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"Let's just say there's one segment of the population that loves [Tween Pop] songs, one segment that hates them and a really big segment (people on the Internet who want other Internet people to think they're cool) that feel obligated to say they hate them"

A fandom can sometimes reach rather illogical levels. But let's face it, hating a thing can bring out the jerkass in someone as much as liking it, especially on the Internet. Actions that drop someone's IQ points to dangerously low levels can be inspired by hate as easily as by love.

Hate Dumb is the polar opposite of Fan Dumb. It always exists — where there is fan dumb, there is hate dumb.

The bottom line is this: it's okay to dislike a show/movie/game/book/character/whatever. But there are civil and socially acceptable ways of expressing that dislike, just like with expressing love for a character or medium. It's going too far in disliking something where that dislike of a work becomes hate dumb.

Of course, much like fan dumb, hate dumb are usually just a vocal minority of people who don't like something. Sometimes it's not even considered part of the hatedom. Most of them, including yourself (unless you actually do fit this, and you won't know if you do) are pretty respectful when it comes to critiquing a work, or will simply just ignore it as they fully know that they won't enjoy the work and let the fans be.

As a footnote, to many a devoted fan, nearly every hatedom for their fandom is a hate dumb. There is often a broad overlap between people who accuse others of being in a hate dumb and people who enjoy Complaining About People Not Liking the Show. Similarly, to many a devoted hater, nearly every fandom for their hatedom is fan dumb. This goes to show the polar opposites of it.

The concept is closely related to Don't Shoot the Message.

Not to be confused with hatedom, which is the intelligent version of this. Well... the less stupid version, anyway.

Please do not put this on a work's page including its sub-pages. The only exception is if it is enforced canonically as someone's character trait. In that case, mark it as such.

Common variations of Hate Dumb:

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    The Aesthetic Stalinist 
Being aware of the political subtexts, or outright texts, of works you enjoy isn't a bad thing (mostly); neither is being aware of a creator's politics, especially when they start releasing uncomfortable Author Tracts that are impossible to judge non-politically or decide to aggressively push their views outside of their work. The issue with The Aesthetic Stalinist is that they judge artistic works chiefly, or entirely, according to their approval of what they see as their political texts or subtexts. Despite being named after an ostensibly leftist dictator, this can apply to any political ideology because it's not about specific ideology but an unwillingness to see beyond politics—to use science as an example, though Josef Stalin hobbled Soviet biology by falling for Lysenkoism because he saw Darwinian evolution as bourgeois, Those Wacky Nazis also hobbled their science community with Deutsche Physik because Albert Einstein, who developed the Theory of Relativity, was Jewish. For the purposes of this page, they will be divided into left-wing, who object to minority characters having flaws, and right-wing, who object to minority characters existing at all. Both types overlap with the Bandwagon Hater and the Review Troll, but as minority, LGBT, and even disability representation improves, right-wing types are becoming more visible.

Left-wing: Most frequently, the left-wing Aesthetic Stalinist will be particularly sensitive to any depiction of a woman or minority that doesn't meet their impossibly high standards and condemn the work as hateful and bigoted, sometimes without even taking the time to look into the work and see their full characterization. If the character is portrayed as unlikable or explicitly evil and unsympathetic, or even makes a Tragic Mistake, expect people like this to jump to wild conclusions about the supposed Unfortunate Implications that often don't exist, and condemn the creator of the work themselves while citing their perceptions as proof said creator is bigoted, even if the creator themself and/or one of the heroes is a member of the relevant group. As an unintended consequence of this behavior, the left-wing Aesthetic Stalinist is partially responsible for the existence of the Flawless Token trope; creators wary of these folks may resort to writing women/minorities as flat, boring characters with no flaws whatsoever (or at least none that might make them be perceived in any negative way), as it is the type of portrayal least likely to anger them. At the most extreme, the creator may not bother to include any minorities at all just to play it safe. On the rare occasion one of these people finds a character which meets their standards, they will protect that character like their only child. Any criticism of said character will lead to the critic being dismissed as a bigot, even if their criticisms had nothing to do with the character's minority status. Alternatively, the more extreme version may accuse the creator of a work with positively-depicted minority characters of being a hypocritical or cowardly centrist or "shitlib" for seeking "diversity points" without making the work sufficiently explicit and aggressive in its attack on patriarchal white supremacist capitalism or call for a socialist or anarchist revolution.

Right-wing: The right-wing Aesthetic Stalinist most often accuses any work with a minority protagonist or other sympathetic major character of pandering to leftists (having an especially rabid hatred for the Affirmative-Action Legacy), and accuses anyone who enjoys it of being a left-wing Aesthetic Stalinist who only pretends to like the work because of its "diversity". Even when a work can legitimately be criticized for pandering, they'll usually direct their criticisms at the apparent fact that the work decided to include a minority character at all. The most extreme of these types will once again direct their hatred at the creator. They may be actual bigots dressing up their bigotry in weasel wording and flimsy excuses, or simply people who got tired of being accused of such for their legitimate criticisms and as a result act in a reactionary manner to what they perceive as pandering or tokenism. If you confront one of them in the wild, expect to have the word SJW thrown at you more than once. Often overlaps with "Complaining about works you didn't take in" as they will often refuse to touch a work with anything they perceive as "pandering", let alone examine it critically and figure out if their perception is true. Also often overlaps with "The Installment Hater", since they often claim to be fans of older installments they don't perceive as "woke" (even if the earlier versions of the work took an explicitly leftist or anti-bigotry stance for their time), and "The Review Troll", since they love to review-bomb and cite their own review-bombing as proof of the truth of their slogan "Get Woke, Go Broke". Despite them being a Vocal Minority who aren't taken seriously by creators or more accepting fans of a given franchise, their existence often antagonises left-wing Aesthetic Stalinists, who will exaggerate their presence and impact as if it's what the whole fandom believes.

