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  • Actor Shipping:
    • In the original trilogy days, fans who loved Luke and Leia's romantic chemistry turned into shipping Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher (nicknamed "Marrie", apparently), due to them being very close in real-life. It was eventually revealed in Carrie Fisher's memoir (mentioned below) that Mark indeed had a crush on her during the production of Episode IV.
    • Lots of fans who ships Han/Leia also shipped Carrie with Harrison Ford. Even moreso after the rumors of their supposed affair during the production, which was confirmed by Carrie herself on her memoir, The Princess Diarist, before her passing. It went to the point where Mark Hamill also shipped them, even moreso by calling them "Carrison" and "Harrie". The name "Carrison" eventually turned up as a chapter title in The Princess Diarist.
    Carrie Fisher: “It was Han and Leia during the week, and Carrie and Harrison during the weekend.”
    • In the prequel era, there was a small amount of fans who shipped Natalie Portman with Hayden Christensen, nicknamed 'Nayden'. The fact that they briefly dated during production did not hurt either.
    • And now, John Boyega and Daisy Ridley became a ship loved by many, not only for their on-screen chemistry but also for their strong off-screen chemistry (similar to Mark/Carrie above), which was further ignited by John Boyega giving her an Affectionate Nickname, "Peanut"
    • After the release of Rogue One, Felicity Jones and Diego Luna picked up some flames from Jyn/Cassian shippers. Also, Mads Mikkelsen and Ben Mendelsohn got quite a number of shippers after they showed quite a chemistry on interview/events, at least until the former got close to Hideo Kojima.
  • Alternate Character Interpretation: Quite a bit of this in fandom.
    • Anakin Skywalker is a Base-Breaking Character (as stated below) - is he a self-involved brat who always whines about how hard his life is or a hapless Pawn of Prophecy, or a psychotic Stalker with a Crush who used the Force to Mind Rape the woman he was obsessed with, or a poor misunderstood Jerkass Woobie who would have been fine if those cold and unfeeling Jedi had just tried harder to understand him? Well, it depends which fans you ask.
    • His mentor, Obi-Wan Kenobi also gets his fair share and it's arguable that some inconsistencies are the results of Retcons in the prequels from things already established (or implied) in the Original Trilogy—and then there are things thrown in from the EU (such as the Jedi Apprentice novels). For instance, some cite his Chessmaster tendencies in the original trilogy and see him as self-righteous and authoritarian in the prequels, but the novelization of Revenge of the Sith characterises him as so self-effacing, that he genuinely doesn't realise his true value and abilities as a Jedi (his reaction when the Jedi Council announce that they are sending their "most cunning and most tenacious Master" to deal with General Grievous is both touching and amusing. He asks who they intend to send and then it dawns on him that everyone else is looking at him). It could also be inferred that Obi-Wan himself is something of an Unreliable Narrator who tends to emphasise his own failures and relative culpability (which would fit in the self-effacing characterisation mentioned above). For instance, when Obi-Wan tells Luke that Anakin's fall was partially his fault because "I thought I could instruct him as well as Yoda. I was wrong." in Return of the Jedi it somewhat implies that Obi-Wan must have arrogantly demanded to train someone that Yoda would have been willing to train and done a better job with. Come The Phantom Menace this is shown clearly not to be the case. Obi-Wan is perhaps a little arrogant in the way he demands to train the boy, but it seems clear that a) Yoda was not willing to do the job and b) the demand is driven by his promise to a dying man rather that any belief in his own abilities as a teacher. And there doesn't seem to be any cases where Obi Wan tries to represent his role in events to be bigger or better than is actually seen or to place blame for his problems on others. Maybe he really is that humble and/or shy of taking praise or credit?
    • Some like to think the Jedi are more evil/susceptible to the Dark Side than they admit due to certain actions and behaviors. Obi-Wan and Yoda in particular get hit with Ron the Death Eater interpretations in regard to their training of Luke and hiding the truth about Vader to him.
    • The Jedi Council are portrayed as maliciously indifferent in some fanworks and EU materials, caring only for their own agenda while doing whatever they have to to achieve it. In the prequels, they state that the 9 year old Anakin is too old to begin the training, implying they normally take children when they are too young to understand what they are actually doing. They also appear to be blind to their own hypocrisy note  and deal with emotion in a way that suggests the current generation of Jedi Masters were all poorly trained in handling them. The frequent and violent outbursts by young adult Jedi that lead to their deaths or expulsion from the Order often gets met with tutting and proclamations that "(s)he simply lacked the discipline" and that other Jedi should repress themselves even more. Basically, they come off as Not So Different from the Sith in any way other than how they handle emotion, which is just as bad but in a different way from their enemies. The prophesy that a child would bring "balance" to the force by destroying the Sith once and for all also reeks of Protagonist-Centered Morality, since it would only be further unbalancing the Force towards the Light Side.
    • There's been some speculation that Jar Jar Binks is actually force-sensitive. The main citation (as per The Fool) is that with some of the crap he lives through and pulls off, there is no way all of that is purely incidental.
    • One theory that's been gaining popularity takes it even further: Not only is Jar Jar utilizing Obfuscating Stupidity (his bumbling antics being a form of Drunken Fist), but he's actually a Sith lord, co-conspirator with Palpatine, the Evil Counterpart to Yoda (who was also introduced as an annoying alien who was a lot wiser and more important than he let on) and possibly even the Bigger Bad of both trilogies. The fact that the voice actor for Jar Jar seemed to nebulously confirm this theory on multiple occasions only threw more fuel on the fire.
    • This video makes the argument that Jar Jar Binks is more heroic than Chewbacca.
  • Angst Dissonance: It's very likely that Anakin himself in the prequels is deliberately written to be Wangsty, due to the fact that his anger leads to his path down to the Dark Side.
  • Applicability: With as much impact as the series has had on popular culture, people have found ways to relate Star Wars, especially the films' elaborate political backdrop, to pretty much every aspect of everyday life. The Prequels, for instance, are often analyzed as a satire of the United States' liberal-conservative divide, and the George W. Bush Presidency in particular.
  • Archive Panic: The Star Wars franchise is one of the biggest media franchises around—it consists of seven movies (with three more on the way), numerous spin off films and animated cartoon series, a monstrous amount of comic books, comic strips, books and novels (Wikipedia lists at least 303 books total), over 120 video game tie ins and other misc. material (I.e. The radio and audio dramas, and enough toys and merchandise to fill the Executor). And new content is still being made to this day, and after 39 years, it is showing no signs of stopping.
  • Author's Saving Throw: When the franchise was bought by Disney, many expanded universe elements were deemed non-canon and placed under the Legends continuity. As a result, the non-canonization of many fan-favorite characters, such as Thrawn and Mara Jade, left quite a few fans dissatisfied. Come 2017, and Thrawn has been adapted to the Disney-produced canon series Rebels, while Han Solo's mentor figure, Garris Shrike, is teased by Woody Harrelson as the character he'll be playing in the Han Solo anthology film.
  • Badass Decay:
    • Padme Amidala, when she becomes pregnant with twins in Revenge of the Sith. Justified in that she's eight to nine months pregnant.
    • Some people also say this about Darth Vader and Anakin Skywalker in the prequels, though this would qualify in-universe as taking a level in badass by the time the Rebellion comes around.
    • General Grievous. Badass in the now-non-canon Star Wars: Clone Wars where he debuted versus his coughing coward appearance in Revenge of the Sith. Star Wars: The Clone Wars does a better job of showing Grievous' fighting abilities, keeping him in line with the movie's pragmatic side while portraying him as a formidable, but not overty badass fighter.
