History Main / HateDumb

Hate Dumb is the polar opposite of {{fan dumb}}. It always exists — where there is fan dumb, there is hate dumb.

''Somebody who hates certain works because they want more of what they like instead.''

These people don't usually hate a serial work itself (although they might stop liking it if they take their hate far enough) but they do hate an installment of it, for instance a book in a series, an episode of a TV show, or a sequel (common because [[{{Sequelitis}} sequels have a bad reputation]]). While it's obviously fine to dislike an installment while liking the work as a whole, these people go next-level on it. They may spend more time complaining about this installment than they spend liking the rest of the work, even if it's the kind of work they can easily re-experience while skipping their hated installment (especially if it was later [[CanonDiscontinuity rendered non-canon]] because it sucked so much). They often make exaggerated claims that the installment "ruined" the work or a character. For instance, if a character [[OutOfCharacterMoment behaves out-of-character]], they might make [[EpilepticTrees theories]] about how their out-of-character personality is their real one and their normal personality is a lie, and if the out-of-character behaviour involves [[TheWorfEffect being defeated too easily]], they'll often cry BadassDecay. If the installment started an AudienceAlienatingEra or even [[FranchiseKiller killed the franchise]], that can justify hate -- but only to some degree. These haters may go on and on and on about how bad the Dork Age was long after it's over and it's clear that the creators have learned from their mistakes, or they may insist that the questionable quality of the last installment is solely responsible for the death of the franchise even when there were other factors at play. Like the Review Troll, this type often overlaps with Aesthetic Stalinist because right-wing Aesthetic Stalinists see even token attempts to reflect changing societal attitudes as pandering to [=SJWs=], [[NostalgiaFilter even if the progressive values they're whining about date back to the "real" installments]].

** The opposite is '''Nostalgia Inversion''', when HypeBacklash (often as a result of the above Nostalgia Filter) and SeinfeldIsUnfunny mix. While it's okay to think an old work hasn't aged well, this hater doesn't even try to make allowance for it. They can't (or won't) put themselves in the correct mindset to watch a work made before its [[GenreDeconstruction genre got deconstructed]], or they expect special effects to look the same in the '50s as in the '00s. They ignore that a work with a bad case of "Seinfeld" Is Unfunny can still have a lot of historical value. They may attack the work's creators for using a trope that would later be overused, or for not using technology they didn't have access to. In some cases, the hater doesn't even seem to ''realize'' that the work wasn't made in the present day.

** '''The Review Troll'''. These are people who actively go on user review sites such as Amazon.com or Metacritic and post 1 star reviews for pretty much anything within their respective hatedom - an action known as "review bombing". They might have never even seen/heard/played the work in question. They'll usually just post a one to three sentence "review", [[Administrivia/ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontLike saying that the work sucks without really describing why.]] In some cases, they might even create multiple accounts posting one star reviews for the work (or works) in question just to bring down the average review score. Alternatively, on sites that allow users to rate reviews as "Helpful" or "Not Helpful," they might hit "Not Helpful" for any positive (or even average) review of the work in question, regardless of how well written or informative the review is, while hitting "Helpful" for any one star reviews they come across (even the most poorly constructed ones). They might even create one or more alternate accounts specifically to write multiple one star reviews for the same work, hit "Helpful" for one of their very own reviews or for somebody else's (usually a fellow Review Troll's) one star review. Or to hit "Not Helpful" for somebody else's five star review. Needless to say, such people can seriously bring down the quality of a review page and irritate prospective buyers or actual fans of the work. These people crop up in FanDumb as well. Both types of Aesthetic Stalinist are infamous for this, but right-wing ones '''especially''' so, presumably hoping to manufacture evidence of a backlash against a work they see as SJW propaganda; this got so bad that Website/RottenTomatoes [[https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/article/making-some-changes/ was forced to disable pre-release user comments and make the "Want To See" metric absolute rather than a percentage]].

People with a WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief thinner than a razor. One "inaccuracy" or dramatization for the sake of pacing or story will cause them to declare the show a pile of unwatchable dreck and "not properly researched", regardless of whether or not they did the research themselves and watched the damn media in question. Very commonly blind to AcceptableBreaksFromReality, and may often be found complaining about "unrealistic" aspects of a media... despite the media having things like [[BatmanCanBreatheInSpace flying in space without a pressurized suit]], involving alien ghosts controlled by a reality-warping AI fighting physics-defying transforming monsters, or {{telekinesis}}[=/=]magic and dragons flying around. A notable subset of this are firearms and weapons fans-- just ask mystery writers.

They hate the show. They hate every one of the 42 hours per week they spend watching it. They hate every one of the 49 hours per week they spend blogging about it. They hate the crappy merchandise and only buy it all so that they can get a deeper knowledge of the many ways it's bad... It's the opposite of "Complaining about works one didn't take in". Being informed about the work so one isn't blindly complaining [[Administrivia/TropesAreTools is a good thing,]] but this hater takes it overboard by spending more time obsessing over their object of hate than the fans do in liking it. Expect some of these haters to use the InsaneTrollLogic that somehow, ''because'' this show is still on, it affects the quality of the shows that ''they'' like. Corporate creators love this kind of Hate Dumb better than a lukewarm fandom — it's more profitable, and [[NoSuchThingAsBadPublicity gives them free advertisement]]. They spread the show word of mouth, people actually see it to see how bad it really is... and they stick around because it turns out to be genuinely decent with, at worst, minor problems that [=4ngryN3rdR4nt$69=] is blowing way out of proportion. Plus, buying all of a show's toys just to destroy them isn't the diss than an Obsessed Hater thinks it is -- the Hater still has to pay money to get those toys, which means he's turning a profit for the object of his ire. Don't, under any circumstances, pull the DontLikeDontRead card on them-- while this is a rare instance where that line actually has merit, saying it to an obsessed hater will probably get you an "[[NoYou Oh, but if you don't like my obsessing over this show I hate, then you can just ignore it]]!". In a nutshell, this is the kind of person who claims to have been lost as a customer, yet they keep buying from you again and again. Sometimes they even bring in ''new'' customers who try out of BileFascination and discover CriticalBacklash instead.

The opposite of the Hipster Hater, they actively avoid anything outside a narrow range of popular shows. [[QuirkyWork Anything foreign is "too weird."]] [[SciFiGhetto Anything Sci Fi is meaningless and geeky]]. Anything over five years old is "for old people". Anything involving an animal must be childish or {{yiff}}. [[AnimationAgeGhetto Anything animated is for little kids]] (unless it's [[AnimatedShockComedy something like]] ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'', ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'', or ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark''). The inverse of ItsPopularNowItSucks. Their battle cry is '''It's Unpopular, So It Sucks'''. Needless to say, this type of hater is found mostly within the 12-19 year old crowd and is pretty uncommon elsewhere. Related to the '''Casual Elitist'''.

The opposite of the Hipster Hater, they actively avoid anything outside a narrow range of popular shows. [[WidgetSeries Anything foreign is "too weird."]] [[SciFiGhetto Anything Sci Fi is meaningless and geeky]]. Anything over five years old is "for old people". Anything involving an animal must be childish or {{yiff}}. [[AnimationAgeGhetto Anything animated is for little kids]] (unless it's [[AnimatedShockComedy something like]] ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'', ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'', or ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark''). The inverse of ItsPopularNowItSucks. Their battle cry is '''It's Unpopular, So It Sucks'''. Needless to say, this type of hater is found mostly within the 12-19 year old crowd and is pretty uncommon elsewhere. Related to the '''Casual Elitist'''.

** '''The Grudge Holder''': Some Hate Mongers will hate a character [[NeverLiveItDown solely because of something they did once]]. It doesn't matter that they never did it again, even if they apologised and/or vowed not to do it again, the bad thing they did was in an episode that can be skipped over, or even if ''the whole point of the story was that the thing the character did was bad and they atone for it'', the Grudge Hater still hates the character for it. This may overlap with the FanDumb type "Mad Protector" if the bad thing was mistreating another character who the Grudge Holder likes. On this wiki, Grudge Holders will often shoehorn their hated characters into tropes like AbusiveParents, DomesticAbuse, and {{Hypocrite}} based on the one thing they did.

