Discussion DarthWiki / FallenCreator

I'm surprised Kanye West hasn't been added to this page yet.

Would The Black Eyed Peas be a worthy addition? Their first two albums are considered cult classics of the (non-Gangsta Rap) 90's hip-hop scene, but then they slowly became pop-oriented, and eventually, more machines than men. An attempt at Revisiting the Roots went almost completely unnoticed, and they immediately went to (of all places) reggaeton. Plus, they already have a quote on the Quotes page.

Given the caveats in the entry, I am not so sure that this creator is still a Fallen creator:

• Sonic Team rose to success thanks to Sonic the Hedgehog, which was the only real challenge to Mario's domination of platform games in the 1990s, only for that success to come crashing down after Sonic went 3D. The two Sonic Adventure games were seen as worthy additions to the series despite being plagued by fundamental problems, but Sonic Heroes was divisive, and the one-two punch of Shadow the Hedgehog and Sonic the Hedgehog (2006) wrecked Sonic Team's reputation. It also didn't help that the studio couldn't seem to resist shoehorning weird gimmicks into gameplay.^note Some reviewers believe that Sonic Unleashed would've been the return to form Sonic needed if it weren't for the Werehog gameplay. Sonic Team appeared to come out of this status in the 2010s with Sonic Colors and Sonic Generations seeing success critically and commercially, before Sonic Lost World and especially Sonic Forces put them back into Fallen Creator territory. The success of Sonic Frontiers has suggested a hopeful future, but it is unknown if this will stick.

I wonder if Terry Gilliam would be a worthy addition to this page? He's made a lot of incredible films, but most of his recent output was panned and/or forgotten, and he's best known for going on racist and transphobic rants nowadays.

Was reading over the music section and I'm surprised to see that Phil Spector wasn't present on it. Given how him being a convicted murderer now overshadows any achievements he made as a producer and that he died in prison, there isn't much reason not to add him, I'd say.

We might want to rewrite some sections concerning Yuji Naka and John Kricfalusi:

• The former's entry does not mention his 2022 arrest on charges of insider trading.

• The latter's entry implies that Ren & Stimpy "Adult Party Cartoon" was positively received - when all evidence points to it being negatively received.

A rewrite of the Sonic Team example, and a new example for Sonic Team's former director Yuji Naka.

• Sonic Team used to be a worldwide icon and the only real challenge to Mario's domination of platform games, with the Sega Genesis entries still being considered all-timers. However, Sonic Team's reputation became a lot more checkered with Sonic's transition to 3D. Common criticisms of the 3D Sonic games include a bad camera, broken controls, and bizarre stories. While the two Sonic Adventure games are well-liked in spite of their fundamental problems, each successive game was more derided than the last, with Sonic Heroes considered simplistic and cheesy; Shadow the Hedgehog panned for a perceived corny take on a Darker and Edgier tone; and Sonic the Hedgehog (2006) considered the rock bottom of Sonic Team's Sonic output. Another common criticism was that the gameplay became increasingly gimmicky and unfocused — Sonic Unleashed in particular was heavily criticized for the God of War-cloning Werehog levels. While Sonic Team has not recovered their glory from The '90s, their reputation has improved as of the late 2010s, with the releases of Sonic Colors and Sonic Generations winning back a lot of disillusioned fans. However, some of the more acclaimed Sonic titles since the 2010s were externally developed; with Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed being developed by Sumo Digital, and Sonic Mania by a collective of promoted fanboys. Even then, the series' Broken Base remains as fervent as ever, and even the games generally regarded as good have their share of detractors.
• Yuji Naka, Sonic Team's most famous figurehead, was well-regarded for his active involvement in the Genesis-era Sonic games, with his departure from Sega often having been considered the series' breaking point. However, in the early 2020s, Naka lost a lot of respect over several stories of prima donna behavior attributed to him — including angrily shouting at Sega of America then-executive Peter Moore over a focus group presentation; getting a Dreamcast exclusive cancelled by trying to poach its developers into Sonic Team; and openly insulting his co-workers on multiple occasions. After spending a decade and a half with a low profile at his studio Prope, Naka tried a Career Resurrection with the Square Enix-published Balan Wonderworld. Unfortunately, the game was critically mauled for its outdated gameplay, bizarre graphics, and leaving most of the story in a tie-in book. To make matters worse, Balan's development caused an extremely bitter falling out with Naka's only remaining collaborator, Sonic's original character designer Naoto Oshima, going as far as blanking Oshima out of old development pictures. Naka was fired from Square Enix after Balan's failure, and it's unlikely he will regain the gaming public's respect due to his abrasive behavior.

Two examples for Professional Wrestling

• Tammy Lynn Sytch was an extremely popular wrestling manager in The '90s, best remembered under the name 'Sunny'. Although never a wrestler herself, she became famous as one of pro wrestling's first big sex symbols, and is sometimes called 'The Original Diva'. While she didn't appear for a major company after WCW folded in 2001, she maintained a respectable career on the independent circuit and was even inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame in 2011. Unfortunately, the following decade saw everything derailing for her. She was arrested no less than five times in the space of four weeks in 2012, and a sixth the next year. After doing jail time, it would be a succession of DUIs and failed stints in rehab (with a total of seventeen arrests in the 2010s). With her drug and alcohol problems, as well as simple aging, taking a toll on her good looks - she turned to adult entertainment and infamous Skype dates with fans to pay the bills. Not helping matters was her famously rude and outspoken personality - claiming she deserved all the credit for the women in WWE today, a well-documented feud with Sable (another famous primadonna) that made Sunny look like the unreasonable one. She also came under fire for body-shaming the likes of the Bella Twins, making her come across as the worst kind of Small Name, Big Ego who didn't have anything beyond now-faded good looks to back it up. With legal issues still continuing into the 2020s, she's become little more than a punchline, and better known for the controversy surrounding her.
• Sable was huge in the late 90s. A valet to Marc Mero who just appeared at ringside or modelled a few bits of merchandise, her popularity got so explosive WWE revived its women's division just to have her featured more. Although she wasn't a wrestler and had it written into her contract that she couldn't bump, she was given the Women's Championship and became a mainstream success; her shoot for Playboy selling for millions. Once mainstream offers for film and television came, she wanted out of her WWE contract and to keep the rights to the Sable name. WWE wouldn't budge, and she began to play diva behind the scenes; turning down many segment ideas that made it impossible to book a coherent arc, forcing the creative team to communicate through her husband and infamously filing a $142 million sexual harassment lawsuit. By the time she was granted a release from the company, she had made so many enemies that she was frequently trash-talked in interviews, and her no-compete clause in her contract meant she couldn't work for WCW in any capacity. Aside from a handful of minor film and television roles, she faded into obscurity until her 2003 return to WWE. Although just pushed as an out and out Ms. Fanservice, rather than trying to pass her off as a wrestler this time, this run amounted to very little beyond another Playboy cover (shared with Torrie Wilson). After departing the company in 2004, she's kept a low profile. And in light of WWE's treatment of the women's division in the 2000s and 2010s, valuing looks over wrestling ability, Sable has taken the brunt of the blame for being the one to popularize the trend. And unlike many of the others, who by all accounts were trying to do whatever they could to keep their jobs, Sable had a reputation as a primadonna who refused to put others over and thus perpetuating the Chickification of women's wrestling.

