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9th Sep '16 11:11:13 AM Berrenta
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* Creator/DCSimpson, creator of ''WebComic/OzyAndMillie''. Quite a few things have contributed to this. ''Ozy and Millie'' was nearly mainstream, and received some notable press for a webcomic. Things got shaky with her fans beginning with ''WebComic/RaineDog'', which was heavily criticized for its heavy-handed political content, with the [[AmazingTechnicolorWildlife blue dog]] standing in for "Blue State" Democrats at one point. Then it got stranger with a page depicting Raine [[BestialityIsDepraved making out with a young boy]], which caused far too many UnfortunateImplications for fans to get behind it. As the result of one message board's negative response to her comic, Simpson [[SmallNameBigEgo disowned the board]]. Not much has happened in regard to Simpson after her {{Vaporware}} attempt at a syndicated comic, ''Girl'', which was better received than ''Raine Dog'', but still heavily criticized due to the fact that many of the jokes were recycled from ''Ozy and Millie'', and fans opined that the recycled gags were far funnier in the context of ''Ozy and Millie'' and made less sense in the context of ''Girl'' (specifically, that the new strip had ''no context'' for the jokes, being that it was intended for syndication).
15th Aug '16 4:41:41 PM nombretomado
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* Music/{{Metallica}} pioneered the sound of HeavyMetal in America, selling out concerts without radio airplay and generally known for their rebel personas (who had special sections in their concerts for bootleggers to come and record the shows). Then they released ''Metallica'' (what we all call "the Black Album"). Not a bad album, but it made some of their old fans disappointed. Produced by Bob (MotleyCrue) Rock, it lacked their traditional complex song structures and depth, and sounded like Metallica-lite. Then they went and dropped ''Load'' (no pun intended) on their fans in 1996, which sounded like some of the heavy grunge bands that had been popular for a couple of years by that point, only a bad version of grunge. Of course the guys in Metallica claimed that they weren't listening to any of that type of music and the album reflected their personal tastes. Not long after that, during the days of Napster, the rebels revealed their DigitalPiracyIsEvil crusade, finally alienating most of their original fans. They followed up ''Load'' with a little album called ''St. Anger'' in 2003, an album widely hated by the fanbase, and [[CreatorBacklash one that even the band doesn't care much for]]. But then came ''Death Magnetic'', widely considered a return to form - despite the UnpleasableFanbase not being fully satisfied, and a nasty case of the [[LoudnessWar squish]]. ''Death Magnetic'' was followed by ''Lulu'', a joint project with Music/LouReed consisting of off-the-wall 'avant guarde' rock and noise. If the idea sounds nutty to you, you're not alone. Critical opinion ranged from underwhelming to horrified, with Pitchfork Media giving a rare 1/10 rating, and the fans were far less kind. Lou Reed said in an interview he made the album for fun and not to appeal to anyone, while Lars Ulrich compared the change in style to the band's acoustic turns on the critically acclaimed ''Ride The Lightning'', suggesting that listeners would grow to like it.