People with a WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief thinner than a razor. One "inaccuracy" or dramatization for the sake of pacing or story will cause them to declare the show a pile of unwatchable dreck and "not properly researched", regardless of whether or not they did the research themselves and watched the damn media in question. Very commonly blind to AcceptableBreaksFromReality, and may often be found complaining about "unrealistic" aspects of a media... despite the media having things like [[BatmanCanBreatheInSpace flying in space without a pressurized suit]], involving alien ghosts controlled by a reality-warping AI fighting physics-defying transforming monsters, or {{telekinesis}}[=/=]magic and dragons flying around.

These haters are commonly known for having a minimalistic view of fandoms they don't belong to. Sometimes, entire franchises or genres will attract these types of haters. They will pull the "It's the exact same as this"-card, sometimes without even seeing it. They sometimes have no moderate or casual likes; they view ''everything'' they aren't an outright fan of narrowly. For instance, somebody who does ''not'' like High-School dramas might view every show set in high school as being like ''Series/{{DegrassiHigh}}''. Note that, in such a case, it is possible that they ''like'' ''Degrassi'' and just think all the others are redundant (since they're the same) and thus pointless -- in which case, they're likely a '''Rival Fan'''. Many times, they invoke the "TheyCopiedItSoItSucks" card and accuse ''everything'' of being a ripoff of something they consider quality, even works that came out [[OlderThanTheyThink before the work they like]].

These haters are commonly known for having a minimalistic view of fandoms they don't belong to. Sometimes, entire franchises or genres will attract these types of haters. They will pull the "It's the exact same as this"-card, sometimes without even seeing it. They sometimes have no moderate or casual likes; they view ''everything'' they aren't an outright fan of narrowly. For instance, somebody who does ''not'' like High-School dramas might view every show set in high school as being like ''Series/{{Degrassi}}''. Note that, in such a case, it is possible that they ''like'' ''Degrassi'' and just think all the others are redundant (since they're the same) and thus pointless -- in which case, they're likely a '''Rival Fan'''. Many times, they invoke the "TheyCopiedItSoItSucks" card and accuse ''everything'' of being a ripoff of something they consider quality, even works that came out [[OlderThanTheyThink before the work they like]].

Opposes this work, but only as long as it's the trendy thing to do. This hater is always on the lookout for AcceptableTargets, not because they truly hate them, but because it's fun to complain and [[LonersAreFreaks no fun to do it alone.]] Sometimes, the Bandwagon Hater will ''like'' the AcceptableTargets but deny having anything but hate towards it. More often than not, these people may have even been ''fans'' of the show, especially in shows where it was trendy to like it, but then it became trendy to ''hate'' it. A very good way of spotting this if any CausticCritic releases a scathing review, or if the majority of a fanbase or popular forum hates it, even if they had previously liked the work, and afterwards, start carbon-copying their opinions, sometimes ''word for word''. In extreme cases, they may have no opinions of their own. The inverse happens in FanDumb, as well. This is what the page quote essentially describes; the person who hates something not because they genuinely dislike it, but because the "cool kids" told them to.

* '''The [[StrawCritic Art Snob]]''': Holy crap, look at this [insert media here]! It's got action and no drama and no symbolism! It's trash appealing to the LowestCommonDenominator and the reason (insert culture here) is turning into morons! There's no art in it! Some decry video games for "instant gratification" or music for shallow lyrics, but regardless, they'll sound like stereotypes of snobby art-house types. They're particularly condescending and harsh towards adults who dare to like something that isn't highbrow enough for them. Sometimes, they're harder on works that are [[ComplainingAboutThingsYouHaventPaidFor distributed for free]] or something they pirated like video games or movies.

People with a WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief thinner than a razor. One "inaccuracy" or dramatization for the sake of pacing or story will cause them to declare the show a pile of unwatchable dreck and "not properly researched", regardless of whether or not they [[DanBrowned did the research themselves and watched the damn media in question]]. Very commonly blind to AcceptableBreaksFromReality, and may often be found complaining about "unrealistic" aspects of a media... despite the media having things like [[BatmanCanBreatheInSpace flying in space without a pressurized suit]], involving alien ghosts controlled by a reality-warping AI fighting physics-defying transforming monsters, or {{telekinesis}}[=/=]magic and dragons flying around.

Being aware of the political subtexts, or outright texts, of works you enjoy isn't a ''bad'' thing (mostly); neither is being aware of a creator's politics, especially when they start releasing uncomfortable {{Author Tract}}s that are impossible to judge non-politically or decide to aggressively push their views outside of their work. The issue with The Aesthetic Stalinist is that they judge artistic works chiefly, or entirely, according to their approval of what they see as their political texts or subtexts. Despite the name, this can apply to any political ideology because it's not about specific ideology but an unwillingness to see beyond politics--to use science as an example, though UsefulNotes/JosefStalin hobbled Soviet biology by falling for Lysenkoism because Darwinian evolution was seen as bourgeois, ThoseWackyNazis ''also'' hobbled their science community with ''Deutsche Physik'' because UsefulNotes/AlbertEinstein, who developed the Theory of Relativity, was Jewish. For the purposes of this page, they will be divided into left-wing, who object to minority characters having flaws, and right-wing, who object to minority characters existing ''at all''. Both types overlap with the Bandwagon Hater and the Review Troll, but as minority, LGBT, and even disability representation improves, right-wing types are becoming more visible.\\\
'''Left-wing:''' Most frequently, the left-wing Aesthetic Stalinist will be particularly sensitive to any depiction of a woman or minority that doesn't meet their impossibly high standards and condemn the work as hateful and bigoted, sometimes [[ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontWatch without even taking the time to look into the work and see their full characterization]]. If the character is portrayed as [[HateSink unlikable]] or [[MoralEventHorizon explicitly evil and unsympathetic]], or even makes a TragicMistake, expect people like this to jump to wild conclusions about the supposed UnfortunateImplications that often don't exist, and condemn the creator of the work themselves while citing their perceptions as proof said creator is bigoted, even if [[OffendingTheCreatorsOwn the creator themself]] or '''one of the heroes''' is a member of the relevant group. As an unintended consequence of this behavior, the left-wing Aesthetic Stalinist is partially responsible for the existence of the FlawlessToken trope; creators wary of these folks may resort to writing women/minorities as flat, boring characters with no flaws whatsoever (or at least none that might make them be perceived in any negative way), as it is the type of portrayal least likely to anger them. At the most extreme, the creator may not bother to include any minorities ''at all'' just to play it safe. On the rare occasion one of these people finds a character which meets their standards, they will protect that character like their only child. Any criticism of said character will lead to the critic being dismissed as a bigot, even if their criticisms had nothing to do with the character's minority status. Alternatively, the more extreme version may accuse the creator of a work with positively-depicted minority characters of being a hypocritical or cowardly centrist or "shitlib" for seeking "diversity points" without making the work sufficiently explicit and aggressive in its attack on patriarchal white supremacist capitalism or call for a socialist or anarchist revolution.\\\

* '''The [[StrawCritic Art Snob]]''': Holy crap, look at this [insert media here]! It's got action and no drama and no symbolism! It's trash appealing to the LowestCommonDenominator and the reason (insert culture here) is turning into morons! There's no art in it! Some decry video games for "instant gratification" or music for shallow lyrics, but regardless, they'll sound like stereotypes of snobby art-house types. Sometimes, these guys are even ''more'' harsh on works that are [[ComplainingAboutThingsYouHaventPaidFor distributed for free]] or something they pirated like video games or movies.

* The '''Hardcore Elitist''' is a ChallengeGamer who takes their attitude too far. They'll viciously attack games that aren't difficult enough for their taste, and will bash other gamers for being "lazy" or "entitled" if their idea of fun doesn't include spending dozens of hours getting good at a game. They're often blind to the idea that the appeal of a game can come from something else than challenge, and tend to think their accomplishments are somehow devalued if someone else gets to play a game on Easy. Often overlaps with '''Genre Alien''' and '''Rival Fan''', as they despise entire genres for not revolving around skill. Compare ''

* While it's fine to favour works that just aim to be fun, the '''Casual Elitist''' viciously attacks shows simply for not falling under their definition of "fun". If you happen to like something more challenging or highbrow, they'll accuse you of being a snob (or, for games, a tryhard) who's probably only pretending to like it to impress other snobs. They simply don't understand why someone might enjoy analysing an art film or playing a competitive FightingGame more than they'd enjoy a "fun" superhero movie or PartyGame. This is the opposite of the '''Art Critic''' and '''Hardcore Elitist''', and often comes from backlash against their attitudes. Compare '''"Stop Having Fun" Guys''', who hate people who don't enjoy a work in the same way as they do.

