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Among Fandom there are some topics which, once mentioned, will cause endless, passionate debate over which faction of the Fandom is correct. Then there are some things which it seems like everyone in the Fandom agrees on. Of course Alan Moore is one of the best comics scribes out there. Of course the American adaptation of Coupling sucked. And of course Garfield has been going downhill for years. How could anyone think otherwise?

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Well, inevitably there are one or two fans who do. Actually voicing these opinions which run contrary to Fandom consensus, however, can entail some risk. You might get some funny looks if you said you preferred the Japanese GoLion over the American Voltron Lion Force. If you say you liked Voltron Vehicle Force, however, prepare to be treated as a Fandom pariah, along with comments that you're obviously not a real/true fan. Essentially, this is the Fandom variant of The Complainer Is Always Wrong.

Sometimes, this trope can even extend to fans who hold opinions that are only tenuously related (or, in some case, entirely unrelated) to the work in question - which run contrary to Fandom consensus. Can exist in the form of "you can't be a true fan of Band X, if you also like Band Y or you don't also like Band Z".

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By the extension of the above two paragraphs, in certain circles, the term "true fan" is the fandom equivalent of Godwin's Law. It's like declaring "I believe in X because I'm a 'regular' fan". In other words, if someone plays/invokes the "X because I am a true fan" , then they automatically lose the argument.

"After a rather influential message by M Sipher in 1997 the term 'true fan' has taken on a whole new meaning among some TransFans. It's a sort of twist on Godwin's Law where anybody who accuses somebody of not being a true fan automatically loses any argument, and is often discounted as a buffoon afterwards."
Steve-o's Transformers FAQ

Please note, to count as Fandom Heresy it must be said by someone who is part of the Fandom. For example, someone saying "Anime is stupid" or "Discworld is boring" doesn't count. However, an anime fan saying, "Hayao Miyazaki sucks" or a Discworld fan saying, "Sam Vimes is the lamest character in the series" would definitely count.

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A very commonplace, fandom-independent example of Fandom Heresy is disliking the main character, or the Ensemble Dark Horse if the main character isn't also the most popular character. Doubly so if you say that said character is a copy of a character from another series. Being a fan of The Scrappy is just as universal an example of Fandom Heresy, for equally obvious reasons.

See also Fan Dumb for another way to hit the Berserk Button of certain fandoms. Compare with Broken Base, where the two sides of opinion are more equal rather than one overwhelming majority against a minority "heresy"; as well as Sacred Cow or Unacceptable Targets, in which the "heresy" includes even non fans. Not to be confused with Fandom-Enraging Misconception, which is for common factual errors about works that particularly annoy their fans.


