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* The Wachowskis have been lurching dangerously towards this status over the last few years. After a modest start with ''{{Bound}}'' (which didn't do all that well at the box office but performed pretty nicely in the VHS market, no doubt due to the volume of LesYay it featured) they hit it big with ''Film/TheMatrix'', which many acclaimed for "revolutionizing" the action genre. Since then, it's been a gradual downwards slope. ''The Matrix Reloaded'' did pretty well at the box office, but there was a nagging feeling among viewers that it should have been a '''lot''' better, and later that year ''The Matrix Revolutions'' was widely slammed as being [[MindScrew nigh-incomprehensible]] as well as being a poor conclusion to the series, and did only moderately well at the box office. ''VForVendetta'' saw a brief return to form (although they didn't direct it), but since then it's been downhill all the way, as they helped to produce a butchered re-edit of ''[[InvasionOfTheBodySnatchers The Invasion]]'', had a major money loser with ''Film/SpeedRacer'' and their most recent production, ''NinjaAssassin'' sank without a trace at the box office. Reports of their next film being a "hard-R gay love story" between an Iraq war soldier and an Iraqi likely won't help gain fans back.

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* The Wachowskis have been lurching dangerously towards this status over the last few years. After a modest start with ''{{Bound}}'' (which didn't do all that well at the box office but performed pretty nicely in the VHS market, no doubt due to the volume of LesYay it featured) they hit it big with ''Film/TheMatrix'', which many acclaimed for "revolutionizing" the action genre. Since then, it's been a gradual downwards slope. ''The Matrix Reloaded'' did pretty well at the box office, but there was a nagging feeling among viewers that it should have been a '''lot''' better, and later that year ''The Matrix Revolutions'' was widely slammed as being [[MindScrew nigh-incomprehensible]] as well as being a poor conclusion to the series, and did only moderately well at the box office. ''Film/VForVendetta'' saw a brief return to form (although they didn't direct it), but since then it's been downhill all the way, as they helped to produce a butchered re-edit of ''[[InvasionOfTheBodySnatchers The Invasion]]'', had a major money loser with ''Film/SpeedRacer'' and their most recent production, ''NinjaAssassin'' sank without a trace at the box office. Reports of their next film being a "hard-R gay love story" between an Iraq war soldier and an Iraqi likely won't help gain fans back.

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* {{Rare}} began as a small company that made various games, its first being ''Jetpac'' for the ZX Spectrum. Soon after, it produced a few more games for various consoles like ''VideoGame/{{Battletoads}}'', various movie-licensed games (like ''ANightmareOnElmStreet'' and ''WhoFramedRogerRabbit'') and ''R.C. Pro-Am''. Starting with ''VideoGame/DonkeyKongCountry'' and ''VideoGame/KillerInstinct'' for the SuperNintendo, Rare had become a successful Nintendo developer at its peak in the Nintendo 64 era, creating ''[[VideoGame/GoldenEye1997 GoldenEye]]'', ''DiddyKongRacing'', ''{{Banjo-Kazooie}}'' and its sequel ''Banjo-Tooie'', ''PerfectDark'', ''JetForceGemini'', ''Donkey Kong 64'', and ''VideoGame/ConkersBadFurDay''. Enter the {{GameCube}} era, and Rare created ''VideoGame/StarFoxAdventures'', which is considered the [[OddballInTheSeries black sheep]] of the ''VideoGame/StarFox'' series, if not completely without merit (To their defense, ''Adventures'' was the result of Nintendo doing some ExecutiveMeddling on what was to be ''Dinosaur Planet'' at the time). In the middle of production of ''VideoGame/StarFoxAdventures'', Microsoft acquired Rare, moving it from being a successful Nintendo developer into a poster child for Microsoft. As a Microsoft developer, Rare created for the {{Xbox}} ''Grabbed by the Ghoulies'', which is known as Rare's biggest flop, and a remake of ''Conker''. It got a little better into the Xbox 360 era, with ''KameoElementsOfPower'' (a game they'd ''started'' working on before their fall) and ''VivaPinata'', and revived ''Banjo-Kazooie'' with ''Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts'' (albeit with mixed results, and fairly low sales), but not to their former glory.