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* Music/{{Metallica}} pioneered the sound of HeavyMetal in America, selling out concerts without radio airplay and generally known for their rebel personas (who had special sections in their concerts for bootleggers to come and record the shows). Then they released ''Metallica'' (what we all call "the Black Album"). Not a bad album, but it made some of their old fans disappointed. Produced by Bob (MotleyCrue) (Music/MotleyCrue) Rock, it lacked their traditional complex song structures and depth, and sounded like Metallica-lite. Then they went and dropped ''Load'' (no pun intended) on their fans in 1996, which sounded like some of the heavy grunge bands that had been popular for a couple of years by that point, only a bad version of grunge. Of course the guys in Metallica claimed that they weren't listening to any of that type of music and the album reflected their personal tastes. Not long after that, during the days of Napster, the rebels revealed their DigitalPiracyIsEvil crusade, finally alienating most of their original fans. They followed up ''Load'' with a little album called ''St. Anger'' in 2003, an album widely hated by the fanbase, and [[CreatorBacklash one that even the band doesn't care much for]]. But then came ''Death Magnetic'', widely considered a return to form - despite the UnpleasableFanbase not being fully satisfied, and a nasty case of the [[LoudnessWar squish]]. ''Death Magnetic'' was followed by ''Lulu'', a joint project with Music/LouReed consisting of off-the-wall 'avant guarde' rock and noise. If the idea sounds nutty to you, you're not alone. Critical opinion ranged from underwhelming to horrified, with Pitchfork Media giving a rare 1/10 rating, and the fans were far less kind. Lou Reed said in an interview he made the album for fun and not to appeal to anyone, while Lars Ulrich compared the change in style to the band's acoustic turns on the critically acclaimed ''Ride The Lightning'', suggesting that listeners would grow to like it.
24th Jun '16 7:25:50 PM nombretomado
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Nowadays, he produces bloody works such as ''ComicBook/TheUnfunnies'', ''ComicBook/KickAss'', ''TheUltimates'', and ''ComicBook/{{Wanted}}'', that featured SociopathicHero characters and StrawmanPolitical arguments supporting his ultra-conservative views. Others see this more of a combination of heavy SatireParodyPastiche of [[{{Gorn}} corrupt elements within]] [[HorribleHollywood western popular culture]], and "[[MisaimedFandom Well, since this is the type of stuff that sells, and the Eagleland xenophobes just cream themselves from any]] "[[StealthParody Do you think that this A on my forehead stands for France?]]" I put in there, I might as well get rich on their expense, [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold and use the money to help my brother's work for disabled children]]." Also, ''Comicbook/CivilWar'' featured massive CharacterDerailment, especially of ComicBook/IronMan. (Some consider the character ''forever'' ruined, but that probably is going too far -- by this point, fans are used to writers prioritizing their tug-o-wars over telling a story, and know that soon Iron Man will be in better hands; it's not Tony's "fault.")

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Nowadays, he produces bloody works such as ''ComicBook/TheUnfunnies'', ''ComicBook/KickAss'', ''TheUltimates'', and ''ComicBook/{{Wanted}}'', that featured SociopathicHero characters and StrawmanPolitical arguments supporting his ultra-conservative views.arguments. Others see this more of a combination of heavy SatireParodyPastiche of [[{{Gorn}} corrupt elements within]] [[HorribleHollywood western popular culture]], and "[[MisaimedFandom Well, since this is the type of stuff that sells, and the Eagleland xenophobes just cream themselves from any]] "[[StealthParody Do you think that this A on my forehead stands for France?]]" I put in there, I might as well get rich on their expense, [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold and use the money to help my brother's work for disabled children]]." Also, ''Comicbook/CivilWar'' featured massive CharacterDerailment, especially of ComicBook/IronMan. (Some consider the character ''forever'' ruined, but that probably is going too far -- by this point, fans are used to writers prioritizing their tug-o-wars over telling a story, and know that soon Iron Man will be in better hands; it's not Tony's "fault.")
24th May '16 7:56:03 PM nombretomado
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* Ivan Reitman used to be a well-respected Hollywood director that first broke out into fame by directing ''Meat Balls'' and is best known for being the man behind ''Film/{{Ghostbusters}}'', as well as several successful comedies like ''Film/{{Stripes}}'', ''{{Film/Twins}},'' ''Film/KindergartenCop'', and ''{{Film/Dave}}''. However, after many huge flops following the release of ''Dave'', his cred dropped considerably, to the point where even the critics began to openly dread his screen credit. ''Film/MySuperExGirlfriend'', for instance, had a critic in ''Newsday'' asking "... why was it made? ... And, most important, why is there 10 bucks missing from my pocket?" He did claw some respectability back in 2011 with ''Film/NoStringsAttached'', which got decent reviews and topped the box office in its first weekend, but he still faces a lot of work if he's ever going to fully restore his reputation.

