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Rooting for the Empire
"I'm starting to root for the shark."
Jasmine, I Didn't Do It

Where the villains of a series become more popular than the good guys. The heroes start to rub the fans the wrong way, and a notable proportion of the fandom now dislikes and actively bashes the main characters. They're almost a Hatedom, yet they call themselves fans and continue to read/watch/play the source material because they like the bad guys. However, once they take this opinion, they tend to never care what actually happens anymore to contradict their views.

Villain Protagonists in particular are very likely to create this sort of reaction, since it forces the audience to empathize with the villainous main character when the entire story is told from their point of view. Having their conflict be against other (sometimes even worse) bad guys rather than heroic antagonists tends to cause either this or Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy. It also often happens in works with a Designated Hero and/or Designated Villain.

There's usually a turning point in canon that leads to this, sometimes irrational and sometimes rational:

The irrational reasons are fans gaining too much Sympathy for the Devil; getting a subplot that's more interesting than what the main cast is doing; the bad guys are considered cooler than the good guys; the villain is so incompetent that the fans think they should win; the bad guys attacked the Creator's Pet; the fans want to be on the strongest side, for once; or the series runs on White and Grey Morality, it may be that the viewer is tired of having a hero never able to make a tough decision and revels in rooting for someone who does.

Rational reasons are things such as: the evilness of the villains being an Informed Attribute, while the "Heroes" repeatedly Kick the Dog and act unpleasant; or perhaps the villain constantly makes good points; or the series uses Grey and Grey Morality or Black and Grey Morality so Rooting for the Empire is an Intended Audience Reaction.

Tends to occur when the source material has jumped the shark and started to lose its focus, but sometimes Just for Fun or for reasons of the fans' own. It can also be a response to Writer Revolt or a perceived slight to the fans. Jerkass Dissonance often plays a part. Unlike the Misaimed Fandom, the character roles are working out as they're supposed to, but the audience willingly cheers on the enemy. Hate toward the actor can also be involved in this, when the hated actor is playing a good guy.

Contrast Draco in Leather Pants and Ron the Death Eater for when this happens in Fanon. Also contrast Love to Hate, where the villain is just popular, but not always rooted for.


Examples:

Real Life Examples:

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    Advertising 
  • In the Apple-produced "I'm a Mac/I'm a PC" commercials, many viewers tended to side with the PC, which came across as more of a likable everyman, while the Mac seemed like a smug tosser.
  • And who doesn't root for the Lucky Charms leprechaun? He's only trying to protect what's his.
    • Thankfully, more recent commercials have him steal it back by the end.
  • There are hundreds of thousands of people around the world who want the Trix rabbit to put a hurting on some smart-assed kids and take their cereal.

    Anime and Manga 
  • Bleach is pretty notorious for this. We had just been through a good five years' worth of dealing with the Soul Society as the antagonists during a conspiracy arc, so we were exposed to a lot of the crimes, inequality (deceased humans' souls are regulated to live in slums) and bureaucracy evident in the Soul Society. While the Arrancar aren't exactly a nice bunch, several fans were quite annoyed at the archaic, aristocratic depiction of the supposed afterlife, and it was not uncommon to see fans view disappointment at whenever an Espada lost a fight with a captain. Hell, it's easy to feel some sympathy for the Hollows (and, by extension, the Arrancars) who are hunted by the Shinigami. Hollows need to feed on souls in order to survive, so although they need to be killed because of the threat they pose to humans, they themselves see their actions merely as self-preservation. They'd be straight up Anti Villains if not for the sheer sadistic glee so many of them take in hunting humans and Soul Reapers, along with the fact that all of them are just corrupted souls who have forgotten what they originally were, and they aren't so much killed as absolved as their sins and allowed to move on to the afterlife naturally.
  • Code Geass - A number of people supported the Holy Empire of Britannia, some because they began to dislike Lelouch, some because they believed that Britannia actually had sensible (if cut-throat) policies, and others... well...
    • There's the British fans who root for their own country, barely veiled expy though it is.
  • A common complaint of Crest of the Stars; thanks to the Abh being Designated Heroes, many complain they are The Empire and the author is Rooting for the Empire, so fans instead decide to Root For The Empire by cheering on the United Humankind faction, who are the Designated Villain and play The Empire straight.
  • Death Note is... a complicated example. Light is already a Knight Templar/Villain Protagonist, prone to Draco in Leather Pants, but his Worthy Opponent L is equally popular, so who you rooted for was, hopefully, irrelevant, as long as they kept fighting. Once L dies, Near was such a Replacement Scrappy, and an Insufferable Genius, those rooting for Light and calling for Near's head grew much more vociferous - as did the supporters of loose cannon Mello and the generalized Wammy partisans.
  • Fafner in the Azure: Dead Aggressor had this, since the "good" guys were so unlikable, the writers noticed this and took steps to fix this.
  • Gundam has a truly massive amount of Rooting for the Empire, spread across its multiple series. This is a result of the series' antiwar message making sure that the villains are never completely evil and have realistic motivations.
    • Look no further than the Principality of Zeon from the original Universal Century timeline. In fairness, the franchise does do its best to show that War Is Hell, there IS no "right" and "wrong" side and has introduced sympathetic Zeons like Bernard Wiseman and Aina Sahalin. However, later writers seem to have missed or outright ignored Yoshiyuki Tomino's very deliberate parallels between Zeon and Nazi Germany, including their leader being PROUD to be compared to Adolf Hitler by his own father. While Tomino did feature some sympathetic Zeons in his stories, the "Zeon as La Résistance" attitude didn't really hit its stride until the productions that didn't involve him, in particular Gundam 0083, where the Zeon remnants do style themselves as La Résistance even as they try (once more) to drop a colony on Earth, and the soldier who was inspired to defect after being hated and abused by her fellows is treated as the lowest of scum. In fact, as of stories like MS IGLOO and Gundam Unicorn, being a fan of the Federation is pretty well treated as Rooting for the Empire.
      • The memetic "Zeon: Swell Guys" rant, originally posted to 4chan, does its best to shatter the idea of Zeon heroism by pointing out the bare facts of the One Year War. In particular, Zeon started the supposed war for independence by flinging nuclear warheads around recklessly, using Deadly Gas to kill an entire colony of people (you know, the ones they said they were protecting?), and then trying to Colony Drop it onto the Federation's headquarters. After the colony missed and wiped Sydney, Australia off the map (literally), Zeon was fully prepared to try again, only for the Federation to call for a treaty banning the use of NBC weapons...a treaty which Zeon violates in every way over the course of the war.
      • Not only did the Zeeks violate the Antarctic Treaty whenever they wanted, but they loved to make it sound as if they upheld it to the end of the war while the "Big Bad Federation" was the one stepping all over it. This was invoked in 0083, in which Delaz made a rousing war declaration that condemned the Federation for creating a nuclear armed Gundam, which as far as he was concerned violated the Antarctic Treaty. Side materials would try to temper this by claiming the Antarctic Treaty was long null and void after the One Year Warnote , but other than that, no one ever brings up the Zeeks' actions at Odessa and Side 6 in contention to Delaz's claim.
      • Unicorn contains a debatable Lampshade Hanging on the entire concept; Banagher ends up visiting a space colony full of Zeon loyalists who whole-heartedly believe the "Zeon heroes, Feddies evil" idea...completely ignoring that the vast majority of them live in abject squalor so a tiny number of elites can live like kings. This is especially ironic since Unicorn's author, Harutoshi Fukui, has written more than a few novels which Root for Imperial Japan, a fact which made many Gundam fans nervous when Fukui's name was first attached to Unicorn.
      • In the case of Zeon and its myriad offshoots, it doesn't help that many of their grievances and (questionable) justifications are based on some in-verse context. Even if they didn't resort to such villainous deeds, one can't help but feel sympathetic.
    • The Titans of the Zeta Gundam era, while nowhere near as popular as the Zeon, and made even worse, also have their fair share of fans. Reflecting this is a number of sidestory manga starring various subfactions that can be described as "Titans, but totally not evil like those other ones". It doesn't help that the real goal of the Titans according to side materials is to engineer a social collapse through the Gryps conflict that will destroy The Federation and force a mass exodus to the colonies with the Titans in charge.
    • Gundam Wing plays around with this, primarily because individual people matter more than factions. So while OZ might have both good people (like Zechs and Treize) and bad people (like Dermail and Tsubarov), the organization itself is only "bad" because it opposes the Gundam Pilots. In fact, at one point, Relena Peacecraft becomes the head of OZ, making it an erstwhile ally to the G-Team. Likewise, though the Gundam Pilots are the main characters and are supposed to be good guys, they commit morally questionable acts and the series actually discusses if they were needed in the first place.
    • In Gundam SEED (and especially its sequel), even trying to decide which faction counts as "the empire" for the purposes of this trope can spark Flame Wars. Suffice to say that all sides have their fans, despite the copious amounts of bastardry and/or stupidity displayed by everyone. Many viewers became fans of the Earth Alliance specifically in protest of the fact that the entire faction was portrayed as Card Carrying Villains (in Destiny anyway; they're more morally grey in SEED proper), as part of the general "screw you" attitude many have adopted towards the show's director Mitsuo Fukuda and head writer Chiaki Morosawa (who are husband and wife). And lets not even get into the political minefield when fans bring up that the factions were supposed to represent certain Real Life nations. It made what already inspired a lot of bad blood into something much worse.
      • Many viewers also ended also rooting for the Earth Alliance due to the fact prior to see much if being portrayed as far more villainous, many of its characters did come off sympathetic and how ZAFT repeatedly slaughtered anybody without Character Shields for the first half of the series.
    • Season 1 of Gundam 00 (though the second season not so much). It doesn't help that the main characters are Well Intentioned Extremists whose plan appears to boil down to "kill everyone on both sides of any fight that starts with our uberly superior Gundams", while most of their enemies are sympathetic soldiers fighting to protect their countries as best as they can even with vastly inferior mechs, sometimes almost succeeding through careful planning, as Sergei and Kati demonstrate.
      • If anything, Season 2 suffers from this trope more so. Not so much because the A-Laws and Innovades are sympathetic villains (they're not), but because, in similar manner to Kira Yamato and Lacus Clyne during Destiny, Celestial Being was presented as an almost messianic La Résistance group that was always right in their cause; even the wanton acts they committed in Season 1 were all but completely forgottennote  (in spite of the fact Celestial Being's interventions were the reason behind the ESF and the A-Laws coming into existence) in the interest of their defeating the bad guys. Setsuna's transformation into an Innovator helped even less, as it literally gave him cosmic superpowers (ones that made the psychedelic Newtype stuff from the Universal Century look tame) and a full on messiah complex that even Kira can't compare to (such that even supporting characters compare Setsuna to a savior at times). Combine that with the usual Anvilicious writing that plagues any and all Gundam series at the end of their respective runs, and you can see why certain viewers were rooting for whoever was fighting CB at the time.
    • Once Episode 15 of Gundam Age aired, the number of fans who are cheering for the Unknown Enemy, the Vagan, has grown exponentially. It's easy to sympathize with them as the Earth Federation left the colonists on Mars for dead, causing the said colonists to form their own nation to rival the Earth Federation.
    • It seems no matter the series, Gundam fans have short memories when it comes to the villains. Be it Zeon warring and mass murdering for "independence" when they had already achieved independence under Zeon Zum Deikun, Char dropping asteroids on Earth in the hope of creating a nuclear winter, Treize killing off the UESA leadership as they were about to negotiate a settlement with the colonies (while OZ then proceeded to wipe out the Alliance remnants before becoming the Schutzstaffel to Romfeller's Nazi Party), the Earth Alliance and ZAFT performing heinous acts, or more recently the Vagan practicing all the same genocidal acts as Zeon before them, such details are easily forgotten by the fandom at large (if not outright ignored) so long as The Empire they're rooting for is "cool" enough. But then that's what this trope is all about, isn't it?
  • Haruhi Suzumiya seems to have rubbed some fans the wrong way — there are quite a few of them who want the Computer Club President (who was the victim of Blackmail or the Anti-SOS Brigade to succeed.
  • Hellsing started to have this in its later volumes where some readers would root for characters fighting against Alucard due to how he repeatedly invincible for the entire series.
  • Given the displays of epic incompetence from the humans (namely, Meleagros and Atalantes), cheering for the Silver Tribe in Heroic Age is not hard as it seems.
  • Legend of Galactic Heroes is the textbook definition of this trope. Even Yang Wen-li, the military leader for the democratic government fighting the Empire, has a mancrush on Reinhard von Lohengramm, the leader of the monarchic Galactic Empire. Yang Wen-li and another wise military leader on the democratic side muse casually about how they would fight for Reinhard without a second thought if they were born in the Empire and seem to fight on behalf of a corrupt democracy with a resigned "what else can we do?" attitude. This show is also the textbook definition of Grey and Gray Morality so Reinhard isn't exactly bad...
  • Mazinger Z: Dr. Hell is a Large Ham who wanted to Take Over the World to force the whole humankind to bow down to him, but some fans know about his Backstory tend to see him like The Woobie (or a Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds) and actually feel sympathetic towards him, thinking it was unfair he worked so hard, scheming complex plans and strategies and crafting incredible scientific breakthroughs only to be defeated, crushed and humiliated over and over and over by a loud-mouthed, Jerkass Idiot Hero teenager with a cool Humongous Mecha. And in Mazinkaiser, it turns out one of the major reasons he wanted to rule humanity was to unite it against the rising menace of the Mykene Empire.
  • In Medaka Box, Big Bad Kumagawa, to the point where even the characters in story want him to beat Medaka. He has also won every popularity poll since he made his debut.
  • There are quite a few readers who root for the Akatsuki (and the now-evil Sasuke) in Naruto. It doesn't help that the main character himself is taking his Messiah traits straight into Too Dumb to Live territory. Though Naruto's gotten better, said fans still take Obito, Sasuke, or Madara over him
    • The fans who hate Konoha and want to see it destroyed because of the Uchiha massacre being given the go-ahead. While Konoha isn't the worst of the hidden villages when it comes to atrocities - especially given what Sunagakure did to Gaara - it's certainly not faultless either.
      • And all the evidence points to the Uchiha not only bringing it upon themselves, but actually turning down the peace attempts that Hiruzen tried. Especially with their 'It's All About Me' attitude.
  • Pokémon has this in effect for the Team Rocket Trio Jessie, James, and Meowth. While they can succeed in some of their efforts, they are always defeated by Ash and Co. Ash has so much Plot Armor that you can expect him to win anything that's not a major tournament, and you know that he never loses to Team Rocket unless the plot demands it (just remember, waaaaay back in the third episode, James' incredulous "Beaten by a Caterpie?!"). Even then it's usually by trickery rather than a battle. This goes on for so long, with even their most brilliant schemes failing, that you want them to win at least once. Just see them steal someone's Pokemon and get away with it to prove that they are still a threat. You just can't help but get mad sometimes when Team Rocket should have gotten away, but don't because The Good Guys Always Win.
    • They have taken a level in the new Best Wishes series, and are even promoted. Jessie, James, and Meowth are able to pull off museum heists and sneak a train out of a highly monitored subway system with little trouble, but despite this Ash still beats them when it comes down to the wire. This can leave a bad taste after watching them spend 20 episodes preparing for one big event.
    • They still haven't learned yet that Pokeworld's karma hates people who use anything but a Pokeball to catch Pokemon. That keeps biting them in the ass like a rabid Mightyena. Funnily enough though, James often gets his Pokemon (like Cacnea and Yamask) by being nice to them, which is usually Ash's shtick.
  • Many fans of the The Prince of Tennis merrily bash the Seishun Gakuen aka Seigaku regulars as overpowered Gary Stus. Specially if they're fans of either Rikkaidai or Hyoutei, which are entire teams of Ensemble Darkhorses that border on Draco in Leather Pants.
  • Puella Magi Madoka Magica The Movie: Rebellion: It's hard not to side with Akuma Homura, since she won Madoka, brought everyone back to life, and gained full control of Incubator infrastructure.
  • Record of Lodoss War has some divergences between the OVA, novels and other series but the basic plot stays the same. While at first it might look like your regular band of good guys fighting against an evil empire called Marmo who has set out to conquer all of the continent of Lodoss, it quickly shows to be much deeper. The entire land is cursed from having been the seat of the climatic battle between the Goddess of Creation and the Goddess of Destruction, and a small part of it, Marmo, is twice accursed and plagued with monsters from being the latter Godess's final resting place. Sure, the side looks stereotypically evil, being populated with a few humans and dark elves, with hordes of monsters under it's control. But their king, Beld, was a mercenary from Marmo and one of the legendary heroes who saved Lodoss by defeating the Demon King years prior. Beld claimed the demon's sword, Soulcrusher, as his reward only to be slowly influenced by its dark whisperings. His general, Lord Ashram, despite being introduced as a deadly and cold-hearted killer, proves to be a man of unfailing duty and loyalty to his king, with honor and a heart. Amidst prophecies of doom, attempted resurrections of dormant forces of destruction and a powerful witch who manipulates all factions behind the scenes out of the certitude that any side winning would upset the balance of Lodoss and cause it's doom, we get to realize that things are not so black and white. In the end, internal factions with hidden agendas and manipulative betrayers aside, the people of the Empire of Marmo really just want to get out of the terrible hell-hole that is their land and finally live in peace and safety.
  • In season 3 of Shakugan no Shana, many fans started supporting the Crimson Denizens instead of the Flame Hazes once war broke out between the two. Considering that the recently released final light novel reveals that Snake of the Festival Yuji and his Crimson Denizen followers not only win, but were absolutely right in believing that their dream of a paradise where Denizens and humans coexist could work and would not destroy the world, this is one of those occasions where Rooting for the Empire is supported by canon.
  • Space Battleship Yamato 2199 dips into this territory, showing the Gamilas fleet battling against the Comet Empire (the Big Bads of the original series' second season), and the revelation that Earth fired first in an unprovoked attack. On the other hand, it also shows some total bastards on the Gamilas side, with one episode showing the bombardment of a rebellious planet and the strafing of refugees fleeing population centers.
  • The anime version of Valkyria Chronicles really makes many of the Imperial characters more likable than the Gallian High Command (i.e. anyone above Varrot save for Cordelia). True, this was present in the game, but the Adaptation Expansion of Selvaria (already a likable Anti-Villain), Jaeger (an even more likable Anti-Villain), and Gregor (still as much of an asshole as ever, but compared to his Gallian counterpart [Damon] he's actually seen as far more competent and more genuinely deserving of respect by comparison), the Imperials look far better in terms of characterization than the Gallian Regulars, who, much like the game counterparts, treat the real heroes (Welkin Gunther and Squad 7) like crap.
  • Yatterman is better known for the three main villains than it is for the main heroes. In many ways the villains were the more focused part of the show.