  • Base-Breaking Character:
    • Anakin's fanbase vs. hatedom is evenly split between those who liked or hated the prequels. Both sides will praise his portrayal in Star Wars: The Clone Wars through. Surprisingly, his legendary future self - Darth Vader - has also become a minor example, due to the Disney-era movies shilling his character to some extent (The Force Awakens makes a point of Kylo Ren not being able to live up to his predecessor, while Rogue One paints Vader as a terrifying, larger-than-life figure to an even greater degree than the original trilogy did). For a while, there was some backlash over Darth Vader's page on Wookieepedia being merged into Anakin's page for canon reasons, due to prequel Anakin being a Base-Breaking Character while original trilogy Vader was one of the most universally beloved characters in the franchise. Possibly in response to this, The Other Wiki merged both versions of the character into Vader's page due to Vader being the more well-known form in popular culture.
    • Within the fans whom solely liked the originals, the Ewoks are debated as whether are the start of Lucas making mistakes or aren't that annoying but should be viewed more positively in light of Jar Jar's antics.
    • Within the prequel fanbase the criticism towards Jar Jar is either justified on its own or overinflated by those whom hated the prequels against a character that wasn't that annoying or stereotypical in hindsight. Depending on whether it proves to be true, the theory about what Jar Jar might have been all along (see Alternate Character Interpretation above) threatens to blow up the breaks on this base all over again.
  • Better on DVD: If you get the Complete Saga collection, you'll get all six movies so that you don't have to buy them separately. This makes it slightly easier for a viewing experience, as both trilogies were originally sold separately. It counts also even for the regular editions (including as a DVD release), as all three films of both trilogies are collected in the set instead of separately.
  • Broken Base:
    • There is a schism between fans who enjoy the prequels but find the originals to be outdated, the fans who insist that the original trilogy is the best and that the prequels can piss off on account for their lower quality writing and the fans who believe that the entire series is good. With The Force Awakens and the rest of Disney's new Star Wars movies on the horizon, the schism has only grown. There are also fans who enjoy the Expanded Universe and those who don't care for it. More generally, there is a related but not identical schism between pro-Lucas and anti-Lucas fans.
    • Expect a schism to grow between fans who loved The Force Awakens and fans who loved Rogue One.
    • Two of the home video releases, the 2006 "Limited Edition" DVD release and the 2011 Blu-ray release. Most other releases were either generally liked or hated.
      • For the 2006 "Limited Edition" with the original theatrical versions, some fans were gleeful/grateful that Lucas finally let them see Han shoot first, see Sebastian Shaw's ghost instead of Hayden Christensen's, hear Jason Wingreen as Boba Fett, watch Jabba's performers sing "Lapti Nek", etc. Other fans were extremely critical about the poor quality of the originalsnote  and believed that Lucas was intentionally creating an inferior product to suit his own purposes.
      • For the Blu-ray versions, on one hand, you have the picture quality, the boatload of extras and the opportunity to watch all six movies in brilliant hi-def. On the other hand, you have the various edits (and Lucas' refusal to revert old unpopular edits such as Greedo shooting first), horribly lame cover art that shows how much Lucas loves Jake Lloyd (however, as of 2015, there is a new cover art with a generic-but-still-awesome Darth Vader), and the picture quality.
    • In general, are the original trilogy movies still watchable despite Lucas' extensive revisionism, or do the edits truly detract from the narrative and characterization? Some people in the latter camp aren't fed up with the edits themselves as they were with Lucas' anti-fan attitude in making such edits back when he was in control of the franchise, especially canonites because the newest revision of the movies is always the canon one. However, some fans believe that purists' complaints about the edits and religious adherence to the original versions can be just as bad as Lucas' refusal to respect their wishes, especially when they complain about edits that don't affect the story or characterization, with Boba Fett's voice being a prime example.
    • Anakin Skywalker in the prequels either had a well-developed fall or was too Wangsty.
    • As far as an alien race goes, the Ewoks are tolerated or hated depending on the fan.
    • Is Hayden Christensen is a bad actor or a good actor given bad lines and direction?
    • The lightsaber duel scenes from the prequel trilogy are another intense point of debate. For supporters, they are exciting, look awesome and are a perfect representation of the super-human feats Jedi and Sith were capable of at their prime. Detractors, on the other hand, consider them to be ridiculously over-choreographed, to the point that they look like dance performances instead of actual fights. Also, they argue almost all of them lack an emotional core, so they don't care at all about what happens in them.
    • Fans are very divided on the untitled Anthology movie about a young Han Solo. Part of the fandom is excited about what his backstory will be in the new continuity, another part of the fandom thinks it's completely unnecessary and cheapens the character especially after his death in The Force Awakens, and another group lost interest when the shortlist of potential actors for young Han Solo appeared on the Internet, believing it to be entirely WTF Casting Agency. On top of that, Harrison Ford will inevitably be a Tough Act to Follow regardless of who they pick.
    • The choice of Colin Trevorrow to direct the ninth film and finale to the sequel trilogy. After the financially successful but critically mixed reception towards his work on Jurassic World, the fanbase is divided between those who loved that film and think he will do a great job, and those who hated it and don't think he's capable of doing it justice. Others are fine with the choice of him as director but dislike the possibility of him being involved in the writing process, citing it as the weakest aspect of his previous films.
    • Return of The Jedi. While it has gotten more love over time, some people still find it inferior to the previous two films, while others feel the critcism it gets is unfair. Even professional critics have defended the film. In his review of The Force Awakens, Angry Joe stated: "A lot of people shit on Jedi but they're WRONG, Jedi is awesome" and gave it a solid 9 out of 10. One lower than Empire and Hope and one higher that Awakens. Doug Walker also spoke out in his Disneycember review that he didn't understand why it was considered the light-hearted one when there was so much dark stuff in it and that he thought the film got a bum rap, and while there were criticisms to be made, that some of the stuff in Jedi was much better than the other films and had some of the best moments.
    • The Disney-era projects. Has Star Wars finally found its footing, or does it focus too much on Pandering to the Base at the expense of originality?
    • Should the franchise pander more to kids or adults? Star Wars has no specific demographic and is consistently marketed to all age groups, but some works clearly skew more towards certain subgroups, with Lucas leaning towards the former and Disney towards the latter. Within the main movie series, The Phantom Menace is the most kid-friendly of the bunch with the sheer amount of kid-appeal characters and comic relief, while the Disney-era movies (especially Rogue One) take on a more "adult" tone with their emphasis on realism, character depth and original trilogy nostalgia.
    • French and Italian are the two main languages in which the franchise got a large amount of dub name changes. As such, the dub names are highly debated by fans who speak those languages, especially since most (but not all) characters' names were reverted for newer installments. A common argument is that the English names sound better but the dub names are more nostalgic. In fact, when a poll was held in Italy on whether to revert Darth Vader's name for Revenge of the Sith, the vote was roughly split in half, with the dub name "Dart Fener" winning by a hair - which didn't matter in the end when the Italian dub of The Force Awakens reverted every character's name to the original. Averted in French Canada, where despite the fact that they didn't redub the original trilogy, fans are firmly on the side of the English names, and all material from The Phantom Menace onwards reverted them (including Vader's).
  • Canon Fodder: Despite the Expanded Universe, or maybe because of it.
  • Contested Sequel:
    • Due to the vitrolic nature of the Broken Base, every movie after The Empire Strikes Back is seen as this. Empire itself, was widely seen as this at the time of release due to being Darker and Edgier and ending on a cliffhanger. Return of the Jedi was far better received at the time than Empire, and it was only by the end of the 80s that it came to be highly regarded.
    • The Prequel Trilogy as a whole is subject to this, but generally liked by those who are "new fans".
  • Complete Monster: See Emperor Palpatine and the others here.
