Sometimes, a spinoff
series ends up becoming more popular than the original that spun it off. See also Adaptation Displacement
, where the vast majority of fans are unaware that it started in another medium, and Sequel Displacement
. Also see Breakup Breakout
and "Weird Al" Effect
. Contrast with Quietly Performing Sister Show
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Anime & Manga
- Sailor Moon manga and anime are relatively well known (the awareness of the manga has increased after ten years and an Updated Re-release), but not nearly as many people are as familiar with its sister manga, Codename: Sailor V which stared Minako as Sailor V. Sailor Moon actually began as a spin-off/quasi-sequel (they ran concurrently) when Toei saw potential and asked Takeuchi to expand it with more characters. When Sailor V was finally published in America in 2011, it was treated as the spinoff.
- Dragon Ball which was set in the same universe as Dr. Slump is significantly more well known.
- While the manga is all one and the same, the larger action-oriented Dragon Ball Z (The manga's Saiyan saga onwards) is far more popular than the original lighthearted action comedy Dragon Ball (which adapts the first issues).
- Dr. Slump as well originated from earlier one-shots such as Wonder Island and Today's Highlight Island.
- Paradise Kiss (Gokinjo Monogatari) - The former is more popular outside of Japan since, unlike it, the latter does not have as many official foreign language translations. (Gokinjo Monogatari has French and Spanish translations for the manga and an Italian translation for the anime, at least, but Paradise Kiss has at least 10 translations, including to English, according to That Other Wiki.)
- The anime adaptation of A Certain Scientific Railgun was originally presented as a spin-off of the anime adaptation of A Certain Magical Index, but wound up being more popular and selling more DVDs than the Index anime.
- It's not quite a straight example though, as the Magical Index novels are still among the best selling Japanese light novels.
- The characters Trava and Shinkai in Redline were originally from a lesser-known OVA series from 2003 titled Trava: Fist Planet.
- While it's not strictly a Spin-Off, Gatchaman Crowds aired in the same season as the premiere of a live-action Gatchaman movie. Crowds was likely an attempt to cash-in on the film...except that the movie got poor reviews, and is considered a flop. On the other hand, Crowds got very high ratings for it's time slot, and was given a second season.
- Lyrical Nanoha started out as a brief joke music video in an extra fandisc for Triangle Heart 3: Sweet Songs Forever. Then someone decided to turn this fantasy short into a serious Magical Girl series with Nanoha as the main heroine. The spinoff has since drastically eclipsed the original.
- Spider-Man (Amazing Fantasy)
- Many Marvel characters of The Sixties started off in anthology series. The Mighty Thor and Doctor Strange are other examples. The difference here is that Spidey's intro was in the final issue of Amazing Fantasy, while the other anthology books starring future Marvel megastars continued with their anthology titles and formats for a period of time.
- Batman began as just one of many characters rotating through the spotlight in Detective Comics.
- Superman was originally just the central story in Action Comics #1. And while he was featured on the cover, Superman didn't get another cover until Action Comics #7, and wasn't regularly featured on the cover until #16 or #19, depending on interpretation. Action Comics is still alive today... as a Superman title.
- Donald Duck started out as one of six characters, all barnyard animals, in a Disney comic strip in the early '30s.
- Marvel Comics' Wolverine first appeared as antagonist for the Incredible Hulk, and has gone on to eclipse him in some respects.
- And when he was brought into the X-Men, initially Wolverine wasn't a main character at all. In fact, it was something of a toss-up between him and Thunderbird on who to kill off in the second issue of the new X-Men team, as their similar personalities were considered redundant. Wolverine got to live because his appearance and powers were considered more interesting. He then, of course, went on to be one of the very few X-Men characters to get his own long-running solo book.
- ABC Warriors spun out from Ro-Busters, and managed to last much longer and attain greater popularity.
- Popeye began as a minor character in a comic strip called Thimble Theatre.
- The Smurfs actually first appeared in, back before they became popular, Peyo's major series Johan and Peewit (Johan et Pirlouit). Guess which series fell in the shadows after the blue critters showed up, to the frustration of Peyo?
- White Christmas is only arguably a spinoff of Holiday Inn (both movies feature Bing Crosby, the song "White Christmas" and other songs by Irving Berlin, and a Hey Lets Put On A Show plot), but it's certainly the more popular movie.
- Pirates of the Caribbean was based on the Disney Theme Parks attractions of the same name; its popularity led to Jack Sparrow, Barbossa and Davy Jones being added to the ride.
- The Pink Panther
- There are all these kids for whom the Pink Panther is a cartoon series... or an insulation mascot.
- In Spain, the Pink Panther is more associated with a pink sweet bun children love eating than with any of the movies. At least the Pink Panther appears on the package.
- In Trinidad, the "Pink Panther" name is associated with the reigning Calypso Monarch. Good luck finding anybody who remembers the movies.
- The Naked Gun series began as an effort to relaunch Leslie Nielsen's short-lived television series Police Squad! on the big screen. In contrast to Police Squad, which was canceled after only six episodes, The Naked Gun spawned two sequels and grossed over $216 million.
- Puss in Boots was much more well-liked than the two Shrek sequels that preceded it.
- Overlaps with Germans Love David Hasselhoff, but the much-hated Godzilla1998 is far better known than any of the original (or later) Godzilla movies and is actually highly popular in certain European countries. In fact, most people didn't even realize that there were others until the trailers for Godzilla2014 came out — which was in turn very, very badly received in these places.