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    Anime and Manga 
  • Black Butler: Go ahead and state that Grell Sutcliff is a trans woman and not a guy. Don't even mention the fact that it's canon, you'll still be accused of ruining everyone's slash fantasies. To be fair... 
  • Bunny Drop: Never mention the second half of the series where Rin falls in love with and marries her adoptive father to the fandom, given that its infamy is so great that both the anime and live-action adaptations ignore it in favor of a more familial approach.
  • Cardcaptor Sakura: Even if you were a relatively innocent kid that wasn't aware of the original when it came out, it's best not to mention the dub, let alone that you like it, to most fans, as many consider it to be one of the worst anime dubs ever made. This is mostly due to as while the Americanization and removal of any romantic relationships (even the heterosexual ones) in a mostly ROMANCE series wasn't bad enough, in an effort to make to show gender-neutral (read: suitable for a male audience), they cut out any episodes not focused on Syaoran to make him a co-protagonist with Sakura (possibly even make him the main character over Sakura). Even simply referring to the series as Cardcaptors is enough to set fans off.
  • Cowboy Bebop: You think the Netflix adaption was better than the anime? You liked how Julia was revealed to be the Big Bad the entire time? Well, congratulations, because you are now effectively on every oldschool anime fan's shitlist!
  • Dragon Ball:
    • Either trashing on it or saying it doesn't exist is recommended if you ever decide to bring up Dragonball Evolution to fans of the franchise, but praising the movie or admitting it's not bad... good luck summoning Shenron, because there's a high chance that there'll be no trace of you left by the time they're though with you.
    • Do not compare Goku to Superman, and if you don't want to die at the hands of the fandom, don't suggest Superman is stronger.
    • Regarding Broly, as of his re-introduction in Dragon Ball Super, saying that you prefer pre-Super Broly over his current iteration will upset the fandom, as his Super iteration is considered to be a much better character than he was before.
  • Fullmetal Alchemist: Making any kind of joke about Nina Tucker and her dog getting fused into a monstrous chimera by her father will trigger all sorts of backlash from the fandom, as will saying anything positive about Shou Tucker himself.
  • Gurren Lagann: Do not tell a fan that you were okay with Nia's death at the end of the series, just one reason being it coming out of nowhere during Simon and Nia's wedding of all things.
  • Haruhi Suzumiya: Don't tell a fan that you enjoyed the Endless Eight arc of the anime, or you'll be praying to Haruhi herself for a way to stop the hate mail.
  • Hentai: To hentai fans, the two biggest sins that a hentai can commit are "NTR" and "Ugly Bastard", both things despised by fans of the genre. Saying you approve of such themes will cause fans to tear you apart.
  • Infinite Stratos: The fandom has a rather big one: if you even dare to make a microscopical amount of criticism to Charlotte Dunois... Well, may God save you from the backlash you will suffer.
  • JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Speedwagon is a beloved character in the fandom and is considered nigh untouchable when it comes to criticism. However, if you trash him and certain users know where you live, it's best to move out of the country. Also, do not skip parts.
  • Komi Can't Communicate: The fandom has a sacred rule; never make lewd art or the like of Komi-san (unless it's with Tadano). Otherwise, be ready to face the angry fandom.
  • Love Live!: To put it simply, don't insinuate that any character is anything short of a lesbian to the fandom. Just don't. And if you draw porn of the characters having sex with dudes, prepare to be punished even more by the fandom, and we don't mean Nozomi's "washi washi".
  • Naruto: Bringing up Sequel Series Boruto to the fandom is not a good idea as they don't have a high opinion of it. You may be able to get away with saying positive things about the Boruto manga, however.
  • Pokémon: The Series:
    • Anime fans tend to despise the show's use of Floating Timeline, so saying Ash staying 10 years old is a good creative decision will cause fans to break out the torches and pitchforks and hurl them at you. The creators of the anime themselves repeatedly get a ton of flak whenever they'd re-confirm his age.
    • Mentioning or supporting the "Comatose Ash Theory" (that Ash has been in a coma the entire series) will cause the fandom to cry Berserker Tears and launch a large Electro Ball at your house.
    • Saying that you liked Pokémon the Series: Black & White or that it's your favorite part of the anime is enough to make its fandom go ballistic, as it's derided for various problems such as reverting Ash back to a novice Trainer, Iris (and sometimes Cilan) being considered The Load, how Team Plasma was handled in the anime, and more. Even just bringing up the Meteonite Arc that had to be dropped due to the Tohoku Earthquake in 2011 will cause fans to want your head on a pike over how it ended up ruining the saga as a whole.
    • Fans do not want to be reminded of Pokémon: Genesect and the Legend Awakened due to the fact that it introduced a second Mewtwo in a situation where the original would have fit in perfectly. If you want to piss them off, claim that you liked the movie or its Mewtwo. note 
    • Bringing up the end results of the Kalos League will cause a ton of hate from the fandom to erupt at you, given the major controversy over the outcome. For bonus points, claim that you approved of Alain's victory over Ash. It’s okay if you say you like Alain, as he does have his fans. It’s also okay to bring up the other League losses, as they didn’t get nearly as much backlash as Kalos did.
  • Re:Zero: Rem is a character that's held in very high regard by the fandom. Because of this, saying anything negative about her can earn you the fandom's ire. Same thing goes for approving Subaru choosing Emilia over Rem.
  • The Rising of the Shield Hero: Do you like Malty? Are you're sexually attracted to her? Then, good on you. You just earned the combined wrath of the entire fandom.
  • Rurouni Kenshin: Saying that you liked the Seisouhen OVA will get you in trouble with the fandom for its Happy Ending Override. Most fans and even Nobuhiro Watsuki himself, who didn't write it, deny Seisouhen's existence.
  • Sailor Moon: Suggest that Sailor Moon Crystal is any good, or that it's your favorite adaptation. Even if you acknowledge its flaws, be ready for a slew of screaming about the animation and the characters being "ruined" and accused of supporting heteronormativity and misogyny, as well as a tirade on how Crystal is the cancer killing the entire franchise.
  • Sword Art Online: Say what you want about the series as a whole, but mentioning the scene where Sugou Nobuyuki tries to rape Asuna in any way will incite the rage of the fanbase. But only if you do so while implying that fans enjoyed the scene, as even they despise that moment and sincerely wish it never happened.
    • Also for that matter, do not in any way compare SAO to Berserk else face the wrath of both sides.