This then leads to a vicious cycle of each side blaming the other for taking drastic action (i.e.: Fan Wank). Sometimes things can get really ugly if, say, a work has a positively depicted black character but a less developed LGBT one, or vice-versa, in which case more selfish and unthinking individuals will start fighting among themselves about which group is more oppressed. In any case, it's great fun to watch from the sidelines, though such debates can descend into extremely ugly or even outright dangerous territory depending on the people involved, as both parties tend to be inordinately fond of dragging it into real life and making it personal. Doxing incidents are common, as are campaigns of orchestrated harassment and attempts to get people fired from their jobs or cost them clients or professional contacts (if they are self-employed), and it can and sometimes does escalate into full-fledged attempts to cause physical harm.

Someone who bashes a work for political reasons.

    Anne (or Andy) Titlement 
Anne Titlement is a type of hater who claims that nobody makes the kinds of work they enjoy anymore, or that there isn't enough of it. Any examples of that work or related works (by genre or by creator sometimes) have already been enjoyed and Anne Titlement wants more. Well, that's valid, right? Not when it means you begin viciously attacking everything else. This type of hater is shocked, shocked that something was made without them in mind. And if you are a fan of such a work, then it's your fault that nothing "good" is made anymore. Anne Titlement often views things through a sharp Nostalgia Filter. In their mind, hating something is never their fault.
  • A subset of the above, The Periphery Hate Dumb: This is someone who clearly hates something, yet it should be obvious why — it clearly wasn't made with their demographic in mind. Most people actually hate on something that wasn't made for them (Works developed for young children most come to mind, followed closely by stuff that is known for targeting the opposite gender), so you would honestly think they would ignore it, right? Nope. Part of the reason this hatedom came into being was when parents decided to watch the shows their kid watched and, as natural, because it wasn't made for them (Same way most shows parents enjoy aren't made for children) they disliked it. Unfortunately this has caused it to be associated with maturity, meaning that in an effort to be "cool" and look "mature", people often deny any association to that show made for younger children. This sometimes overlaps with the Culture Alien in that they often come up with complaints about the show that is pretty much what makes it a kid/boy/girl-friendly show in the first place, and taking their constructive criticisms seriously would result in an In Name Only show that's a complete genre shift, as is the Mad Editor.

Somebody who hates certain works because they want more of what they like instead.

    The Anti-Romantic 
The bizarro version of The Mad Bride/Groom; any hint of shipping or romance in the fandom will send them into a frothing rage instead of a squee of fangirl glee. You can see these species endlessly lambasting a fandom upon learning about a fan-made pairings, blaming tween girls and other scapegoats for their departure from fandom/why they refuse to associate with fans. Often just as stupid as rabid shippers themselves. They infest all works, regardless of whether or not the actual work itself has romance or otherwise. If it does, they are prone to turning at least one half of the romance into Ron the Death Eater, or rationalizing why the romance doesn't exist.
  • A variant of this is the Die for Our Ship fan who claims they're actually this, but their 'Anti-Romantic' sentiment tends to be focused on only specific ships, and/or specific characters. Meanwhile, there will be other ships that 'don't bother them as much', usually involving one-half of the ship they previously complained about being insanely toxic, which will make it clear they're Not So Above It All after-all as they make it clear they do have ships they like, but some they really hate.

Somebody who hates shipping in a fandom and/or romance in an actual work.

    Author Haters 
These people may not hate the fans, per se, but they certainly hate the author of the work. While it's natural to be annoyed with someone who has brought a bad show into existence, these people take it so far that it seems to be a personal Roaring Rampage of Revenge. In extreme cases, death threats may ensue. Running the Asylum can justify some author hate, but only to a point. Author hate can also be justified to an extent, if said author has an inflated ego, mistreats the fans of their work, or behaves in ways that directly contradict their own work's themes, which usually results in their own fans turning against them on top of already-existing author hate. Of course, whether the author is truly responsible for the contents of the work or changes in the adaptation, or was even truly the creator of the work, doesn't matter: Author haters will blame the head editor for stuff they couldn't have done, or a creator lower on the food chain for events caused by Executive Meddling.
  • Love Interest Haters: These people may be big fans of a creator, but they absolutely despise the creator's love interest. She (it's usually a she) will often be blamed for negatively affecting the quality of his work even if she had nothing to do with it. She may also be hated for sinking the hater's favourite Actor Ship, "stealing" the creator away from the hater, or disappointing people who really wanted him to be gay (and either believe there are No Bisexuals or take Het is Ew so far that they find bisexuality Ew too). Don't be surprised if these haters insist that the creator's relationship is unhappy even if there's plenty of evidence to the contrary. In severe cases, the haters will make more serious and equally baseless accusations against the love interest — according to them, she may be unfaithful, destructive, abusive, and so on. Even if the haters are actually right about a creator's love interest being a bad influence, they still take their response too far — as above, death threats may occur. Most of these people aren't full-blown haters of the work; they either actually like it despite their complaints, or they used to like it but now don't because they think it Jumped the Shark (which they'll often blame the love interest for).

People with an irrational grudge against the author of a work they hate.