    Comic Books 
  • It's easy to root for the Dark Egg Legion in Archie Comics' Sonic the Hedgehog. They do take orders from Eggman, but they aren't completely evil, and most of their members seem to be regular Mobians, bar the cybernetics. Given that the heroes are headed by Sonic, who can be a bit of a jerkass, and the Kingdom of Acorn, an incredibly ineffectual monarchy that can barely function, it's no wonder. And they're the only group in the world who don't actively despise technology. A great example is the Great Desert DEL. They were turned into mindless Robian mooks thanks to Unwilling Roboticisation and forced to fight the Sand Blasters, an extremist group of Freedom Fighters. After being turned back into Mobians, they tried to make peace with the Sand Blasters, but where instead hit with Fantastic Racism for being former Robians. In order to survive, they went to Eggman for help, who legionized them. When The Baron, leader of the Great Desert DEL, was confronted about this by his niece, hero Bunnie Rabbot D'Coolette, he responded that being in the DEL isn't so bad. Being legionized means cybernetic upgrades, which in turn make for an awesome health plan, as The Baron pointed out, when he thanked legionization for fixing his "bum knee". He also mentioned something about D'Coolette's being oppressors, which insinuates Fantastic Racism within the Kingdom, making them look even worse.
  • Doctor Doom has gotten this in a big way, and partly due to his Memetic Badass status in the fandom, and neither one is all that unjustified; Doom usually is that badass, and Reed Richards has a notorious history of being a total prick rather frequently. Warren Ellis gave Marvel 2099 a grand send-off by letting Doom take over the USA. It worked... right up until the politicians broke out the WMDs they had previously been too scared to use.
    • Ellis points out that the basis of Doom's megalomania is that he truly believes that the world would be better off under his rule so he could protect and provide for it with the fruits of his genius without interference. And in canon Marvel, Doom has turned Latveria into a Gothic Dubai while Reed Richards Is Useless.
  • Fables does a pretty decent job of openly asking whether those in Fabletown should have been rooting for the empire; Gepetto committed horrifying atrocities but ruled an empire where most inhabitants lived in peace and also imprisoned a lot of frightfully powerful evil beings that as of the fall of his reign have begun to escape. On the other hand, it seems pretty clear that us mundy's would definitely be getting the short end of the genocidal stick if Gepetto had taken over our world.
  • Cobra from G.I. Joe and to a lesser extent Hydra from Marvel Comics. Both present modern society as corrupt and self-serving and should be fought against. They do make good points (just turn on CNN) except both organizations are much, much worse. Join or die was Cobra SOP at one point.
    • This is perhaps only averted when it comes to Snake-Eyes.
  • Sinestro in Green Lantern has been getting some attention in this manner recently, mainly due to him being a very charismatic villain and his arguments against the Guardians being too involved with their mysteries and prophecies to do an effective job policing the cosmos.
  • Grant Morrison once discussed how it's easy to do this for Lex Luthor in an interview:
    "It's essential to find yourself rooting for Lex, at least a little bit, when he goes up against a man-god armed only with his bloody-minded arrogance and cleverness."
  • Magneto is prone to this also, given his genuine concern for the future of mutanity and his experiences in Auschwitz; when written well, you almost want the X-Men to lose, if only just this once. Except in the Ultimate Universe. It doesn't take long to wish for the bastard's head on a pike.
    • Not to mention how often they show how humanity treats mutants absolutely horribly.
  • Star Wars: Legacy plays with this, due to its Black and Gray Morality. For the most part the two main Big Bads, the Sith and The Empire have made major reforms. The Sith, while still quite evil, have abandoned many of their old ways in favor of working together as one (one even saves another's life after spending the whole issue arguing, because "We are Sith"), plus they have Evil Is Sexy on their side. While The Empire is now a force of good in the Galaxy and most of its anti-nonhuman ways are behind them. The Republic has been reduced to a handful of planets and ships whose only act in the comics have been a stealing a Sith Super Prototype which the Empire had already rigged with bombs so it would look like a malfunction causing the Sith to blame the Mon Calamari (who aided the Republic) and declare war (and by war, meaning genocide). The Jedi, while still good, are back to being a Hidden Elf Village to a point where they refused to aid the Mon Calamari. The main character, last of the Skywalkers, is a total Jerkass just looking out for himself (and abusing his powers) as a result of being sick of all the But Thou Must his family (as Force ghosts) and fellow Jedi have been ramming down his throat.
  • The Exile of Super Dinosaur has a sympathetic backstory, and though he does intend to conquer the world, it is to save his people from his brothers tyranny and forced isolation, rather than a lust for power. Then you get the obnoxious Kid Hero not only rubbing out his shot at liberating his people, but smugly taunting him about it.
  • In Superior Spider-Man, quite a lot of fans are starting to root for any supervillain who's against Spider-Man ( aka. Doctor Octopus in Spider-Man's body, which he has stolen) due to his increasingly amoral behavior. At first this was just the fans, but as the comic continues it seems to be intentional. Helped by the fact that most of said supervillains are of the Ineffectual Sympathetic Villain variety or are really cool. This has ultimately boiled down to watching the Goblin King and his army tearing down everything Otto had built up.
  • The Marvel event World War Hulk had most readers rooting for the Hulk, mainly because of all the crap the Illuminati put him through. It even happened in the story with many bystanders siding with the Hulk.
    • Another major factor was the events of Civil War. It's hard to root for the heroes when they've forced all superhumans to work solely for the government, enslaving, imprisoning, and killing everyone who disobeys. It even leaked into Secret Invasion, with some readers hoping that the Skrulls would manage to conquer Earth and enslave the muggle population to teach them a thing or two about freedom.
      • While the Skrulls didn't win, this led to Dark Reign with Norman Osborn as head cop. Much like the above example, some fans also rooted for Osborn and his Dark Avengers. Dark Avengers was even Marvel's top selling book month after month during its run.
      • More generally, the Marvel Universe has a subtle twist on this. While fans may sympathize with the heroes and still want to see them succeed, the All of the Other Reindeer way the ordinary citizens of the Marvel Universe treat their heroes has rubbed so many readers the wrong way that they almost want to see the Ungrateful Bastards get killed by the villains for being such dicks to the people who keep risking their lives for them.
      • One issue features Cyclops, possessed by the Phoenix and in the process of going quite mad, giving a little "Why do we even bother saving these people?" speech. The intent of the scene was to show his slowly-deteriorating mental state, but numerous fans found themselves nodding along with him.
      • The situation with Marvel Universe civilians was lampshaded by the Avengers during a DC/Marvel JLA/Avengers crossover when the Avengers, finding themselves in Metropolis, stop a crime and are mobbed by people wanting their autographs, cheering, and thanking them. They are stunned when this happens and can't believe ordinary people would treat superheroes as, well, heroes and are suspicious that the JLA are overlords and the people are Rooting for Their Empire out of fear.

    Fanfiction 
  • The Conversion Bureau: Even though the Human Liberation Front are often depicted as terrorists, the fact that the deck is so stacked against them and the blatant Moral Myopia of the ponies makes the HLF easy to sympathise with.
  • Dungeon Keeper Ami: An interesting, and aversion case for Mercury. Nearly all the forces of good fear and hate the Dark Empress, who is actually an outside context hero with phenomenally poor public relations. However, Keeper Mukrezar, her foil, plays this trope very straight.
  • A major part of the Firebird Trilogy of Harry Potter stories. This heavy AU world features two antagonists; Voldemort and the Sabbat. Voldemort, who is worse than he is in canon (Prone to messing with Harry's head with images of possible, happy homes he could have had, turning Cedric into a human bomb, being an immense He-Man Woman Hater) has a ton of fans who want Harry to join him. This is less because he is a nice guy and more because the other bad guys, the Sabbat, are far, far worse, and actually ended up creating Voldemort.
  • My Little Unicorn: The story is meant as a revenge fic against My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic, centring around ponies in another dimension and/or in space, fighting off an evil sorcerer without The Power of Friendship and therefore being superior to the cast of the original show. Many readers actually wished to see the bad guy win, just so that the main characters (consisting out of one dimensional Mary Sues) get their asses kicked.
  • The natural consequence of most Mary Sue stories (with the obvious exception of Villain Sue) is this trope. Even if the bad guy eats babies, readers tend to root for them out of sheer spite - and if they don't eat babies, hoo boy...

    Eastern Animation 
  • In the North Korean propaganda-fest that is Squirrel and Hedgehog (although the animation was done by a foreign company, probably Chinese), the creators went a little too far in making the Americans (as Savage Wolves no less) badass. Just... take a look. A YouTube commenter summed it up pretty well:
    Protip: When attempting to make effective propaganda, having your arch enemy appear as a badass wolf with glowing eyes, sinister voice and his own laser techno-plane while having your troops look like effeminate squirrels and ducks that constantly cry is not a good idea. Hey, did those wolves just fire laser machineguns?! AWESOME.

    Films — Animated 
  • Many FernGully watchers sympathize with Hexxus, who for the record is the incarnation of pollution in a heavily Anvilicious cartoon about how life is precious and pollution evil. That's what you get for casting Tim Curry as your main villain and utterly forgettable main characters otherwise (save for comic relief Batty).
  • A few viewers of Disney's The Little Mermaid found the sly, manipulative Ursula a lot more likable than the naive, impulsive protagonist Ariel, and were rooting for her to actually win the deal and conquer Atlantica.
  • Likewise, many viewers of A Troll in Central Park find the antagonists, Queen Gnorga and Llort, far more likable than the largely cloying protagonists Stanley, Gus and Rosie, thanks in part to how hammy and over the top their acting is.