  • Critical Backlash:
    • The prequel trilogy, especially The Phantom Menace, gets this in spades due to the often vitriolic nature of the people's dislike for them, which can cause people new to the franchise to wonder what all the fuss was about. Revenge of the Sith gets it much less so than the other two, although it is still gets enough flack to warrant the same status as the other two.
    • Ironically enough, Jedi, while still generally seen as the worst of the original trilogy, is getting more and more praise as time passes and it's not uncommon to hear people claim it as their favorite of the original trilogy after the prequels came out.
    • As noted in the Misblamed section, some fans feel that Jake Lloyd and Hayden Christensen get too much hatred for their terrible performances, pointing out how other actors gave similarly bad performances yet didn't get as much fan ire. Instead, they point to the bad screenplay and George Lucas's direction. The bullying that Lloyd received for his portrayal and Lucas admitting that he can't write effective dialogue only increased this backlash.
  • Critical Dissonance:
    • The prequels had better reception than most internet forums and comments sections would have one believe, considering the first two got a So Okay, It's Average reaction with 59% and 67% scores on Rotten Tomatoes and a rather positive 79% for Episode III, only less than Return of the Jedi by 1%. note  Going by some fan reactions and the audience polls ranging in the 60% range, one would get the impression they are some of the worst films to hit the planet.
    • Similarly, while Return of the Jedi is considered the weakest of the original films, it still has a very favorable reception, considering its Rotten Tomatoes audience score is at a whopping 95%, far better than the 80% of critics.
    • Yet according to this article if we were to score all six films based on critical reception at their first releases, A New Hope and Revenge of the Sith would get the highest scores while Return of the Jedi and The Phantom Menace would score the lowest. What makes this all the more surprising is if you were to compare them to The Force Awakens first release score, it's the highest rated Star Wars film to date!
  • Death of the Author: The reason why George Lucas finally gave up with doing anything related to Star Wars, because every single mistake in the franchise is blamed onto him, the Creator of the entire franchise in the first place!. Particularly pertaining to the changes made in the various re-releases and various aspects of the prequels. It's easily one of the biggest Base Breakers of the entire franchise and a significant turn-off to hardcore fans.
  • Draco in Leather Pants: Darth Vader is one of the biggest examples in popular culture. Despite the fact that he's the enforcer of an evil totalitarian regime, serves directly under a Complete Monster (Palpatine), and has killed, terrorized, injured and manipulated many beings across the galaxy, he's widely viewed as a cool and admirable character, became the Series Mascot, and is heavily marketed to kids; many people ignore his atrocities merely to focus on his cool design, Force powers, and memorable voice and quotes. While Return of the Jedi and the prequel trilogy made him more sympathetic, the point remains that, if not for the fact that he was so damn successful, the main villain would be a very odd choice as the mascot for the family-friendly Star Wars franchise.
  • Enhanced on DVD: The Blu-Ray release of Star Wars removes small mistakes in the original trilogy that were missed (such as the lightsabers in the Darth Vader and Luke fight in Return Of The Jedi) and includes re-rendered CGI for many scenes of the prequels and replaces the Yoda puppet from The Phantom Menace with the CGI one.
  • Ensemble Darkhorse: Now has its own page.
  • Epileptic Trees:
    • There's a somewhat popular one that suggests that R2-D2 was actually a Republic and later Rebel spy throughout the entire series.
    • Another popular theory posits that Boba Fett killed Beru and Owen Lars, supported by his presence on Tatooine in the Special Edition, and the fact that Darth Vader specifically tells him not to disintegrate anyone, when the only characters that are shown as having been disintegrated are the Lars family.
    • See the Alternate Character Interpretation of Jar Jar Binks for one that could alter the complexion of the entire post-original trilogy franchise if proven to be true.
  • Even Better Sequel: The Empire Strikes Back is viewed as one to the original film (A New Hope).
  • Evil is Cool: Darth Vader kicked this trope into high gear and set the standard for future fictional villains. Most of the series' other villains are well-loved too, to the point that the whole thing was deconstructed with the subversive, tryhard Psychopathic Manchild Kylo Ren.
  • Evil Is Sexy:
  • Family-Unfriendly Aesop: Only to a minor extent in the original trilogy, but much more prevalent in the prequels.
    • Owen Lars in the role of Fantasy-Forbidding Father to Luke in A New Hope. He really just wanted to keep Luke out of the galaxy-spanning conflict because Good Parents don't like sending their kids into danger, especially since Luke's father became the Big Bad Darth Vader. Their deaths are actually treated as having liberated Luke to pursue his destiny, and after a very brief period of sorrow he displays an Angst? What Angst? attitude, never mentioning Owen and Beru again, but deeply mourning Obi-Wan when he dies.
    • Use of motivational stories told From a Certain Point of View left a seriously blurry line between between trying to spare somebody's feelings and being a Manipulative Bastard when it advanced your goals.
    • In the prequels, it is revealed that Jedi are not supposed to form long-term relationships, and especially not marry, as such emotional ties could lead to The Dark Side by way of Love Makes You Evil. When this caused a lot of upset in fans (and EU writers) with visions of the Jedi Knights as romantic heroes, George Lucas pulled a Flip-Flop of God to clarify that the Jedi didn't have to actually be Celibate Hero types — they could have casual sexual affairs. But obviously that one was an even harder Aesop to explain to the kids.
    • The revelation that the Republic era Jedi Order recruited Force Sensitive children at very young ages and required them to have no further contact with or knowledge of their families (because that would be an emotional attachment), made some fans view them as brainwashed Child Soldiers. This policy was unfortunately validated by the fact that Anakin, allowed into the Order as a special case, did actually go bad because of his emotional ties. Likewise, Kylo Ren, Han and Leia's son, turned to the Dark Side at least partly because of conflict with his parents and their subsequent decision to pawn him off on Luke Skywalker in the hopes of corrective discipline.
  • Fandom Berserk Button:
    • Bringing up just about anything involving the Prequel Trilogy and the "Special Editions" of the Original Trilogy has been known to tick off a certain very scornful section of fans of the series. And on a minor note; do not call Darth Vader "Dark" Vader unless you really want to get on a fan's nerves.
    • Mentioning David Brin and his distaste of the series is another way to get fans angry due to what many people view as a lackluster argument, issues of anti-democratic and anti-fantasy ideas aside.
  • Fan Hater: Amongst its own fandom nonetheless! Wars over elements of the franchise, especially the prequels, can get ugly, in some cases leading to rather truly horrible things such as fans attacking each other and name calling (It's not hard to find forums or comments where people tell fans of the prequels to watch the Plinkett Reviews because they just can't live with the idea that people like them.).
  • Fandom Heresy:
    • Criticizing Yoda. In some scornful circles, admitting you liked the prequels (or worse, the Updated Rereleases of the originals) can be this, too. Among the absolute most "purist" fans, even Return of the Jedi isn't always safe.
    • If you say you like Hayden Christensen (or at least his performance), you'd better be ready to reap the shitstorm.
  • Fandom Rivalry:
    • Famously so with Star Trek, no doubt caused by the similarity in names and contrasting styles. Now that J. J. Abrams has been given the reigns for both franchises, tensions have really heated up.
    • Thanks to the Mr. Plinkett reviews, RedLetterMedia is a sworn enemy of fans who like the prequels, leaking over to fans hating each other for liking the prequels.
  • Fanfic Fuel: Long before the Prequel Trilogy was released, there were fanfics about the rise of the Empire and Anakin Skywalker's turn to the Dark Side.
  • Fanon Discontinuity:
    • There is a very vocal segment of fans that consider the prequels and edits to the original trilogy non-canon. There is also a segment of the fan base that would like to pretend that all of Lucas's entries in the series after Return of the Jedi never existed.