* '''The [[StrawCritic Art Critic]]''': Holy crap, look at this [insert media here]! It's got action and no drama and no symbolism! It's trash appealing to the LowestCommonDenominator and the reason (insert culture here) is turning into morons! There's no art in it! Some decry video games for "instant gratification" or music for shallow lyrics, but regardless, they'll sound like stereotypes of snobby art-house types. Sometimes, these guys are even ''more'' harsh on works that are [[ComplainingAboutThingsYouHaventPaidFor distributed for free]] or something they pirated like video games or movies.
* The '''Hardcore Elitist''' is a ChallengeGamer who takes their attitude too far. They'll viciously attack games that aren't difficult enough for their taste, and will bash other gamers for being "lazy" or "entitled" if their idea of fun doesn't include spending dozens of hours getting good at a game. They're often blind to the idea that the appeal of a game can come from something else than challenge, and tend to think their accomplishments are somehow devalued if someone else gets to play a game on Easy. Often overlaps with '''Genre Alien''' and '''Rival Fan''', as they despise entire genres for not revolving around skill.

These people are similar to the Edgelords on FanDumb, but they don't like the show. They're the ones who claim that the work is bad because it's too positive, often claiming it's [[SweetnessAversion too saccharine]] and/or "[[SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids for babies]]". They might demand that the writers make it darker so that it's more "realistic" or "mature", even though their ideas for "improving" it may amount to something like "make it oversexualized, add gratuitous violence and give it a blindly nihilistic tone". Can overlap with Genre Alien if they actively seek out idealistic works to complain about their lack of "maturity". They can also be Art Critics if they think a comedy is "mindless entertainment". If one character is very positive, they'll often be Hate Mongers, claiming that the character is "useless comic relief" and/or "overly happy". They might also claim the show is "cruel" because of {{Slapstick}}.

The opposite of the Hipster Hater, they actively avoid anything outside a narrow range of popular shows. [[WidgetSeries Anything foreign is "too weird."]] [[SciFiGhetto Anything Sci Fi is meaningless and geeky]]. Anything over five years old is "for old people". Anything involving an animal must be childish or {{yiff}}. [[AnimationAgeGhetto Anything animated is for little kids]] (unless it's [[AnimatedShockComedy something like]] ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'', ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'', or ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark''). The inverse of ItsPopularNowItSucks. Their battle cry is '''It's Unpopular, So It Sucks'''. Needless to say, this type of hater is found mostly within the 12-19 year old crowd and is pretty uncommon elsewhere.

* A related species of hater is the '''Casual Elitist'''. While it's fine to favour works that just aim to be fun, this person viciously attacks shows simply for not falling under their definition of "fun". If you happen to like something more challenging or highbrow, they'll accuse you of being a snob (or, for games, a tryhard) who's probably only pretending to like it to impress other snobs. They simply don't understand why someone might enjoy analysing an art film or playing a competitive FightingGame more than they'd enjoy a "fun" superhero movie or PartyGame. This is the opposite of the '''Art Critic''' and '''Hardcore Elitist''', and often comes from backlash against their attitudes.

[[folder:'''Fan Hater''']]
These cannot dislike a work ''and'' accept that it appeals to other people. [[OpinionMyopia How dare someone have such bad taste?]] They simply aren't content to live and let live. Fan Haters are prone to blindly bashing fans and stereotyping them all into one or two categories of people (example: Celebrity magazines are only bought by gay men, morbidly obese middle aged housewives, and people who need to line their bird cages). Sometimes, they might even say that people are only pretending to like the object of their contempt because they're "sheep" or whatever. These people seem to see themselves as the "Average" demographic, and when someone likes something they don't, they become unable to see ''why''. It doesn't matter whether most of the fandom fits this description or not. Often prone to making up stories about FanDumb ComplainingAboutPeopleNotLikingTheShow. Many times, these people are acting like FanFiction and Fan Art itself somehow affects the actual quality of what the author's writing (Many of which have ''never'' read the fanfiction in the first place) of the show.[[note]]Some who actually ''do'' acknowledge the fanfiction, don't use it to perpetuate a negative image of the {{Fandom}}, but still bicker over it, are more rival fans and Fan dumb.[[/note]] Fan Haters may often judge a show's quality based ''entirely'' off of its fans, whilst ignoring the other FanDumb of their own interests. Mentioning any of the Fandom that's ''not'' fitting this stereotype will often result in something similar to NoTrueScotsman. In the minds of {{Fan Hater}}s, there is no such thing as Fandom. There is only Fan Dumb.

''Someone who hates not only the work, but anyone who enjoys it as well.''

[[folder:'''Author Haters''']]
These people may not hate the fans, ''per se,'' but they certainly hate the author of the work. While it's natural to be annoyed with someone who has brought a bad show into existence, these people take it so far that it seems to be a personal RoaringRampageOfRevenge. In extreme cases, death threats may ensue. RunningTheAsylum can justify some author hate, but [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope only to a point.]] Author hate can also be justified to an extent, if said author has an [[SmallNameBigEgo inflated ego]], mistreats the fans of their work, or behaves in ways that directly contradict their own work's themes, which usually results in their own fans turning against them on top of already-existing author hate. Of course, [[{{Misblamed}} whether the author is truly responsible]] for the contents of the work or changes in the adaptation, or was even truly the creator of the work, doesn't matter: Author haters will blame the head editor for stuff they couldn't have done, or a creator lower on the food chain for events caused by ExecutiveMeddling.
* '''[[YokoOhNo Love Interest Haters]]''': These people may be big fans of a creator, but they absolutely ''despise'' the creator's love interest. She (it's usually a she) will often be blamed for negatively affecting the quality of his work [[MisBlamed even if she had nothing to do with it]]. She may also be hated for [[ShipSinking sinking]] the hater's favourite {{Actor Ship|ping}}, "stealing" the creator away from the hater, or disappointing people who [[GuyOnGuyIsHot really wanted him to be gay]] (and either believe there are NoBisexuals or take HetIsEw so far that they find bisexuality Ew too). Don't be surprised if these haters insist that the creator's relationship is unhappy even if there's plenty of evidence to the contrary. In severe cases, the haters will make more serious and equally baseless accusations against the love interest -- according to them, she may be unfaithful, destructive, [[DomesticAbuse abusive]], and so on. Even if the haters are actually right about a creator's love interest being a bad influence, they ''still'' take their response too far -- as above, death threats may occur. Most of these people aren't full-blown haters of the work; they either actually like it despite their complaints, or they used to like it but now don't because they think it JumpedTheShark (which they'll often blame the love interest for).

''People with an irrational grudge against the author of a work they hate.''

[[folder:'''Complaining about works one didn't take in''']]
[[ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontWatch These haters have never seen the show in question, but they still know they hate it.]] They will refuse to watch it at all. There isn't necessarily anything in the show itself that they would dislike, if only they would watch it — HypeAversion, or the [[NeverTrustATrailer trailer for the work]] has made them determined to avoid direct exposure.
* '''The Preemptive Hater''': The Hate Dumb counterpart of the '''Hype Maniac'''. These guys ''really'' hate something, and seem to know almost everything about the object of their hate. The problem is, the work they hate hasn't been released. Often, it hasn't even been ''finished''. These people are basing their hatedom on previews, teasers, and miscellaneous information floating around about the unreleased project; from it, they have constructed a picture of something they loathe intensely. In some cases, the hate may be based on information that was never conveyed in the first place, but is treated as confirmed fact. This is more common in the internet age, since people can get all sorts of false information (and true info, for that matter) from FanDumb and other Hate Dumb; and when release dates are staggered, there can be preemptive haters on the same board as people who do have access to the work. {{Remake}}s of works are frequent targets of this — people anticipate AdaptationDecay. On the bright side, the odds of getting a preemptive hater to see the work when the time comes is better than that for someone complaining about a ''extant'' show they don't watch.