- The Price Is Right started as a more relaxed game of price guessing hosted by Bill Cullen in the late 1950's. However, when Mark Goodson decided to produce a revival in the 70's, he decided to re-work the show into a carnival of glitz with elements he scraped from the popular Let's Make a Deal (i.e. plucking contestants from the audience to play mini-games, three giant doors, etc). The revised version, dubbed "The New Price Is Right", eventually eclipsed the original in popularity, and still airs to this very day. Most viewers barely even realize that their favorite show has been around much longer than they thought.
- The Match Game started in 1962 on NBC as a simple panel game. When CBS retooled it in 1973, it quickly became daytime TV's top show.
- Family Feud was a spinoff of the Audience Match portion of Match Game. It eventually overtook Match Game in the ratings, and even took Match Game panelist Richard Dawson as host, eventually causing him to leave Match Game.
- Bill Carruthers created a show for ABC in 1977 called Second Chance, which lasted four months. Six years later, the show was revived for CBS, the devils on the game board changed to Whammys and the show renamed Press Your Luck. Even though it ran three years, it still has a following to this day.
- Beverly Cleary's first book was about an ordinary boy named Henry Huggins. One of the supporting characters was his friend's pesky little sister, Ramona Quimby. She eventually got her own book series which is more popular than Henry's.
- The Kiesha'ra series (mostly Hawksong) is a lot more popular than the Den of Shadows series; a lot of people aren't even aware that they share the same universe.
- At times Angel received higher ratings than Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Some of this can be attributed to Angel Growing the Beard (season 3) at around the same Buffy was suffering from its Seasonal Rot (season 6).
- Buffy is much more ingrained in pop culture than Angel, but there have been times when certain seasons or episodes were more acclaimed with the fans.
- Buffy in turn was far more popular than the film from which it originated. Then again, it is a re-tool and neither share much of a connection outside of name and concept.
- As for the comics, Angel and Faith (the main spin-off, a Spiritual Successor to the Angel comics) has become more popular than the regular Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Season 9 series. This is at least in part due to the fact that some of the more popular characters were Put on a Bus in the main series to get their own series/mini-series (Angel/Faith, Spike, and Willow).
- NCIS, a spinoff of JAG, has gotten consistently better ratings and reviews since its debut, although JAG fared better at the Emmy Awards.
- Unusually, NCIS had fairly modest ratings in its first few seasons. Basically the show was doing well enough to not get canceled but not good enough to be a top rated series. By the show's fifth season, more people became aware of the show thanks to reruns and it became one of the most watched shows by its sixth.
- Whereas JAG was canceled after 10 seasons, NCIS is still a ratings juggernaut after 12 seasons (and counting) and has become so successful that it has become its own franchise (NCIS: Los Angeles and NCIS: New Orleans). At this point, most viewers probably don't even remember that NCIS was a spin-off itself.
- Diagnosis: Murder was a spinoff of Jake and the Fatman, which introduced the series lead character Mark Sloan in a Poorly Disguised Pilot. While Fatman has fallen into obscurity despite a five-season run (in part because it was never rerun), Diagnosis: Murder ran for eight seasons and has maintained popularity in reruns after ending in 2001.
- Frasier may or may not be an example; it was a big hit and ran for eleven seasons, but Cheers may have been more popular still. At the very least, it was definitely a More Acclaimed Spin-Off (it won 37 Primetime Emmys in its entire run, to Cheers' 28).
- The Twilight Zone and The Untouchables were both spinoffs to a mostly forgotten anthology series entitled Westinghouse Desilu Playhouse hosted by Desi Arnaz and Lucille Ball.
- The Colbert Report to The Daily Show. While the Daily Show is still fairly popular and running, Colbert's show was a Breakout Hit that really raked in the ratings, only ended because Colbert chose to end it and move onto other projects, and many consider Colbert's character performance much funnier than Stewart's more serious approach. Jon Stewart seems to have at least partly realized this and lampshaded it in a few episodes.
- Xena: Warrior Princess has maintained its fandom to a far greater extent than it's parent Hercules: The Legendary Journeys, in no little part due to the character's appeal among lesbians and other women.
- You ever hear of the band Rainbow (no, not the Ritchie Blackmore band)? No? Wicked Lester? No? What about KISS? Yeah, Gene and Paul founded Rainbow which became Wicked Lester and then, under the names Gene Simmons (his name during the Wicked Lester times was Gene Kline and his real name is Chaim Witz) and Paul Stanley (real name Stanley Eisen) they founded KISS. Both Peter Criss (also not his real name) and Ace Frehley (also not his real first name) were in Wicked Lester and others had been as well.
- Journey started out as a vehicle for guitarist Neal Schon and keyboardist Gregg Rolie after they left Santana in 1974. While Santana remained popular, Journey had a string of multi-Platinum albums after bringing Steve Perry aboard as lead singer in 1977.
- Semisonic began as an informal side project for Dan Wilson and John Munson of the cult band Trip Shakespeare. Hugely popular in their hometown of Minneapolis, Trip Shakespeare couldn't translate that success to the rest of the country and eventually broke up. Wilson and Munson focused their attention on Semisonic, and had a huge hit several years later with "Closing Time".
- Michael Jackson (post-Jackson 5).