    Comic Books 
  • Fantastic Four: It's not a good idea to mention any of the film adaptations to fans, especially Fantastic Four (2015) due to its Ashcan Copy status.
  • Judge Dredd: Do not say that you liked the 1995 Sylvester Stallone film, just one of the reasons being that the titular character took off his helmet, something that is considered sacrilege by the fandom.
  • Sonic the Hedgehog (Archie Comics): It's not a good idea to ever mention Ken Penders, mainly due to the fact that his lawsuit against Archie Comics over his characters and concepts not only lead to a Cosmic Retcon-induced reboot that got rid of any characters created by former writers, but also eventually led to the cancellation of the comic itself and even has had repercussions throughout the entire franchise as a whole. Speaking his name will lead to everyone harnessing the powers of the seven Chaos Emeralds to attack you so severely that you might need a trip to the local psych ward.
  • Spider-Man: Professing fondness for One More Day will get you lynched by the fandom, as they despise that story for undoing Peter and Mary Jane's marriage via Ret-Gone, which was Joe Quesada's main goal with the story.

    Films — Live-Action 
  • Back to the Future: Criticizing the sequels is understandable, but criticizing the original or calling it a "bad film" will get you drawn, quartered, and hanged by everyone, their parents, and their grandparents.
  • Citizen Kane: The quickest way a critic or film school teacher can kill their street cred is to trash this film. This is ironic since the film itself was an Acclaimed Flop in its day, and it only became Vindicated by History in the 50s and 70s, so if Kane has that reputation, it took a while to get there and did undergo "the test of time".
  • Ghostbusters: Do not speak positively about the 2016 reboot to fans of the series, as they view it with absolute disdain.
  • Godzilla:
    • Criticizing the original film. No matter what your opinion of all the other films are, you're asking for an ass-kicking if you insult the original on any forum. The only possible criticism you could get away with is the voice-acting and editing changes in the English dub, and even that's pushing it.
    • Speaking positively about the 1998 film will lead to the same result as the above example. Even simply calling the titular character "Godzilla" will lead to this, as the fandom instead refers to him as "Zilla" and states that he is NOT Godzilla.
  • Indiana Jones: Never bring up Indy nuking the fridge in Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull to fans of the series due to its controversial nature, unless you want to start a riot in the fandom.
  • Jurassic Park: Regardless of your opinion of any of the sequels, criticizing the first Jurassic Park or saying negative things about it will get you snatched up by Rexy.
  • Space Jam: Regardless of opinion toward the original, say something not negative about Space Jam: A New Legacy and you might as well have signed your death warrant.
  • Star Wars: You can (albeit with caution nowadays) criticize the Prequel Trilogy, and you can definitely criticize the Sequel Trilogy, but criticizing the Original Trilogy? What happens afterward will be enough to make Order 66 look like a worthy act of vengeance. The most you can get away with is saying that Return of the Jedi wasn't as good as A New Hope or The Empire Strikes Back, but it's still a good film and better than everything that came after it.
  • Terminator
    • Speaking ill of Terminator 2: Judgment Day, considered to be THE best entry in the series and a Sacred Cow altogether, will cause the fandom to send a T-850 to terminate you in the most brutal fashion.
    • Saying that any of the movies after Judgment Day are good or that any of them are your favorite, and pretty much the same result will happen, as the later entries are derided for reasons such as undoing the second movie's ending or Fan Disliked Explanations. There are even fans that prefer the unused ending to Terminator 2 (which shows John Connor as adult and Judgment Day never happened) since it would've prevented any lackluster sequels from happening.
  • The Matrix: The original film is held in very high regard by not just the fandom, but also movie fans in general, with the film considered to be one of the greatest and most influential of all time. Trashing the film will lead to the fandom forcibly unplugging you.