''Bashing a work despite never having watched/read/played/etc it.''

[[folder:'''The Obsessed Hater''']]
They hate the show. They hate every one of the 42 hours per week they spend watching it. They hate every one of the 49 hours per week they spend blogging about it. They hate the crappy merchandise and only buy it all so that they can get a deeper knowledge of the many ways it's bad... It's the opposite of "Complaining about works one didn't take in". Being informed about the work so one isn't blindly complaining [[Administrivia/TropesAreTools is a good thing,]] but this hater takes it overboard by spending more time obsessing over their object of hate than the fans do in liking it. Expect some of these haters to use the InsaneTrollLogic that somehow, ''because'' this show is still on, it affects the quality of the shows that ''they'' like. Corporate creators love this kind of Hate Dumb better than a lukewarm fandom — it's more profitable, and [[NoSuchThingAsBadPublicity gives them free advertisement]]. They spread the show word of mouth, people actually see it to see how bad it really is... and they stick around because it turns out to be genuinely decent with, at worst, minor problems that [=4ngryN3rdR4nt$69=] is blowing way out of proportion. Plus, buying all of a show's toys just to destroy them isn't the diss than an Obsessed Hater thinks it is -- the Hater still has to pay money to get those toys, which means he's turning a profit for the object of his ire. Don't, under any circumstances, pull the DontLikeDontRead card on them-- while this is a rare instance where that line actually has merit, saying it to an obsessed hater will probably get you an "[[NoYou Oh, but if you don't like my obsessing over this show I hate, then you can just ignore it]]!". In a nutshell, this is the kind of person who claims to have been lost as a customer, yet they keep buying from you again and again. Sometimes they even bring in ''new'' customers who try out of BileFascination and discover CriticalBacklash instead.
** '''IWasJustPassingThrough:''' Obsessed haters who claim, not just that they hate the show, but that they've found something better. Yet, no matter what, they are true to their original Hate Dumb despite the new show. Their perverse attachment to the old hated work is often stronger than that to the show they claim to be a fan of — assuming they aren't [[SugarWiki/GushingAboutShowsYouLike Gushing]] About [[PraisingShowsYouDontWatch Shows They Don't Watch]]. These customers are like the above, but they make sure to let you know that your competitors are better... yet for some reason, keep going back to you. Very common in [[MassivelyMultiplayerOnlineRolePlayingGame [=MMOs=]]] where you'll see somebody raving about how much better some other [=MMO=] is.
** '''The Revenge Troll''': This is a hater who is hate-obsessed indeed, but they appear to have taken their hatred to [[ItsPersonal personal levels]]. This may overlap with the '''Author Haters''' as well. Expect them to constantly wish for the work's demise, or for the author to retire, obsessing about it like they want revenge on something. They may often misblame the object of their hatred to have caused their favourite show to be canceled, or act more like [[YouKilledMyFather the show or the author snuck into their house at night and murdered their family while they slept]]. However, in the more extreme examples, some people will even cross the MoralEventHorizon, wishing not just cancellation on the show, but wishing for the author or the creators and/or writers of the show[[note]]or sometimes even ''everyone'' who was ever involved with the show (the main actors, the set-designers, actors who made a one-shot appearance on the show and never appeared on it again after that, the sky's the limit)[[/note]] to have terrible things happen to them in real life. This is even more off-putting because they are wishing this on other ''real people'', not just characters from fiction. The ones who take it that far often overlap with the [[ForumSpeak Internet Tough Guy]] (what better way to creep people out than to intentionally threaten or publicly wish harm on another human being?).
** '''The Chronic Flouncer''': They are so done with the show, and they will tell you so with an epic post detailing just how much they hate it now and how much better the first season was, capping their post with a seemingly final goodbye to everyone because have we mentioned that they are completely and utterly done with this terrible show? They're dunzo. Finished. Over it. Until next week, at least, when they're back to complain yet again about the next episode, which they took the time to watch, then complain bitterly about its terrible quality. Afterwards, they announce yet again that they are done ''for really, really, real this time!'' Don't get too comfortable with their absence, because they'll be back not only for next week's episode but for the next season as well, which they will, of course, vow in their weekly farewell address to not watch even at gunpoint.
** '''I Can Do Better''': This Obsessed Hater variety usually belongs to the 20s-30s age group and loves to tell you how the show sucks, its writers are idiots, and how ''they'' can write it well or [[StartMyOwn create something else that's better]]. To illustrate their hate they like to constantly point at the perceived flaws of the show and overtly compare them to other works (even when they're completely different genres, styles or media), while they'll flaunt the [[SturgeonsLaw fanfic they've posted]] (or in some rare cases, [[VanityPublishing their self-published book]]) or the writing lessons they took or, heck, even their ''desire'' to become writers as "proof" of their writing competence. Expect them to linger on the show's fan message boards every time a new installment is released, constantly talking down to the creators of the show [[SmallNameBigEgo as if they're on the same level of success and prestige]].

''Somebody who obsesses over a hated work to ludicrous extremes.''

[[folder:'''Hipster Hater''']]
An obsessed hater that insists that their obsession with the object of their hate is "ironic", or insist that any work which becomes mainstream has "sold out" and cannot be TrueArt: [[ItsPopularNowItSucks if it's popular, it sucks.]] They cannot be an acknowledged fan to a popular work, so they are this instead. This tends to overlap with business hatred, too. Many of these guys will buy alternate brand names or other such stuff to "Stick it to the man". Expect many of these people to complain about businesses trying to make a profit, such as saying it is "unforgivable" that businesses *gasp* have terms of service or ask ''money'' for their works. Corporate creators have no problems with this sort of Hate Dumb, either.
* '''The [[StrawCritic Art Critic]]''': Holy crap, look at this [insert media here]! It's got action and no drama and no symbolism! It's trash appealing to the LowestCommonDenominator and the reason (insert culture here) is turning into morons! There's no art in it! Some decry video games for "instant gratification" or music for shallow lyrics, but regardless, they'll sound like stereotypes of snobby art-house types. Sometimes, these guys are even ''more'' harsh on works that are [[ComplainingAboutThingsYouHaventPaidFor distributed for free]] or something they pirated like video games or movies.
* The '''Hardcore Elitist''' is a ChallengeGamer who takes their attitude too far. They'll viciously attack games that aren't difficult enough for their taste, and will bash other gamers for being "lazy" or "entitled" if their idea of fun doesn't include spending dozens of hours getting good at a game. They're often blind to the idea that the appeal of a game can come from something else than challenge, and tend to think their accomplishments are somehow devalued if someone else gets to play a game on Easy. Often overlaps with '''Genre Alien''' and '''Rival Fan''', as they despise entire genres for not revolving around skill.

''A person who hates a work for being too popular.''

[[folder:'''Pop Culture Snob''']]
The opposite of the Hipster Hater, they actively avoid anything outside a narrow range of popular shows. [[WidgetSeries Anything foreign is "too weird."]] [[SciFiGhetto Anything Sci Fi is meaningless and geeky]]. Anything over five years old is "for old people". Anything involving an animal must be childish or {{yiff}}. [[AnimationAgeGhetto Anything animated is for little kids]] (unless it's [[AnimatedShockComedy something like]] ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'', ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'', or ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark''). The inverse of ItsPopularNowItSucks. Their battle cry is '''It's Unpopular, So It Sucks'''. Needless to say, this type of hater is found mostly within the 12-19 year old crowd and is pretty uncommon elsewhere.

* A related species of hater is the '''Casual Elitist'''. While it's fine to favour works that just aim to be fun, this person viciously attacks shows simply for not falling under their definition of "fun". If you happen to like something more challenging or highbrow, they'll accuse you of being a snob (or, for games, a tryhard) who's probably only pretending to like it to impress other snobs. They simply don't understand why someone might enjoy analysing an art film or playing a competitive FightingGame more than they'd enjoy a "fun" superhero movie or PartyGame. This is the opposite of the '''Art Critic''' and '''Hardcore Elitist''', and often comes from backlash against their attitudes.

''The opposite of a Hipster Hater; someone who hates a work for being too *un*popular, or too unconventional.''

