Rooting for the Empire
"Remember that movie Footloose, where those evil kids won in the end?"
—Kenneth, 30 Rock ("Black Tie")
"Society calls him evil, but he wears their label! He reclaims it! And that is why they will never get him down!"Where the villains of a series become more popular than the good guys. The heroes start to rub the fans the wrong way, and a notable proportion of the fandom now dislikes and actively bashes the main characters. For these fans they can almost become a Hatedom, yet they call themselves fans and continue to read/watch/play the source material because they like the bad guys. Rooting for the Empire is fairly common in a story with a Villain Protagonist, due to the natural tendency for audiences to bond with the viewpoint character of any story: but there are many other reasons for this attitude to take hold. Having their conflict be against other (sometimes even worse) bad guys rather than heroic antagonists tends to cause either this or Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy. It also often happens in works with a Designated Hero and/or Designated Villain. There's usually a turning point in canon that leads to this, sometimes irrational and sometimes rational: Irrational reasons for this include: fans gaining too much Sympathy for the Devil. The villain getting a subplot that's more interesting than what the main cast is doing. The villains are considered cooler than the heroes. The villain is so incompetent that the fans think they should win just for once. The villains attacked The Scrappy and/or Creator's Pet. The fans want to be on the strongest side, for once. The series runs on White and Grey Morality, and the viewers may tire of having a hero never able to make a tough decision and revels in rooting for someone who does. Rational reasons include: the evilness of the villains being an Informed Attribute, while the "heroes" repeatedly Kick the Dog and act unpleasant. The villain constantly makes good points. The series uses Grey and Gray Morality or Black and Gray Morality so Rooting For The Empire is an Intended Audience Reaction. Tends to occur when the source material has jumped the shark and started to lose its focus, but sometimes Just for Fun or for reasons of the fans' own. It can also be a response to Writer Revolt or a perceived slight to the fans. Jerkass Dissonance often plays a part. Unlike the Misaimed Fandom, the character roles are working out as they're supposed to, but the audience willingly cheers on the enemy. Hate toward the actor can also be involved in this, when the hated actor is playing a good guy. Some sociologists have pointed out that, as irrational as it sounds, many people, both when it comes to fiction and real life, will root for whichever side reminds them the most of themselves, even when that side is thoroughly immoral, totally unlikable or both. As simple as it is to always want to see people of your own ethnic group, religion, or social or political class - or who simply have the same goals or aspirations as yourself - triumph, it is understandable, because it's easy to convince yourself that if they lose, you will lose too. Common manifestations of the trope include:
- The Caper. Like the Feng Shui quote on the quotes page said, who roots for the cops? The writers often try to avoid this through a Caper Rationalization.
- Damn, It Feels Good to Be a Gangster . Massive audience sympathy for "villains" such as Rico Bandello in Little Caesar, Tony Camonte in Scarface (1932), and Tom Powers in The Public Enemy was one of the main reasons for The Hays Code and nearly forty years of film censorship. This didn't stop Cody Jarrett from being the sympathetic one in White Heat in 1949.
- Almost every Slasher Movie invokes this by making the victims as horribly unlikable as possible, to the point where it has its own trope: Developing Doomed Characters.
- British people watching films about the American War of Independence tend to have a reaction slightly like this - the films often try to paint the British in the worst possible light, which American audiences might not have a problem with, but historians (and the British) might.
- Any time the villain is the victim of a bully, as bullies tend to make such good asshole victims.
- In a combination of this trope and Values Dissonance, many older Westerns lead to modern audiences siding with the Native Americans who serve as the Designated Villains.
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- In the Apple-produced "I'm a Mac/I'm a PC" commercials, many viewers tended to side with the PC, which came across as more of a likable everyman, while the Mac seemed like a smug tosser.
- Who doesn't root for the Lucky Charms leprechaun? He's only trying to protect what's his. Thankfully, later commercials have him steal it back by the end.
- There are hundreds of thousands of people around the world who want the Trix Rabbit to put a hurting on some smart-assed kids and take their cereal. General Mills has actually played this to their advantage by holding voting contests asking kids if the Trix rabbit should get to have some cereal; the results in three of the contests in 1976, 1980, and 1991, was an overwhelming victory for the "Yes" side.
- Completing the cereal-ad trifecta, many ads for Cocoa and Fruity Pebbles feature ostensible-protagonist Barney stealing ostensible-antagonist Fred's cereal to shouts of "BARNEY! My PEBBLES!" Fred may be overreacting, but once you realize why the thieving little Tyrion Lannister wannabe doesn't just buy his own damn cereal, it's hard not to sympathize with Fred.
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- The Animatrix puts the Machines from The Matrix into a much, much more sympathetic light. It's shown that the Machines had their origins as a slave race created by humanity to do all their work while the humans enjoyed the good life. When machines began to assert their own right to life (defending themselves when their owners tried to destroy them), they were the subject of a brutal crackdown campaign. The machines then founded their own nation and made numerous attempts at peaceful coexistence with their human neighbours (all of which were ignored or deliberately sabotaged by said humans). It's only when humanity declared war and launched an attack to blacken the skies that the Machines finally took off the kid gloves (and even then, the production of a digital playground for the humans to run around in could be seen as something of a mercy gesture from the Machines, given that they only needed the humans to be alive to serve as their batteries). The viewer could be forgiven for thinking they've been rooting for the wrong side in the rest of the films.
- Bleach had five years' worth of dealing with the Soul Society as the antagonists during a conspiracy arc, so it exposed a lot of the crimes, inequality (deceased humans' souls are regulated to live in slums) and bureaucracy evident in the Soul Society. While the Arrancar aren't exactly a nice bunch, several fans were quite annoyed at the archaic, aristocratic depiction of the supposed afterlife, and it was not uncommon to see fans view disappointment at whenever an Espada lost a fight with a captain. It's easy to feel some sympathy for the Hollows (and, by extension, the Arrancars) who are hunted by the Shinigami, as they need to feed on souls in order to survive, so although they need to be killed because of the threat they pose to humans they themselves see their actions merely as self-preservation, and all of them are just corrupted souls who have forgotten what they originally were, who aren't so much killed as absolved as their sins and allowed to move on to the afterlife naturally. And the author apparently listened to those rooting for the Arrancar, with the Soul Society undergoing a culture change that makes them closer to A Lighter Shade of Grey, while the Arrancar are going through such a species-wide Break the Haughty moment that they're actually more open to HELPING their former enemies than before.
- Code Geass - A number of people supported the Holy Empire of Britannia, some because they began to dislike Lelouch, some because they believed that Britannia actually had sensible (if cut-throat) policies, and others for shallow Evil Is Cool reasons. Then there's the British fans who root for their own country, barely veiled expy though it is. In addition, various viewers also liked Suzaku, the protagonist's main rival, sympathizing with his actions and points of view more than with Lelouch's.
- A common complaint of Crest of the Stars; thanks to the Abh being Designated Heroes, many complain they are The Empire and the author is Rooting For The Empire, so fans instead decide to Root For The Empire by cheering on the United Humankind faction, who are the Designated Villain and play The Empire straight.
- Death Note is... a complicated example. Light is already a Knight Templar/Villain Protagonist, prone to Draco in Leather Pants, but his Worthy Opponent L is equally popular, so who you rooted for was, hopefully, irrelevant, as long as they kept fighting. Once L dies, Near was such a Replacement Scrappy, and an Insufferable Genius, those rooting for Light and calling for Near's head grew much more vociferous - as did the supporters of loose cannon Mello and the generalized Wammy partisans.
- Fafner in the Azure: Dead Aggressor had this, since the "good" guys were so unlikable, the writers noticed this and took steps to fix this.
- Gundam has a truly massive amount of Rooting For The Empire, spread across its multiple series. The series' antiwar message makes sure that the villains are never completely evil and have realistic motivations.
- Look no further than the Principality of Zeon from the original Universal Century timeline. The franchise does do its best to show that War Is Hell, there IS no "right" and "wrong" side, many of their grievances and (questionable) justifications are based on some in-verse context, and has introduced sympathetic Zeons like Bernard Wiseman and Aina Sahalin. However, later writers seem to have missed or outright ignored Yoshiyuki Tomino's very deliberate parallels between Zeon and Nazi Germany, including their leader being PROUD to be compared to Adolf Hitler by his own father. While Tomino did feature some sympathetic Zeons in his stories, the "Zeon as La Résistance" attitude didn't really hit its stride until the productions that didn't involve him, in particular Gundam 0083, where the Zeon remnants do style themselves as La Résistance even as they try (once more) to drop a colony on Earth, and the soldier who was inspired to defect after being hated and abused by her fellows is treated as the lowest of scum. In fact, as of stories like MS IGLOO and Gundam Unicorn, being a fan of the Federation is pretty well treated as Rooting for the Empire.
- Unicorn contains a debatable Lampshade Hanging on the entire concept; Banagher ends up visiting a space colony full of Zeon loyalists who whole-heartedly believe the "Zeon heroes, Feddies evil" idea...completely ignoring that the vast majority of them live in abject squalor so a tiny number of elites can live like kings.
- A lot of people in Australia (outside of New South Wales) view Zeon dropping a colony on Sydney as a GOOD thing. As an added bonus, the colony likely took out Canberra (where all the politicians are) as well.
- The Titans of the Zeta Gundam era, while nowhere near as popular as the Zeon, and made even worse, also have their fair share of fans. Reflecting this is a number of sidestory manga starring various subfactions that can be described as "Titans, but totally not evil like those other ones". It doesn't help that the real goal of the Titans according to side materials is to engineer a social collapse through the Gryps conflict that will destroy The Federation and force a mass exodus to the colonies with the Titans in charge.
- Gundam Wing plays around with this, primarily because individual people matter more than factions. So while OZ might have both good people (like Zechs and Treize) and bad people (like Dermail and Tsubarov), the organization itself is only "bad" because it opposes the Gundam Pilots. In fact, at one point, Relena Peacecraft becomes the head of OZ, making it an erstwhile ally to the G-Team. Likewise, though the Gundam Pilots are the main characters and are supposed to be good guys, they commit morally questionable acts and the series actually discusses if they were needed in the first place.
- In Gundam SEED (and especially its sequel), even trying to decide which faction counts as "the empire" for the purposes of this trope can spark Flame Wars. Suffice to say that all sides have their fans, despite the copious amounts of bastardry and/or stupidity displayed by everyone. Fans of the Earth Alliance became such specifically in protest of the fact that the entire faction was portrayed as Card Carrying Villains (in Destiny anyway; they're more morally grey in SEED proper), as part of the general "screw you" attitude many have adopted towards the show's director Mitsuo Fukuda and head writer Chiaki Morosawa (who are husband and wife). Many viewers also ended up rooting for the Earth Alliance due to many of its characters coming off sympathetic and how ZAFT repeatedly slaughtered anybody without Character Shields for the first half of the series.
- Season 1 of Gundam 00. It doesn't help that the main characters are Well Intentioned Extremists whose plan appears to boil down to "kill everyone on both sides of any fight that starts with our uberly superior Gundams", while most of their enemies are sympathetic soldiers fighting to protect their countries as best as they can even with vastly inferior mechs, sometimes almost succeeding through careful planning, as Sergei and Kati demonstrate.
- In season 2 Celestial Being was presented as an almost messianic La Résistance group that was always right in their cause; even the wanton acts they committed in Season 1 were all but completely forgottennote , in spite of Celestial Being's interventions being the reason the ESF and the A-Laws came into existence. Setsuna's transformation into an Innovator literally gave him cosmic superpowers (ones that made the psychedelic Newtype stuff from the Universal Century look tame) and a full on messiah complex (such that even supporting characters compare Setsuna to a savior at times). Combine that with the usual Anvilicious writing that plagues any and all Gundam series at the end of their respective runs, and you can see why certain viewers were rooting for whoever was fighting CB at the time.
- Once Episode 15 of Gundam Age aired, the number of fans who are cheering for the Unknown Enemy, the Vagan, had grown exponentially. It's easy to sympathize with them as the Earth Federation left the colonists on Mars for dead, causing the said colonists to form their own nation to rival the Earth Federation.
- Look no further than the Principality of Zeon from the original Universal Century timeline. The franchise does do its best to show that War Is Hell, there IS no "right" and "wrong" side, many of their grievances and (questionable) justifications are based on some in-verse context, and has introduced sympathetic Zeons like Bernard Wiseman and Aina Sahalin. However, later writers seem to have missed or outright ignored Yoshiyuki Tomino's very deliberate parallels between Zeon and Nazi Germany, including their leader being PROUD to be compared to Adolf Hitler by his own father. While Tomino did feature some sympathetic Zeons in his stories, the "Zeon as La Résistance" attitude didn't really hit its stride until the productions that didn't involve him, in particular Gundam 0083, where the Zeon remnants do style themselves as La Résistance even as they try (once more) to drop a colony on Earth, and the soldier who was inspired to defect after being hated and abused by her fellows is treated as the lowest of scum. In fact, as of stories like MS IGLOO and Gundam Unicorn, being a fan of the Federation is pretty well treated as Rooting for the Empire.
- Haruhi Suzumiya seems to have rubbed some fans the wrong way — there are quite a few of them who want the Computer Club President (who was the victim of Blackmail) or the Anti-SOS Brigade to succeed. In the case of the Computer Club President, it's justifiable and even Kyon has sympathy for him in-universe, because he is a victim of Haruhi's mad whims. The Anti-SOS Brigade are actually villains, however, yet back in the day they had a sizeable fanbase convinced that the Anti-SOS Brigade members deserved Kyon's friendship (and Haruhi's powers) more than the SOS Brigade and Haruhi, whom they saw as an unstable lunatic.
- Hellsing starts to have this in its later volumes where some readers root for characters fighting against Alucard due to how he is invincible for most of the series. Paladin Alexander Anderson especially has a large fandom due to his Slasher Smile, cool powers and weapons, and creepy priest vibe. In-Universe, Alucard appears to agree, considering Anderson a Worthy Opponent and seeming to actually want him to be victorious.
