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"Democracy is not freedom. Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch."
In some works democracy is bad
. It is generally presented as an ineffectual form of government highly prone to corruption, demagoguery and takeovers by radicals and, in some portrayals, as a form of mob rule which tramples on individual rights to appeal to public sentiment.
It can also be presented this way by authors who don't necessarily approve of other forms of government, but are cynical enough that they consider all
forms of government to be flawed (with the inclusion of no government at all
). As Winston Churchill
put it "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the other methods that have been tried
Indeed, before the Dutch Republic, the term "Democracy" was more-or-less synonymous with "Anarchy" or "Mob Rule," believed by many to be a utopian idea that could never work in practice and would lead to the collapse of society. The term is rarely used this way today. Indeed the main Anarchist critique of Democracy as it exists today is that they see it as not really democratic at all. Also, they would distinguish between what's called "representative" democracy (in their view a small elite leading people by the nose) and participatory or direct democracy in a voluntary form-i.e. if you want to live by yourself that's okay too. Below is more on the representative style.
This can sometimes be an aversion (or an inversion) of Good Democracy Evil Empire
, and has its roots in a number of philosophical objections to democracy. To avoid Flame Bait
, No Real Life Examples, Please!
As a point of interest, a popular but incorrect belief
is that most modern governments, being republics, aren't actually democracies. This is false: the definition of "republic" is, "any form of government which is not a monarchy or theocracy," and any system in which a large electorate or its elected representatives wield power can legitimately be called democratic. The distinction being made is actually that between direct and representative democracy; the former, in which all issues are discussed by the electorate at large and put to a popular vote, is seen as more legitimate by certain strains of political thought, though it is also generally considered impractical on a large scale. Representative democracy relies by contrast on elected agents of the people, whose job it is to to draft and vote on laws full-time, in theory in accordance with the values of the voters they represent. Both systems have certain weaknesses, but both are democratic by definition.
Note also that many modern democracies implement various "checks and balances" specifically designed to make it difficult for majorities to change certain things or abridge certain rights. The concept is Tactical Rock-Paper-Scissors
applied to government: each department has a certain responsibility it's designed for, and the others have specific ways to stop them from overstepping their bounds. American Federalism
, for example, includes a judicial branch which is relatively independent of the legislature and possesses extensive powers of oversight. The practical applications of such measures are left as an exercise to the reader.
A type of Family Unfriendly Aesop
. See also Hobbes Was Right
and Disaster Democracy
. For a similarly critical version which still takes democracy's side, see Democracy Is Flawed
- In Star Wars, the Republic is frequently shown to be prone to corruption, demagoguery and takeovers by radicals. On the other hand, the Republic's failures are usually linked to Sith sabotage, and life under the Empire is much worse. This is even more prominent in the Expanded Universe. The post-Empire galactic governments are massively ineffectual due to internal politics, to the point where collapsing the whole system repeatedly is incredibly easy and a recurring theme is that the government has fallen, been taken over or is failing to respond to a galactic crisis. Nowhere is this more prominent than in the extremely controversial Legacy Of The Force series, where the Galactic Alliance senate allows itself to be a rubber-stamp for a Sith Lord (Darth Caedus, a.k.a. Jacen Solo) to pull an exact repeat of Palpatine's takeover in Revenge Of The Sith, and nobody notices the similarities except Leia.
- David Brin's caustic critique of Star Wars centers around what he views as George Lucas's monarchist and anti-science views, saying the Star Wars films (he did not count the Expanded Universe) are an argument for a return to rule by hereditary monarchy and a self-selecting elite priesthood.
- This may finally be getting better, as the most recent Star Wars novel series ends with a Reasonable Authority Figure in charge, rather than an insane military figure, a Sith Lord, or an Eldritch Abomination. And this is the same series to feature an interstellar representative democracy lasting more than 25,000 years, longer than the sum total of human civilization period on Earth. Star Wars has a complex relationship with democracy owing to the franchise's High Fantasy roots.