    • There is an edit to the first film that is a case just in itself, even with T-shirts and stuff. For many people who loves Star Wars, except George Lucas, it is an universally accepted truth that Han Shot First.
    • Also, The Star Wars Holiday Special is one of those things that the fans, nonfans and George Lucas refuse to acknowledge the existence of. The decanonization of it was seen as one of the few benefits of dropping the old EU.
    • Some fans already considered the EU non-canon, even though that conflicted with Lucasfilm's former canon policy. Following the dropping of the EU in 2014, some longtime fans of the EU have stated they still consider it canon. Broken Base, much?
  • First Installment Wins: All the films were financial successes and while elements from the series, particularly the first four (A New Hope through The Phantom Menace) are known among the general public, A New Hope is by far the most parodied and referenced. The Empire Strikes Back, however, is viewed as an Even Better Sequel as hindsight and the other films have their fans as well, making this a small point of contention among fans. As a whole, the original trilogy was much better received than the prequels. Disney-era Star Wars runs on this trope, where nearly everything is a tribute to the original trilogy.
  • Franchise Original Sin: Most of the flaws of the prequel trilogy (corny dialogue and acting, cutesy moments, Scrappies) were present in the original trilogy as well. They were also criticized for it at the time but it was accepted by the audience because the movies were promoted and presented as a Genre Throwback to the sci-fi serials and fantasy and pulp traditions, and people agreed that the films were about the overall visual aesthetic and Genre-Busting presentation. By the time of the prequels, the formerly discredited genre that Lucas had nearly singlehandedly revived had been an accepted part of the mainstream, and audiences had come to form higher expectations. Stuff that might have been forgiven in the originals could not quite pass muster in the prequels at least among longtime fans of the series. In a large sense, Lucas became a victim of his success.
  • Friendly Fandoms:
    • Due to the large number of shared creators (most notably George Lucas, Steven Spielberg, and Harrison Ford) and both being a flagship franchise of Lucasfilm, the Star Wars fandom overlaps a great deal with that of Indiana Jones.
    • Also with The Muppet Show (especially with older adults), because Frank Oz was involved in both franchises, because both of them were at their peak at around the same time (the late '70s to mid '80s), and because TMS had a Star Wars-themed episode guest starring Mark Hamill and various Star Wars characters - one of the most beloved episodes of the show.
  • Genre Turning Point: Star Wars had a bigger change in how the industry made movies than any other film since The Jazz Singer. It marked the start of blockbuster films and spinning merchandise and setting the standard for money-spinning franchises and sequels. It also contributed greatly to the end of the New Hollywood and the decline of the adult movie audience in the eyes of critics, fellow film-makers and, recently, George Lucas himself:
    George Lucas: "When Star Wars came out, everyone said it's a silly movie, just a bunch of space battles and stuff... There's more to it than that but everyone said it's just a bunch of spaceships... that part of the science fantasy got terribly abused... The other part is the technology, especially when it came down later to digital technology, where you can really do anything. Which people just abused, which they did with colour, they did with sound. Whenever someone brings a new tool, everyone just abuses it and you forget the fact there's actually a story. The other thing that got abused... the studios said "Wow we can make a lot of money, this is a license to kill" and the only way you can do that is not taken chances. Do something that's proven. You have to remember that Star Wars came from nowhere, American Graffiti came from nowhere. There was nothing like it. Now if you do anything that's not a sequel or a TV series or look like one, they won't do it. That's the downside of Star Wars and it really shows the enormous lack of imagination and creativity on the part of the industry."
  • Growing the Beard: To some fans, the Disney era (Star Wars Rebels and The Force Awakens onwards) marked the point where Star Wars started to shed some of its more divisive aspects, such as Plucky Comic Relief characters, too many "toyetic" elements,note  and the more narmy aspects of George Lucas' directing style, in favor of more consistent quality from varying creative teams and more mature, somewhat self-aware storytelling similar to the Marvel Cinematic Universe - and, of course, Pandering to the Base as opposed to Lucas' infamous aversion to fulfilling fans' wishes. This has been demonstrated by Disney's Star Wars projects (especially the two films released as of 2016) getting more consistent and unanimous praise as opposed to the unpredictability of Lucas-helmed and -approved projects.
  • Heartwarming in Hindsight: Luke and C-3PO's bond throughout the original trilogy becomes more heartwarming when we see in The Phantom Menace that Threepio was originally built by Anakin, effectively making Luke and Threepio brothers.
  • Hilarious in Hindsight:
    • A planet with two suns was discovered by NASA years after the release of A New Hope.
    • "That's no moon... oh wait, it actually is. Never mind."
    • In anticipation of the release of Return of the Jedi, MAD once ran an article called "The Star Wars Log", framed as the official outline of the rest of the saga (which had been announced as a nine-film series at the time). The article was supposed to poke fun at the convoluted direction of the series up to that point, but a few of its predictions actually turned out to be eerily accurate. For example:
      • They predicted that Episode II would be titled "Send in the Clones", and that it would involve the revelation that Darth Vader and Obi-Wan were cloned from the same donor (Chewbacca's grandfather). Episode II was actually called "Attack of the Clones", and the revelation was about Boba Fett and the Stormtroopers being cloned from the same donor.
      • They predicted that the detail about Chewie's grandfather would set up a conflict between the Wookiees and the Empire in Episode III. As it turned out, a battle involving the Wookiees and the Empire actually was a big plot point in Episode III, and Chewie himself would have been a veteran of that battle.
      • They predicted that the later films would involve a "Great Droid War" of some kind. Though it wasn't actually called that, the later prequels did have the heroes at war with an evil army of droids.
      • They predicted that the series would end with the revelation that Luke's father wasn't Darth Vader... but that Luke was fathered by "the Force itself". In the real movies, Vader did turn out to be Luke's father after all, but Vader was revealed to have been conceived by the Force.
    • This parody in an Italian Mickey Mouse comic made in 1997 is this, now that Disney owns Star Wars.
    • The 2006 Drawn Together episode "Terms of Endearment" does a Chair Reveal scene taken directly from Admiral Piett glimpsing Vader's helmet being lowered onto his scarred head in The Empire Strikes Back. Except that in the Drawn Together version the villain is revealed to be... Mickey Mouse!
    • Doubles with Harsher in Hindsight: In light of the new prevailing theory about Jar Jar Binks secretly being a Hypercompetent Sith Lord using Obfuscating Stupidity the entire time, as well as Ahmed Best's recent social media and podcast material that seem to be all about subtly confirming that he knew what the original plans were for his character all along, his appearances resuming the voice of Jar Jar Binks in Robot Chicken may be both of these. Hilarious because one particular segment he did on Robot Chicken was a deliberate allusion to the truth Hidden in Plain Sight. Harsher because the fan backlash that ostensibly got George Lucas to back out on this plan didn't actually save the fanbase from a horrible character, but instead destroyed Ahmed's hopes of superstardom by crashing what was meant to be a revolutionary breakthrough that he'd put his voice to.
    • Offical artwork of Jorus C'Baoth (espcially this one) ended up looking like Old Luke.
  • Ho Yay:
    • Very little outside the Expanded Universe, but Luke and Han have a few longing stares in Episodes IV and V.
    • Qui-Gon/Obi-Wan and Obi-Wan/Anakin are both popular. Say what you will: George has figured out how to take Ho Yay out of the level of Fanservice for the ladies and some men and actually have it be meaningful, such as Obi-Wan's "I loved you," which was a response to Anakin's bitter "I HATE YOU!" for being left by him to burn near a river of lava. Both of them feeling betrayed by the other.
    • There's quite a bit between C-3PO and R2-D2 as well, with the theory of the two being closet homosexuals being very popular for a long time.