    Films — Live-Action 
  • Many of the characters in Alienł were rapists, murderers or generic criminal scum. They were so unlovable that you just didn't care if they lived or died, especially as waves of pre-release criticism meant everyone knew the series was past the point of no return anyway (in the Assembly Cut, an inmate named Junior attempts to rape Ripley with a group of other prisoners, then looks at her sympathetically later when the eponymous creature corners him). It was hard not to whisper "Come on, get 'im!" or "Go on, eat your dinner!" whenever the alien cornered an inmate.
  • Avatar, due to its Anvilicious use of Humans Are the Real Monsters and Can't Argue with Elves (and the Na'Vi aren't exactly hospitable themselves) gets a lot of backlash against the Na'vi. Especially concerning Colonel Quaritch; see the Colonel Badass page.
    • James Cameron's original script revealed that Earth is dying, the Unobtanium is actually needed to fuel Starships so humanity can potentially look for a new home and that the reason they came to Pandora in the first place was to use its abundant plantlife to try to find a way to restore Earth's failing biosphere.
  • Those unfortunate enough to watch Bio-Dome cheered when the scientists decided to lock Pauly Shore and Stephen Baldwin's characters inside the Bio-Dome to die.
  • The Batman films have all gone through this to varying degrees:
  • In Ferris Buellers Day Off, the principal is only trying to prove to the world that Ferris is a truant, pathological liar who neither deserves the endless praise he gets nor should be allowed to skip school whenever he feels like it. Even though the principal goes a bit too far in trying to prove the truth about Bueller, it is easy to sympathize with the man's desire to finally bring a Karma Houdini down.
    • For many, this is not so much rooting for the principal (who is kind of a jerk) as rooting against Ferris (who is just as much of a jerk, and annoyingly smug to boot).
  • Happens with G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra as a result of part Baroness in Tight Asshugging Leather Pants, part dislike of the comparatively flat characters of the Joes.
  • Godzilla in the film GMK was made into a demonic, malevolent force fighting against the "good monsters" Baragon, Mothra, and King Ghidorah. Guess who the fans were cheering for the most. Perhaps justified in that this was the first and only instance of a genuinely evil Godzilla, and he hadn't exactly done anything other, more neutral incarnations hadn't.
    • It also didn't help that of the three "Good" monsters, two of them were the villains in their previous appearances. Even when Godzilla is evil, cheering him on against King Ghidorah is instinct.
    • Be honest, people will always root for Godzilla regardless of what side he's one.
  • Green Lantern, where the hero is a lazy, irresponsible, egotistical jerkass, and the villain, a smart, responsible, shy man who's been bullied by his father his entire life. Things get ridiculous when you take into account that the hero becomes more responsible and down-to-earth while the villain goes Ax-Crazy and and murders his own father.
    • In both cases, jumpstarted by alien influences beyond their control! Had their places been swapped...
  • Sometimes happens with the shark in Jaws. Mostly due to Rule of Cool - and also the shark being on its own against three infinitely more intelligent human protagonists, which just doesn't seem fair.
  • Man of Steel: Some found Zod to be a much more sympathetic and developed character than Superman himself despite his crossings into the Moral Event Horizon. This could be attributed to Michael Shannon's emotional portrayal of him, showing how dedicated he is to follow his fate as Krypton's top warrior. Especially his justification for his actions- he was literally born to be a warrior and protect Krypton and its citizens, no matter what. His Villainous Breakdown towards the end, where he claims that Superman has taken his soul by destroying any hope of rebuilding Krypton, definitely helped cement this.
  • A literal case: Roland Emmerich's The Patriot went out of its way to make the British look like smug, elitist borderline Nazis, but eventually crossed a point where one couldn't take their evil deeds seriously anymore, and all that was left was a fairly competent army with effeminate accents, English elegance and smart red uniforms, led by Lucius Malfoy In Riding Pants, duking it out with a Ragtag Bunch Of ideologically confused guerillas led by Mel Gibson. The scenes of the British marching onto the battlefield under the tune of The British Grenadiers has been the subject of dozens of Youtube tribute videos.
  • Pirates of the Caribbean: Given that they're in the title and all the focus is on them, the fans can be forgiven for cheering for the pirates and wanting them to win. While granted most of them are Lovable Rogues and very little piracy is actually shown, they are still pirates, who were obviously quite nasty people.
    • There are quite a few people who sympathize with The East India Trading Company. Many of their fans forget that Beckett fighting against pirates wasn't Order Versus Chaos; it was removing the competition, as he did a lot of piracy and murder himself.
    • The film's writers mention they intentionally wrote Captain Barbossa as an Anti-Hero throughout the first movie, given his singular goal is to end the ten-year-long curse that has plagued him and his crew. Throughout the film they wanted to give the audience the impression that despite being the antagonist, he might not actually be a bad guy. This is why Barbossa's scene where he explains the torment of the curse to Elizabeth was constantly being rewritten and added to by both the writers and Geoffrey Rush to get it perfect. It definitely shows. When he shouts to his crew in a later scene that their punishment has been "disproportionate to [their] crime," it's hard to disagree.
  • Psycho—Picture the scene and pretend you don't know the big twist ending. Norman Bates has come across his new tenant, dead in the shower. He realizes his crazy mother has gone over the edge and killed someone. So, poor, devoted Norman gathers up the body, places it in the trunk of the woman's car, and tries to sink the vehicle into the swamp beside his run down motel. The audience collectively cringes every time a car drives by as Norman sneaks around,-and gasps in horror with Norman as the car seems to get stuck half-way in the bog...but no, it slowly sinks completely into the mud. Norman has gotten away with it! And a second later, the audience remembers what Norman has gotten away with: hiding a murder victim to protect his deranged mother's murder. Alfred Hitchcock was truly a master of this- he could easily manipulate his audience into Rooting for the Empire, hoping the villain doesn't get caught ... and turn around and slap them back to their senses.
    • The sequel takes this trope and runs with it, portraying Bates as a man struggling with severe mental illness and genuinely trying to become a better human being.
  • For people who watch Red Dawn (1984) for comedic (or drunk party) purposes, rooting for the reds naturally follows.
    • John Milius did go to some lengths to humanize many of the villains we see, showing a group of young Russian soldiers goofing off and taking pictures together before the Wolverines ambush them and making the Cuban officers outright sympathetic. Meanwhile, the Wolverines find themselves resorting to increasingly cold-blooded measures as the struggle wears them down. When people complain about the strict "good vs. evil" dichotomy of the movie, it usually means they didn't actually watch it.
  • Enforced via marketing with Small Soldiers, a film about a robotic squad of toy soldiers (the Commando Elite) gaining sentience and trying to kill a group of equally sentient robotic toy aliens (the Gorgonites)...along with the human family that's protecting them. Unfortunately for the Gorgonites, the film's marketing focused almost entirely on the Commando Elite and how awesome they are even though they're supposed to be the villains. The real life toy line put more of a focus on the Commando Elite as well. This may be a bit of unintentional Fridge Brilliance, since in the movie, the Commando Elite were created to be the good guys and the Gorgonites were an existing concept repurposed to be the villains, before they switched roles early on.
  • Many fans who watched Stargate Continuum seem to love the idea of Ba'al ruling Earth and secretly wished he'd won, probably because he promised a benevolent governance. It's open for debate how sincere he was. While he certainly didn't want to destroy Earth like all the other Goa'uld, there's a very real possibility he just wanted to covertly take over Earth without having to fight us forever, and he'd make us all slaves in the long run anyway.
  • Starship Troopers. A lot of people were rooting for the Bugs. In the first movie, this might have been the filmmakers' intention, but in the sequels the Federation were supposed to be the good guys (or at least the lesser evil) and audiences still found a bunch of giant cockroaches to be more sympathetic. If you're reading the subtext that the Federation are Villain Protagonists, it becomes Rooting For The Empire regardless of which side you're rooting for.
  • Star Trek: Insurrection: The Federation are considered by many (including some members of the cast) to have had very good reasons for trying to force the Bak'u off the planet to study the anomaly, and they were consistently willing to use non-lethal methods to do so.
  • Despite its writers' Anvilicious attempts to decry militarization and aggression, quite a few people who saw Star Trek: Into Darkness ended up rooting for Alexander Marcus and his goal in militarizing Starfleet for a war against the Klingon Empire. Seemingly, Marcus' only detraction is that he went about it in the manner of a standard General Ripper, to the point that he brought Khan, an infamous genetically engineered warlord that nearly took over the Earth long ago, out of cold storage to utilize as a slave (thinking he could actually control Khan), as well as attempted to purposely start said war with the Klingons (using the oblivious crew of the Enterprise to do so no less, and planning to kill them) as opposed to letting it happen naturally.
    • On the flipside, John Harrison/Khan gets a lot of this due to his sympathetic motivations to save his crew from Marcus. Throw in Benedict Cumberbatch's charismatic performance, stylish threads, booming voice and we've got a full blown example here.
  • Star Wars is the Trope Namer:
    • A poll on Star Wars fansite StarDestroyer.net shows that 70 percent of the participants on that forum think that the Galactic Empire wasn't that bad a place to live (if you were human). This was the reason the added celebration clips were added to the end of Return of the Jedi in the Special Edition, to show the rest of the galaxy was actually happy that Palpatine fell.
    • With Attack of the Clones, Lucas had this happen intentionally: the movie introduces the sympathetic Clonetroopers, who save the Jedi and rout the movie's villains. Then comes the finale, and the movie reminds that the watchers had been rooting for what will become The Empire by giving them the Imperial March as score.
    • In the prequels, many fans and writers agree with the Separatists and side with them over the Republic. What we see if the Republic is blindingly ineffectual and apparently not above using Tyke Bombs and Child Soldiers (14-year old Jedi Padawans leading battalions of 10 year oldnote  clone troopers), leading to Black and Gray Morality at best. The Opening Narration for Revenge of the Sith even states that "there are heroes on both sides."
  • Street Fighter cast Jean-Claude Van Damme as Guile and Raul Julia as M. Bison. The first turns in a bland, carbon-cut performance of the typical action film star. Julia, meanwhile, is a wonderfully hammy and entertaining supervillain who's often credited as what makes the film watchable. Who also died shortly after the film was completed. By the end of the film, you want to see him Take Over the World.
  • Thor: sure, Loki tries to commit genocide - but he's such a Woobie along the way that a lot of people feel sorry for him.
    • It got even more intense when The Avengers rolled around, despite him becoming outright nuts.
  • Lucas Barton in The Wizard definitely qualifies; after all, he can actually pull off using the Power Glove. His picture used to be the image on the film's page here, and Spoony believes he was cheated out of his victory at the end.