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* {{Rare}} began as a small company that made various games, its first being ''Jetpac'' for the ZX Spectrum. Soon after, it produced a few more games for various consoles like ''VideoGame/{{Battletoads}}'', various movie-licensed games (like ''Franchise/ANightmareOnElmStreet'' and ''WhoFramedRogerRabbit'') and ''R.C. Pro-Am''. Starting with ''VideoGame/DonkeyKongCountry'' and ''VideoGame/KillerInstinct'' for the SuperNintendo, Rare had become a successful Nintendo developer at its peak in the Nintendo 64 era, creating ''[[VideoGame/GoldenEye1997 GoldenEye]]'', ''DiddyKongRacing'', ''{{Banjo-Kazooie}}'' and its sequel ''Banjo-Tooie'', ''PerfectDark'', ''JetForceGemini'', ''Donkey Kong 64'', and ''VideoGame/ConkersBadFurDay''. Enter the {{GameCube}} era, and Rare created ''VideoGame/StarFoxAdventures'', which is considered the [[OddballInTheSeries black sheep]] of the ''VideoGame/StarFox'' series, if not completely without merit (To their defense, ''Adventures'' was the result of Nintendo doing some ExecutiveMeddling on what was to be ''Dinosaur Planet'' at the time). In the middle of production of ''VideoGame/StarFoxAdventures'', Microsoft acquired Rare, moving it from being a successful Nintendo developer into a poster child for Microsoft. As a Microsoft developer, Rare created for the {{Xbox}} ''Grabbed by the Ghoulies'', which is known as Rare's biggest flop, and a remake of ''Conker''. It got a little better into the Xbox 360 era, with ''KameoElementsOfPower'' (a game they'd ''started'' working on before their fall) and ''VivaPinata'', and revived ''Banjo-Kazooie'' with ''Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts'' (albeit with mixed results, and fairly low sales), but not to their former glory.

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* Former {{Disney}} [=CEO=] Michael Eisner is often remembered now as a talentless, soul-sucking hack that "destroyed" the company built by Walt and Roy O. Disney. [[{{Misblamed}} Few remember]] that the company had nearly been destroyed by Ron Miller's inept leadership in the early '80s, and that Eisner was brought in by Roy E. Disney after the first "Save Disney" campaign in 1984. Eisner took Disney to the major market force that exists today -- returning it to higher-budget films, creating the Touchstone division for adult-oriented material, and pushing for the much-lauded Disney Renaissance that revived animated films after the false start of ''TheBlackCauldron''. He believed in ''WhoFramedRogerRabbit'' and brought new interest to the golden age of animation, while getting Disney into television animation (resulting in ''WesternAnimation/DuckTales'', ''WesternAnimation/DarkwingDuck'', ''WesternAnimation/TaleSpin'', ''WesternAnimation/{{Gargoyles}}'', etc.). But when Disney's president Frank Wells died in a helicopter crash just before the release of ''TheLionKing'' in 1994, long-time studio chairman Jeffrey Katzenberg expected to be promoted to fill Wells' position. When Eisner refused and forced Katzenberg to resign, he left the studio to found Creator/{{Dreamworks}}, whose [[Creator/DreamworksAnimation animation arm]] became a major competitor to Disney's. The promotion of Eisner's friend Michael Ovitz to the position was a disaster that upset most of the shareholders -- even more so when he left the company with a $38 million dollar severance. Disney's new films, shows, and theme parks began to tank one after another in the late '90s and early 2000s -- accused of becoming formulaic, obsessed with TheMerch, and in the case of the parks outright lazy and cheap, while the ''old'' animated films were hit hard by DirectToVideo {{Sequelitis}}. Eisner burned enough bridges that even ''{{Pixar}}'' was ready to end their long partnership. In the wake of this, Roy E. Disney resigned from the board of directors and started a second "Save Disney" campaign to get rid of Eisner, who resigned under extreme pressure in 2005. It wasn't all doom and gloom for ''both'' Disney and Eisner though -- Disney under Bob Iger is slowly recovering, having rebuilt the bridges with Pixar and drawing positive attention from the public with [[ThePrincessAndTheFrog three]] [[Film/TronLegacy particular]] [[EpicMickey projects]], while Eisner's guest-hosting stint on ''TheCharlieRoseShow'' not long after his ouster led to him getting a regular talk-show on CNBC; he continues to expand into Internet production and he bought the Topps baseball company.

