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Clean up wicks to comply with the In-Universe Examples Only restriction. Progress is being tracked with the Pet Peeve Trope Wick Cleaning sandbox.
Populate the on-page example section by crosswicking wicks that comply with the In-Universe Examples Only restriction.

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It came to my attention in an Ask The Tropers query that Pet-Peeve Trope is No On-Page Examples instead of a Definition-Only Page, and I think allowing examples from audiences would result in Troper Tales-like examples (aside from examples on profile pages). However, making it In-Universe Examples Only was also suggested, and it turns out that most wicks are already in-universe. I don't have a strong opinion on whether we make this IUEO or definition-only, but I'm leaning toward the former, and I'm against allowing Audience Reactions on YMMV pages (though examples on tropers' profile pages could stay).

37/50 are in-universe examples.
1/50 is an audience reaction.
12/50 are miscellaneous wicks instead of examples, such as wicks in descriptions or indexes.

Wick check here.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Oct 11th 2022 at 4:59:38 AM

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#26: Oct 12th 2022 at 5:53:18 AM

Saw a couple pages doing subbulleted tropes, so how are we going about those that are also ZCE? Do we lump those into a subbullet while reworking the subbulleted tropes with context?

Also, for wicks involving a work's creator's pet peeves, they would fit better as examples for the creator's page (if it exists), right? I was thinking about that when dealing with some wicks.

Edited by Berrenta on Oct 12th 2022 at 10:17:08 AM

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#27: Oct 12th 2022 at 8:19:36 AM

I'd say yes to both. In particular, when I crosswicked examples I ended up with for the wick check, I put examples of creators' pet peeves in a Real Life folder instead of a folder for the medium of a work they made.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Oct 12th 2022 at 10:21:10 AM

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#28: Oct 13th 2022 at 2:07:59 AM

Archiving the wick check since wick cleanup probably won't take long:

37/50 are in-universe examples.
1/50 is an audience reaction.
12/50 are miscellaneous wicks instead of examples, such as wicks in descriptions or indexes.

Wick check for Pet-Peeve Trope to see if it should be moved to In-Universe Examples Only or Definition-Only Pages instead of No On-Page Examples.