Now that he's passed away, I'd like to update the entry for Ivan Reitman. Here's my proposed entry:

Ivan Reitman used to be a well-respected Hollywood director that first broke out into fame by directing Meatballs and is best known for being the man behind Ghostbusters (1984), as well as several successful comedies like Stripes, Twins (1988), Kindergarten Cop, and Dave. However, after many huge flops following the release of Dave, his cred dropped considerably, to the point where even the critics began to openly dread his screen credit. My Super Ex-Girlfriend, for instance, had a critic in Newsday asking "... why was it made? ... And, most important, why is there 10 bucks missing from my pocket?" He did claw some respectability back in 2011 with No Strings Attached, which got decent reviews and topped the box office in its first weekend, but he never again reached the heights of his early career by the time he died in 2022. The last movie he worked on as a producer was Ghostbusters: Afterlife, directed by his son Jason.

I think it's safe to add Graham Linehan to this page, in light of his open transphobia and the ensuing fallout. His bigotry got him banned by Twitter multiple times and divorced by his wife, so shouldn't he count as this?

I suggest keeping an eye on Yuji Naka, as he seems to be headed this way based off his activities in recent years. Not only did his partnership with Square Enix go nowhere after the failure of Balan Wonderworld, but there have been more and more reports coming out recently about how he was a colossal prick during the Sega Saturn and Dreamcast era, screwing over projects like Sonic X-treme and Geist Force out of xenophobia for Sega's western development teams. Further reinforcing these reports is the fact that he and long-time collaborator Naoto Ohshima had a giant falling out over Naka's mismanagement on Balan Wonderworld, with Naka photoshopping Ohshima out of pictures on Twitter and blocking or hiding comments that mention him.

While I wouldn't add him just yet, I feel like he's fast on his way towards qualifying for placement on here.

I think The Mysterious Mr. Enter might qualify now, given the fallout from his political commentary from 2020 onward.

Some time ago, adding Joss Whedon to Fallen Creator was brought up but shot down on the grounds that he hasn't had a project fail yet to truly bring him to that level. That reasoning does not hold up seeing how the theatrical cut of Justice League (2017) helmed by Whedon was a critical and commercial failure (further compounded by the release of a better-received recut without Whedon's involvement) that effectively halted his momentum, along with the allegations of his unsavory behavior. Additionally, he has also created a TV series that has received lackluster reception, and he would only write two episodes of it before resigning over his controversies. Furthermore, Whedon has seen such a dramatic drop in prestige that the “Whedonesque” writing style he popularized has seen a backlash as well, as exemplified by negative reviews for Cowboy Bebop (2021) (an unrelated series) using “Whedonesque” as a pejorative.

The page says that Blizzard is co-developing Diablo Immortal with Tencent, but I'm sure it's NetEase they're working with.

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Honestly, I think Rockstar Games should be added to the Video Games section, for several reasons:

• They keep milking the Online components of Grand Theft Auto V and Red Dead Redemption II without adding any form of single-player content, despite promising a single-player DLC expansion for the former game.
• Their parent company, Take-Two Interactive, filed numerous DMCA takedowns on mods of GTA games and filed a lawsuit against a group of people who reverse engineered GTA III and Vice City.
• They delisted the original versions of GTA III, Vice City and San Andreas in favor of Grand Theft Auto: The Trilogy - The Definitive Edition, similar to what Activision Blizzard did with Warcraft III: Reforged. The compilation was a buggy mess with many technical issues, the graphical changes were a mixed bag, it removed content that was in the original games, and, much like Warcraft III: Reforged, it quickly became one of the lowest rated games on Metacritic user score wise.

Looking over Rare in the video games section, I feel like they should probably be cut, as:

• Their failures during their time as Ultimate Play the Game have long since been forgotten about, and clearly didn't kill them at all, given that they went onto become one of Nintendo's most prolific partners during the nineties.
• While the period following the acquisition by Microsoft wasn't good for them, it wasn't too bad either, as Viva Pinata and Kameo have each managed too attain Cult Classic status, and their period of creating Kinect games could more accurately be described as a Dork Age.
• Going into the eighth generation, they released Rare Replay, a collection of many of their games that garnered incredibly positive reviews, and Sea of Thieves, which did have a rocky start but eventually managed to turn things around and become a giant moneymaker for Microsoft and Rare.

They may not be as revered as they were in the nineties, but I would hardly put them on the same level as Keiji Inafune or John Romero.

I would also like to propose adding Jeff Spangenberg, who went from working on the Turok games and founding Retro Studios to working on The Guy Game and disappearing off of the face of the planet.

I'm surprised R. Kelly isn't on this list. R&B superstar during the 90s and 2000s and convicted sex offender and trafficker having done it with multiple underaged girls, the most notable being Aaliyah. He isn't Condemned by History however since people still like his music.

Is it too soon to consider Butch Hartman a Fallen Creator? Recently, he started a controversial Kickstarter for a service called Oaxis, that did not clearly define what it was going to be about. Things turned nasty toward the end of the Kickstarter, when it was discovered that the service would have Christian values - something Hartman NEVER disclosed in any materials related to the Kickstarter, leading to a number of his fans feeling lied and deceived to. Not helping matters at all is his response to criticism of the Kickstarter, rejecting any input from those who aren't in animation because they haven't done anything with their lives; as well as his remarks on suicide, which include saying that it was invented by the media and didn't exist when he was a kid and a joke about how Mary Kay Bergman committed suicide because of Tara Strong.

I'd like to offer a link to an article on Verne Gagne and the American Wrestling Association that I feel helps chronicle its fall: https://411mania.com/wrestling/shining-a-spotlight-12-01-06-the-rise-fall-and-legacy-of-the-awa/

When I tried to access the blog on the CBR Community forum by clicking on the link given, the page it led to simply read: "No Thread specified. If you followed a valid link, please notify the administrator."

Last year I made a post proposing Blizzard Entertainment:

"I'd like to propose Blizzard Entertainment for several reasons:

• "Popularizing lootboxes through the success of Overwatch.
• "The Diablo mobile game fiasco at BlizzCon 2018.
• "The censorship of Blitzchung for voicing support of the Hong Kong Protests at a Hearthstone event, and the subsequent handling of the massive backlash received.
• "The universally panned reception of Warcraft III: Reforged due to technical issues, changes from the original game, and false advertising, eventually becoming the lowest-ranked game on Metacritic based on user reviews.
• "The recent allegations against Blizzard by a number of their employees regarding them being underpaid at Activision Blizzard while executives continue to see pay raises and bonuses.

