YMMV / New Jedi Order

  • Alas, Poor Scrappy: The death of Borsk Fey'lya.
  • Alternative Character Interpretation: There are those (in and out of universe) who feel that the Empire would have been more than capable of handling the Vong and that Palpatine had established it to deal with them, while others (again, in and out of universe) feel the Empire's failure against the Rebellion and obsession with Awesome, but Impractical superweapons meant that even if it had been, it would have lost regardless. There's also a third middle-of-the-road interpretation that Palpatine was planning for the Yuuzhan Vong War, but viewed them as a rival to be eliminated rather than his raison d'etre.

    In Destiny's Way Han Solo gives a "The Reason You Suck" Speech to an Imperial Remnant naval officer on version #2 after she speaks in favor of version #1:
    "What the Empire would have done was build a super-colossal Yuuzhan Vong–killing battle machine. They would have called it the Nova Colossus or the Galaxy Destructor or the Nostril of Palpatine or something equally grandiose. They would have spent billions of credits, employed thousands of contractors and subcontractors, and equipped it with the latest in death-dealing technology. And you know what would have happened? It wouldn't have worked. They'd forget to bolt down a metal plate over an access hatch leading to the main reactors, or some other mistake, and a hotshot enemy pilot would drop a bomb down there and blow the whole thing up. Now that's what the Empire would have done."
  • Ass Pull: While Zonama Sekot had been previously introduced (in Greg Bear's Rogue Planet, set between TPM and AOTC), its explanation of a major plot detail came completely out of nowhere. The series provided several philosophical examinations of the Force and what it meant that the Yuuzhan Vong could not be sensed. The Jedi spent a lot of time agonizing over this and questioning everything they knew, which was perhaps the height of storytelling for the series. At the end, however, we learn that the Genius Loci of the Vong "Took the Force away" from the entire species, because apparently it can do that. It was a development that not only arose from nowhere, it retroactively turned the Jedi quest for greater understanding of the Force into a "Shaggy Dog" Story.
  • Base-Breaking Character: An entire race of them. Apparently, the Yuuhzan Vong are simultaneously a fresh blast of originality that provided a threatening and utterly badass new foe and the later franchise ruined itself by later deciding to make tired rehashes of previous villains in the form of Darth Caedus and the First Order and a nonsensical and ugly blight on the franchise that's try-hard attempts to be Grim Dark was so horrendous that the only way to save the franchise was to nuke them from canon entirely.
  • Broken Base: The Expanded Universe as a whole varies wildly with the fans depending on which book or writer is in question. Nothing compares with New Jedi Order on just how split the reception among the fanbase given how radical of a departure it was in tone. Even the prequels are less divisive.
    • Fans of the books like the change in tone, feeling that more mature story was exactly what the franchise needed, appreciate the Yuuzhan Vong as something different from the worn-out "superweapons and darksiders" the Bantam era overused, and enjoy the exploration of the sticky moral issues the concept of the Dark Side represents. Detractors feel the series suffered from being way too long, hate the offhanded killing of popular characters, and describe the Yuuzhan Vong as "BDSM supervillains."
  • Complete Monster: Onimi was once a gifted Shaper whose experiments resulted in him becoming hideous and malformed, branding him as a Shamed One and outcast in the eyes of the Yuuzhan Vong. However, his experiments also granted him incredible power. He enslaved the mind of Supreme Overlord Shimrra Jamaane, ruling the Yuuzhan Vong as the secret master from the shadows while being publicly presented as Shimrra's court jester, hiding his intellect behind Obfuscating Stupidity. Onimi ordered the invasion of the Galaxy, leading to a brutal campaign that saw hundreds of trillions dead and entire species and worlds annihilated by the Yuuzhan Vong. Desperate to contain the supposed "Jeedai" heresy, Onimi initiates violent purges of his own people, slaughtering them en masse while throwing away the lives of loyal Yuuzhan Vong on pointless endeavors throughout the war. When he faces off with the Solo twins, Onimi reveals he has come to see them as avatars of the Yuuzhan Vong gods of trickery and war and reveals his intentions to continue the massacre of everything in the galaxy to elevate himself to godhood. Twisted, cruel and obsessed with his own glory, Onimi aimed to destroy all he could for the sole purpose of spitting in the faces of the gods he abandoned in his own hubris.
  • Crack Pairing: Several years ago on TheForce.net, Jacen X Nen Yim did a brief stint as a mildly popular pairing (often with Tahiri playing matchmaker). The two characters never meet, aren't the same species, and are on opposite sides of the war. Usually done with something of a knowing wink, though.
  • Executive Meddling: A lot of the aborted plot threads are the result of this. For instance, Anakin Solo was being set up to be the main hero of the series, until George Lucas became concerned audiences would confuse Anakin Solo and Anakin Skywalker, and requested Anakin Solo be killed. This forced a scramble to retool Jacen into the main hero of the series.
  • Fanon Discontinuity: The death of Anakin Solo.
  • "Funny Aneurysm" Moment: Near the end of "Onslaught", Jacen and Anakin are talking and getting philosophical.
    Jacen: Look, one thing, no matter what we did at Dantooine, I was proud to have you at my side. I don't know what I'll be in the future, Anakin, but I know you'll be a great Jedi Knight. I have confidence that you will succeed, no matter what life throws at you.
    Anakin: Are you really Jacen, or some Yuuzhan Vong in an ooglith masquer?
    Jacen: For now, I'm Jacen Solo.