Checked: 50/50

Creator Reactions and Other In-Universe Reactions

Air Quotes: George Carlin said this was a Pet-Peeve Trope of his during a standup routine. Covers a reaction from a creator instead of the audience.
Barbaric Bully: The Nostalgia Critic finds this In-Universe to be a Pet-Peeve Trope, partly because the bullies tend to be so one-dimensional, and partly because they never seem to be having fun with their bullying (just doing it because they're evil). Covers a reaction from a work instead of the audience.
Floating Platforms: Ironically, this is a Pet-Peeve Trope for Shigeru Miyamoto, who once stated in an interview that he still has some issues with floating platforms, due to the lack of any real logic behind them. He then said that he pretends that they are attached to the background in the 2D games. Covers a reaction from a creator instead of the audience.
Four-Point Scale: The titular host of The Angry Joe Show states this is a Pet-Peeve Trope of his. The "Angry Reviews", "Extended Review Discussions" and "Rapid Fire Reviews" have all used just about every number on the 1-10 scale (whole numbers only with no decimals). According to Joe and his team, a 5/10 is their flat average, with reviews for video games building towards the team justifying a higher or lower score. For instance, a 3/10 to Joe will have some decent points, yet he'll detail the negatives and why it's ultimately not worth recommending to his audience; conversely, Joe will preach for a 9/10, but explain why it falls short of a 10/10. Still, there are some examples in the show's history where the trope is Played With. Covers a reaction from a work instead of the audience.
Highly-Visible Ninja: This is a Pet-Peeve Trope for Gaijin Goombah. In discussing who is the best video game ninja, the likes of Ryu Hayabusa and Strider reduce him to Angrish and the lead character of Mark of the Ninja turns him into The Knights Who Say "Squee!". Covers a reaction from a work instead of the audience.
Saving Christmas: The author of Springhole seems to really hate this trope as they listed it on a list of Christmas Tropes that "need to die". Covers a reaction from a work instead of the audience.
CatchPhrase.Web Original: Describing the outcome of the "liar revealed" plot as "moping and doping". Covers a reaction from a work instead of the audience.
Characters.Overly Sarcastic Productions: The Anti-Nihilist: Discussed. She has proven to be this, believing that Hope Springs Eternal and that it's necessary for the human condition. In her Trope Talk video on grimdark, Red even admits that her pet peeve is pessimism, and she hates any story that paints hope as childish as a general rule of thumb. As a creator who studies history, she knows that society doesn't always stay the same and the idea of an afterlife is too interpretive to give a concrete answer. Red believes that hope is a good thing and necessary for society's progression. Covers a reaction from a work instead of the audience.
Characters.Some Callme Johnny: Difficulty Spike, or rather, any game that exponentially increases challenge, as mentioned at the end of Cave Story. Covers a reaction from a work instead of the audience.
Funny.Somecallme Johnny VS The World Page 1: While discussing the worlds, Johnny decides that Sky Land was given its name because the developers were running out of time, and Ice Land is summed up as "Ice Land is slippery; fuck this world." Covers a reaction from a work instead of the audience.
LetsPlay.Pink Kitty Rose: In-Universe: Real Is Brown and most female fanservice tropes. Covers a reaction from a work instead of the audience.
LetsPlay.Raocow: Again, invoked. All of these cover reactions from a work instead of the audience.
- He is not a fan of bridge-building segments. In one video he says that the only videogame task he dislikes as much as bridge-building is taking care of a pony, "because, seriously, if I'm going to take care of an equine, it might as well be a full-grown horse".
- He's not too fond of stair-making, either.
- He also seems to strongly dislike elevator sections.
- He also does not like puzzles that consist of "find item here, backtrack to previous place, get new item, backtrack again" and so on.
- He dislikes levels with wind that blows you backward.
- He loathes bullet generators.
- Bosses that have to have objects thrown at them to be defeated. He admits as such in MaGL X that he's terrible at throwing.
Manga.Death Note: Death Is Cheap: Intentionally averted by Ohba who felt that this trope had been overused in other manga but played straight in the pilot chapter with the addition of the death eraser. Covers a reaction from a work instead of the audience.
Music.MC Frontalot: List Song: Several (For example: Pr0n Song), although he mentions that they're actually a Pet-Peeve Trope of his. Covers a reaction from a work instead of the audience.
Series.Lewis: Grammar Nazi: Hathaway's pet peeve, to the extent that he even gets Lewis noting apostrophe misuse around town. Covers a reaction from a work instead of the audience.
TheNostalgiaCritic.Tropes O To S Pet-Peeve Trope: invokedNot up to Berserk Button levels, but he always points out when kidnapped people are far too relaxed in their situation when they should be at least afraid. These comments tend to be foreshadowing Hyper making an appearance in the next episode so it'd make sense for Critic to be irritated about, but it annoys Doug in his own vlogs too. Covers a reaction from a work instead of the audience.
ToddInTheShadows.N To P: All in-universe. All of these cover reactions from a work instead of the audience.
- Double Standard: Abuse, Female on Male: Particularly if it's Beyonce-on-male, but Todd in general doesn't like the idea that women are "allowed" to get away with abusing their male partners.