    Literature 
  • Harry Potter: Do not mention My Immortal to the fandom, given that it manages to commit every offense towards the series in a spectacular Crosses the Line Twice fashion.
  • Percy Jackson and the Olympians: Praising the film adaptations is a surefire way to get the fandom to want to burn you at the stake, as they are widely despised by not just the fanbase but the author of the books as well (to the point that he even wrote a letter on his blog for kids to show their teachers if they try to show the movie in class). Heck, even mentioning the films is enough to set some fans off.

    Live-Action TV 
  • Arrow: Do not say that you like Felicity Smoak to fans of the series or approve of her and Olver Queen becoming an Official Couple, as she's considered to be the most hated character in the whole Arrowverse.
  • LazyTown: Don't ever say anything negative about Stefan Karl Stefansson or say that the "We Are Number One" meme is unfunny, overrated, or dead after Stefan's passing in 2018, since said meme was used for Stefan's GoFundMe for a cancer treatment.
  • Pro tip: Do NOT, in any manner insult Mister Rogers!.
  • Mystery Science Theater 3000: The Joel/Mike sides are set, and it's notorious fuel for a war, especially in the pre-Tropes days (aka the mid-1990s). It doesn't help that Joel Hodgson and Michael J. Nelson have been known to ignite these flames time and again.
  • Scarlet Heart: Go up to a fan and say you think Moon Lovers is better than the original series. Go on. Try it. Even fans of the remake almost universally agree the original is better.
  • The Wild Wild West: Go up to a fan of the series and say you thought the movie was fantastic. Just make sure to put your affairs in order first.

    Toys 
  • amiibo: Don’t even THINK about taking an amiibo out of the box, as collectors of them despise such a practice.