- Pretty much every single work produced by a Nazi German, Italian fascist, Pre-1980s Kuomintang, tsarist, Japanese Imperialist, Pre-1970s Spaniard, Islamist, or monarchist ever. Communist countries are an exception due to claims that they're a true democracy.
- Legend of the Galactic Heroes skirts close to this trope at times: The democratically elected politicians of the Free Planets Alliance (incarnate in Smug Snake Job Trunicht, who holds important ministry positions during several administrations) are a nepotistic, incompetent, corrupt, self-serving and increasingly pro-fascist bunch who are, if anything, just as detrimental to the League's well-being (and especially that of Yang Wenli) as The Empire the Alliance is fighting with (The Empire, admittedly, suffers from much the same problems until Reinhard effectively takes over the whole thing). For all that, though, the Alliance still contains the lion's share of the main characters that are of the 'slightly less flawed than the average' sort.
- Kino's Journey has devotes the last part of the fifth episode to showing "tyranny of the majority" at its extreme. In a perfect example of Full-Circle Revolution, the people started executing all minority voters, no matter the reason, and had to vote on any issue. Of course, this means there was eventually only one guy left.
- The European Union in Code Geass is the only one of the three initial superpowers that is democratic, and it gets torn apart by the Brittanian Empire without any real screentime during the second season. However, the rebellion ultimately forms a democratic United States of Japan. The recent OVA spin-off gives the European Union a lot more focus and attention, which is fair enough, but this also confirms that the country was in a state of decadence before its fall.
- The DC comics character Anarky is, well, a teen anarchist with strong views on how democracy has failed and should be overthrown.
Spider Jerusalem: You want to know about voting. I'm here to tell you about voting. Imagine you're locked in a huge underground nightclub filled with sinners, whores, freaks, and unnameable things that rape pit bulls for fun. And you ain't allowed out until you all vote on what you're going to do tonight. YOU like to put your feet up and watch television. THEY like to have sex with normal people using knives, guns, and brand-new sexual organs that you did not know existed. So you vote for television, and everyone else, as far as the eye can see, votes to fuck you with switchblades. That's voting. You're welcome.
- Used in a Judge Dredd storyline. A referendum is held in Mega-City One - a literal police state - about whether to restore democracy. But at this point, the city has been a dictatorship for over 40 years, so the overwhelming majority of those who even bothered to vote choose to maintain the status quo.
- Marvel often dips its toe into this in issues of What If...? where Doctor Doom does in fact conquer the world. Without all that meddlesome democracy getting in his way, Doom usually ushers in a glorious Utopia that just so happens to line up with the writer's own beliefs. Remember, kids, benevolent fascism is the way to go!
- Also in the Marvel Universe this is especially demonstrated as being very much the case with humanity's reactions towards mutants. Several dystopian alternate futures have been depicted where the United States government has become tyrannical and made a mess of society in their zeal to hunt down and exterminate mutants. Yet it is usually shown that this happened with the full support of the general public, and the evil government is nonetheless duly elected.
- In the infamous Kauka translation of Astérix, the bard was renamed "Parlamet", one letter removed from the German word for "parliament". And it's mentioned that all the other folks in the village wish that he'd finally shut up.
- In Mel Gibson's The Patriot, Benjamin Martin is cynical about eliminating British rule over the colonies. "Why should I be willing to trade one tyrant three thousand miles away for three thousand tyrants one mile away? An elected legislature can trample a man's rights as easily as a King can."
- 300 portrays the Spartan elected council as corrupt and treasonous, while the hereditary monarch is The Hero (granted, the Big Bad is also a monarch). Additionally, the more democratic Athenians are mocked as "boy-lovers" who are incapable of defending themselves.
- There are many non-fiction works from philosophers who thought that democracy was evil. mportant figures associated with anti-democratic thinking include Martin Heidegger, Hubert Lagardelle, Charles Maurras, Friedrich Nietzsche, Plato, Carl Schmitt, Oswald Spengler, Elazar Menachem Shach and Nicolás Gómez Dávila. The Other Wiki gives more specific examples
- Most of the works of Robert A Heinlein invoke this trope, particularly The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress.