[[folder:'''The Rival Fan''']]
This hater ''loves'' a work. Just... not this one. They belong to some fandom with a long-standing [[FandomRivalry rivalry]] with the work they don't like. They tend to insist that the object of their hate is a shoddy knockoff of their show, even when it's completely different. They also insist that [[NoTrueScotsman No]] TrueFan of their show [[LogicalFallacies could ever like both their show and the show they hate]]. These guys may often invoke [[TheyCopiedItSoItSucks accusations of other works attempting to ride on their show's popularity or success]]. This overlaps with FanDumb. It can also happen ''[[BrokenBase within]]'' fandoms. Compare the haters who think '''[[ItsTheSameNowItSucks everything is the same]]'''; they could perhaps be called twin Hate Dumb.
** Overlapping very heavily with this is the '''Hypocrite Fan'''. This type of fan is from Fandom Rivalry more often than not, but they often hate trait(s) of other shows/genres, but at the same time, ''their'' own work does the exact same thing, too.
** One common '''Rival Fan''' is the fan of a ''different version'' of the work, often a fan of the source material for the adaptation. They tend to hold a grudge against the adaptation for every change it makes from the original ([[AdaptationDistillation whether necessary]] or [[AdaptationDecay unnecessary]]). Take, for example, the rabid fan of ''{{Theatre/Pygmalion}}'' who bears a grudge against ''Theatre/MyFairLady'' for being a musical romance instead of a social satire. Naturally, this tends to overlap with '''Pop Culture Snob''' (books are always better than moving pictures!) and '''Preemptive Hater''' (I saw a photo of the film shoot in ''Cinemafangique'', I knew all along they were going to ruin the book!) Also overlaps with the '''Hardcore Elitist''', who will attack a game for being more accessible than its predecessor(s).

''Somebody who loves one work but hates another, and frequently compares the two works.''

[[folder:'''The Hate Monger''']]
A kind of Hate Dumb that exists around specific characters within a work. They may or may not be a fan of that work itself, but they will not tolerate the existence of the specific characters at ''all''. Whenever the character is even put into [[CharacterFocus focus,]] the hater will be the first to cry "SpotlightStealingSquad!" Even if they are right about the character taking too much screentime, their hatred of that character impairs their common sense. [[FanHater They will not allow the character to have fans if they can help it.]] Hate Mongers have also been known to call "{{Wangst}}" (or a synonym thereof) on someone being justifiably sad. They may write fanfiction of the work which exaggerates the traits that the hater hates about them, exaggerates the other characters' dislike of them, and/or [[RevengeFic inflicts misery on them]]. Sometimes, the Hate Monger is a bitter result of DieForOurShip or FandomRivalry around a specific character, hating a character because they want to see more of one they like or because they want their love interest to hook up with a different character from the object of hate. Someone who tends to be made a DracoInLeatherPants is also a frequent target, even if the voice of moderation tries to speak up. TheScrappy is a common target by definition. Newcomers (especially [[CousinOliver kids]]) may be targeted and blamed for the show jumping the shark. The Hate Monger may also be a character-specific Fan Hater and make claims like "All of this character's fans only like [him/her] because they find [him/her] hot!", "These people only like this character because they're glad to be getting representation!" or "Only kids like this character!". Often a subset of The Mad Bride/Groom, as pairings and [=OTPs=] tend to have ''someone'' [[MurderTheHypotenuse lose out]].
** '''The Mad Homophobe''': A type of Hate Monger who frequently throws around accusations of homosexuality, mostly Gay. Typically, this is the first thing they say about a character, that they are gay with little justification. Someone is best friends with a member of the same sex? They're gay lovers. Someone isn't interested in romance? They're gay. Someone is asexual? They're gay. Someone is masculine? They're gay. Guy is {{Bishounen}}? He's gay. Anyone was portrayed as gay by fans? They're canonically gay. Often bizarre versions of Love Makes You Hateful — they'll be fine with any romance ''as long as it's not gay''. If it is — oops, not for kids, or HOLY FUCK NOT CANON!!
** '''The Mad Heterophobe''': Like the Mad Homophobe, they're convinced that everyone is gay. Unlike them, they consider this to be a good thing. They tend to take a HetIsEw stance; any heterosexual pairing that becomes canon carries with it accusations of queer-baiting, even if the [[HoYay subtext]] for their preferred pairing existed [[ShippingGoggles mostly in their heads]].
** '''Love Makes You Hateful''': A mutation of The Mad Bride/Groom, these are usually self-proclaimed ex-fans who RageQuit fandom when their favorite pairing was [[ShipSinking sunk]], or worse, made fun of -- whether or not the creator actually insulted pairings or not. HateFic, DieForOurShip, all those good fandom-ruining stereotypes can be traced back to these brand of crazies.

''A hater whose hate centres around a specific character.''

[[folder:'''Bandwagon Hater''']]
Opposes this work, but only as long as it's the trendy thing to do. This hater is always on the lookout for AcceptableTargets, not because they truly hate them, but because it's fun to complain and [[LonersAreFreaks no fun to do it alone.]] Sometimes, the Bandwagon Hater will ''like'' the AcceptableTargets but deny having anything but hate towards it. More often than not, these people may have even been ''fans'' of the show, especially in shows where it was trendy to like it, but then it became trendy to ''hate'' it. A very good way of spotting this if any CausticCritic releases a scathing review, or if the majority of a fanbase or popular forum hates it, even if they had previously liked the work, and afterwards, start carbon-copying their opinions, sometimes ''word for word''. In extreme cases, they may have no opinions of their own. The inverse happens in FanDumb, as well. This is what the page quote essentially describes; the person who hates something not because they genuinely dislike it, but because the "cool kids" told them to.
** '''The Wannabe CausticCritic''': Runs about nitpicking things -- a misplaced pixel? This game is trash. An artistic choice that I don't like? The fans are morons. They will savage everything and anything about a media... without the wit, grace, and, worst of all, humor of the people they attempt to emulate. Everything in this work is incredibly, irredeemably shitty to them, and expect far more personal attacks than anything approaching criticism.

''Somebody who only bashes a work because hating it is trendy.''

[[folder:'''He Panned It Now It Sucks''']]
Similar to the Bandwagon Hater, except it's done more out of [[CreatorWorship because someone they're a fan of hated it]], than out of a desire to fit in -- which means that this hater [[SeriousBusiness takes it far more seriously than the bandwagon hater does]]. If the Creator in question mentions that they hate something, then this person will immediately and loudly proclaim their hatred of it regardless of how they felt about it before. Never tell this type of fan that you enjoy both the creator's work and the work that the creator hates. If you do, then the worst of these haters will fly off the handle and assert that you can't be [[FandomHeresy a true fan of the creator and still enjoy the other work]]. Common with fanbases of {{Caustic Critic}}s.
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''Someone who only bashes a work because someone they're a fan of hated it.''

[[folder:'''The Willfully Blind''']]
Yes, these exist in Hate Dumb too. Similar to the willfully blind in FanDumb, the Hate Dumb variety will refuse to acknowledge any potential strengths or possibly even anything that was done correctly. The willfully blind may also try and convince everyone else to HandWave the strengths because they ''do not exist''. They are prone to AccentuateTheNegative arguments or reviews. Sometimes, they may have a single issue about the work and hate it solely because of that -- usually because they stopped watching afterwards. Expect even in-depth reviews written by this hater to discuss ''only the parts they know and can't stand''. Even if the production staff ran every decision by them, they would complain about how they "weren't asked enough". No matter what, the willfully blind will fixate on a single flaw or ''any'' weaknesses.
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''Haters who ignore anything positive about the object of their hate.''

[[folder:'''Everything is the same''']]
These haters are commonly known for having a minimalistic view of fandoms they don't belong to. Sometimes, entire franchises or genres will attract these types of haters. They will pull the "It's the exact same as this"-card, sometimes without even seeing it. They sometimes have no moderate or casual likes; they view ''everything'' they aren't an outright fan of narrowly. For instance, somebody who does ''not'' like High-School dramas might view every show set in high school as being like ''Series/{{Degrassi}}''. Note that, in such a case, it is possible that they ''like'' ''Degrassi'' and just think all the others are redundant (since they're the same) and thus pointless -- in which case, they're likely a '''Rival Fan'''. Many times, they invoke the "TheyCopiedItSoItSucks" card and accuse ''everything'' of being a ripoff of something they consider quality, even works that came out [[OlderThanTheyThink before the work they like]].
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''Somebody who bashes a work for being "too similar" to another work.''