- Given the displays of epic incompetence from the humans (namely, Meleagros and Atalantes), cheering for the Silver Tribe in Heroic Age is not hard as it seems. Mostly for them to kill those two dumbasses already.
- Legend of Galactic Heroes is the textbook definition of this trope. Even Yang Wen-li, the military leader for the democratic government fighting the Empire, has a mancrush on Reinhard von Lohengramm, the leader of the monarchic Galactic Empire. Yang Wen-li and another wise military leader on the democratic side muse casually about how they would fight for Reinhard without a second thought if they were born in the Empire and seem to fight on behalf of a corrupt democracy with a resigned "what else can we do?" attitude. This show is also the textbook definition of Grey and Gray Morality so Reinhard isn't exactly bad...
- Mazinger Z: Dr. Hell is a Large Ham who wanted to Take Over the World to force the whole humankind to bow down to him, but some fans know about his Backstory tend to see him like The Woobie (or a Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds) and actually feel sympathetic towards him, thinking it was unfair he worked so hard, scheming complex plans and strategies and crafting incredible scientific breakthroughs only to be defeated, crushed and humiliated over and over and over by a loud-mouthed, Jerkass Idiot Hero teenager with a cool Humongous Mecha. And in Mazinkaiser, it turns out one of the major reasons he wanted to rule humanity was to unite it against the rising menace of the Mykene Empire.
- In Medaka Box, Big Bad Kumagawa, to the point where even the characters in story want him to beat Medaka. He has also won every popularity poll since he made his debut.
- There are quite a few readers who root for the Akatsuki, and even for Sasuke during his stint as a bad guy. It doesn't help that the main character himself took his All-Loving Hero traits straight into Too Dumb to Live territory, with his doing so fueled by desperation. Though Naruto's gotten better, said fans still take Obito, Sasuke, or Madara over him.
- The fans who hate Konoha and want to see it destroyed because of the Uchiha massacre being given the go-ahead, despite all the evidence pointing to the Uchiha not only bringing it upon themselves, but actually turning down the peace attempts that Hiruzen tried, especially with their It's All About Me attitude. While Konoha isn't the worst of the hidden villages when it comes to atrocities - especially given what Sunagakure did to Gaara - it's certainly not faultless either. Alternatively, some dislike it because of how Naruto was treated, even if he did ultimately end up better off than some of the other Jinchuuriki.
- Pokémon has this in effect for the Team Rocket Trio Jessie, James, and Meowth. While they can succeed in some of their efforts, they are always defeated by Ash and Co. Ash has so much Plot Armor that you can expect him to win anything that's not a major tournament, and you know that he never loses to Team Rocket unless the plot demands it (remember, waaaaay back in the third episode, James' incredulous "Beaten by a Caterpie?!"). Even then it's usually by trickery rather than a battle. This goes on for so long, with even their most brilliant schemes failing, that you want them to win at least once, just to see them steal someone's Pokemon and get away with it to prove that they are still a threat. They Took a Level in Badass in the Best Wishes series, and were even promoted. Jessie, James, and Meowth are able to pull off museum heists and sneak a train out of a highly monitored subway system with little trouble, but despite this Ash still beats them when it comes down to the wire. This can leave a bad taste after watching them spend 20 episodes preparing for one big event.
- Many fans of the The Prince of Tennis merrily bash the Seishun Gakuen aka Seigaku regulars as overpowered Gary Stus. Specially if they're fans of either Rikkaidai or Hyoutei, which are entire teams of Ensemble Darkhorses that border on Draco in Leather Pants.
- Puella Magi Madoka Magica:
- Kyubey is certainly a conniving, manipulative rat who earns his Love to Hate status, but despite his deplorable methods there are people who support his goals. After all, he's only trying to save the universe.
- Many of the witches - especially Gertrude, Charlotte, Oktavia, and Walpurgisnacht - have massive fandoms, to the point you have people seriously arguing that a mindless, murderous Eldritch Abomination is cute. In Charlotte's case she became a secondary character, as of Rebellion.
- The ending of Rebellion is deliberately ambiguous as to whether it's a good thing or a bad thing, but even those who acknowledge that it could be bad find it hard not to side with Akuma Homura, since she won Madoka, brought everyone back to life, and gained full control of Incubator infrastructure.
- Record of Lodoss War has some divergences between the OVA, novels and other series but the basic plot stays the same. While at first it might look like your regular band of good guys fighting against an evil empire called Marmo who has set out to conquer all of the continent of Lodoss, it quickly shows to be much deeper. The entire land is cursed from having been the seat of the climatic battle between the Goddess of Creation and the Goddess of Destruction, and a small part of it, Marmo, is twice accursed and plagued with monsters from being the latter Godess's final resting place. Sure, the side looks stereotypically evil, being populated with a few humans and dark elves, with hordes of monsters under it's control. But their king, Beld, was a mercenary from Marmo and one of the legendary heroes who saved Lodoss by defeating the Demon King years prior. Beld claimed the demon's sword, Soulcrusher, as his reward only to be slowly influenced by its dark whisperings. His general, Lord Ashram, despite being introduced as a deadly and cold-hearted killer, proves to be a man of unfailing duty and loyalty to his king, with honor and a heart. Amidst prophecies of doom, attempted resurrections of dormant forces of destruction and a powerful witch who manipulates all factions behind the scenes out of the certitude that any side winning would upset the balance of Lodoss and cause it's doom, we get to realize that things are not so black and white. In the end, internal factions with hidden agendas and manipulative betrayers aside, the people of the Empire of Marmo really just want to get out of the terrible hell-hole that is their land and finally live in peace and safety.
- In season 3 of Shakugan no Shana, many fans started supporting the Crimson Denizens instead of the Flame Hazes once war broke out between the two. Considering that the final light novel reveals Snake of the Festival Yuji and his Crimson Denizen followers not only win, but were absolutely right in believing that their dream of a paradise where Denizens and humans coexist could work and would not destroy the world, this is one of those occasions where Rooting For The Empire is supported by canon.
- Space Battleship Yamato 2199 dips into this territory, showing the Gamilas fleet battling against the Comet Empire (the Big Bads of the original series' second season), and the revelation that Earth fired first in an unprovoked attack. On the other hand, it also shows some total bastards on the Gamilas side, with one episode showing the bombardment of a rebellious planet and the strafing of refugees fleeing population centers.
- Valkyria Chronicles really makes many of the Imperial characters more likable than the Gallian High Command (i.e. anyone above Varrot save for Cordelia). True, this was present in the game, but the Adaptation Expansion of Selvaria (already a likable Anti-Villain), Jaeger (an even more likable Anti-Villain), and Gregor (still as much of an asshole as ever, but compared to his Gallian counterpart Damon he's actually seen as far more competent and more genuinely deserving of respect by comparison), the Imperials look far better in terms of characterization than the Gallian Regulars, who, much like the game counterparts, treat the real heroes (Welkin Gunther and Squad 7) like crap. This is averted, however, with Maximilian, who is an even more obvious Jerkass than his game counterpart.
- Yatterman is better known for the three main villains than it is for the main heroes. In many ways the villains were the more focused part of the show.
- It's easy to root for the Dark Egg Legion in Archie Comics' Sonic the Hedgehog. They do take orders from Eggman, but they aren't completely evil, and most of their members seem to be regular Mobians, bar the cybernetics. Given that the heroes are headed by Sonic, who can be a bit of a jerkass, and the Kingdom of Acorn, an incredibly ineffectual monarchy that can barely function, it's no wonder. And they're the only group in the world who don't actively despise technology. A great example is the Great Desert DEL. They were turned into mindless Robian mooks thanks to Unwilling Roboticisation and forced to fight the Sand Blasters, an extremist group of Freedom Fighters. After being turned back into Mobians, they tried to make peace with the Sand Blasters, but where instead hit with Fantastic Racism for being former Robians. In order to survive, they went to Eggman for help, who legionized them. When The Baron, leader of the Great Desert DEL, was confronted about this by his niece, hero Bunnie Rabbot D'Coolette, he responded that being in the DEL isn't so bad. Being legionized means cybernetic upgrades, which in turn make for an awesome health plan, as The Baron pointed out, when he thanked legionization for fixing his "bum knee". He also mentioned something about D'Coolette's being oppressors, which insinuates Fantastic Racism within the Kingdom, making them look even worse.
- Doctor Doom has gotten this in a big way, and partly due to his Memetic Badass status in the fandom, and neither one is all that unjustified; Doom usually is that badass, and Reed Richards has a notorious history of being a total prick rather frequently. Warren Ellis gave Marvel 2099 a grand send-off by letting Doom take over the USA. It worked... right up until the politicians broke out the WMDs they had previously been too scared to use. Ellis points out that the basis of Doom's megalomania is that he truly believes that the world would be better off under his rule so he could protect and provide for it with the fruits of his genius without interference. And in canon Marvel, Doom has turned Latveria into a Gothic Dubai while Reed Richards Is Useless.
- Fables does a pretty decent job of openly asking whether those in Fabletown should have been rooting for the empire; Gepetto committed horrifying atrocities but ruled an empire where most inhabitants lived in peace and also imprisoned a lot of frightfully powerful evil beings that as of the fall of his reign have begun to escape. On the other hand, it seems pretty clear that us mundies would definitely be getting the short end of the genocidal stick if Gepetto had taken over our world.
- Cobra from G.I. Joe and to a lesser extent Hydra from Marvel Comics. Both present modern society as corrupt and self-serving and should be fought against. They do make good points except both organizations are much, much worse. Join or die was Cobra SOP at one point.
- Sinestro in Green Lantern has been getting some attention in this manner recently, mainly due to him being a very charismatic villain and his arguments against the Guardians being too involved with their mysteries and prophecies to do an effective job policing the cosmos.
- Grant Morrison once discussed how it's easy to do this for Lex Luthor in an interview:
"It's essential to find yourself rooting for Lex, at least a little bit, when he goes up against a man-god armed only with his bloody-minded arrogance and cleverness."
- Magneto is prone to this also, given his genuine concern for the future of all mutants and his experiences in Auschwitz, and how often humanity is shown to treat mutants absolutely horribly; when written well, you almost want the X-Men to lose, if only just this once. The same cannot be said for the Ultimate Marvel version; it doesn't take long to wish for the bastard's head on a pike.
- In the larger Marvel Universe, while fans may sympathize with the heroes and still want to see them succeed, the All of the Other Reindeer way the ordinary citizens treat their heroes has rubbed so many readers the wrong way that they almost want to see the Ungrateful Bastards get killed by the villains for being such dicks to the people who keep risking their lives for them. One issue features Cyclops, possessed by the Phoenix and in the process of going quite mad, giving a little "Why do we even bother saving these people?" speech, and while the intent of the scene was to show his slowly-deteriorating mental state numerous fans found themselves nodding along with him. During a JLA/Avengers crossover The Avengers find themselves in Metropolis, stop a crime, and are mobbed by people wanting their autographs, cheering and thanking them. They are stunned when this happens and can't believe ordinary people would treat superheroes as, well, heroes and are suspicious that the JLA are overlords and the people are Rooting for Their Empire out of fear.
- Star Wars: Legacy plays with this, due to its Black and Gray Morality. For the most part the two main Big Bads, the Sith and The Empire have made major reforms. The Sith, while still quite evil, have abandoned many of their old ways in favor of working together as one (one even saves another's life after spending the whole issue arguing, because "We are Sith"), plus they have Evil Is Sexy on their side. While The Empire is now a force of good in the Galaxy and most of its anti-nonhuman ways are behind them. The Republic has been reduced to a handful of planets and ships whose only act in the comics have been a stealing a Sith Super Prototype which the Empire had already rigged with bombs so it would look like a malfunction causing the Sith to blame the Mon Calamari (who aided the Republic) and declare war (meaning genocide). The Jedi, while still good, are back to being a Hidden Elf Village to a point where they refused to aid the Mon Calamari. The main character, last of the Skywalkers, is a total Jerkass just looking out for himself (and abusing his powers) as a result of being sick of all the But Thou Must his family (as Force ghosts) and fellow Jedi have been ramming down his throat.
- The Exile of Super Dinosaur has a sympathetic backstory, and though he does intend to conquer the world, it is to save his people from his brothers tyranny and forced isolation, rather than a lust for power. Then you get the obnoxious Kid Hero not only rubbing out his shot at liberating his people, but smugly taunting him about it.
- In Superior Spider-Man, quite a lot of fans are starting to root for any supervillain who's against Spider-Man ( aka. Doctor Octopus in Spider-Man's body, which he has stolen) due to his increasingly amoral behavior. At first this was just the fans, but as the comic continues it seems to be intentional. Helped by the fact that most of said supervillains are of the Ineffectual Sympathetic Villain variety or are really cool. This has ultimately boiled down to watching the Goblin King and his army tearing down everything Otto had built up.
- The Marvel event World War Hulk had most readers rooting for the Hulk, mainly because of all the crap The Illuminati put him through. It even happened in the story with many bystanders siding with the Hulk. Another major factor was the events of Civil War. It's hard to root for the heroes when they've forced all superhumans to work solely for the government, enslaving, imprisoning, and killing everyone who disobeys. It even leaked into Secret Invasion, with some readers hoping that the Skrulls would manage to conquer Earth and enslave the muggle population to teach them a thing or two about freedom. While the Skrulls didn't win, this led to Dark Reign with Norman Osborn as head cop, with some fans rooting for Osborn and his Dark Avengers, which was even Marvel's top selling book month after month during its run.
- The Conversion Bureau: Even though the Human Liberation Front are often depicted as terrorists, the deck being so stacked against them and the blatant Moral Myopia of the ponies makes the HLF easy to sympathise with. They're xenocidal racists, but so are their enemies.