- Starship Troopers famously restricts the rights to vote and run for office to veterans, as they have some idea of social responsibility. Though unlike in the movie this is in no way portrayed as fascism.
- Clarification; while veterans who vote are focused on, the franchise is given simply with federal service. By law, they are required to find a job for anyone who wants to vote ("But if you come in with no legs, one arm, and blind in both eyes, we'll need to find something equally silly for you to do, such as sorting caterpillars by the fuzz on their backs), and service in the military is strictly optional, with a few years hard labour being more common. According to an interview that Heinlein gave, something around 5% of voters got their right through military service. The military is just more obvious because that's what the book focuses on.
- The book implies signing up for Federal Service implies consent to serve in the military if that's the job you're assigned. Most people might not end up in the military, but some do. (If you don't like the job you're assigned, you can resign and get on with your life - but you don't become a citizen that way.)
- In Methuselahs Children, the head of the democratic world government seriously considers sterilizing and/or executing every member of the Howard Families because the sheeple are convinced that they have an immortality treatment instead of good genes. He ends up joining them in exile as their de facto leader. Heinlein shows nothing but respect for a man who is prepared to re-enact the Holocaust for pretty much the same reasons as in reality (a minority is vilified by the majority), saying that it's simply democracy in action. Hell, yes, Democracy Is Bad.
: My people are being persecuted! Slayton Ford
: Your "people"... ...are a fraction of a tenth of one per cent of all the people... and I must find a solution for all!
- In Time Enough For Love Lazarus Long states that he set up Secundus as a "constitutional dictatorship" where the ruling class has some say in government and the common folk, "bless their flabby black hearts", get none. But he's a little surprised that the government has persisted for nearly two thousand years, he expected it to collapse in a century or two.
- Even Discworld has the occasional stab at committees and one off-hand joke about a species of Republican Bees, who spend most of their time in the hive, voting for more honey. Really, Pratchett seems to prefer the idea of Philosopher Kings. Ephebian 'democracy' (it's a country in Discworld) is referenced on occasion, and criticized for its ironic prenclusion of women, poor people, idiots, people who weren't our kind of people, et cetera. Ephebe is basically a humorous version of Athens at its height, and is a fairly accurate description. Athenians invented Democracy, or rule by the citizens. What modern people forget is that in Athens, the citizens were a minority of the total population. In Pyramids, Pteppic notes:
Philosophers didn't listen to each other, and didn't stick to the point. This was probably mocracy in action.
- Then there's benevolent tyrant of Ankh-Morpork, Lord Vetinari, who considers his job much more difficult than any elected head of state's: after all, they can always tell the public that it's their fault for voting for them. in the latest offering, "Unseen Academicals" we discover nearby city state Pseudopolis has apparently become a republic of some kind, and Vetinari and a few others enjoy making comments about this. Apparently the citizens voted not to have any taxes for one thing.
- Sam Vimes, cynical bastard that he is, notes in "The Fifth Elephant":
[Vimes] had been rather interested in the idea that everyone had a vote until he found out that while he, Vimes, would have a vote, there was no way in the rules that anyone could prevent Nobby Nobbs from having one as well. Vimes could see the flaw there straight away.
- The Amazon review for the Sword of Truth book "Soul of the Fire" notes much fantasy has this trope implicitly, and that that book makes it very very explicit.
- Tom Holt's A Song For Nero features an allegorical aside in which a city-state tries to create the "perfect" system of government, by combining the best features of Athenian democracy (everyone gets a say) and oligarchy (rule by an elite). One suggestion is essentially modern democracy (you vote for the leaders, and then they're in total control for a certain period), which is derided as combining the worst elements of both. (Namely, that oligarchic elites spend all their time fighting each other for status, and leaders who are reliant on the will of the people give them what they want, not what they need.)
- It can start looking like this in H. Beam Piper's Space Viking, as we watch the democracy of Marduk collapse under the influence of the Hitler-esque politician Zaspar Makann (the main character actually researches Hitler to figure out what Makann is going to do next), but the eventual Aesop is actually that it just has a few bugs that need to be worked out.