    Jacen: [thinking] What I'll be in the future, however, is anyone's guess.
  • Harsher in Hindsight: Chewbacca's death, while a Tear Jerker before, has been made worse after The Force Awakens, where in the new canon, Han and Chewie effectively switch places, with Chewie watching helplessly as Han is struck down.
    • Watch Jacen Solo, especially earlier in the series, opposing Luke in forming a Jedi Council, and he's generally low opinion of politicians in general, and his belief that a Jedi should be guided by their own relationship with the Force and knowledge of light and dark. Then recall Anakin Skywalker's thoughts on politics in Attack of the Clones, and what Jacen ultimately becomes in Legacy of the Force. . .
    • In 1998 (the year Vector Prime, the first book, was published), the idea of a group of invading fanatics following a twisted version of a generally benevolent religion who are unafraid of death or using self-destructive or suicide tactics threatening the galaxy was probably seen as just another Star Wars story. Three years later (at about the midpoint of the story arc), a group of fanatics following a twisted version of a generally benevolent religion used a suicide tactic put a hole in the middle of New York City.
  • Idiot Plot: There are several who feel this is the case, for NJO and everything following.
  • It Was His Sled/All There Is to Know About "The Crying Game": While Vector Prime's bumping off of Chewbacca was a huge shock at the time of its release, it's really not much of a spoiler anymore.
  • Iron Woobie: Vua Rapuung in Edge of Victory I is one of the first truly sympathetic Yuuzhan Vong we meet. He's a war hero who was in a Secret Relationship with a shaper (Nen Yim's mentor). His lover betrayed him by making his implants go bad, forcing him to join the ranks of the Shamed Ones, the YV underclass who are treated little better than slaves. In the book proper he forms an Enemy Mine with Anakin Solo to get revenge, in exchange for helping Anakin rescue Tahiri from captivity.
  • Magnificent Bastard: Nom Anor, Vergere, Tsavong Lah, and Onimi.
  • Moral Event Horizon:
    • When the Vong send a moon crashing down on Chewbacca, killing him and the planet's population. After crossing the Horizon, they just keep going. Most memorable was their genocidal conquest of Coruscant.
    • What they do to Ithor. Corran Horn dueled with Shai to decide the planet's fate. If Corran won, Ithor would be spared. Corran slays Shai, but the other Vong betray him and unleash biochemical weapons that melt down Ithor's ecosystem, killing the population.
      • It should be noted that the whole reason for the battle of Ithor was that Ithor was home to a tree who's pollen caused a fatal allergic reaction in Yuuzhan Vong Vonduun Crabshell armor (and by extension, the warrior wearing it.) The Yuuzhan Vong didn't want such a weapon in the hands of their enemies. It's still a moral event horizon, but it does at least put Deign Lian's motivations outside of For the Evulz.
    • Onimi crosses this during his Motive Rant. Before, everyone thought he was just a messed-up individual. It's impossible to have any pity after learning that he knowingly caused the most devastating war in Galactic History, which resulted in the deaths of untold trillions and the extinction of entire species, and is responsible for all the pain and suffering the Vong inflict on the galaxy purely to ascend to godhood.
    • Played with and ultimately subverted. Just after the midway point, it's revealed that Luke's greatest fear is that Yuuzhan Vong are not only so evil, but so unnatural, that his only choice will be to lead the Jedi in a war of extinction against them. Vergere tells him this is not the case. Ultimately, the Yuuzhan Vong as a species are redeeemed, but several individual members are still beyond the pale.
  • Narm Charm: This gem from Pellaeon. Laughably stupid? Hell yeah. Still awesome? HELL YEAH!
    Pellaeon: You may win the occasional battle against us, Vorrik, but the Empire will always strike back. That I promise you.
  • Nightmare Fuel:
    • The Yuuzhan Vong. Their organic technology is bad enough, but then there's their obsession with pain and suffering, which they consider a religious experience.
    • Lord Nyax. Two meters high, lobotomized to the point of no higher thought process, hunts through the Force, with six lightsabers attached to his hands, elbows, and knees respectively, prowling through the forgotten slums of Vong-ruled Coruscant searching for prey among the refugees and survivors.
  • Strawman Has a Point: A subplot in the early books deals with a schism within the Jedi Order brought on by the invasion, with some Jedi, opposed by Luke and the other protagonist Jedi such as the Solo siblings, wanting to use leftover Imperial superweapons and Centerpoint Station against the Yuuzhan Vong. To prove that they're misguided, they're labeled "heretics" and are willing to do things like kidnap children. Nobody, up to and including Luke himself, is able to come up with a coherent reason why using superweapons against Yuuzhan Vong military targets is any worse than using conventional weapons—and lest we forget, Star Wars Legends is a setting where an ordinary starship is a Weapon of Mass Destruction. (In Destiny's Way, Han gives a hilariously snarky "The Reason You Suck" Speech pointing out that superweapons tend to be Awesome, but Impractical, although that still doesn't answer why they can't use ones that already exist.)
  • They Changed It, Now It Sucks: A lot of fans had issues with various aspects of the series because it was so different from previous Star Wars works.
  • Vindicated by History: Fan opinion on the series' quality improved in the twilight years of the Star Wars Legends continuity, albeit partly because the next three big series, Dark Nest Trilogy, Legacy of the Force, and Fate of the Jedi, were widely considered much worse, with FOTJ ending up as the Franchise Killer for the post-Endor EU even before The Force Awakens was announced.


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