    Video Games 
  • Banjo-Kazooie: To put it in a way Gruntilda would say it: "Criticizing the sequels is okay, but the original, that is nay. Say anything bad about the first Banjo-Kazooie, and the fandom will make you go kablooey!"
  • Battlefield: Out of the dozen or so "mainline" games in the franchise, saying that Battlefield Hardline, the original Battlefield Vietnam or Battlefield 2042 is the best game in the series will get you ridiculed.
  • Devil May Cry: Just mention DmC: Devil May Cry to a fan. Expect to be torn apart over things such as the changes to Dante and the Take That!'s to the original continuity.
  • Dwarf Fortress: Anyone who doesn't share the fandom's opinion on elves and necessary unnecessary violence will be accused of this sooner or later, and then subject to traditional dwarven punishment by magma... erm, "unfortunate accident".
  • Fallout: Due to the very negative reception of the entry, saying that Fallout 76 is a good game or that you like it will get you targeted by the majority of the Fallout fandom.
  • Five Nights at Freddy's: When it comes to discussing various theories about the series to the fandom, don't even think of bringing up the idea that the entire series is just the hallucinations and fever dreams of a brain-damaged child, unless you want to experience the fury of a thousand suns.
  • Kingdom Hearts: Whatever you do, never even remotely praise the Time Travel plot point originating in Kingdom Hearts 3D: Dream Drop Distance. In the eyes of most fans, it was rushed, rendered everything that the heroes did pointless, and pushed Xenahort straight into Invincible Villain territory.
  • The King of Fighters: Saying to the fans that you liked K9999 is generally a bad idea, as even SNK despises the character, eventually removing him from 2002's updated rerelease, and replacing him with the more original and likable character Nameless.
    • In The King of Fighters XV, it's all but stated the character Krohnen is actually K9999 in disguise, having undergone Character Development and being less of a Tetsuo clone. As a result, it is possible to get away with liking the current iteration of the character.
  • Kirby on its own is already a Sacred Cow, but among fans the biggest way to get yourself crucified is to criticize Kirby Super Star. The game is considered one of the best in the series and claiming that it's a bad game is sure to get you murdered.
    • Depending on the fan it is possible to get away with saying the Updated Re-release, Kirby Super Star Ultra, is better than Super Star.
  • The Legend of Zelda:
    • Do NOT criticize Link to the Past or Ocarina of Time to the fandom due to their Sacred Cow status. You're going to get CR-UC-IF-IED! Debating over which of the two is the better game, however, is a different story.
    • On the topic of Ocarina of Time, the Water Temple is notably infamous for various reasons and considered to be the worst dungeon in the entire series (even Shigeru Miyamoto apologized for the dungeon). Saying anything positive about the Water Temple will get you on the fandom's bad side.
  • Mass Effect: Do not mention the original ending to the third game around fans of the series. To put it lightly, it's widely disliked.
  • Mega Man:
    • Mega Man X:
      • Speaking positively about Mega Man X6 or saying it's one of your favorites in the series will likely get you yelled at by the fandom, mainly due to its severely rushed state (in America, where it came out first, Mega Man X6 was released the same year that Mega Man X5 was in that country) and unforgiving difficulty.
      • Bringing up Mega Man X7 in a positive way is sure to rile up the fandom due to the various problems with the game, mainly the gameplay. If you say you like it or that it's one of your favorite entries in the series, angry fans will want you to "BURN TO THE GROUND!"
    • Mega Man Legends: Do yourself a favor, and don't say you weren't upset with the infamous cancellation of Mega Man Legends 3, as fans consider it a great tragedy that effectively killed the Mega Man Legends series.
  • Metal Gear:
    • Bringing up anything to do with the series after Konami's firing of Hideo Kojima after Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain (not to mention releasing Metal Gear Solid 3 Pachinko and Metal Gear Survive) will illicit rage from fans.
    • If Konami ever decides to make a Metal Gear game without Kojima’s involvement, don’t. Ever. Support it. For example, this instantly became the case with the aforementioned Metal Gear Survive.
    • Speaking ill of Snake Eater — the series' Sacred Cow and generally in contention for being one of the greatest video games of all time — is, for lack of a better term, ill-advised.
  • Metroid
    • Criticizing Super Metroid. It's unanimously considered a landmark game and a masterpiece of level design and craftsmanship by fans and critics alike. Decades after its release, it is still considered the best game in the entire series and one of the greatest video games ever made, so if you go after it, prepare to get a whoopin'.
    • The first Metroid Prime is another game that's considered risky to criticize, since it's often considered to be in the same league as Super Metroid in quality.
    • If you say that you liked the gameplay of Metroid: Other M, fan opinion is mixed enough that you'll get some amused scoffing at worst. Say that you liked the story on the other hand, or (Chozo forbid) that it is one of your favourite entries in the series, then expect a complete derailment of the conversation as seemingly everyone in the fanbase arrives to scream how wrong you are. At one point, hate for Other M was to the point that even suggesting that the game had the potential to be good garnered the same result.
    • Just mention Metroid Prime: Federation Force to fans of the series, particularly that you think the idea of playing as the Federation Space Marines is cool, and you might need to equip the Varia Suit to resist the flames. In fact, hate for Federation Force was strong long before the game was even released.
