History YMMV / StarWars

29th Nov '16 8:16:12 PM HamburgerTime
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** A common criticism of the Prequels in general is that they contain cartoonish characters like Jar Jar that only young children would find funny, but also scenes of realistic political debate that only adults would understand.
27th Nov '16 3:46:56 PM Brandar
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* OneTrueParing: Just about every fan of the franchise ships Leia and Han.

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* OneTrueParing: OneTruePairing: Just about every fan of the franchise ships Leia and Han.
22nd Nov '16 5:49:23 AM VoxAquila
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* OneTrueParing: Just about every fan of the franchise ships Leia and Han.
17th Nov '16 8:03:16 AM TrueBlue170
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* ArchivePanic: The Star Wars franchise is one of the biggest media franchises around--it consists of seven movies (with three more on the way), numerous spin off films and animated cartoon series, a monstrous amount of comic books, comic strips, books and novels (Wikipedia lists at least ''303'' books total), over 120 video game tie ins and other misc. material (I.e. The radio and audio dramas, and enough toys and merchandise to fill the Executor). And new content is still being made to this day, and after [[LongRunner 37 years]], it is showing no signs of stopping.

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* ArchivePanic: The Star Wars franchise is one of the biggest media franchises around--it consists of seven movies (with three more on the way), numerous spin off films and animated cartoon series, a monstrous amount of comic books, comic strips, books and novels (Wikipedia lists at least ''303'' books total), over 120 video game tie ins and other misc. material (I.e. The radio and audio dramas, and enough toys and merchandise to fill the Executor). And new content is still being made to this day, and after [[LongRunner 37 39 years]], it is showing no signs of stopping.
12th Nov '16 12:20:25 PM HamburgerTime
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* {{Applicability}}: With as much impact as the series has had on popular culture, people have found ways to relate ''Star Wars'', especially the films' elaborate political backdrop, to pretty much every aspect of everyday life. The Prequels, for instance, are often analyzed as a satire of the United States' liberal-conservative divide, and the UsefulNotes/GeorgeWBush Presidency in particular.
5th Nov '16 7:38:46 PM Berrenta
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* InkStainAdaptation: The prequels' handling of certain characters was extremely divisive to say the least, so much so that many fans claimed the characters were ruined by the prequels.
** In the mind of these detractors, the character most thoroughly ink-stained by this is, of course, Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader. Prior to the prequels, Vader was known as one of the most iconic villains ever, a fearsome, black-armored FallenHero who was [[YouHaveFailedMe as dangerous to incompetent subordinates]] as to his foes. The decision of the prequels to portray him as a scared little boy, then an awkward teenager, then a generally unsympathetic, narcissistic, short-sighted, and occasionally megalomaniacal AntiHero forever sullied the image of the Dark Lord for many prequel detractors. On the other side of the spectrum Prequel fans argue that Anakin was supposed to be like this in an attempt by Lucas to deconstruct certain tropes and notions viewers had about Vader and that he could still be the fearsome character he was viewed as prior to the prequels.
** Boba Fett wound up with some ink-stains as well. While he was the original trilogy's MemeticBadass and the early ExpandedUniverse turned him into an AscendedExtra, Episode II retconned his EU backstory and changed him into a clone-child of another bounty hunter. To be fair, Fett has been the subject of a ''lot'' of [[ArmedWithCanon inter-author warfare]] and his depictions [[DependingOnTheWriter vary so much from author to author]], it's difficult to figure out who the "real" character even is anymore...
** Some fans did not take kindly to the zen-like mentor Yoda getting a lightsaber and fighting like a pinball throughout the prequels.
25th Oct '16 6:46:37 PM nombretomado
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** Also, ''Film/TheStarWarsHolidaySpecial'' is one of those things that the fans, nonfans and GeorgeLucas refuse to acknowledge the existence of. The decanonization of it was seen as one of the few benefits of dropping the old EU.

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** Also, ''Film/TheStarWarsHolidaySpecial'' is one of those things that the fans, nonfans and GeorgeLucas Creator/GeorgeLucas refuse to acknowledge the existence of. The decanonization of it was seen as one of the few benefits of dropping the old EU.
12th Oct '16 3:21:24 PM PrincessGwen
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** His mentor, Obi-Wan Kenobi also gets his fair share and it's arguable that some inconsistencies are the results of {{Retcon}}s in the prequels from things already established (or implied) in the Original Trilogy--and then there are things thrown in from the EU (such as the Literature/JediApprentice novels). For instance, some cite his {{Chessmaster}} tendencies in the original trilogy and see him as self-righteous and authoritarian in the prequels, but the novelisation of ''Literature/RevengeOfTheSith'' characterises him as so self-effacing, that he genuinely doesn't realise his true value and abilities as a Jedi (his reaction when the Jedi Council announce that they are sending their "most cunning and most tenacious Master" to deal with General Grievous is both [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming touching]] and [[CrowningMomentOfFunny amusing]]. [[spoiler: He asks who they intend to send and then it dawns on him that everyone else is looking at ''him'']]).

