What Do You Mean, It's for Kids?
"He died?! And this is supposed to be a kid's movie!"Y'know, for kids! Whenever a show or movie aimed toward younger viewers has a large enough Periphery Demographic, many of the older fans will vocally argue that it isn't a "kid's show", and become offended when anyone says it is. This is tied heavily to the idea that anything for kids ''must'' be crappy, or lack appeal to adults. In modern times, fans who liked a "kid's show" and still do now as an adult are accused of only looking through a Nostalgia Filter and only that. One of the biggest causes of this is that, if a popular kids' franchise is over a decade old or so, the majority (if not the entirety) of its older fanbase loved it when they were kids, but are adults now. Unfortunately, this can lead to certain deluded fans thinking that the company should cater exclusively to them, thinking they are the only audience for this franchise. The sad, hard truth of the matter is that, often enough, you stop being the franchise's focus the moment you stop being a kid. Fortunately, there are plenty of fans who know this, and to be fair, plenty of these companies do like to give little bonuses to their older fans (some more than others). The other main cause is that fans of certain works (or indeed entire mediums) have had to deal with people dismissing their interests as immature (and thus, by implication the fan personally) for years. This sort of stigma gets tiring real fast. It's much easier to argue for the "Adultness" of an individual work than to convince a skeptic of the concept that something can be equally appealing to adults and children. This phenomena is more frequent in Internet Backdraft areas than it is real life. Most people can see the line between those that have mature tastes, and those that have become blatant snobs with age. The presence of opinions drives the point home in certain circles to be a combustible argument, but it's always important to remember you as the individual are the one that changes opinion or not. The work of course is the same as you first saw it. The inability to accept that personal responsibility will often cause arguments on the subject whether something is meant to be enjoyed by kids or not. This can also lead to productions that are marketed to children but make us wonder if they were created for them (namely for potentially explicit content and/or serious and mature plots. While the latter is existent, the former is more common.) Namely, if these shows have an awful lot of Parental Bonus, Parent Service, and the like. Unfortunately, this can also bring Moral Guardians out of the woodwork if it seems to be blatant enough. This can also happen when something is given a G rating but has an awful lot of potentially explicit content. Of course, the third cause is more infamous and have more potential than the other causes to rub Moral Guardian's Berserk Button and became a hot topic, while the other causes only became a Berserk Button for a small portion of Fandom at best. This phenomenon can also occur due to Values Dissonance. For example, Once Acceptable Targets are, by definition, no longer acceptable, and Real Life tragedies can make things Harsher in Hindsight, and different countries' Moral Guardians have different standards. There's also the fact that, in the past, the line between "child" and "adult" wasn't always drawn at the same age as it is now. Often confused with What Do You Mean, It's Not for Kids?, where a work is commonly mistaken as being for kids even when it is not.
— Rizzo the Rat, Muppet Treasure Island
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- The Boom Kids comics based on the old Disney Afternoon shows. Nothing outright offensive about the material, but, due to massive Continuity Porn, they'll only make total sense to people who've seen the shows — which Disney has barely aired at all in the past decade and not at all since 2006. If you're under 20, chances are you'll be confused from Issue One. Oh, and they also cost a dollar more than most comics.
- To its credit, Boom Studios seems to have realized this. The worst offender, Darkwing Duck, no longer has "Boom Kids" anywhere on the cover (though it's likely still placed on the kids rack at comic book stores).
- Regular Disney comics too. People only familiar with Donald Duck and Mickey Mouse from Classic Disney Shorts might be surprised at the comics adapting say, The Divine Comedy (twice, in fact).
- Though, it should be noted that in many European countries, especially the Netherlands, Disney comics are so universally popular that the comics made just for those regions really aren't for kids anymore.
- Disney Italy created Paperinik, Donald Duck's Super Hero alter ego... who is actually an Unscrupulous Hero who sadistically torments anyone pissing Donald off but gets mistaken for an actual superhero, by characters and some writers and readers alike, because criminals are at or near the top of his shit list; whenever the writers remember his origins he's chased by the whole police force because he's just that scary, has gadgets to spray acid (for use on locks, fortunately) and to wipe out memories, stopped going around with an actual M1911 pistol only after replacing it with a multi-purpose beam weapon that includes a Disintegrator Ray, and, in an early story, tried to murder Gladstone before thousands of witnesses (disguised as a mere and well-deserved kick in the butt... that threw Gladstone from a tower).
- The Paperinik New Adventures series, inspired by American superhero comics, introduced the Evronians, an Horde of Alien Locusts out to eat our emotions (save for a few people to keep as cattle) and transform us into Slave Mooks. Also, a survivor of Xerba, a planet invaded by the Evronians, has transformed herself in a Physical Goddess out to commit genocide against the Evronians as payback for their invasion of her homeworld.