- In Mistborn The Original Trilogy, after the Final Empire is overthrown, the heroes form a constitutional monarchy to administer the city. Ultimately, the elected parliament promptly votes them out of office and sides with their enemies. In retrospect, Elend shouldn't have written that clause into his constitution. In the end, he is forced to dissolve the government and declare himself emperor in order to save what's left of humanity.
- However, by The Alloy of Law, set in the same world several hundred years down the line, the Empire has been dissolved and the government is democratically elected and runs seemingly smoothly outside of a fairly normal level of corruption. Elend is even referred to in the histories as "The Last Emperor". Ultimately, it's less the Democracy is Bad, and more that Elend's attempts to set one up were too idealistic and naive for the situation he found himself in.
- In an old story (probably pre-French Revolution) someone (probably a nobleman or such) tells a group of people who demand democracy a fable. Content: The animals set up a democracy. Then, the humans attacked. A part of the animals wanted to fight a war (like the lion, the tiger, the eagle, the bear, the wolf, and the horse) but the great majority was too afraid and voted against it, thus there wasn't a war, the humans won easily and killed many animals. Yep, not only Democracy Is Bad, but Pacifism Is Bad too. Anybody knows the name of the story, or the author?
- Rudyard Kipling's "As Easy as ABC" has the people of mid-21st-century Chicago outraged by a group that wants to institute democracy. They regard this as an invasion of privacy, since it means people who may be total strangers to you are <shudder> voting on, among other things, how you go about your life. A sinister example of how this can be abused is a statue portraying a black man evidently being lynched, with the sarcastic inscription, "To the Eternal Memory of the Justice of the People."
- In the third Temeraire novel a character converses with Captain Laurence regarding Napoleon. The character is half British but a virtual outcast due to his mixed race status, and reflects that in some ways Napoleon as a tyrant might be less of a problem than the British System, as a single tyrant can be removed, whereas three hundred scheming MPs could hold absolute control (granted this was hardly a time of a fair Parliamentary system either, but the principle remains). Laurence is not amused, though when witnessing some of Napoleon's great building projects in the heart of Paris he thinks it unfortunate that such beneficial, but disruptive and arbitrary, work could only really be attempted by a tyrant unilaterally making the decision.
- Honor Harrington takes this all kinds of different directions. On one hand, the protagonists come from a representative democracy and are fighting an oligarchic dictatorship. On the other hand, half of the books is devoted to the heroes being hamstrung by political machinations while the monarch is shown to be correct and yet unable to do anything in the face of opposition of the masses. But then again, the political machinations stem from corrupt and complacent nobles, and the house representing the common man has a majority that agrees with the monarch and the main character and is therefore correct, so basically Manticore is an inversion of this trope.
- This achieves further granularity among different powers in the setting. The People's Republic of Haven, for example, had decades of ostensibly democratic rule, but the rulers were so interested in placating their electorate to stay in power that they had to increase the governmental dole to unsustainable levels, forcing them to resort to conquest, and deliberately kept the people dumb to more easily manipulate their votes. On the other hand, the Andermani Empire operates on a strict basis of Realpolitik, and is distrustful of democracies, believing them too unpredictable and prone to wild shifts in policies between administrations. Then there's the Solarian League, which is technically a democracy but the legislative process is so slow and convoluted that non-elected senior members of the bureaucracy have been running the place to suit themselves for centuries without the legislature noticing, often in ways that blatantly violate the official constitution.
- Implied in So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish: "On its world, the people are people. The leaders are lizards. The people hate the lizards and the lizards rule the people, if they didn't vote for a lizard, the wrong lizard might get in." More precisely, a criticism of the "first-past-the-post" method of electing representatives, vs. some proportional representation (explained by John Cleese, whom Adams admired).
- In Saki's short story The Comments of Moung Ka, the titular sage notes that Britain is what is called a democracy. When he is asked what a democracy is, he describes it (paraphrased) as government by the people, for the people. His proteges express disbelief that any British laws exemplify this. You weren't paying attention. He said that Britain is what is called' a democracy.
- In L. Jagi Lamplighter's Prospero In Hell, Ulysses objects to democracy because it's bound to lead to Bread and Circuses.