    Bandwagon Hater 
Opposes this work, but only as long as it's the trendy thing to do. This hater is always on the lookout for things that are easy to mock, not because they truly hate them, but because it's fun to complain and no fun to do it alone. Sometimes, the Bandwagon Hater will like said things that are easy to mock but deny having anything but hate towards it. More often than not, these people may have even been fans of the show, especially in shows where it was trendy to like it, but then it became trendy to hate it. A very good way of spotting this if any Caustic Critic releases a scathing review, or if the majority of a fanbase or popular forum hates it, even if they had previously liked the work, and afterwards, start carbon-copying their opinions, sometimes word for word. In extreme cases, they may have no opinions of their own. The inverse happens in Fan Dumb, as well. This is what the page quote essentially describes; the person who hates something not because they genuinely dislike it, but because the "cool kids" told them to.
  • The Wannabe Caustic Critic: Runs about nitpicking things — a misplaced pixel? This game is trash. An artistic choice that I don't like? The fans are morons. They will savage everything and anything about a media... without the wit, grace, and, worst of all, humor of the people they attempt to emulate. Everything in this work is incredibly, irredeemably shitty to them, and expect far more personal attacks than anything approaching criticism.

Somebody who only bashes a work because hating it is trendy.

    Complaining about works one didn't take in 
These haters have never seen the show in question, but they still know they hate it. They will refuse to watch it at all. There isn't necessarily anything in the show itself that they would dislike, if only they would watch it — Hype Aversion, or the trailer for the work has made them determined to avoid direct exposure.
  • The Preemptive Hater: The Hate Dumb counterpart of the Hype Maniac. These guys really hate something, and seem to know almost everything about the object of their hate. The problem is, the work they hate hasn't been released. Often, it hasn't even been finished. These people are basing their hatedom on previews, teasers, and miscellaneous information floating around about the unreleased project; from it, they have constructed a picture of something they loathe intensely. In some cases, the hate may be based on information that was never conveyed in the first place, but is treated as confirmed fact. This is more common in the internet age, since people can get all sorts of false information (and true info, for that matter) from Fan Dumb and other Hate Dumb; and when release dates are staggered, there can be preemptive haters on the same board as people who do have access to the work. Remakes of works are frequent targets of this — people anticipate Adaptation Decay. On the bright side, the odds of getting a preemptive hater to see the work when the time comes is better than that for someone complaining about a extant show they don't watch.

Bashing a work despite never having watched/read/played/etc it.

    The Copycat Accuser 
These haters will complain, or worse - cry plagiarism, at the slightest sign of similarity with another work. In other words, they live and breathe "They Copied It, So It Sucks!" It doesn't occur that nearly every work throughout history draws inspiration from those that came before it - if it's not a tropeless tale, it's a clone of another work. This almost always overlaps with another variation of Hate Dumb, and is used to enhance excuses rather than establish them, because otherwise, this would apply to literally every work in existence. Most commonly, this will overlap with Author Hater (hating on the work because of its author), The Rival Fan (accusing the work of copying the work the hater does like) or Bandwagon Hater (accusing the work of being a copycat because others have)

A person who hates a work because they think it copied another.

    The Crusader 
Hating something is Serious Business to these people; it is practically their life's mission is to spread the message of Hatedom around. The Crusader is frequently launching Holy wars against forums, sometimes even organizing spam-raids on forums, or frequently derailing threads to state why they think it sucks. These types have been the cause of more work pages being locked on this very wiki than a lot of us are proud of.

A hater who finds any excuse to complain about their hated work.

    The Demonizer 
This is the Hate Dumb version of the Fandom Moral Guardian. He will find anything violent/sexual/other in this work and say that it will cause anyone who watches it to do something horrible. If something bad happens (and especially if the work is involved), expect to hear this guy say that it was responsible and needs to be banned. Related to the Aesthetic Stalinist (mostly the left-wing type, but if they're parroting the latest Heteronormative Crusader moral panic, it's safe to say they're right-wing), this is an early stage in becoming a Moral Guardian. Can also overlap with Genre Alien if they criticize a work for adults for having adult content. Can overlap with Everyone Is Satan in Hell if they read negative symbolism into a work that doesn't actually have it. They also tend to get into arguments over whether or not a work is OK for kids to take in.
  • The Godwin's Law Enforcer The unholy cross between a Fan Hater and a Demonizer. A hate dumb will have these guys depending on how long the work/genre/animation has been around (if it's been around that long) and who were fond of that certain work. If the work/genre/animation was liked by someone considered horrible (or whom they consider horrible), then they'll compare the fans of said work to that person. See Hitler Ate Sugar.

Someone who thinks a work is a bad influence on the audience.