- Clark Kenting: People's inability to recognize the obvious fact that Hannah Montana is Miley in a wig drives Todd up the wall. Todd even references Clark Kent and Christopher Reeve's performance of the character.
- Domestic Abuse: He struggled to avoid making this the focal point of his review of "I Can Transform Ya", although he doesn't let what Chris Brown did to Rihanna ever pass by without commenting on it.
- Songs that take place In Da Club. Todd feels that there's very little variations to these kinds of songs, and that a song has to be very good in order for him to let this side. He does like ironic club songs that spin the scene into something empty or depressing, however.
- Child Popstar: Not only does Todd consider such pop stars in general to be not very good, he feels like the music industry is consistently abusing young talent.
  One crisis at a time, Todd...
- Lyrics/Video Mismatch: He'll not only point it out, but it will be the focus of a good part of his reviews if the music video is especially egregious with not matching the lyrics.
- Painful Rhyme: Forms the basis of his Running Gag: "Finish the Rhyme!"
  - Notably, he used one of these to highlight the Date Rape implications in Robin Thicke's "Blurred Lines". When he came across the lyric "what rhymes with 'hug me'?", he pointed out that "fuck me", the obvious answer in a song like this, didn't rhyme... but "drug me" did.
- Rhyming with Itself: Annoys him quite a bit, as he considers it lazy.
- Scatting: Any excessive parts of inane singing. Not the case for Scatman John, however, whose rapid jazz scatting elicits respect from Todd. Also, background vocals singing "HEY!" or "OH!".
  Todd: Hip hop! Stop. Shouting. Ohhh.
- The Four Chords of Pop: While the chords are popular for a reason, he considers such chords to be creatively bankrupt.
- Lyrical Shoehorn: With Train being the greatest offender.
- When choruses in party/love songs end with the word "tonight".
- Music Is Politics:invoked In the Trainwreckords episodes on Liz Phair's Funstyle and Metallica's St. Anger, Todd mentions that he loathes anti-music-industry rants from successful artists, considering it the bottom of the barrel in terms of creativity.
Trivia.Sadala Chronicles The Saiyan And The Devils Fruit: The line "she may be a girl" was going to be added into the text, but was scrapped as it's a Pet-Peeve Trope of the author. Covers a reaction from a creator instead of the audience.
WebAnimation.Extra Credits: Warts and All: Their even-handed video on John W. Campbell. On the one hand, a talented writer and editor who almost single-handedly dragged the genre into the Golden Age, with his exacting standards for science and writing quality and his desire to make it into something meaningful beyond pulpy escapism or a dry vehicle to educate, who pushed forward the careers of many of the science fiction's greatest early masters. On the other hand, a narrow-minded reactionary, authoritarian bigot, frequently enthralled by pseudoscience, who, by using his influence to limit what could and could not be published, based on his personal vision and private bugbears, put arbitrary limits on what science fiction was or could be that the next generation of authors would need to outgrow. Covers a reaction from a work instead of the audience.
WebAnimation.Overly Sarcastic Productions: Downtime Downgrade: Discussed in both of Red's videos on romantic subplots and sequels. Red makes it very clear that she really, really dislikes this trope, arguing that splitting up an Official Couple between sequels or installments makes it seem like writers are afraid to write characters in a relationship. Red especially dislikes it when a writer makes the characters undergo the Will They or Won't They? dance all over again after they've canonically hooked up and split apart, saying that it just feels cheap.invoked Covers a reaction from a work instead of the audience.
WebVideo.Familiar Faces: Merchandise-Driven: This is a Pet-Peeve Trope for Chad. A key reason why he hates Ben 10: Alien Force and Ben 10: Ultimate Alien as well as the reason he can't enjoy Generator Rex, fearing it'll get the same treatment given that it was from the same producers of the original Ben 10. Covers a reaction from a work instead of the audience.
WebVideo.Jesu Otaku: invoked Forced drama, Moe pandering, Ecchi, "Exactly like the Japanese version" dubs, shoddy endings, Gorn, and flat-out wasting the potential of your premise. Covers a reaction from a work instead of the audience.
WebVideo.Movie Rehab: All of these cover reactions from a work instead of the audience.
- Please Subscribe to Our Channel: Jack Skyblue is not a fan of people doing that.
- Butt-Monkey: Judging from his review to Being John Malkovich, he really seems to hate this trope or at least the way it's executedinvoked.
WebVideo.Outside Xbox: What the Hell Is That Accent?: A Pet-Peeve Trope for the cast is when actors in games do shoddy accents, especially Fake Brits. Makes sense, since they're actually English themselves. Covers a reaction from a work instead of the audience.
WebVideo.Princess Tutu Abridged: Fakir: Enough already! That is the worst accent I have ever heard. It's hammy, it's annoying, and it's driving me over the edge, you stupid crow! Covers a reaction from a work instead of the audience.
WebVideo.Shadow Streak: He admits in his "Save The Date" review, that size changing tropes are Nausea Fuel for him, though he isn't sure why. Despite this, "Save The Date" still managed to be one of his more positive reviews of the series. Covers a reaction from a work instead of the audience.