- Goth pioneers Bauhaus are considered an extremely influential band, but their members all had more success (in America anyway) with their post-breakup work: Peter Murphy as a solo artist and Daniel Ash, David J and Kevin Haskins in Love And Rockets.
- Justin Timberlake post-*NSYNC. JT's solo albums have only sold a quarter of what *NSYNC sold, but he has had more number one hits and far more critical acclaim than *NSYNC ever did.
- Beyoncé (post-Destinys Child).
- Dr. Dre and Ice Cube from N.W.A.
- Ever heard of the Norwegian Death Metal band Old Funeral? How about the bands some of its members formed after it: Burzum and Immortal?
- Crosby, Stills and Nash ended up outlasting and outselling the bands they left (The Byrds, Buffalo Springfield and The Hollies).
- Following a mistaken felony charge during a North American tour in 1975, Hawkwind fired their bassist, Lemmy.* So he went on to found a new group with a much faster and heavier sound, and named it Motorhead after the last song he'd written for Hawkwind.*
- City And Colour is starting to become this, in comparison to singer Dallas Green's former band. Alexisonfire. Though Alexisonfire is still popular, the more mainstream sound of C&C allowed them to be surpassed.
- Slipknot was originally a side project of Stone Sour vocalist Corey Taylor. Many Slipknot fans don't even know who Stone Sour is, much to the frustration of Stone Sour fans that dislike Slipknot. Interestingly enough, Stone Sour's "Through Glass" was a #39 hit on the Hot 100. Slipknot has never appeared on that chart.
- Slipknot was actually a formed band years before Corey joined. They even had a demo album out in 1996.
- The Polyphonic Spree was formed by a few members of cult post-grunge band Tripping Daisy after the death of guitarist Wes Berggren and are much more well known than their parent band. One of the few members of Tripping Daisy that didn't join the Polyphonic Spree was Ben Curtis, who later formed the Secret Machines with his brother (and later left to form indie band School of Seven Bells).
- Scottish indie band The Yummy Fur, while adored by their small cult audience, were virtually unknown during their 1990's heydey. Lead singer/only constant member John McKeown found more success with his next band, 1990s.
- Paul Thomson and Alex Karpanos (then going under Alex Huntley), two former members of The Yummy Fur, formed Franz Ferdinand a few years after they left the Revolving Door lineup of the Yummy Fur. They has much more success than not only The Yummy Fur, but also 1990s.
- Death Cab for Cutie originally began as a solo project of Ben Gibbard, the guitarist for the now obscure band Pinwheel.
- Porcupine Tree started as a solo project for Steven Wilson alongside his main band No-Man; as Porcupine Tree became a proper band following Up The Downstair and grew in popularity, No-Man became the side-project. No-Man is still alive at the time of writing, but it's less of a priority for Steven Wilson because Porcupine Tree is much more popular nowadays.
- Another case of "beloved cult band begets more popular group" is The Hold Steady, formed by two former members of Lifter Puller.
- Uncle Tupelo were famous for being the Trope Codifier of Alternative Country, but when the band broke up the band's two leaders and various other members formed two different bands. Whereas Jay Farrar's band Son Volt is arguably only barely more famous than Uncle Tupelo, Jeff Tweedy's band Wilco is perhaps one of the most critically acclaimed alternative bands of the past 20 years.
- Joy Division only released two albums before their singer committed suicide, but the ensuing post-Ian Curtis band, New Order, is equal to them in terms of popularity and influence. Not in sales though, New Order is far ahead of Joy Division there.
- Pearl Jam formed from two bands: Mother Love Bone (who were on the cusp of stardom when their singer Andy Wood died of a drug overdose) and Temple of the Dog (formed by former MLB members Jeff Ament and Stone Gossard as a brief side-project also involving members of Soundgarden and then-unknown singer Eddie Vedder as a tribute to Wood before starting their next project). After Pearl Jam became famous, Temple of the Dog and Mother Love Bone's albums (they only had one apiece) became big sellers due to the Pearl Jam connection (and in the case of Temple of the Dog, also because of the Soundgarden connection)
- Björk was the lead singer of The Sugarcubes, an Alternative Rock band that was one of the first Icelandic artists to ever find any mainstream recognition outside of Iceland. Whereas the Sugarcubes are fondly remembered by fans of 80's alternative music, Bjork's popularity completely eclipsed theirs by the time she released her solo debut album.
- And before that, she was the singer of the post-punk/goth outfit KUKL.
- And before THAT she was the singer of the punk band Tappi Tíkarrass.
- The Yardbirds have three popular spinoffs.
- Eric Clapton went on to play in the psychedelic rock band Cream and is probably even more popular as a solo artist.
- Jeff Beck who replaced Clapton as the lead guitarist has also had a very lucrative solo career.
- Jimmy Page replaced Jeff Beck, all of the group but Page left the band. Page recruited new band members and toured under the name The New Yardbirds for a while before changing their name to Led Zeppelin. Led Zeppelin became one of the most popular rock bands of all time.
- John Mayall and the Bluesbreakers was a Revolving Door Band whose former membership includes not only Eric Clapton (after he left The Yardbirds and before he started Cream), but also Peter Green, Mick Fleetwood, and John McVie.
- Electric Light Orchestra from The Move. ELO was originally just going to be a side project for The Move, but lead singer Roy Wood left the organization after the first ELO album, so the others just continued on as ELO.