- German philosopher Oswald Spengler's non-fiction book The Decline of the West.
- In the Star Trek Novel Verse, the Tzenkethi nation holds this opinion, which is why they're so opposed to the United Federation of Planets. Tzenkethi are assigned to politics if they pass a series of tests determining intellect and other qualities. In Star Trek Typhon Pact, a Tzenkethi agent reflects on the concept of allowing anyone a political voice:
"Those mediocre and substandard minds - uneducated, self-centred, avaricious, prejudiced, chauvinistically patriotic - would ultimately bring about the downfall of their society".
- Tris from the Circle Of Magic books believes this (the book itself doesn't endorse her opinion, but no one ever contests it either). In Shatterglass, she's visiting the ancient-Greece-inspired city-state of Tharios, a republic with a serious Obstructive Bureaucrat problem, and reflects on how easy it is to pass the buck in this environment; when there's one ruler of a country, he or she might suck, but at least then everyone knows who to blame.
- In Isaac Asimov's "Forward the Foundation" (the last prequel to the Foundation Trilogy), one of protagonist Hari Seldon's adversaries is a political movement that call for some vague reforms of the Galactic Empire (an absolute monarchy that is said to have brought peace and prosperity for millennia). The movement is shown to have some popular support but also to be prone to demagoguery, lies, manipulation and terrorism. At one point two leaders of the movement discuss their goals and one of them fears that the regime they are actually trying to establish is a "democracy" which he describes as a now-forgotten regime that was tried a few times through history but was always unstable and short-lived.
- A running theme in Raymond E. Feist's work - strong monarchies are good; influence by commoners is bad; democratic republics are outright immoral and corrupt. Oh, and foreigners are a corrupting influence in the monarchy, exploit child slavery.
- In GK Chesterton's The Paradoxes of Mr. Pond, the danger of a Royalist pretender is that it might bring about the Rightful King Returns because of the problems with republics.
the King has crept back among you. It is not your fault. Republics might be all right if Republicans were as honourable as you are; but you have confessed that they are not . . .
- Democracy is never even brought up in any Dune novel, as monarchy, coupled with a Feudal Future, is seen as perfectly natural. It seems Frank Herbert is not a big fan of democracy.
- In God Emperor of Dune, Leto or Moneo says that setting down a committee to decide which action to take is a sure make to make sure than no action is ever taken. This is the closest they get to discussing actual democracy.
- In the preceding book, Children of Dune, a younger Leto muses that while Feudalism is a brutal mess, it is the only form of government that works in the setting. Humanity is spread over thousands of worlds, interstellar travel is dominated by a single corporation which in turn is fully dependent on a substance that is found only on a single planet and can't be artificially made. Add in that all but the most simple computer systems are banned under threat of death — and that means nuking the entire planet of the inventor, just to make sure.
- In the Shannara series, the Federation is ostensibly democratic and is the villain of later novels. The monarchies of earlier novels, which were supplanted by the Federation, are generally portrayed positively.
- Germany's most famous classical author Johann Wolfgang von Goethe wrote in his Maxims and Reflections that any majority is made up of a few strongmen going ahead, some scoundrels adapting, some weaklings assimilating and the masses who don't know what they want following them. And democracy is rule by majority...
- Ever wonder why 'Series/'Yes Minister'' shows nothing from the parliament and first starts as the election results are known? Because, according to the authors, politic is made in the offices, clubs and other discreet meeting points. But okay, with one party having the majority (the usual in Great Britain) the leading people do, of course, not need to care about the opinions of other people than themselves...
- The politicians do care about the opinions of people; Hacker is constantly going on about opinion polls and the chances of re-election. The trouble is, he just thinks he's in charge; all the decisions are actually being made by Sir Humphrey. Hacker does have quite a bit of pull (more in later seasons as he gets a better handle on things), but the problem is he is more concerned with opinion polls and elections than with actually running the country in a sensible long term manner. Humphrey, on the other hand, is busy thinking about the government's (and occasionally the country's) best interest long term, but since he doesn't care at all about opinion polls and elections he feels no reason to change the inefficient system that raised him to his current position. As such, both are self interestedly neglecting the greater good, just in different ways. Pure, simple game theory.