- Dungeon Keeper Ami:
- An interesting, and averted case for Mercury. Nearly all the forces of good fear and hate the Dark Empress, who is actually an outside context hero with phenomenally poor public relations.
- Keeper Mukrezar, Ami's foil, plays this trope very straight: he's hammy, he's funny, he's as inventive and fast-thinking as Mercury and it's tons of fun watching him backstab and manipulate his own 'allies'.
- A major part of the Firebird Trilogy of Harry Potter stories. This heavy AU world features two antagonists; Voldemort and the Sabbat. Voldemort, who is worse than he is in canon (Prone to messing with Harry's head with images of possible, happy homes he could have had, turning Cedric into a human bomb, being an immense He-Man Woman Hater) has a ton of fans who want Harry to join him. This is less because he is a nice guy and more because the other bad guys, the Sabbat, are far, far worse, and actually ended up creating Voldemort.
- My Little Unicorn: The story is meant as a revenge fic against My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic, centering around ponies in another dimension and/or in space, fighting off an evil sorcerer without The Power of Friendship and therefore being superior to the cast of the original show. Many readers actually wished to see the bad guy win, just so that the main characters (consisting of one dimensional Mary Sues) get their asses kicked.
- The natural consequence of most Mary Sue stories (with the obvious exception of Villain Sue) is this trope. Even if the bad guy eats babies, readers tend to root for them out of sheer spite, on the off-chance that Moonbeam Potter Swan might get her stupid face punched in. And if they don't eat babies, then hoo boy...
- In Pages Of Harmony Twilight Sparkle, like Light Yagami, becomes a Knight Templar who believes that Utopia Justifies the Means. Despite her crossing the Moral Event Horizon in order to try to attain her goal of complete Harmony, it reached a point where there were almost more people wanting to see Twilight win, despite her killing her friends and wanting to eliminate anyone without the right traits.
- In the North Korean propaganda-fest that is Squirrel and Hedgehog (although the animation was done by a foreign company, probably Chinese), the creators went a little too far in making the Americans (as Savage Wolves no less) badass. Just... take a look. A YouTube commenter summed it up pretty well:
Protip: When attempting to make effective propaganda, having your arch enemy appear as a badass wolf with glowing eyes, sinister voice and his own laser techno-plane while having your troops look like effeminate squirrels and ducks that constantly cry is not a good idea. Hey, did those wolves just fire laser machineguns?! AWESOME.
Films — Animated
- Many FernGully watchers sympathize with Hexxus, who for the record is the incarnation of pollution in a heavily Anvilicious cartoon about how life is precious and pollution evil. He's an abomination whose end game is to kill all life, but that's what you get for casting Tim Curry as your main villain and utterly forgettable main characters otherwise (save for comic relief Batty).
- It's hard to root for the titular character of Hercules, simply because the protagonists are so whitebread. Hades, by contrast, is one of the best Disney villains ever and the most entertaining character in the movie, and fans of the original mythology would likely root for him even harder.
- A few viewers of Disney's The Little Mermaid found the sly, manipulative Ursula a lot more likable than the naive, impulsive protagonist Ariel, or her overprotective, human-hating father King Triton, and were rooting for her to actually win the deal and conquer Atlantica.
- In The Hunchback of Notre Dame, the reason Frollo was made into such a monster was because Disney was trying to avoid this Trope. (It had happened so many times before.) Didn't work.
- Many viewers of A Troll in Central Park find the antagonists, Queen Gnorga and Llort, far more likable than the largely cloying protagonists Stanley, Gus and Rosie, thanks in part to how hammy and over the top their acting is.
- Deliberately invoked in Wreck-It Ralph as a central theme to the film. The antagonists of various video games are presented as Punch Clock Villains who participate in an AA-style support group to help one another with the daily realities of being reviled as evil. The titular character is a 30 year industry veteran who is treated as a pariah in his own game and has gotten sick of being relegated to living in a dump and ignored while the other characters of the game celebrate with one another.
Films — Live-Action
- Many of the characters in Alienł were rapists, murderers or generic criminal scum. They were so unlovable that you just didn't care if they lived or died, especially as waves of pre-release criticism meant everyone knew the series was past the point of no return anyway (in the Assembly Cut, an inmate named Junior attempts to rape Ripley with a group of other prisoners, then looks at her sympathetically later when the eponymous creature corners him). It was hard not to whisper "Come on, get 'im!" or "Go on, eat your dinner!" whenever the alien cornered an inmate.
- Avatar, due to its Anvilicious Green Aesop gets a lot of backlash against the Na'vi and for RDA. Especially concerning Colonel Quaritch; see the Colonel Badass page.
- Those unfortunate enough to watch Bio-Dome cheered when the scientists decided to lock Pauly Shore and Stephen Baldwin's characters inside the Bio-Dome to die.
- Batman films:
- The TV series was already known for its colorful villains so when it came time to do The Movie, the big draw was that Batman had to face the four most popular villains from the series.
- The Tim Burton and Joel Schumaucher films all had a great deal of hype surrounding who the villains would be and who would be playing them. In fact, the villain roles often went to bigger stars such as Jack Nicholson, Michelle Pfeiffer, Jim Carrey, Arnold Schwarzenegger, and Uma Thurman.
- Batman Begins avoided this with the first film since it was promoted as a return to the big screen for Batman while his villains were given little fanfare (and this one technically had four villains from the comics). The Dark Knight invoked this trope considerably due to 1) The Joker returning to the big screen 2) Another actor in the iconic role made famous by Jack Nicholson and Ceaser Romero 3) Heath Ledger passing away shortly after the movie was completed. Ledger became the first actor in history to win an Oscar (albeit posthumously) for playing a character in a film adaptation of a comic, although Al Pacino, Paul Newman, and William Hurt had all previously been nominated.
- Who isn't rooting for Castor Troy in Face/Off? Craziness aside, he stops his own bomb, is friendlier with Archer's FBI agents, and pretty much becomes a significantly better husband and father to Eve and Jamie and even beats up a boyfriend who tries to rape Jamie.
- In Ferris Bueller's Day Off, the principal is only trying to prove to the world that Ferris is a truant, pathological liar who neither deserves the endless praise he gets nor should be allowed to skip school whenever he feels like it. Even though the principal goes a bit too far in trying to prove the truth about Bueller, it is easy to sympathize with the man's desire to finally bring a Karma Houdini down. Alternatively it isn't so much rooting for the principal (who is kind of a jerk) as rooting against Ferris (who is just as much of a jerk, and annoyingly smug to boot).
- Happens with G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra as a result of part Baroness in Tight Asshugging Leather Pants, part dislike of the comparatively flat characters of the Joes.
- Godzilla has always been cheered and supported even when he is a destructive antagonist. However, this is best exemplified in the film Godzilla, Mothra, King Ghidorah: Giant Monsters All-Out Attack! when Godzilla is made into a demonic, malevolent force fighting against the "good monsters" Baragon, Mothra, and King Ghidorah. Guess who the fans were cheering for the most. However this was the first and only instance of a genuinely evil Godzilla, and he hadn't exactly done anything other, more neutral incarnations hadn't. It didn't help that of the three "Good" monsters, two of them were the villains in their previous appearances. Even when Godzilla is evil, cheering him on against King Ghidorah is instinct.
- In Godzilla (2014), this can certainly happen with the Mutos, for the sheer reason that they're the ones who drive the plot. They're badass, almost take Godzilla down, and their main goal is simply to reunite with each other. Aside from them, we have one interesting human character who only lasts half an hour, his son, who is seen by many as flat and uninteresting, and Godzilla himself, who gets sparse screentime compared to the Mutos, to the point that he's effectively a secondary character in his own movie.
- Green Lantern, where the hero is a lazy, irresponsible, egotistical jerkass, and the villain, a smart, responsible, shy man who's been bullied by his father his entire life. Things get ridiculous when you take into account that the hero becomes more responsible and down-to-earth while the villain goes Ax-Crazy and and murders his own father... in both cases jumpstarted by alien influences beyond their control! Had their places been swapped...
- Sometimes happens with the shark in Jaws. Mostly due to Rule of Cool - and also the shark being on its own against three better equipped human protagonists, which just doesn't seem fair. Spielberg admitted that when he read the book, he disliked the characters so much he wanted the shark to win. It's one of the reasons he applied some Adaptation Distillation.
And then there are those who react against the Jaws syndrome, and the fact that in Real Life for every human killed by a shark in any given year for the past several decades, millions of sharks are killed by humans - that's over six degrees of magnitude, and is slowly driving many shark species (who as apex predators aren't that numerous compared to most marine wildlife) to extinction.
- Try not to cheer for Jet Li in the fourth Lethal Weapon movie.
- Man of Steel: Some found Zod to be a much more sympathetic and developed character than Superman himself despite his crossings into the Moral Event Horizon. This could be attributed to Michael Shannon's emotional portrayal of him, showing how dedicated he is to follow his fate as Krypton's top warrior. Especially his justification for his actions- he was literally born to be a warrior and protect Krypton and its citizens, no matter what. His Villainous Breakdown towards the end, where he claims that Superman has taken his soul by destroying any hope of rebuilding Krypton, definitely helped cement this.
- A literal case: Roland Emmerich's The Patriot went out of its way to make the British look like smug, elitist borderline Nazis, but eventually crossed a point where one couldn't take their evil deeds seriously anymore, and all that was left was a fairly competent army with posh accents, English elegance and smart red uniforms, led by Lucius Malfoy In Riding Pants, duking it out with a Ragtag Bunch Of ideologically confused guerillas led by Mel Gibson. The scenes of the British marching onto the battlefield under the tune of The British Grenadiers has been the subject of dozens of YouTube tribute videos.
- Pirates of the Caribbean:
- Given that they're in the title and all the focus is on them, the fans can be forgiven for cheering for the pirates and wanting them to win. While granted most of them are Loveable Rogues and very little piracy is actually shown, they are still pirates, who weren't exactly cuddly.
- There are quite a few people who sympathize with The East India Trading Company. Many of their fans forget that Beckett fighting against pirates wasn't Order Versus Chaos, it was removing the competition, as he did a lot of piracy and murder himself.
- The film's writers mention they intentionally wrote Captain Barbossa as an Anti-Hero throughout the first movie, given his singular goal is to end the ten-year-long curse that has plagued him and his crew. Throughout the film they wanted to give the audience the impression that despite being the antagonist, he might not actually be a bad guy. This is why Barbossa's scene where he explains the torment of the curse to Elizabeth was constantly being rewritten and added to by both the writers and Geoffrey Rush to get it perfect. It definitely shows. When he shouts to his crew in a later scene that their punishment has been "disproportionate to [their] crime," it's hard to disagree.
- The implied morality of Pleasantville made a lot of people angry, and not just because the film turned the 1950s - a time period beloved by many - into a Straw Decade. It's bad enough that the townspeople are made to look ridiculous during the first half of the movie; in the second half, they're suddenly portrayed as villains for their cultural intolerance and their bullying of characters who turn from black-and-white to color, even though from their perspective they're just threatened citizens defending their town against subversive foreign infiltrators who by all logic shouldn't be there in the first place - and, for that matter, are apparently infecting people with a mysterious sexually-transmitted disease that is permanently disfiguring its victims. And it's forgivable to feel the overwhelming urge to punch out Jennifer (Reese Witherspoon): in addition to being really smug and obnoxious, she is a hypocrite, waxing self-righteous when the townspeople riot when she is almost totally responsible for everything that's happening. For not only did she corrupt the sexual mores of the citizens who turn to color, but she literally Taught Anger to the black-and-white townspeople: they didn't even have the capacity for hatred before she came along, and she infected them with her own bigotry (calling them "nerds", for example, even if it was behind their backs). Eventually the residents of Pleasantville calm down and become more accepting, and Jennifer realizes she has her own flaws she needs to correct, but the cost of the town having to give up its original culture (regardless of how boring and backward that culture may appear to us) seems pretty harsh, making Jennifer appear to be an arrogant imperialist.
- Psycho—Picture the scene and pretend you don't know the big twist ending. Norman Bates has come across his new tenant, dead in the shower. He realizes his crazy mother has gone over the edge and killed someone. So, poor, devoted Norman gathers up the body, places it in the trunk of the woman's car, and tries to sink the vehicle into the swamp beside his run down motel. The audience collectively cringes every time a car drives by as Norman sneaks around,-and gasps in horror with Norman as the car seems to get stuck half-way in the bog...but no, it slowly sinks completely into the mud. Norman has gotten away with it! And a second later, the audience remembers what Norman has gotten away with: hiding a murder victim to protect his deranged mother's murder. Alfred Hitchcock was truly a master of this- he could easily manipulate his audience into Rooting for the Empire, hoping the villain doesn't get caught … and turn around and slap them back to their senses. The sequel takes this trope and runs with it, portraying Bates as a man struggling with severe mental illness and genuinely trying to become a better human being.
- For people who watch Red Dawn (1984) for comedic (or drunk party) purposes, rooting for the reds naturally follows. John Milius did go to some lengths to humanize many of the villains we see, showing a group of young Russian soldiers goofing off and taking pictures together before the Wolverines ambush them and making the Cuban officers outright sympathetic. Meanwhile, the Wolverines find themselves resorting to increasingly cold-blooded measures as the struggle wears them down. When people complain about the strict "good vs. evil" dichotomy of the movie, it usually means they didn't actually watch it.
- Enforced via marketing with Small Soldiers, a film about a robotic squad of toy soldiers (the Commando Elite) gaining sentience and trying to kill a group of equally sentient robotic toy aliens (the Gorgonites)...along with the human family that's protecting them. Unfortunately for the Gorgonites, the film's marketing focused almost entirely on the Commando Elite and how awesome they are even though they're supposed to be the villains. The real life toy line put more of a focus on the Commando Elite as well. In the movie, the Commando Elite were created to be the good guys and the Gorgonites were an existing concept repurposed to be the villains, before they switched roles early on.