"All of the above has essentially tanked Blizzard's reputation and turned them into a developer as widely hated as EA, Ubisoft, and Konami. While we could add Activision to the list as well, Blizzard had much larger fall from grace than Activision did, and is usually at the forefront of the backlash towards the company nowadays. And considering how Activision has received a shitton of backlash over the years for many things, this isn't any small feat."

Now with the recent revelations about their abuse-laden workplace out in the open, I think they should be reconsidered for addition on this page. I'm aware that they need to have done a "bad game", but I feel like Warcraft III: Reforged fits that "bad game" qualification for just how shitty it was.

I also think that EA's entry needs to be expanded upon, so that it would also feature Battlefront II's whole lootboxes fiasco, the failure of Anthem, and the closure of studios like Visceral.

And I'd also like to propose Ubisoft, mainly for their hostile work environment, but also because they released critically-panned games like Tetris Ultimate, Ghost Recon: Breakpoint, and Tom Clancy's Elite Squad, for having games like Beyond Good & Evil 2 and Skull & Bones stuck in Development Hell, and how they ignore franchises like Rayman and Splinter Cell, all of which have led to Ubisoft being regarded with little to no respect in recent years.

Is it fair to note that George Lucas restored his reputation to an extent with the Clone Wars, combined with the PT being vindicated by history due to ST backlash and the lore from the afomentioned Clone Wars adding to the PT

5 years later, and I still think Jeph Loeb's inclusion is ridiculous. He's had several well received books since the Hulk one that's supposedly "the final nail in the coffin," and most of the examples given (including the Hulk one) were mediocre at worst. The Hush example is especially ridiculous, and it seems like it's one person with an agenda trying to make it seem like their personal opinion is general opinion. Hush is, in fact, one of the most popular Batman books, consistently making top 10 lists and has a 4.3/5 on Goodreads, 4.8/5 on Amazon, 4.7/5 on Comixology, etc.

Superman/Batman: Public Enemies is also fairly well liked (over a 4 on Goodreads, which isn't common for comics that aren't certifiable classics), enough to be made into an animation at least. Again, one person's bias being used to represent an entire fandom.

Apart from that, Loeb was also in charge of a lot of Marvel television since then, a lot of which was well received.

If he did nothing after Ultimates, maybe he'd count, but as it is, his entry doesn't fit with actual reality. No one considers him "fallen" because of one or two bad works. If that's all it took, this page would be a hundred times bigger.

Should George Lucas be removed? TCW was very well received season 2 onwards and the Prequels are kinda vindicated by history, especially with the ST being much more polarizing and the popularity of stuff like prequel memes. There is a growing consensus that he at least had good ideas but maybe couldn't write properly. Also note the speaking out more by PT fans, as well as existence of interpretations of PT and his ideas that have kinda vindicated him(ie: Ring Theory)

I think Jacob Lenard a.k.a. Lenstar Productions, who created the webtoons Mugman and Loose Ends, qualifies for this page as of 2021. In 2020, a former friend of his, Ben Brown, brought some of Jacob's homophobic and transphobic remarks to light. Early in 2021, it was discovered that as early as 2015, Jacob had been mistreating and insulting a transgender voice actor for Mugman, with the mistreatment reaching a point where said voice actor nearly committed suicide and left themselves physically mutilated. This did not bode well with a lot of people, with Jacob himself delisting all his YouTube videos as a result before relisting them with the comments disabled (at least at first).

"The other main designer on Doom, John Carmack fared much better than Romero initially, with Quake II and III and Return to Castle Wolfenstein being major hits. However, the reputation of both Carmack and iD Software in general has been heading steadily downhill since then; Doom 3 was commercially successful, but not particularly well received by the gaming community, Quake 4 failed to match up to expectations, and both Enemy Territory: Quake Wars and Wolfenstein were huge failures. All this, combined with the vaporware status of Rage, has left both Carmack and iD with a reputation that's barely any better than that of Romero."

All I can say is lolwut? Doom 3 has 3 generally positive ratings on gaming websites, even if it do have a fair Hate Dom among older Doom fans. ET:QW was a top seller in both the UK and the US and it still has a reasonably active community today (The console ports did flop but iD wasn't behind them). The Wolfenstein reboot wasn't by them, and neither was Quake 4 (which still performed very well) for that matter. Even if iD's reputation isn't as sterling as it used to, saying it's "barely better than Romero" seems to be very exagerated... in my experience, anyway.

Should we put Tom "Dynamite Kid" Billington here? It was his style that helped modernize pro-wrestling, but was overshadowed by drug use and domestic violence outside the ring. It was to the point that so many injuries have confined him to a wheelchair. He passed away on 2018.

Should we put Joss Whedon on here in light of his fall from grace in recent years? Granted this mostly comes down to public perception like cheating on his wife multiple times, accusations of abuse from stars who worked with him like Ray Fisher, and more recently Charisma Carpenter.

Removed per request in the locked pages thread:

• A literal example: Matthew Good. After breaking out on Underdogs, his band (the Matthew Good Band) was selling out shows across Canada. Their website was one of the pioneers in bands interacting with fans directly, as well as marking Good as a wacky-as-fuck singer with his "manifestos." Their third album, Beautiful Midnight, raised them to superstar status in 1999. Then, things began to fall apart rapidly, at first with Beautiful Midnight's heavily-delayed release in the States (partly due to actual label demands, mostly due to Good's Jerkass antics) to 2001. Then came The Audio of Being, released the same year which broke apart the band (disbanding shortly after release). Good recovered slightly, getting married the following year. However, his first solo effort, Avalanche, released just before the Iraq War was to begin, was too political for its own good (though sounded incredibly great). He became more politically agitated online as well, losing fans due to his preaching against the American military-industrial complex. The follow-up album, White Light Rock and Roll Review in 2004, was a mediocre album at best, an inconsistent blather with odd dabblings of country at worst. Then, after a greatest-hits release in 2005, several things happened to him, all almost at once: his wife divorced him (after cheating on him), he developed an addiction to painkillers, and he got diagnosed with bipolar disorder. He still managed to write an album while in the psych ward, at his absolute lowest. The result, Hospital Music, seemed like something only a woobie could write and record. He has recovered since though, in part due to the album's success and an unlikely successful American tour. This recovery was cemented with Vancouver (the album, not the city) in 2009 which, despite being angrier, was more interested in social justice than American politics, and sounded much more consistent, and a return to form from the MGB days.

Removed per request in the locked pages thread:

• AFI started out as nothing remarkable - an ultra-fast hardcore punk revivalist band with a funny sounding singer and a weird sense of humour. Over time, they incorporated more horror punk style with a big Gothic lyrical streak, but still playing fast and loud. This is commonly considered to be when they became something great and original. They then released "Sing the Sorrow", which was actually well-received by fans, but was also slower and more pop-oriented. It was also a commercial hit. After that, "Decemberunderground" was more new wave, with the exception of several songs that demonstrated that AFI was now incapable of writing a good loud fast song. Then they followed that up with a terminally boring "Crash Love".