    Literature 
  • In Stephen King's The Dark Tower The Good Man, John Farson, while presented to be the bad guy (and actually turns out to be Randal Flagg at one point- and then, in later books, not) is shown to be leading a proletariat rebellion for democracy against the clearly Feudalistic system Roland and the other gunslingers seem to be rooting for. This is partly a side-effect of Farson being The Ghost in the novels, so we don't really learn a whole lot about him. The comic book prequels go out of their way to subvert this and when we finally meet Farson he is power-hungry but happens to be a popular and charismatic leader, and his free and democractic society is really shaping up to be a People's Republic of Tyranny with himself as dictator.
  • Some folks actually wouldn't have minded seeing Dracula actually beat the main characters. The book goes out of it way to make vampirism seem like the worst thing in the world. But outside from never seeing the sun again (well the book never really stated that. Drac actually moved around in the daylight, only with limited powers) and the inhuman hunger for blood, receiving the powers of the night and immortality didn't seem like a bad trade-off. Well, at least for themselves; other people might not be so happy with the "being drained of blood" thing.
  • Many people find that Magnificent Bitch Senna Wales of Everworld is more entertaining a character than the heroes.
  • Many fans of the book Fallen wanted Cam to win and hated main characters Daniel and Luce.
  • Gone: Sociopath Big Bad Caine, Manipulative Bitch Diana and Ax-Crazy sadist Drake all have legions of fans. Hardly anyone likes Sam, The Hero.
  • Hannibal Lecter of the books just wants to stop the plague of cruel assholes ruining things for everyone. Commendable, except for his methods (and the innocent folks who are maimed or die simply for getting in his way).
  • Harry Potter: A lot of fans bash the main characters, and Gryffindor House in general, because of the author's prejudice against Slytherin House, who they view as cultured and urbane in comparison to the crude, bullying Gryffindor jocks. In a slightly different perspective, they recognize most of Slytherin is evil, but criticize the author for making them so, especially considering their defining trait is "ambition", which any normal eleven-year-old would have oodles of ("I wanna be a ninja/astronaut/actor/doctor/lawyer!"). So, to rebel, they generally ignore the fact that Slytherin sucks, and reinterpret them in the fandom to make a more realistic picture of cunning and ambition.
    • In an interview on Mugglenet Rowling defended Slytherin and said "they are literally not all bad [people]". The problem is that they are never shown in the actual books to be anything other than Jerk Asses and Voldemort supporters, which might indicate Rowling has some Rooting For The Empire of her own.
    • Individually, fans started to dislike Harry's irritable nature more and more after Order of the Phoenix. This contributed to increased favouritism of Draco, which JK Rowling admitted to disliking; she was a bit disturbed that people didn't like the hero and preferred Draco. She even admitted to punishing/exaggerating Draco and the Slytherins where she could to counteract it (which naturally just increased resentment that led some readers to prefer the villains in the first place).
    • Some people just genuinely wanted the Death Eaters to win the war. Perhaps because they deemed the dark characters to be more interesting, or because the ideology seemed rational, or because they might believe the whole series had an annoyingly Black and White Morality and was a tad too Anvilicious. Or simply because Evil Is Cool.
    • Dumbledore starts out as Harry's kind, grandfatherly, somewhat cooky mentor, but in the later books, more things about his past and his agenda regarding Harry and the war are revealed, which leaves him more in the Manipulative Bastard category. This has left a lot of fans in the somewhat awkward position of liking Harry just fine and rooting for him, while simultaneously greatly preferring Voldemort over Dumbledore.
  • Played with in Honor Harrington. The Kingdom becomes The Empire, but are really now The Federation with feudal trappings. The Republic of Haven goes the entire gamut though, from The Empire by any other name to People's Republic of Tyranny under a Reign of Terror to the Restored Republic, giving viewpoint characters to root for and against the entire time. Noticeable in that few civil foes in Manticore get a full viewpoint, while all Haven viewpoint characters, no matter where on the moral line, are given a full viewpoint including motivations.
    • This may have been intentional, as Haven has undergone a slow Heel-Face Turn for some time now. Now that Haven and Manticore have allied against Mesa, Haven are officially the good guys, and rooting for them is expected.
    • This is also partly due to the authors particular writing style. As a professional military historian he is always careful to portray the tragedy of the war by humanizing both sides, which leads to over all Grey and Gray Morality and sympathetic enemies. When portraying the domestic politics of Manticore, however, he tends to write it as full of straw men for his main character to beat up, causing the Star Kingdom to come off as less sympathetic than the balanced and nuanced Peoples Republic. This only really starts to change around book ten, when readers are introduced to Catherine Montaigne (the first good Liberal we've ever met) and Michael Oversteegen (the first good Conservative we've ever met). From that point on, both parties, which are in opposition to the heroine's Centrist party (and the Crown Royalists, who are basically Centrists because the Queen is), become much more well-rounded, and the heroine herself is able to recognize and respect the validity of many of their points while still disagreeing with them on certain matters.
      • Another facet to the "humanizing both sides" issue is that the enemy forces, the People's Navy, are almost entirely Punch Clock Villains who are stated repeatedly to have much worse technology and much worse training than the Royal Manticorn Navy. While the People's Navy is stated to have a numerical advantage, it almost never matters. In fact, we don't see the PN score a single victory until In Enemy Hands, seven books in. After a while, it becomes hard not to sympathize with the officers using every ounce of intelligence and courage to keep their people alive and fight back against the overwhelming power of Manticore, even as Manticore has no choice but to go for decisive victories because of their numerical inferiority.
      • The Hatedom has a slight tendency to do this with the Solarian League, partly as a counter-reaction to the League's somewhat inconsistent characterization as either a very loose confederation or a nigh-totalitarian bureaucratic empire, and partly as a result just plain finding Manticore's constant development of new warfare-toys that revolutionizes warfare annoying by that point in the series.
  • The Hunger Games fandom has no shortage of fans who prefer the Career tributes to Katniss and Peeta, finding them equally sympathetic (or even moreso), considering that they have been brainwashed and bred since birth to kill other kids in a horrific child murder reality show.
  • In the Hush, Hush series, the archangels are written as being extremely unfair, because they threaten to throw Patch into Hell if he pursues a relationship with Nora. The trouble is, Patch is written as an arrogant idiot who spends his days gambling and groping Nora, not showing the slightest inclination to actually do his job. As a result, the archangels come across as trying to get Patch to shoulder some responsibility. Add in the fact that Patch spent almost all of the first book stalking and assaulting Nora and the idea of him facing serious punishment sounds rather nice.
  • Incredibly common in the Inheritance Cycle. It doesn't help that the book concedes that most of the people living in The Empire are happy and at peace, giving the impression that if the Varden would just stop fighting everyone would be fine. And though the emperor is a douche, his evil actions all seem to be about fighting the Varden so, again, his rule would probably be much less tyrannical if the Varden didn't keep going at him. It doesn't help matters that the main character is widely considered to be a Designated Hero with a lot of Kick the Dog moments.
  • Many readers of the Left Behind series see the heroes as complete jerkasses, God as a psychopath and Nicolae as, at worst, a Ineffectual Sympathetic Villain.
  • Alternate interpretations of The Lord of the Rings have it as a highly biased account given by the real bad guys: the exiled Gondor and Elvish aristocracy, Spartanesque Rohan and Hobbit mercenaries who destroyed the egalitarian revolutionary Sauron who united the oppressed peoples of Middle-earth.
  • In the Mortal Instruments series, the designated heroes, the Shadowhunters, are descended from the angel Raziel—and pretty damn proud of it. They see themselves as above the very people they're supposed to protect: Downworlders (your werewolves, faeries, vampires, and such) and humans, otherwise known to Shadowhunters as Mundanes (or Mundies, if you want to get really ugly). Honestly, with this sort of Fantastic Racism, you'd probably get more love and respect from a demon disemboweling you and dragging your soul straight to Hell; at least demons are supposed to be cruel. To be fair, the Shadowhunters are called out on this all the time by everyone who isn't a Shadowhunter. The moral of the first 3 books is that the Downworlders aren't inherently evil and the Shadowhunters aren't inherently good and that they could save a lot more lives if they got over their differences and helped each other. Indeed, City of Glass ends with the Downworlders agreeing to help the Shadowhunters defeat Valentine in return for the Downworlders getting representation in the Shadowhunter's council.
  • Satan from Milton's Paradise Lost. That portrayal is the biggest reason why Satan Is Good exists in Western media. A case of Misaimed Fandom as Milton was just trying to make Satan a self-centred Jerk Ass with charming but hollow self-justifications for his behaviour, which really stemmed from him being an egotistical bastard too proud to accept how badly he screwed himself over.
    • Part of it is that he never gave any reason that defying the wishes of God is bad, assuming his audience would give Him an Omniscient Morality License. The closest he comes is that He is simply unbeatable so rebellion is a waste of time, even though more angels than not joined the rebels.
  • Looking at the Star Wars Expanded Universe, despite the various books that portray the Empire as fundamentally evil, there are also books that show that not all of its members are pure evil. Timothy Zahn is the most notable of the authors who do this; Grand Admiral Thrawn, while he is decidedly not a good person, is still portrayed as somewhat better than his predecessors (which is not that great an accomplishment), and there are fans who think the galaxy might have been better off with him alive. In the Hand of Thrawn duology, the Supreme Commander was reluctantly seeking peace with the New Republic, and by that point Pellaeon really couldn't be called one of the bad guys. Eventually, he became more or less completely Lawful Good, leading his Imperial Remnant into the Galactic Alliance, the government that succeeded the New Republic after the Yuuzhan Vong killed it. He even became supreme commander of their fleet. Which itself eventually became evil and a copy, more or less, of Palpatine's Empire, though Pellaeon actually realized this before it was too late, but a bridge fell on him before he could do anything about it (not that he didn't try).
    • Not helped by the constant use of the Democracy Is Bad trope with regards to the New Republic/Galactic Alliance. The elected government is frequently depicted as Lawful Stupid and/or Obstructive Bureaucrat types. This escalates throughout the book series until they inexplicably appoint (not elect) a rogue ex-Imperial admiral that once staged a series of military attacks against the New Republic as their Chief of State.
  • In his Sword of Truth book series, Terry Goodkind tries to avert this by making villains as repulsively evil as possible so that the Designated Heroes' tendency to Shoot the Dog doesn't make the audience turn on him. On the one hand, it means that the villains have all the odious habits that the heroes do, including the self-righteousness, and with extra rape (the only crime the heroes are not at some point guilty of) piled on top, but on the other hand, the heroes are the ones whose Kick the Dog moments we always get to see up close, while the villains' are usually just reported from afar.
  • Twilight features the three tracker vampires who are trying to kill Bella, which is seen by some as a sympathetic aim. Never mind the fact that each is an Ensemble Dark Horse in their own right.
    • The books put a lot of emphasis on the Volturi being a power-hungry dictatorship that ruthlessly oppresses the vampire world. The trouble is, the only restriction they apparently put on the vampires is to not be noticed by humans, which is given a reasonable justification (human technology could kill vampires) and very lightly limits the ability for a vampire to kidnap or kill a human. Word of God and the series also show that vampires are more or less animals if left to their own devices, so while their methods may not be lily-white, it makes it difficult to see the Volturi as the dictators the story wants them to be instead of a group of people who are trying to get some sort of order or structure to their world. Meyer tries to make the Volturi corruptness really apparent in Breaking Dawn when it's hammered in that they'll arrive to kill Renesmee and in no way listen to reason...only for them to bring witnesses, reasonably listen to evidence, and leave without killing anyone.
      • Nor does it help that the Cullens are dumb enough to think that allying with some of the Volturi's worst enemies like the remnants of the tyrannical Romanian coven (who think themselves superior to the Volturi because while they were evil, at least they were open about their intentions) and the Egyptian coven (powermongers who originally set themselves up as descended gods) will make the supposedly massively corrupt Volturi more likely to let them plead innocence instead of giving them even more reason to just kill the Cullens on the spot. Or that the Volturi is portrayed as mean for outlawing turning children too young to know why they shouldn't wreck entire villages for no reason into vampires, and making doing so a capital offense. Seems harsh, but these vampire children seemed able to brainwash their "caretakers" into thinking that kind of destruction is fine and doing nothing to rein them in. And as mentioned, becoming a Meyerpire seems to involve giving the id free reign, so severe punishment is the only way to discourage such acts.
  • The Dark Court of Wicked Lovely, while not completely evil, is far more loved than any of the others.

     Live Action TV  
  • As in the Psycho example above Alfred Hitchcock Presents often presented stories in which the bad guy literally gets away with murder. The network made him add outros which indicated Crime Does Not Pay.
  • As mentioned in the film section, one of the things the Batman series was best known for was the large variety of colorful villains. (In fact, some of them won Emmys.) And you couldn't hep but feel sorry for them sometimes, because they lost all the time (within three episodes at the most). Every once in a while, one of them (Catwoman, usually) would pull off a Karma Houdini, but it didn't happen often enough to make it something worth hoping for.
  • A lot people were rooting for the Cylons in the new Battlestar Galactica as many found the human cast to be self-serving, self destructive assholes. While the series had Humans Are the Real Monsters pumping through its veins like blood, any portrayal of the humanoid Cylons themselves hinged on their being Not So Different from the humans (in terms of both bastardry and the potential to rise above their petty natures at times).
  • The Big Bang Theory: Although not exactly a villain, Sheldon is portrayed as a childish, controlling, and demanding Insufferable Genius who can't address others without a tremendous amount of condescension. It doesn't stop many viewers from sympathizing with him when his friends try to call him out on his behavior. Fan speculation that he has autism, Asperger's, or some other related condition generally helps. (Jim Parsons has stated he plays him as suffering from Asperger's, for what it's worth.)
  • Cole in Charmed was treated as an outright villain when he returned in season 5 despite wanting to be good. It was just that Phoebe suddenly decided it was his fault for everything bad that had happened to her, ignoring her own mistakes and refusing to take responsibility for her own actions in the previous season. Many fans felt she treated him unfairly and applauded when he punched her in an alternate reality and when she was killed off briefly in another episode. It didn't help that Phoebe got some really heavy Character Shilling in that season.
  • Criminal Minds appears to know this trope well, as it's always careful to give its Sympathetic Murderers at least one genuinely-evil act to drive home the point that, yes, we should be rooting for them to be caught. Often the character is a revenge killer targeting only Asshole Victims who nevertheless kills someone unrelated to their revenge.
  • This might sometimes happen in some episodes of CSI: Crime Scene Investigation. Even murderers get some sympathy when from their point of view it's either running away or facing a Bolivian Army Ending. And the often brutal manners used by the police don't gain the "good guys" any extra points.
  • In Deadwood, Seth Bullock is supposedly the main character trying to start a new life, but the show tends to focus on the more interesting Al Swearengen.
  • Fatal Lessons: The Good Teacher is an excellent example of even a TV movie managing to get this reaction. Who are the "heroes" of this popular Lifetime Movie of the Week? Four depressingly bland suburban numbskulls. And who is the villain? Smoking-hot babe Erika Eleniak (Shauni McClain from Baywatch). Watch this, and you're virtually guaranteed to want the not-so-good teacher to win. Evil Is Sexy plays a part, but it's not the only reason; after all, everyone likes seeing the gorgeous blonde taken down a few pegs. No, what makes Eleniak's villain such a tempting character to root for is how astoundingly competent she is at everything. Besides being a goddess in human form, she's very Wicked Cultured, a scientific genius (creating poisons in her own private laboratory), a skilled hand-to-hand fighter...and she's even a better athlete on the ski slopes than anyone in the aforementioned suburban family she befriends (and then stalks). And on top of all that, she's an impressive Manipulative Bitch capable of getting you to believe anything. Most tantalizing of all, when she and the Mama Bear of the family finally square off in the end, there's a very good chance that Eleniak will win: she's disconnected the phone, she's tied up and drugged Dad (the only family member physically capable of subduing her), and she's kicking Mom's ass. In the end, she's defeated only by her own carelessness. So close...and you want to see it happen, not because you sympathize with the teacher, but because she's just too cool and fun.
  • Game of Thrones can sometimes inspire this reaction.
    • Robb Stark is portrayed as a typical heroic noble, who is merely seeking justice for the wrongs committed against his family. Which seems fair enough, since between Cersei, Jamie, and Joffrey, the Lannisters were responsible for the deaths of many people whose only crime seemed to be getting in the way of Lannister plots in season one. But when you step back and really think about it, Robb Stark dragged on a war he was unlikely to win, resulting in the deaths of thousands of innocent people. Then the Red Wedding happened. One cannot help but feel sympathetic towards Tywin when he points out that murdering a small number of people brought about an early end to a destructive conflict which would have claimed the lives of many more. Robb even admits in season two that he has no endgame thought out. His plan seems to be simply to kill Joffrey and then presumably leave the south in complete chaos whilst he takes his family back home.
    • In a broader sense, there are some fans who want the series to end with the utter destruction of Westeros at the hands of the Others, either because most of their favorite characters have been killed and the ones who are left are all horribly traumatized or corrupt, leaving no one for them to root for, or just because they see it as the logical conclusion to the story's bleak and pointless nature.
  • Sylar from Heroes earns this for both Draco in Leather Pants, and being less prone to stupidity than the protagonists (not that he's immune to the Idiot Ball, of course). He is also one of the very few characters in the show who actually takes joy in having freaking super powers.
  • While most of its American audience wouldn't be likely to root for Nazis, it could be said that most memorable and funniest characters in Hogan's Heroes were the antagonist German POW camp staff.
  • Quite a few Merlin viewers want the magic users who fight against Camelot to win because they have justifiable reasons, and Arthur while honourable and sympathetic arguably does not measure up to what he's promised to be.
    • Morgana and Morgause are curious examples. Morgana was presented as a good-natured and sometimes heroic character for the first two seasons but made an abrupt Face-Heel Turn between seasons 2 and 3, returning essentially as a pantomime villain without a trace of the original Morgana. As such fans rooted for her because a) they hoped she would eventually be redeemed and b) the writers appeared to have forgotten that she was previously good. Morgause got this because she was just so dang cool. Fans also leapt on the season 2 episode where she tried to kill Uther by putting everyone else in Camelot to sleep. However they also forgot that she had attempted to manipulate Arthur into murdering him in her previous appearance and that she was clearly trying to kill Uther for her own selfish desires rather than the good of the kingdom.
    • Cendred, whom Morgause teams up is depicted some what sympathetically in the series. He seems to be a decent ruler who (unlike Camelot) can muster a huge army and is willing to retreat when it's clear the battle's lost. His relationship with Morgause is sweet and he only loses because of trusting her. Some fans found that they wished he had won.
    • Mordred is another example of this in Series 5. Despite everything he does to try and earn Merlin's trust and prove his loyalty to Camelot, Merlin's distrust and treatment of him based on what he's going to do in the future, eventually ends up becoming a Self Fufilling Prophecy and is part of the reason he's Driven to Villainy. In comparison, Merlin becomes increasingly unsympathetic as a Knight Templar and Well-Intentioned Extremist dedicated to protecting Arthur at any cost, even refusing the chance for magic to return to Camelot to instead try and ensure that Mordred dies.
  • Mystery Science Theater 3000. This ends up happening a lot with the SOL crew during some of the bad films they watch.
    Crow: (watching Angels Revenge) You know, I'm starting to root for the drug dealers.
  • It appears that fans of Once Upon a Time are in agreement that Queen Regina and Rumplestiltskin are the true stars of the show. This may be due to their genuinely sympathetic origins, and that Regina at least is a clear case of Evil Is Sexy.
  • Many Smallville fans rooted for the Luthors, even after Lex performed his inevitable Face-Heel Turn.
  • In Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, some fans were rooting for the Maquis, seeing the Federation at fault for seceding their Colonies to the Cardassians without informing them first, then expecting the colonists to just up and move from their homes. Of course they were fighting back! Even high-ranking members of Starfleet and the Federation were sympathetic to the Maquis, so it's not like these fans were bucking convention with this.
    • For a more literal example of this trope, there's a certain group of Trekkies who find the Terran Empire preferable to the Federation. The reasons are standard: the Terran Empire (especially in Star Trek: Enterprise) is more "badass" than its "prime" universe counterpart, with the depicted characters usually being Magnificent Bastards and the ships being full warship variations of the originals (compare the ISS Enterprise (NX-01) to its prime version for an example), while the Empire being human-centric is a neat Shut Up, Kirk! (sorry couldn't resist) to the Federation's constant preaching of universal equality. Obviously none of these redeem the Terran Empire of its evilness, but as Spock put it, there's something refreshing about humans acting "brutal, unprincipled, uncivilized, treacherous" in a series overrun with Aesop morality.
  • Survivor uses Manipulative Editing to create heroes and villains, who the audience is supposed to root for and against. It gets laid on so thick (and with so much Glurge) that the more cynical fans rebel. They assume that "what really happened" is the exact opposite of what was shown on-screen. An example is Jerri from Australia, who was portrayed as a Card-Carrying Villain, complete with Evil Laugh. The contrarian fans loved her and said that she was a real person who told it like it was, her enemies were hypocrites, and the editing was smearing her.
    • In one season, the "setup" was bringing a bunch of former all-star castaways back on the show to play dueling teams of the show's past "Heroes" and "Villains", respectively. Most of the "villains" were shocked when they were aligned with the bad guys, most likely because they were merely portrayed as such due to the selective editing mentioned above. This caused them to decide that if they were going to be the villains, they might as well be actually be the bad guys. This is exactly what the producers wanted.
    • Really, a lot of Reality TV contestants are loved by the viewers in spite of being (or because they are) manipulative and deceitful.
  • The Fellowship of the Sun in True Blood is played to look like religious fanatic terrorists, but at the same time - the Vampires they hate actually do commit heinous murders, torture, and mind control, and do not respect or submit to human authority. Taking a step back from Bill and Godric, the only two vampires in the show with half a soul, and it's very difficult to tell who're the terrorists and who are the freedom fighters.
    • The same held true for the Wiccans in Season 4, since they were basically humans fighting back. It took until Season 6 for the show to develop unambiguously dickish human antagonists.
      • Just about any villain fighting against the vampires usually ends up being cheered on by fans of the show who feel that no matter what they do the vampires are much worse in comparison.
  • Some people who watch The Vampire Diaries root for Big Bad Klaus and The Dragon Elijah. This is partly because the show runs on Protagonist-Centered Morality to the point where the supposedly "good" characters are sometimes little better than the villains, often leaving the audience to simply side with whichever character entertains them the most. Moreover, antagonists such as Klaus and Katherine, despite being genuinely villainous, are given Freudian excuses and frequent enough Pet the Dog moments for the audience to sympathize with them to some extent.
  • In the short-run (8 episodes) Wizards And Warriors series, the good guys were more-or-less the straight men of the ensemble, especially Prince Eric Greystone. His opposite number, Prince Dirk Blackpool, is so deliciously evil that he completely steals the show. It helps that he's played by Duncan Regehr. The evil wizard, Vector, also has a lot more audience appeal than the good wizard.
  • 24 had this in the case of Jack Bauer for the final season. Kind of.
  • 666 Park Avenue: Henry and Jane's characters are... not the best ones on the show, especially Henry.