- Many fans who watched Stargate Continuum seem to love the idea of Ba'al ruling Earth and secretly wished he'd won, probably because he promised a benevolent governance. It's open for debate how sincere he was. While he certainly didn't want to destroy Earth like all the other Goa'uld, there's a very real possibility he just wanted to covertly take over Earth without having to fight humanity forever, and he'd make them all slaves in the long run anyway.
- Starship Troopers. A lot of people were rooting for the Bugs. In the first movie, this might have been the filmmakers' intention, but in the sequels the Federation were supposed to be the good guys (or at least the lesser evil) and audiences still found a bunch of giant cockroaches to be more sympathetic. If you're reading the subtext that the Federation are Villain Protagonists, it becomes Rooting For The Empire regardless of which side you're rooting for.
- Star Trek: Insurrection: The Federation are considered by many (including some members of the cast) to have had very good reasons for trying to force the Bak'u off the planet to study the anomaly, and they were consistently willing to use non-lethal methods to do so. Plus, the Bak'u are just so damn smug and insufferable.
- Star Trek Into Darkness:
- Despite its writers' Anvilicious attempts to decry militarization and aggression, quite a few people ended up rooting for Alexander Marcus and his goal in militarizing Starfleet for a war against the Klingon Empire. Seemingly, Marcus' only detraction is that he went about it in the manner of a standard General Ripper, to the point that he brought Khan, an infamous genetically engineered warlord that nearly took over the Earth long ago, out of cold storage to utilize as a slave (thinking he could actually control Khan), as well as attempted to purposely start said war with the Klingons (using the oblivious crew of the Enterprise to do so no less, and planning to kill them) as opposed to letting it happen naturally.
- On the flipside, John Harrison/Khan gets a lot of this due to his sympathetic motivations to save his crew from Marcus. Throw in Benedict Cumberbatch's charismatic performance, stylish threads, booming voice and we've got a full blown example here.
- Star Wars is the Trope Namer:
- A poll on fansite StarDestroyer.net shows that 70 percent of the participants on that forum think that the Galactic Empire wasn't that bad a place to live (if you were human). This trope was the reason the celebration clips were added to the end of Return of the Jedi in the Special Edition, to show the rest of the galaxy was actually happy that Palpatine fell.
- With Attack of the Clones, Lucas had this happen intentionally: the movie introduces the sympathetic Clonetroopers, who save the Jedi and rout the movie's villains. Then comes the finale, and the movie reminds that the watchers had been rooting for what will become The Empire by giving them the Imperial March as score.
- In the prequels, many fans and writers agree with the Separatists and side with them over the Republic. What we see of the Republic is blindingly ineffectual and horrifically corrupt (Mega Corps have Senators), the Jedi Council are a bunch of tradition-obsessed unelected religious zealots, and both are apparently not above using Tyke Bombs and Child Soldiers (14-year old Jedi Padawans leading battalions of 10 year oldnote clone troopers), leading to Black and Gray Morality at best. The Opening Narration for Revenge of the Sith outright states that "there are heroes on both sides."
- Street Fighter cast Jean-Claude Van Damme as Guile and Raul Julia as M. Bison. The first turns in a bland, carbon-cut performance of the typical action film star. Julia, meanwhile, is a wonderfully hammy and entertaining supervillain who's often credited as what makes the film watchable. Who also died shortly after the film was completed. By the end of the film, you want to see him Take Over the World.
- Thor: Sure, Loki tries to commit genocide — but he's such a Woobie along the way that a lot of people feel sorry for him. It got more intense when The Avengers rolled around, despite him becoming outright nuts. After the death of Frigga he gets even more sympathy especially since he's not allowed to attend her funeral.
- Tucker & Dale Vs. Evil: This is the base premise through a trope inversion of Hillbilly Horrors. The two rednecks who live in the woods are the nice guys and the Too Dumb to Live teenagers who automatically assume them to be slasher villains are the villains themselves.
- The Wizard:
- Lucas Barton can actually pull off using the Power Glove. His picture used to be the image on the film's page here, and Spoony believes he was cheated out of his victory at the end.
- The "villain" is a guy who finds lost and runaway kids and returns them to their parents. That monster! Okay, so he is portrayed as rather a Jerkass (who doesn't want the boy's father to find him first so he can get paid). But one of the "heroic" characters (a very underaged girl) causes a distraction at one point by accusing him of molesting her in a crowded room, potentially getting him arrested and branded a sex offender, all so that she and her friends can escape being taken home. And the boy's father goes out of his way to stop the guy, even trashing his truck at one point. It all seems like Disproportionate Retribution.
- In Stephen King's The Dark Tower The Good Man, John Farson, while presented to be the bad guy (and actually turns out to be Randal Flagg at one point- and then, in later books, not) is shown to be leading a proletariat rebellion for democracy against the clearly Feudalistic system Roland and the other gunslingers seem to be rooting for. This is partly a side-effect of Farson being The Ghost in the novels, so we don't really learn a whole lot about him. The comic book prequels go out of their way to subvert this and when we finally meet Farson he is power-hungry but happens to be a popular and charismatic leader, and his free and democratic society is really shaping up to be a People's Republic of Tyranny with himself as dictator.
- Some folks actually wouldn't have minded seeing Dracula actually beat the main characters. The book goes out of it way to make vampirism seem like the worst thing in the world, but outside the inhuman hunger for blood, receiving the powers of the night and immortality didn't seem like a bad trade-off. Well, at least for themselves; other people might not be so happy with the "being drained of blood" thing.
- There have been a number of works riffing off this to the point of making Dracula the hero, such as Fred Saberhagen's Dracula Tapes.
- Many people find that Magnificent Bastard, Senna Wales of Everworld is more entertaining a character than the heroes.
- Many fans of the book Fallen wanted Cam to win and hated main characters Daniel and Luce.
- Gone: Sociopath Big Bad Caine, Manipulative Bitch Diana and Ax-Crazy sadist Drake all have legions of fans. Hardly anyone likes Sam, The Hero.
- Hannibal Lecter of the books just wants to stop the plague of cruel assholes ruining things for everyone. Commendable, except for his methods (and the innocent folks who are maimed or die simply for getting in his way).
- Harry Potter:
- A lot of fans bash the main characters, and Gryffindor House in general, because of the author's prejudice against Slytherin House, who they view as cultured and urbane in comparison to the crude, bullying Gryffindor jocks. In a slightly different perspective, they recognize most of Slytherin is evil, but criticize the author for making them so, especially considering their defining trait is "ambition", which any normal eleven-year-old would have oodles of ("I wanna be a ninja/astronaut/actor/doctor/lawyer!"). So, to rebel, they generally ignore the fact that Slytherin sucks, and reinterpret them in the fandom to make a more realistic picture of cunning and ambition. In an interview on Mugglenet Rowling defended Slytherin and said "they are literally not all bad [people]". The problem is that they are never shown in the actual books to be anything other than Jerk Asses and Voldemort supporters, which might indicate Rowling has some Rooting For The Empire of her own.
- Individually, fans started to dislike Harry's irritable nature more and more after Order of the Phoenix. This contributed to increased favouritism of Draco, which JK Rowling admitted to disliking; she was a bit disturbed that people didn't like the hero and preferred Draco. She even admitted to punishing/exaggerating Draco and the Slytherins where she could to counteract it (which naturally just increased resentment that led some readers to prefer the villains in the first place).
- Some people just genuinely wanted the Death Eaters to win the war. Perhaps because they deemed the dark characters to be more interesting, or because the ideology seemed rational, or because they might believe the whole series had an annoyingly Black and White Morality and was a tad too Anvilicious. Or simply because Evil Is Cool.
- Dumbledore starts out as Harry's kind, grandfatherly, somewhat kooky mentor, but in the later books, more things about his past and his agenda regarding Harry and the war are revealed, which leaves him more in the Manipulative Bastard category. This has left a lot of fans in the somewhat awkward position of liking Harry just fine and rooting for him, while simultaneously greatly preferring Voldemort over Dumbledore.
- Honor Harrington:
- The Kingdom becomes The Empire, but are really now The Federation with feudal trappings. The Republic of Haven goes the entire gamut though, from The Empire by any other name to People's Republic of Tyranny under a Reign of Terror to the Restored Republic, giving viewpoint characters to root for and against the entire time. Noticeable in that few civil foes in Manticore get a full viewpoint, while all Haven viewpoint characters, no matter where on the moral line, are given a full viewpoint including motivations. This may have been intentional, as Haven has undergone a slow Heel-Face Turn for some time now. Now that Haven and Manticore have allied against Mesa, Haven are officially the good guys, and rooting for them is expected.
- This is also partly due to the authors particular writing style. As a professional military historian he is always careful to portray the tragedy of the war by humanizing both sides, which leads to over all Grey and Gray Morality and sympathetic enemies. When portraying the domestic politics of Manticore, however, he tends to write it as full of straw men for his main character to beat up, causing the Star Kingdom to come off as less sympathetic than the balanced and nuanced Peoples Republic. This only really starts to change around book ten, when readers are introduced to Catherine Montaigne (the first good Liberal we've ever met) and Michael Oversteegen (the first good Conservative we've ever met). From that point on, both parties, which are in opposition to the heroine's Centrist party (and the Crown Loyalists, who are basically de facto Centrists because the Queen is), become much more well-rounded, and the heroine herself is able to recognize and respect the validity of many of their points while still disagreeing with them on certain matters.
- The Hatedom has a slight tendency to do this with the Solarian League, partly as a counter-reaction to the League's somewhat inconsistent characterization as either a very loose confederation or a nigh-totalitarian bureaucratic empire, and partly as a result just plain finding Manticore's constant development of new warfare-toys that revolutionizes warfare annoying by that point in the series.
- The Hunger Games fandom has no shortage of fans who prefer the Career tributes to Katniss and Peeta, finding them equally sympathetic (or even more so), considering that they have been brainwashed and bred since birth to kill other kids in a horrific child murder reality show.
- In the Hush, Hush series, the archangels are written as being extremely unfair, because they threaten to throw Patch into Hell if he pursues a relationship with Nora. The trouble is, Patch is written as an arrogant idiot who spends his days gambling and groping Nora, not showing the slightest inclination to actually do his job. As a result, the archangels come across as trying to get Patch to shoulder some responsibility. Add in the fact that Patch spent almost all of the first book stalking and assaulting Nora and the idea of him facing serious punishment sounds rather nice.
- Incredibly common in the Inheritance Cycle. The book concedes that most of the people living in The Empire are happy and at peace, giving the impression that if the Varden would just stop fighting everyone would be fine. And though the emperor is a douche, his evil actions all seem to be about fighting the Varden so, again, his rule would probably be much less tyrannical if the Varden didn't keep going at him. It doesn't help matters that the main character is widely considered to be a Designated Hero with a lot of Kick the Dog moments. Ultimately, the case seems to be more about an Anti-Hero being treated as The Hero, and about the setting's apparent Grey and Gray Morality being treated as Black and White Morality. For every morally questionable deed which the Evil Overlord commits, The Hero commits one in return. The Empire slaughters villages? Well, so does La Résistance, around Feinster. The Big Bad uses conscription? Well, La Résistance whips their own soldiers for doing the right thing, to such an extent that Badass Normal Roran seriously thought that a weaker man would die. The Empire tortures people and uses "true names" to force its soldiers to be loyal to it? Well, La Résistance wields chemical weapons.
- Many readers of the Left Behind series see the heroes as complete jerkasses, God as a psychopath and Nicolae as, at worst, an Ineffectual Sympathetic Villain.
- The Lord of the Rings:
- Alternate interpretations have the series as a highly biased account given by the real bad guys: the exiled Gondor and Elvish aristocracy, Spartanesque Rohan, and Hobbit mercenaries who destroyed the egalitarian revolutionary Sauron who united the oppressed peoples of Middle-earth. ("Of course, history does not record the savage suppression of the 'Steward's Rebellion' in Ithilien in the early Fourth Age...") The Orcs do resemble those offensive caricatures of trade union workers in early 20th century propaganda... One writer on cracked.com claimed Sauron was actually a good guy who never actually did anything bad in the Trilogy, and that the Orcs joined him willingly due to racism. These ideas ignore the fact at the beginning it is explicitly said Sauron wanted to conquer Middle-Earth brainwashing men into his undead slaves to do so and that the Orcs are clearly enslaved.
- Nűmenor. The lightbearer of the Humanity and Civilization, who crushed the Evil Empire of Sauron and broke the fetters of Valar and showed the Eldar where they can shove their immortality. Until Eru came and spoiled it all. Of course, the Nűmenorans had begun enslaving much of Middle-Earth at this time, which is why so many people hated the Kingdoms created by the refugees.
- In The Mortal Instruments, the designated heroes, the Shadowhunters, are descended from the angel Raziel—and pretty damn proud of it. They see themselves as above the very people they're supposed to protect: Downworlders (your werewolves, faeries, vampires, and such) and humans, otherwise known to Shadowhunters as Mundanes (or Mundies, if you want to get really ugly). Honestly, with this sort of Fantastic Racism, you'd probably get more love and respect from a demon disemboweling you and dragging your soul straight to Hell; at least demons are supposed to be cruel. To be fair, the Shadowhunters are called out on this all the time by everyone who isn't a Shadowhunter. The moral of the first 3 books is that the Downworlders aren't inherently evil and the Shadowhunters aren't inherently good and that they could save a lot more lives if they got over their differences and helped each other. Indeed, City of Glass ends with the Downworlders agreeing to help the Shadowhunters defeat Valentine in return for the Downworlders getting representation in the Shadowhunter's council.