Before I run it by the locked pages thread, I'm curious on what people would think about Sia Furler being added here. Seeing how poorly her film Music (2021) did amongst critics and audiences, and her reactions to the criticisms to it have made many of her former fans swear off her. Does that check all the boxes?

Another to add, getting permission before asking the thread, but would it be agreed to add Ryan Haywood, formerly of Achievement Hunter, to Web Original?

• Ryan Haywood: Pre-2020, Ryan was one of the most beloved figures in Achievement Hunter and their parent platform, Rooster Teeth, being a heavily featured contributor and having many roles in the latter's live action and animated projects, not to mention his own successful streaming platform. But in 2020, Ryan was forced to step away after he was outed as a sexual predator, having used his reputation as a Team Dad to groom many young women, some of whom were underage, and many of the stories describing him as sexually violent. Several months later when Ryan tried to come back to Twitch, his former colleagues all spoke up against him and Twitch shortly after banned him from the service. With no platform willing to touch him, it's safe to say James Ryan Haywood will never have a career in online entertainment again.

Is it possible to add Ethan Van Sciver to the Comic Book section? I can't think of a comic creator who's reputation has taken a nosedive nearly as big as his.

Beforehand, he was one of DC's premiere artists, pretty much the defacto artist for Green Lantern since the massive revival in the 2000s. But his descent into alt-right politics, his support for radical groups who had harassed and abused his colleagues in the industry, and his own attacks against other creators have pretty much left his reputation in tatters. He's not getting work from either of the Big Two, and is pretty much relegated to crowdfunded indie projects where his only audience is the members of his alt-right group.

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Is it safe to say JK Rowling has fallen here now? If it wasn't brought on by her excessive Authors Saving Throws years after the last book was published (including claiming that before plumbing was invented, wizards just did their business right there and vanished the remains), the tepid reception to the Fantastic Beasts movies (with the main criticism being hurled at her writing), several Unfortunate Implications being found in the franchise and reluctance to actually include LGBT representation beyond Word of God - then her extremely public transphobia and spreading of misinformation has caused a large portion of fans to turn their backs on her.

I'd like to propose Blizzard Entertainment for several reasons:

• Popularizing lootboxes through the success of Overwatch.
• The Diablo mobile game fiasco at BlizzCon 2018.
• The censorship of Blitzchung for voicing support of the Hong Kong Protests at a Hearthstone event, and the subsequent handling of the massive backlash received.
• The universally panned reception of Warcraft III: Reforged due to technical issues, changes from the original game, and false advertising, eventually becoming the lowest-ranked game on Metacritic based on user reviews.
• The recent allegations against Blizzard by a number of their employees regarding them being underpaid at Activision Blizzard while executives continue to see pay raises and bonuses.

All of the above has essentially tanked Blizzard's reputation and turned them into a developer as widely hated as EA, Ubisoft, and Konami. While we could add Activision to the list as well, Blizzard had much larger fall from grace than Activision did, and is usually at the forefront of the backlash towards the company nowadays. And considering how Activision has received a shitton of backlash over the years for many things, this isn't any small feat.

I would like to include Adam Rosner of The Slender Man Mythos on this page. His webseries, Tribe Twelve was considered one of the "big three" Slender Man series alongside Everyman HYBRID and Marble Hornets, and had been ongoing since 2010. I'm not sure where the edit request thread is, but this is what I had in mind for adding to the page:

Adam Rosner, creator of the Slender Man webseries Tribe Twelve was a prolific and well-respected creator that was heavily involved in The Slender Man Mythos, alongside the creators of Marble Hornets and Everyman HYBRID, even crossing over with the latter series a few times. Both fans and creators alike respected Rosner’s devotion to the series, on top of writing, producing, and editing it independently (mostly) for over 10 years, in spite of production slowing to a crawl in the later years due to him attending medical school in New York. His reputation completely changed overnight on September 7th, 2020, when several girls and young women (one of which was Heather Faller of Dark Harvest) gave credible evidence that Rosner had attempted to groom and/or rape them as young as 15 years old, on top of having incredibly disgusting sexual kinks, and an inability to feel empathy for anyone but himself. Since then, Rosner has done everything in his power to unperson himself from the internet, and his fellow Slenderverse creators have condemned him for his actions, to the point of being a Persona Non Grata. With the addition of a recorded phone call Rosner was on with one of his abusers being made publisc, on top of a statement made by Nick Nocturne on the matter on January 9th, 2021, the chances of Rosner ever making a return to form are slim to none.

Should Butch Hartman be in this list?

I'd like to provide an addendum to Luc Besson's entry.

RE: 2018 saw his reputation sink further with his adaptation of Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets outright bombing and allegations of sexual misconduct. It's safe to say his name is now box office poison.

I'd like to nominate two candidates for inclusion:

• Pitof, who after working on various crew positions in Euro movies (and Alien: Resurrection), directed Vidocq, which got him noticed by Hollywood, who brought him on board to direct... Catwoman. Since then he's been relegated to working on shorts and TV episodes.

• Marion Zimmer Bradley, who for a long time was considered a trailblazer for feminist fantasy literature, was revealed after her death to have not only aided and abetted her then-husband Walter H. Breen in his pedophiliac abuse of several victims over decades, but was even an active participant in said abuse in the case of their daughter. Not sure if posthumous cases count as this trope though.

Also, I'd like to add RE: John Kricfalusi that he also burned bridges with many of his more harcore fans by getting a project, Cans Without Labels, funded on Kickstarter, which took SEVEN YEARS to finally release, to near-universal disappointment and derision as it turned out to really not having been worth the wait. That should probably also be added to his entry.

Mind changing this part of the John Kricfalusi entry, from ""In 2018, it was revealed that he had sexually groomed his underage staff members such as Katie Rice and Robin Byrd, and even kept child pornography on his computer." to "In 2018, he was accused of sexually grooming his underage staff members such as Katie Rice and Robin Byrd and possessing child pornography." Making such claims when there's no conviction is dodgy.

I think David Benioff and D. B. Weiss are candidates for this page. They attracted a lot of ire after Game of Thrones suffered from Seasonal Rot and an infamous finale. A poorly-received Q&A, the controversy surrounding their cancelled TV series Confederate, and Gemini Man (which had Benioff as a screenwriter) bombing did not help either. They've become so notorious that people cheered when they left Star Wars, and they've reached Scapegoat Creator status — people seem to forget about or just not be aware of the good stuff they've made (e.g. Benioff's novels).

Should Notch be added to this page? The Minecraft fandom used to jokingly treat him like a god, but after he dove headfirst into alt-right conspiracy theory nonsense he basically became persona non grata — not helped by the fact that he left Mojang years ago and thus can't even really be credited for the majority of the game's development anymore.