- Savatage was a Progressive Metal band that ran from 1978 to 2001, known in particular for their Rock Operas. One such album, Dead Winter Dead, featured a song that became a surprise hit: "Christmas Eve / Sarajevo 12/24". Decided to experiment further with the style, they became founding members of Trans-Siberian Orchestra. TSO has became extremely successful for their Christmas themed rock operas (although many people only know them for "Sarajevo"), while Savatage is almost forgotten and disbanded to focus on TSO and other projects.
- Most people consider Days of Future Passed to be the first Moody Blues album; it was indeed the first of their Justin Hayward era, but their Denny Laine era produced one earlier album, The Magnificent Moodies. This means that Seventh Sojourn, which even they regard as their seventh album, was actually their eighth.
- The early 90's French indie band Darlin' contained Thomas Bangalter, Guy-Manuel De Homem-Christo and Laurent Brancowitz. Darlin' didn't last very long, but Bangalter and De Homem-Christo eventually began recording as Daft Punk (named after a dismissive comment in a review of an early Darlin' show) and Brancowitz became a member of the popular indie band Phoenix.
- Young musician Sonny Moore was a vocalist in a post-hardcore band From First to Last, with modest success and a record deal. After going through some trouble with his vocal chords and preparing to do a solo album, he started experimenting with electronic music that he liked as a kid, releasing instrumental dubstep under the name of Skrillex.
- Epica has had more enduring success then After Forever the band the main songwriter came from previously.
- fun. was formed by members of the indie bands The Format, Steel Train and Anathallo, and their success in 2012 far eclipsed the success of those three groups. Notably, The Format and Steel Train each have their own cult followings, both of which are rather split down the middle on Fun's success.
- British indie rockers Doves provide an interesting case of this trope, as they contain 100% of the members of another less popular group. After a fire destroyed their studio in the mid 90's, the members of house music also-rans Sub Sub reconfigured themselves into Doves. Whereas Sub Sub were known as a One-Hit Wonder for 1993's "Ain't No Love (Ain't No Use)", Doves has gone on to both critical acclaim and enduring popular success.
- Indie rockers Y-O-U, though critically-acclaimed & somewhat popularized by collaborations with The Brothers Chaps, hung up their band's collective hat in 2009 due to increasing difficulty getting bookings, but their barely-serious side project, the oldies cover band Yacht Rock Revue, took off like a rocket financially.
- The YRR, on their first studio EP, covers a Y-O-U song. Not sure if sticking it to the people who ignored their original work, or just enjoying playing that song.
- Have you ever heard of a band called The Garden Wall? No? How about The Anon? Not ringing any bells? How about now?
- Although The Birthday Party are fondly remembered, they are utterly eclipsed by the next band of about half their members: Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds.
- Busta Rhymes was previously a member of a group called Leaders of the New School.
- Tupac was a member of Digital Underground, best known for their hit song "The Humpty Dance", although he did not appear on that track.
- Missy Elliott was previously a member of a group called Sista.
- Chaka Khan had a successful solo career after leaving Rufus.
- Inverted with rapper Everlast who had previously had a solo career before joining House Of Pain. Their only hit song "Jump Around" hit #4 on the Hot 100. He currently has a solo career again (performing "folk rap"), but his one solo hit "What It's Like" was nowhere near as big and remembered as "Jump Around". Inversely, Everlast's follow-ups to "What It's Like" are much better remembered today than anything else House of Pain has recorded.
- Nightwish has a case of this. They're far more popular that bassist Marco Hietala's other band Tarot , despite Tarot being fourteen years older.
- Though Kyuss is influential and has a strong cult following, more people have heard Josh Homme's next band, Queens of the Stone Age.
- Simple Plan was formed by two former members of Reset, though Reset continues to tour and is somewhat popular
- One Direction are much more popular internationally than the show they formed on, The X Factor. Back in the UK though, The X Factor has produced many superstars such as Leona Lewis, Cher Lloyd, and Olly Murs, who, while having some international success, haven't reached the heights of the boy band.
- A long-running TV commercial for classical music vinyl records opened with this trope. It opened with the Polovtsian Dance by Alexander Borodin, as narrator John Williams (not the musician, ironically, but the English actor) explains how we may be more familiar with the piece as Stranger in Paradise. Several other songs from the collection are played with both their original and popular titles onscreen, including Tchaikovsky's Concerto #1 / "Tonight We Love" by Tony Martin, and Piano Concerto No. 2 by Rachmaninoff / Frank Sinatra's "Full Moon and Empty Arms".
- The Shins started out as an offshoot of Flake Music, who released one full length album and were chiefly popular in their hometown of Albuquerque, New Mexico. To some extent, The Shins are Flake Music in all but name - most of the same lineup recorded both Flake Music's When You Land Here, It's Time To Return and The Shins' Oh! Inverted World. Interestingly, The Shins got their name from a Flake Music song.
- In the 1980s there was a modestly successful Vancouver-based Synth Pop band called Images In Vogue. Not happy with their musical direction, the band's drummer Kevin Crompton started a Darker and Edgier side project under the alias cEvin Key, called Skinny Puppy. He left Images In Vogue after a few years to work with Skinny Puppy full-time, and they're still around while Images In Vogue broke up a few years later.