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* Ivan Reitman used to be a well-respected Hollywood director that first broke out into fame by directing ''Meat Balls'' and is best known for being the man behind ''Film/{{Ghostbusters}}'', ''Film/{{Ghostbusters|1984}}'', as well as several successful comedies like ''Film/{{Stripes}}'', ''{{Film/Twins}},'' ''Film/KindergartenCop'', and ''{{Film/Dave}}''. However, after many huge flops following the release of ''Dave'', his cred dropped considerably, to the point where even the critics began to openly dread his screen credit. ''Film/MySuperExGirlfriend'', for instance, had a critic in ''Newsday'' asking "... why was it made? ... And, most important, why is there 10 bucks missing from my pocket?" He did claw some respectability back in 2011 with ''Film/NoStringsAttached'', which got decent reviews and topped the box office in its first weekend, but he still faces a lot of work if he's ever going to fully restore his reputation.
21st May '16 9:35:22 PM nombretomado
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* Another victim of this is Creator/SiliconKnights, who was coincidentally another former Creator/{{Nintendo}} dev[[note]]Though technically, Creator/{{Nintendo}} still owns some stock in the company[[/note]]. The creators of the first ''VideoGame/LegacyOfKain'' game, the acclaimed UsefulNotes/GameCube SurvivalHorror game ''EternalDarkness: Sanity's Requiem'' and well-done ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid'' remake ''The Twin Snakes'', their next game, ''TooHuman'', languished in DevelopmentHell. From jumping from [[UsefulNotes/SonyPlayStation three]] [[UsefulNotes/NintendoGameCube different]] [[UsefulNotes/{{Xbox 360}} consoles]] to an incredibly bloated budget($60 Million!) to a series of {{Frivolous Lawsuit}}s between Epic Games, the finished product received mediocre reviews and rather bad sales, [[StillbornFranchise which put a damper on that trilogy they planned.]] VideoGame/XMenDestiny [[TheProblemWithLicensedGames faired no better with critics]], averaging around 50% on Metacritic [[note]]For the PS3 and Xbox 360 versions, with the Wii and DS averaging around 30%[[/note]]. The reasons for the poor quality of the game has been disputed; [[http://www.kotaku.com.au/2012/10/what-went-wrong-with-silicon-knights-x-men-destiny/ comments allegedly from former employees]] claim that the game was mismanaged by President Denis Dyack, who was taking the funding from Activsion and directing it towards work on a sequel to Eternal Darkness while prolonging Destiny's development for more money, while Dyack [[http://nichegamer.com/2015/05/denis-dyack-interview-part-1-yellow-journalism-and-what-really-happened-with-x-men-destiny/ refutes the allegations]] and lays the blame on [[ExecutiveMeddling a drastic decrease in funding]] due to Disney purchasing Marvel and resulting legal issues with Activision. The nail in Silicon Knight's coffin came when Epic Games won their countersuit and received a court order to recall and destroy ''Too Human'' and ''X-Men Destiny'' along with all games currently under development, ultimately leading to the studio's closure two years later.

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* Another victim of this is Creator/SiliconKnights, who was coincidentally another former Creator/{{Nintendo}} dev[[note]]Though technically, Creator/{{Nintendo}} still owns some stock in the company[[/note]]. The creators of the first ''VideoGame/LegacyOfKain'' game, the acclaimed UsefulNotes/GameCube SurvivalHorror game ''EternalDarkness: Sanity's Requiem'' and well-done ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid'' remake ''The Twin Snakes'', their next game, ''TooHuman'', languished in DevelopmentHell. From jumping from [[UsefulNotes/SonyPlayStation three]] [[UsefulNotes/NintendoGameCube different]] [[UsefulNotes/{{Xbox 360}} consoles]] to an incredibly bloated budget($60 Million!) to a series of {{Frivolous Lawsuit}}s between Epic Games, the finished product received mediocre reviews and rather bad sales, [[StillbornFranchise which put a damper on that trilogy they planned.]] VideoGame/XMenDestiny [[TheProblemWithLicensedGames faired no better with critics]], averaging around 50% on Metacritic [[note]]For the PS3 [=PS3=] and Xbox 360 versions, with the Wii and DS averaging around 30%[[/note]]. The reasons for the poor quality of the game has been disputed; [[http://www.kotaku.com.au/2012/10/what-went-wrong-with-silicon-knights-x-men-destiny/ comments allegedly from former employees]] claim that the game was mismanaged by President Denis Dyack, who was taking the funding from Activsion and directing it towards work on a sequel to Eternal Darkness while prolonging Destiny's development for more money, while Dyack [[http://nichegamer.com/2015/05/denis-dyack-interview-part-1-yellow-journalism-and-what-really-happened-with-x-men-destiny/ refutes the allegations]] and lays the blame on [[ExecutiveMeddling a drastic decrease in funding]] due to Disney purchasing Marvel and resulting legal issues with Activision. The nail in Silicon Knight's coffin came when Epic Games won their countersuit and received a court order to recall and destroy ''Too Human'' and ''X-Men Destiny'' along with all games currently under development, ultimately leading to the studio's closure two years later.
10th May '16 6:46:57 PM nombretomado
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* The Wachowskis have been lurching dangerously towards this status over the last few years. After a modest start with ''Film/{{Bound}}'' (which didn't do all that well at the box office but performed pretty nicely in the VHS market, no doubt due to the volume of LesYay it featured) they hit it big with ''Film/TheMatrix'', which many acclaimed for "revolutionizing" the action genre. Since then, it's been a gradual downwards slope. ''Film/TheMatrixReloaded'' did pretty well at the box office, but there was a nagging feeling among viewers that it should have been a '''lot''' better, and later that year ''Film/TheMatrixRevolutions'' was widely slammed as being [[MindScrew nigh-incomprehensible]] as well as being a poor conclusion to the series, and did only moderately well at the box office. ''Film/VForVendetta'' saw a brief return to form (although they didn't direct it), but since then it's been downhill all the way, as they helped to produce a butchered re-edit of ''[[InvasionOfTheBodySnatchers The Invasion]]'', had a major money loser with ''Film/SpeedRacer'' and their following production, ''Film/NinjaAssassin'' sank without a trace at the box office.