  • Paper Mario: Even so much as mentioning Paper Mario: Sticker Star around seasoned Paper Mario fans is enough to make said fans angry at you, for reasons such as dumbing down the story or having generic Toads all over the place at the expense of other NPC Mario characters note . If you imply that you think Sticker Star is better than any of the first three games (especially 64 and The Thousand Year Door), you're in for even more of a world of hurt from the fandom.
  • Persona: Don't mention the Beginner and Very Easy modes from Persona 3 Portable and Persona 4 Golden, respectively, let alone state that you're okay with the existences of these modes, to fans of the series. And if you hold the opinion that it's okay to play on these modes, point out that they're optional, or worst of all, play on those modes, well...let's just say it's too bad Trafuri doesn't exist in real life.
  • Pokémon
    • Pokémon Red and Blue: One of the biggest ways to anger the fanbase is to proclaim that Gen I is the only true Pokémon Generation and reject all Generations that came after it, as such closed-minded nostalgia is never tolerated by the fandom. It's still okay to like Gen I or have at as one of your favorites as long as you respect the other Gens, though.
    • Pokémon Diamond and Pearl:
      • Go ahead and say that you didn't mind the NPC trade with Mindy note . Fans despise this in-game trade mainly due to its trollish nature.
      • Cynthia is held in high regard in most parts of the fandom (and is known for having one of the hardest battles in the series) and considered to be one of the best Champions in the series. Criticizing her is not a good idea unless you want fans to have her Garchomp annihilate you.
    • Pokémon Sun and Moon: Do not say that you like Alolan Dugtrio or Alolan Persian's designs, as most fans consider them to be either lazy or awful.
    • Pokémon Sword and Shield: While there's nothing wrong liking anything else about the game, saying that you're okay with "Dexit" (where not every Pokémon can be brought into Sword and Shield) will make at least a lot of trainers in the fanbase want to use Zacian and Zamazenta to annihilate your partner Pokemon out of existence.
    • Opinions on villain teams and villain team leaders are quite mixed and stating who is the best/most evil/etc. will at worst lead to debates over your answer, but even thinking about saying anything positive about Team Flare (unless it's the anime version of them) will not go over well with the majority of the fandom. For some reason, it's been decided that they are the worst villain team. If you do, expect many people to say you are a child for liking their plan or saying you are no real fan.
      • On the other hand, criticizing the villainous aspects of Team Rocket, Team Galactic, or Team Plasma (or their leaders Giovanni, Cyrus, and Ghetsis, respectively) can also be a bad idea, given that each of them are considered to be popular villains in most parts of the fandom.
    • "We want each region to feel unique." This statement has been used by Game Freak to justify the removal of several beloved game mechanics and quality-of-life features from game to game (the DexNav, walking Pokémon, the PSS etc), often only to replace them with far less-liked replacements. Agreeing with this line of logic is subsequently a good way to get yourself raked over burning coals by the angry fandom.
    • Given their lore, abilities, and powers over time, space, and creation, Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, and Arceus are considered to be the most powerful Pokémon. Canon-wise, stating an opinion of them not being gods or any Pokémon being more powerful than them is not a good idea. This can also apply to Ultra Necrozma to a lesser extent.
    • While the mechanic had started out as divisive when it was first introduced in Generation VI, Mega Evolution has become very well-regarded by most of the fandom, who didn't take kindly to it being Demoted to Extra in Generation VII and omitted completely in Generation VIII. Saying you dislike Mega Evolution or saying that Z-Moves and Dynamax are superior to it will get most fans angry at you.
  • Ridge Racer: Fans of the series really care whether Reiko Nagase is included in a game, to the point where the games that don't have bombed. Because of this, don't tell a fan that you're okay if Reiko is absent from a game.
  • Silent Hill:
    • Do NOT mention Silent Hill: Homecoming to the fandom. Just don't do it. Save yourself the headache you'll get from a fan.
    • If you value your life, do not bring up what happened with Silent Hills to the fans, much less say you were okay with its infamous cancellation. The less said about this, the better.
  • Sly Cooper: Saying you approve of Penelope's Face–Heel Turn in Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time or the ending of the game will garner the hate of the fandom, many of which have even disowned the game to preserve the happy ending of Sly 3: Honor Among Thieves. Some fans even apply this to the entire game overall.
  • Sonic the Hedgehog:
  • Star Fox:
    • A good way to get yourself lynched by the fandom is to criticize Star Fox 64, as it's considered a Sacred Cow and the best entry in the series, with none of the entries that came after able to match it.
    • Bringing up the quality of Star Fox Zero will irk a number of fans, but speak positively of the gyro-based controls the game has, and fans will blast you without warning.
  • Touhou Project: When it comes to the fandom, something you shouldn't do is criticize Sakuya Izayoi or say she's a bad character. Otherwise, expect lots of angry fans, especially those that are fans of the earlier Windows era games such as Embodiment of Scarlet Devil, to send dozens of knives your way.
  • Xenoblade Chronicles:
    • Treating Xenoblade Chronicles as anything less but one of the best games ever or opposing Shulk being in Super Smash Bros. does not sit well with fans.
    • For Xenoblade Chronicles X, do not mention the censorship to fans. note  The resulting backlash can put Cauldros to shame.