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** His mentor, Obi-Wan Kenobi also gets his fair share and it's arguable that some inconsistencies are the results of {{Retcon}}s in the prequels from things already established (or implied) in the Original Trilogy--and then there are things thrown in from the EU (such as the Literature/JediApprentice novels). For instance, some cite his {{Chessmaster}} tendencies in the original trilogy and see him as self-righteous and authoritarian in the prequels, but the novelisation novelization of ''Literature/RevengeOfTheSith'' characterises him as so self-effacing, that he genuinely doesn't realise his true value and abilities as a Jedi (his reaction when the Jedi Council announce that they are sending their "most cunning and most tenacious Master" to deal with General Grievous is both [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming touching]] and [[CrowningMomentOfFunny amusing]]. [[spoiler: He asks who they intend to send and then it dawns on him that everyone else is looking at ''him'']]).



** Within the prequel fanbase the criticism towards Jar Jar is either justified on it's own or over-inflated by those whom hated the prequels against a character that wasn't that annoying or stereotypical in hindsight. Depending on whether it proves to be true, the theory about what Jar Jar might have been all along (see AlternateCharacterInterpretation above) threatens to blow up the breaks on this base all over again.

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** Within the prequel fanbase the criticism towards Jar Jar is either justified on it's its own or over-inflated overinflated by those whom hated the prequels against a character that wasn't that annoying or stereotypical in hindsight. Depending on whether it proves to be true, the theory about what Jar Jar might have been all along (see AlternateCharacterInterpretation above) threatens to blow up the breaks on this base all over again.



** In the mind of these detractors, the character most thoroughly ink-stained by this is, of course, Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader. Prior to the prequels, Vader was known as one of the most iconic villains ever, a fearsome, black-armoured FallenHero who was [[YouHaveFailedMe as dangerous to incompetent subordinates]] as to his foes. The decision of the prequels to portray him as a scared little boy, then an awkward teenager, then a generally unsympathetic, narcissistic, short-sighted, and occasionally megalomaniacal AntiHero forever sullied the image of the Dark Lord for many prequel detractors. On the other side of the spectrum Prequel fans argue that Anakin was supposed to be like this in an attempt by Lucas to deconstruct certain tropes and notions viewers had about Vader and that he could still be the fearsome character he was viewed as prior to the prequels.

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** In the mind of these detractors, the character most thoroughly ink-stained by this is, of course, Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader. Prior to the prequels, Vader was known as one of the most iconic villains ever, a fearsome, black-armoured black-armored FallenHero who was [[YouHaveFailedMe as dangerous to incompetent subordinates]] as to his foes. The decision of the prequels to portray him as a scared little boy, then an awkward teenager, then a generally unsympathetic, narcissistic, short-sighted, and occasionally megalomaniacal AntiHero forever sullied the image of the Dark Lord for many prequel detractors. On the other side of the spectrum Prequel fans argue that Anakin was supposed to be like this in an attempt by Lucas to deconstruct certain tropes and notions viewers had about Vader and that he could still be the fearsome character he was viewed as prior to the prequels.



* {{Misblamed}}: Hayden Christiansen often comes up as a main culprit for the prequels' quality or lack thereof, with the role arguably becoming a StarDerailingRole, despite that he's done work outside the series [[Film/ShatteredGlass where he received praise for]] and was hardly the only actor affected by George Lucas's touch; Natalie Portman, who would become a major star and an Oscar winner a few years later, said she had trouble getting quality work due to a perception from the prequels that she couldn't act. ''Natalie Portman!'' Couple that with the fact Lucas had always come under fire from his cast as a writer/director (Harrison Ford once told him, "You can type this shit but you sure as hell can't say it!"), and it sometimes feels like Christiansen got a raw deal considering the other major actors came out of the prequels just fine.

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* {{Misblamed}}: Hayden Christiansen Christensen often comes up as a main culprit for the prequels' quality or lack thereof, with the role arguably becoming a StarDerailingRole, despite that he's done work outside the series [[Film/ShatteredGlass where he received praise for]] and was hardly the only actor affected by George Lucas's touch; Natalie Portman, who would become a major star and an Oscar winner a few years later, said she had trouble getting quality work due to a perception from the prequels that she couldn't act. ''Natalie Portman!'' Couple that with the fact Lucas had always come under fire from his cast as a writer/director (Harrison Ford once told him, "You can type this shit but you sure as hell can't say it!"), and it sometimes feels like Christiansen Christensen got a raw deal considering the other major actors came out of the prequels just fine.



** After the polarizing prequels, the series had to do this upon Disney's revival; the reaction to the trailers for JJ Abrams ''The Force Awakens'' was so overwhelming positive that the final trailer was the fastest to hit 100 million views on YouTube and the film generated over $6 million worth of pre-sold tickets the very first day they went on sale... ''two months'' before its release.