- And part of this is the nature of the British system of politics; whilst the party which forms the government may change periodically due to elections, the civil service which enacts the policy is ever-present and in-theory politically neutral, favouring neither party over the other. And they have immensely good job protection; it's frequently asserted that it's nearly impossible for a civil servant to be fired. So whilst politicians usually disappear after a few years, to a Cabinet reshuffle if not a lost election, the bureaucrats are there until they retire.
- All the above being said, Humphrey and Hacker get a roughly equal number of plots when they are portrayed as clearly, unambiguously in the right.
- In the Doctor Who serial Castrovalva, when asked the quickest way out of town, a group of women all point in different directions. The Doctor: "Yes. Well, that's democracy for you..." More recently, in "The Beast Below", the Doctor comments, "And once every five years everyone chooses to forget everything they learned. Democracy in action."
- In Asylum of the Daleks, we learn that Daleks have a parliamentary democracy, which falls under this trope by default.
- Also in Vengeance On Varos, Varos is depicted as a dystopic democracy where most of the population watches executions for entertainment and will vote for the death of leaders they dislike, which apparently they do pretty often.
- In Earth 2, the Terrians view democracy as primitive and inefficient. However, as one character points out, humans aren't psychic like the Terrians and can't reach consensus this way.
- Arrow's Impossibility Theorem states that, if a voting system has the following reasonable properties:
- 1. If everyone prefers A over B, then the group prefers A over B, and
- 2. The group's preference between A and B does not change when C is added,
- then the system is a dictatorship, i.e. there is one person who ''always'' gets his preference.
- This isn't quite true, or at least it relies on an overly narrow definition of "voting system"; specifically, it applies to voting systems where voters are limited to ranking the candidates in order. If voters are also allowed to indicate their strength of preference, Arrow's Impossibility Theorem doesn't necessarily hold. However, in a "First past the post" style democracy (such as the US), this is true.
- Addressed in-story in Suikoden II. Jowy's Face Heel Turn is provoked by observing how the democratic City-States are paralyzed by bickering in the face of crisis. Though the city-states do end up winnging the war.
- Possibly unintentional example in the Sonic games, but one that gets slowly reversed. The military is notably absent from the 2D games. In Sonic Adventure, the police are ineffective against Chaos, to say the least. In Sonic Adventure 2, the government takes Sonic prisoner and is responsible for the whole mess due to its own double-dealing and distrust. In Shadow the Hedgehog, Shadow has to bail out the democratic United Federation against the aliens; its president is portrayed as somewhat wimpy and ineffectual and its military commander is obsessed with the past to the point of making him unable to cope with the present. Some might read the ending of Shadow as hinting at reform in the government inspired by Gerald and Maria Robotnik, though.
In Sonic Chronicles the military works with Sonic and his crew readily, but that is not canon. Same with Shadow's apparent military connection in Sonic 2006. The comic books have been accused of this; one arc had Tails' father instigate a revolution, and after a good deal of infighting and Sonic struggling to not let anyone get killed, they eventually settled on a compromise, along the lines of a Constitutional Monarchy (kinda like Britain). Looks like not everything is better with princesses.
- There's a pretty blatant case of this in Dragon Age: Origins. The Assembly of Orzammar is utterly useless thanks to the Succession Crisis. They can't seem to agree on anything, even with the threat of a new Blight on the horizon. The fact that the Reasonable Authority Figure Harrowmont governs through compromise and negotiation with the Assembly can actually be seen as a weakness and leads to Orzammar getting worse in the epilogue if he is crowned king. On the other hand, Bhelen reforms Orzammar by pretty much ignoring, then outright dissolving, the Assembly if he is crowned king. The Assembly isn't least bit democratic, however. It only represents the powerful noble houses, who all want to get upper hand over everybody else. None of them are interested in the people under them. If they were, they would find more common ground.
- Orzammar's Assembly actually has one member who is completely sick of all the self-serving politics. He disdains both candidates for the throne because he thinks neither of them will serve the interests of the common people. Of course, since he's the only one even remotely interested in democratic ideals, he spends most of his time getting drunk.