    Visual Novel 
  • Ace Attorney: Do not tell a fan that you didn't find Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney – Justice For All's final case exciting, as it's considered to be one of the best cases if not the best case in the series.
    • On the subject of Justice for All, don't say anything positive about the game's widely hated third case or the fandom will prosecute you so hard even Phoenix Wright himself wouldn't be able to get you out of it.
  • Danganronpa: The third trial from Danganronpa 2: Goodbye Despair has gained a whole lot of infamy from the fandom, due to reasons such as Mikan Tsumiki's motive being the much-maligned Despair Disease, the fact that it would have been impossible for her to pull off both murders in the way and timeframe she did, that Hiyoko Saionji's murder wasn't elaborated upon, the rushed nature of the trial itself, or most infamously, Mikan's execution. As such, it's not a good idea to mention anything positive about it, and if you do, just be sure prepared for what brutal execution you'll get from the thousands of fired-up individuals, especially those who like Mikan.
  • Tsukihime: When it comes to the fanbase (as well as fans of the Nasuverse as a whole), one way to make them want to suck the blood out of you is making a single mention of the anime Shingetsutan Tsukihime. In fact, there's no Tsukihime anime as far as they're concerned.

    Web Animation 
  • DEATH BATTLE!: While most if not all Death Battles have at least some contention regarding their victors from watchers, a literal death battle will ensure if you approve of who the victors were in Gaara vs Toph, Yang vs Tifa, Ben 10 vs Green Lantern, or, most infamously of all, the second Goku vs Superman fight, as those four are despised by fans for reasons such as flawed research, accusations of favoritism, or even the victor cheating.
  • Happy Tree Friends: Even just belting out that "Youtube Copyright School" is not a bad episode to fans of the series is a surefire way to have them out for blood, as it's seen as less of an episode of HTF and more of a punishment for uploaders that get a copyright strike on YouTube note .
  • RWBY: To most of the fandom, the series started to decline in quality after Volume 3, mainly due to its shift in tone. Saying that anything from Volume 4 onward is better than anything from the first three Volumes will cause most of the fandom to feed you to a pack of Grimm.

    Web Original 
  • YouTube:
    • It's best for you not to say you were fond of any YouTube Rewind from 2018 onwards, as they're despised by viewers of the platform and contain far more dislikes than likes as a result.
    • Speaking of dislikes, saying you approve of the site's removal of the dislike feature (the button's still there but the dislike count isn't viewable by the public) is the best and easiest way to get decried by basically everybody on the platform, likely in the form of several lengthy video essays.