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* Former {{Disney}} [=CEO=] Michael Eisner is often remembered now as a talentless, soul-sucking hack that "destroyed" the company built by Walt and Roy O. Disney. [[{{Misblamed}} Few remember]] that the company had nearly been destroyed by Ron Miller's inept leadership in the early '80s, and that Eisner was brought in by Roy E. Disney after the first "Save Disney" campaign in 1984. Eisner took Disney to the major market force that exists today -- returning it to higher-budget films, creating the Touchstone division for adult-oriented material, and pushing for the much-lauded Disney Renaissance that revived animated films after the false start of ''TheBlackCauldron''. He believed in ''WhoFramedRogerRabbit'' and brought new interest to the golden age of animation, while getting Disney into television animation (resulting in ''WesternAnimation/DuckTales'', ''WesternAnimation/DarkwingDuck'', ''WesternAnimation/TaleSpin'', ''WesternAnimation/{{Gargoyles}}'', etc.). But when Disney's president Frank Wells died in a helicopter crash just before the release of ''Disney/TheLionKing'' in 1994, long-time studio chairman Jeffrey Katzenberg expected to be promoted to fill Wells' position. When Eisner refused and forced Katzenberg to resign, he left the studio to found Creator/{{Dreamworks}}, whose [[Creator/DreamworksAnimation animation arm]] became a major competitor to Disney's. The promotion of Eisner's friend Michael Ovitz to the position was a disaster that upset most of the shareholders -- even more so when he left the company with a $38 million dollar severance. Disney's new films, shows, and theme parks began to tank one after another in the late '90s and early 2000s -- accused of becoming formulaic, obsessed with TheMerch, and in the case of the parks outright lazy and cheap, while the ''old'' animated films were hit hard by DirectToVideo {{Sequelitis}}. Eisner burned enough bridges that even ''{{Pixar}}'' was ready to end their long partnership. In the wake of this, Roy E. Disney resigned from the board of directors and started a second "Save Disney" campaign to get rid of Eisner, who resigned under extreme pressure in 2005. It wasn't all doom and gloom for ''both'' Disney and Eisner though -- Disney under Bob Iger is slowly recovering, having rebuilt the bridges with Pixar and drawing positive attention from the public with [[ThePrincessAndTheFrog three]] [[Film/TronLegacy particular]] [[EpicMickey projects]], while Eisner's guest-hosting stint on ''TheCharlieRoseShow'' not long after his ouster led to him getting a regular talk-show on CNBC; he continues to expand into Internet production and he bought the Topps baseball company.

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** Traviss' works started out with the hit "Hard Contact", which is considered one of the best Clone Wars novels written, and then delivered the well received "Triple Zero". But following these books, her bias towards Mandalorians and her demonizing of the Jedi left EU readers [[BrokenBase divided]]. Things only got worse with her contributions to LegacyOfTheForce, where she managed to kill off two beloved fan favorites in disappointing fashion, and delegating the main plot to the sideline to make way for the [[SpotlightStealingSquad Mandalorians]]. Her abrasive attitude towards people who disagreed with her on StarWars message boards gained her a sizable Hatedom. She has since left writing in the EU due to contractual reasons, but mentioning her is surefire Flamebait for some. Since then, she has moved on to the ''VideoGame/GearsOfWar'' and ''{{Franchise/Halo}}'' universes. Her first book for the latter, ''Literature/HaloGlasslands'' was poorly received by the fandom for its {{demonization}} of Dr. Catherine Halsey. Traviss removed many of Halsey's positive traits, [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone such as her guilt over the SPARTAN Program]], and had most of her companions now hate her and constantly talk about how evil she is. In addition, ''Glassland''[='=]s "good" characters were actually just as amoral as Halsey, causing severe MoralMyopia as they lectured her and heaped humiliating punishments. Thus the sequel book, ''Literature/HaloTheThursdayWar'', attempted several {{Authors Saving Throw}}s to try to rectify the hypocrisy, and [[WriterRevolt 343 Industries itself]] turned ''Glassland'''s protagonist into a BiggerBad. and is slated to start writing the next set of ''{{Halo}}'' novels. Only time will tell if she will alienate those fanbases as well.