    • As of The Force Awakens, Poe and Finn hold the distinction of being the most obvious example in the franchise, not least because actor Oscar Issac has made Ship Tease remarks to stir up the fanbase.
  • Idiot Plot:
    • Throughout the series. From the Stormtroopers who killed Luke's Aunt and Uncle but didn't, y'know, even bother to do a cursory search of their home to find the droids...which would have shown them there was a third person living there and maybe they should wait for him to return in order to acquire the droids and kill him too? Or how about the thirty rebel fighters who run into Darth Sidious...and despite the fact that they're pressed for time and have enough combined firepower to turn him into Sith salsa, decide to let their two Jedi's handle it with a lengthy lightsaber battle that ends with one of their Jedi dead? A lightsaber that can cut through anything...being given to a farmboy who has no idea how to safely handle one? Walking armored tanks...that are easy to trip and utterly useless after they've fallen down? Building the most powerful weapon in the galaxy...that has a weakness that can be exploited by a skilled pilot flying an insignificant X-wing?note  The list could fill pages...
    • A frequent complaint about the prequel trilogy in particular is that the plots need the heroes to be stupid in order to work and ensure the "dark times" in Original Trilogy would be reality.
  • I Liked It Better When It Sucked: An argument that fans of the original cuts of the film make in regards to the Special Editions is that the movies had more soul to it without the touch-ups and added scenes. This is still a point of debate, as aside from some of the more controversial changes (such as Greedo shooting at Han), there are a still a handful of Special Effect Failures present in the original cuts that detract from the experience of the movies that said Special Editions fix.
  • Internet Backdraft: Depending on what forums you go to, mentioning the prequels or RedLetterMedia reviews could start a war.
  • It Was His Sled:
    • In case you didn't know, Vader is Luke's father.
    • And Senator Palpatine is Darth Sidious.
    • Princess Leia is Luke's sister.
    • Really, a large amount of the plot is known among the general public for the entire series. The fact that Star Wars is commonly subject to Whole Plot Reference in many works doesn't help matters at all.
  • Iron Woobie: Obi Wan Kenobi endures an excruciating amount of personal loss and suffering without complaining about it or visibly cracking under the pressure. The only indication given that he actually is quite broken is his increased snarkiness after TPM. He was snarky before but the following movies ramped it up considerably.
  • It's Popular, Now It Sucks: Some nerds in other fandoms resent Star Wars because it's the most prevalent stereotype of what nerds enjoy (at least in America). With all the ubiquitous merchandising and ups and downs the franchise has gone through, it can be said that the main things preventing Call of Duty comparisons are that the original trilogy is considered to be True Art and, to a lesser extent, the lack of annualized releases (which, ironically, the highly-praised Disney era is starting to bring).
  • Love It or Hate It:
    • The prequels are either flawed but serviceable films or a blight on the series. How intensely one thinks of it varies of course on the person and is one of the biggest dividing points among fans for a reason.
    • While more praised overall, the Disney-era films either saved Star Wars and reminded fans why they love it, or stripped away Lucas' creativity and artistic visions in favor of soullessly Pandering to the Base and using derivative and predictable stories and ideas.
  • Love to Hate: Most of the major villains are subject to this, but Darth Vader, Palpatine, Darth Maul, Boba Fett, General Grievous and Kylo Ren are probably the biggest examples.
  • Jerkass Woobie:
    • Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader is the biggest example considering his upbringing as a slave, although his cold attitude prevents him from being completely huggable.
    • Boba Fett as well. He may be a ruthless bounty hunter, but he did watch his father get decapitated as a kid after all.
  • Magnificent Bastard: Palpatine in the Prequel Trilogy. In the original trilogy he's more of a Smug Snake, but manages a good effort. He takes on 4 Jedi Masters (one of them Mace Windu) and kills three of them in seconds. He either allows Windu to defeat him just so he can present himself as a helpless victim to Anakin, or despite being defeated manages to instantly turn the situation around to get Anakin to perform a Face–Heel Turn. He's also not above using himself as bait in traps, exposing himself to considerable danger in the process. His kidnapping at the start of Revenge of the Sith was orchestrated to get Anakin into a position where he could kill off Dooku and potentially also get Obi-Wan killed in the line of duty and deprive Anakin of his restraining influence. Still, in Return of the Jedi he used his presence aboard the unfinished second Death Star to make a sortie against the battle station all the more irresistible to the rebels, allowing him to ensnare them in a trap that would wipe out their ships and leaders, eliminating their ability to oppose his rein in any organized way once and for all.
  • Memetic Badass:
    • Darth Vader is one of the most iconic and feared villains in all of fiction, let alone film, and he certainly has the reputation to back it up.
    • Han Solo, with his charming personality and awesome ship, is viewed very highly by fans.
    • R2-D2 saves the day enough that some people wonder why he doesn't get more credit.
    • The Fetts, Boba in particular considering he stands up to Vader and looks very cool, but suffered an anti-climatic death scene, making him an odd case where different parts of the fandom see him as both a Memetic Badass and a Memetic Loser (the latter largely as a backlash to the former).
    • Mace Windu demands to know why he and his purple lightsaber are fourth on this list!
    • Kyle Katarn from the Expanded Universe is treated as the SW universe's answer to Chuck Norris thanks to a similar appearance.
    • Yoda, ever since his duel with Count Dooku in Attack of the Clones. Ever since that movie, anytime a Pint Sized Power House character is fighting, you can guarantee that they will fight exactly as Yoda does.
    • Darth Maul, considered one of the coolest characters from the prequels, with his double-bladed lightsaber and kickass battle theme. His appearances in The Clone Wars and Rebels have only furthered his reputation, with his fans proclaiming him a character who just won't die.
  • Memetic Loser:
    • The Stormtroopers are so memetically bad (to the point of exaggeration) at hitting targets that they're the Trope Namer for Imperial Stormtrooper Marksmanship Academy. Averted with the Fist Order Stormtroopers, which are better-trained and actually show it on screen, to the point that "Nines" (the "Traitor!" trooper) is a Memetic Badass.
    • There's also Greedo, who's a Memetic Loser both in and out of universe. The poor guy is the Butt Monkey of the galaxy and can't kill Han Solo when he's sitting barely a foot away from him.
    • The Battle Droids, in and out of universe for being even worse marksmen than Stormtroopers.
    • Kylo Ren, for being a tryhard who wants to be Darth Vader 2.0 but is too whiny and unstable to play the part effectively.
  • Memetic Molester:
  • Memetic Mutation: As mentioned above, everything. The original trilogy alone has easily the highest degree of quotes per movie ever; for example, doing a Google search for virtually any line from Episode IV will result in an auto-fill. The prequels slightly less so. Just as general concepts, "The Dark Side" and "The Force" have entered mainstream culture.
    Admiral Ackbar: "It's a trap!"
    Darth Vader: "DO NOT WANT!"
    Darth Vader: "I find your lack of X disturbing."
    • The whole "Disney buying Lucasfilm" thing led to a slew of jokes about Princess Leia becoming a Disney Princess.
    • A few memes have taken hold in the comment sections of the official Star Wars Facebook page. In particular: when the moderators post trivia questions on Tuesdays, it's become tradition to answer "Jake from State Farm" when they ask for a character's name. After NBC anchor Brian Williams was suspended in February 2015 for falsely claiming to have survived an RPG attack while riding in a military helicopter in Iraq, many fans have taken to answering "Brian Williams" when the question is about a character who participated in a major battle.
    • Ever since the novel Tarkin revealed that Emperor Palpatine's first name is Sheev, it's become a meme to refer to the Emperor simply as Sheev any time he's discussed, displacing his previous Fan Nickname of "Palpy".
