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22nd Mar '17 12:10:35 PM Medinoc
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* The [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibbard-Satterthwaite_theorem Gibbard–Satterthwaite theorem]] proves that there is no voting system whatsoever which does not have at least one of the following undesirable properties if more than two candidates or positions are competing against each other:

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* The [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibbard-Satterthwaite_theorem Gibbard–Satterthwaite theorem]] (based on the previous) proves that there is no voting system whatsoever which does not have at least one of the following undesirable properties if more than two candidates or positions are competing against each other:
22nd Mar '17 10:45:40 AM Medinoc
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---> "He introduced democracy to the city, and the people voted against it."\

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---> "He introduced democracy to the city, and the people voted against it."\"
22nd Mar '17 10:45:25 AM Medinoc
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** Then there's benevolent tyrant of Ankh-Morpork, Lord Vetinari, who considers his job much more difficult than any elected head of state's: after all, ''they'' can always tell the public that it's their fault for voting for them. in the latest offering, "Discworld/UnseenAcademicals" we discover nearby city state Pseudopolis has apparently become a republic of some kind, and Vetinari and a few others enjoy making comments about this. Apparently the citizens voted not to have any taxes for one thing.

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** Then there's benevolent tyrant of Ankh-Morpork, Lord Vetinari, who considers his job much more difficult than any elected head of state's: after all, ''they'' can always tell the public that it's their fault for voting for them. in In the latest offering, "Discworld/UnseenAcademicals" we discover nearby city state Pseudopolis has apparently become a republic of some kind, and Vetinari and a few others enjoy making comments about this. Apparently the citizens voted not to have any taxes for one thing.
17th Mar '17 6:35:12 AM hullflyer
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*** Book ''does'' demonstrate that anyone can earn privilege to vote, and thought not everyone can earn it by non-combat role some can, by means of doctor who says that: "if you came in here in a wheelchair and blind in both eyes and were silly enough to insist on enrolling, they would find you something silly to match. Counting the fuzz on a caterpillar by touch, maybe".

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*** Book The book ''does'' demonstrate that anyone can earn the privilege to vote, and thought though not everyone can earn it by a non-combat role role, some can, as explained by means of the doctor who says that: "if you came in here in a wheelchair and blind in both eyes and were silly enough to insist on enrolling, they would find you something silly to match. Counting the fuzz on a caterpillar by touch, maybe".
12th Mar '17 10:50:24 AM ImpudentInfidel
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---> "He introduced democracy to the city, and the people voted against it."

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---> "He introduced democracy to the city, and the people voted against it.""\
** In later books, Vetinary started assigning disruptive people in large meetings to side committees on the subject of whatever side issue they're arguing about. These inevitably never reached useful conclusions, but their main function was to get rid of the members for a few hours.
12th Mar '17 10:39:00 AM ImpudentInfidel
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** The United Nations of Sol, the main government for Terra-native species, was originally portrayed as this. It was later retconned to be a Plutocracy with only superficial democratic elements.
19th Feb '17 3:06:11 PM H2SO4
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* In ''Franchise/StarCraft'' the Terran Confederacy was corrupt and oppressive, in the backstory they nuked a planet that attempted to secede and in the first game they attempted to weaponize the Zerg to take out rebellions with plausible deniability. Granted, Arcturus Mengsk is at least as bad when he takes out the Confederacy and sets himself up as Emperor of the Terran Dominion, but [[spoiler: his son Valerian at least claims to end the tyrannical oppression when he ascends to the throne.]]

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* In ''Franchise/StarCraft'' the Terran Confederacy was corrupt and oppressive, in the backstory they nuked a planet that attempted to secede and in the first game they attempted to weaponize the Zerg to take out rebellions with plausible deniability. Granted, Arcturus Mengsk is at least as bad when he takes out the Confederacy and sets himself up as Emperor of the Terran Dominion, but [[spoiler: his son Valerian at least claims to end the tyrannical oppression when he ascends to the throne.throne by replacing all the corrupt officials to make sure the people have a voice.]]
26th Jan '17 2:42:27 AM ImpudentInfidel
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** Large scale democracy is physically impossible for the Imperium. Travel and communication are so slow and unreliable that they have only a vague idea how many member worlds they even have, much less trying to organize a vote.
23rd Jan '17 2:23:25 PM KeithM
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** All the above being said, Humphrey and Hacker get a roughly equal number of plots when they are portrayed as clearly, unambiguously in the right.

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** All the above being said, Humphrey and Hacker get a roughly equal number of plots when they are portrayed as clearly, unambiguously in the right. There's also a roughly equal number of times where they are attempting to manipulate the situation for their own personal benefit.
23rd Jan '17 2:17:01 PM KeithM
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* In ''Videogame/MassEffect3'', of the three Council races invaded by the Reapers (the salarians were essentially untouched), the democratic human government and democratic asari republics did essentially nothing to prepare for the Reaper invasion, while the turians, whose government is essentially a benevolent military dictatorship, are the only ones who do anything, even half-heartedly, to prepare for the invasion.
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