WebVideo.The Dom Reviews: Belligerent Sexual Tension: invoked Dominic discusses how he considers this a Pet-Peeve Trope of his, because he sees it as an unrealistic representation of actual relationships at best and actively encouraging toxic ideas about love and romance at worst. If a story uses jealousy or bickering as a sign of romantic spark, he can be relied upon to point it out and complain about it. Covers a reaction from a work instead of the audience.
WebVideo.Vampire Reviews: The trope she really seems to loathe is the All-Loving Hero / Messianic Archetype. Covers a reaction from a work instead of the audience.
WebVideo.What We Had To Watch: Easily Forgiven: In regard to Jim forgiving Silver in Treasure Planet despite the latter betraying him, Il Neige himself took issue with how happy this ending came off in comparison to the more Bittersweet Ending in the source material and other adaptations, like Muppet Treasure Island. Covers a reaction from a work instead of the audience.
Webcomic.The Cartoon Chronicles Of Conroy Cat: In-Universe: If there's one thing Doggy hates the most about today's cartoons, it's Totally Cool Dudes. Ironically, Doggy sheepishly reveals that he went through a Totally Radical phase in the review of The Looney Tunes Show. Covers a reaction from a work instead of the audience.
YMMV.Counter Monkey: All of these cover reactions from a work instead of the audience, though they're on the wrong page.
- Spoony is obviously no fan of Villain Protagonists, feeling that they're usually created an excuse for player(s) to act like violent, psychopathic assholes and disrupt the game For the Lulz. He devoted one whole video ("So You Want to Be Evil") to shooting down the concept^noteThough he says he's be okay with Evil characters who still have a conscience, spends portions of several Vampire: The Masquerade videos complaining about how the current World of Darkness setting practically forces you to play a completely unsympathetic character, and of course "Shadowrun: The Code" is all about him taking his revenge on a party who went kill- and torture-happy for no good reason.
  - To a more general extent, he has difficultly putting up with the Chaotic Neutral alignment altogether because people tend to abuse it as the "do anything they want" alignment without dipping into the "evil" categories. He even admits to turning down one player's character of said alignment, even though it was very well made and appropriate for said alignment... even though he follows up with stating that, like most Chaotic Neutrals, said character really had no motivation to join an adventuring party.
- He also hates the attempts to add balance and prevent death later editions of ''Dungeons and Dragons" put forth, feeling that making things too easy takes away from the accomplishment of actually getting a high-level character.
- Munchkins and Min-Maxing. Spoony feels like an interesting, flawed backstory makes a great character, not high stats. He even has a book for using 3d6 dice rolls to determine a character's backstory and flaws virtually at random. He even notes, the few times a player got undesirable rolls from that book, Spoony told the player they didn't have to keep it. The players inevitably chose to keep the bad rolls anyway, since it got their wheels turning.
YMMV.Death Note: The second arc too long for many. It's ironic as the series was written specifically to span 108 chapters, partly as a Take That! toward Arc Fatigue which Tsugumi Ohba identifies as a Pet-Peeve Trope. Covers a reaction from a creator instead of the audience.
YMMV.Oney Plays: They love making fun of the Not Afraid of You Anymore trope, especially if a character in whatever they're playing says it word-for-word. Covers a reaction from a work instead of the audience, but it's on the wrong page.
YMMV.Sonic Dissected: All of these cover reactions from a work instead of the audience, but they're on the wrong page.
- Breaking the Fourth Wall, for Roger, since he feels it cheapens both the humor and the story with the characters being aware they are fictional.
- Roger also takes offense with Post-Unleashed Sonic's over-reliance on Non Sequitur based Surreal Humor with him especially hating the over-reliance on random food puns and Inherently Funny Words. He often finds that it's relied on so much that it makes the writing resemble something made for babies rather than the more general audience that Sonic is ostensibly supposed to be made for.
- Roger has avoided reading the Sonic comic books because he personally dislikes serial storytelling in comic books, much prefering self-conclusive stories.
YMMV.Storm Dain Productions: People asking for subscribers and sub-for-subs, which he shows great disdain when annotations were introduced to YouTube because of the potential of people using them to easily ask for subs without effort. Covers a reaction from a work instead of the audience, but it's on the wrong page.
YMMV.TB Skyen: All of these cover reactions from a work instead of the audience, but they're on the wrong page.
- Goes on a bit of a rant about You Dirty Rat! in the Royal Rat Authority & Vanguard Boss Designs episode, since he keeps pet rats and knows that they're actually pretty fastidious.
- He also has a chip on his shoulder regarding Horny Vikings, seeing it both as unrealistic (an enemy could grab your horns and pull of the helmet or pull you to the ground) and because it's a stereotype of vikings, from whom Skyen is descended.
YMMV.The Witcher Game Of Imagination: The authors have: Armor Is Useless, Shields Are Useless, Linear Warriors, Quadratic Wizards, and Good Is Dumb. Especially Shields Are Useless. The entire game mechanics and setting are aimed at averting those tropes. Covers a reaction from creators instead of the audience, but it's on the wrong page.