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* The Wachowskis have been lurching dangerously towards this status over the last few years. After a modest start with ''Film/{{Bound}}'' ''Film/{{Bound|1996}}'' (which didn't do all that well at the box office but performed pretty nicely in the VHS market, no doubt due to the volume of LesYay it featured) they hit it big with ''Film/TheMatrix'', which many acclaimed for "revolutionizing" the action genre. Since then, it's been a gradual downwards slope. ''Film/TheMatrixReloaded'' did pretty well at the box office, but there was a nagging feeling among viewers that it should have been a '''lot''' better, and later that year ''Film/TheMatrixRevolutions'' was widely slammed as being [[MindScrew nigh-incomprehensible]] as well as being a poor conclusion to the series, and did only moderately well at the box office. ''Film/VForVendetta'' saw a brief return to form (although they didn't direct it), but since then it's been downhill all the way, as they helped to produce a butchered re-edit of ''[[InvasionOfTheBodySnatchers The Invasion]]'', had a major money loser with ''Film/SpeedRacer'' and their following production, ''Film/NinjaAssassin'' sank without a trace at the box office.
3rd May '16 8:04:31 PM nombretomado
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** The result of his retooled "Batman Vs Al-Qaeda" book is out now... and even if one had never known that it began as a Batman story it's obvious Miller [[SerialNumbersFiledOff barely did anything to change the fact that the Fixer is Batman, the Cat-Burgler is Catwoman, and the policeman is Commissioner Gordon]]. ''Holy Terror'' can be described as a vehement anti-Muslim AuthorTract-filled political cartoon, similar to the others which were created in the first frantic year after 9/11. Any doubts about his writing style (as of ASBAR) being self parody are dispelled as Miller's "patriotism" and xenophobia are presented completely seriously. The whole book is a message that Muslims need to be stopped as they could become terrorists at any point. Just when you thought Frank Miller couldn't sink any lower...

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** The result of his retooled "Batman Vs Al-Qaeda" book is out now... and even if one had never known that it began as a Batman story it's obvious Miller [[SerialNumbersFiledOff barely did anything to change the fact that the Fixer is Batman, the Cat-Burgler is Catwoman, and the policeman is Commissioner Gordon]]. ''Holy Terror'' ''ComicBook/HolyTerror'' can be described as a vehement anti-Muslim AuthorTract-filled political cartoon, similar to the others which were created in the first frantic year after 9/11. Any doubts about his writing style (as of ASBAR) being self parody are dispelled as Miller's "patriotism" and xenophobia are presented completely seriously. The whole book is a message that Muslims need to be stopped as they could become terrorists at any point. Just when you thought Frank Miller couldn't sink any lower...