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** Traviss' works started out with the hit ''Hard Contact'', which is considered one of the best Clone Wars novels written, and then delivered the well received ''Triple Zero''. But following these books, her bias towards Mandalorians and her demonizing of the Jedi left EU readers [[BrokenBase divided]]. Things only got worse with her contributions to LegacyOfTheForce, where she managed to kill off two beloved fan favorites in disappointing fashion, and delegating the main plot to the sideline to make way for the [[SpotlightStealingSquad Mandalorians]]. Her abrasive attitude towards people who disagreed with her on StarWars message boards gained her a sizable Hatedom. She has since left writing in the EU due to contractual reasons, but mentioning her is surefire Flamebait for some. 
*** Since then, she has moved on to the ''VideoGame/GearsOfWar'' and ''{{Franchise/Halo}}'' universes. Her first book for the latter, ''Literature/HaloGlasslands'' was poorly received by the fandom for its {{demonization}} of Dr. Catherine Halsey. Traviss removed many of Halsey's positive traits, [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone such as her guilt over the SPARTAN Program]], and had most of her companions now hate her and constantly talk about how evil she is. In addition, ''Glassland''[='=]s "good" characters were actually just as amoral as Halsey, causing severe MoralMyopia as they lectured her and heaped humiliating punishments. Thus the sequel book, ''Literature/HaloTheThursdayWar'', attempted several {{Authors Saving Throw}}s to try to rectify the hypocrisy, and [[WriterRevolt 343 Industries itself]] turned ''Glassland'''s protagonist into a BiggerBad. and is slated to start writing the next set of ''{{Halo}}'' novels. Only time will tell if she will alienate those fanbases as well.

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** Traviss' works started out with the hit "Hard Contact", which is considered one of the best Clone Wars novels written, and then delivered the well received "Triple Zero". But following these books, her bias towards Mandalorians and her demonizing of the Jedi left EU readers [[BrokenBase divided]]. Things only got worse with her contributions to LegacyOfTheForce, where she managed to kill off two beloved fan favorites in disappointing fashion, and delegating the main plot to the sideline to make way for the [[SpotlightStealingSquad Mandalorians]]. Her abrasive attitude towards people who disagreed with her on StarWars message boards gained her a sizable Hatedom. She has since left writing in the EU due to contractual reasons, but mentioning her is surefire Flamebait for some.  Since then, she has moved on to the ''VideoGame/GearsOfWar'' and ''{{Franchise/Halo}}'' universes. Her first book for the latter, ''Literature/HaloGlasslands'' was poorly received by the fandom for its {{demonization}} of Dr. Catherine Halsey. Traviss removed many of Halsey's positive traits, [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone such as her guilt over the SPARTAN Program]], and had most of her companions now hate her and constantly talk about how evil she is. In addition, ''Glassland''[='=]s "good" characters were actually just as amoral as Halsey, causing severe MoralMyopia as they lectured her and heaped humiliating punishments. Thus the sequel book, ''Literature/HaloTheThursdayWar'', attempted several {{Authors Saving Throw}}s to try to rectify the hypocrisy, and [[WriterRevolt 343 Industries itself]] turned ''Glassland'''s protagonist into a BiggerBad. and is slated to start writing the next set of ''{{Halo}}'' novels. Only time will tell if she will alienate those fanbases as well.
** Troy Denning made a big hit with the novel ''Star By Star'', a book which defined the NewJediOrder series. He followed up on this with the Literature/DarkNestTrilogy, on which opinions are all over the place. He has been accused of major CharacterDerailment in LegacyOfTheForce and more recently FateOfTheJedi. Fans are divided on whether his DarkerAndEdgier approach to ''Star Wars'' is the best for the ExpandedUniverse.

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* One of the more tragic examples -- GunpeiYokoi was a creative genius at Creator/{{Nintendo}} that was making successes even before ShigeruMiyamoto became the public face of the company. On top of being the inventor of the D-pad that all gaming controllers use to this day, he created the ''[[GameAndWatch Game & Watch]]'' series that broke Nintendo into home video games, and later replicated this with the GameBoy. Serving as a producer, he also oversaw the creation of ''{{Metroid}}'', ''KidIcarus'', ''FireEmblem'', ''VideoGame/DrMario'', and ''VideoGame/PanelDePon''. Then he made the Virtual Boy. The high-profile disaster of a system was discontinued within a year, by which time he had become ''persona non grata'' at Nintendo. Nintendo was notoriously cruel to the poor guy, too. After the Virtual Boy debacle, they made him man the booth at a trade show, which in Japanese corporate culture is considered entry-level work, and thus a severe insult to someone of Yokoi's stature. He eventually resigned and began development on the Japan-only handheld system, the [=WonderSwan=], which did go on to be a reasonable challenger to the Game Boy's domination in Japan. But sadly he didn't live to see it as he died suddenly in a traffic accident in 1997. After his death, Nintendo paid tribute to him and still recognize him to this day as an important figure in the company's history... and are kind enough to his departed soul to just forget the Virtual Boy ever happened.