- Satan from Milton's Paradise Lost, and the biggest reason why Satan Is Good exists in Western media. A case of Misaimed Fandom, as Milton was trying to make Satan a self-centred Jerk Ass with charming but hollow self-justifications for his behaviour, which really stemmed from him being an egotistical bastard too proud to accept how badly he screwed himself over. Part of it is that he never gave any reason that defying the wishes of God is bad, assuming his audience would give Him an Omniscient Morality License. The closest he comes is that He is simply unbeatable so rebellion is a waste of time, even though more angels than not joined the rebels.
- Looking at the Star Wars Expanded Universe as a whole, despite the various books that portray the Empire as fundamentally evil, there are also books that show that not all of its members are pure evil, and the Republic/Alliance as not all good (especially with all the Democracy Is Bad, Lawful Stupid and/or Obstructive Bureaucrats going around). Timothy Zahn is the most notable of the authors who do this; Grand Admiral Thrawn, while he is decidedly not a good person, is still portrayed as somewhat better than his predecessors (which is not that great an accomplishment), and there are fans who think the galaxy might have been better off with him alive. In the Hand of Thrawn duology, the Supreme Commander was reluctantly seeking peace with the New Republic, and by that point Pellaeon really couldn't be called one of the bad guys. Eventually, he became more or less completely Lawful Good, leading his Imperial Remnant into the Galactic Alliance, the government that succeeded the New Republic after the Yuuzhan Vong killed it. He even became supreme commander of their fleet. Which itself eventually became evil and a copy, more or less, of Palpatine's Empire, though Pellaeon realized this before it was too late, but a bridge fell on him before he could do anything about it (not that he didn't try).
- In his Sword of Truth book series, Terry Goodkind tries to avert this by making villains as repulsively evil as possible so that the Designated Heroes' tendency to Shoot the Dog doesn't make the audience turn on him. On the one hand, it means that the villains have all the odious habits that the heroes do, including the self-righteousness, and with extra rape (the only crime the heroes are not at some point guilty of) piled on top, but on the other hand, the heroes are the ones whose Kick the Dog moments we always get to see up close, while the villains' are usually just reported from afar.
- The three tracker vampires who are trying to kill Bella, which is seen by some as a sympathetic aim. Each is an Ensemble Darkhorse in their own right.
- The books put a lot of emphasis on the Volturi being a power-hungry dictatorship that ruthlessly oppresses the vampire world. The trouble is, the only restriction they apparently put on the vampires is to not be noticed by humans, which is given a reasonable justification (human technology could kill vampires) and very lightly limits the ability for a vampire to kidnap or kill a human. Word of God and the series also show that vampires are more or less animals if left to their own devices, so while their methods may not be lily-white, it makes it difficult to see the Volturi as the dictators the story wants them to be instead of a group of people who are trying to get some sort of order or structure to their world. Meyer tries to make the Volturi corruptness really apparent in Breaking Dawn when it's hammered in that they'll arrive to kill Renesmee and in no way listen to reason... only for them to bring witnesses, reasonably listen to evidence, and leave without killing anyone.
- The Dark Court of Wicked Lovely, while not completely evil, is far more loved than any of the others.
Live Action TV
- As in the Psycho example above Alfred Hitchcock Presents often presented stories in which the bad guy literally gets away with murder. The network made him add outros which indicated Crime Does Not Pay.
- As mentioned in the film section, one of the things the Batman series was best known for was the large variety of colorful villains. (In fact, some of them won Emmys.) And you couldn't hep but feel sorry for them sometimes, because they lost all the time (within three episodes at the most). Every once in a while, one of them (Catwoman, usually) would pull off a Karma Houdini, but it didn't happen often enough to make it something worth hoping for.
- A lot people were rooting for the Cylons in the new Battlestar Galactica as many found the human cast to be self-serving, self destructive assholes. While the series had Humans Are the Real Monsters pumping through its veins like blood, any portrayal of the humanoid Cylons themselves hinged on their being Not So Different from the humans (in terms of both bastardry and the potential to rise above their petty natures at times).
- The Big Bang Theory: Although not exactly a villain, Sheldon is portrayed as a childish, controlling, and demanding Insufferable Genius who can't address others without a tremendous amount of condescension. It doesn't stop many viewers from sympathizing with him, especially when his friends usually act much worse. That he has autism, Asperger's, or is otherwise neuroatypical generally helps. (Jim Parsons has stated he plays him as having Asperger's, for what it's worth.)
- Cole in Charmed was treated as an outright villain when he returned in season 5 despite wanting to be good. It was just that Phoebe suddenly decided it was his fault for everything bad that had happened to her, ignoring her own mistakes and refusing to take responsibility for her own actions in the previous season. Many fans felt she treated him unfairly and applauded when he punched her in an alternate reality and when she was killed off briefly in another episode. It didn't help that Phoebe got some really heavy Character Shilling in that season.
- Criminal Minds appears to know this trope well, as it's always careful to give its Sympathetic Murderers at least one genuinely-evil act to drive home the point that, yes, we should be rooting for them to be caught. Often the character is a revenge killer targeting only Asshole Victims who nevertheless kills someone unrelated to their revenge.
- This might sometimes happen in some episodes of CSI. Even murderers get some sympathy when from their point of view it's either running away or facing a Bolivian Army Ending. And the often brutal manners used by the police don't gain the "good guys" any extra points.
- In Deadwood, Seth Bullock is supposedly the main character trying to start a new life, but the show tends to focus on the more interesting Al Swearengen.
- Fatal Lessons: The Good Teacher. Who are the "heroes" of this popular Lifetime Movie of the Week? Four depressingly bland suburban numbskulls. And who is the villain? Smoking-hot babe Erika Eleniak (Shauni McClain from Baywatch). Evil Is Sexy plays a part, but what makes Eleniak's villain such a tempting character to root for is how astoundingly competent she is at everything. Besides being a goddess in human form, she's very Wicked Cultured, a scientific genius (creating poisons in her own private laboratory), a skilled hand-to-hand fighter... and she's even a better athlete on the ski slopes than anyone in the aforementioned suburban family she befriends (and then stalks). And on top of all that, she's an impressive Manipulative Bitch capable of getting you to believe anything. When she and the Mama Bear of the family finally square off in the end, there's a very good chance that Eleniak will win: she's disconnected the phone, she's tied up and drugged Dad (the only family member physically capable of subduing her), and she's kicking Mom's ass. In the end, she's defeated only by her own carelessness.
- Game of Thrones:
- Robb Stark is portrayed as a typical heroic noble, who is merely seeking justice for the wrongs committed against his family. Which seems fair enough, since between Cersei, Jamie, and Joffrey, the Lannisters were responsible for the deaths of many people whose only crime seemed to be getting in the way of Lannister plots in season one. But when you step back and really think about it, Robb Stark dragged on a war he was unlikely to win, resulting in the deaths of thousands of innocent people. Then the Red Wedding happened. One cannot help but feel sympathetic towards Tywin when he points out that murdering a small number of people brought about an early end to a destructive conflict which would have claimed the lives of many more. Robb even admits in season two that he has no endgame thought out. His plan seems to be simply to kill Joffrey and then presumably leave the south in complete chaos whilst he takes his family back home.
- In a broader sense, there are some fans who want the series to end with the utter destruction of Westeros at the hands of the Others, either because most of their favorite characters have been killed and the ones who are left are all horribly traumatized or corrupt, leaving no one for them to root for, or just because they see it as the logical conclusion to the story's bleak and pointless nature.
- Sylar from Heroes earns this for both Draco in Leather Pants, and being less prone to stupidity than the protagonists (not that he's immune to the Idiot Ball, of course). He is also one of the very few characters in the show who actually takes joy in having freaking super powers.
- While most of its American audience wouldn't be likely to root for Nazis, it could be said that most memorable and funniest characters in Hogan's Heroes were the antagonist German POW camp staff.
- Quite a few viewers want the magic users who fight against Camelot to win because they have justifiable reasons, and while honorable and sympathetic Arthur arguably does not measure up to what he's promised to be.
- Morgana and Morgause are curious examples. Morgana was presented as a good-natured and sometimes heroic character for the first two seasons but made an abrupt Face-Heel Turn between seasons 2 and 3, returning essentially as a pantomime villain without a trace of the original Morgana. As such fans rooted for her because a) they hoped she would eventually be redeemed and b) the writers appeared to have forgotten that she was previously good. Morgause got this because she was just so dang cool. Fans also leapt on the season 2 episode where she tried to kill Uther by putting everyone else in Camelot to sleep. However they also forgot that she had attempted to manipulate Arthur into murdering him in her previous appearance and that she was clearly trying to kill Uther for her own selfish desires rather than the good of the kingdom.
- Cendred, whom Morgause teams up is depicted somewhat sympathetically in the series. He seems to be a decent ruler who (unlike Camelot) can muster a huge army and is willing to retreat when it's clear the battle's lost. His relationship with Morgause is sweet and he only loses because of trusting her. Some fans found that they wished he had won.
- Mordred in Series 5. Despite everything he does to try and earn Merlin's trust and prove his loyalty to Camelot, Merlin's distrust and treatment of him based on what he's going to do in the future, eventually ends up becoming a Self-Fulfilling Prophecy and is part of the reason he's Driven to Villainy. In comparison, Merlin becomes increasingly unsympathetic as a Knight Templar and Well-Intentioned Extremist dedicated to protecting Arthur at any cost, even refusing the chance for magic to return to Camelot to instead try and ensure that Mordred dies.
- Mystery Science Theater 3000:
- It appears that fans of Once Upon a Time are in agreement that Queen Regina and Rumplestiltskin are the true stars of the show. This may be due to their genuinely sympathetic origins, and that Regina at least is a clear case of Evil Is Sexy.
- While many Power Rangers villains are ridiculously cool, Time Force's Ransik tends to particularly invite this reaction. Many fans see him as akin to the X-Men's Magneto, as a man violently lashing out against the government for wrongs done to his people, the mutants. The government has some rather creepy qualities, most notably promoting Designer Babies, with mutants being the result of this process going wrong and forced to live as second-class citizens. Also not helping the government's case is that they did actually turn out to be the villains in the source material, a plot point omitted from the adaptation but as such fairly easy for an enterprising fanfic author to write back in.
- Many Smallville fans rooted for the Luthors, even after Lex performed his inevitable Face-Heel Turn.
- Star Trek: Deep Space Nine:
- Some fans were rooting for the Maquis, seeing the Federation at fault for seceding their Colonies to the Cardassians without informing them first, then expecting the colonists to just up and move from their homes. Of course they were fighting back! Even high-ranking members of Starfleet and the Federation were sympathetic to the Maquis, so it's not like these fans were bucking convention with this.
- There's a certain group of Trekkies who find the Terran Empire preferable to the Federation. The reasons are standard: the Terran Empire (especially in Star Trek: Enterprise) is more "badass" than its "prime" universe counterpart, with the depicted characters usually being Magnificent Bastards and the ships being full warship variations of the originals (compare the ISS Enterprise (NX-01) to its prime version for an example), while the Empire being human-centric is a neat Shut Up, Kirk! (sorry couldn't resist) to the Federation's constant preaching of universal equality. Obviously none of these redeem the Terran Empire of its evilness, but as Spock put it, there's something refreshing about humans acting "brutal, unprincipled, uncivilized, treacherous" in a series overrun with Aesop morality.
- A lot of Reality TV contestants are loved by the viewers in spite of being (or because they are) manipulative and deceitful. For Survivor Manipulative Editing was used to create heroes and villains, who the audience is supposed to root for and against. It gets laid on so thick (and with so much Glurge) that the more cynical fans rebel. They assume that "what really happened" is the exact opposite of what was shown on-screen. An example is Jerri from Australia, who was portrayed as a Card-Carrying Villain, complete with Evil Laugh. The contrarian fans loved her and said that she was a real person who told it like it was, her enemies were hypocrites, and the editing was smearing her.
- True Blood:
- Just about any villain fighting against the vampires usually ends up being cheered on by fans of the show who feel that no matter what they do the vampires are much worse in comparison. The Fellowship of the Sun is played to look like religious fanatic terrorists, but at the same time the Vampires they hate actually do commit heinous murders, torture, and mind control, and do not respect or submit to human authority. Taking a step back from Bill and Godric, the only two vampires in the show with half a soul, and it's very difficult to tell who're the terrorists and who are the freedom fighters.
- The same held true for the Wiccans in Season 4, since they were basically humans fighting back. It took until Season 6 for the show to develop unambiguously dickish human antagonists.
- Some people who watch The Vampire Diaries root for Big Bad Klaus and The Dragon Elijah. This is partly because the show runs on Protagonist-Centered Morality to the point where the supposedly "good" characters are sometimes little better than the villains, often leaving the audience to simply side with whichever character entertains them the most. Moreover, antagonists such as Klaus and Katherine, despite being genuinely villainous, are given Freudian excuses and frequent enough Pet the Dog moments for the audience to sympathize with them to some extent.
- In the short-run (8 episodes) Wizards And Warriors series, the good guys were more-or-less the straight men of the ensemble, especially Prince Eric Greystone. His opposite number, Prince Dirk Blackpool, is so deliciously evil that he completely steals the show. It helps that he's played by Duncan Regehr. The evil wizard, Vector, also has a lot more audience appeal than the good wizard.
- 24 had this in the case of Jack Bauer for the final season. Kind of.
- 666 Park Avenue: Henry and Jane's characters are... not the best ones on the show, especially Henry.
- Dan Dare doesn't know it, but Bernie Taupin and Elton John like the Mekon.
Mythology and Religion
- Classical Mythology:
- The Amazons were villains whose intended purpose was to demonstrate the dangers in allowing women any power whatsoever, and were conquered by Heracles to show that women are always weaker than men. In later times, especially with the rise of feminism, they have been portrayed with increasing sympathy, most prominently with a certain very popular heroine.