- EC Comics. The entire company output qualifies, even after correcting for Values Dissonance for their being published in the 1950s. Even back then, however, Moral Guardians raised plenty of objections that their comic books were inappropriate for kids; EC strenuously resisted censorship until The Comics Code went into effect.
- Heaven's girl, a comic produced by the Children of God/The Family in 1987 for child members before being purged, feature the gang rapenote of the heroine, Marie Claire.
- Due a case of Values Dissonance, Italian comics are often this. Examples include:
- Aside for the above-mentioned Paperinik and Paperinik New Adventures, Disney Italy has created W.I.T.C.H. (with plenty of nightmarish situations and enough instances of Getting Crap Past the Radar to deserve an entire page here, Mickey Mouse Mystery Magazine (in which Mickey Mouse finds himself operating in a city dirtier than Gotham), and has a habit of showing Scrooge shooting at someone with intent to main (with a salt-loaded blunderbuss) or, in the past, kill (with a buckshot-loaded double-barreled shotgun).
- One of the main characters of Rat-Man is Cinzia Otherside, a blonde transexual prostitute with a 30-cm penis in love with the protagonist and often trying to do him. Then the various stories include one-off gags (with Cinzia having originated as one) such as Bambi's mother returning to life as a Flesh-Eating Zombie and eating Bambi (it was the storyline parodying The Walking Dead)...
- The satirical comic Jenus of Nazareth openly shows paedophile priests.
- The Marvel Adventures line is written for the 5-12 kid demographic, but it seems designed to address most of the adult audience's criticism of the Marvel line: it has a much less confusing continuity, steers away from the Wangst and bleakness the main line tended to indulge in, and sidestepped the whole Civil War fiasco, and the rest of the dueling-author messes completely. Marvel Adventures appeals to adults who liked mainstream Marvel comics from the 1960s to 1980s, IE when they were targeted to kids and teens. The fact that said period is largely considered to be the company's hey-day is a reminder that Tropes Are Not Bad. (Also, forget the 80s; Marvel Adventures: Spider-Man has the Blonde Phantom as a Recurrer. Remember her? No? Ask your grandparents.)
- Interestingly, as much as Darker and Edgier is considered a good thing, it is quite lighter than the mainstream comics. It turns out that if you tell a good story, people will enjoy it over a poor one that has more blood, sex, and swearing.
- My Little Pony:
- The British G1 My Little Pony comics. The most popular story involves Applejack saving ponies who are forced to be slaves and have gone blind from being in the dark so long. Applejack accidentally kills the Wizard who's forcing them to dig up gems and the gems get lodged in the ponies eyes, which gives them back their vision. This and a lot more Surprise Creepy occurs in a comic for little girls.
- My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic (IDW) is promoted as an all-ages comic, though the series thus far has been a little darker than one would expect from a series where most of the covers feature cute, colorful ponies, as noted in the NightmareFuel section.
- My Little Pony: Fiendship Is Magic:
- The King Sombra comic really doesn't seem like something you'd find from My Little Pony. Nothing in the comic is any darker than some Disney Animated Canon films like Beauty and the Beast or The Little Mermaid, but some of the imagery and tones are rather scary and frightening for younger readers.
- The Queen Chrysalis comic similarly amps up the amount of horrific scenes that borderline what would be appropriate for children.
- The Smurfs is the More Popular Spin-off of another comic book, and has a fair share of creepy stories... Starting from the very first book, featuring a Zombie Apocalypse that predates Night of the Living Dead (1968) by nine years.
- Played strangely with Superior Spider-Man, which indulges in every excess contemporary comics are wont to indulge in (Doc Ock stealing Peter Parker's body, then jacking off in it?) - but the writer has gone on record as saying that he wants kids to read it.
- Misuse of the rating on Fan Fiction.Net can lead to people believing this. There are fanfics rated K or K+ that contain things like cursing and slash.
- The final story of Calvin and Hobbes: The Series, "Black Rain", contains the Slender Man. In a kid's show. This is only the tip of the iceberg (for one, the opening of the episode plays out like a non-murderous version of a horror movie).
- My Little Unicorn preaches that things like love and tolerance are actually worthless and only brutal force can lead to true happiness. Characters get Killed Off for Real in rather brutal ways for little kids, and there are certain sexual innuendos to be found in the entire story. Yet the author proclaims that the fanfiction is way better entertainment for kids than the actual show it rips off of.
- The best example for it may be a chapter of My Brave Pony: Star Fleet Magic II, in which Fluttershy is in the hospital to be operated on. A changeling slips in and tries to kill her by cutting her open and letting her bleed to death.
- The creator of the fanon SpongeBob spinoff Warriors of Bikini Bottom claims the show is intended for middle school age and up, but that doesn't stop it from having characters discussing their sex lives (and on occasion, even having sex), swearing in the transcripts, and having various gory fights.