I brought him up ages ago in the locked pages thread (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=gsjp7dldjh2dwdelcha2hu17&page=833) and was told to bring it here, but uhhhhhh I got distracted and forgot.

Should Alex "Yandere Dev" Mahan be counted as a Fallen Creator?

He fits all the criteria: he initially got showered in praise for creating Yandere Simulator, then the hype started to die off as Yandere Simulator entered Development Hell, then came the accusations and evidence of him engaging in online grooming, creepy behavior and silencing criticism, and as of this writing, all he has to show for 6 years of development is an Obvious Beta, and many users on the Internet have taken to mocking and belittling him.

I would like to submit Tom King:

Tom King was renowned for his award-winning work on titles like Omega Men, The Vision (2015), and Mister Miracle. His Batman run in beginning in 2016 was highly anticipated, and initially received many good reviews. That came crashing to a head in 2018 when King's run on the title started proving too divisive for its own good, with numerous controversial twists, many of which were criticized for not being followed up on and instead getting handled in other books, as well as supreme Arc Fatigue and pacing issues. This was then followed by Heroes in Crisis, a crossover derided for its high body count and numerous Shocking Swerves and out of character moments. King's fanbase began leaving in droves, to the point that sales on Batman were getting so bad that DC had him pulled off. Whatever remained of his reputation sunk in 2020 when he publicly accused Jae Lee of being part of an online hate group, accusations that were proven to be false. By this point, even most defenders of King have given up on him, with both ex-fans and former colleagues now seeing him as an embarrassment to the comic book industry.

Video Games folder

1. In Creator/Interplay entry, is there any reason Free Space 2's paragraph has to be bolded? Is it clerical error, or the part really need to be emphasized?

2. Eric Chahi's entry lacking "public opinion has turned against these people" part. His "killer" (Heart of Darkness) actually sold well. And he does return with From Dust. I don't think he count.

Given the sheer amount of drama that surrounds him, Yandere Dev absolutely needs to be here

A proposal. I know she's a very controversial figure but I tried to keep the writing objective.

Anita Sarkeesian of Feminist Frequency was once highly regarded - developing a series of videos with the intent of examining depictions of women in pop culture. While she had her critics when her first series of "Tropes vs Women" came out, she was received well enough to get attention from the mainstream press and an interview with Stephen Colbert. A Kickstarter campaign to fund a series of videos examining treatment of women in video games was intended to only cost $6000 but her supporters raised $160,000. Cracks started to appear even then - as she was accused of scamming the money after the videos initially failed to appear. When they did finally surface, criticism was already starting to mount against her; despite claims that her videos were "double and triple checked", critics uncovered numerous research mistakes and otherwise baffling statements that indicated she had either not watched many of the films or played the games she reviewed, or employed Manipulative Editing to create a biased viewpoint. She received lots of backlash for statements when reviewing Watch_Dogs and Hitman where she insinuated that gamers would automatically be turned on by depictions of rape and abuse towards women. Her conservative views were also put under scrutiny - with YouTuber and video game journalist Liana Kerzner releasing a five-part video series pointing out the Unfortunate Implications in many of Anita's videos, including what appeared to be Slut-Shaming of female characters who displayed any form of sexuality. She maintained a favorable public image as a result of the sheer vitriol she experienced from internet Trolls and misogynists - who sent her death threats and created games to mock her - leading to her becoming a spokeswoman for bullying and harassment. However it soon became clear that Anita generalized any form of criticism towards her work as bullying or harrassment, not helped by her videos disabling the comments altogether. Ostensibly this was to prevent hate speech from trolls, but also provided protection from legitimate and unbiased criticism. In what was considered an extremely hypocritical move, she was involved in an incident at VidCon 2017 where she started verbally attacking You Tuber Sargon when she saw him in the audience, using language like "garbage human" because he had made a series of videos criticising her, and also ordering one of his friends removed from the line before he had even finished asking his question. Another YouTuber called Boogie confessed to being attacked by Anita after the panel they shared together - in which he disagreed with her statements (in a civil and polite way). The hypocrisy was underlined by the panel being about Cyberbullying. Liana Kernzer also confessed to being a victim of harrassment from Anita's more ardent defenders - who also attacked many others that disagreed with Anita's statements. After announcing that she was discontinuing the "Tropes vs Women" series, the content was relegated to a podcast between Anita and her remaining co-workers. Anita later announced that Feminist Frequency had become non-profit, insinuating it was because financial backers had lost interest in funding it. These days, she's viewed unfavorably even outside her hatedom of misogynists - seen as an example of bad faith media criticism and hypocrisy with regards to bullying and harassment (while also doing very little to stop her own supporters harassing other people). Even mentioning her name on a website is flame bait, and she no longer carries the clout she once enjoyed.

Does J. K. Rowling count at this stage? I feel like if she is not at this stage then she is still close.

Should Josh Trank be included here? I'm starting to think so, since not only did Fant4stic burn a lot of bridges, but even his attempt at a comeback with Capone was mediocre at best, and much of his social media activity as of late (before he deleted it, AGAIN) displayed arrogance and hostility against his detractors.

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Should we add Tom Hooper here?

I don't think anyone can take him seriously after Cats.

I was reading over Electronic Arts section, and I think it needs a bit of updating. Mainly:

• Their closure of Visceral should be be added to the list of studios that they killed, as well as drastically changing Dead Space 3 and expecting it to sell an unrealistic five million copies, which contributed to the death of the franchise and the downfall of Visceral.
• Their terrible handling of the Star Wars license with Battlefront and Battlefront II, as well as the whole lootbox debacle involving the latter game.
• How their handling of lootboxes and in-game microtransactions caused several governments to start looking into the video game industry and regulating the predatory practices used by it, and that even after that, EA continued to defend their usage of these practices, such as calling them "surprise mechanics".
• The absolute mess that was Anthem and its development, which was marred by spending years in Development Hell, the departure of the project's original leaders, the abuse of workers to the point of mental breakdowns, and the critical and commercial failure of the game, being regarded as one of the biggest bombs of its release year.

Why are Don Bluth and Ralph Bakshi on this page? This page is about creators who have lost all or most of the respect they had. Don Bluth and Ralph Bakshi are still highly respected. Having a Creator Killer is NOT the same thing as losing respect.

Should we consider The Mysterious Mr. Enter one of these? There has been a lot of criticism leveled at his Nick-o-Rama videos, and fans have expressed concern with the increased presence of his political views, culminating in a reckless and irresponsible video about the COVID-19 pandemic. Other points of contention include him saying that ThunderCats Roar was made by "people who can't draw", and his dismissive response to criticism of his Nick-o-Rama reviews.