- Melodic Death Metal band Kalmah was formed as a side project by several members of Eternal Tears of Sorrow. While they no longer share any members, Kalmah has since become one of the frontrunners of the Finnish melodeath scene, while Eternal Tears of Sorrow remains a fair bit more obscure.
- Australian Prog Metal band Karnivool is not "unpopular", but Ian Kenny has had far greater success and more acclaim with his side project, alt-rock/indie pop band Birds of Tokyo.
- Motograter was a rather unsuccessful metal band, but is today remembered as the starting point for singer Ivan Moody, the future frontman of Five Finger Death Punch.
- Fecal Matter? Kurt Cobain's original band? Does that sound familiar to you? How about Nirvana?
- A Prairie Home Companion, from Garrison Keillor's weekday morning public radio show in Minnesota, which he stopped doing in 1982.
- The Dr. Demento Show started out in 1970 as a recurring guest segment on the weekly show of another DJ named Steven Segal ("The Obscene Steven Clean"). In 1971 Dr. Demento got his own timeslot for a few months, only to be fired along with the rest of the station's on-air staff. Then after guesting again on Segal's show on a different station, Dr. Demento permanently spun off into his own show in early 1972.
- LEGO Dino Attack was a short-lived and relatively unpopular theme which generated a lot of controversy due to its poorly-explained scenario . Dino Attack RPG on the other hand took the basic concepts of the original line, and expanded it into a legitimately well-written story with some very good drama.
- Warhammer 40,000 is much better known than Warhammer Fantasy. Just look at how many examples on this very wiki describe elements common to both as coming from 40K!
- It is in America perhaps. Back in the UK where it comes from the original Warhammer is just as popular and the better known of the two. In continental Europe the original tends to be more popular.
- In the UK perhaps. Both in Germany and France, the two of which combined (at least population-wise and economically) make up slightly less than half of "continental Europe", 40K is indeed more popular.
- Dungeons & Dragons, the Trope Maker for the Tabletop RPG genre and major influence on the development of Video Games and the modern fantasy genre, began life as a supplement/spinoff of Gary Gygax's old medieval war game Chainmail and actually originally recommended that players use Chainmail to resolve combat situations. In turn, Advanced Dungeons & Dragons spun off as the more in-depth branch of the baseline D&D, but fully supplanted it from the third edition onwards, dropping the "Advanced" from its title.
- The Richard Strauss opera Ariadne auf Naxos was originally written as the Show Within a Show of a production of Molière's Le bourgeois gentilhomme, for which Strauss also composed substantial incidental music.
- Felix Unger was a minor character in Neil Simon's play "Come Blow Your Horn" before becoming half of The Odd Couple.
- In 1981 Hasbro released a line called My Pretty Pony, based around a 10" tall pony doll with grooming tools, accessories and so on. In 1983 they spun off a new line of smaller, simpler, baggable or pocketable pony dolls called My Little Pony... which needs no further introduction (apart from noting that the franchise that it launched has, for the most part, been running ever since). My Pretty Pony was nothing like as successful, and basically died when the original 1981 production run was exhausted.
- Digimon was originally planned as a Spear Counterpart to Tamagotchi. These days you wouldn't even guess.
- You'll be hard pressed to find people who are familiar with LEGO Technic, but you'll have much better luck finding people who know about one of its spin-offs, like BIONICLE and the "Constraction" themes in general.
- Bandai's S.H. Figuarts brand of action figures aimed at adult collectors was a spinoff of their prior Souchaku Henshin series (which is where the "S.H." comes from, which now stands for "Simple Style and Heroic Action" in every SH Figuarts packaging), which were 1/12 scale figures based on various tokusatsu heroes (primarily from the Kamen Rider franchise) as their civilian selves with snap-on armor that transformed them into their powered alter-egos (hence the name of the line, which means "armor transformation" in Japanese). While Figuarts are still being made, the original S.H. series has been discontinued since 2009.
- Dwarf Fortress is the In Name Only sequel to Toady's older RPG God of Blood. It's more this than Sequel Displacement, though, because the original game had very little to do with what DF is now.
- Wolfenstein 3D to Castle Wolfenstein (an overhead stealth action game) is one of the earliest and biggest examples in the medium.
- Unreal Tournament, a multiplayer-centric offshoot to Unreal, which was more singleplayer-centered.
- The Starsiege / Earthsiege series of Humongous Mecha Simulation Games, has been all but displaced by the Tribes series, multiplayer FPSs with an emphasis on extremely fast-paced team objective play, jetpacks, and no HERCs in sight. After the release - and enormous popularity - of the first Tribes game, Starsiege: Tribes, the Starsiege name was dropped entirely (instead simply becoming "Tribes ______"). Then again, the series has never had a particularly consistent naming scheme to begin with. Ironically, the original Starsiege series is more familiar to fans of the MechWarrior franchise, due them being Dueling Games up til 2001, when Starsiege's creators went bust
- beatmania IIDX (beatmania). In fact, the original 5-key series is now retired, while IIDX continues to get sequels.
- Super Mario Bros. (Donkey Kong and Mario Bros.)
- The Paper Mario and Mario & Luigi subseries are more popular than the original Super Mario RPG. To be fair, Square's split with Nintendo pretty soon afterward probably scuttled any potential plans to keep the game and its own particular variation of the Mario-verse fresh in people's minds.