    The Downvoter 
In a review site, giving a certain media an unfavorable score isn't inherently a bad thing as long as the reasoning is legitimate. Unfortunately, some of them can best be described as a cross between that of a rival fan and somebody complaining about shows they don't watch or like. As the name implies their main form of interest is to go on a review site and give any work on the same 'best' list that somehow got a higher score than the work they are a fan of a score of 0 or 1 out of 10. It does not matter to them whether or not the work is good, or even if they have seen it, the sheer fact that it scores higher on the same list is for them enough justification to give it a score that is that low. These type of haters (together with the Fan Dumb they may outbalance) can reduce the quality of a review site a lot and lots of review sites have taken measures to prevent this hatedom from doing what it does. (Lemon64 for instance, publishes below its own top 100 games list a list with the most controversial voters, which are people that gave a 1 or 2 out of 10 on the best list or 9 or 10 out of 10 on the 'worst list' in order to make it easier to see to who you should listen and to who not).
  • The Review Troll. These are people who actively go on user review sites such as or Metacritic and post 1 star reviews for pretty much anything within their respective hatedom - an action known as "review bombing". They might have never even seen/heard/played the work in question. They'll usually just post a one to three sentence "review", saying that the work sucks without really describing why. In some cases, they might even create multiple accounts posting one star reviews for the work (or works) in question just to bring down the average review score. Alternatively, on sites that allow users to rate reviews as "Helpful" or "Not Helpful," they might hit "Not Helpful" for any positive (or even average) review of the work in question, regardless of how well written or informative the review is, while hitting "Helpful" for any one star reviews they come across (even the most poorly constructed ones). They might even create one or more alternate accounts specifically to write multiple one star reviews for the same work, hit "Helpful" for one of their very own reviews or for somebody else's (usually a fellow Review Troll's) one star review. Or to hit "Not Helpful" for somebody else's five star review. Review bombing can also occur due to disagreement with a publisher's business practices, such as one-starring a game because it has DRM or microtransactions, or one-starring a book because it wasn't made available as an ebook at the same time as the hard copy was released. Needless to say, such people can seriously bring down the quality of a review page and irritate prospective buyers or actual fans of the work. These people crop up in Fan Dumb as well. Both types of Aesthetic Stalinist are infamous for this, but right-wing ones especially so, presumably hoping to manufacture evidence of a backlash against a work they see as SJW propaganda; this got so bad that Rotten Tomatoes was forced to disable pre-release user comments and make the "Want To See" metric absolute rather than a percentage.

A hater whose main shtick is giving negative reviews and/or downvoting positive reviews.

    Everything is the same 
These haters are commonly known for having a minimalistic view of fandoms they don't belong to. Sometimes, entire franchises or genres will attract these types of haters. They will pull the "It's the exact same as this"-card, sometimes without even seeing it. They sometimes have no moderate or casual likes; they view everything they aren't an outright fan of narrowly. For instance, somebody who does not like High-School dramas might view every show set in high school as being like Degrassi High. Note that, in such a case, it is possible that they like Degrassi and just think all the others are redundant (since they're the same) and thus pointless — in which case, they're likely a Rival Fan. Many times, they invoke the "They Copied It, So It Sucks!" card and accuse everything of being a ripoff of something they consider quality, even works that came out before the work they like.

Somebody who bashes a work for being "too similar" to another work.

    Fan Hater 
These cannot dislike a work and accept that it appeals to other people. How dare someone have such bad taste? They simply aren't content to live and let live. Fan Haters are prone to blindly bashing fans and stereotyping them all into one or two categories of people (example: Celebrity magazines are only bought by gay men, morbidly obese middle aged housewives, and people who need to line their bird cages). Sometimes, they might even say that people are only pretending to like the object of their contempt because they're "sheep" or whatever. These people seem to see themselves as the "Average" demographic, and when someone likes something they don't, they become unable to see why. It doesn't matter whether most of the fandom fits this description or not. Often prone to making up stories about Fan Dumb Complaining About People Not Liking the Show. Many times, these people are acting like Fan Fiction and Fan Art itself somehow affects the actual quality of what the author's writing (Many of which have never read the fanfiction in the first place) of the show.note  Fan Haters may often judge a show's quality based entirely off of its fans, whilst ignoring the other Fan Dumb of their own interests. Mentioning any of the Fandom that's not fitting this stereotype will often result in something similar to No True Scotsman. In the minds of Fan Haters, there is no such thing as Fandom. There is only Fan Dumb.

  • The Art Snob: Holy crap, look at this [insert media here]! It's got action and no drama and no symbolism! It's trash appealing to the Lowest Common Denominator and the reason (insert culture here) is turning into morons! There's no art in it! Some decry video games for "instant gratification" or music for shallow lyrics, but regardless, they'll sound like stereotypes of snobby art-house types. Sometimes, they're harder on works that are distributed for free or something they pirated like video games or movies.
  • The Hardcore Elitist is a Challenge Gamer who takes their attitude too far. They'll viciously attack games that aren't difficult enough for their taste, and will bash other gamers for being "lazy" or "entitled" if their idea of fun doesn't include spending dozens of hours getting good at a game. They're often blind to the idea that the appeal of a game can come from something else than challenge, and tend to think their accomplishments are somehow devalued if someone else gets to play a game on Easy. Often overlaps with Genre Alien and Rival Fan, as they despise entire genres for not revolving around skill. Compare and contrast "Stop Having Fun" Guys.
  • The "Mature" Snob insists that older teenagers and adults shouldn't consume works they deem too "childish" — whether it's a case of Multiple Demographic Appeal with more depth than it may seem, or it gets enjoyed because it's simply a fun way to unwind and not everything needs to be intense or complex. Often prone to conflating works accessible for kids (or even teenagers) with works that appeal solely to that group. Many of these haters are teenagers who want to seem more mature (even if the works they like are not all that mature either), though they're sometimes older. Often overlaps with the Negative Nelly ("Idealistic works are fantasies for kids, while dark and edgy works show how the world 'really' is!"), Art Snob ("Adults shouldn't waste their time on stuff I deem too lowbrow!") or both (True Art Is Angsty).
  • While it's fine to favour works that just aim to be fun, the Casual Elitist viciously attacks shows simply for not falling under their definition of "fun". If you happen to like something more challenging or highbrow, they'll accuse you of being a snob (or, for games, a tryhard) who's probably only pretending to like it to impress other snobs. They simply don't understand why someone might enjoy analysing an art film or playing a competitive Fighting Game more than they'd enjoy a "fun" superhero movie or Party Game. This is the opposite of the Art Snob and Hardcore Elitist, and often comes from backlash against their attitudes. Compare "Stop Having Fun" Guys, who hate people who don't enjoy a work in the same way as they do.