    Western Animation 
  • The Adventures of Jimmy Neutron, Boy Genius: One way to get yourself chastised by fellow amatur geniuses is to say good things about the infamous Planet Sheen to fans of the original show, as they have no fondness for it, especially since Planet Sheen crashed and burned not long after debuting.
  • Avatar: The Last Airbender: So much as mentioning the live-action movie will lead to trouble. At least half the fandom refuses to acknowledge that it exists and the other half that does sincerely wishes it didn't; this includes the creators of the animated series themselves.
  • Ben 10: For reasons similar to The Powerpuff Girls (2016) and Teen Titans Go! below, mentioning the reboot to the Ben 10 fandom will lead to them bringing up a strong alien in the Omnitrix to use to utterly destroy you.
  • The Boondocks: Do not tell a fan that there is a fourth season. Even Adult Swim themselves consider it an Old Shame.
  • Cartoon Network: It's probably best that you don't mention any of the channel's live-action shows around fans of the channel. To put it simply, their hate is so massive that the TV Tropes page for them had to be cut in the past.
  • Danny Phantom:
    • Just bringing up Word of God saying that all the ghosts in the series are actually monsters from another dimension can motivate the fans to send you to the Ghost Zone, as the general consensus is that it doesn't make sense and goes against the series as a whole. In fact, even the show's wiki rejects this explanation.
    • Saying that you liked the Grand Finale Phantom Planet (or even Season 3 in its entirety) will get you on the fandom's bad side due to the direction fans consider it to have gone down.
  • The Fairly Oddparents:
    • Saying that you liked the three live-action movies note  will most likely enrage the fandom, especially those that are fans of Channel Chasers. Even considering them canon can lead to this note .
    • While saying you like Poof will still have half the fandom defend your opinion, and saying you like Chloe will only lead to some upset fans, saying you like Sparky or that he's a good character to the fandom will cause the flames to be seen all the way to Yugopotamia. Even critics, staff members, and network executives hated the character, leading to his immediate removal come the following season.
    • Saying you liked the infamous episode "It's a Wishful Life" or that it was a good episode will get the fandom angry at you, as even the writers and Butch Hartman themselves don't look fondly on it.
    • Speaking positively about how Trixie Tang was handled in the episode "Just the Two of Us" can get you in trouble by fans, due to how the episode ended up turning Trixie into a crazed Yandere.
  • Gravity Falls: The fandom has an interesting one. Even though Alex Hirsch has Jossed that they are, if you even dare to suggest the Pines family aren't Jewish you'll be met with quite a bit of hate, even if you agree with the fans but try to bring up what the creator said.
  • Hey Arnold!: When it comes to the fandom, do not say that you ship Arnold/Lila. He's supposed to be with Helga, especially with The Jungle Movie making them an Official Couple.
  • Kung Fu Panda: The fandom is very protective of the Po/Tigress ship and will rip you a new one if you dare say you don't support the pairing.
  • Miraculous Ladybug: It's not a good idea to bring up Thomas Astruc's decision to have Chloe join the Big Bad at the end of Season 3, as fans are upset over the fact that it means her redemption arc was thrown out the window, especially after it was shown she could change.
  • Ninjago:
    • It's generally a bad idea to bring up Season 11 around Ninjago fans and an even worse idea to say it was your favorite season.
    • Similar to Season 11, fans tend not to be particularly pleased when Hands of Time is brought up, though they tend to be more forgiving about it than with Season 11.
    • Saying anything bad about the Oni Trilogy (Sons of Garmadon, Hunted, and March of the Oni) will get you Spinjitzu'd in the face. The best you can get away with is saying that March of the Oni was lackluster compared to the other two.
    • Before the Oni Trilogy, the one season you couldn't insult was Possession, at the time considered to be the show's best season and even nowadays considered to be very strong.
  • Pinky and the Brain: The fandom has one rule: ganging up on anybody who mentions Pinky, Elmyra & the Brain to them. To put it simply, the Pinky and the Brain writers themselves were against it, making an episode demonstrating why adding a third character to the show was not a good idea, and the 2020 Animaniacs reboot in fact completely ignores the spin-off.
  • The Powerpuff Girls: A easy way to get beaten up is to say anything positive about the 2016 reboot to the fandom, for reasons such as animation errors, the episode "Horn Sweet Horn'', shoehorned references to current memes and trends, or other unpopular changes made over the original cartoon.
  • Ren & Stimpy: Do yourself a favor, and never bring up Ren & Stimpy "Adult Party Cartoon" in a positive way to a fan, or they'll do to you what Ren threatened to do to Stimpy and Sven in ''Sven Hoek".
  • Samurai Jack: Do not bring up Ashi's death at the end of the series to fans of the show. The event was so negatively received that the canonical game Samurai Jack: Battle Through Time did away with the scene in question with Ashi surviving in the Golden Ending.
  • SpongeBob SquarePants:
    • If you ever speak positively about the spinoffs Kamp Koral or The Patrick Star Show, expect everyone who likes or hates the show to subsequently string you up in a major city's town square for all to see, mainly because the fandom considers them a desecration of the late Stephen Hillenburg's wishes.
    • Speaking positively of the infamous episode "One Coarse Meal" is a good way to land yourself on the fandom's hit list, especially since all of the cast and even one of the co-writers don't look fondly upon it.
  • Star Wars: The Clone Wars: Ahsoka Tano is a character that is considered sacred by the fandom, and saying anything negative about her can and will lead to backlash from the fandom. Interestingly, Ahsoka started off as mainly disliked, but as time went on and she was given notable Character Development, she cemented herself as a popular character, showing that she had to gain the positive reputation she has today, something the fans say she has earned.
  • Teen Titans: Even so much as mentioning Teen Titans Go!, much less that you like it, will get geeks, nerds, animation addicts and DC stans everywhere to beat you to death just like how Superman and Doomsday did with each other. While the show is hated across the board, it's especially dangerous to bring it up to fans of the original show.


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