- The King of Fighters (Fatal Fury and Art of Fighting).
- While Psycho Soldier and Ikari Warriors don't exactly count, as those weren't fighting games, the characters ported to King of Fighters (Ralf Jones, Clark Still, Athena Asamiya, and Sie Kensou) are much more well known for their roles in KOF than in their debut games.
- K Dash's partner, Maxima, was originally the main character of Robo-Army, a belt-scrolling beat-em-up released during the Neo-Geo's early years.
- The King of Fighters' status as a sort of Crisis Crossover series for SNK renders it as this for any of the company's other games that get represented (with the exception of Metal Slug and Samurai Shodown.)
- Many World of Warcraft players are unaware that the Warcraft series also has three Real-Time Strategy games, which weren't exactly slouches either (two of them were best-sellers) - World of Warcraft was just that big. A sort of a running gag among the fandom is somebody mentioning having played Warcraft III and a WoW player responding something along the lines of: "World of Warcraft 3? I didn't know there was even one sequel."
- Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time and the two following sequels, compared to the original series that was quite popular in its own day. The Sands of Time trilogy was the first successful attempt to take the Prince into 3D after the failure of 1999's Prince of Persia 3D.
- Persona, specifically Persona 3 (Shin Megami Tensei). Especially in America, with a steady flow of MegaTen games , while in Japan, the franchise is considered one of the Big 3 with Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy. Even in Japan, the extreme success of the recent Persona games is rapidly eclipsing the other MegaTen games it spawned from.
- Outside of Japan, if you see somebody talking about Tokimeki Memorial, they're probably talking about one of the Otome game spinoffs. This is in no small part because they're the only games in the series to date that have a Fan Translation note . None of the "original" games, where you play as a guy and date girls instead, have complete fan translations. In the case of the very first "original" game, this is very odd, because it was the Trope Codifier for the entire dating sim genre of video games, and is famous among dating sim fans in Japan. note
- Rune Factory from the Harvest Moon series, but mainly in Japan. The Rune Factory was produced as a Harvest Moon spinoff, but sold so much better than most Harvest Moon games that subsequent games were spun off into their own series. The first three Rune Factory games still keep the Harvest Moon label in the West, just as almost all of the Persona games still keep the Shin Megami Tensei label.
- Many fans of the DJMAX series seem to be unaware that there was a PC DJMAX game that preceded DJMAX Portable, or at least have only heard of it.
- Lately, DJMAX Technika has been gaining popularity, becoming even more popular than Portable in areas that have Technika arcade machines.
- Golden Eye was a successful movie, but largely considered average in the James Bond series. GoldenEye 007 for the Nintendo 64 is one of the most beloved games of all time, a triumphant aversion of The Problem with Licensed Games, and one of the games which made the First-Person Shooter genre into something other than Doom clones. Not to mention proving that the genre could have first-rate console titles, not just inferior ports of PC games.
- Heroes of Might and Magic, a Turn-Based Strategy series, has all but displaced Might and Magic, the original first-person, party-based Role-Playing Game series.
- Modern Warfare, a contemporary FPS compared to Call of Duty's World War II setting.
- Battlefield's modern-day installments (2, the Bad Company series, and 3) are similar to this, overshadowing the original Battlefield 1942 and the less-than-well-received Vietnam and 2142.
- The Puyo Puyo games was a spinoff of Compile's kiddie RPG series Madou Monogatari, repackaging the slime-type enemies into Falling Blocks.
- Guilty Gear X and all of its sequels. Sort of justified in that it wasn't until Guilty Gear 2: Overture that the X series was confirmed to be a spinoff.
- NANACA†CRASH!! is a fairly popular browser game that requires no translation to understand. CROSS†CHANNEL, the original Porn with Plot Visual Novel that inspired it, did not receive a Fan Translation until August 2009, and remains relatively obscure.
- Da Capo is semi popular Visual Novel series that started as a bonus scenario in Suika, which remains rather obscure.
- River City Ransom and Super Dodge Ball to Renegade, which were all part of the Kunio-kun series in Japan, but are hardly related to each other outside of having the same main character. Even in Japan, the more comical Downtown Nekketsu sub-series of Kunio games had a bigger following than the original "serious" Nekketsu Kōha games.
- The Warlords Battlecry series is a real-time spin-off of the turn-based Warlords series.
- The Guardian Legend was a Surprisingly Improved Gaiden Game to the experimental MSX shmup Guardic, which had nonlinearity going for it but little else.
- The flash game Bloons Tower Defense, a tower defense-styled game, was actually a spinoff of the game Bloons. Bloons TD became so much more popular that there is now premium content in it.
- Monster World to Wonder Boy, which specifically spun-off from the second Wonder Boy arcade game Monster Land (Monster World was the title of the Sega Mark III version in Japan). There's a reason why the Compilation Re-release of the whole series is called the Monster World Collection and not the Wonder Boy Collection.
- Shining Force: The Legacy of Great Intention and its sequel, Shining Force II: The Ancient Sealing were vastly more popular than their predecessor, Shining in the Darkness. The former two were Turn-Based Strategy RP Gs with Loads and Loads of Characters, while the latter was a first-person dungeon crawler where you only controlled three characters.
- First-person shooter Duke Nukem 3D is far better known than earlier platformers Duke Nukem I and II
- Metal Gear Solid, depending if you view it as a spin-off to the MSX2 Metal Gear games instead of a sequel.