    Music 
  • Dan Dare doesn't know it, but Bernie Taupin and Elton John like the Mekon.

    Mythology and Religion 
  • The Amazons of Greek Mythology were villains whose intended purpose was to demonstrate the dangers in allowing women any power whatsoever, but in more recent times (especially with the rise of Feminism) have been portrayed with increasing sympathy.
  • From Greek Mythology as well a number of people support the Titans over the Olympians. A case of Grey and Grey Morality, Cronus ate his kids, but is recorded as ruling over a Golden Age for mankind where humans lived without the need for toil, disease, or war. Then Zeus and a bunch of other Jerk Ass Gods came along, ended the Golden Age and introduced every cruelty they could think of. Many modern adaptions have to villainize the Titans so you sympathize with the Olympians.

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     Professional Wrestling  
  • In the example to top all examples, Bret Hart slowly became more and more evil after he returned to wrestling in 1996, feuded with "Stone Cold" Steve Austin, brutally beat him in a submission match at Wrestlemania XIII, became a heel while Stone Cold became a face, and the entire nation of Canada supported him without hesitation. He was probably more popular in Canada after Wrestlemania XIII than before. His apology to every country but the U.S. after Wrestlemania XIII is one of the most brutally honest, deep promos ever done. And to this day, he's seen as a Canadian hero, the all Canadian face if you will.
  • CM Punk vs. Jeff Hardy is full of this. The bad guy in this was an anti-drug, straight edge guy who was better than you while the good guy was a guy who was fired from two companies because of his drug problems and lost his spot at the biggest show of the year because he could not keep his hands off the stuff. Overall, though, there was no reason to actually cheer for Jeff Hardy other than finding CM Punk to be an asshole—he was never really sorry for his past drug-abuse issues and he handwaved them off as just being rules that he chose not to follow because he was an "artist" and a "free-spirit." Then, you add that soon after leaving the WWE he was busted for drug trafficking, moved to TNA because of their lack of drug testing, and tried to headline a PPV while stoned out of his gourd, and Punk ends up looking like a Well-Intentioned Extremist.
  • Lots of WWE fans were rooting for Randy Orton during his long feud with John Cena, even though Orton was portraying an unstable and sadistic sociopath. The reason for this was that Cena had amassed a sizable Hate Dom due to a growing consensus among smarks that he was an Invincible Hero who no-sold moves that he shouldn't have and that he only used five moves. They were sick of seeing Cena win all the time, and they wanted to see him beaten. Soon, there seemed to be as many fans cheering on Orton as there were cheering on Cena. Not surprisingly, Orton soon turned face... sort of. Ironically, Cena himself was this when he was a heel.
  • An interesting meta-example surrounding Triple H: He's amassed a large amount of X-Pac Heat from sheer nepotism (he's married to the head of Creative Development, who happens to be the boss's daughter.) This leads to accusations of Spotlight-Stealing Squad, Creator's Pet, and he frequently gets Mis-blamed as the source of Executive Meddling to further his own self-serving ego. However, rumors are floating out that when he manages the shows instead of Vince McMahon, they're more relaxed and generally more pleasant, and Triple H tends to be more "with-it" in terms of pop culture while Vince thinks it's still The Eighties. This has led a lot of fans to (surprisingly) root for Triple H and hope that he begins to take a more involved role behind the scenes.
    • And then he was made head of the talent department, and despite initial fears that he would push nothing but big men, his first acquisitions were the IWC favorite Awesome Kong and Masked Luchador Sin Cara and hyped them up with video packages like the wrestling days of yesteryear. Now many are looking forward to seeing what else Trips has in store for the talent department.
    • Furthermore, according to sources, WWE NXT is sufficiently under Vince's radar, and is pretty much run by Triple H. NXT is frequently hailed as an Ensemble Darkhorse that's loved by the IWC for missing a lot of the problems they dislike with the rest of WWE's programming, further making fans eager for the day he takes over the business.
    • On a more conventional level, Trips has always had his fans no matter how overt a Heel he is at the moment, because regardless of the nepotism issues, he's also legitimately talented in the ring and charismatic behind the mic.
  • The New World Order were heels invading WCW, but were cool and popular heels that people enjoyed a great deal. Their popularity only lessened—or maybe splintered—when the group was split in two.
  • A lot of the more zealous smarks might just do this out of sheer spite, especially in regards to WWE and if the heel happens to have an indy fanbase. The mindset seems to be that, since it's fake, we can cheer the bad guy and their story because they're a good wrestler, regardless of whether their character is nice or not. The biggest example as of late is probably CM Punk in his feud against John Cena as the new leader of The Nexus. Unlike his feud with Jeff Hardy, Punk showed little to nothing in the way of redeemable qualities (save his willingness to tweak WWE Management in Worked Shoot promos), as his straight edge lifestyle hasn't even been mentioned. Despite this, he still gets cheered because he's one of the better wrestlers, despite doing nothing cheer-worthy.
    • Then there was the Summer of Punk II in 2011 where Punk was feuding Cena, Vince, and basically the entire company because he was threatening to leave with the WWE Championship on the night his contract expired at the Money in the Bank PPV in his hometown of Chicago. He was technically the Heel, but the infamous "Pipe Bomb" promo on the June 27, 2011 episode of RAW and the magnificent writing of the storyline, along with his awesome mic work made him come off as the Face, to the point that Boston cheered for him over hometown hero John Cena the RAW before the PPV, even after he compared them and said hero to the New York Yankees. Then he won the match (which is now considered one of the greatest matches in WWE history), won the title, evaded a cash-in attempt by Del Rio, and ran off with said title in his hometown crowd, ascending to superstardom in the process.
    • He once disrespected Paul Bearer's death for the buildup for his WrestleMania match with the Undertaker, stole the urn, released the ashes on Undertaker and slathered them all over his body. That's not even counting the time when he mocked Jerry Lawler's heart attack with Paul Heyman. Yet despite being not only the top Heel, but the best Heel, in the entire company, easily managing to garner massive amounts of heat in minutes, people will cheer for him anyway. Why? Because he's just so good at being bad.
  • This happens all the time in Professional Wrestling where a heel's antics end up being entertaining or cool enough that the fans start rooting for them, leading to the promoter either making a Heel-Face Turn or kicking the heel across the Moral Event Horizon to make the fans boo him again. Smarks are more likely to do this than average fans and the smark-filled regions of northeast US and Canada have this in spades. Notable examples include Stone Cold Steve Austin, D-Generation X after Shawn Michaels' injury and, more recently, Santino Marella.

    Sports 
  • The people in the stands usually root for the home team, don't they? Well, not necessarily-some of the people in the stands may in fact be cheering for the away team for any number of reasons. Sometimes the city the team plays in has a lot of expatriates from the away team's city. In the Canadian Football League, the Saskatchewan Roughriders are known for their hardcore fanbase. Many Saskatchewanians have moved to Alberta for various reasons, to the point that Roughriders flags, banners and clothing can be almost as common-if not more so-in the Alberta CFL cities of Edmonton and Calgary as the merchandise of those cities' own teams.
  • Due to Values Dissonance, some people who are appalled by bullfighting might end up cheering for the bull and celebrating whenever the matador gets injured or even killed.