- This trope was invoked in a Bloom County strip, where one character is going around telling everyone "the awful truth" about, well, everything. He comes to Steve, and says "The truth is, Knight Rider is a kid's show!" to which Steve replies. "Can't be. Can't &%^#ing be!"
- Little Nemo. It's a whole nightmare world! Though this is more of a shift in what is acceptable for children. It was a lot more open at that time as shown with other so-called children's books during that time like The Wind in the Willows, which would almost be impossible to publish as a kid's book now. There's even a panel where Little Nemo, who is about nine at that point, is reading Gulliver's Travels.
- Dino Attack RPG is a fun family adventure on a family-friendly website with death, destruction, genocide, drugs, alcohol, sexism, smoking, homophobia, unstoppable cosmic horrors, child abuse, murder, betrayal, torture, and religion, among other things.
- Depending on the incarnation, Starlight Express includes hate-motivated beatings, a Serial Killer villain, Domestic Abuse, marital infidelity, a young woman singing a solo about her favorite sexual experience, a retired prostitute, a character who maintains an equal-opportunity harem, an ocean's worth of sexual innuendo in general, and references to smoking, alcohol, and drugs. The show manages to get away with all these elements because the characters are anthropomorphic toy trains. The Las Vegas version of the musical, which featured the main female characters in showgirl costumes, actually wasn't intended for kids, but attracted family audiences regardless.
- In the 2011 Dance Off With the Star Wars Stars, which is for children, Darth Vader performs C. Lo Green's "F**k You!" (or at least the radio edit) during the freestyle half of the show.
- For years Barbie has been accused of this (not to mention Bratz), and we'll just leave it at that.
- Buzz Lightyear sippycup — so that's what "To infinity, AND BEYOND!" really means...
- Speaking of Mike Mozart, there's this Dora the Explorer-licenced AquaPet. It's rather...interestingly shaped
- G.I. Joe as a whole gets this treatment, actually. Because it happened in the comics, there are those older viewers/readers who think that every TV show and movie—past, present, future, and otherwise—should use real bullets instead of (the Hasbro-mandated) lasers, and that there should be more onscreen deaths simply because of the military nature of the concept and toyline (which goes all the way back to the 1960s or 70s; i.e., before the "Real American Hero" era). Aside from the aforementioned Resolute, the closest the fans got to a version of Joe they wanted was probably the live-action movie series.
- For a short period of time, there were vibrating Harry Potter broomsticks in toystores. Which were enjoyed fondly by... well... all ages, until it was brought to the companies attention that not everyone was riding the broom pretending to play Quidditch...
- LEGO. Have you ever met someone who has outgrown those silly little blocks?
- The LEGO Group is a funny case though, as it is aware of its older fans and does things like adding Shout Outs to older series (such as Classic Space) or continuing series from the 1980s, like Space Police and Pirates. It also produces sets marketed at adult fans, starting with Cafe Corner; fans seem to be rather aware of the true target of their hobby (with exception of a few complaints over BIONICLE).
- It is worth noting that LEGO bricks were originally sold as a tool for architects to create models of their future works with.
- And now they've ended the BIONICLE line, because they think the story is too long for the younger kids to enjoy. Older fans are not pleased.
- And now they've brought it back. The Reboot seems to be aiming for an easier to follow story (so far), but doesn't seem to be stuck in the trappings of kids' media. The sets are also more complex than the first series started out with, achieving a sort of balance the old series lacked.
- The adult fandom does not lack the occasional guy that complains about sets - specially colors or the lack of a realistic military theme - being too childish lately...
- The properties they choose to adapt for the LEGO Adaptation Games and toys also skew towards PG-13 rated titles. Star Wars and Harry Potter are initially PG material (with the later, darker ones being PG-13) but we also have the Burton/Schumacher Batman films (all PG-13), the Pirates of the Caribbean films (likewise) and the Indiana Jones series (first two are PG, but only because PG-13 didn't exist, and Temple Of Doom was partially responsible for its creation).
- While not a big deal back in the 1960s when they were made, post-modernism pretty much guarantees that these bad boys won't be seeing a revival: Meet the Ding-a-Lings!
- Although teddy bears are intended for kids, they are very popular among adult collectors. Unfortunately collectors are often ridiculed for being childish for their hobby.
- Transformers. There are fans who insist that Hasbro and Takara should only make big, expensive toys for the adult collector market and ignore those little kids who buy the toys to play with. Some have actually complained about Transformers Animated because it has humor and plots aimed at pre-teen kids, which are the Target Audience of almost all Transformers incarnations.
- Hasbro actually tried a line of big, expensive toys for the adult collector, and it didn't sell well enough to keep it going for too long. Turns out the adult collectors are a smaller piece of the pie than they thought, and kids are in fact the primary consumers of toys. Who knew?