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** After the polarizing prequels, the series had to do this upon Disney's revival; the reaction to the trailers for JJ Abrams Abrams's ''The Force Awakens'' was so overwhelming overwhelmingly positive that the final trailer was the fastest to hit 100 million views on YouTube and the film generated over $6 million worth of pre-sold tickets the very first day they went on sale... ''two months'' before its release.
9th Oct '16 5:26:55 PM DustSnitch
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** General Grievous. {{Badass}} in the now-non-canon ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsCloneWars'' where he debuted versus his coughing coward appearance in ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith''. ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars'' does a better job of showing Grievous' fighting abilities, keeping him in line with the movie's pragmatic side while portraying him as a formidable, but not overty badass fighter.

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** General Grievous. {{Badass}} Badass in the now-non-canon ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsCloneWars'' where he debuted versus his coughing coward appearance in ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith''. ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars'' does a better job of showing Grievous' fighting abilities, keeping him in line with the movie's pragmatic side while portraying him as a formidable, but not overty badass fighter.



* MagnificentBastard: Palpatine in the Prequel Trilogy. In the original trilogy he's more of a SmugSnake, but manages a good effort. He takes on 4 Jedi Masters (one of them [[{{Badass}} Mace Windu]]) and kills three of them in seconds. He either allows Windu to defeat him just so he can present himself as a helpless victim to Anakin, or despite being defeated manages to instantly turn the situation around to get Anakin to perform a FaceHeelTurn. He's also not above using himself as bait in traps, exposing himself to considerable danger in the process. His kidnapping at the start of ''Revenge of the Sith'' was orchestrated to get Anakin into a position where he could kill off Dooku and potentially also get Obi-Wan killed in the line of duty and deprive Anakin of his restraining influence. ''Still'', in ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi'' he used his presence aboard the unfinished second Death Star to make a sortie against the battle station all the more irresistible to the rebels, allowing him to ensnare them in a trap that would wipe out their ships and leaders, eliminating their ability to oppose his rein in any organized way once and for all.

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* MagnificentBastard: Palpatine in the Prequel Trilogy. In the original trilogy he's more of a SmugSnake, but manages a good effort. He takes on 4 Jedi Masters (one of them [[{{Badass}} Mace Windu]]) Windu) and kills three of them in seconds. He either allows Windu to defeat him just so he can present himself as a helpless victim to Anakin, or despite being defeated manages to instantly turn the situation around to get Anakin to perform a FaceHeelTurn. He's also not above using himself as bait in traps, exposing himself to considerable danger in the process. His kidnapping at the start of ''Revenge of the Sith'' was orchestrated to get Anakin into a position where he could kill off Dooku and potentially also get Obi-Wan killed in the line of duty and deprive Anakin of his restraining influence. ''Still'', in ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi'' he used his presence aboard the unfinished second Death Star to make a sortie against the battle station all the more irresistible to the rebels, allowing him to ensnare them in a trap that would wipe out their ships and leaders, eliminating their ability to oppose his rein in any organized way once and for all.
27th Sep '16 10:20:02 AM N8han11
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** Darth Maul, one of the most badass characters in TheVerse, [[spoiler: after killing Qui-Gon (previously established as quite the badass himself)), lets Obi-Wan [[Website/{{Cracked}} slooooooooooowly]] flip up onto the ledge behind Maul, and Maul ''just stands there and lets Obi-Wan kill him''.]] They had '''two more movies''' or more to keep him around as a villain, and a full-scale war in which to give him a decent death. Nope, we get stuck with Dooku, a talkative old guy, and Grievous, a DirtyCoward EvilCripple in a crappy mech-suit as villains for the next two movies.
** Hey, at least Dooku was played by Creator/ChristopherLee, which is always awesome. [[BadassDecay Grievous]], [[TheWorfEffect on the other hand]]...
** Averted; [[spoiler:He is back and kicking ass in ''StarWarsTheCloneWars'' for this exact reason]].

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** Darth Maul, one of the most badass characters in TheVerse, [[spoiler: after killing Qui-Gon (previously established as quite the badass himself)), lets Obi-Wan [[Website/{{Cracked}} slooooooooooowly]] flip up onto the ledge behind Maul, and Maul ''just stands there and lets Obi-Wan kill him''.]] They had '''two more movies''' or more to keep him around as a villain, and a full-scale war in which to give him a decent death. Nope, we get stuck with Dooku, a talkative old guy, and Grievous, a DirtyCoward EvilCripple in a crappy mech-suit as villains for the next two movies.
** Hey, at least Dooku was played by Creator/ChristopherLee, which is always awesome. [[BadassDecay Grievous]], [[TheWorfEffect on the other hand]]...
** Averted;
Averted later on; [[spoiler:He is back and kicking ass in ''StarWarsTheCloneWars'' for this exact reason]].
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