Not sure if someone with a semi-ironic fanbase counts, but here's a potential entry:

• Derek Savage once had a semi-ironic fanbase thanks to his So Bad, It's Good 2015 children's film Cool Cat Saves the Kids, which was then seen as a comically misguided, but well-intentioned attempt to prevent bullying and teach kids to be safe. That he took the YourMovieSucks.org review in stride at the time didn't hurt either. Unfortunately, he then lost his ability to handle criticism. He started harassing people who uploaded any content that mocked his film in any way, even going as far as to threaten legal action against I Hate Everything. This incident led to most of his fans losing respect for him. It didn't help that he also developed a bad habit of using the Cool Cat Twitter account to insult people, spread his political beliefs and hit on women creepily. When he released his 2018 film Cool Cat: Kids Superhero, a pointless recut of Saves the Kids with a few irrelevant scenes thrown in, few people cared. Then the Parkland school shooting inspired him to plan for a sequel titled Cool Cat Stops a School Shooting. This idea was widely derided as tasteless, and when he tried to crowdfund it, the campaign unsurprisingly failed. He then made a campaign for a smaller backup project, but that one also failed. To make matters worse, in 2019, Cool Cat's actor revealed that Savage would frequently make unwanted advances towards Momma Cat's actress, culminating in an incident where he stormed into her house uninvited and furiously confronted them. In retaliation, Savage copyright-striked one of the interviews, proving that he still relied on silencing criticism. He also posted a short film called "Cool Cat's Crazy Dream", which failed to garner much interest because it's just unused footage from one of his old videos with Savage himself voicing Cool Cat (the original actor refused to work with Savage again for obvious reasons). As a result of his behaviour and the lack of worthwhile new content, most of Savage's fans have abandoned him. Even Cool Cat Saves the Kids is nowadays viewed as a Vanity Project run by someone with an inflated ego.

Edit: Rewrote the entry a bit because some events were in the wrong order.

Should Ethan Van Sciver be added to the Comics section? His controversial behavior in the last several years hasn't done him a lot of favors, and then there's the fact that both DC and Marvel have cut ties with him.

I'd like to mention a bit about Kenji Inafune, namely a factor in how he got to his low point: Ben Judd. It's said that he influenced much of Inafune's infamous decisions in terms of Capcom and Mighty No.9.

That and these days he has a key part in Dangen Entertainment , which has made some waves in indie circles for questionable behavior on his part (see the YMMV page), though it wouldn't be the first time Judd's been associated with sexual misdeeds (it's been said Inafune's departure from Capcom was related to such things)

Mentioning this because it has Inafune's downfall be one perhaps caused by poor judgement in people.

Question: would Capcom fit on this pade? There's been a lot of controversy over the blatant plagiarism of Splosion Man (with MaXplosion), to the point that people have even outright said "fuck you" to Capcom (over the internet but still). We might have to wait and see, but the signs are beginning to show.

Would Bethesda be an example of this trope today? Ever since the release of Fallout 76 in 2018, their reception has gone from being one of the best game developers of the century, to being universally reviled in a short time. This video explains a lot about why fans have become disillusioned, and it is far from the only one either.

How about Tobuscus? He used to be one of the biggest faces on YouTube along the ranks of PewDiePie. However, he began to decline around the mid-2010s (decrease in video production) and his popularity ultimately fell when he was accused by his girlfriends of sexual assault.

Um, can I suggest typo corrections here? Because I just spotted one that I can't correct due to the article being locked. Under Comic Books, when they're talking about Jeph Loeb, they mention Tim Sale [singular], but it's written Tim Sales [plural].

I think it might be a good idea to include Game Freak onto this list. As seen here, people have not been happy about recent decisions they made concerning Pokemon Sword and Shield, and folks on Reddit, Twitter, and elsewhere have made a number of posts tearing down their flimsy excuses for said decisions.

I think Josh Trank from Fantastic Four (2015) career should be listed. According to the Wikipedia page: "As of today, Trank has no new projects lined up and no Hollywood studio wants to work with him. His notoriety as such firmly placed him in director's jail, a pariah locked out of studio directing opportunities for the indefinite future. One anonymous Hollywood executive told the Hollywood Reporter, "No executive will go near him. I might take a meeting with him, just to give him advice, but I wouldn't give him a job." The Hollywood Reporter suggests that the only way Trank will ever be allowed another shot at directing is to apologize, eat humble pie, and go back to his low budget roots. He might also try writing a great script or going the television route but even that's a long shot."

On a side note, Robert Zemeckis' entry needs some updating. It has been 3 years since his Flight movie came out.

"Eisner was hard set against both Lost and Desperate Housewives, which were immense hits for ABC in 2004... while pushing his own project, which was basically "Stacy's Mom" by Fountains of Wayne as a sitcom." Wasn't the project Bob Iger's idea?

Given that EA sells millions of games year after year, which hasn't changed despite Hate Dumb, it is wrong to refer to them as a "Fallen Creator" on this page. This particular entry was blatantly written by someone who didn't get exactly what they wanted from DA 2 or ME 3 and decided it was EA's fault.

Can we add John Lasseter onto the list? People used to love him, but ever since his sexual harassment allegations in 2017, people have been boycotting him greatly.

In the Peter Sellers entry, the last line says "... but in a piece of incredibly good timing, he died a month before it was released." I suggest this be linked to the Black Comedy page.

What happened to the entry on Chuck Austen?

The Mark Millar example includes the following sentence: "Nowadays, he produces bloody works such as The Unfunnies, Kick-Ass, The Ultimates, and Wanted, that featured Sociopathic Hero characters and Strawman Political arguments."

I suggest that "nowadays" be changed to "at the height of his fame" and that the sentence be written in the past tense, as Millar has since mellowed somewhat and has produced relatively more colourful and upbeat works such as Huck, Reborn and Jupiter's Legacy.

I think Tadayoshi Yamamuro should get a mention. He was the most beloved animation supervisor during Dragon Ball Z, but his style took a heavy decline since the 2000's. When Batle of Gods was announced, an animator outright called his designs bad and when he debuted as a storyboard artist and supervisor for Resurrection of F, he was criticized by many for how uninspired it was with one animator calling him a "big fish in a small pound that doesn't expand beyond one series", and how cheaply-looking his designs were (with the highlights being the most common source of complain). Yamamuro was replaced by animator Naohiro Shintani for Dragon Ball Super: Broly with him relegated to Dragon Ball Heroes

What does everyone think about adding in Telltale Games? The fact that the company suddenly fell apart in the span of a year and its explosive revelations over it... well...

Could Matt Groening qualify? He hasn't fallen nearly as far as most of the other entries on here, but he's not the rockstar he was in the late 90s/early 2000s: The Futurama reboot got mixed reviews and wound up cancelled, while the Simpsons has been average at best for the last 10-15 years and isn't really a part of pop culture anymore.

For the Wachowskis' entry, we should probably add Jupiter Ascending and Sense 8—the former because it represented their low point in terms of reputation, the latter because it finally got them into Win Back the Crowd territory.

Would Gearbox count as this? They went from the sizable success of borderlands and into obscurity.