Someone who hates not only the work, but anyone who enjoys it as well.

    The Genre Alien 
The Genre Alien is a rather amusing hater, a less focused version of the Obsessed variety. They will make it clear that they utterly hate a genre, or a series. Nevertheless, they seek works in that genre out. They see examples of it and then complain how much it sucks. Interestingly, they are likely to criticize stuff that makes the genre what it is. (For instance, they might complain about kiss scenes in romance movies, blood and swearing in Die Hard, soft rock band America not being "heavy enough", or Earn Your Happy Ending in dark idealistic stories.) They may be constructive, or attempt to be constructive, but when they start complaining about Fundamental Genre tropes as "weaknesses" or suggest rewriting the show in its entirety and changing the story to fit how they would view it as an improvement, then it pretty much stops being constructive criticism and starts to veer into "Destructive Criticism" territory. This brings out a subspecies called The Mad Editor.
  • The Mad Editor: This is a subspecies of the above. This person frequently suggests a complete rewrite of the work, but they view it as improving it, even if it involves Flanderizing or excessively censoring the work, completely derailing the characters, or complete genre-shifts and abandoning the work in its entirety. This very often overlaps with the Periphery Hate Dumb. These people often break out in vicious flamewars with types of Fan Dumb, making it hard to discern who is who. Remember, constructive criticism is an attempt to tell the creator how they can do it better the way they want to, not how you want to.
  • Made The Wrong Turn: Similar to the Genre Alien, these are haters who are fans of a work that somehow directly offends their worldview or beliefs or something similar. Political conservatives who are fans of Star Trek or Stephen Colbert, for example, or homophobes that find themselves fans of Queen or X Japan, or fundamentalist Christians who somehow like Supernatural or Harry Potter. Often overlaps with the Mad Editor (in that they will deny or change elements of the work that upset their personal morals, even if that's the point of the work), the Aesthetic Stalinist (in that they will rail at whatever is offending them and the fans that are okay with it), the Demonizer, and/or the Mad Homophobe. Will become an Installment Hater if they notice these aspects in newer installments.

People who complain about the fundamental aspects of a work (for instance, saying a comedy movie has "too much humour" in it).

    The Hate Monger 
A kind of Hate Dumb that exists around specific characters within a work. They may or may not be a fan of that work itself, but they will not tolerate the existence of the specific characters at all. Whenever the character is even put into focus, the hater will be the first to cry "Spotlight-Stealing Squad!" Even if they are right about the character taking too much screentime, their hatred of that character impairs their common sense. They will not allow the character to have fans if they can help it. Hate Mongers have also been known to call "Wangst" (or a synonym thereof) on someone being justifiably sad. They may write fanfiction of the work which exaggerates the traits that the hater hates about them, exaggerates the other characters' dislike of them, and/or inflicts misery on them. Sometimes, the Hate Monger is a bitter result of Die for Our Ship or Fandom Rivalry around a specific character, hating a character because they want to see more of one they like or because they want their love interest to hook up with a different character from the object of hate. Someone who tends to be made a Draco in Leather Pants is also a frequent target, even if the voice of moderation tries to speak up. The Scrappy is a common target by definition. Newcomers (especially kids) may be targeted and blamed for the show jumping the shark. The Hate Monger may also be a character-specific Fan Hater and make claims like "All of this character's fans only like [him/her] because they find [him/her] hot!", "These people only like this character because they're glad to be getting representation!" or "Only kids like this character!". Often a subset of The Mad Bride/Groom, as pairings and OTPs tend to have someone lose out.
  • The Mad Homophobe: A type of Hate Monger who frequently throws around accusations of homosexuality, mostly Gay. Typically, this is the first thing they say about a character, that they are gay with little justification. Someone is best friends with a member of the same sex? They're gay lovers. Someone isn't interested in romance? They're gay. Someone is asexual? They're gay. Someone is masculine? They're gay. Guy is Bishounen? He's gay. Anyone was portrayed as gay by fans? They're canonically gay. Often bizarre versions of Love Makes You Hateful — they'll be fine with any romance as long as it's not gay. If it is — oops, not for kids, or HOLY FUCK NOT CANON!!
  • The Mad Heterophobe: Like the Mad Homophobe, they're convinced that everyone is gay. Unlike them, they consider this to be a good thing. They tend to take a Het is Ew stance; any heterosexual pairing that becomes canon carries with it accusations of queer-baiting, even if the subtext for their preferred pairing existed mostly in their heads.
  • Love Makes You Hateful: A mutation of The Mad Bride/Groom, these are usually self-proclaimed ex-fans who Rage Quit fandom when their favorite pairing was sunk, or worse, made fun of — whether or not the creator actually insulted pairings or not. Hate Fic, Die for Our Ship, all those good fandom-ruining stereotypes can be traced back to these brand of crazies.
  • The Grudge Holder: Some Hate Mongers will hate a character solely because of something they did once. It doesn't matter that they never did it again, even if they apologised and/or vowed not to do it again, the bad thing they did was in an episode that can be skipped over, or even if the whole point of the story was that the thing the character did was bad and they atone for it, the Grudge Hater still hates the character for it. This may overlap with the Fan Dumb type "Mad Protector" if the bad thing was mistreating another character whom the Grudge Holder likes. On this wiki, Grudge Holders will often shoehorn their hated characters into tropes like Abusive Parents, Domestic Abuse, and Hypocrite based on the one thing they did.

