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Wick Check at Buxom Fit Check.

Buxom Is Better was meant to be for In-Universe examples of people having a preference for someone because of their large chest. However, it has become a Pot Hole Magnet for tropers who find large-chested characters attractive. This has resulted in misuse and ZCE.

  • Correct use: 50%
  • One-handed pothole: 32%
  • Other ZCE and Misuse: 14%
  • Both Correct use and Misuse: 4%

I believe this has arisen from the trope name, as it treats an opinion as fact. If a new name is used, it should be more about the attention a character gets because of their large bust. Something like Bust Focus, Big Bust Focus, or Buxom Beauty Standard.

Wick check:

Wick check for Buxom Is Better. The trope was meant to be In-Universe Only, but it quickly got misused as a Pot Hole for tropers who found large-chested characters attractive. Basically it has the same problem Absolute Cleavage had.

I believe part of the problem is the name: it states an opinion as fact. The trope could be renamed to Bust Focus or Big Bust Focus like how Shes Got Legs was renamed to Leg Focus. This way, the In-Universe aspect is more apparent in the title.

Wicks checked: 50/50

    Correct use per trope page's description (25/50, 50%) 
From the Laconic: When characters in a work view having large breasts as an attractive feature. The character must be percieved as more attractive because of this feature.
  • Britsune Garden
    • Feeling Their Age: In Chapter 5 Lilie starts to feel back pain as she took a stretch. Malorie whispers to the other characters that more of her old age is kicking in and that it’s because of those huge knockers of hers. She's seen as less attractive because of her chest, Inverted
    • Silver Vixen: Queen Lilie herself. Despite being elderly, she is described as and appears to have a curvy and busty figure, in official artwork and narrations of this story. Especially the busty part, which is usually intended for suggestively comedic purposes. Pot Hole
  • Philomena:
  • Yakuza
    • Honey Trap: The player can easily fall for one in "The Price of an D-Cup" substory, where Kiryu rescues a well-endowed woman named Mai from a drunk. She then takes him out for drinks and tries to seduce him with dirty talk. Depending on the choices made, Kiryu might wake up outside with his money stolen, or get into a fight where he can learn about a hidden casino.
  • The Red Ranger Becomes an Adventurer in Another World: She has a very large chest that leaves Teltina envious. Might be better as A-Cup Angst for the other character
  • Almost Live!: Played with in a man-on-the-street sketch where they asked people which they liked better: normal breasts or sudden Gag Boobs.
  • Toku Hou
  • Recap/Monty Pythons Flying Circus S 1 E 9: Brian Equator sees Iris (Carol Cleveland) at the party and says "You've got a nice pair, haven't you?"
  • Maken Ki Protagonists
  • The Truth
    • One True Threesome: William x Sacharissa x Otto is particularly popular in the fanbase. William and Sacharissa are classic Will They or Won't They? leads, and while they agree to be Just Friends the ending leaves open the possibility for more, with later books hinting at their eventual marriage. Meanwhile, Otto is friendly with Sacharissa and tempted to fall off the wagon at the sight of her 'heaving bosom', and he spends much of the book befriending William and helping him face his own prejudices.
  • Comic Book/Manifest: Tessa briefly agonizes over her huge breasts before accepting her figure as "kind of hot." Multiple male characters are seen to appreciate them too. Better as D-Cup Distress but still used correctly
  • Sense: A Cyberpunk Ghost Story: One of the women at the nightclub compliments Mei on her assets.
  • Da Ali G Show: Ali G says to a group of doctors and experts on medical ethics that he heard that some women got their breasts reduced. He thinks it's selfish as it's just one woman getting rid of backache, but pleasure is taken away from numerous men. One really cool doctor (who might have figured out that they were being trolled) politely explains to him that those breasts are grossly enlarged and not attractive. Ali assures him he was talking about nice ones, and the doctor suggests that it's a matter of taste. Ali is impressed and wants to chat about that after.
  • A Certain Dark Railgun and Imagine Breaker:
  • The Demon's Lexicon: Mae, according to Nick's lingering eyeballs.
    • "Thanks. I grew them myself."
    • Also, Sin, who is described as having curves and using them.
  • Pokemon: Shadow of Time
    • Apparently Rocket Admin Ariana has the loyalty of around a third of Team Rocket because they like looking at her rack.
    • Lance finds himself reflecting that Whitney has such huge "tracts of land" he's amazed that her back hasn't given out.
    • Basically defied for Ash's female companions; Misty and Iris are rather put out by their growing breasts, and it's observed that Ash isn't that bothered about their size in that regard anyway. D-Cup Distress would be a better fit
  • Strawberry Vinegar: Licia tells Rie it wouldn't be all that nice bathing with her anyways since she's not "cushiony" like her older sisters, which upsets Rie.
  • Pride and Prejudice: Austen describes her as "a stout, well-grown girl of fifteen". Note "well-grown" as a euphemism. I'd add that well-grown is a euphemism for large breasts
  • Dagashi Kashi: Kokonotsu, at least according to his father, has a thing for large breasts. Which partially explains his attraction to Hotaru.
  • Fan Works
  • Dragon Quest: Your Story: Invoked note  by Bianca, when Luca tells her he refused the hand of Nera for the sake of another woman, prompting her to misunderstand and asks him if he fell for the first Brainless Beauty with a nice rack he ran into.
  • Shining Resonance
    • One skit has Primula say she hopes she gets boobs like Sonia's, when she gets older, so she can get back at Rapple for making fun of her "pancakes".
  • Trapped In A Dating Sim The World Of Otome Games Is Tough For Mobs Marie Route
  • Love and Rockets: This trope gets Played With many different ways throughout the series. Luba's breasts are enormous. So are those belonging to most of her female relatives, especially her mother Maria and half-sisters Fritz and Petra. Their huge busts are constantly commented on by others and are a very integral part of the character arcs of Luba, Maria, and the rest of the girls in the family. The attention they receive runs the realistic gamut from fascinated and aroused men, disgusted men with a preference for thinner women, and jealous women who call them names like "blimp-chest." Luba in particular has complained that her build makes people automatically assume that she's a whore.
  • NotAlwaysRight: According to these customers, it is, to the point where the employee's C-cupsnote  are "tiny" to them. Correct use, but depending on the country a C cup can be average or below average
  • Webcomic/Pusonicomi:
    • Ambiguously Bi: Although Tetra and Mitrarashi are male and female in real life respectively, Mitarashi is the one seen being a pervert most often, at one point giving herself massively increased breasts after a Salon visit and occasionally making lewd remarks and Imagine Spots toward Tetra's character. She is also seen having romantic fantasies about Dolche, who is a female CAST.
    One-handed Pot Hole (16/Total, 32%) 
Pot Hole that is just a troper thinking a character is more attractive because of their large chest. A specific type of ZCE
    Other ZCE and Unclear use (7/50, 14%) 
    Both Correct Use and Misuse (2/50, 4%) 