* Ivan Reitman used to be a well-respected Hollywood director that first broke out into fame by directing ''Meat Balls'' and is best known for being the man behind ''Film/{{Ghostbusters}}'', as well as several successful comedies like ''Film/{{Stripes}}'', ''{{Film/Twins}},'' ''Film/KindergartenCop'', and ''{{Film/Dave}}''. However, after many huge flops following the release of ''Dave'', his cred dropped considerably, to the point where even the critics began to openly dread his screen credit. ''My Super Ex-Girlfriend'', for instance, had a critic in ''Newsday'' asking "... why was it made? ... And, most important, why is there 10 bucks missing from my pocket?" He did claw some respectability back in 2011 with ''No Strings Attached'', which got decent reviews and topped the box office in its first weekend, but he still faces a lot of work if he's ever going to fully restore his reputation.

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* Ivan Reitman used to be a well-respected Hollywood director that first broke out into fame by directing ''Meat Balls'' and is best known for being the man behind ''Film/{{Ghostbusters}}'', as well as several successful comedies like ''Film/{{Stripes}}'', ''{{Film/Twins}},'' ''Film/KindergartenCop'', and ''{{Film/Dave}}''. However, after many huge flops following the release of ''Dave'', his cred dropped considerably, to the point where even the critics began to openly dread his screen credit. ''My Super Ex-Girlfriend'', ''Film/MySuperExGirlfriend'', for instance, had a critic in ''Newsday'' asking "... why was it made? ... And, most important, why is there 10 bucks missing from my pocket?" He did claw some respectability back in 2011 with ''No Strings Attached'', ''Film/NoStringsAttached'', which got decent reviews and topped the box office in its first weekend, but he still faces a lot of work if he's ever going to fully restore his reputation.



* Between the three of them, the trio of "Zucker Abrahams Zucker" (affectionately nicknamed "ZAZ") did ''Film/TheKentuckyFriedMovie'', ''Film/{{Airplane}}'', ''Series/PoliceSquad'', and ''Film/TheNakedGun''. They started splitting up after the first ''[[Film/TheNakedGun Naked Gun]]'' film and separately, all three of them have declined into this trope. Jerry Zucker's last film was the critically panned and mostly forgotten ''Film/RatRace'', after which he appears to have retired entirely, Jim Abrahams and David Zucker are stuck with ''Film/ScaryMovie 4'', and David Zucker had the high-profile flop ''An American Carol'' (an {{Anvilicious}} parody whose protagonist was a StrawmanPolitical Creator/MichaelMoore {{expy}}). That last one notably tried to play up his earlier success from ''Airplane!'', which caused the few critics that actually saw it (it [[NotScreenedForCritics wasn't screened for critics]]) to remark on how terrible it was in comparison to his earlier movies and how unfunny he has been since.

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* Between the three of them, the trio of "Zucker Abrahams Zucker" (affectionately nicknamed "ZAZ") did ''Film/TheKentuckyFriedMovie'', ''Film/{{Airplane}}'', ''Series/PoliceSquad'', and ''Film/TheNakedGun''. They started splitting up after the first ''[[Film/TheNakedGun Naked Gun]]'' film and separately, all three of them have declined into this trope. Jerry Zucker's last film was the critically panned and mostly forgotten ''Film/RatRace'', after which he appears to have retired entirely, Jim Abrahams and David Zucker are stuck with ''Film/ScaryMovie 4'', and David Zucker had the high-profile flop ''An American Carol'' ''Film/AnAmericanCarol'' (an {{Anvilicious}} parody whose protagonist was a StrawmanPolitical Creator/MichaelMoore {{expy}}). That last one notably tried to play up his earlier success from ''Airplane!'', which caused the few critics that actually saw it (it [[NotScreenedForCritics wasn't screened for critics]]) to remark on how terrible it was in comparison to his earlier movies and how unfunny he has been since.



* Rob Reiner was a force to be reckoned with as a director in the 1980s-'90s: ''Film/ThisIsSpinalTap'', ''Film/ThePrincessBride'', ''Film/StandByMe'', ''Film/WhenHarryMetSally'', ''Film/{{Misery}}'', ''Film/AFewGoodMen''... and then he made ''Film/{{North}}'' in 1994, and its box-office and especially critical failure, with only 1995's ''The American President'' and 2007's ''Film/TheBucketList'' being a comparable success since.