    Theatre 
  • In Les Misérables, some people side strongly with Javert, refuting the Lawful Stupid interpretation and instead insisting that Valjean, as a thieving, robbing, murdering, treacherous parole-breaker who engages in armed rebellion against the government, is perhaps not undeserving of the law's, and thus Javert's, dedicated attention. This isn't as extreme an example as the others on the page, Javert is ultimately an admirable figure for his commitment to justice, and no character in the play is meant to be outright hated (excluding the Thenardiers).
  • Richard III is the smartest man in the room (any room), and much more charismatic and entertaining than any of the milquetoast good guys who surround him. Just try watching a production of the play without wanting him to win

    Tabletop Games 
  • In the Dungeons & Dragons Forgotten Realms settings we have the canon lore of Drizzt Do'Urden, many fans hate him for his tendency to survive the most ridicolous situations and setting an odd perception to the Drow. While some fans do hate him, they still read the novels because of the detailing of the surrounding world, especially Drizzt's enemies, be it drow, Thay or Jarlaxle and Artemis. The latter even got their own spinoff novel trilogy.
  • Quite a few Magic: The Gathering fans are rather pro-Phyrexian, to the point where one rather prominent fansite is seemingly unironically named "Phyrexia.com" (and themed around the plane). Considering that Phyrexians are not so much Always Chaotic Evil as Always Completely Evil (considering that they were created by a man who lived as a nomad visiting various civilisations just so he could release plagues and wipe them all out - in one case just to see what would happen, it isn't surprising), the level of support they've garnered is almost shocking. The fact that the Scars of Mirrodin story arc brings the Phyrexians back into the limelight, and that Wizards of the Coast was quite adamant on not revealing whether or not they'll win (Phyrexia they did) just contributed to this - just watch the promotional videos on Youtube, often depicting Phyrexians committing Nightmare Fuel atrocities against the Mirrans, then look at all the comments proudly shouting Phyrexian slogans. In fact, according to the statistics from when Mirrodin Besieged came out, 51% of players supported the Phyrexians.
    • Wizards of the Coast invoked this trope during the Mirrodin Besieged prerelease: those that supported Phyrexia were given several packs containing nothing but Phyrexian cards, while the Mirran side got only Mirran cards. They gave the participants the opportunity to root for the Empire.
    • The wiki article on Phyrexia even includes a section describing in detail what a Crapsack World Phyrexia is and how a Phyrexian victory would result in the loss of free will and emotion. In a type of website that usually tends to be impartial, this seems suspiciously like a rebuttal to the Phyrexian fans.
    • Back in the day, Phyrexia was confined to Black, the (usually) "evil" color. As per the New Phyrexia expansion, though, they've branched out into all five colors, and while this has mostly consisted of twisted Phyrexian takes on each color's philosophy, some Phyrexians, most notably those aligned to Red (the color of freedom and passion), are starting to show more sympathetic tendencies.
  • For the Old World of Darkness's Mage: The Ascension setting, quite a few players think that the Technocracy's earth is a much safer, freer place than a world where you might be eaten by a troll the second your back is turned. This viewpoint steadily gained canon support through Mage's run. The first few Technocracy books were clearly written to help the Storyteller write better villains, and the Technocrats in those books want to do things like destroy creativity. The later ones realized that, given their history (and the fact that they, you know, create all kinds of shiny new technology), the Technocracy makes more sense as Well-Intentioned Extremists on an organizational level.
    • Finally, in the "canon" Mage: the Ascension ending, the Traditions and the Technocracy ultimately realize that they are Not So Different as they both wish the best possible future for humanity. Finally, they both Earn The Happy Ending when the world comes to a close in the best way possible for everyone.
    • In the other MtAs finale, where the Nephandi win, the Technocracy makes a heroic (if futile) last stand to protect mankind, same as the arguable Big Good, the Order of Hermes.
  • Some Rifts fans see The Coalition States in a heroic light, as defenders of humanity. This is a nation that's blatantly modeled after Nazi Germany, including the institutionalized genocide. One of the later books actually includes a commentary reiterating the fact that the Coalition, or at least those in charge of it, really are bad guys.
  • The first published Traveller adventures had the players breaking into Imperial research stations, breaking out of Imperial prisons, and helping the rebels. Then the rebels nuke a city, and the players had to help the Imperium in a war. In the last published adventure about the Imperium, the players are Imperial nobles and generals who try to stop it from collapsing.
  • While everyone is fairly evil to some extent in Warhammer 40,000, even the most unambiguously evil factions have their fans, and not just for the strength of their army list.
    • Chaos are out turn the material universe into an Eldritch Location by permanently merging it with the Warp, and they work for a set of gods who want to kill, rape, mutate and infect everything, things which they are more than willing to perform their their name. Yet they're just so... METAL!
      • Nurgle and its followers get this even more than the other Chaos factions. While it is genuinely nice, and unlike the other Chaos gods (or the Emperor, for that matter) deeply cares for its subjects, it expresses its kindness by infecting its followers with every disease ever, to the point that they're in so much pain they can't feel any other pain. Its followers generally don't mind, but it still isn't exactly a pleasant fate.
      • Black Crusade does a decent job at presenting the Chaos cultists' case. It admits that the Chaos Gods are cruel masters and that Chaos is anything but cuddly - but embracing Chaos is nonetheless humanity's only hope of surviving in any form. Meanwhile, the Imperium's brutal tyranny and persecution might be justified if there was any chance that it might work, but as it is, the Imperium is beyond saving and so the Adeptus Terra are committing atrocities for the sake of a lost cause.
    • The reason that the Imperium is The Empire in the first place is because it is surrounded by unspeakable horrors that Lovecraft would be proud of. Ergo, Rooting for the Empire is, in this case, the only sane choice in an utterly insane galaxy. In the Imperium, there is law and order - even if it is draconian - and not every Imperial world is entirely a hellhole.
      • Rooting for the Imperium is helped that it has probably the largest amount of characters that seem likable and possibly the closest somebody can get to heroes in the setting. Note there is a reason for this.
    • The Tau Empire. While not exactly good, they much less "not exactly good" than the others and actually make alliances and work together with other species. In their initial release, they were considered too "good," and so were given some moral ambiguity to bring them in line with the rest of the universe, becoming more "join us or die" (which is still better than the "die xenos scum!" of everyone else).
    • Orks also have a lot support, not because they are less evil than other factions, but they are by far the most fun, crossing the line so many times they become endearing.
    • The Eldar gain much sympathy for how their only interest is in trying to prevent their extinction, being the only faction not interested in conquering/enslaving anyone (except for the Biel-tan Craftworld), as well as for how Games Workshop have relegated them to Butt Monkey status, but thy're stillentirely incapable of giving a straight answer even if it would benefit them. They're often called arrogant, perfidious, and willing to kill millions of non-eldar to save handfuls of their own, but every faction in the setting thinks that they are the superior race, and orks, tyranids, and even humans will throw away millions of their own to kill handfuls of eldar, so the criticisms ring a bit false.

     Toys  
  • This is incredibly common amongst the older part of LEGO's fandom. Especially seeing as a lot consider the "no nonhuman good guys" (especially prominent when there are no human bad guys) to have Unfortunate Implications.

     Video Games  
  • Batman: Arkham City eventually reveals that the eponymous super-prison was built for the sole purpose of mass-murdering all of the inmates. Naturally, Batman doesn't like this and the player is forced to stop it... except that the Enemy Chatter of pretty much every mook are either about how much they love murder, torture and rape, or expressions of fear of their even worse bosses.
    • It is, however, noted in-story that Strange has a nasty habit of throwing in anyone who disagrees with him; there's several instances of terrified and helpless political prisoners who are totally at the mercy of the prison and Batman has to rescue them from a near-certain shivving.
  • There are a truly astonishing number of Command & Conquer players who believe the Brotherhood of Nod are the good guys, not GDI. While they admit Nod does some unpleasant things, they justify those by saying that Utopia Justifies the Means and that Nod is fighting fire with fire in a world where Green Rocks are killing everything, presenting themselves as humanity's only hope for survival in the long term. Likely the closest thing GDI has ever gotten to support is complaints in Kane's Wrath that they don't get their own campaign.
    • The fact that Nod (well, Kane) suckered a group of highly advanced aliens to land on Earth (prematurely) and then kicked them in the teeth and stole their technology probably only bolstered their popularity.
    • In the third game fans of Nod like to paint GDI as an undemocratic military state while saying Nod never seem to actively contradict their line that they are simply "fighting for the people". In reality, Kane frequently lies to his followers in the game about what his plans are, states he never intended to win the war against GDI, and his plan also involve bringing about the destruction of Eastern Europe and then during the Scrin invasion ordering Nod to not fight back against them while GDI continued to fight. Then in the fourth game Kane actually saves the world and gives his followers the promised power of inter-galactic travel.
    • And then there're those that just like them for their black uniforms, laser guns and overall awesome hi-tech arsenal.
    • Yuri's faction in Red Alert 2: Yuri's Revenge. Yuri is total monster that wants to Take Over the World for his sake and his sake alone, but, many fans still loved him as a villain, his faction, while overpowered and usage in multiplayer is frowned, fans still found fun to play as and were disappointed that it didn't get its own campaign.
  • Caesar's Legion in Fallout: New Vegas is a truly inexplicable example of this trope. It's repeatedly stated, and admitted by its leaders and all of its members, that the Legion ideologically endorses conquest, crucifixion and torture, rape, foregoing all modern technology (except certain weapons), enslavement of all women, genocide, genetic cleansing, totalitarian social homogeneity, and survival of the fittest. They also tolerate decimation (the practice of killing every tenth soldier in your own army in order to sustain morale through fear) and cannibalism. The Legion's only upsides are that crime is nonexistent in Legion territory (due to the harsh penalties), that they do not tolerate drug usage, alcohol and that the Legion doesn't mindlessly butcher some factions in certain endings to the game. The reason why some fans consider the Legion to be the "good guys" is because they are allegedly more tolerant of homosexuality than the New California Republic, though even this itself is controversial and contradicted in-game.
    • To make it even worse, it is repeatedly stated by multiple NPCs from every faction that the Legion will fail when Caesar dies. Assuming Caesar doesn't die over the course of the game, he still isn't going to live much longer.
    • Some of this may be due to a Legion-aligned Courier receiving many perks. Getting in with the Legion provides access to a supply cache that periodically refreshes itself and a safe-house with a Luck-boosting pair of shades. (Luck being one of the hardest stats to boost on the fly.) Additionally, being opposed to the NCR, which is inadvisable for either Independent Vegas runs, allows one to freely kill and loot them, providing a Courier with as much ammo as they could ever want.
    • On an unrelated note, due to there being so many Enclave fans (as mentioned above), there is a side quest in the game where you can bring together a band of Enclave remnants, the rewards for doing this are some of the best items in the game.
  • A large number of Fallout 3 fans are adamant supporters of the Enclave, with many quite displeased that joining the Enclave was not possible in the game. This is due to the Enclave shifting from their "kill any non-pure human" agenda from Fallout 2 to using the water purifier as a means to rule the Capital Wasteland with an iron fist (mostly anyway, President Eden wants to continue with the genocide idea but Dragon-in-Chief Colonel Autumn and his men do not). They're still ruthless fascists who consider any wastelander sub-human and will slaughter anyone who gets in their way, but since the Capital Wasteland is still such a barely functioning craphole after 200 years, it's argueable that the Enclave could finally bring order and stability. You even meet one of your father's colleagues who switches sides to help the Enclave because they actually have the technology and the means for her do finally do some real good in the wasteland, rather than desperately trying to scrape together some progress back at Rivet City.
    • It's worse because you meet and in universe man who is basically thinking the exact same thing as most players (That they're honest and have the power to make the "american dream" to happen). When you meet him after he got captured he freaks out and says not to trust them, they're much more ruthless and cruel than they appear to be. Yes, that's right, not even acknowledged in game villainy dissuades fans.
  • Final Fantasy Tactics, the 1st one, featured an initial campaign against the Death Corps (or the Corpse Brigade, depending on the translation), which is run by Wiegraf, a soldier who wishes nothing more than to lead a populist revolt to unseat the corrupt nobility. We see firsthand how corrupt everyone in charge of anything is in this setting, and after the protagonist Ramza is himself on the run from the evil authorities, you're never in a position to help steer Wiegraf towards victory. Even more tragically, Wiegraf sells his soul - first figuratively, then literally - just to get by, derailing him from his original goal.
  • Final Fantasy Tactics Advance: A kid named Mewt has magically created a world that makes everyone he knows happier. Another kid, named Marche, controlled by the player, is trying desperately to stop him. Whether the latter is actually correct to do so is not very well explained. Let's leave it at that.
    • Oh, not ''everyone'' Mewt knows is happier, just everyone Mewt likes. The three bullies, for example, are somewhat worse for wear in Mewt's creation.
  • Gears of War: The Locust. Because they are eeeeeevil. And extremely Badass. And they have all the nice shiny monsters and freaky biological transport. And a banging hot chick for a hive queen.
    • It doesn't help that the COG themselves are portrayed subtly as morally questionable fascists and some of the characters are unlikable bigots. Plus the Locust themselves are only invading the surface because 50% they want to free their homeworld which was devastated by humans for centuries and 50% they're trying to get away from the Lambent, and the COG 'won' the first war by nuking the entire surface of the planet and killing more humans than the Locusts themselves. They had to portray them as Always Chaotic Evil just to try and avert this trope.
  • The Helghast in Killzone are just plain more interesting - and much cooler-looking, what with the Jin Roh battle armor and goggles - than their ISA counterparts. Their backstory is at least somewhat sympathetic (essentially a case of The Dog Bites Back on an unprecedented scale), and it doesn't help a bit that the human characters are either flat or actively unlikeable. Jan Templar is as bland as they come. Rico is a belligerent, Book Dumb Jerk Ass and apparently proud of these defining character traits. The girl is...wait, there was a girl, wasn't there? There has to be a girl - right? It may be nothing more than the fact that the only two characters who make any sort of impression are Helghast bigwig Scolar Visari, who gives a mean speech and is voiced by Brian Cox, and your snarky half-Helghast teammate Colonel Hakha, voiced by Sean Pertwee, son of Jon Pertwee.
    • The sequel does it better, but not by much. While the ISA was made more interesting and likable, having the likes of Sev, Garza, Natko and Narville, some moron put Rico in charge, and that goes as well as one would think it would. The Helghast were given a few Kick the Dog moments to try to make them less sympathetic, but their awesomeness far overshadows that, with Visari giving a speech so awesome players are sad they can't play for the other side and the inclusion of the likes of Colonel Radec, also voiced by Sean Pertwee, who comes with less snark, but more badassery. While Killzone Mercenary lets you work with the Helghatst. It also shows there were Helghast who was willing to defect and there were genuinely evil Vektans who weren't Quislings but outright genocidal as the Helghast.
    • The irony is that the Helgast not only are Putting on the Reich, but their The Dog Bites Back backstory mirrors that of Germany after WWI in the 20s and 30s. Killzone may be an example of Black and Gray Morality, or Evil Versus Evil, just like the Eastern Front from WWII.
      • Another interpretation is that the Helghast are Colonial American rebels; both were a group of people who wanted to be freed from the corporations of another people, and were living in a colony held by those people.
    • This tends to extend to the multiplayer as well. There's not much story there, of course, but many a player has groaned upon being assigned to the ISA faction, i.e. generic American soldier dudes, instead of the cooler-looking and -sounding Helghast.
    • Guerrilla seems to be getting the hint, due to some of the events in Shadow Fall, which portray the Helghast in a much more sympathetic light due to the devastation of their home planet in the third game. Then there's the second to last mission, which lets you play as Echo, to assassinate an ISA operative whom has Jumped Off The Slippery Slope. It should also be noted that Echo is the daughter of Hera Visari.
  • Organization XIII of Kingdom Hearts seems to be much, much more popular among the fandom than the heroes. They even got their own game.
    • This is not surprising as most of the Organization actually have admirable goals, it's just that Xemnas tricks them all, wanting to use Kingdom Hearts to gain ultimate power. The rest of them were just oblivious, and seemingly got destroyed.
  • The Magic Emperor in Lunar: Silver Star Story would count as this. He believed that humanity would repeat the apocalypse that forced them away from The Blue Star if left without divine guidance. When the Goddess Althena abdicated her position as humanity's divine protector, he attempted to place her back on her throne, or failing that, absorb her power and put himself upon it. His means are destructive, but in order to prevent the probable extinction of the species, he considered them justified. It also helps his image that he has several Pet the Dog moments and was a well respected and wise hero.
    • Of course, some fans just root from him because they feel he's much cooler than the heroes.
  • A minority of Mass Effect fans, if not actively rooting for the Reapers, certainly think that they are by far the coolest race out there.
    • The Turians and their actions during the First Contact War, when the Turians decided the best way to tell the then-unknown race (Humanity) that tampering with a dormant Mass Relay was a violation of Interstellar Law, was to open-fire without warning, follow the surviving vessel back to Shanxi, then repeatedly proceed to rain down space-debris upon the settlement just to take out ground-forces and civilians. Some fans are staunch defenders of their actions, believing they were completely justified and were only upholding interstellar law.
    • Many fans believe Shepard should have stayed with Cerberus after Mass Effect 2, despite the Illusive Man being a Manipulative Bastard who was simply using Shepard for his own ends. Lampshaded by Joker in the third game, who admits that Cerberus were a lot cooler and easier to root for when they were rebels helping to save the galaxy, rather than the Indoctrinated terrorists - hampering all efforts to fight the Reapers, whilst being as Obviously Evil and Ax-Crazy as possible - they've turned into.
    • Saren, the villain of the first game is often the subject of this and Draco in Leather Pants from parts of the fandom. The second game reveals this even extends to being the case in-universe, where a gold statue of Saren is seen as a prized gift by wealthy criminals, while a Shadow Broker dossier reveals that there exists more than one documentary portraying Saren as a misunderstood hero.
  • There is a portion of the Morrowind fandom who thinks Dagoth Ur was really a good guy with morally-grey methods. These fans see him as a courageous rebel against a foreign empire who is only maligned because he was betrayed by his friends, who then became powerful. The game itself leaves his ultimate motives ultimately unknown (though it presents ideas), somewhat encouraging this interpretation.
    • The game design doc was originally written to allow the player to join with him. Sadly, time constraints and the much desired Christmas Release doomed that (as well as other story elements).
  • Space Channel 5 Part 2 has the Rhythm Rogues, a group of villains who want to force the galaxy to dance for them. Their leader Purge is one of the more popular characters in the series, next to Ulala and Pudding. Rumors are going around that the real reason Part 2's getting an HD port is because of the fanbase for these guys.
  • Starcraft: Brood War has the United Earth Directorate. They are set up as major villains and eventually become the dominant power in the sector, forcing an Enemy Mine situation between Raynor, Fenix, Mengsk and Kerrigan to depose them out of fear they'll enslave or kill everyone regardless of race or allegiance. However...they don't. For one thing, their campaign is pretty much an eight-mission long Kick the Son of a Bitch as they spend their time fighting Mengsk and the Zerg. Second, their evil is All There in the Manual, the larger part of the UED back on Earth is a government of racist facists who banished the original Koprulu refugees to the sector after sparing them from an ethnic cleansing program numbering in the hundreds of millions, but in the game their fleet leaders are shown to mostly be mostly reasonable and pragmatic, and they're not unwilling to make alliances with outsider factions so it isn't unlikely that if the Protoss and Raynor had been able to work out an alliance, they could have brought peace to the sector. There is a not inconsiderable number of fans who wanted them to win the Brood War and hope for their return in StarCraft II, even though Word of God has said it's not likely to happen any time soon.
    • It's actually very easy to justify this trope in their case... the genocidal campaign was nearly three centuries in the past, and societies can change radically in far less time than that. Well, unless you remember the people abandoned to the Zerg in the intro...
  • The Starcraft II Heart of the Swarm campaign again has Kerrigan as the protagonist, though whether she is still a Villain Protagonist is up to interpretation. The fact that she wants to go on a Roaring Rampage of Revenge against Mengsk for leaving her to the Zerg in the first place has caused a significant portion of the fanbase to start Rooting for the Horde of Alien Locusts.
  • It was possibly even better than that in Star Wars Battlefront and Star Wars Battlefront 2, where you could begin play as a Stormtrooper, but, if you racked up a high enough score without dying, could control Darth Freaking Vader in combat. All that, plus the opportunity to blast Ewoks!! It's rumored that there is a new console version in developement. We can only hope.....
  • You can literally root for and play a champion of The Empire in Star Wars: The Old Republic. One estimate says there are twice as many Imperial players as Republic ones on some servers. This is despite the fact that the Emperor is an omnicidal nutcase who wants to devour all life in the galaxy, the place is rife with Fantastic Racism (anyone not human or Sith pureblood is commonly referred to as "thing" or "it"), the whole damn economy is a house of cards built on military tech and slave labor, their military strategy boils down to We Have Reserves, advancement is done via Klingon Promotion (though it's gauche not to be sneaky about it for non-Sith), it's every bit as inefficient and corrupt as the Republic, and the Sith are still marking an art form of Chronic Backstabbing Disorder with everyone else ground beneath their boot heels.
  • Flight duty as portrayed in Star Wars: TIE Fighter is a fairly cushy job, when compared to the matching duty in the Rebel Alliance, with rapid promotions and secret society membership benefits, both of which lead to better fighters. Indeed, TIE Fighter pilots are expected to fail against superior Alliance fighters, and since most battles take place in Empire-controlled space, recovery after ejection is highly likely. By the time you're in serious missions against rebellion forces, you're in TIE-Advanced Fighters or even TIE Defenders.
    • Much of the time in the game you are not even fighting the rebellion, but doing what seems like legitimate and reasonable policing and military actions, such as taking down pirates, intervening in a civil war to protect the allies to the Empire and going after Imperial traitors
  • In Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World there's a considerably large fan-base rooting for the villains Alice and Decus which might be explained by the fact that they peg Emil as wimpy coward and reduce Marta to her Clingy Jealous Girl-tendencies.
  • World of Warcraft:
    • Although the Orcish Horde were the main antagonists (and Villain Protagonists) in the first two Warcraft games they were the more popular of the two factions in those days. They are given a redemption storyline at the end of Warcraft 3.
    • Chris Metzen, the main author of World of Warcraft's storyline, is on record as saying that the Horde are the faction that he is emotionally closest to.
    • Although they were initially the minority, the Horde are gradually becoming the more highly populated faction in terms of players, as Blizzard gave them a less "ugly," and more "humanlike," race. (The Blood Elves in TBC)
    • Ever since it was announced that Garrosh Hellscream would be the final boss of Mists of Pandaria, there's been a small sect of players who have wanted to forsake the Darkspear Rebellion and side with him, either due to think he's not as bad as he's made out to be or just finding his "evil" Horde more compelling than the "good" one. Ingame players are not given an option, you have to side with the rebellion.
  • X3: Albion Prelude has the Argon-Terran conflict (also known as the Second Terraformer War). The Argon Federation started the war by suicide-bombing the huge space station orbiting Earth, killing millions of innocent people, and then using weapons of mass destruction on the Terrans in a brutal Guilt-Free Extermination War. Of course, the narrative fully expects players to side with the Argon. Quite a few fans disagreed, and rejoiced when a proper Terran plot was added via free Downloadable Content, which portrays them as isolationist and paranoid due to them safeguarding their advanced technology, striking back at the Argon in self-defense.

