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24th Nov '16 8:11:17 AM CumbersomeTercel
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* In the ''Series/DoctorWho'' serial ''Castrovalva'', when asked the quickest way out of town, a group of women all point in different directions. The Doctor: "Yes. Well, that's democracy for you..." More recently, in "The Beast Below", the Doctor comments, "And once every five years everyone chooses to forget everything they learned. Democracy in action."
** The trope becomes a theme that is explored in the climax of ''[[Recap/DoctorWhoS12E4GenesisOfTheDaleks Genesis of the Daleks]]''. The [[LaResistance Kaled rebel]] leader Gharman proposes that the Dalek project be scrapped and the Kaleds continue under a democratically elected leader. Using Gharman's proposal of democracy to his advantage, Davros demands a vote between loyalty to Gharman and his plans, or continuing the Dalek project under himself. In private, he says the following to [[TheDragon Nyder]]: "They talk of democracy, freedom, fairness. Those are the creeds of cowards. The ones who will listen to a thousand viewpoints and try to satisfy them all. Achievement comes through absolute power, and power through strength." Davros gains support in the election by calling on old favours he did for members of the opposition. [[spoiler: And after still losing out in the vote, Davros decides to [[BoardToDeath kill off Gharman and his opposition]] by inviting the Daleks to join the election]].

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* In the ''Series/DoctorWho'' serial ''Castrovalva'', "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS19E1Castrovalva Castrovalva]]", when asked the quickest way out of town, a group of women all point in different directions. The Doctor: "Yes. Well, that's democracy for you..." More recently, in "The Beast Below", the Doctor comments, "And once every five years everyone chooses to forget everything they learned. Democracy in action."
** The trope becomes a theme that is explored in the climax of ''[[Recap/DoctorWhoS12E4GenesisOfTheDaleks "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS12E4GenesisOfTheDaleks Genesis of the Daleks]]''.Daleks]]". The [[LaResistance Kaled rebel]] leader Gharman proposes that the Dalek project be scrapped and the Kaleds continue under a democratically elected leader. Using Gharman's proposal of democracy to his advantage, Davros demands a vote between loyalty to Gharman and his plans, or continuing the Dalek project under himself. In private, he says the following to [[TheDragon Nyder]]: "They talk of democracy, freedom, fairness. Those are the creeds of cowards. The ones who will listen to a thousand viewpoints and try to satisfy them all. Achievement comes through absolute power, and power through strength." Davros gains support in the election by calling on old favours he did for members of the opposition. [[spoiler: And after still losing out in the vote, Davros decides to [[BoardToDeath kill off Gharman and his opposition]] by inviting the Daleks to join the election]].
31st Oct '16 12:23:09 AM JulianLapostat
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It can also be presented this way by authors who don't necessarily approve of other forms of government, but are cynical enough that they consider ''all'' forms of government to be flawed ([[FailureIsTheOnlyOption with the inclusion of no government at all]]). As UsefulNotes/WinstonChurchill put it "Democracy is the worst form of government, [[NoExceptYes except for all the other methods that have been tried]]".[[note]]Please note that this comes from an [[RootingForTheEmpire imperialist]] [[SoreLoser who was voted out of the Prime Minister's post]] [[UngratefulBastard by an organized Labour opposition]] after UsefulNotes/WorldWarII [[WonTheWarLostThePeace despite the fact that it was largely his actions that preserved the U.K.]] [[/note]]

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It can also be presented this way by authors who don't necessarily approve of other forms of government, but are cynical enough that they consider ''all'' forms of government to be flawed ([[FailureIsTheOnlyOption with the inclusion of no government at all]]). As UsefulNotes/WinstonChurchill put it "Democracy is the worst form of government, [[NoExceptYes except for all the other methods that have been tried]]".[[note]]Please note that [[SoreLoser this comes from an [[RootingForTheEmpire imperialist]] [[SoreLoser unrepentant imperialist who was voted out of the Prime Minister's post]] [[UngratefulBastard office by an organized Labour opposition]] Labour]] after UsefulNotes/WorldWarII [[WonTheWarLostThePeace [[UnreliableNarrator despite the fact that it was largely his actions that preserved the U.K.]] being a popular wartime leader]] [[/note]]
26th Oct '16 9:48:31 AM cdrood
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** Also, ''ComicBook/CivilWar'' is essentially a fight between heroes who are enforcing a law passed by duly elected officials and heroes who believe they should have the right to act however they see fit. Yes CaptainAmerica fought against democracy.
17th Oct '16 1:21:34 PM DocWildNole
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It can also be presented this way by authors who don't necessarily approve of other forms of government, but are cynical enough that they consider ''all'' forms of government to be flawed ([[FailureIsTheOnlyOption with the inclusion of no government at all]]). As UsefulNotes/WinstonChurchill put it "Democracy is the worst form of government, [[NoExceptYes except for all the other methods that have been tried]]".[[note]]Please note that [[SoreLoser this comes from an unrepentant imperialist who was voted out of office by Labour]] after UsefulNotes/WorldWarII [[UnreliableNarrator despite being a popular wartime leader]] [[/note]]