[[folder:'''"Stop Having Fun" Guys''']]
The StopHavingFunGuys will insist that everyone else is doing it wrong. They not only hate the other fans who enjoy it a specific way, but will also insult ''other haters''. These people are often known for having ''very'' specific single-issue criteria when they pick something new, which causes them to have ridiculously high standards. In the worst cases, they'll join a Hatedom because the work they tried to be a fan of was too...''different'' from what they normally like; instead of trying to adapt, they claim it to be crap and that [[FanHater everyone who likes it doesn't know what true fun is]]. Some of these people will go on tangents explaining ''one'' situation they had with a game and then insisting the entire game is like that. Many times; the hatred of new editions, updates, or sequels consist of these people who complain about how the developers are "punishing skill" amongst other things because they assessed widely exploited glitches and shortcomings. Read the article for some more specific examples.

''People who hate a work at least in part because they think the fans, or even other haters, are "doing it wrong" somehow.''

[[folder:'''Nostalgia Filter''']]
The idea that modern works are automatically inferior to the [[OlderIsBetter stuff from the past]]. This is so common that [[NostalgiaFilter we have a trope for it.]] These haters will trash on the modern stuff and idealize the stuff they liked when they were younger, because it's skewed through the years that they only remember the ''good'' parts -- not the fact that there was a PeripheryHatedom for something that was marketed to them at age six, and not the fact that even adults were criticising it for the same reasons they criticize the modern stuff. For a more in-depth discussion, check the article, but this is an unfortunate type because it's ''so'' propagated and encouraged in fandom.
** The opposite is '''Nostalgia Inversion''', when HypeBacklash (often as a result of the above Nostalgia Filter) and SeinfeldIsUnfunny mix. While it's okay to think an old work hasn't aged well, this hater doesn't even try to make allowance for it. They can't (or won't) put themselves in the correct mindset to watch a work made before its [[GenreDeconstruction genre got deconstructed]], or they expect special effects to look the same in the '50s as in the '00s. They ignore that a work with a bad case of "Seinfeld" Is Unfunny can still have a lot of historical value. They may attack the work's creators for using a trope that would later be overused, or for not using technology they didn't have access to. In some cases, the hater doesn't even seem to ''realize'' that the work wasn't made in the present day.
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''A hater who hates newer works.''

[[folder:'''Anne (or Andy) Titlement''']]
Anne Titlement is a type of hater who claims that nobody makes the kinds of work ''they'' enjoy anymore, or that there isn't enough of it. Any examples of that work or related works (by genre or by creator sometimes) have already been enjoyed and Anne Titlement wants more. Well, that's valid, right? Not when it means you begin viciously attacking ''everything'' else. This type of hater is shocked, ''[[Film/{{Casablanca}} shocked]]'' that something was made without ''them'' in mind. And if you are a fan of such a work, then [[FanHater it's your fault that nothing "good" is made anymore]]. Anne Titlement often views things through a sharp NostalgiaFilter. In their mind, hating something is never ''their'' fault.
** A subset of the above, '''[[PeripheryHatedom The Periphery Hate Dumb]]''': This is someone who clearly hates something, yet it should be obvious why -- it clearly wasn't made with their demographic in mind. Most people actually hate on something that wasn't made for them (Works developed for young children most come to mind, followed closely by stuff that is known for targeting the opposite gender), so you would honestly think they would ignore it, right? Nope. Part of the reason this hatedom came into being was when parents decided to watch the shows their kid watched and, as natural, because it wasn't made for them (Same way most shows parents enjoy aren't made for children) they disliked it. Unfortunately this has caused it to be associated with maturity, meaning that in an effort to be "cool" and look "mature", people often deny any association to that show made for younger children. This sometimes overlaps with the '''Culture Alien''' in that they often come up with complaints ''about'' the show that is pretty much what ''makes'' it a kid/boy/girl-friendly show in the first place, and taking their constructive criticisms seriously would result in an InNameOnly show that's a complete genre shift, as is the '''Mad Editor'''.

''Somebody who hates certain works because they want more of what they like instead.''

[[folder:'''The Crusader''']]
Hating something is SeriousBusiness to these people; it is practically their life's mission is to spread the message of {{Hatedom}} around. The Crusader is frequently launching [[FlameWar Holy wars]] against forums, sometimes even organizing spam-raids on forums, or frequently derailing threads to state why ''they'' think it sucks. These types have been the cause of more work pages being locked on this very wiki than a lot of us are proud of.
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''A hater who finds any excuse to complain about their hated work.''

[[folder:'''The Purist''']]
One of the most wide encompassing forms of Hate Dumb, and arguably, an unholy abomination of ''multiple'' kinds of Haters rolled into one entitled person. Purists have an ideal vision on how a franchise can go, but sometimes, Purists can go ''several'' steps beyond just having an ideal view of a franchise. '''The Purist''' can ''also'' have an idealized view of ''the fandom'' of a particular franchise, and even in worst cases, the ''entire market''. Naturally, many of these guys [[FanHater tend to hate franchises based solely off of the fans themselves]], often citing the fandom as one of the reasons they dislike a franchise, sometimes not even giving it a chance. The Purist also does not stop at just hating fans, but also, they believe that they are the centre (and largest contributer) of the entire market, thus, any and all executive decisions should not be made without consulting them first. Any new demographic being brought into the market, or a simple shift in demographic will not only get the FanDumb crying, but also the haters, because they will ''hate'' these newcomers to the market with almost every passion of their being. Because The Purist has a ''very'' idealised vision of their own fandom; naturally, they are often the type to declare new fans to [[NoTrueScotsman "not be true fans"]] of the series, any new entries to [[FanonDiscontinuity "not be true entries]]". ''VERY'' prone to TheyChangedItNowItSucks-type arguments. There are also versions of the Purist who will simply point out any shift/expansion in demographic to be a reason ''why'' it sucks. Amongst long essays about how new Johnny-Come-Latelys have ruined the market/fandom/show forever, [[ItsPopularNowItSucks as well as how it was better when it wasn't popular]], also expect Slippery Slope type arguments about ''why'' it is bad, and how they expect FollowTheLeader to come against them. (Once more, mentioning a ''similar'' argument about any FollowTheLeader type stuff against ''your'' interests will not be responded to, at best, or countered with an essay on how wrong you are and how you have no taste, if not a HandWave.)

''A person who used to like a work, but grew to hate it due to the work not matching their ideal view of it.''

[[folder:'''Undercover Fans''']]
These are not truly haters, but rather fans, who appeal to the large Hatedom of their object of obsession in order to spread the word. They will derail every thread, come up with the lamest of jokes and in general, will do anything to put the alleged object of their hate into the center of attention. {{Fan Hater}}s will generally take the bait, and what was before a previously completely unrelated topic will now be derailed into a discussion over how horrible that certain thing is. Not only does the corporate world love these guys, some of them are actually [[AstroTurf corporate agents themselves]], actively involved in viral marketing.

''People who pretend to hate a work they actually enjoy.''

[[folder:'''The Science Snob/Armchair Historian''']]
People with a WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief thinner than a razor. One "inaccuracy" or dramatization for the sake of pacing or story will cause them to declare the show a pile of unwatchable dreck and "not properly researched", regardless of whether or not they [[DanBrowned did the research themselves and watched the damn media in question]]. Very commonly blind to AcceptableBreaksFromReality, and may often be found complaining about "unrealistic" aspects of a media... despite the media having things like [[BatmanCanBreatheInSpace flying in space without a pressurized suit]], involving alien ghosts controlled by a reality-warping AI fighting physics-defying transforming monsters, or {{telekinesis}}[=/=]magic and dragons flying around.

''A person who complains about inaccuracies in a work of fiction.''