There were some blows; the controversy over using funds meant for Alien Colonial Marines towards Borderlands 2, some of the things Borderlands 2/Pre S did, and Battleborn getting smashed by overwatch (not so much Gearbox's fault in this case). And then there was someone of the stuff some key staffers said. Last I heard they were trying to push a TCG/FPS or such.

I don't blame Duke Nukem Forever's flop on them as they mainly finished what was started, and they did make a patch enabling more weapons for the PC ver.

Can we remove the entry of Square Enix? I think its a bit outdated because of more recent events like Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn and Final Fantasy XV's success.

This was under Valve's YMMV page (I removed it for being Flame Bait):

• Fallen Creator:
  • As the creators of well-loved games such as Dota 2, Left 4 Dead, and pretty much everything in the Orange Box pack, as well as the owner of probably THE most used game download service on the net, public opinion of Valve was very good. As the years passed, however, opinions of Valve would begin to sour. Steam user service is run by barely functional bots, the aforementioned Paid Mods announcement, and rumors that lead writer Marc Laidlaw left Valve due to lack of respect are all reasons to get angry. Each fanbase of Valve's biggest multiplayer titles has a reason to pick a bone with them^note For TF2, Meet your Match and Invasion, for Dota, the reveal of Artifact, for CS;GO, the Paid Sprays fiasco, and many still are deriding Valve for "making money instead of video games".
  • Valve's Steam service was once seen as THE go to for PC gaming and nothing could hold a candle to Steam's quality library of games. The improvement to Steam's UI and other features only made things better. As the years went on, the quality of games went down the tubes thanks to people flooding the marketplace with Shovelware and Valve barely lifting a finger to do any sort of quality control. Valve hardly did anything about the problem, allowing it to fester over time. Valve created Steam Greenlight to let the community vote on what game should be published on Steam, but it went as well as you'd expect. Valve tried to combat the issue by removing Greenlight and replacing it with Steam Direct where people that want their games to be on Steam only have to pay a flat up front fee. The shovelware did not slow down one bit. It had gotten to the point where people were releasing games using assets from Half-Life 2 and making a profit off it while Valve doesn't do anything about it. To top things off, a small indie studio announced that they made twenty times the amount of sales on the Nintendo Switch compared their sales on Steam while also citing that the flood of crappy games on Steam had made it harder for people to find their game. Valve's lack of quality control and communication has caused many fans to ignore indie games entirely or quit Steam completely and move to GOG (Good Old Games).
  • Valve came under fire when they removed Hunie Pop for violating the TOS due to the game's pornographic material, even though that game and similar ones had no issues with Valve before and said games would only be allowed back on Steam after a reevaluation. Active Shooter, a game where you play the role of a shooter that shoots up a school, was released on Steam and it had also gained attention from the mainstream media. While Valve did remove the game a day later, people who were already disillusioned with Valve took it as yet another sign that Valve gave no shits about quality control by removing harmlessly slightly pornographic visual novels while allowing a game mocking school shootings to be published. Some time later, Valve announced that they would no longer curate games published on Steam and would instead allow their users to filter out content they don't like (Valve would still remove games that are deemed illegal or trolling). For many people, this was the final straw and whatever goodwill Valve had was now completely gone.

This look legit enough to add?

I think the section on Gunpei Yokoi needs to be revised for a number of reasons, mostly that it's based on misconceptions and incomplete information. For one thing, he didn't leave Nintendo because of disgrace or mistreatment; he actually stayed longer so that it wouldn't appear that he was fired due to the failure. He'd been planning to resign for some time, and the Virtual Boy was meant to be his Swan's Song for the company. His movement to a less important position and his manning the trade show booth were both at least in part his ideas so that he'd still be useful to the company while waiting for things to die down. And last but not least, Nintendo hasn't forgotten the Virtual Boy. It was included in the Japanese version of Super Smash Bros. Melee in the trophy gallery, and Nintendo of America in particular have embraced it as a joking self-deprecation.

About Bioware becoming fallen creators, didn't you heard about places like Game FA Qs and Something Awful have been recently devoting all of their hate towards Dragon Age 2 and newer franchises for destroying all they stood for. Talking about horror stories about how Bioware silence anyone who dares to even criticize their games in a style that is Brezhnev's "Silence everyone, see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil".

Bioware has fallen and only the game reviewers who were paid by Electronic Arts to keep them from ripping the game to shreds would speak negative things about it. Or did Gerstgate not reminds you what happens when you try to turn against the game creators by supporting a deviant opinion.

Does the Harvey Dent quote "You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain" really fit here? Fallen creator seems more about losing ones talent, not becoming evil

Too soon to tell, but I think that Doug Walker (aka the nostalgia critic) and Channel Awesome in general might be heading this way due to allegations about mismanagement and abuse from their former content creators for almost a whole decade.

Though it can be debatable, but director Bob Clark was once this. He started off directing 70's and early 80's cult classics like Children shouldn't play with dead things, Black Christmas, Porky's and A Christmas Story. But then he directed Rhinestone which was nominated for a few razzies, including worst director for Clark, and from the mid-80s and throughout the early 2000's he was basically a director-for-hire, even directing the panned Baby Geniuses films. He was about to make a comeback in the late 2000's with a remake of his earlier films, but sadly it never happened, Bob Clark was tragically killed in a car accident in 2007.

I'm thinking we should add Allison Mack to the list. Getting slapped with federal crimes related to running a sex slave cult would probably qualify her as "fallen" for most people.

We should add a section to the Matt Hardy entry about how he managed to Win Back the Crowd with his “broken” gimmick.

Well, things seem to be getting worse for John Kricfalusi, with all the allegations of him sexual harassing two underage females.

Is it save to put Seth Macfarlene on this list. He's not exactly the Golden Boy like he was in the 2000s. And his movie career isn't much better.

Mel Gibson - As of late, he seems to be making a bit of a comeback. His recent directorial effort, Hacksaw Ridge, was commercial success and earn a number of oscar nominations including best picture. Also, while his inclusion in Daddy's Home 2 did face some controversy and the film wasn't particularly well received by critics, it still proved to be commercially successful.

Guy Ritchie - His section stops at the Sherlock holmes films but doesn't mention The Man from Unkle (while somewhat critically successful, it was a commercial flop) or his King Arthur film (an even bigger commercial flop).

For M Night Shyamalan, would it be worth noting that his most recent film, Film/Split was a commercial success and was amongst his better received films?

Should we revive the Joss Whedon section? It as removed a while back, and he seemed to have regained the majority of fan-love, but after the Wonder Woman script, Justice League, and the affairs and emotional abuse that his ex-wife revealed, not to mention the burnout he suffered after Age of Ultron (though that one at least seems to have been a Vocal Minority), I'm wondering if there's enough negativity to justify putting him here.

At this point, I'm not sure I've seen anyone thrilled about him making a Batgirl movie; half a decade ago people would've been jumping for joy at that, but right now the only people who seem to be excited are just people that want to see Burnside!Batgirl made into a movie.