- A number of people support the Titans over the Olympians. A case of Grey and Gray Morality, Cronus ate his kids, but is recorded as ruling over a Golden Age for mankind where humans lived without the need for toil, disease, or war. Then Zeus and a bunch of other Jerk Ass Gods came along, ended the Golden Age and introduced every cruelty they could think of. Many modern adaptions have to villainize the Titans (including often designing them as monsters) so you sympathize with the Olympians. The story of Prometheus is pretty much the prime example for this. Even most modern adeptions of Greek Mythology can't get around making him sympathic and portraying him as human looking.
- The New World Order were heels invading WCW, but were cool and popular heels that people enjoyed a great deal. Their popularity only lessened—or maybe splintered—when the group was split in two.
- In the example to top all examples, Bret Hart slowly became more and more evil after he returned to wrestling in 1996, feuded with "Stone Cold" Steve Austin, brutally beat him in a submission match at WrestleMania XIII, became a heel while Stone Cold became a face, and the entire nation of Canada supported him without hesitation. He was probably more popular in Canada after Wrestlemania XIII than before. His apology to every country but the U.S. after Wrestlemania XIII is one of the most brutally honest, deep promos ever done. And to this day, he's seen as a Canadian hero, the all Canadian face if you will. How strong was this? Until their retirements, Shawn Michaels and Vince McMahon were booed in Canada regardless of face heel status because of all the horrible things they did to Bret. It's surprising the man's not on the national flag.
- Lots of WWE fans were rooting for Randy Orton during his long feud with John Cena, even though Orton was portraying an unstable and sadistic sociopath. The reason for this was that Cena had amassed a sizable Hate Dom due to a growing consensus among smarks that he was an Invincible Hero who no-sold moves that he shouldn't have and that he only used five moves. They were sick of seeing Cena win all the time, and they wanted to see him beaten. Soon, there seemed to be as many fans cheering on Orton as there were cheering on Cena. Not surprisingly, Orton soon turned face... sort of. Ironically, Cena himself was this when he was a heel.
- People will often cheer for anyone John Cena faces in a feud. Which would be great if Cena were a heel, but audiences are so bored with his stale gimmick, generic promos, and formulaic matches that almost inevitably culminate in phoned in Five Moves of Doom, and mediocre "psychology", they pretty much default to cheering for whoever he is wrestling against. It doesn't help that he's always feuding with the top heels, who just look so much better than Cena by comparison. Punk was a much better talker with great psychology, Brock Lesnar is a much better worker and has Paul Heyman, God of the Heel Promo, to do his talking for him. Even though Lesnar and Heyman do everything that can to come off as Jerkasses, the audiences are pulling for them because they want to see Cena lose and go away.
- When Chris Jericho, as a heel, feuded with Cena for the WWE Title, he would talk about how he was there to save us from Cena. The crowd didn't know they weren't supposed to WANT to be saved from Cena, and cheered Jericho loudly. Jericho started calling them sycophantic idiots in an attempt to actually get heat, and they cheered Jericho loudly.
- Bray Wyatt, a retooled Husky Harris, came up with his stable, The Wyatt Family, as a smooth talking, somewhat unhinged cult leader going on about Sister Abigail, telling people to follow the vultures, and generally lynching random wrestlers as they saw fit. Combine his charisma, respectable wrestling ability, and very cool entrance, and his mugging of fan favorites, and he was very much over as a heel. Bray and his stable drew heat just like heels should. Then he began a feud with John Cena, and one would have thought he was the company's top face the way the audience agreed with every negative thing he said about Cena, and otherwise alternating cheering everything Bray did with chants of "CENA SUCKS." At this point, there's probably a raise and a medal in it for anyone who can feud with Cena and get heat away from Cena.
- CM Punk vs. Jeff Hardy is full of this. The bad guy in this was an anti-drug, straight edge guy who was better than you while the good guy was a guy who was fired from two companies because of his drug problems and lost his spot at the biggest show of the year because he could not keep his hands off the stuff. Overall, though, there was no reason to actually cheer for Jeff Hardy other than finding CM Punk to be an asshole—he was never really sorry for his past drug-abuse issues and he handwaved them off as just being rules that he chose not to follow because he was an "artist" and a "free-spirit." Then, you add that soon after leaving the WWE he was busted for drug trafficking, moved to TNA because of their lack of drug testing, and tried to headline a PPV while stoned out of his gourd, and Punk ends up looking like a Well-Intentioned Extremist.
- An interesting meta-example surrounding Triple H: He's amassed a large amount of X-Pac Heat from sheer nepotism (he's married to the head of Creative Development, who happens to be the boss's daughter). This leads to accusations of Spotlight-Stealing Squad, Creator's Pet, and he frequently gets Mis-blamed as the source of Executive Meddling to further his own self-serving ego. However, rumors are floating out that when he manages the shows instead of Vince McMahon, they're more relaxed and generally more pleasant, and Triple H tends to be more "with-it" in terms of pop culture while Vince thinks it's still The Eighties. This has led a lot of fans to (surprisingly) root for Triple H and hope that he begins to take a more involved role behind the scenes. Then he was made head of the talent department, and despite initial fears that he would push nothing but big men, his first acquisitions were the IWC favorite Awesome Kong and Masked Luchador Sin Cara and hyped them up with video packages like the wrestling days of yesteryear. Now many are looking forward to seeing what else Trips has in store for the talent department. On a more conventional level, Trips has always had his fans no matter how overt a Heel he is at the moment, because regardless of the nepotism issues, he's also legitimately talented in the ring and charismatic behind the mic.
- It's further helped Triple H's case that he has full control over WWE's developmental show NXT and a growing number of fans are claiming that show is currently of better quality than Raw, which Trips still has to deal with Vince's meddling in running. It seems likely that support for him will only grow after his recent appearance on Steve Austin's podcast, where he echoed a lot of things that fans have been clamoring for - that if it were all up to him, Raw would go back down to two hours and the women wrestlers would have more prominence.
- "The Wrestling Goddess" Athena was jokingly nicknamed "The Biggest Baby Face In SHIMMER" or had puns about her finishing move, O-face, since the audience tended to roar in approval at her victories, no matter how much she antagonized them or how she went about getting to them but especially if she won with O-face. Mercedes Martinez on the other hand was someone whom the crowd seemed to except as "good" even when the promotion tried to show them otherwise, such as an unprovoked post match attack on Leva Bates. Then she faced Athena in what was essentially a Face Heel Double Turn, as they finally realized Martinez was no longer good but Athena soon was.
- A lot of the more zealous smarks might just do this out of sheer spite, especially in regards to WWE and if the heel happens to have an indy fanbase. The mindset seems to be that, since it's fake, we can cheer the bad guy and their story because they're a good wrestler, regardless of whether their character is nice or not. One of the biggest examples was probably CM Punk in his feud against John Cena as the new leader of The Nexus. Unlike his feud with Jeff Hardy, Punk showed little to nothing in the way of redeemable qualities (save his willingness to tweak WWE Management in Worked Shoot promos), as his straight edge lifestyle hasn't even been mentioned. Despite this, he still gets cheered because he's one of the better wrestlers, despite doing nothing cheer-worthy.
Then there was the Summer of Punk II in 2011 where Punk was feuding Cena, Vince, and basically the entire company because he was threatening to leave with the WWE Championship on the night his contract expired at the Money in the Bank PPV in his hometown of Chicago. He was technically the Heel, but the infamous "Pipe Bomb" promo on the June 27, 2011 episode of RAW and the magnificent writing of the storyline, along with his awesome mic work made him come off as the Face, to the point that Boston cheered for him over hometown hero John Cena the RAW before the PPV, even after he compared them and said hero to the New York Yankees. Then he won the match (which is now considered one of the greatest matches in WWE history), won the title, evaded a cash-in attempt by Del Rio, and ran off with said title in his hometown crowd, ascending to superstardom in the process.
He once disrespected Paul Bearer's death for the buildup for his WrestleMania match with The Undertaker, stole the urn, released the ashes on Undertaker and slathered them all over his body. That's not even counting the time when he mocked Jerry Lawler's heart attack with Paul Heyman. Yet despite being not only the top Heel, but the best Heel, in the entire company, easily managing to garner massive amounts of heat in minutes, people will cheer for him anyway. Why? Because he's just so good at being bad.
- Kevin Steen's fan song Anti Christ, based on his Ring of Honor theme, referenced this, "The question was never if Steen will, but how loud the fans will be calling 'Kill Steen, Kill!".
- After SHIMMER Volume 60, the biggest baby face in the promotion became Nikki Storm, a rude, vain Violent Glaswegian who the fans can't get enough of despite having few redeeming qualities.
- This happens all the time in Professional Wrestling where a heel's antics end up being entertaining or cool enough that the fans start rooting for them, leading to the promoter either making a Heel-Face Turn or kicking the heel across the Moral Event Horizon to make the fans boo him again. Smarks are more likely to do this than average fans and the smark-filled regions of northeast US and Canada have this in spades. Notable examples include Stone Cold Steve Austin, D-Generation X after Shawn Michaels' injury and, Santino Marella.
- The people in the stands usually root for the home team, don't they? Well, not necessarily-some of the people in the stands may in fact be cheering for the away team for any number of reasons. Sometimes the city the team plays in has a lot of expatriates from the away team's city. In the Canadian Football League, the Saskatchewan Roughriders are known for their hardcore fanbase. Many Saskatchewanians have moved to Alberta for various reasons, to the point that Roughriders flags, banners and clothing can be almost as common-if not more so-in the Alberta CFL cities of Edmonton and Calgary as the merchandise of those cities' own teams.
- Due to Values Dissonance, some people who are appalled by bullfighting might end up cheering for the bull and celebrating whenever the matador gets injured or even killed.
- Fans of historically successful NFL franchises typically get viewed this way by other fans.
- Shylock from The Merchant of Venice is a Jewish money-lender who is derided, insulted, and generally discriminated against by pretty much everyone. He serves as the main antagonist for the story and is trying to collect on a debt owed by Bassanio, a friend of the protagonist Antonio. Antonio had signed onto the debt as a guarantor and Shylock, who hated Antonio, saw a path to revenge by demanding a pound of Antonio's flesh as a penalty for defaulting on the loan. Thanks to some Rules Lawyering on behalf of the protagonists, Shylock is not only denied his revenge, the debt is annulled, his wealth is taken from him, and he is forced to convert to Christianity. At the time Shylock was considered a highly effective, loathsome villain, and his fate was just comeuppance for his greed. In today's world, the character is received much differently, to the point of being a highly sympathetic character. Modern productions often play Shylock as a tragic villain rather than his traditional "pure evil" role, and his famous "I am a Jew!" speech, with no modification whatsoever, today reads perfectly as the lamentations and frustrations of an oppressed people to discriminatory and dehumanizing treatment from the masses.
- In Les Misérables, some people side strongly with Javert, rejecting the Lawful Stupid interpretation and instead insisting that Valjean, as a thieving, robbing, murdering, treacherous parole-breaker who engages in armed rebellion against the government, is perhaps not undeserving of the law's, and thus Javert's, dedicated attention. This isn't as extreme an example as the others on the page, Javert is ultimately an admirable figure for his commitment to justice, and no character in the play is meant to be outright hated (excluding the Thenardiers).
- Richard III is the smartest man in the room (any room), and much more charismatic and entertaining than any of the milquetoast good guys who surround him. Just try watching a production of the play without wanting him to win
- Iago from Othello, since he's an extremely charismatic character who turns Refuge in Audacity into an art form. Convincing Othello that his wife is cheating on him IN A SINGLE SCENE doesn't exactly portray the hero in the best light, as well as the rest of the cast having a bad case of Horrible Judge of Character to the point where if they ever just talked to each other, they'd have quickly realised who was pulling all the strings.
- To be fair, he comes close to winning, and most of the "idiots" who believe him end up dead.
- Dungeons & Dragons:
- In the Forgotten Realms settings, with the canon lore of Drizzt Do'Urden, many fans hate him for his tendency to survive the most ridiculous situations and setting an odd perception to the Drow. While some fans do hate him, they still read the novels because of the detailing of the surrounding world, especially Drizzt's enemies, be it drow, Thay or Jarlaxle and Artemis. The latter even got their own spinoff novel trilogy.
- Plenty of evil figures can fall into this trope, especially the Munchkin-friendly ones. Kobolds in particular tend to receive a very nuanced, sympathetic eye from most fans, who fell in love with the little dog-dragon dudes in spite of their Lawful Evil alignment. Later books would detail this further, describing kobold culture as steeped in martyrdom for the warren, worship of dragons regardless of color, and valuing ingenuity over brute force.
- White Wolf's Exalted ran into this in the first edition and then deliberately invoked it in the second edition. As every Exalt type's splatbook is written from their perspective and to promote their agenda, each type has its partisans. The most literal case is with the Terrestrial and Sidereal Exalted, who run (openly and covertly, respectively) the Scarlet Empire, which is an oppressive dogmatic theocracy that yet is one of the only things standing between many people and numerous horrors from beyond the world. Even the Yozis, the demon lords who were once the ancient titans that treated the world as a plaything, have their apologists.
- Magic: The Gathering:
- Quite a few fans are rather pro-Phyrexian, to the point where one rather prominent fansite is named "Phyrexia.com" (and themed around the plane). As Phyrexians are not so much Always Chaotic Evil as Always Completely Evil (they were created by a man who lived as a nomad visiting various civilisations just so he could release plagues and wipe them all out - in one case just to see what would happen), the level of support they've garnered is almost shocking.
- The Scars of Mirrodin story arc brings the Phyrexians back into the limelight, and Wizards of the Coast being quite adamant on not revealing whether or not they'll win (they did) just contributed to this - just watch the promotional videos on Youtube, often depicting Phyrexians committing Nightmare Fuel atrocities against the Mirrans, then look at all the comments proudly shouting Phyrexian slogans. According to the statistics from when Mirrodin Besieged came out, 51% of players supported the Phyrexians.
- Wizards of the Coast invoked this trope during the Mirrodin Besieged prerelease: those that supported Phyrexia were given several packs containing nothing but Phyrexian cards, while the Mirran side got only Mirran cards.