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It can also be presented this way by authors who don't necessarily approve of other forms of government, but are cynical enough that they consider ''all'' forms of government to be flawed ([[FailureIsTheOnlyOption with the inclusion of no government at all]]). As UsefulNotes/WinstonChurchill put it "Democracy is the worst form of government, [[NoExceptYes except for all the other methods that have been tried]]".[[note]]Please note that [[SoreLoser this comes from an unrepentant imperialist [[RootingForTheEmpire imperialist]] [[SoreLoser who was voted out of office the Prime Minister's post]] [[UngratefulBastard by Labour]] an organized Labour opposition]] after UsefulNotes/WorldWarII [[UnreliableNarrator [[WonTheWarLostThePeace despite being a popular wartime leader]] the fact that it was largely his actions that preserved the U.K.]] [[/note]]
20th Sep '16 1:32:19 PM StrixObscuro
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* In the ''ComicBook/ProjectSuperpowers'' universe, America's democracy has been corrupted by the Supremacy, which has put one of their agents, Power Nelson, in the White House as the duly-elected President Gene West, which thus justifies the heroes overthrowing the government in the second series. Meanwhile, in Europe, the heroic Boy King's goals include restoring his kingdom of [[{{Ruritania}} Swisslakia]], which fell all the way back during World War II; no mention is made of what will become of the government that has arisen since then, although the Boy King insists that there's no assurance that a democracy would be better than the magically-enforced monarchy that he plans to set up.
20th Sep '16 12:54:52 PM JulianLapostat
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It can also be presented this way by authors who don't necessarily approve of other forms of government, but are cynical enough that they consider ''all'' forms of government to be flawed ([[FailureIsTheOnlyOption with the inclusion of no government at all]]). As UsefulNotes/WinstonChurchill put it "Democracy is the worst form of government, [[NoExceptYes except for all the other methods that have been tried]]".

Indeed, before the Dutch Republic, the term "Democracy" was more-or-less synonymous with "Anarchy" or "Mob Rule," believed by many to be a utopian idea that could never work in practice and would lead to the collapse of society. The term is rarely used this way today. Indeed the main Anarchist critique of Democracy as it exists today is that they see it as not really democratic at all. Also, they would distinguish between what's called "representative" democracy (in their view a small elite leading people by the nose) and participatory or direct democracy in a voluntary form-i.e. if you want to live by yourself that's okay too. Below is more on the representative style.

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It can also be presented this way by authors who don't necessarily approve of other forms of government, but are cynical enough that they consider ''all'' forms of government to be flawed ([[FailureIsTheOnlyOption with the inclusion of no government at all]]). As UsefulNotes/WinstonChurchill put it "Democracy is the worst form of government, [[NoExceptYes except for all the other methods that have been tried]]".

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tried]]".[[note]]Please note that [[SoreLoser this comes from an unrepentant imperialist who was voted out of office by Labour]] after UsefulNotes/WorldWarII [[UnreliableNarrator despite being a popular wartime leader]] [[/note]]