    • "Luke, did I ever tell you about..." [Obi-Wan goes on a Rambling Old Man Monologue about plot holes in the prequel trilogy] "... He was a good friend."
  • Misaimed Marketing: One of the most infamous aspects of Star Wars. Because of its ubiquity as a Cash Cow Franchise, every major release will be aggressively marketed to every demographic imaginable; because the franchise is very popular with kids, they get a healthy amount of marketing, which often comes across as very silly to older fans. This is especially prevalent with popular villains such as Darth Vader (the Series Mascot), Darth Maul, and Kylo Ren, who are often marketed in inappropriate ways considering that they make generally poor role models. The Phantom Menace was particularly bad with this, to the point where we got ridiculous products such as Queen Amidala body wash, a preschool phonics book that heavily featured an unpopular Dastardly Whiplash alien who didn't even speak Basic, and horror of horrors, the infamous Jar Jar Binks tongue lollipop.
  • Misblamed:
    • Hayden Christensen often comes up as a main culprit for the prequels' quality or lack thereof, with the role arguably becoming a Star-Derailing Role, despite that he's done work outside the series where he received praise for and was hardly the only actor affected by George Lucas's touch; Natalie Portman, who would become a major star and an Oscar winner a few years later, said she had trouble getting quality work due to a perception from the prequels that she couldn't act. Natalie Portman! Couple that with the fact Lucas had always come under fire from his cast as a writer/director (Harrison Ford once told him, "You can type this shit but you sure as hell can't say it!"), and it sometimes feels like Christensen got a raw deal considering the other major actors came out of the prequels just fine.
    • Jake Lloyd still suffers from this. Putting aside the fact that he already had a huge amount of pressure on him (since TPM was one of the most widely-anticipated movies ever and he'd be responsible for "originating" one of the most recognisable characters in cinema history), nine year old children are generally not amazing actors anyway. And then there were the fans who channelled their opinion that Vader's childhood should not be known about into criticising Lloyd as though it were his idea (even before the movie came out). Combined with that, a lot of clunky dialogue, and George Lucas' style of directing, he had little chance of being outstanding. Yet the vitriol heaped on him for "ruining" Vader when it was hardly his fault, and that still continues to this day, is one of the largest and most well-known examples of Fan Dumb and Hate Dumb in recent memory. It's got to the point where even Mark Hamill has stepped in telling people to cool it.
  • Moral Event Horizon:
    • Palpatine crosses this when he tells his troops to execute Order 66. Subverted by Anakin/Darth Vader, who redeems himself after years of evil actions, but initially played straight either when he slaughtered Tusken Raiders (women and children included) in Attack of the Clones, or when he massacred Jedi children in Revenge of the Sith. In addition, Palpatine had orchestrated a major intergalactic civil war that has caused the deaths of countless billions on hundreds of planets solely to cement his political power and weaken or destroy all rivals to that power. And he'd been planning it for years prior.
  • My Real Daddy: Even if his name is ubiquitously associated with Star Wars, Lucas' relevance to Star Wars as a whole has often been questioned by fans of the series, especially after Disney bought it and revived the films, successfully pandering to the fanbase actually being successful and resulting in works that are more widely hyped and praised than Lucas' earlier prequels.
    • This largely depends on whether the work of Lucas' collaborators is of a different order than that of collaborators on most any film. Even The Auteur Theory aficionados admit that directors have a Production Posse for a reason. While Lucas wrote and directed A New Hope by himself, supporters of Kurtz argue that without the latter doing "quality control", the final product would not have turned out as it did. In addition, George Lucas's wife at the time, Marcia Lucas, is another figure argued to have been just as important. After the initial cut assembled by British editor John Jympson turned out to be absolute crapnote  George agreed to have her make a cut of the film, resulting in the cut that eventually made cinemas and was a big hit. Likewise the author Alan Dean Foster, who co-wrote From the Adventures of Luke Skywalker came up with all of the settings of the Original Trilogy.
    • Mark Hamill and Steven Spielberg contend however that Lucas was solely responsible for the overall vision and aesthetic of the films (a Space opera B-Movie done on the scale of an Epic Movie with mixes of Japanese Jidai Geki and The Western) and that he had to constantly fight naysayers, producers, and cast and crew who didn't take the film seriously because the subject matter seemed childish to them, as it did to most audiences of Science Fiction B-Movie before Star Wars. In the case of The Empire Strikes Back, Lucas served as producer and writer; while the film was directed by Irving Kershner, Lucas was entirely and solely responsible for the film's central Plot Twist (Luke, I Am Your Father) without which it's unlikely that The Empire Strikes Back would be as respected as it is.
    • Incidentally, it was Lucas' intention that Star Wars be a collaborative work on the whole. His original plan was that Star Wars be its own new genre rather than a single franchise and saga, and he wanted other film-makers and writers to contribute and expand on it. However after the disastrous Star Wars Holiday Special, Lucas decided to take a more central role to maintain overall editorial oversight because not everyone, at the time, shared his vision and overall sensibility about the films which is what led to Star Wars becoming the saga that fans claim Lucas ruined.
  • Narm: A common complaint levied against quite a bit of the dialogue, especially in the prequels. Lucas admitted his weakness as a writer of dialogue, but is also a fan of melodrama (at one point, Hayden Christensen tried to deliver a line in a calm, realistic manner, but Lucas ordered him to redo it in an over-the-top fashion). It was also the first franchise on this wiki to have its own Narm page.
  • Narm Charm:
    • Many scenes come across as being cheesy, but they don't detract from how awesome the films are that much. Many of the examples listed on that page qualify for this trope as well.
    • Yoda's way of speaking. One would think it would be laughed at, but something about it just works.
    • A lot of fans agree this is the reason why they might give the prequels a chance.
  • Nightmare Fuel: Star Wars has its own page of horrors.
  • Nostalgia Filter:
    • The arguments of a lot of Original Trilogy purists reek of this - never mind that the Original Trilogy had several flaws that weren't fixed until the Special Editions (which many of said purists ignore), and that a few of these flaws were actually avoided in the prequel and sequel trilogies.
    • Conversely, this can occur with fans of the prequels who downplay their flaws in defense against their detractors, regardless of whether they are valid or not. Ironically, many of these fans criticise The Force Awakens for "nostalgia pandering" despite nostalgia being the very reason why they defend their preferred movies.
  • One True Pairing: Just about every fan of the franchise ships Leia and Han.
  • Opinion Myopia: Occurs quite a bit among fans, especially the more zealous haters of the prequels who often insist the fans who like them are stupid and need to watch the RedLetterMedia reviews.
  • Pandering to the Base: Most Disney-era Star Wars projects are full of this, with elements meant to appease fans (especially Original Trilogy fans) and extensive use of fan-favorite characters such as Darth Vader and Han Solo, along with the live-action movies taking on a more adult and less whimsical tone (with Rogue One being a very strong example). Disney-era projects also benefit from better acting and dialogue overall, addressing two of the most widespread complaints about the prequel trilogy. Tropes Are Not Bad; after the fanbase's very rocky relationship with George Lucas and his apparent focus on gimmicks, action, melodrama, and the prequel era, most people find this to be a breath of fresh air and are optimistic for the series' future. However, some fans find that this pandering comes at the expense of originality, with stories becoming more derivative and predictable and feeling more like ham-fisted tributes to the original trilogy than anything else, despite having more consistent execution.
  • The Problem with Licensed Games: Back and forth. Usually original EU games turn out fairly well (helped that they're games designed to stand alone products and not cash ins to the movies), with some even being considered classics but for the most part direct adaptations of the movies suffer. The Super Star Wars trilogy were not only the most notable aversion, but they're were also freakin' hard. The Rogue Squadron and X-Wing series, Knights of the Old Republic and the Dark Forces Saga are considered among the best Star Wars games. Lego Star Wars are widely popular, and considered one of the best Lego games.