Audience Reactions

Dreaming of Things to Come: Some of the stories in the Pokéumans community involve the protaganist having a dream about being the species they would later become. (This is somewhat of a Pet-Peeve Trope in the community.) I'm pretty sure this is natter (of the parabombing type), especially since it's a YMMV wick on a non-YMMV page.

Other

Audience Reactions: A trope that audiences despise. Index entry.
Death by Genre Savviness: This can become irritating or implausible, especially if it comes across as just a cheap shot to prove how "unstoppable" the killer is supposed to be. Compare Death by Pragmatism, where simply being sensible gets you killed, and The World's Expert (on Getting Killed), where the guy who has in-depth knowledge on the nature of the threat and how to effectively fight it off manages to get killed by it anyways. See also Wrong Genre Savvy. Above-the-line wick.
Diabolus ex Machina: The Diabolus ex Machina, while a very common Pet-Peeve Trope when used for a Downer Ending, can be pulled off — see the entire "Rule of X" series of tropes. Above-the-line wick.
Discredited Trope: Over the course of time, a trope may be overused, misused, opposed, made obsolete, out of fashion, subverted or deconstructed on many notable occasions, or just end up being widely disliked. Eventually, a trope may reach the point where it becomes one which no writer should dare use seriously outside of period pieces, though can still be played with in parody, satire, homage or pastiche. Often, if one of these is used straight, people will assume it's a Red Herring, and react with annoyance or disdain when it isn't. Above-the-line wick.
Experimented in College: Maybe it's because young people are living independent of their parents, maybe it's the abundance of booze and parties, or the existence of sororities and fraternities that commonly only allow one gender to join, but it's assumed that when a young adult goes to college, they likely experimented sexually with the same gender. While it's usually played for titillation purposes when done with women, this trope can also apply to guys as well. It's often a Pet-Peeve Trope for anyone queer. Above-the-line wick.
The Freelance Shame Squad: Thankfully, this is usually not Truth in Television, as in reality most onlookers will react with either confusion, surprise, annoyance or just plain indifference when seeing someone else's faux pas. However, fear of this trope certainly exists in the minds of young people everywhere. This trope shares a bunk with No Sympathy, and like that, it's a trope that tends to really get on people's nerves. See also Embarrassed by a Child, Humiliation Conga, and Instant Humiliation: Just Add YouTube!. Above-the-line wick.
Administrivia.No On Page Examples: Too common, too YMMV. Index entry.
Nl.Trope In Diskrediet Naarmate de tijd verstrijkt kan een trope vele malen te veel gebruikt, misbruikt, genegeerd, ouderwets, ondermijnd, ontleed of overbodig gemaakt worden. Soms gebeurt het dat niemand de trope meer leuk vindt. Een trope kan gaandeweg het punt bereiken waarop geen enkele schrijver het meer serieus durft te gebruiken, hoewel hij nog wel ingezet wordt als parodie, satire, hommage of pastiche. Als een van deze tropes wel letterlijk wordt gebruikt, wordt over het algemeen aangenomen dat het een Red Herring is. Wanneer dat niet het geval blijkt te zijn is de algemene respons meestal niet bepaald positief. Above-the-line wick. (Note: I don't speak Dutch.)
Pantheon.Fanbase: Portfolio: Ax-Crazy, obsessed with the novel Misery and Paul himself to the point of kidnapping him, does not like profanity, Big Bad, Crazy-Prepared, uses incredibly weird substitutes for swear words, Faux Affably Evil, Bad Samaritan, hates any kind of Cliffhanger Copout, Deus ex Machina or Retcon, Serial Killer who kills babies, extremely unstable, Large Ham, Battleaxe Nurse, The Sociopath, Psychopathic Manchild Pantheon wick.
PlayingWith.If You Kill Him You Will Be Just Like Him: Conversed: "Eeeh, I'm long since fed up with how one hero goes rantin' about "don't kill him or you gonna be like him" on the other hero. It's so annoying! If I were Bob, I'd just kill the bastard already!" Playing With subpage wick.
Quote Source.Buffyverse: Index entry.
TheProblemWithPenIsland.N To Z: Pet Pee Vet Rope (Are you a vet bothered by animals with Urine Trouble? No problem! Just pull this rope and watch that pee disappear!) Just for Fun subpage.

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#29: Oct 13th 2022 at 6:20:18 AM

Locking up since there wasn't much to go through.

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