- Back in the day, Phyrexia was confined to Black, the (usually) "evil" color. As per the New Phyrexia expansion, though, they've branched out into all five colors, and while this has mostly consisted of twisted Phyrexian takes on each color's philosophy, some Phyrexians, most notably those aligned to Red (the color of freedom and passion), are starting to show more sympathetic tendencies.
- For the Old World of Darkness's Mage: The Ascension setting, quite a few players think that the Technocracy's earth is a much safer, freer place than a world where you might be eaten by a troll the second your back is turned. This viewpoint steadily gained canon support through Mage's run. The first few Technocracy books were clearly written to help the Storyteller write better villains, and the Technocrats in those books want to do things like destroy creativity. The later ones realized that, given their history (and the fact that they, you know, create all kinds of shiny new technology), the Technocracy makes more sense as Well Intentioned Extremists on an organizational level. In the "canon" Mage ending, the Traditions and the Technocracy ultimately realize that they are Not So Different as they both wish the best possible future for humanity. They both Earn The Happy Ending when the world comes to a close in the best way possible for everyone. In the other finale, where the Nephandi win, the Technocracy makes a heroic (if futile) last stand to protect mankind, same as the arguable Big Good, the Order of Hermes.
- Some Rifts fans see The Coalition States in a heroic light, as defenders of humanity. This is a nation that's blatantly modeled after Nazi Germany, including the institutionalized genocide, with one of the later books including a commentary reiterating the fact that the Coalition, or at least those in charge of it, really are bad guys. Draco in Leather Pants plays a large role here, as does What Measure Is a Non-Human?; the Coalition's military aesthetic is heavy on black and "Death's Head" skull imagery, making even a common grunt soldier look incredibly Badass.
- Not helped by recent supplements giving the Coalition every lucky break it is possible to have, until they start verging on Canon Sue territory. Much of the fanbase is starting to wonder if Kevin Siembeda himself is Rooting for the Empire.
- The first published Traveller adventures had the players breaking into Imperial research stations, breaking out of Imperial prisons, and helping the rebels. Then the rebels nuke a city, and the players had to help the Imperium in a war. In the last published adventure about the Imperium, the players are Imperial nobles and generals who try to stop it from collapsing.
- While everyone is fairly evil to some extent in Warhammer 40,000, even the most unambiguously evil factions have their fans, and not just for the strength of their army list.
- Chaos are out turn the material universe into an Eldritch Location by permanently merging it with the Warp, and they work for a set of gods who want to kill, rape, mutate and infect everything, things which they are more than willing to perform in their name. Yet they're just so... METAL!
- Nurgle and its followers get this even more than the other Chaos factions. While it is genuinely nice, and unlike the other Chaos gods (or the Emperor, for that matter) deeply cares for its subjects, it expresses its kindness by infecting its followers with every disease ever, to the point that they're in so much pain they can't feel any other pain. Its followers generally don't mind, but it still isn't exactly a pleasant fate.
- Black Crusade does a decent job at presenting the Chaos cultists' case. It admits that the Chaos Gods are cruel masters and that Chaos is anything but cuddly - but embracing Chaos is nonetheless humanity's only hope of surviving in any form. Meanwhile, the Imperium's brutal tyranny and persecution might be justified if there was any chance that it might work, but as it is, the Imperium is beyond saving and so the Adeptus Terra are committing atrocities for the sake of a lost cause.
- The reason that the Imperium is The Empire in the first place is because it is surrounded by unspeakable horrors that Lovecraft would be proud of. Ergo, Rooting For The Empire is, in this case, the only sane choice in an utterly insane galaxy. In the Imperium, there is law and order - even if it is draconian - and not every Imperial world is entirely a hellhole. They also have the largest amount of characters that seem likable and possibly the closest somebody can get to heroes in the setting. Note there is a reason for this.
- The Tau Empire, while not exactly good, they are much less "not exactly good" than the others and actually make alliances and work together with other species. In their initial release, they were considered too "good" and so were given some moral ambiguity to bring them in line with the rest of the universe, becoming more "join us or die" (which is still better than the "die xenos scum!" of everyone else).
- Orks have a lot support, not because they are less evil than other factions, but they are by far the most fun, crossing the line so many times they become endearing.
- The Eldar gain much sympathy for how their only interest is in trying to prevent their extinction, being the only faction not interested in conquering/enslaving anyone (except for the militaristic Biel-tan Craftworld), as well as for how Games Workshop have relegated them to Butt Monkey status. They're still entirely incapable of giving a straight answer even if it would benefit them, and while they're often called arrogant and willing to kill millions of non-Eldar to save handfuls of their own, every other faction in the setting thinks the same way.
- Chaos are out turn the material universe into an Eldritch Location by permanently merging it with the Warp, and they work for a set of gods who want to kill, rape, mutate and infect everything, things which they are more than willing to perform in their name. Yet they're just so... METAL!
- This is incredibly common amongst the older part of LEGO's fandom.
- Batman: Arkham City eventually reveals that the eponymous super-prison was built for the sole purpose of mass-murdering all of the inmates, including a bunch of political prisoners Strange threw in because he didn't like them. Naturally, Batman doesn't like this and the player is forced to stop it... except that the Enemy Chatter of pretty much every mook are either about how much they love murder, torture and rape, or expressions of fear of their even worse bosses. And this is in Gotham, the Trope Codifier for Cardboard Prison, with the previous game and the prequel showing that this has been going on for years, and the sequel having those same inmates turn the whole city into their playground, leaving many players concluding that this plan is the lesser of two evils given the alternative.
- Command & Conquer:
- There are a truly astonishing number of players who believe the Brotherhood of Nod are the good guys, not GDI. While they admit Nod does some unpleasant things, they justify those by saying that Utopia Justifies the Means and that Nod is fighting fire with fire in a world where Green Rocks are killing everything, presenting themselves as humanity's only hope for survival in the long term. Nod (well, Kane) suckering a group of highly advanced aliens to land on Earth (prematurely) and then kicked them in the teeth and stole their technology probably bolstered their popularity. And then there're those that just like them for their black uniforms, laser guns and overall awesome hi-tech arsenal.
- In the third game fans of Nod like to paint GDI as an undemocratic military state while saying Nod never seem to actively contradict their line that they are simply "fighting for the people". In reality, Kane frequently lies to his followers in the game about what his plans are, states he never intended to win the war against GDI, and his plan also involve bringing about the destruction of Eastern Europe and then during the Scrin invasion ordering Nod to not fight back against them while GDI continued to fight. Then in the fourth game Kane actually saves the world and gives his followers the promised power of inter-galactic travel.
- Yuri's faction in Red Alert 2: Yuri's Revenge. Yuri is total monster that wants to Take Over the World for his sake and his sake alone, but many fans still loved him as a villain, his faction, while overpowered and usage in multiplayer is frowned, fans still found fun to play as and were disappointed that it didn't get its own campaign.
- A large number of Fallout 3 fans are adamant supporters of the Enclave, with many quite displeased that joining the Enclave was not possible in the game. This is due to the Enclave shifting from their "kill any non-pure human" agenda from Fallout 2 to using the water purifier as a means to rule the Capital Wasteland with an iron fist (mostly anyway, President Eden wants to continue with the genocide idea but Dragon-in-Chief Colonel Autumn and his men do not), along with fans who were introduced to the Fallout series in Fallout 3, so they aren't even aware of the Enclave's earlier atrocities and found them to Designated Villains. They're still ruthless fascists who consider any wastelander sub-human and will slaughter anyone who gets in their way, but since the Capital Wasteland is still such a barely functioning craphole after 200 years, it's argueable that the Enclave could finally bring order and stability. You even meet one of your father's colleagues who switches sides to help the Enclave because they actually have the technology and the means for her do finally do some real good in the wasteland, rather than desperately trying to scrape together some progress back at Rivet City. In Fallout: New Vegas there is a side quest in the game where you can bring together a band of Enclave remnants, and the rewards for doing this are some of the best items in the game.
- Caesar's Legion in Fallout: New Vegas is a truly inexplicable example of this trope. It's repeatedly stated, and admitted by its leaders and all of its members, that the Legion ideologically endorses conquest, crucifixion and torture, rape, foregoing all modern technology (except certain weapons), enslavement of all women, genocide, genetic cleansing, totalitarian social homogeneity, and survival of the fittest. They also tolerate decimation (the practice of killing every tenth soldier in your own army in order to sustain morale through fear, something the real Roman Legion eventually deemed ineffectual) and cannibalism. It is repeatedly stated by multiple NPCs from every faction that the Legion will fail when Caesar dies, and assuming Caesar doesn't die over the course of the game he still isn't going to live much longer. The Legion's only upsides are that crime is nonexistent in Legion territory (due to the harsh penalties), that they do not tolerate drug usage, alcohol and that the Legion doesn't mindlessly butcher some factions in certain endings to the game. Some of this may be due to a Legion-aligned Courier receiving many perks. Getting in with the Legion provides access to a supply cache that periodically refreshes itself and a safe-house with a Luck-boosting pair of shades. (Luck being one of the hardest stats to boost on the fly.) Additionally, being opposed to the NCR, which is inadvisable for either Independent Vegas runs, allows one to freely kill and loot them, providing a Courier with as much ammo as they could ever want.
- Final Fantasy Tactics, the 1st one, featured an initial campaign against the Death Corps (or the Corpse Brigade, depending on the translation), which is run by Wiegraf, a soldier who wishes nothing more than to lead a populist revolt to unseat the corrupt nobility. We see firsthand how corrupt everyone in charge of anything is in this setting, and after the protagonist Ramza is himself on the run from the evil authorities, you're never in a position to help steer Wiegraf towards victory. Even more tragically, Wiegraf sells his soul - first figuratively, then literally - just to get by, derailing him from his original goal.
- Final Fantasy Tactics Advance: A kid named Mewt has magically created a world that makes everyone he knows happier. Another kid, named Marche, controlled by the player, is trying desperately to stop him. Whether the latter is actually correct to do so is not very well explained. Let's leave it at that.
- Gears of War: The Locust. Because they are eeeeeevil. And extremely Badass. And they have all the nice shiny monsters and freaky biological transport. And a banging hot chick for a hive queen. It doesn't help that the COG themselves are portrayed subtly as morally questionable fascists and some of the characters are unlikable bigots. Plus the Locust themselves are only invading the surface because 50% they want to free their homeworld which was devastated by humans for centuries and 50% they're trying to get away from the Lambent, and the COG 'won' the first war by nuking the entire surface of the planet and killing more humans than the Locusts themselves.
- The Helghast are just plain more interesting - and much cooler-looking, what with the Jin Roh battle armor, comparatively more futuristic and just plain more interesting weaponry, and goggles - than their ISA counterparts. Their backstory is at least somewhat sympathetic (essentially a case of The Dog Bites Back on an unprecedented scale), and it doesn't help a bit that the human characters are either flat or actively unlikeable. Jan Templar is as bland as they come. Rico is a belligerent, Book Dumb Jerk Ass and apparently proud of these defining character traits. The girl is...wait, there was a girl, wasn't there? There has to be a girl - right? The only two characters who make any sort of impression are Helghast bigwig Scolar Visari, who gives a mean speech and is voiced by Brian Cox, and your snarky half-Helghast teammate Colonel Hakha, voiced by Sean Pertwee.
- The sequel does it better, but not by much. While the ISA was made more interesting and likable, having the likes of Sev, Garza, Natko and Narville, some moron put Rico in charge, and that goes as well as one would think it would. The Helghast were given a few Kick the Dog moments to try to make them less sympathetic, but their awesomeness far overshadows that, with Visari giving a speech so awesome players are sad they can't play for the other side and the inclusion of the likes of Colonel Radec, also voiced by Sean Pertwee, who comes with less snark, but more badassery. While Killzone Mercenary lets you work with the Helghatst. It also shows there were Helghast who was willing to defect and there were genuinely evil Vektans who weren't Quislings but outright genocidal as the Helghast.
- This tends to extend to the multiplayer as well. There's not much story there, of course, but many a player has groaned upon being assigned to the ISA faction, i.e. generic American soldier dudes, instead of the cooler-looking and -sounding Helghast.
- Guerrilla seems to be getting the hint, due to some of the events in Shadow Fall, which portray the Helghast in a much more sympathetic light due to the devastation of their home planet in the third game. Then there's the second to last mission, which lets you play as Echo, to assassinate an ISA operative whom has jumped off the slippery slope. It should also be noted that Echo is the daughter of Hera Visari.
- Organization XIII of Kingdom Hearts seems to be much, much more popular among certain parts of the fandom than the heroes, and even got their own game. They have admirable goals, it's just that Xemnas tricks them all, wanting to use Kingdom Hearts to gain ultimate power. The rest of them were just oblivious, and seemingly got destroyed.
- The Magic Emperor in Lunar: Silver Star Story would count as this. He believed that humanity would repeat the apocalypse that forced them away from The Blue Star if left without divine guidance. When the Goddess Althena abdicated her position as humanity's divine protector, he attempted to place her back on her throne, or failing that, absorb her power and put himself upon it. His means are destructive, but in order to prevent the probable extinction of the species, he considered them justified. It also helps his image that he has several Pet the Dog moments and was a well respected and wise hero.
- Mass Effect:
- A minority of fans, if not actively rooting for the Reapers, certainly think that they are by far the coolest race out there.
- The Turians and their actions during the First Contact War, when the Turians decided the best way to tell the then-unknown race (Humanity) that tampering with a dormant Mass Relay was a violation of Interstellar Law, was to open-fire without warning, follow the surviving vessel back to Shanxi, then repeatedly proceed to rain down space-debris upon the settlement just to take out ground-forces and civilians. Some fans are staunch defenders of their actions, believing they were completely justified and were only upholding interstellar law.