- Ganbare Goemon was a spin-off of an obscure arcade game titled Mr. Goemon.
- Ninja Jajamaru-kun, a sort of spin-off of an earlier game called Ninja-kun, became one of Jaleco's longest-running series in Japan; ironically, more of UPL's Ninja-kun games were released internationally because Jaleco often failed to export Jajamaru-kun even when they tried.
- Wario Land, itself a somewhat-luckless spinoff series of the Super Mario Land games, has been largely overshadowed by its quirky daughter series WarioWare.
- Senran Kagura: Shinovi Versus, a Dynasty Warriors-style spin-off of the sidescrolling beat em' up main series. It sold over twice as much as the first game in the first week and almost twice as much as the second.
- Phantom Breaker: Battlegrounds is like this in the U.S., where the localization of its mother series has been stuck in limbo ever since its initial announcement in 2012.
- The popular online Casual Game series Papa's Gameria started out as a platformer named Papa Louie: When Pizzas Attack!. Papa Louie has a sequel but it's eclipsed by the fast food titles.
- Hudson Soft's Momotarou Dentetsu was a long-running digital board game series spun off of Momotarou Densetsu, a shorter-lived RPG series that was essentially Dragon Quest in feudal Japan.
- NationStates (Jennifer Government) The game was intended to only have a few thousand players and last a few months at most. Two million accounts, seven years, and copious amounts of improbable world-building by the players later...
- OverClocked ReMix is so much more popular than the webcomic it spun off of, even the creators have neglected the latter in favor of the former.
- Is It A Good Idea To Microwave This didn't take long to eclipse the Jogwheel Originals in popularity. And in a sense of the microwaving show genre itself, that same show surpassed both Will It Blend? and dOvetastic Microwave Theater, the two shows that inspired it, in total views and subscriptions.
- And in the same vein, the most popular videos by Jon Paula are Movie Night episodes, one of his newest series'.
- Ask Fluffle Puff. Originally a recurring gag in the now defunct Dan VS FiM blog, the pink fuzzball quickly grew in popularity. Eventually receiving her own spinoff blog, with Dan relegated to a background character.
- YouTuber "Danger Dolan" had already achieved a small amount of fame on YouTube thanks to his gaming channel The DD Guides, which he's been running since 2012. However in 2014 he decided to create a channel dedicated specifically to non-gaming related countdown videos simply called Danger Dolan, and the amount of subscribers and video views show that this second channel has already managed to eclipse the popularity of his original gaming channel.
- The "Heist" videos of Achievement Hunter's Let's Play Grand Theft Auto V were initially just a mini-series that played off the lack of real heists in Grand Theft Auto Online, but it received so much Fan-Art, fan-made videos, and tropes on the overarching series' page that it overtook their Let's Play Grand Theft Auto IV "Cops 'n Crooks" videos in popularity.
- YouTube comedy duo Mike & Gian managed to have this happen to them twice. Their original channel had few short sketches before they decided to make another channel focused on the Breakout Character, Dom Mazzetti. The channel became much more popular than their old one, which stopped being updated soon after. After another two years they created another spinoff, Broscience Life, focused on satirizing gym and fitness culture. It quickly gained enough popularity (especially among gym and fitness enthusiasts) to surpass both channels in popularity. Dom Mazzetti channel stopped being updated soon after.
- Beast Wars will never be as famous as its predecessor, Transformers but fans of the franchise generally agree its the best written/produced of them all.
- Betty Boop (Bimbo the Dog)
- In turn, Popeye from Betty Boop. Not to mention, Popeye started as a newspaper comic that spun out of another comic, an anthology called Thimble Theater.
- Donald Duck's Classic Disney Shorts to Silly Symphonies.
- Celebrity Deathmatch (Cartoon Sushi)
- The Simpsons (The Tracey Ullman Show)
- Beavis And Butthead and Æon Flux (Liquid Television)
- Daria probably wasn't quite as well-known as Beavis And Butthead, but was still quite popular, retains a loyal fanbase and is often seen as defining the 90s.
- Aqua Teen Hunger Force to Space Ghost Coast to Coast (which, in turn, was a parody of the original 60's Space Ghost series that would've probably been completely forgotten without its spinoff).
- Harvey Birdman, Attorney at Law to Birdman and the Galaxy Trio.
- Godzilla: The Series (better loved by Godzilla fans disappointed by the American film on which the series is based)
- The Fairly OddParents, My Life as a Teenage Robot, and ChalkZone originated from Oh Yeah! Cartoons.
- Angela Anaconda from KaBlam!; mention KaBlam! in an Angela discussion and no one will know what you're talking about. Oddly, Angela aired on Fox Family (now ABC Family) though KaBlam! was on Nickelodeon (though Nick did rerun Angela's solo series briefly in 2006, and Starz Kids & Family ran it for a while).
- Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends, from a solo Spider-Man cartoon made specifically to get the attention of the major networks. The original has since faded into obscurity, despite actually being a strong show in its own right. (Try putting "1981 Spider-Man" through Google.)
- WordGirl began as a series of shorts on Maya And Miguel
- Space Ghost is an example of a show that started a spinoff chain reaction. It was just one of many old Hanna-Barbera series that ended up on Cartoon Network. Then someone made a talk show out of it, Space Ghost Coast to Coast, which was actually fairly popular and led to more spinoffs.