  • Rewatch Bonus: The fact that the reveal that Vader is Luke's father causes this is why the twist works so well.
  • Rooting for the Empire: Combine the sky-high Evil is Cool factor of Darth Vader and Palpatine, a varied set of particularly stylish and intimidating uniforms for the stormtroopers and other military personnel, a fleet composed of almost nothing BUT Cool Starships, a comparatively milquetoast opposition and the fact that they replaced a corrupt, obstructive bureaucracy, and you have a recipe for one of the most sinister-yet-endearing villainous forces ever created. There is a reason why the 501st Legion, the largest Star Wars cosplaying organization on the planet, themed itself after the bad guys...
  • Sacred Cow: The original trilogy. Just trying to tell someone you don't like it or even suggesting it might have some shortcomings tends to create a lot of backdraft with David Brin being a notable recipient of this.
  • Scapegoat Creator: It's unlikely any creator of a popular franchise is as vocally disliked by his fans as George Lucas, despite the fact that the series is entirely his creation and vision and would simply not exist were it not for him. Some of the criticism directed against him (the extreme tinkering of his films on home video) is fair, but some fans take this to the extent of dismissing Lucas entirely, by making points about how the film is best when he is least involved, by citing The Empire Strikes Back, despite the fact that Lucas was solely responsible for the main plot twist of that film. This attitude continues into the Disney era, where fans assume by default that a new Star Wars movie will be good just because of Lucas' non-involvement.
  • The Scrappy: In order of appearance (and hatred), C-3PO and the Ewoks in the original trilogy, Jar Jar, and the Phantom Menace incarnation of Anakin.
  • Seinfeld Is Unfunny: As renowned as the original trilogy is, its movies can feel dated at times, especially due to their ubiquity in pop culture and advancements in filmmaking and special effects. A New Hope in particular has a plot that has been imitated and referenced countless times, to the point that it'd be a Cliché Storm if released as a modern movie (and lo and behold, The Force Awakens was criticized by some as a Cliché Storm because it copied ANH's overall plot and structure). This might have been one reason why Lucas insisted on constantly revising the movies, to highly mixed results.
  • Shocking Swerve: Rare successful examples: Vader's being Luke's father and Leia's being his sister. Neither is hinted at in any way (especially the second), but they're regarded as great twists all the same.
  • Snark Bait: Some aspects of the franchise get this: the elements of the original trilogy that have been clichéd to death, the bad acting and dialogue in the prequels, the gratuitous Plucky Comic Relief, the copious amount of merchandising and resulting Misaimed Marketing...
  • So Cool, It's Awesome:
    • The original trilogy, particularly A New Hope and The Empire Strikes Back, recieved critical acclaim and is beloved by many fans of sci-fi and film to the point of being considered must-see films in many people's eyes due to its enormous impact on culture. While not as iconic, the Disney-era films are also widely loved and praised, and some people consider them to be on par with the legendary classic trilogy. While the prequels are more divisive, they have their fans and both trilogies have contributed to forming a very large and passionate fanbase that is still going strong nearly forty years later.
    • A perfect example of how beloved the series is can be illustrated with the pre-release success of The Force Awakens; despite the prequels being widely criticized among fans of the series (and those who weren't to begin with), the trailers for Episode VII were so well-received, the final trailer was the fastest film trailer to hit 100 million views on YouTube and made $6 million in ticket sales on the first day they were available... over two months before the film's release. As for the movie itself, it was released to critical acclaim on par with the original trilogy's best, qualifying it for this trope too.
  • Stoic Woobie: Princess Leia, considering she loses her planet and is forced to watch Han be frozen in carbonite, but doesn't dwell much on either of them.
  • Tastes Like Diabetes: A common accusation from some fans is the willingness to stoop down and appeal to kids, particularly with elements like the dialogue and goofy characters like ewoks and battle droids. The insane amount of merchandise and endeavors the series gets involved in, much of which is kid-oriented and quite bizarre, also is a target of hate. Revenge of the Sith and moreso The Force Awakens and Rogue One defy this trope by having a more "adult" tone and much less "whimsical" humor than previous movies, but the kiddie Misaimed Marketing is still there. The Uncertain Audience doesn't help.
  • They Changed It, Now It Sucks: The revisions made to the original trilogy over various re-releases were not well received by all fans. Those who grew up with the original trilogy were considerably outraged about the changes that affected the story and the music. And don't even mention the issue of Greedo shooting first.
  • They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character:
    • Darth Maul, one of the most badass characters in The Verse, after killing Qui-Gon (previously established as quite the badass himself), lets Obi-Wan slooooooooooowly flip up onto the ledge behind Maul, and Maul just stands there and lets Obi-Wan kill him. They had two more movies or more to keep him around as a villain, and a full-scale war in which to give him a decent death. Averted later on; he is back and kicking ass in Star Wars: The Clone Wars for this exact reason.
    • Both Fetts are seen as awesome characters by a good number of the fans, who also think they deserved better more screen time and a better death in Boba's case. As compensation, Boba's death was overridden to allow him survive in the Expanded Universe and confirmed to remain canon after its dropping. Lucas even stated he would've allowed him to live had he known how much fans like him.
    • Arguably, Jar Jar Binks. A lot of the problems with the character come from being The Klutz Kid-Appeal Character in a movie trilogy that has a lot of problems on their own. If the writers had fleshed Jar Jar out more, toned down his being The Klutz, and introduced him in a different film (or an entirely different medium altogether, such as a television show) he could be a passable Kid-Appeal Character.
  • They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot: Both fans and critics of the prequel films generally agree that whether they liked the plot of the films or not, the execution of said plot was generally poor and the films had a great deal of padding and waste. In particular, the fact that the Clone Wars are never really depicted on the big screen (Episode II covers the beginning of the conflict, Episode III covers the end) is considered a missed moment of awesome, particularly since the Expanded Universe and TV shows handled it so well. One could argue that Episode I is the most plot-irrelevant movie of the three and the prequels could have easily begun with Anakin already training as a Jedi and Obi-Wan already his master, and more of the conflict could have been seen and Anakin's fall to the Dark Side could have been covered in greater depth and detail.
  • Too Cool to Live: Too many to count. Obi-Wan Kenobi, Qui-Gon Jinn, Mace Windu, Jango Fett, Count Dooku, General Grievous, Darth Maul, Han Solo. Awesomely subverted by Boba Fett and Darth Maul who were simply too cool to die and were retconned as having survived their deaths — Boba managed to fight his way out of the Sarlacc; Darth Maul somehow made his way to the planet Lotho Minor and eked out an existence there until his brother found him.
  • Uncertain Audience: This has been an issue with Star Wars since the beginning and it has coloured everything from tone and content, and the actual reception of the films:
    • The original Star Wars was unambiguously a light-hearted adventure story for all audiences and it was a Spiritual Successor to The Wizard of Oz and the The Thief of Bagdad (1940) as popular children's fantasy that adults could see with them. The dark tone of The Empire Strikes Back was the exception (and it was divisive on release) before returning full circle with Return of the Jedi (far better received upon release than later). When The Phantom Menace came out and achieved an even lighter tone than the first film, the audiences who regarded The Empire Strikes Back as the best generally rejected the film and the prequels.
    • The other debate is also "new fans" and "old fans". It is partly to keep the franchise fresh for newer audiences that Lucas keeps updating his special editions with newer special effects and changes. Likewise, the demand by fans for a more integrated continuity also leads Lucas to more carefully interweave the prequels with the sequels and correct elements across the Saga, and yet fans of the original Star Wars reject these changes. The prequels which chronicled the rise of Darth Vader was similarly divided. On one hand there was greater World Building at the expense of action, which catered to the demands and attention of fans rather than general audiences, on the other hand it was too bogged down with ensuring Anakin marches across The Stations of the Canon, that it didn't entirely stand on its own merits.