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* Rob Reiner was a force to be reckoned with as a director in the 1980s-'90s: ''Film/ThisIsSpinalTap'', ''Film/ThePrincessBride'', ''Film/StandByMe'', ''Film/WhenHarryMetSally'', ''Film/{{Misery}}'', ''Film/AFewGoodMen''... and then he made ''Film/{{North}}'' in 1994, and its box-office and especially critical failure, with only 1995's ''The American President'' ''Film/TheAmericanPresident'' and 2007's ''Film/TheBucketList'' being a comparable success since.



* One of the most infamous, tragic, and maybe even somewhat bizzaro examples of this is Creator/RichardWilliams. The Canadian-born animator is considered one of the most influential visionaries in his medium, and has done a lot of work such as the animation aspect of {{Who Framed Roger Rabbit}}. The infamy however regards the film ''WesternAnimation/TheThiefAndTheCobbler'', which Williams wanted to be his magnum opus. Completely grass roots financed, the film's production was started in 1964, and would go on to one of the longest productions times of any film in general in the history of contemporary media, since by the late 1980's...they still weren't finished! It was around that time that WarnerBrothers approached him with the offer to fully finance the completion of the film. However, as the film was almost devoid of dialog, singing, and other such copycat desires Warner Brothers desired to have the film compete with The Little Mermaid, the deal fell through. The Completion Bond Company helped to finish the film, with distribution by Majestic Films. However, before completion, Williams was actually taken off the project and the film was re-edited with improvised voicing, additional animation to show this, song numbers, and a number of edits to the overall narrative of the story. After the film's initial release in Australia (where it flopped), Miramax decided to make their own version of the film and release it in the United States. The end result was a disaster. Not only was the film a financial bomb, which considering its limited release...could be seen as expected, but the film was critically panned as incoherent and horribly edited. The end of a movie that took a little over 20 years to make was a nonsensical flop. It shouldn't take much imagination to guess at just how that must have felt for Williams, as the disenfranchised animator has [[OldShame absolutely refused to even]] [[CreatorBacklash acknowledge the film's existence ever since then.]] One of the most diabolical examples of [[ExecutiveMeddling Executive Meddling]] in film today.

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* One of the most infamous, tragic, and maybe even somewhat bizzaro examples of this is Creator/RichardWilliams. The Canadian-born animator is considered one of the most influential visionaries in his medium, and has done a lot of work such as the animation aspect of {{Who Framed Roger Rabbit}}.''Film/WhoFramedRogerRabbit''. The infamy however regards the film ''WesternAnimation/TheThiefAndTheCobbler'', which Williams wanted to be his magnum opus. Completely grass roots financed, the film's production was started in 1964, and would go on to one of the longest productions times of any film in general in the history of contemporary media, since by the late 1980's...they still weren't finished! It was around that time that WarnerBrothers approached him with the offer to fully finance the completion of the film. However, as the film was almost devoid of dialog, singing, and other such copycat desires Warner Brothers desired to have the film compete with The Little Mermaid, the deal fell through. The Completion Bond Company helped to finish the film, with distribution by Majestic Films. However, before completion, Williams was actually taken off the project and the film was re-edited with improvised voicing, additional animation to show this, song numbers, and a number of edits to the overall narrative of the story. After the film's initial release in Australia (where it flopped), Miramax decided to make their own version of the film and release it in the United States. The end result was a disaster. Not only was the film a financial bomb, which considering its limited release...could be seen as expected, but the film was critically panned as incoherent and horribly edited. The end of a movie that took a little over 20 years to make was a nonsensical flop. It shouldn't take much imagination to guess at just how that must have felt for Williams, as the disenfranchised animator has [[OldShame absolutely refused to even]] [[CreatorBacklash acknowledge the film's existence ever since then.]] One of the most diabolical examples of [[ExecutiveMeddling Executive Meddling]] in film today.
12th Apr '16 2:16:20 PM nombretomado
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* Wrestling/HulkHogan was once the single most dominant personality in the whole of ProfessionalWrestling, and one of the most financially successful. His AllAmericanFace role model status was permanently tarnished in TheNineties by a steroid scandal and his [[ImplausibleDeniability clumsy attempts at outright denial]]. His attempts to play Superman to the more traditional, heel-oriented WCW audience pegged him as a CreatorsPet until a well-timed FaceHeelTurn. His post-WCW appearances have typically led to one strong nostalgia-based TV or PPV number, and disappointing returns afterwards (and his non-Wrestling/{{WWE}} appearances didn't even have that one strong number). His attempts at branching out into acting went nowhere. Then the personal issues came: his son Nick was involved in a high-profile street racing accident, with a passenger in a vegetative state, Hogan himself was caught on tape claiming it was all a God-given punishment to the passenger, which the TMZ crowd did not like one bit; and a nasty divorce followed, with both sides airing their dirty laundry in public. Hogan's later attempts at a comeback with rival Wrestling/{{TNA}} haven't generateddidn't generate any significant interest, and an attempt at a revival of the Wrestling/MondayNightWars almost cost them their TV slot. The divorce and the legal settlement from the car wreck have left him with a negative net worth, and the damage done to his back by years of bumping, heavy weightlifting, and steroid abuse have more or less finished him as an active wrestler. His following attempts at staying relevant include {{TenMinuteRetirement}}s, protein powder multi-level-marketing schemes, making an ass of himself on Twitter on a regular basis, and lending his name to a midget wrestling TV show.