A hater whose hate centres around a specific character.

    He Panned It Now It Sucks 
Similar to the Bandwagon Hater, except it's done more out of because someone they're a fan of hated it, than out of a desire to fit in — which means that this hater takes it far more seriously than the bandwagon hater does. If the Creator in question mentions that they hate something, then this person will immediately and loudly proclaim their hatred of it regardless of how they felt about it before. Never tell this type of fan that you enjoy both the creator's work and the work that the creator hates. If you do, then the worst of these haters will fly off the handle and assert that you can't be a true fan of the creator and still enjoy the other work. Common with fanbases of Caustic Critics.

Someone who only bashes a work because someone they're a fan of hated it.

    Hipster Hater 
An obsessed hater that insists that their obsession with the object of their hate is "ironic", or insist that any work which becomes mainstream has "sold out" and cannot be True Art: if it's popular, it sucks. They cannot be an acknowledged fan to a popular work, so they are this instead. This tends to overlap with business hatred, too. Many of these guys will buy alternate brand names or other such stuff to "Stick it to the man". Expect many of these people to complain about businesses trying to make a profit, such as saying it is "unforgivable" that businesses *gasp* have terms of service or ask money for their works. Corporate creators have no problems with this sort of Hate Dumb, either.

A person who hates a work for being too popular.

    The Installment Hater 
These people don't usually hate a serial work itself (although they might stop liking it if they take their hate far enough) but they do hate an installment of it, for instance a book in a series, an episode of a TV show, or a sequel (common because sequels have a bad reputation). While it's obviously fine to dislike an installment while liking the work as a whole, these people go next-level on it. They may spend more time complaining about this installment than they spend liking the rest of the work, even if it's the kind of work they can easily re-experience while skipping their hated installment (especially if it was later rendered non-canon because it sucked so much). They often make exaggerated claims that the installment "ruined" the work or a character. For instance, if a character behaves out-of-character, they might make theories about how their out-of-character personality is their real one and their normal personality is a lie, and if the out-of-character behaviour involves being defeated too easily, they'll often cry Badass Decay. If the installment started an Audience-Alienating Era or even killed the franchise, that can justify hate — but only to some degree. These haters may go on and on and on about how bad the Audience Alienating Era was long after it's over and it's clear that the creators have learned from their mistakes, or they may insist that the questionable quality of the last installment is solely responsible for the death of the franchise even when there were other factors at play. Like the Review Troll, this type often overlaps with Aesthetic Stalinist because right-wing Aesthetic Stalinists see even token attempts to reflect changing societal attitudes as pandering to SJWs, even if the progressive values they're whining about date back to the "real" installments.
  • Closely related to the Entry Hater, who hates a certain entry in a franchise. A common example is the hater who hates a spin-off for being a spin-off, even if it has absolutely no effect on the rest of the franchise. They're often prone to saying, "They Changed It, Now It Sucks!".

A person who likes a work, but hates a certain installment of it.

    The Negative Nelly 
These people are similar to the Edgelords on Fan Dumb, but they don't like the show. They're the ones who claim that the work is bad because it's too positive, often claiming it's too saccharine and/or "for babies". They might demand that the writers make it darker so that it's more "realistic" or "mature", even though their ideas for "improving" it may amount to something like "make it oversexualized, add gratuitous violence and give it a blindly nihilistic tone". Can overlap with Genre Alien if they actively seek out idealistic works to complain about their lack of "maturity". They can also be Art Snobs if they think a comedy is "mindless entertainment". If one character is very positive, they'll often be Hate Mongers, claiming that the character is "useless comic relief" and/or "overly happy". They might also claim the show is "cruel" because of Slapstick.

Someone who hates a show for being too cheerful or comedic.

    Nostalgia Filter 
The idea that modern works are automatically inferior to the stuff from the past. This is so common that we have a trope for it. These haters will trash on the modern stuff and idealize the stuff they liked when they were younger, because it's skewed through the years that they only remember the good parts — not the fact that there was a Periphery Hatedom for something that was marketed to them at age six, and not the fact that even adults were criticising it for the same reasons they criticize the modern stuff. For a more in-depth discussion, check the article, but this is an unfortunate type because it's so propagated and encouraged in fandom.
  • The opposite is Nostalgia Inversion, when Hype Backlash (often as a result of the above Nostalgia Filter) and Once Original, Now Common mix. While it's okay to think an old work hasn't aged well, this hater doesn't even try to make allowance for it. They can't (or won't) put themselves in the correct mindset to watch a work made before its genre got deconstructed, or they expect special effects to look the same in the '50s as in the '00s. They ignore that a work that seems unoriginal nowadays can still have a lot of historical value. They may attack the work's creators for using a trope that would later be overused, or for not using technology they didn't have access to. In some cases, the hater doesn't even seem to realize that the work wasn't made in the present day.

A hater who hates newer works.