    Web Comics 

    Web Originals 
  • The Nostalgia Chick admits that she sort of wants Hades to win in Hercules, because he (and Megara, who starts as one of his Mooks) are the only characters she finds interesting. Also, being a Child Hater herself, she seems almost perplexed that Matilda presents the Trunchbull as an unsympathetic character.
  • The Nostalgia Critic is prone to this when he thinks the hero of a movie needs to be killed quickly (which, given the calibre of the movies he watches, is surprisingly frequent). Best exemplified in The Wiz, when both the Critic and Todd in the Shadows think the few minutes of the Wicked Witch are fun enough that they hope she wins.
  • Obscurus Lupa finds herself siding with the mutant frogs in the Frogtown series.
    • For Vampire Assassin, she played the "Lonely Man" music Incredible Hulk show when "Vampire Hulk" gets staked.
    • She was actually pulling for Radu for all four films; even as he became less and less violent, and more like an Anne Rice character.
    • Radu automatically does this with every film he reviews.
    • Gimli coming at Golddigger with a garden hose. (Robot in the Family)
      "Yes, YES, kill it!! John Rhys-Davies, you're my hero!"
    • Radu interprets Tommy Wiseau as the true demon in The House That Drips Blood on Alex.
    • The only person on Sesame Street she can even tolerate is Oscar, who really speaks to her.
    • In her Charmed reviews, she considers the Charmed Ones (particularly Phoebe) to be Designated Heroes. It gets to the point where, in Season 4, she says, "It makes you root for the Source of All Evil because he seems nice in comparison." In season 6, during the high school reunion episode, the Alpha Bitch calls Phoebe a selfish whore to her face in as catty a manner as possible, and Lupa can't actually argue against it.
  • Phelous is pretty sure in Crocodile and Crocodile 2 that we're supposed to be rooting for the crocodiles. Or maybe Princess the dog, when he thinks she's constantly luring the humans to the croc on purpose.
  • This girl is rooting for the empire. And a Jedi will guide her to the Siths' Academy.
  • This Youtube video. Many of the commenters are rooting for the escapee (thanks to his skill and luck) and deriding the police for putting people's lives at risk during the chase (despite the escapee himself putting those lives at risk to begin with by trying to outrun the police on a major highway.)
  • A common phenomenon in the 1999-2002 timeframe on World War II themed forums: a large percent of forum posters rooted for the Wehrmacht, as the side with the coolest tanks, planes, uniforms and dashing war heroes like Wittmann or Hartmann. It died slowly after 2002, most people gained a more balanced and neutral attitude for those involved in the war.