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* Wrestling/HulkHogan was once the single most dominant personality in the whole of ProfessionalWrestling, and one of the most financially successful. His AllAmericanFace role model status was permanently tarnished in TheNineties by a steroid scandal and his [[ImplausibleDeniability clumsy attempts at outright denial]]. His attempts to play Superman to the more traditional, heel-oriented WCW audience pegged him as a CreatorsPet until a well-timed FaceHeelTurn. His post-WCW appearances have typically led to one strong nostalgia-based TV or PPV number, and disappointing returns afterwards (and his non-Wrestling/{{WWE}} appearances didn't even have that one strong number). His attempts at branching out into acting went nowhere. Then the personal issues came: his son Nick was involved in a high-profile street racing accident, with a passenger in a vegetative state, Hogan himself was caught on tape claiming it was all a God-given punishment to the passenger, which the TMZ crowd did not like one bit; and a nasty divorce followed, with both sides airing their dirty laundry in public. Hogan's later attempts at a comeback with rival Wrestling/{{TNA}} haven't generateddidn't didn't generate any significant interest, and an attempt at a revival of the Wrestling/MondayNightWars almost cost them their TV slot. The divorce and the legal settlement from the car wreck have left him with a negative net worth, and the damage done to his back by years of bumping, heavy weightlifting, and steroid abuse have more or less finished him as an active wrestler. His following attempts at staying relevant include {{TenMinuteRetirement}}s, protein powder multi-level-marketing schemes, making an ass of himself on Twitter on a regular basis, and lending his name to a midget wrestling TV show.
13th Mar '16 11:48:17 AM nombretomado
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* In TheNineties, Creator/RobinWilliams (having built himself up from being just a stand-up comedian / [[MorkAndMindy sitcom star]]) was one of the most beloved comedic actors. He was doing it all: Adult comedies, kids' films, a few dramas here and there. And for one film in that last category, ''Film/GoodWillHunting'', he won an Oscar. And then he made ''Film/PatchAdams'', which wasn't even a bad movie, but many people were turned off by [[MoodWhiplash the combination of overly-zany humor and saccharine drama]], and many also believed that [[StrawmanHasAPoint the other doctors in the film were right]]. From then on, many television shows viewed him as a kind of walking punchline rather than the jokester. People started to focus on his less-than-stellar career choices like ''RV'', ''License To Wed'', and ''Old Dogs'' while ignoring his better output such as ''House Of D'', ''The Big White'' and ''Film/WorldsGreatestDad'' (it doesn't help that the former three are major studio films while the latter three are from independent studios). The exceptions are films like ''Film/{{Insomnia}}'' & ''Film/OneHourPhoto'' where [[PlayingAgainstType he plays the villain]].