[[folder:'''The Aesthetic Stalinist''']]
Being aware of the political subtexts, or outright texts, of works you enjoy isn't a ''bad'' thing (mostly); neither is being aware of a creator's politics, especially when they start releasing uncomfortable {{Author Tract}}s that are impossible to judge non-politically or decide to aggressively push their views outside of their work. The issue with The Aesthetic Stalinist is that they judge artistic works chiefly, or entirely, according to their approval of what they see as their political texts or subtexts. Despite the name, this can apply to any political ideology because it's not about specific ideology but an unwillingness to see beyond politics--to use science as an example, though UsefulNotes/JosefStalin hobbled Soviet biology by falling for Lysenkoism because Darwinian evolution was seen as bourgeois, ThoseWackyNazis ''also'' hobbled their science community with ''Deutsche Physik'' because UsefulNotes/AlbertEinstein, who developed the Theory of Relativity, was Jewish. For the purposes of this page, they will be divided into left-wing, who object to minority characters having flaws, and right-wing, who object to minority characters existing ''at all''. Both types overlap with the Bandwagon Hater and the Review Troll, but as minority, LGBT, and even disability representation improves, right-wing types are becoming more visible.\\\
'''Left-wing:''' Most frequently, the left-wing Aesthetic Stalinist will be particularly sensitive to any depiction of a woman or minority that doesn't meet their impossibly high standards and condemn the work as hateful and bigoted, sometimes [[ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontWatch without even taking the time to look into the work and see their full characterization]]. If the character is portrayed as [[HateSink unlikable]] or [[MoralEventHorizon explicitly evil and unsympathetic]], or even makes a TragicMistake, expect people like this to jump to wild conclusions about the supposed UnfortunateImplications that often don't exist, and condemn the creator of the work themselves while citing their perceptions as proof said creator is bigoted, even if [[OffendingTheCreatorsOwn the creator themself]] or '''one of the heroes''' is a member of the relevant group. As an unintended consequence of this behavior, the left-wing Aesthetic Stalinist is partially responsible for the existence of the FlawlessToken trope; creators wary of these folks may resort to writing women/minorities as flat, boring characters with no flaws whatsoever (or at least none that might make them be perceived in any negative way), as it is the type of portrayal least likely to anger them. At the most extreme, the creator may not bother to include any minorities ''at all'' just to play it safe. On the rare occasion one of these people finds a character which meets their standards, they will protect that character like their only child. Any criticism of said character will lead to the critic being dismissed as a bigot, even if their criticisms had nothing to do with the character's minority status. Alternatively, the more extreme version may accuse the creator of a work with positively-depicted minority characters of being a hypocritical or cowardly centrist or "shitlib" for seeking "diversity points" without making the work sufficiently explicit and aggressive in its attack on patriarchal white supremacist capitalism or call for a socialist or anarchist revolution.\\\
'''Right-wing:''' The right-wing Aesthetic Stalinist most often accuses any work with a minority protagonist or other sympathetic major character of pandering to leftists (having an especially rabid hatred for the AffirmativeActionLegacy), and accuses [[FanHater anyone who enjoys it]] of being a left-wing Aesthetic Stalinist who only pretends to like the work because of its "diversity". Even when a work can legitimately be criticized for pandering, [[RightForTheWrongReasons they'll usually direct their criticisms at the apparent fact that the work decided to include a minority character at all]]. The most extreme of these types will once again direct their hatred at the creator. They may be actual bigots dressing up their bigotry in weasel wording and flimsy excuses, or simply people who got tired of being accused of such for their legitimate criticisms and as a result act in a reactionary manner to what they perceive as pandering or tokenism. If you confront one of them in the wild, expect to have the word [=SJW=] thrown at you more than once. Often overlaps with "Complaining about works you didn't take in" as they will often refuse to touch a work with anything they perceive as "pandering", let alone examine it critically and figure out if their perception is true. Also often overlaps with "The Installment Hater", since they often claim to be fans of older installments they don't perceive as "woke" (even if the earlier versions of the work took an explicitly leftist or anti-bigotry stance for their time), and "The Review Troll", since they ''love'' to review-bomb and cite their own review-bombing as proof of the truth of their slogan "Get Woke, Go Broke". Despite them being a VocalMinority who aren't taken seriously by creators or more accepting fans of a given franchise, their existence often antagonises left-wing Aesthetic Stalinists, who will [[AccentuateTheNegative exaggerate their presence and impact as if it's what the whole fandom believes]].\\\
This then leads to a vicious cycle of each side blaming the other for taking drastic action (i.e.: FanWank). Sometimes things can get really ugly if, say, a work has a positively depicted black character but a less developed LGBT one, or vice-versa, in which case more selfish and unthinking individuals will start fighting among themselves about which group is more oppressed. In any case, it's [[PassThePopcorn great fun to watch from the sidelines]], though such debates can descend into extremely ugly or even outright dangerous territory depending on the people involved, as both parties tend to be inordinately fond of dragging it into real life and making it personal. Doxing incidents are common, as are campaigns of orchestrated harassment and attempts to get people fired from their jobs or cost them clients or professional contacts (if they are self-employed), and it can and sometimes does escalate into full-fledged attempts to cause physical harm.

''Someone who bashes a work for political reasons.''

[[folder:'''The Anti-Romantic''']]
The bizarro version of [[FanDumb The Mad Bride/Groom]]; any hint of shipping or romance in the fandom will send them into a frothing rage instead of a squee of fangirl glee. You can see these species endlessly lambasting a fandom upon learning about a fan-made pairings, blaming tween girls and other scapegoats for their departure from fandom/why they refuse to associate with fans. Often just as stupid as rabid shippers themselves. They infest all works, regardless of whether or not the actual work itself has romance or otherwise. If it does, they are prone to turning at least one half of the romance into RonTheDeathEater, or [[FanWank rationalizing]] why the romance doesn't exist.
** A variant of this is the DieForOurShip fan who claims they're ''actually'' this, but their 'Anti-Romantic' sentiment tends to be focused on only specific ships, and/or specific characters. Meanwhile, there will be other ships that 'don't bother them as much', usually involving one-half of the ship they previously complained about being insanely toxic, which will make it clear they're NotSoAboveItAll after-all as they make it clear they ''do'' have ships they like, but some they ''really'' hate.
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''Somebody who hates shipping in a fandom and/or romance in an actual work.''

[[folder:'''The Demonizer''']]
This is the Hate Dumb version of the [[FanDumb Fandom Moral Guardian]]. He will find anything violent/sexual/other in this work and say that it will cause anyone who watches it to do something horrible. If something bad happens (and especially if the work is involved), expect to hear this guy say that it was responsible and needs to be banned. Related to the '''Aesthetic Stalinist''' (mostly the left-wing type, but if they're parroting the latest HeteronormativeCrusader moral panic, it's safe to say they're right-wing), this is an early stage in becoming a MoralGuardian. Can also overlap with Genre Alien if they criticize a work for adults for having adult content. Can overlap with EveryoneIsSatanInHell if they read negative symbolism into a work that doesn't actually have it. They also tend to get into arguments over whether or not a work is OK for kids to take in.
** '''The Godwin's Law Enforcer''' The unholy cross between a FanHater and a Demonizer. A hate dumb will have these guys depending on how long the work/genre/animation has been around (if it's been around that long) and who were fond of that certain work. If the work/genre/animation was liked by someone considered horrible (or whom they consider horrible), then they'll compare the fans of said work to that person. See HitlerAteSugar.
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''Someone who thinks a work is a bad influence on the audience.''