I would nominate the Spoony One for one. He's barely put out any new content over the last couple years and his fans have all but turned against him (seriously look at the Spoony Experiment subreddit). His good days have clearly passed.

Based off of what's listed on Konami's part in the video games folder, I believe that EA's part should also be updated to include Mass Effect Andromeda and Star Wars Battlefront 2's even further negative impact on the company.

I would like to recommend Marion Zimmer Bradley for this list. As vital as she was to the fantasy genre, her reputation has essentially been ruined after she was discovered to be a sexual predator that targeted her own children and those of others. It's a lot more grim than many other examples on the page, but I think it's something that needs to be said.

I would like to recommend David Crononberg for this page.

Can there be a section on Takashi Iisuka, current head of Sonic team? I mean, he went from leading designer of the original Ni GHTS to Shadow. That's kinda hitting rock bottom.

i did some reediting on Demongodofchaos 2's Inafune example. hope this is OK:

• Keiji Inafune got his start at Capcom in the 1980s, and quickly made a name for himself as the "father" of the Mega Man franchise.^note Although he has said that his co-worker at the time, Akira Kitamura, deserves credit for actually designing Mega Man. He moved up the ladder to executive producer, and many classic franchises were created under his watch. By the time of the seventh generation of video games, Inafune grew sick of Capcom's sequel policies; thanks to that, as EP he made sure that games like Dead Rising and Lost Planet went so over budget that they couldn't be cancelled in favor of more sequels to existing titles. Another thing that got him in thin ice was his hostility towards Japanese game developers for not adapting to HD hardware and the tastes of western gamers; all this caused him to leave Capcom by 2010, triggering the cancellation of the highly-anticipated Mega Man Legends 3 in 2011. As soon as Inafune left Capcom, he founded a new studio called comcept, and raised a staggering 4 million USD in a Kickstarter campaign for his first new major product Mighty No. 9, a Spiritual Successor to Mega Man. The game was first announced for a late 2014 release, then went through endless delays until it was released in June 2016. By the end of it all, Mighty No. 9 was widely derided as an ugly, uninspired knockoff rather than the Spiritual Successor it was meant to be. Not helping was Inafune's utter abuse of Kickstarter as a crowdfunding platform: not only did he announce a CGI cartoon of the character, but also another KS campaign for English voice acting and another one for the Mega Man Legends-esque Red Ash—and that last one meant nothing anyway, as it was already being fully funded by the Chinese studio FUZE Entertainment. All this had the gaming public question if Inafune was genuine in his efforts or a greedy con man, to the point his fellow ex-Capcom employee Hideki Kamiya stated on Twitter that Inafune was "a businessman, not a creator." Eventually it was discovered that not only did he personally order the shutdown of Capcom's beloved Clover Studios, but his harsh statements on Japanese devs not adapting to Western tastes caused development of the highly controversial DmC: Devil May Cry. All of the above, coupled with the mediocre reception of ReCore and the failure of Mighty No. 9 has given Inafune a reputation as Japan's counterpart to John Romero.

Should we add details about how Square Enix has managed to Win Back the Crowd?

Here's my Keiji Inafune entry, which I also submitted under locked pages, I'm pasting it here as well:

• One of the more recent and famous examples, as well as an example of not what he seems, is none other then Keiji Inafune. Originally starting out at Capcom in the 1980's, his claim to fame would be his involvement in the Megaman franchise, and is often reffered to as the father of the franchise itself (though he has gone on record saying that his co-worker at the time, Akira Kitamura, should be considered this instead due to actually designing Megaman) Eventually moving up the ladder to become an Executive Producer, under his watch, many famous franchises at Capcom would be born, such as Resident Evil, Onimusha (of which he also directed), Devil May Cry, and many more critically acclaimed franchises. All looked like it was going great for him. Sadly, good things were not to last. By The Seventh Generation Of Video Games, Inafune was growing sick of Capcom's sequel policies, which resulted in him making sure games such as Dead Rising and Lost Planet went so over budget that they couldn't be canceled in favor of more sequels (Not that it stopped them from making sequels to those games anyway) to existing franchises. His disturbing trend of bashing the Japanese Game Industry for failing to adapt to HD hardware and western tastes (though not without justification) eventually caused him to leave Capcom by 2010, causing the highly anticipated Megaman Legends 3 to be canceled in 2011 without his input despite saying he could continue working on it as a subcontractor. Many people had raced to his defense, trying to pin the blame on a big corporation like Capcom. Having formed a new independent studio called comcept, his first new major product through Kickstarter, Mighty No. 9, had raised a staggering 4 Million dollars counting extra paypal dollars, and things were looking bright. You'd think that he would still be successful, right? Sadly, no. After originally announced for a late 2014 release, the game underwent multiple delays, first to early 2015, then late 2015, then Winter 2016, then Spring 2016, only to be eventually released in June 2016. the result? A mediocre, uninspired platformer that looked nothing like what was originally presented. Not helping the matter, during the time, he not only announced a CG cartoon of the character, but another kickstarter for English voice acting, AND a kickstarter for a Megaman Legends spiritual successor, Red Ash (Which turned out to be all for nothing, as it turns out the game was already being fully funded by a Chinese development studio). During this time, it caused people to question whether Inafune was genuine or a Con Artist full of greed for money. Fellow ex-Capcom employee, Hideki Kamiya, even stated that Inafune was a business man, not a creator. To make things worse, it turns out that not only was he the executive to shut down the beloved Clover Studios division at Capcom, but he also was the reason for why Dm C Devil May Cry, a controversial entry in the series, existed in the first place, citing that Japanese developers should be more like Western developers in tone and style, making pre-existing fans of Japanese games very unhappy. All of this, combined with the Mediocre reception of ReCore after the already bad reception of Mighty No 9, has caused Keiji Inafune's reputation to crash into shambles, with many seeing him as Japan's Jon Romero in status. Time will tell if he recovers.

Any possible edits that might be needed can be done by a moderator if they have to when they add it.

Can someone expand the Ken Penders one to make it clear the extent of the damage his lawsuit did?

It resulted in the whole comic being rebooted and several well-received characters removed because Archie got scarred and not only pulled his creations but any characters made by ex-staff lest someone try to replay his actions.

He also managed to sabotage Ben Hursts attempts to get a Sat AM movie made to give the story closure by jumping the gun and telling Sega to soon. He then blamed Ben Hurst and claimed "he didn't know how the industry worked" or something to that effect.

The dude is the Frank Miller of Sonic comics.

We need to clear the flood of red links in this article.

I'd like to clean up Lindsay Lohan's section, and maybe modify Tom Cruise's where it won't be as Natter-y

should Keiji Inafune be added to the Video Games folder? his name became a joke after the PR disasters that were Mighty No. 9 and Red Ash, and Re Core was quickly forgotten about after its E3 reveal