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 14th 2023 at 9:40:47 AM

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#1: Jan 7th 2023 at 7:37:43 AM

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    Original post 
NOTE: The following OP was written by President Brit. Please give credit to them.


Wick Check at Buxom Fit Check.

Buxom Is Better was meant to be for In-Universe examples of people having a preference for someone because of their large chest. However, it has become a Pot Hole Magnet for tropers who find large-chested characters attractive. This has resulted in misuse and ZCE.

  • Correct use: 50%
  • One-handed pothole: 32%
  • Other ZCE and Misuse: 14%
  • Both Correct use and Misuse: 4%

I believe this has arisen from the trope name, as it treats an opinion as fact. If a new name is used, it should be more about the attention a character gets because of their large bust. Something like Bust Focus, Big Bust Focus, or Buxom Beauty Standard.

Wick check:

Wick check for Buxom Is Better. The trope was meant to be In-Universe Only, but it quickly got misused as a Pot Hole for tropers who found large-chested characters attractive. Basically it has the same problem Absolute Cleavage had.

I believe part of the problem is the name: it states an opinion as fact. The trope could be renamed to Bust Focus or Big Bust Focus like how Shes Got Legs was renamed to Leg Focus. This way, the In-Universe aspect is more apparent in the title.

Wicks checked: 50/50

    Correct use per trope page's description (25/50, 50%) 
From the Laconic: When characters in a work view having large breasts as an attractive feature. The character must be percieved as more attractive because of this feature.
  • Britsune Garden
    • Feeling Their Age: In Chapter 5 Lilie starts to feel back pain as she took a stretch. Malorie whispers to the other characters that more of her old age is kicking in and that it’s because of those huge knockers of hers. She's seen as less attractive because of her chest, Inverted
    • Silver Vixen: Queen Lilie herself. Despite being elderly, she is described as and appears to have a curvy and busty figure, in official artwork and narrations of this story. Especially the busty part, which is usually intended for suggestively comedic purposes. Pot Hole
  • Philomena:
  • Yakuza
    • Honey Trap: The player can easily fall for one in "The Price of an D-Cup" substory, where Kiryu rescues a well-endowed woman named Mai from a drunk. She then takes him out for drinks and tries to seduce him with dirty talk. Depending on the choices made, Kiryu might wake up outside with his money stolen, or get into a fight where he can learn about a hidden casino.
  • The Red Ranger Becomes an Adventurer in Another World: She has a very large chest that leaves Teltina envious. Might be better as A-Cup Angst for the other character
  • Almost Live!: Played with in a man-on-the-street sketch where they asked people which they liked better: normal breasts or sudden Gag Boobs.
  • Toku Hou
  • Recap/Monty Pythons Flying Circus S 1 E 9: Brian Equator sees Iris (Carol Cleveland) at the party and says "You've got a nice pair, haven't you?"
  • Maken Ki Protagonists
  • The Truth
    • One True Threesome: William x Sacharissa x Otto is particularly popular in the fanbase. William and Sacharissa are classic Will They or Won't They? leads, and while they agree to be Just Friends the ending leaves open the possibility for more, with later books hinting at their eventual marriage. Meanwhile, Otto is friendly with Sacharissa and tempted to fall off the wagon at the sight of her 'heaving bosom', and he spends much of the book befriending William and helping him face his own prejudices.
  • Comic Book/Manifest: Tessa briefly agonizes over her huge breasts before accepting her figure as "kind of hot." Multiple male characters are seen to appreciate them too. Better as D-Cup Distress but still used correctly