- The first of these, Cartoon Planet was Coast to Coast reinvented as a Framing Device for the Turner cartoon library, keeping the personalities established in Coast to Coast. Cartoon Planet was more popular in its day, though not as long-lasting as Coast to Coast, and its version of Brak became the centerpiece of the [adult swim] acid trip The Brak Show.
- Coast to Coast's second spinoff featured Moltar, another Space Ghost villain, broadcasting action cartoons from the Ghost Planet. Creator/Toonami was a massive smash hit that eclipsed all the other descendants of Space Ghost, with its amazingly high production values and resurrection of several syndicated anime and Western Animation series. While it was later retooled to get away from its Space Ghost roots, ditching Moltar and replacing him with TOM, it remains a genuine icon of today's pop culture and the most popular spinoff of this family yet. It spent four years cancelled after being massively Screwed by the Network for several reasons, but one April Fools' Day showing of Toonami four years later was enough to launch a groundswell of fan support that got it uncancelled. Yeah, it's a phenomenon.
- New Zealand? Where is old Zealand anyway?note
- New York, Boston, and Richmond (Virginia) are much more populous and famous than the English cities they're named after.
- Note that New York is not actually named after the City of York, but rather the Duchy of York - but the trope still applies, as almost no-one is aware of this fact.
- New York City is also way more popular for visitors and tourists than New York State, or for that matter any of the other cities in the state. Most people will assume that anyone or anything from New York came from the city until given further clarification.
- Likewise with New Jersey to the Crown Dependency of Jersey, a small cluster of islands in the English Channel with a population of less than 100,000.
- Portland, Oregon has done the same thing to Portland, Maine.
- And it came down to a coin toss to determine if it would be Boston, Oregon or Portland, Oregon. Had Boston been the name of the city, it wouldn't have overshadowed the Massachusetts original.
- Calgary in Canada is far better known than the tiny bay and mansion house on the Ilse of Mull in Scotland that it was named after.
- Guadalajara, Mexico is more populous and famous than Guadalajara, Spain, the city when it's named after.
- The city of Lexington, Kentucky is around 10 times more populous than the town of Lexington, Massachusetts (the location of the first battle of the Revolutionary War), which it was named in honor of. note
- Mozilla Firefox (Netscape Communicator/the Mozilla suite/SeaMonkey)
- Netscape Communicator (NCSA Mosaic)
- Additionally, Mozilla Thunderbird is to the e-mail client portion of Netscape and the Mozilla suite as Firefox is to the Web browser portion.
- UNLV (University of Nevada, Las Vegas-founded in 1957) is larger and more famous than the original University of Nevada in Reno (founded in 1874). Although the latter's official name is now "University of Nevada, Reno" they've taken to billing themselves as "Nevada" in athletics and other events to emphasize that they were first (though the state of Nevada recognizes both campuses as flagship schools).
- The University of Alaska's Anchorage campus has done the same thing to the original campus in Fairbanks.
- The operating system Ubuntu, which started out as a fork of the older Debian distribution, managed to become one of the most popular Linux distributions, to the point where it has quite◊ a few forks of its own.
- Likewise Microsoft Windows was originally an add-on program for MS-DOS, eventually merging with the text-based OS and finally replacing the DOS kernel when NT was releasednote to form a stand-alone operating system.
- Linux itself is a more popular spinoff of UNIX.
- Wikipedia is extremely popular with numerous articles in multiple languages while its predecessor Nupedia was closed down within a few years of Wikipedia's formation.
- This site, which spun off from a thread from Buffistas Org.
- The Scuderia Ferrari was originally Alfa Romeo's racing team in the 1930s before becoming a separate entity. Alfa Romeo still sells way more cars but Ferrari is more glamorous and has won far more Formula One races than Alfa Romeo.
- In the 1920's, General Motors launched their Companion Make Program which introduced smaller divisions within Oakland, Oldsmobile, Buick, and Cadillac to close price gaps between the makes. The companion makes all ended up failing...except for Oakland's: Pontiac, which outlasted Oakland by seventy-five years and was only chosen over Buick for shutdown because Buick's so popular in China.
- Most people don't use AOL as their browser these days, but its instant messaging service AIM is still quite popular.
- The AK-47 is one of the rarest guns in the world. Surprised? The ones you are seeing in the hands of Iraqi insurgents or Somali pirates are AKM's, a version of the AK-47 that was improved and made easier to mass produce and the one that eventually saw mass popularity in both Warsaw armies and Soviet client states.
- The G3 came into existence primarily because West Germany wanted their standard rifle to be locally-produced but Fabrique Nationale wouldn't let them do so with the FAL that everybody else was using. The MP5 based on the G3 is still in use with multiple countries, both by police and military forces, and is seen as the definitive submachine gun of the post-war era.
- The fast food chain Carl's Jr. got its name because its founder, Carl Karcher, originally opened it as a smaller version of his restaurant Carl's Drive-In Barbecue. note The name became a bit ironic when Carl's Jr. became a major nationwide restaurant chain, while Carl's Drive-In Barbecue remained obscure.
- Panda Express is a scaled down fast-food version of the fairly-upscale Panda Inn. Panda Inn is itself a chain, but it's a VASTLY smaller one— six locations, all in California, compared to Panda Express and its 1600+ locations across the US and even internationally.