- It's become worse with the release of GI Joe: Resolute. More than a few fans are wanting a Transformers series in the same vein due to it.
- Transformers scribe Simon Furman complained about this trope in regards to the dark Beast Machines.
- It should be noted just how much of Simon Furman's work fits into this category. When the writer of the bloodbath the Marvel Generation 2 comics became calls something too dark, you know you've taken Darker and Edgier Up to Eleven.
- Furman was specifically concerned about the "For Kids" part of this trope. He was very much about darker, more fatal Transformer stories, but he was explicitly writing with an older audience in mind than the cartoon series are marketed towards.
- It's a bit understandable, though, if you look at the premise devoid of context: Two factions of a race of alien war machines come to Earth, their war having gone on so long that battling for the resources our planet can give them to continue the war effort is more important than the war itself. The weakest of them has enough power to slaughter dozens of human soldiers and come away with nothing more than a badly-scratched paint job. At best, their feelings towards us are paternalistic, and they look down with a combination of pity and admiration on those of our species who see it as their sworn duty to defend us from them. At worst, they find us repulsive and enjoy slaughtering us when they have a chance. A sunny kids' show is not what you'd imagine it would look like... Nonetheless, it's still a family franchise, even if the fans think it should be otherwise.
- The creator of Liltoon once had an on-site notice stating that his comic is suitable for readers aged 10 and up, but the "Flushing the Soul" arc seems to belie that.
- Sonichu is nominally intended to be a children's comic, aimed for kids between the ages of 7 and 14...but that certainly doesn't stop its author from inserting scenes of bloody, brutal violence (up to and including a scene of a young girl mutilating a defenseless criminal with a pair of giant drills) and (supposedly) titillating sex (with an entire chapter dedicated to showing off the main characters' sexual anatomy). Needless to say, no children even read the comic in the first place.
- Some of the Accidental Nightmare Fuel-overdosed family movies featured in The Cinema Snob lead him to question such an assumption. Examples include Red Riding Hood and The Monsters and Fun In Balloon Land (the latter in particular was described as "something a pedophile would film with captive children").
- This trope is discussed in the Cracked articles 10 Great Books For (Traumatising) Children and 8 Weirdly Sexual Products You Won't Believe Are for Kids.
- Doctor Steel's whole concept for "The Dr. Steel Show" was that of a kid's show that was just a little bit... warped. He also had a song, supposedly for a proposed kid's show, called "Smokey the Kid-Loving Trout" (graphic for this song on his website showed a stinking hobo-like anthropomorphic trout, complete with stogie, walking with children).
- Neopets is a rather weird example in itself; nowadays the target demographic audience is definitely for young children- but when this popular site first started out, it was mostly used by college (or university) students years ago. There are still remnants of this material from that time (such as the Ski-Lodge Mystery plot) floating around, waiting to be prime scariness for any children who happened to stumble across them.
- 'Prime scariness' is a major understatement. Those deaths were gory.
- Whenever he sees something that isn't kid-friendly, The Nostalgia Critic says, "You know, for kids!"
- This joke has been phased out and replaced with freeze-framing during a particularly disturbing scene and adding the caption "A Family Picture!"
- Oliver Harper's Retrospectives and Reviews: During his Return of the Jedi review, he points out how lenient the UK rating board was at first to the original Star Wars films, giving them all U (Universal) ratings despite the violence and blood.
- Life in the Bay is an in-universe cartoon in We Are Our Adventuring Avatars which features plenty of torture, and some of it cannot be described directly. It has an in-universe rating of Y-5.
- This is so prominent on Tumblr that it's become a running joke that people will overanalyze any given children's media in an attempt to make it seem more "adult-friendly".
- This al-Qaeda jihadist film, supposedly.
- With all the controversy surrounding them, it's easy to forget that breasts as a source of milk are intended for use by babies.
- Bubblegum/candy cigarettes — and also, licorice pipes, chocolate cigars, candy cigarettes, and the infamous "Hippy Sippy". Aside from the last item, these are still sold today (although often with bowdlerised names like "candy sticks"). Even a few of the most ardent anti-smokers still feel a little pang of nostalgia for these, and feel kind of torn at the idea of taking them off the market.
- People in the United States who don't come from a part of the country where a large percentage of the population is of Mexican (or possibly other Latin American) descent might feel this way about the most popular confections for children in those regions. Chicano children go wild for sour and/or spicy treats such as sal limon (a sour citrus powder with salt), Chinese candy (bitter plums rolled in a sour powder), Lucas (a chili/sour citrus powder mixture either consumed by itself or sprinkled on top of fresh fruit), and whole sour dill pickles.
- The man who first marketed Silly Putty aimed it solely at adults, as children wouldn't be able to "appreciate" its various qualities well enough. Only after the fad died down did he realign his views.
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