  • Sense: A Cyberpunk Ghost Story: One of the women at the nightclub compliments Mei on her assets.
  • Da Ali G Show: Ali G says to a group of doctors and experts on medical ethics that he heard that some women got their breasts reduced. He thinks it's selfish as it's just one woman getting rid of backache, but pleasure is taken away from numerous men. One really cool doctor (who might have figured out that they were being trolled) politely explains to him that those breasts are grossly enlarged and not attractive. Ali assures him he was talking about nice ones, and the doctor suggests that it's a matter of taste. Ali is impressed and wants to chat about that after.
  • A Certain Dark Railgun and Imagine Breaker:
  • The Demon's Lexicon: Mae, according to Nick's lingering eyeballs.
    • "Thanks. I grew them myself."
    • Also, Sin, who is described as having curves and using them.
  • Pokemon: Shadow of Time
    • Apparently Rocket Admin Ariana has the loyalty of around a third of Team Rocket because they like looking at her rack.
    • Lance finds himself reflecting that Whitney has such huge "tracts of land" he's amazed that her back hasn't given out.
    • Basically defied for Ash's female companions; Misty and Iris are rather put out by their growing breasts, and it's observed that Ash isn't that bothered about their size in that regard anyway. D-Cup Distress would be a better fit
  • Strawberry Vinegar: Licia tells Rie it wouldn't be all that nice bathing with her anyways since she's not "cushiony" like her older sisters, which upsets Rie.
  • Pride and Prejudice: Austen describes her as "a stout, well-grown girl of fifteen". Note "well-grown" as a euphemism. I'd add that well-grown is a euphemism for large breasts
  • Dagashi Kashi: Kokonotsu, at least according to his father, has a thing for large breasts. Which partially explains his attraction to Hotaru.
  • Fan Works
  • Dragon Quest: Your Story: Invoked note  by Bianca, when Luca tells her he refused the hand of Nera for the sake of another woman, prompting her to misunderstand and asks him if he fell for the first Brainless Beauty with a nice rack he ran into.
  • Shining Resonance
    • One skit has Primula say she hopes she gets boobs like Sonia's, when she gets older, so she can get back at Rapple for making fun of her "pancakes".
  • Trapped In A Dating Sim The World Of Otome Games Is Tough For Mobs Marie Route
  • Love and Rockets: This trope gets Played With many different ways throughout the series. Luba's breasts are enormous. So are those belonging to most of her female relatives, especially her mother Maria and half-sisters Fritz and Petra. Their huge busts are constantly commented on by others and are a very integral part of the character arcs of Luba, Maria, and the rest of the girls in the family. The attention they receive runs the realistic gamut from fascinated and aroused men, disgusted men with a preference for thinner women, and jealous women who call them names like "blimp-chest." Luba in particular has complained that her build makes people automatically assume that she's a whore.
  • NotAlwaysRight: According to these customers, it is, to the point where the employee's C-cupsnote  are "tiny" to them. Correct use, but depending on the country a C cup can be average or below average
  • Webcomic/Pusonicomi:
    • Ambiguously Bi: Although Tetra and Mitrarashi are male and female in real life respectively, Mitarashi is the one seen being a pervert most often, at one point giving herself massively increased breasts after a Salon visit and occasionally making lewd remarks and Imagine Spots toward Tetra's character. She is also seen having romantic fantasies about Dolche, who is a female CAST.
    One-handed Pot Hole (16/Total, 32%) 
Pot Hole that is just a troper thinking a character is more attractive because of their large chest. A specific type of ZCE
    Other ZCE and Unclear use (7/50, 14%) 
    Both Correct Use and Misuse (2/50, 4%) 