- It should also be noted that the Blight is only a bane for the surface-dwellers. For the dwarves, who are constantly under threat from the Darkspawn, the Blight means a reprieve, as most of the Darkspawn head for the surface.
- Anachronox has the planet Democratus, who vote on anything and barely ever get anything done. Only when faced with oblivion do they come to a quick agreement, but they still have to vote on it.
- In the Adventure Game Ceville, the council election drives the overthrown king to this conclusion: "the one in charge [of a democracy] is just as tyrannical as I was, but they hide it better."
- Occasionally invoked and discussed in Deus Ex. For example, in the first game J.C. Denton can get into a political discussion with a bartender in a Hong Kong nightclub. J.C. argues that the checks and balances of a western style government allow democracy to flurish by addressing and pre-empting the potential weaknesses of individuals that it would otherwise suffer. The bartender on the other hand has a pro-authoritarian view, arguing that a government that recognizes the weaknesses of the people involved in it would only encourage those same weaknesses in them, and that a government that makes no allowances for such weaknesses would be more effective. Later, J.C. has a similar conversation with the A.I.s Morpheous and Icarus about the benefits of centralized authority versus distributed democracy.
- BioShock: "Is a man not entitled by the sweat of his brow? No, says the man in Washington, it belongs to the poor!" Andrew Ryan is an Objectivist and naturally doesn't think too highly of other forms of government, either. The overall message of the game, however, is that extremism in any form, be it over Objectivism, capitalism, democracy, etc., is bad.
- Vault City in Fallout 2 considered democracy (or indeed, anyone outside their system) to be bad. First Citizen Lynette refers to the NCR's democratic style as "mob rule". So they instead run their state as an elitist, racist, oligarchy that fuels the slave trade. This does not appeal to the rabidly anti-slavery and pro-democracy NCR, to say the least.
- Caesar and Mr. House from Fallout New Vegas independently think that democracy is bad, and both tell you that all you need for proof is to look out at the wastes. The corruption of the NCR's upper echelons and the obstructive bureaucracy that keeps much from actually getting done does not help democracy's case either. And neither does Vault 11. Though, democracy is not what caused the apocalypse, since the United States and China were both military dictatorships before the war, whereas Caesar is the Big Bad who runs a society where all women are slaves and the handicapped, the sick, the elderly, and the intellectuals are put to death.
- In the Mass Effect setting, normal democracy is not so much bad as it is inefficient. The asari species practive a massive, active e-democracy where any citizen can weigh in on an issue at anytime via the extranet; while this results in intensive debate and exploration of an issue in great depth, it also means that it takes a while for a true decision to be made on an issue; as Shepard can point out, "if you want a problem talked to death, ask an asari." Later on in Mass Effect 2, a conversation with Legion, a "terminal" for the geth (a species of networked computer programs) notes that democracy is the "codification of the most widely held views" and is not a true form of consensus. The geth themselves practice what could be considered a "true" democracy similar to the asari, as all geth are in constant communication when part of server nodes, communicating at lightspeed with perfect clarity of thought and information to one another, allowing the geth to reach a true "consensus" on an issue with all possible viewpoints considered and debated at - literally - the speed of light. In fact, "Consensus" is, for lack of a better term, actually the name of their "government."
- In Mass Effect 3 this came back to bite the asari in the butt: despite all the fighting prowess of the asari commandos and being the wisest Council race and all, their form of governance meant they were split too much and could not quickly and effectively mount a defense. Their homeworld was the fastest to fall to the Reapers. In contrast the Turian race, the closest thing to a military government, is still fighting on their homeworld for the majority of the game's storyline.
- In The Simpsons episode "Bart's Comet", the town was going to be struck by the eponymous comet, and Congress' bill to evacuate the town was voted down thanks to a pornography rider attached to it. Kent Brockman's response? "I've said it before and I'll say it again: democracy simply doesn't work." This line is echoed by Homer in "Much Apu About Nothing", after a proposition is passed that requires all illegal immigrants to be deported.