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* In TheNineties, Creator/RobinWilliams (having built himself up from being just a stand-up comedian / [[MorkAndMindy [[Series/MorkAndMindy sitcom star]]) was one of the most beloved comedic actors. He was doing it all: Adult comedies, kids' films, a few dramas here and there. And for one film in that last category, ''Film/GoodWillHunting'', he won an Oscar. And then he made ''Film/PatchAdams'', which wasn't even a bad movie, but many people were turned off by [[MoodWhiplash the combination of overly-zany humor and saccharine drama]], and many also believed that [[StrawmanHasAPoint the other doctors in the film were right]]. From then on, many television shows viewed him as a kind of walking punchline rather than the jokester. People started to focus on his less-than-stellar career choices like ''RV'', ''License To Wed'', and ''Old Dogs'' while ignoring his better output such as ''House Of D'', ''The Big White'' and ''Film/WorldsGreatestDad'' (it doesn't help that the former three are major studio films while the latter three are from independent studios). The exceptions are films like ''Film/{{Insomnia}}'' & ''Film/OneHourPhoto'' where [[PlayingAgainstType he plays the villain]].
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* After dropping three consecutive Platinum albums from 1996-1998 and then two more that went Gold, Music/{{Master P}} dropped off the radar. An attempt to rebrand his No Limit record company didn't do much to bring Master P back to relevance. Master P's involvement with {{World Championship Wrestling}} and the rise of the more [[GlamRap polished]] Cash Money label put a damper on his sales.

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* After dropping three consecutive Platinum albums from 1996-1998 and then two more that went Gold, Music/{{Master P}} dropped off the radar. An attempt to rebrand his No Limit record company didn't do much to bring Master P back to relevance. Master P's involvement with {{World Wrestling/{{World Championship Wrestling}} and the rise of the more [[GlamRap polished]] Cash Money label put a damper on his sales.



* In 1998, Wrestling/VinceRusso was one of the best bookers and storyline writers in the Wrestling Industry. After co-masterminding the Attitude Era with VinceMcMahon and with input from several other writers, Russo was an important part of a creative team that snatched victory from the jaws of defeat in the Wrestling/MondayNightWars. Unfortunately, when his contract expired in 1999, Russo jumped ship to {{WCW}}, where he almost single-handedly killed the entire company. According to ''Literature/TheDeathOfWCW'', during the time Russo worked for the WWF he would bounce ideas off of [[ExecutiveMeddling [=McMahon=], who would decide whether or not to use them]]. In WCW, he was [[ProtectionFromEditors given free reign to do whatever he wanted]], which didn't work out. With Russo's ridiculous storylines used in a company that was famous for being very traditional when it came to wrestling, the massive mismanagement of money by Eric Bischoff, and older stars like Wrestling/HulkHogan, Wrestling/KevinNash, and Wrestling/ScottSteiner outright refusing to put over new talent, Russo's arrival, which was supposed to herald WCW's return to form, instead set about pounding in the final nail in WCW's coffin. Being part of the writing/booking team at Wrestling/{{TNA}} until October 2011, it appears that Russo has yet to learn his lesson.

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* In 1998, Wrestling/VinceRusso was one of the best bookers and storyline writers in the Wrestling Industry. After co-masterminding the Attitude Era with VinceMcMahon and with input from several other writers, Russo was an important part of a creative team that snatched victory from the jaws of defeat in the Wrestling/MondayNightWars. Unfortunately, when his contract expired in 1999, Russo jumped ship to {{WCW}}, Wrestling/{{WCW}}, where he almost single-handedly killed the entire company. According to ''Literature/TheDeathOfWCW'', during the time Russo worked for the WWF he would bounce ideas off of [[ExecutiveMeddling [=McMahon=], who would decide whether or not to use them]]. In WCW, he was [[ProtectionFromEditors given free reign to do whatever he wanted]], which didn't work out. With Russo's ridiculous storylines used in a company that was famous for being very traditional when it came to wrestling, the massive mismanagement of money by Eric Bischoff, and older stars like Wrestling/HulkHogan, Wrestling/KevinNash, and Wrestling/ScottSteiner outright refusing to put over new talent, Russo's arrival, which was supposed to herald WCW's return to form, instead set about pounding in the final nail in WCW's coffin. Being part of the writing/booking team at Wrestling/{{TNA}} until October 2011, it appears that Russo has yet to learn his lesson.
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