    The Obsessed Hater 
They hate the show. They hate every one of the 42 hours per week they spend watching it. They hate every one of the 49 hours per week they spend blogging about it. They hate the crappy merchandise and only buy it all so that they can get a deeper knowledge of the many ways it's bad... It's the opposite of "Complaining about works one didn't take in". Being informed about a work so one can make informed and constructive criticism is a good thing, but this hater takes it overboard by spending more time obsessing over their object of hate than the fans do in liking it. Expect some of these haters to use the Insane Troll Logic that somehow, because this show is still on, it affects the quality of the shows that they like. Corporate creators love this kind of Hate Dumb better than a lukewarm fandom — it's more profitable, and gives them free advertisement. They spread the show word of mouth — 4ngryN3rdR4nt$69 says that this show is the worst thing ever created in human history, people go to see how bad it really is... and they stick around because it turns out to be genuinely decent with, at worst, minor problems that this self-styled critic was blowing way out of proportion. Plus, buying all of a show's merch just to destroy it isn't the diss that the Obsessed Hater thinks it is — the Hater still has to pay money to get that merch. Companies generally don't care about what you do with their products after you've bought them, since they've already got your money. Any attempt to get one-up on a company by destroying their products after buying them will usually be met with mockery as the company laughs all the way to the bank. Don't, under any circumstances, pull the Don't Like? Don't Read! card on this hater — while this is a rare instance where that line actually has merit, saying it to an obsessed hater will probably get you an "Oh, but if you don't like my obsessing over this show I hate, then you can just ignore it!". This kind of hater is the equivalent of a retail customer who claims that they're never shopping at a store ever again, yet keeps coming back time after time.
  • I Was Just Passing Through: Obsessed haters who claim, not just that they hate the show, but that they've found something better. Yet, no matter what, they are true to their original Hate Dumb despite the new show. Their perverse attachment to the old hated work is often stronger than that to the show they claim to be a fan of — assuming they aren't Gushing About Shows They Don't Watch. These customers are like the above, but they make sure to let you know that your competitors are better... yet for some reason, keep going back to you. Very common in MMOs where you'll see somebody raving about how much better some other MMO is.
  • The Revenge Troll: This is a hater who is hate-obsessed indeed, but they appear to have taken their hatred to personal levels. This may overlap with the Author Haters as well. Expect them to constantly wish for the work's demise, or for the author to retire, obsessing about it like they want revenge on something. They may often misblame the object of their hatred to have caused their favourite show to be canceled, or act more like the show or the author snuck into their house at night and murdered their family while they slept. However, in the more extreme examples, some people will even cross the Moral Event Horizon, wishing not just cancellation on the show, but wishing for the author or the creators and/or writers of the shownote  to have terrible things happen to them in real life. This is even more off-putting because they are wishing this on other real people, not just characters from fiction. The ones who take it that far often overlap with the Internet Tough Guy (what better way to creep people out than to intentionally threaten or publicly wish harm on another human being?).
  • The Chronic Flouncer: They are so done with the show, and they will tell you so with an epic post detailing just how much they hate it now and how much better the first season was, capping their post with a seemingly final goodbye to everyone because have we mentioned that they are completely and utterly done with this terrible show? They're dunzo. Finished. Over it. Until next week, at least, when they're back to complain yet again about the next episode, which they took the time to watch, then complain bitterly about its terrible quality. Afterwards, they announce yet again that they are done for really, really, real this time! Don't get too comfortable with their absence, because they'll be back not only for next week's episode but for the next season as well, which they will, of course, vow in their weekly farewell address to not watch even at gunpoint.
  • I Can Do Better: This Obsessed Hater variety usually belongs to the 20s-30s age group and loves to tell you how the show sucks, its writers are idiots, and how they can write it well or create something else that's better. To illustrate their hate they like to constantly point at the perceived flaws of the show and overtly compare them to other works (even when they're completely different genres, styles or media), while they'll flaunt the fanfic they've posted (or in some rare cases, their self-published book) or the writing lessons they took or, heck, even their desire to become writers as "proof" of their writing competence. Expect them to linger on the show's fan message boards every time a new installment is released, constantly talking down to the creators of the show as if they're on the same level of success and prestige.

Somebody who obsesses over a hated work to ludicrous extremes.

    Pop Culture Snob 
The opposite of the Hipster Hater, they actively avoid anything outside a narrow range of popular shows, taking the Quality by Popular Vote mentality to the extreme. Anything foreign is "too weird." Anything Sci Fi is meaningless and geeky. Anything over five years old is "for old people". Anything involving an animal must be childish or yiff. Anything animated is for little kids (unless it's something like Family Guy, The Simpsons, or South Park). The inverse of It's Popular, Now It Sucks!. Their battle cry is It's Unpopular, So It Sucks. Needless to say, this type of hater is found mostly within the 12-19 year old crowd and is pretty uncommon elsewhere. Related to the Casual Elitist.

The opposite of a Hipster Hater; someone who hates a work for being too *un*popular, or too unconventional.