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 14th 2023 at 9:40:47 AM

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#3: Jan 7th 2023 at 7:38:39 AM

EDIT: Disregard this duplicate post. Sorry for too many pings!

Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Jan 7th 2023 at 10:38:55 AM

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#4: Jan 7th 2023 at 7:46:54 AM

Rename, but I've thought the trope is about male characters having a preference, the "focus" names sound like Male Gaze.

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#5: Jan 7th 2023 at 7:49:57 AM

Prefers Buxom Women? (was trying to find something gender neutral but nothing came to mind)

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#6: Jan 7th 2023 at 9:00:55 AM

[up][up][up]I'm OK with the pings, it's preferable to not getting any pings at all!

Of the three names I suggested in the OP, I prefer Buxom Beauty Standard as it would cover straight women who think bigger boobs are more attractive, and people that think they'd be more attractive with larger boobs due to societal beauty standards.

Edited by PresidentBrit on Jan 7th 2023 at 5:05:13 PM

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#7: Jan 7th 2023 at 9:07:38 AM

Also reminding that Big-Breast Pride exists, so avoiding naming overlap would be preferable.

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#8: Jan 7th 2023 at 9:26:40 AM

is this about a single character having a preference towards busty chicks or about men in general having a preference for busty chicks?

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#10: Jan 7th 2023 at 10:06:19 AM

[up][up]It's about the In-Universe belief that big boobs make someone more attractive. Personally, I'd say both.

Edited by PresidentBrit on Jan 7th 2023 at 6:06:50 PM

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#12: Jan 7th 2023 at 10:20:34 AM

I do like the Buxom Beauty Standard name, I feel it really sells the idea of what the trope should be. Not sure about the Big-Breast Pride overlap, it feels inevitable. I always felt Big-Breast Pride should be a subtrope to this one rather than just being related.

Edited by BlackMage43 on Jan 7th 2023 at 10:22:23 AM

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#14: Jan 7th 2023 at 1:12:53 PM

^ If it's about large boobs making a girl attractive/is the beauty standard In-Universe, then it's not a subtrope, ig.

Fortunately, it has much more correct use than misuse. [tup] to renaming to Buxom Beauty Standard.

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#19: Jan 8th 2023 at 12:22:31 AM

Rename. I'll go through the names later.

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#20: Jan 10th 2023 at 1:52:08 AM

Calling in favor of renaming.

Do we have any name options other than what was given already?

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#21: Jan 11th 2023 at 3:07:14 AM

Hooked a crowner for know. Let me know if anything was missed.

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#22: Jan 14th 2023 at 7:30:37 AM

Calling in favor of Buxom Beauty Standard. I'll move the page.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 14th 2023 at 9:33:15 AM

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#23: Jan 16th 2023 at 9:26:46 AM

Permission to turn

"The logical opposite to A-Cup Angst, D-Cup Distress, and Petite Pride (though in different ways)"

into

"The logical opposite to D-Cup Distress and Petite Pride (though in different ways). A common cause of A-Cup Angst." ?

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#24: Jan 16th 2023 at 10:11:49 AM

[up]I changed it. Good catch.

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#25: Jan 17th 2023 at 4:34:43 AM

Will someone be able to remove the ghost Wick from Celebrity Juice for me? I tried to submit it to the cutlist but it hasn't appeared.

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Consensus was to rename Buxom Is Better due to misuse. What should the trope's new name be?

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