    Western Animation 
  • The villains from Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog were popular even before YouTube Poop caught on.
  • In Avatar: The Last Airbender fandom, some fans root for the Fire Nation out of the opinion they're the best candidate to advance technology and bring 'progress' to the world. These fans also believe that the Avatar himself is a symbol of outdated superstitions and supernatural forces holding back humanity from its true potential, and that the 'Balance' the heroes are fighting to restore is merely the forced stagnation of civilization. As for the millions of people killed or enslaved by the Fire Nation, and the millions more that they're planning to exterminate along with their native cultures, that's apparently a small price to pay for a one-world government and an industrial revolution.
    • One thing that a lot of Empire-rooting fans love to point out is that the Fire Nation's military has both men and women fighting together as equals while other nations have a more Stay in the Kitchen attitude, leaving them to argue that the bad guys are the most progressive of the four groups of people.
    • It helps that most Fire Nation characters are sympathetic (Zuko, Iroh, Ty Lee, and Mai) or in Azula's case so good at being bad. The problem is that all the sympathetic characters turn against the Fire Nation and its goals, for various reasons, and that Azula is revealed to be severely disturbed.
    • Zuko can easily find a fanbase rooting for him out of sympathy for backstory and want things to get better for him. When he eventually does get what he wants, he helps lead to Heel-Face Turn.
  • In Sequel Series The Legend of Korra fandom, some fans support the Equalists stripping all benders of their abilities as the only way to put all people on a level playing field and end the oppression of non-benders, even if the benders themselves don't consent to the procedure. Debates on whether or not bending is an intrinsic part of a person and the show's civilization/culture, and if what the Equalists are attempting is a fantastical form of mutilation or not, can get quite heated. The show itself is a bit grey on the issue, showing that some benders can be oppressive but also portraying the process of benders being unwillingly stripped of their powers as analogous to rape. It gets much easier to call them bad guys after episode 6, where they bomb the pro-bending arena and in episode 7 where they attack innocent civilians and kidnap the metal bending police. Complicating matters is the fact that some corrupt benders namely representative Tarrlok feel that rounding up all non-bending individuals, Equalist or not, and imprisoning them, is a perfect way to neutralize the threat.
  • Batman: The Animated Series had Mr. Freeze. More than a few fans wanted him to save his wife, even when his plans to do so involved killing other people. It doesn't hurt that each appearance made him more sympathetic, with his canonically final appearance in Batman Beyond being one of the biggest Tear Jerkers in the entire DCAU.
    • Harley Quinn is the poster-girl for Mad Love and an in-universe proponent of Draco in Leather Pants, who honestly believes that "Mr. J" is a sweet guy and the innocent victim of that mean old bat, and frequently helps in his schemes of murder and mayhem. Many fans claim that if given the opportunity, they would do the exact same thing in her position.
    • The Penguin. The short, fat, fish-slurping guy everyone in Gotham laughs at. It just gives you such a good feeling on those rare occasions when he gets away with his crimes or kicks some serious ass. Or that occasion in that one episode where he told Batman to his face to get lost, because for once it was the Penguin saving the Distressed Damsel.
    • The DCAU depicted Batsy's Rogues Gallery in general as a big, fun-loving dysfunctional family, making it easy for fans to root for them against the endlessly grim Dark Knight despite their evil deeds.
  • There is a subset of Captain Planet fans that cheers for the Ecovillains, just because the show itself makes them Anviliciously nasty to support its Green Aesop.
    • The writers must have been listening because there was an episode where Lootin did win, and man it was a Downer Ending.
  • Danny Phantom has a huge number of fans for the villains who are more liked than the main hero.
  • The Urpneys in The Dreamstone due to the extremely overwhelming Sympathetic P.O.V., and the fact so few of them are genuinely malicious outside serving Zordrak out of fear (who himself seems interested solely in giving people nightmares). The fact they are usually more complex and amusing characters than the sickly sweet Land Of Dreams doesn't help.
    • It doesn't really help that the heroes have a lot less to lose than the Urpneys, who tend to have both their boss and their enemies alike brutalizing or outright trying to kill them for the sake of delivering scary dreams. The saccharine tone of the heroes actually hides a rather harsh treatment towards what are basically slaves being forced to commit very petty crimes via threat of death. They even managed to "win" and send nightmares a few times, despite it being a far more underwelming blow for the heroes than almost anything the Urpneys suffer every episode, they still felt the need to punish them brutally for it.
      • The final episodes did at least seem to pay some attention to this and tweaked the dynamic a little, the Noops became more pragmatic and less liable to punish the Urpneys gratuitously, meanwhile Zordrak gained a far more menacing intent for the stone and his abuse on the Urpneys was limited to harmless slapstick. While the Urpneys' docile nature still made them hard to qualify as bad guys, it was at least now possible to believe the heroes were the defending side.
  • Many The Fairly OddParents want either Crocker or Norm to win, especially as with each season Timmy becomes more and more of a Jerkass. Crocker being a Jerkass Woobie and Norm being a magnificent Deadpan Snarker probably helps.
  • A great deal of Invader Zim fans sympathize with the Villain Protagonist's goal of conquering the Earth. It helps that humans (except for Dib and Gaz) are thoroughly Too Dumb to Live and probably wouldn't even notice.
  • There were a few Kim Possible fans that at least want Shego to actually beat Kim whenever they have a confrontation, as they find it a bit too much to swallow that Shego keeps being defeated by a teenage spy who shouldn't have been able to take on a superpowered foe hand to hand. Which explains why you have fanfics that say Shego purposely held back in each confrontation they had. For various reasons.
  • My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic has an incredibly popular version of this in the New Lunar Republic - a LARGE group of fans who resent the reign of supposed "tyrant" Celestia and would rather Luna take the throne. Whether or not this counts as Rooting for the Empire depends on whether they're rooting for Luna or Nightmare Moon. Luna is not an example because she's ultimately good (if only a little impulsive), and the legitimate arguments against her right to the throne are purely political. Those who flat out rooted for Nightmare Moon... play this trope straight.
  • Given his HORRIBLE childhood, it's not hard for Phineas and Ferb fans to want Doofenshmirtz to win just once. It helps that most of his plans are pretty harmless.
  • Played with X9 in Samurai Jack. The episode he is in focuses on him, showing that he was hunting Jack because Aku was holding the robot's dog hostage. The episode was designed for you to root for the poor robot. Jack cuts him down without a pause; he's just another robot mook to him.
  • SpongeBob SquarePants - In some of the post-film (and some pre-film) episodes, Mr. Krabs' schoolyard-bully gloating of Plankton's failure makes Plankton the more sympathetic character to the audience - even though he once took over the town with mind control devices.
    • What doesn't help is that the mass flanderization of both characters has led Krabs to have less redeeming aspects than Plankton. In some cases, Krabs actually goes out of his way to ruin Plankton's rare legitimate efforts or make him miserable in the same ruthless manner as vice versa, and due to their roles, is actually more likely to succeed (eg. Plankton's Regular).
    • Can happen to Spongebob himself, especially in episodes where he goes up against Squidward. He may be a Jerk Ass, but Squidward is also the show's Only Sane Man, Chew Toy, Butt Monkey, and Deadpan Snarker, so he gets sympathy from a lot of fans compared to the obnoxious, inane, callous, and occasionally sociopathic title character. It's different in episodes where Squidward picks on or tricks Spongebob, but often his motivation is just to avoid him and be left alone. Imagine if you had a neighbor like Spongebob, and this becomes a rather understandable desire.
  • Star Wars: The Clone Wars in general has this given the Evil Is Cool nature of a number of the villains as the show improved, but in an interesting case of Evil vs. Evil in the episode "Massacre", this trope can still be applied with outnumbered Asaaj and the Nightsisters taking a much larger droid army led by General Grievous. Grievous, unlike Assaj, has no sympathetic qualities to him, but many viewers were rooting for him and the droids due to Asaaj and the Nightsisters earlier actions during the Nightsister trilogy of episodes, and the fact that he had the battle droids, who came off as more likable than the Nightsisters.
    • The regular battle droids can often be this throughout the series due to how they mostly come off as Punch Clock Villains doing what they're ordered to, never appear especially malevolent, at times descend into Ineffectual Sympathetic Villain territory due to how hilarious they are.
  • Many Titan Maximum fans want Gibbs to destroy the insufferable main characters.
    • Considering that creator Seth Green left the show in limbo with a cliffhanger of Mercury being incinerated by the sun and the heroes have no ship to fly off... he already has.
  • A small contingent of Transformers fans feel that the Decepticons are the real good guys, and that the Autobots are evil. Granted, a few continuities show that the Bots aren't perfect paragons of justice, and the Cons had good reasons to rebel, but stories where Decepticons take small children hostage (or kill a puppy) show that they are NOT nice mechs.
    • Given a bit more weight in Transformers Animated in which the Autobots are the ruling empire led by someone who's just a bit too willing to do bad things to achieve victory for comfort while the Decepticons are the scrappy rebels, albeit vicious and ruthless ones.
    • In the IDW comics the Autobot government was evil (well corrupt at least) and the Decepticons were laid off blue collar workers living in slums until this one miner showed up... (Most of the story is set millions of years later, by which point they're rather less sympathetic.)
    • One of the movie prequel comics showed one part of the falling out between the Autobots and Decepticons was Prime wouldn't allow Megatron to attack a hostile force on their way to Cybertron, until they arrived and started attacking. Megatron was just trying to protect Cybertron.
    • In the Transformers: War for Cybertron continuity, Megatron was initially a gladiator who rebelled against an oppressive, caste-based society ruled by the Autobots, so initially it was the Autobots themselves who were the Empire and you should have rooted against. But Megatron became too prideful and ruthless, to the point his ideal of a caste-less society was buried by his desire to rule. Transformers seems to have been moving over the years from "Decepticons evil, Autobots good" to an almost Star Wars-like setup, where Cybertronian society badly needed shaking up but the Cons went too far and the necessities of war turned the Autobots into the casteless society the Decepticons wanted, while the Decepticons became too obsessed to remember their original intentions.
    • The Megatron in Beast Wars seems to imply that the Predacons are currently stuck as servants to the ruling Maximal class and its Council of Elders. Megatron himself is made into a very nationalistic figure, fighting to improve the lot of his suffering people after their terrible losses in the last war, damn the consequences. And get power himself in the process. He still manages to maintain a following in Beast Machines despite being a lot more evil and wiping Cybertron clean of Maximals and Predacons alike.
    • Transformers Prime depicts the Decepticons as having a colorful range of personalities that vary on the Sliding Scale Of Villain Vileness. Some of the less evil ones like Dreadwing and Predaking, it can be hard to not root for them at times.
  • The Venture Bros.. Daddy Venture commonly forgets about everyone and everything important to him. Anything halfway decent he horribly abuses. The villain, the Monarch, cares about his named henchmen, cares about the emotional health of his prisoners and participates in the 'Scared Straight' program when he spent time in the slammer. If it wasn't for the Monarch's occasional efforts to outright rip apart the Ventures, it'd be hard to tell who was the villain. Many viewers will compensate by rooting for Brock, who's a friendly, cool guy that genuinely cares about the Venture boys as if they were his own sons, and yet over the course of the series racks up a higher body count than Dr. Venture and the Monarch combined.
    • Lampshaded at one point when Dr. Venture is groomed to be a villain, and shown to be a better potential villain than heroic Super Scientist.
  • Who hasn't wanted Dick Dastardly and Muttley to succeed? Whether it's at winning a race or stopping that pigeon. It helps the two bad guys always got much more screen time then the heroes in their shows.
    • Furthermore, Dastardly's alleged cheating is often considered legitimate when performed by other supposedly "fair-playing" racers. His one victory was discounted due to him extending his vehicle, something that has been done countless times before by others in the show's run. Then there was that one time he got a ticket for speeding, which makes it look like the universe is deliberately trying to keep him from winning.
  • In Wakfu we have Nox. At first he just seems to be a Giggling Axe Crazy Big Bad, we come to learn why he is doing this. Because of his obsession with the Eliacube, his family left him and they get killed in a flood. So he is planning to drain all of the wakfu he could get so he can go back in time and stop this accident, not to mention if he did pull it off all of his actions would have been reversed anyway. You can't help but feel sorry for him when 200 years of his work only turns time back 20 minutes and seeing that he will never save his family simply goes to their grave and dies. The Prequel episode showing his Start of Darkness only seems to reenforce this.
  • X-Men: Evolution: The original Brotherhood members just don't come off as evil to many fans, despite all the horrendous things they did. That they are just the "Bad" in a The Good, the Bad, and the Evil situation lends a certain degree of sympathy, as does how they're constantly abandoned or generally treated horribly by everyone, including their supposed allies.
  • In Chuck Jones' autobiography Chuck Amuck, he lists ten rules that every Road Runner cartoon had to adhere to, the last of which was "The audience's sympathy must remain with the Coyote." See The Other Wiki for the full list.
    • Tom, Donald, Sylvester, and Wile E. Coyote from the Tom and Jerry, Sylvester and Tweety, Disney Shorts and Road Runner'' cartoons respectively, amass a lot of sympathy given their opponents are jerks or Invincible Heroes and reality seems to bend to their will. Tom seems to get the most of it, which is understandable because he's taking abuse from both the mouse who is breaking into his home and often his owners for failing to catch the trespassing mouse.
      • Many episodes make it IMPOSSIBLE to root for Jerry. Jerry sabotaging Tom's attempts to woo a girl cat and ruining his concerto performances, for example, make him downright unlikeable. To compensate in a lot more shorts in the 50s and 60s Tom actually DID win (usually when Jerry acted without provocation).
    • Yosemite Sam was actually created by Friz Freleng because he feared Elmer Fudd's haplessly and Affably Evil demeanor would actually provoke this trope and make Bugs look like a bully. A lot of the later shorts went to extreme lengths to present foes who were so utterly unlikable that their losses could be seen as extreme Laser-Guided Karma that they brought on themselves (eg. De Patie Freleng shorts such as Moby Duck and Well Worn Daffy, which evolved Daffy Duck into a needlessly ruthless villain (if still hapless and bumbling) against an excessively empathetic and forgiving Speedy Gonzales).
    • The retooling of Bugs Bunny. His initial appearances had him as more of a Screwy Squirrel who messed with people because it was fun. The "canon" version only brings the hurt after having been provoked ("Of course you realize, dis' means war!") or deliberately targeted by a predator (The Tasmanian Devil, Wile E. Coyote).

In-Universe Examples:

    Film 
  • In The Addams Family, we see Morticia reading to a group of preschoolers the story of Hansel and Gretel from the witch's perspective and depicting the main characters as beastly children for shoving her into the oven at the end of the story. The kids she was reading to don't take the story well.

    Literature 
  • Happens in-universe, sort of, in a couple of the Discworld books, particularly Lords and Ladies and Carpe Jugulum. In both cases it's really only the witches who are willing and able to oppose the elves (in the first) and the Magpyrs (in the second), and even they occasionally struggle with the temptation; if Esme Weatherwax had a will made of some weaker material (like, say, iron) both books could have ended very differently.

    Live-Action TV 
  • In The Addams Family, the family wound up having this problem when they enrolled their children in public school. Wednesday came home in tears after the first day after being read a story where a poor, innocent dragon was ruthlessly slaughtered by a sinister knight in cold, gleaming armor.
  • In the All in the Family episode "Two's a Crowd", Archie says to Mike: "You're the kind of guy who watches a John Wayne movie and roots for the Indians!". Becomes Harsher in Hindsight when Values Dissonance kicks in, as many people do indeed root for the Native Americans in those films for obvious reasons.
  • On The Big Bang Theory, Sheldon identifies with The Grinch ("I was right there with him all the way until he gave in to the Holiday Who Whooey at the end") and according to Leonard roots for the Sun against Frosty the Snowman ("A trivial piece of holiday flotsom in a stolen hat)".
    • Another episode reveals that Sheldon actually does root for the Empire.
    Sheldon: Aside from their tendency to build Death Stars, I've always been an Empire man.
  • Barney from How I Met Your Mother apparently applies this trope to the majority of movies he's seen. He gets called out on rooting for Johnny in The Karate Kid, and the rest of the group bring up a plethora of movies, all of which he roots for the villain in them, including Principal Vernon in The Breakfast Club, and Hans in Die Hard. Barney also refuses to accept that the characters he roots for are villains.
    Barney: "Hello? It's called The Terminator."

     Newspaper Comics  
  • Candorville- Roxanne considers the villain of almost any movie to be the real hero.
  • Drabble did an in-story version, with Norman commenting that he realized how very conservative his father was when they saw Star Wars (Episode IV, no less) and Dad was cheering for Darth Vader.
  • Jason of Foxtrot also cheers for Darth Vader. He even tried to convince George Lucas to digitally insert him into the Special Edition as "Jason Skywalker", a Jedi who eventually turns to The Dark Side. He also refers to Luke as "a fool" because he doesn't turn to the Dark Side.
  • In a Garfield strip, Garfield roots for the monster that ate Tokyo in a movie, because "anything that eats everything can't be all bad".
    • In another strip, when watching the movie "Lassie Crosses the Freeway", Garfield mentions that he's rooting for the trucks.
    • As Jon and Garfield watch a film about a man-eating lion, we know who roots for whom. Even when the lion gets killed in the end, Garfield happily notes that he ended with a score of "Villagers: 1 Lion: 42".

    Webcomics 
  • Invoked in The Order of the Stick, where Tarqin explains that he follows all of the Evil Is Cool tropes to a T to provoke this sort of reaction from anyone who hears of the story, thus immortalizing him into a legend.
    • A blink-and-you'll-miss-it example from earlier in the same arc; during a run of comics thick with Dune references (including an appearance from a Sand Worm), Belkar can be seen actually reading Dune- and, being Belkar, appears to be rooting for Baron Harkonnen.
    Belkar: No, no, no! Don't lean in, he's got a poison tooth!

    Western Animation 
  • In Garfield and Friends Garfield tries to tell the story of Hansel and Gretel to Nermal, but Nermal ended up feeling bad for the witch at the end of the story, forcing Garfield to try and come up with an ending that gives the witch a much happier ending. It should be noted that Nermal's horrified reaction to the story didn't really stem from him being evil by any stretch of the means, but rather his innocent persona prevented him from really seeing the witch as evil.
  • In the Rugrats "Passover" episode, Angelica immediately identifies with Pharaoh and feels sorry that she loses.


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