    The Purist 
One of the most wide encompassing forms of Hate Dumb, and arguably, an unholy abomination of multiple kinds of Haters rolled into one entitled person. Purists have an ideal vision on how a franchise can go, but sometimes, Purists can go several steps beyond just having an ideal view of a franchise. The Purist can also have an idealized view of the fandom of a particular franchise, and even in worst cases, the entire market. Naturally, many of these guys tend to hate franchises based solely off of the fans themselves, often citing the fandom as one of the reasons they dislike a franchise, sometimes not even giving it a chance. The Purist also does not stop at just hating fans, but also, they believe that they are the centre (and largest contributer) of the entire market, thus, any and all executive decisions should not be made without consulting them first. Any new demographic being brought into the market, or a simple shift in demographic will not only get the Fan Dumb crying, but also the haters, because they will hate these newcomers to the market with almost every passion of their being. Because The Purist has a very idealised vision of their own fandom; naturally, they are often the type to declare new fans to "not be true fans" of the series, any new entries to "not be true entries". VERY prone to They Changed It, Now It Sucks!-type arguments. There are also versions of the Purist who will simply point out any shift/expansion in demographic to be a reason why it sucks. Amongst long essays about how new Johnny-Come-Latelys have ruined the market/fandom/show forever, as well as how it was better when it wasn't popular, also expect Slippery Slope type arguments about why it is bad, and how they expect Follow the Leader to come against them. (Once more, mentioning a similar argument about any Follow the Leader type stuff against your interests will not be responded to, at best, or countered with an essay on how wrong you are and how you have no taste, if not a Hand Wave.)

A person who used to like a work, but grew to hate it due to the work not matching their ideal view of it.

    The Rival Fan 
This hater loves a work. Just... not this one. They belong to some fandom with a long-standing rivalry with the work they don't like. They tend to insist that the object of their hate is a shoddy knockoff of their show, even when it's completely different. They also insist that No True Fan of their show could ever like both their show and the show they hate. These guys may often invoke accusations of other works attempting to ride on their show's popularity or success. This overlaps with Fan Dumb. It can also happen within fandoms. Compare the haters who think everything is the same; they could perhaps be called twin Hate Dumb.
  • Overlapping very heavily with this is the Hypocrite Fan. This type of fan is from Fandom Rivalry more often than not, but they often hate trait(s) of other shows/genres, but at the same time, their own work does the exact same thing, too.
  • One common Rival Fan is the fan of a different version of the work, often a fan of the source material for the adaptation. They tend to hold a grudge against the adaptation for every change it makes from the original (whether necessary or unnecessary). Take, for example, the rabid fan of Pygmalion who bears a grudge against My Fair Lady for being a musical romance instead of a social satire. Naturally, this tends to overlap with Pop Culture Snob (books are always better than moving pictures!) and Preemptive Hater (I saw a photo of the film shoot in Cinemafangique, I knew all along they were going to ruin the book!) Also overlaps with the Hardcore Elitist, who will attack a game for being more accessible than its predecessor(s).

Somebody who loves one work but hates another, and frequently compares the two works.

    The Science Snob/Armchair Historian 
People with a Willing Suspension of Disbelief thinner than a razor. One "inaccuracy" or dramatization for the sake of pacing or story will cause them to declare the show a pile of unwatchable dreck and "not properly researched", regardless of whether or not they did the research themselves and watched the damn media in question. Very commonly blind to Acceptable Breaks from Reality, and may often be found complaining about "unrealistic" aspects of a media... despite the media having things like flying in space without a pressurized suit, involving alien ghosts controlled by a reality-warping AI fighting physics-defying transforming monsters, or telekinesis/magic and dragons flying around. A notable subset of this are firearms and weapons fans— just ask mystery writers. Another subset overlaps with the Right-Wing Aesthetic Stalinist, complaining that having non-white, LGBT, or Action Girl characters in a Medieval European Fantasy show is "unrealistic", while ignoring the presence of elves, wizards, dragons, etc., which implies that these fantastical beings are somehow "realistic".

A person who excessively complains about inaccuracies in a work of fiction.

    "Stop Having Fun" Guys 
The "Stop Having Fun" Guys will insist that everyone else is doing it wrong. They not only hate the other fans who enjoy it a specific way, but will also insult other haters. These people are often known for having very specific single-issue criteria when they pick something new, which causes them to have ridiculously high standards. In the worst cases, they'll join a Hatedom because the work they tried to be a fan of was too...different from what they normally like; instead of trying to adapt, they claim it to be crap and that everyone who likes it doesn't know what true fun is. Some of these people will go on tangents explaining one situation they had with a game and then insisting the entire game is like that. Many times; the hatred of new editions, updates, or sequels consist of these people who complain about how the developers are "punishing skill" amongst other things because they assessed widely exploited glitches and shortcomings. Read the article for some more specific examples.

People who hate a work at least in part because they think the fans, or even other haters, are "doing it wrong" somehow.

    Undercover Fans 
These are not truly haters, but rather fans, who appeal to the large Hatedom of their object of obsession in order to spread the word. They will derail every thread, come up with the lamest of jokes and in general, will do anything to put the alleged object of their hate into the center of attention. Fan Haters will generally take the bait, and what was before a previously completely unrelated topic will now be derailed into a discussion over how horrible that certain thing is. Not only does the corporate world love these guys, some of them are actually corporate agents themselves, actively involved in viral marketing.

People who pretend to hate a work they actually enjoy.

    The Willfully Blind 
Yes, these exist in Hate Dumb too. Similar to the willfully blind in Fan Dumb, the Hate Dumb variety will refuse to acknowledge any potential strengths or possibly even anything that was done correctly. The willfully blind may also try and convince everyone else to Hand Wave the strengths because they do not exist. They are prone to Accentuate the Negative arguments or reviews. Sometimes, they may have a single issue about the work and hate it solely because of that — usually because they stopped watching afterwards. Expect even in-depth reviews written by this hater to discuss only the parts they know and can't stand. Even if the production staff ran every decision by them, they would complain about how they "weren't asked enough". No matter what, the willfully blind will fixate on a single flaw or any weaknesses.

Haters who ignore anything positive about the object of their hate.