    • A common criticism of the Prequels in general is that they contain cartoonish characters like Jar Jar that only young children would find funny, but also scenes of realistic political debate that only adults would understand.
    • George Lucas himself stated that the franchise was primarily for children, to the point that many of his edits and decisions seemed to fit into the Fleeting Demographic Rule; for example, he tried to make sure that the premiere of the 3D version of The Phantom Menace would be mainly screened for kids and teens. However, because adults make up a comparably large and much more vocal part of the fanbase, Star Wars could never really lean more towards its kid demographic in the best interests of merchandising and marketing, not helped by the fact that many Star Wars creators other than Lucas were fans of the franchise themselves and saw it from an adult-pandering, adult-oriented perspective - which would become the norm for the franchise after its sale to Disney. That said, the Fleeting Demographic of young children has always been an important part of the Star Wars audience (if not always the primary one), and so the franchise continues to be marketed to them and never really goes above a soft PG-13 rating outside of the Expanded Universe.
    • With The Force Awakens, we have the same issue. Initial critical reception has been excellent but generally notes that it caters to the nostalgia for the original series and repeats elements from the plot and setting, rather than tell a new story. In keeping with this, the movie is more "adult" than previous Star Wars movies, with more intense violence, less whimsical humor and a lessened Kid-Appeal Character presence, but is still marketed to kids just as much. The tone of Rogue One has been noted to be even darker and more adult than TFA, but as always it's marketed to kids as well, which is standard for both Star Wars and other sci-fi action blockbusters. At this point, it can be assumed that Disney-era Star Wars is, ironically given that this is Disney, a bit less cartoonish and strikes a balance between pandering to adult fans and yet be whimsical and fantastical enough to be loved by kids. A perfect example is BB-8, the only new Kid-Appeal Character in TFA, who is very cute, marketable and "toyetic" but is also beloved by the adult fanbase.
  • Unintentionally Unsympathetic: Many of the behaviors of the Jedi (Obi-Wan being an exception) and the Republic in the prequels invited a great deal of deconstruction by fans. Through it could have been intended by Lucas.
    • The prequel-era Jedi Order, due to the fact they exclusively recruited very young children, compared to Luke and many pre-prequel EU works depicting Jedi beginning training as teens or adults. This led to many fans viewing the prequel-era Jedi as brainwashed child soldiers and they could be fairly snooty as well with Mace Windu's distrust of Anakin in Episode III and Qui-Gon insisting to Shimi he didn't come to free slaves being notable examples.
    • The Old Republic, viewed nostalgically in the original trilogy, was depicted in the prequels as a crumbling body run by Corrupt Politicians and Obstructive Bureaucrats and this subverted the Good Republic, Evil Empire trope by making it look like it was well on its way to either breaking up or becoming an empire regardless of Sith scheming. This led to implications of the Democracy Is Bad trope, which unlike the situation with the Jedi was only made worse in the Expanded Universe as the New Republic was already showing the same problems as the Old more or less as soon as it was established. The Force Awakens did not rectify this, as the canon New Republic was willfully blind to the treaty violations and military buildup undertaken by the First Order, leading to "General" Leia having to unofficially found a Resistance paralleling the old Rebel Alliance despite the existence of a galactic government that should have been addressing the growing threat. This is one of the reasons why critics of the more fundamental aspects of Star Wars, like David Brin, claim that Star Wars is explicitly and intentionally anti-democratic.
    • One of the more common complaints about the Prequels is that they hinge on Anakin being a tragic hero who elicits sympathy from the audience, yet his villainous attributes take up the bulk of his screen time while his more heroic traits are either downplayed or resigned to expository dialogue.
  • Vindicated by History:
    • C-3PO, widely reviled as a scrappy around the time of Empire, is much more fondly regarded by fans after the Ewoks, Jar Jar and Anakin proved to be far more polarizing characters.
    • The Empire Strikes Back was divisive in its day, now it's considered the best of the films. Return of the Jedi, while remaining the general least popular entry of the original trilogy, has also found more and more supporters as time has gone by.
    • While the Prequel Trilogy is still regarded as inferior to the original films, stances on them have gradually softened over time, with many pointing out that while flawed, they do still have many positive attributes and do contain several good ideas that admittedly needed to be roughed out a little more. It hasn't hurt that both canon and non-canon EU titles as well as fanworks have been able to make good use of elements and characters from the Prequels. Flat-out prequel denial is more or less dead as of The New '10s, with even fans who hate them as films accepting (albeit occasionally reluctantly) them as part of the Saga.
    • Likewise, prequel-era Anakin has fallen into this; over time and thanks to Hayden Christensen being recognized as a decent actor who was given poor direction by Lucas (who's no longer associated with the franchise), as well as Anakin's universally praised portrayal in Star Wars: The Clone Wars, the younger Anakin isn't as vocally hated as he once was, and many people find his character arc in the prequels to be decent, sympathetic, and mostly brought down by poor direction and acting. This was somewhat helped by the introduction of Kylo Ren, who can be seen as a self-aware parody of Anakin's wangsty nature. Nine-year-old Phantom Menace Anakin is as hated as ever, though.
  • Wangst: Anakin does this in Episode II and III. A notable example being his complaining about having to wait to take the Jedi trials — ironically proving why Obi-Wan wants him to wait.
  • What Do You Mean, It's Not Political?:
    • Some viewers have noted that the Prequel Trilogy has a lot of things that could be construed as attacks against George W. Bush and conservatism in general, especially when using Palpatine to pass similar decrees. Lucas insists that Palpatine was actually to be based on Richard Nixon and later Adolf Hitler.
    • The fall of the Old Republic/birth of the Empire also directly mirrors the fall of the Roman Republic and its transition into the Roman Empire. Those who think George Lucas was taking potshots at the American political climate at the time should have been a lot more concerned about how the parallels mapped...
    • William Kristol has come out saying the Galactic Empire is an ideal Neoconservative government. Make of this what you will.
    • Athena Andreadis has some things to say about the Star Wars universe's issues in terms of gender preconceptions and human community vs. cold, sterile, antiseptic environments:
      A cold, airless locker. There are no families, no civic life beyond power politics, no artists or scientists, no (pre)occupation except endless wars... no song, no laughter, no intimacy, no friendship beyond schoolboy camaraderie, and no sex for either love or pleasure...
  • WTH, Casting Agency?: Some fans don't have the highest opinion of the decision to cast Samuel L. Jackson as Mace Windu, feeling that the character was a waste of a good actor. Jackson is arguably the most talented actor in the prequel trilogy, yet Windu—a bald, stoic, Only Sane Man space monk—has probably the tiniest emotional range of any character in the main cast. Hell, his death scene is the only scene where Jackson actually gets a chance to show real emotion on screen.
  • Win the Crowd:
    • A New Hope was initially seen as a bizarre avant-garde action movie when the initial trailers came out, but people went to see the movie anyway, figuring it would at least be So Bad, It's Good. The film managed to win the audience over with the opening crawl, seconds after the movie started, and kept audiences hooked with the initial blockade runner chase. John William's score probably had something to do with it.
    • After the polarizing prequels, the series had to do this upon Disney's revival; the reaction to the trailers for JJ Abrams's The Force Awakens was so overwhelmingly positive that the final trailer was the fastest to hit 100 million views on YouTube and the film generated over $6 million worth of pre-sold tickets the very first day they went on sale... two months before its release.
  • The Woobie: Has its own page.

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