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* One of the more tragic examples -- GunpeiYokoi was a creative genius at Creator/{{Nintendo}} that was making successes even before ShigeruMiyamoto became the public face of the company. On top of being the inventor of the D-pad that all gaming controllers use to this day, he created the ''[[GameAndWatch Game & Watch]]'' series that broke Nintendo into home video games, and later replicated this with the GameBoy. Serving as a producer, he also oversaw the creation of ''{{Metroid}}'', ''KidIcarus'', ''FireEmblem'', ''VideoGame/DrMario'', and ''VideoGame/PanelDePon''.  Then he made the Virtual Boy. The high-profile disaster of a system was discontinued within a year, by which time he had become ''persona non grata'' at Nintendo. Nintendo was notoriously cruel to the poor guy, too. After the Virtual Boy debacle, they made him man the booth at a trade show, which in Japanese corporate culture is considered entry-level work, and thus a severe insult to someone of Yokoi's stature. He eventually resigned and began development on the Japan-only handheld system, the [=WonderSwan=], which did go on to be a reasonable challenger to the Game Boy's domination in Japan. But sadly he didn't live to see it as he died suddenly in a traffic accident in 1997. After his death, Nintendo paid tribute to him and still recognize him to this day as an important figure in the company's history... and are kind enough to his departed soul to just forget the Virtual Boy ever happened.

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* One of the more tragic examples -- GunpeiYokoi was a creative genius at Creator/{{Nintendo}} that was making successes even before ShigeruMiyamoto became the public face of the company. On top of being the inventor of the D-pad that all gaming controllers use to this day, he created the ''[[GameAndWatch Game & Watch]]'' series that broke Nintendo into home video games, and later replicated this with the GameBoy. Serving as a producer, he also oversaw the creation of ''{{Metroid}}'', ''KidIcarus'', ''FireEmblem'', and ''VideoGame/DrMario''. Then he made the Virtual Boy. The high-profile disaster of a system was discontinued within a year, by which time he had become ''persona non grata'' at Nintendo. Nintendo was notoriously cruel to the poor guy, too. After the Virtual Boy debacle, they made him man the booth at a trade show, which in Japanese corporate culture is considered entry-level work, and thus a severe insult to someone of Yokoi's stature. He eventually resigned and began development on the Japan-only handheld system, the [=WonderSwan=], which did go on to be a reasonable challenger to the Game Boy's domination in Japan. But sadly he didn't live to see it as he died suddenly in a traffic accident in 1997. After his death, Nintendo paid tribute to him and still recognize him to this day as an important figure in the company's history... and are kind enough to his departed soul to just forget the Virtual Boy ever happened.

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* One of the more tragic examples -- GunpeiYokoi was a creative genius at Creator/{{Nintendo}} that was making successes even before ShigeruMiyamoto became the public face of the company. On top of being the inventor of the D-pad that all gaming controllers use to this day, he created the ''[[GameAndWatch Game & Watch]]'' series that broke Nintendo into home video games, and later replicated this with the GameBoy. Serving as a producer, he also oversaw the creation of ''{{Metroid}}'', ''KidIcarus'', ''FireEmblem'', ''VideoGame/DrMario'', and ''VideoGame/PanelDePon''.  Then he made the Virtual Boy. The high-profile disaster of a system was discontinued within a year, by which time he had become ''persona non grata'' at Nintendo. Nintendo was notoriously cruel to the poor guy, too. After the Virtual Boy debacle, they made him man the booth at a trade show, which in Japanese corporate culture is considered entry-level work, and thus a severe insult to someone of Yokoi's stature. He eventually resigned and began development on the Japan-only handheld system, the [=WonderSwan=], which did go on to be a reasonable challenger to the Game Boy's domination in Japan. But sadly he didn't live to see it as he died suddenly in a traffic accident in 1997. After his death, Nintendo paid tribute to him and still recognize him to this day as an important figure in the company's history... and are kind enough to his departed soul to just forget the Virtual Boy ever happened.

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