[[folder:'''The Downvoter''']]
In a review site, giving a certain media an unfavorable score isn't inherently a bad thing as long as the reasoning is legitimate. Unfortunately, some of them can best be described as a cross between that of a rival fan and somebody complaining about shows they don't watch or like. As the name implies their main form of interest is to go on a review site and give any work on the same 'best' list that somehow got a higher score than the work they are a fan of a score of 0 or 1 out of 10. It does not matter to them whether or not the work is good, or even if they have seen it, the sheer fact that it scores higher on the same list is for them enough justification to give it a score that is that low. These type of haters (together with the FanDumb they may outbalance) can reduce the quality of a review site a lot and lots of review sites have taken measures to prevent this hatedom from doing what it does. ([=Lemon64=] for instance, publishes below its own top 100 games list a list with the most controversial voters, which are people that gave a 1 or 2 out of 10 on the best list or 9 or 10 out of 10 on the 'worst list' in order to make it easier to see to who you should listen and to who not).
** '''The Review Troll'''. These are people who actively go on user review sites such as Amazon.com or Metacritic and post 1 star reviews for pretty much anything within their respective hatedom - an action known as "review bombing". They might have never even seen/heard/played the work in question. They'll usually just post a one to three sentence "review", [[Administrivia/ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontLike saying that the work sucks without really describing why.]] In some cases, they might even create multiple accounts posting one star reviews for the work (or works) in question just to bring down the average review score. Alternatively, on sites that allow users to rate reviews as "Helpful" or "Not Helpful," they might hit "Not Helpful" for any positive (or even average) review of the work in question, regardless of how well written or informative the review is, while hitting "Helpful" for any one star reviews they come across (even the most poorly constructed ones). They might even create one or more alternate accounts specifically to write multiple one star reviews for the same work, hit "Helpful" for one of their very own reviews or for somebody else's (usually a fellow Review Troll's) one star review. Or to hit "Not Helpful" for somebody else's five star review. Needless to say, such people can seriously bring down the quality of a review page and irritate prospective buyers or actual fans of the work. These people crop up in FanDumb as well. Both types of Aesthetic Stalinist are infamous for this, but right-wing ones '''especially''' so, presumably hoping to manufacture evidence of a backlash against a work they see as SJW propaganda; this got so bad that Website/RottenTomatoes [[https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/article/making-some-changes/ was forced to disable pre-release user comments and make the "Want To See" metric absolute rather than a percentage]].

''A hater whose main shtick is giving negative reviews and/or downvoting positive reviews.''

[[folder:'''The Copycat Accuser''']]
These haters will complain, or worse - cry plagiarism, at the slightest sign of similarity with another work. In other words, they live and breathe "TheyCopiedItSoItSucks" It doesn't occur that nearly every work throughout history draws inspiration from those that came before it - if it's not a [[JustForFun/TheTropelessTale tropeless tale]], it's a clone of another work. This almost always overlaps with another variation of Hate Dumb, and is used to enhance excuses rather than establish them, because otherwise, this would apply to literally every work in existence. Most commonly, this will overlap with '''Author Hater''' (hating on the work because of its author), '''The Rival Fan''' (accusing the work of copying the work the hater ''does'' like) or '''Bandwagon Hater''' (accusing the work of being a copycat because others have)

''A person who hates a work because they think it copied another.''

[[folder:'''The Installment Hater''']]
These people don't usually hate a serial work itself (although they might stop liking it if they take their hate far enough) but they do hate an installment of it, for instance a book in a series, an episode of a TV show, or a sequel (common because [[{{Sequelitis}} sequels have a bad reputation]]). While it's obviously fine to dislike an installment while liking the work as a whole, these people go next-level on it. They may spend more time complaining about this installment than they spend liking the rest of the work, even if it's the kind of work they can easily re-experience while skipping their hated installment (especially if it was later [[CanonDiscontinuity rendered non-canon]] because it sucked so much). They often make exaggerated claims that the installment "ruined" the work or a character. For instance, if a character [[OutOfCharacterMoment behaves out-of-character]], they might make [[EpilepticTrees theories]] about how their out-of-character personality is their real one and their normal personality is a lie, and if the out-of-character behaviour involves [[TheWorfEffect being defeated too easily]], they'll often cry BadassDecay. If the installment started an AudienceAlienatingEra or even [[FranchiseKiller killed the franchise]], that can justify hate -- but only to some degree. These haters may go on and on and on about how bad the Dork Age was long after it's over and it's clear that the creators have learned from their mistakes, or they may insist that the questionable quality of the last installment is solely responsible for the death of the franchise even when there were other factors at play. Like the Review Troll, this type often overlaps with Aesthetic Stalinist because right-wing Aesthetic Stalinists see even token attempts to reflect changing societal attitudes as pandering to [=SJWs=], [[NostalgiaFilter even if the progressive values they're whining about date back to the "real" installments]].
** Closely related to the '''Entry Hater''', who hates a certain entry in a franchise. A common example is the hater who hates a spin-off for being a spin-off, even if it has absolutely no effect on the rest of the franchise. They're often prone to saying, "TheyChangedItNowItSucks".

''A person who likes a work, but hates a certain installment of it.''

[[folder:'''The Negative Nelly''']]
These people are similar to the Edgelords on FanDumb, but they don't like the show. They're the ones who claim that the work is bad because it's too positive, often claiming it's [[SweetnessAversion too saccharine]] and/or "[[SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids for babies]]". They might demand that the writers make it darker so that it's more "realistic" or "mature", even though their ideas for "improving" it may amount to something like "make it oversexualized, add gratuitous violence and give it a blindly nihilistic tone". Can overlap with Genre Alien if they actively seek out idealistic works to complain about their lack of "maturity". They can also be Art Critics if they think a comedy is "mindless entertainment". If one character is very positive, they'll often be Hate Mongers, claiming that the character is "useless comic relief" and/or "overly happy". They might also claim the show is "cruel" because of {{Slapstick}}.

''Someone who hates a show for being too cheerful or comedic.''

* The '''Hardcore Elitist''' is a ChallengeGamer who takes their attitude too far. They'll viciously attack games that aren't difficult enough for their taste, and will bash other gamers for being "lazy" or "entitled" if their idea of fun doesn't include spending dozens of hours getting good at a game. They're often blind to the idea that the appeal of a games can come from something else than challenge, and tend to think their accomplishments are somehow devalued if someone else gets to play a game on Easy. Overlaps with '''Genre Alien''', as they despise entire game genres for not revolving around skill.

** One common '''Rival Fan''' is the fan of a ''different version'' of the work, often a fan of the source material for the adaptation. They tend to hold a grudge against the adaptation for every change it makes from the original ([[AdaptationDistillation whether necessary]] or [[AdaptationDecay unnecessary]]). Take, for example, the rabid fan of ''{{Theatre/Pygmalion}}'' who bears a grudge against ''Theatre/MyFairLady'' for being a musical romance instead of a social satire. Naturally, this tends to overlap with '''Pop Culture Snob''' (books are always better than moving pictures!) and '''Preemptive Hater''' (I saw a photo of the film shoot in ''Cinemafangique'', I knew all along they were going to ruin the book!)

* The '''Hardcore Elitist''' is a ChallengeGamer who takes their attitude too far. They'll viciously attack games that aren't difficult enough for their taste, and will bash other gamers for being "lazy" or "entitled" if their idea of fun doesn't include spending dozens of hours getting good at a game. They're often blind to the idea that the appeal of a games can come from something else than challenge, and tend to think their accomplishments are somehow be devalued if someone else gets to play a game on Easy. Overlaps with '''Genre Alien''', as they despise entire game genres for not revolving around skill.

** '''The [[StrawCritic Art Critic]]''': Holy crap, look at this [insert media here]! It's got action and no drama and no symbolism! It's trash appealing to the LowestCommonDenominator and the reason (insert culture here) is turning into morons! There's no art in it! Some decry video games for "instant gratification" or music for shallow lyrics, but regardless, they'll sound like stereotypes of snobby art-house types. Sometimes, these guys are even ''more'' harsh on works that are [[ComplainingAboutThingsYouHaventPaidFor distributed for free]] or something they pirated like video games or movies.

* A related species of hater is the '''Casual Elitist'''. While it's fine to favour works that just aim to be fun, this person viciously attacks shows simply for not falling under their definition of "fun". If you happen to like something more challenging or highbrow, they'll accuse you of being a snob (or, for games, a tryhard) who's probably only pretending to like it to impress other snobs. They simply don't understand why someone might enjoy analysing an art film or playing a competitive FightingGame more than they'd enjoy a "fun" superhero movie or PartyGame. This is the opposite of the '''Art Critic''', and often comes from backlash against their attitudes.

* A related species of hater is the '''Casual Elitist'''. While it's fine to favour works that just aim to be fun, this person viciously attacks shows simply for not falling under their definition of "fun". If you happen to like something more challenging or highbrow, they'll accuse you of being a snob (or, for games, a tryhard) who's probably only pretending to like it to impress other snobs. They simply don't understand why someone might enjoy analysing an art film or playing a competitive FightingGame more than they'd enjoy a "fun" superhero movie or PartyGame.