For most of history, say,
before the Dutch Republic, the term "Democracy" was more-or-less synonymous with "Anarchy" or "Mob Rule," believed by many to be a utopian idea that could never work in practice and would lead to the collapse of society. The term is rarely used this way today. Indeed the main Anarchist critique of Democracy as it exists today is that they see it as not really democratic at all. Also, they because the forms and ideas of democracy shifted radically from Athens to the Middle Ages. Today we would distinguish between what's called "representative" democracy "representative democracy" (in their view a small elite leading people by elites, who owe their election to popular vote, but once in power SellOut and serve the nose) hegemony) and participatory or direct democracy in a voluntary form-i.e. if you want to live by yourself that's okay too. Below is more on form. [[NotSoDifferent The Athenian direct democracy and the Roman representative style.
republic were both united]] in their acceptance of slavery, limited and exclusive franchise and suffrage, and an elite constituency and to modern sensibilities qualifies as an oligarchy[[note]]Contrary to popular belief, aristocrats comes from democracy rather than kingdoms. It originally referred to the elite voting base in Athens[[/note]]. When historically, people criticized democracy as "mob rule" or unworkable they largely had in mind Athenian direct democracy, or what [[TheThemeParkVersion they thought was Athenian direct democracy]]. The more utopian forms of "direct democracy" advocated today by anarchists or anarcho-syndicalists was criticized by UsefulNotes/TheEnlightenment theorists for being unworkable for governing a large expanse of land, especially as TheRepublic was evolving from being the government of city-states to nation-states, and the latter idea of democracy (representative but with a progressively expansive and inclusive franchise and suffrage) is the system that has consensus today.



As a point of interest, a [[CommonKnowledge popular but incorrect belief]] is that most modern governments, being republics, aren't actually democracies. This is false: the definition of "republic" is, "any form of government which is not a monarchy or theocracy," and any system in which a large electorate or its elected representatives wield power can legitimately be called democratic. The distinction being made is actually that between direct and representative democracy; the former, in which all issues are discussed by the electorate at large and put to a popular vote, is seen as more legitimate by certain strains of political thought, though it is also generally considered impractical on a large scale. Representative democracy relies by contrast on elected agents of the people, whose job it is to to draft and vote on laws full-time, in theory in accordance with the values of the voters they represent. Both systems have certain weaknesses, but both are democratic by definition.

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As a point of interest, a [[CommonKnowledge popular but incorrect belief]] is that most modern governments, being Historically, to avert this, sometimes people have used InsistentTerminology defining their ideal governments as republics, aren't actually democracies. as opposed to democracy. This is false: the definition did make sense at one time (since it represented a clash between Athenian Democracy and Roman-Style Republic) but modern representative democracy would consider it a tautology: The definition of "republic" is, "any form of government which is not a monarchy or theocracy," and any system in which a large electorate or its elected representatives wield power can legitimately be called democratic. The distinction being made is actually that between direct and representative democracy; the former, in which all issues are discussed by the electorate at large and put to a popular vote, is seen as more legitimate by certain strains of political thought, though it is also generally considered impractical on a large scale. Representative democracy relies by contrast on elected agents of the people, whose job it is to to draft and vote on laws full-time, in theory in accordance with the values of the voters they represent. Both systems have certain weaknesses, but both are democratic by definition.
definition. A potential wrinkle is the notion of dictatorship which was originally an institution in Republican Rome but in the 20th Century was cited as a feature of many governments that are neither monarchies or theocracies, and so claim to be PeoplesRepublicOfTyranny.
15th Aug '16 4:56:14 PM Tallens
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* ''Fanfic/SuddenContact'': Stukov flat out calls democracy a waste and a "tyranny of uneducated masses".
13th Aug '16 12:31:48 PM nombretomado
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* [[DichterUndDenker German philosopher]] Oswald Spengler's non-fiction book ''Literature/TheDeclineOfTheWest''.

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* [[DichterUndDenker [[UsefulNotes/DichterAndDenker German philosopher]] Oswald Spengler's non-fiction book ''Literature/TheDeclineOfTheWest''.
3rd Aug '16 1:07:47 AM shadowmanwkp
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** This troper would like to point out that, judging by Spider Jerusalem's diatribes, it's not democracy that's bad, but mindless belief in the authority. Most of his victories are examples of democracy working as it was intended and he mostly just kicks, prods and curses the people into using it. So the trope is averted if not subverted outright.

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** This troper would like to point out that, judging Judging by Spider Jerusalem's diatribes, it's not democracy that's bad, but mindless belief in the authority. Most of his victories are examples of democracy working as it was intended and he mostly just kicks, prods and curses the people into using it. So the trope is averted if not subverted outright.
27th Jul '16 2:47:46 AM thatmadork
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* ''VideoGame/SidMeiersAlphaCentauri'': Some factions will attack you for having a democratic government, with different justifications. Chairman Yang of the Human Hive opposes democracies as his whole ideology is authoritarianism and collectivism taken to the logical extreme; in his words, "democracy is the first cousin of anarchy". Sister Miriam Godwinson of the Lord's Believers has her own take on democracy, opposing it due to the secular nature of such a government and advocating a theocracy instead.
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