- Many fans believe Shepard should have stayed with Cerberus after Mass Effect 2, despite the Illusive Man being a Manipulative Bastard who was simply using Shepard for his own ends. Lampshaded by Joker in the third game, who admits that Cerberus were a lot cooler and easier to root for when they were rebels helping to save the galaxy, rather than the Indoctrinated terrorists - hampering all efforts to fight the Reapers, whilst being as Obviously Evil and Ax-Crazy as possible - they've turned into.
- Saren, the villain of the first game is often the subject of this and Draco in Leather Pants from parts of the fandom. The second game reveals this even extends to being the case in-universe, where a gold statue of Saren is seen as a prized gift by wealthy criminals, while a Shadow Broker dossier reveals that there exists more than one documentary portraying Saren as a misunderstood hero.
- The Geth have been saved in more games than the Quarians in Mass Effect 3 according to BioWare's own statistics, even though they were fought as enemies in every game and chose to ally with the Reapers, even if in self-defense. Much of this is probably due to Legion's popularity and that the Geth are geniuinely one of the most interesting races in the setting, while approximately three-fourths of the quarians you meet are jerkasses and the Quarian the fanbase likes the most, crew member Tali, spends at least half the game majorly on the outs with her own species.
- Its worth noting that, at the time when you had the option to choose, the Geth were being attacked by the Quarians, who had put themselves in such a position that any effective counter attack would result in the functional death of their species (barring large scale cloning efforts). In essence, for those unable to save both, it was the choice between saving victims who had been established as willing to not only work with the Quarians but freely give back their home planet, and saving the people who led the attack on them. While the civilian casualties are unfortunate, it would have resulted in a genocide no matter what was done, and only one side was the aggressor.
- This seems to be very much intended; while the game considers uniting Geth and Quarians in peace the best option (as evidenced by this giving the most War Assets, no one in your crew dying except Legion, who dies either way, etc.), if you cannot get this, saving the Geth is the Paragon option.
- All the Pokémon villainous teams are quite popular and get this treatment, especially from the Grunt's POVs (the leaders tend to have hidden intentions and be more malicious).
- There is a portion of the Morrowind fandom who thinks Dagoth Ur was really a good guy with morally-grey methods. These fans see him as a courageous rebel against a foreign empire who is only maligned because he was betrayed by his friends, who then became powerful. The game itself leaves his ultimate motives ultimately unknown (though it presents ideas), somewhat encouraging this interpretation. The game design doc was originally written to allow the player to join with him, but sadly time constraints and the much desired Christmas Release doomed that (as well as other story elements).
- Space Channel 5 Part 2 has the Rhythm Rogues, a group of villains who want to force the galaxy to dance for them. Their leader Purge is one of the more popular characters in the series, next to Ulala and Pudding. Rumors are going around that the real reason Part 2's getting an HD port is because of the fanbase for these guys.
- Starcraft: Brood War has the United Earth Directorate. They are set up as major villains and eventually become the dominant power in the sector, forcing an Enemy Mine situation between Raynor, Fenix, Mengsk and Kerrigan to depose them out of fear they'll enslave or kill everyone regardless of race or allegiance. However... they don't. Their campaign is pretty much an eight-mission long Kick the Son of a Bitch as they spend their time fighting Mengsk and the Zerg with the mission to depose the former and enslave the latter as tools to keep peace in the sector. The major factor in this trope is that their evilness is an All There in the Manual Informed Attribute — back on Earth the UED are racist fascists who are implied to practice ethnic cleansing to curb overpopulation and genetic mutations. But aside from the implication they're infesting their own troops to use as hybrid forces, this does not come into play in the campaign. Instead their fleet leaders are shown to be honorable and reasonable people who proclaim they are there to bring peace to the sector, and given they ally with Samir Duran, the argument could easily be made the heroes could and should have allied with them instead of fighting them. There is a not inconsiderable number of fans who hope for their return in StarCraft II, even though Word of God has said it's not likely to happen any time soon.
- Starcraft II:
- The Heart of the Swarm campaign again has Kerrigan as the protagonist, though whether she is still a Villain Protagonist is up to interpretation. The fact that she wants to go on a Roaring Rampage of Revenge against Mengsk for leaving her to the Zerg in the first place has caused a significant portion of the fanbase to start Rooting for the Horde of Alien Locusts, because she's finally getting her vengeance and making Mengsk pay for what he's done.
- Going full circle, some people in the campaign are rooting for Mengsk, seeing Kerrigan as being given the Draco in Leather Pants treatment by Blizzard and agreeing with Mengsk's declarations that she's a mass-murdering monster that needs to die for the good of the galaxy. Though he provoked her into reverting her Heel-Face Turn from the first campaign, Kerrigan's actions in Heart of the Swarm completely justify Mengsk's viewpoint as she invades and infests numerous worlds and kills thousands of people for the sake of her vengeance.
- In Star Wars: Battlefront and Battlefront 2 you could begin play as a Stormtrooper, but, if you racked up a high enough score without dying, could control Darth-Freaking-Vader in combat. All that, plus the opportunity to blast Ewoks!!
- You can literally root for and play a champion of The Empire in Star Wars: The Old Republic. One estimate says there are twice as many Imperial players as Republic ones on some servers. This is despite the fact that the Emperor is an omnicidal nutcase who wants to devour all life in the galaxy, the place is rife with Fantastic Racism (anyone not human or Sith pureblood is commonly referred to as "thing" or "it"), the whole damn economy is a house of cards built on military tech and slave labor, their military strategy boils down to We Have Reserves, advancement is done via Klingon Promotion (though it's gauche not to be sneaky about it for non-Sith), it's every bit as inefficient and corrupt as the Republic, and the Sith are still marking an art form of Chronic Backstabbing Disorder with everyone else ground beneath their boot heels.
- Flight duty as portrayed in Star Wars: TIE Fighter is a fairly cushy job, when compared to the matching duty in the Rebel Alliance, with rapid promotions and secret society membership benefits, both of which lead to better fighters. Indeed, TIE Fighter pilots are expected to fail against superior Alliance fighters, and since most battles take place in Empire-controlled space, recovery after ejection is highly likely. By the time you're in serious missions against rebellion forces, you're in TIE-Advanced Fighters or even TIE Defenders. Much of the time in the game you are not even fighting the rebellion, but doing what seems like legitimate and reasonable policing and military actions, such as taking down pirates, intervening in a civil war to protect the allies to the Empire and going after Imperial traitors
- In Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World there's a considerably large fan-base rooting for the villains Alice and Decus which might be explained by the fact that they peg Emil as wimpy coward and reduce Marta to her Clingy Jealous Girl-tendencies.
- World of Warcraft:
- Although the Orcish Horde were the main antagonists (and Villain Protagonists) in the first two Warcraft games, they were the more popular of the two factions in those days. They ended up being given a redemption storyline at the end of Warcraft 3, becoming the Trope Codifiers for the "Orc as Noble Savage" interpretation of orcs in the process. To the point that "good guy orcs" are generally called "Blizzardian Orcs" or "Warcraft style Orc".
- The Horde has always had a very vocal and devout fandom, which is most commonly said to be due to the Horde being "cooler" and "more unique", thanks to being composed of playable, even noble versions of typically monstrous races, like orcs, trolls, undead and minotaurs, whereas the Alliance is a more generic human/elf/dwarf/gnome faction. They gradually became the more highly populated faction in terms of players, as Blizzard gave them a less "ugly" and more "humanlike" race, in the form of the Blood Elves in "The Burning Crusade".
- Chris Metzen, the main author of WoW's storyline, is on record as saying that the Horde are the faction that he is emotionally closest to.
- The official Blizzard in-house music team is blatantly Horde-focused (their name is a variant on "Level X Tauren Chieftain" and their avatar "singers" are all Horde races) and tends to glorify the Horde in lyrics — even the StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty song "Terran Up The Night" gets a dig in by insisting that the Marines would join the Horde if they lived in Azeroth.
- Ever since it was announced that Garrosh Hellscream would be the final boss of Mists of Pandaria, there's been a small sect of players who have wanted to forsake the Darkspear Rebellion and side with him, either due to think he's not as bad as he's made out to be or just finding his "evil" Horde more compelling than the "good" one. Ingame players are not given an option, you have to side with the rebellion.
- X3: Albion Prelude has the Argon-Terran conflict (also known as the Second Terraformer War). The Argon Federation started the war by suicide-bombing the huge space station orbiting Earth, killing millions of innocent people, and then using weapons of mass destruction on the Terrans in a brutal Guilt-Free Extermination War. Of course, the narrative fully expects players to side with the Argon (who really were the good guys in the five preceding games). Quite a few fans disagreed, and rejoiced when a proper Terran plot was added via free Downloadable Content, which portrays them as isolationist and paranoid due to them safeguarding their advanced technology, striking back at the Argon in self-defense.
- God of War III has a fair number of people rooting for Zeus. He and the Olympians are Jerk Ass Gods, but they are at least corrupted by the evils of Pandora's Box and the order they represent is better for humanity than Kratos who has no thought beyond destroying whatever he is angry at at the moment and is willing to do anything to get his revenge even if it means destroying the world.
- Star Trek Online has a couple of Broken Base issues of this variety.
- When the Romulan faction was originally announced a lot of fans were hoping for a proper villain faction, hewing to the TNG portrayal of the Romulan Star Empire as basically Space Fascists. Instead Cryptic chose to make the player a member of the Romulan Republic, a breakaway successor state opposed to The Remnant of the Star Empire, basing their portrayal in part on the Free Rihannsu rebellion in the Rihannsu novel series of the TOS era, and partly on the Bajoran Resistance, and undeniably the good guys (if more antiheroic than the Federation). While most players accepted the rationale that the Republic was composed of a coalition of Romulan commoners, Spock's Unificationists, and rogue military personnel opposed to the Tal'Shiar, there's still a Vocal Minority wanting a rebuilt TNG-style Star Empire.
- The Vaadwaur in the Delta Rising expansion get this too, mainly because their main enemies the Kobali got a Designated Hero reaction—people have been calling their behavior towards their supposed allies (the player factions) dishonest and emotionally abusive, and their method of reproduction (necromancy) has drawn rape comparisons. Couple that with their Holier Than Thou Culture Justifies Anything attitude and the lack of ability to call them on their BS, and you can see why people might prefer the Space Nazi Vaads. Others have noted that the Kobali can't contribute as much to the alliance as the Vaads could (the Kobalis' best ship was built with Alpha Quadrant tech, whereas the Vaads have little problem taking out Voth and Borg ships), and that during the war the Vaadwaur leadership was either under Iconian Mind Control, via Puppeteer Parasites, or in the case of Gaul, just an asshole.
- Dominic Deegan:
- A lot of readers root for the bad guys due to Dominic and Luna doing some very questionable things while becoming more and more insufferably Sue-ish. Besides, Celesto Morgan is cooler.
- The Hatedom finds Warlord Mustache to be completely awesome for trying to exterminate the Orcs, due to a widely-held disbelief of the official line that the Orcs are really Noble Savages who only live in murderous barbarism because of Mustache. The Orcs also took a year for their storyline, when that time could've been spent introducing fresh things to disparage.
- There is a small but vocal subset of the Homestuck fandom that believes that the Alternian Empire is a fully justified society and that the Condesce is an admirable leader. While a fair portion of them simply don't know any better, there are some that believe that the trolls have every right to do what they do given the situation and some that just flat-out hold neo-fascist beliefs. The fact that troll culture and civilization is easily one of the most richly detailed and interesting parts of the comic doesn't help either.
- The Order of the Stick:
- Miko, whom some believe was in the right with her actions that was supposed to be her Moral Event Horizon. And let's leave it at that.
- Redcloak does have some valid reasons for what he's doing, but that doesn't mean he's not planning with his dark god to hold the world hostage with the threat of an apocalyptic living Continuity Snarl-that-can-permakill-anything unless his demands are met.
- The Patriarchy arc in Sinfest seems to have provoked this reaction due to just how polarizing the Sisterhood (Xanthe in particular) is.
- Sonichu - the supposed good guys are a bunch of self-righteous, morally repugnant, demigod tools with zero likeability.
- Vampire Cheerleaders: The larger part of the comic's fanbase (on Facebook) actually favored Lori and her Coven of vampires, despite their actions, and hated the Paranormal Mystery Squad, who they saw as a group of knights templar that were guilty of committing Van Helsing Hate Crimesnote . So you can imagine how well they reacted to the cheerleaders being casts as the villains (which they always were) during the "Vampire Cheerleaders Must Die!" arc, which ended with them being taken into custody by PETM.
- The Nostalgia Chick admits that she sort of wants Hades to win in Hercules, because he (and Megara, who starts as one of his Mooks) are the only characters she finds interesting. Also, being a Child Hater herself, she seems almost perplexed that Matilda presents the Trunchbull as an unsympathetic character.
- The Nostalgia Critic is prone to this when he thinks the hero of a movie needs to be killed quickly (which, given the calibre of the movies he watches, is surprisingly frequent). Best exemplified in The Wiz, when both the Critic and Todd in the Shadows think the few minutes of the Wicked Witch are fun enough that they hope she wins.
- Allison Pregler
- She finds herself siding with the mutant frogs in the Frogtown series.
- For Vampire Assassin, she played the "Lonely Man" music Incredible Hulk show when "Vampire Hulk" gets staked.
- She was actually pulling for Radu for all four films; even as he became less and less violent, and more like an Anne Rice character.
- Radu automatically does this with every film he reviews.
- Gimli coming at Golddigger with a garden hose. (Robot in the Family)
"Yes, YES, kill it!! John Rhys-Davies, you're my hero!"
- Radu interprets Tommy Wiseau as the true demon in The House That Drips Blood on Alex.
- The only person on Sesame Street she can even tolerate is Oscar, who really speaks to her.
- In her Charmed reviews, she considers the Charmed Ones (particularly Phoebe) to be Designated Heroes. It gets to the point where, in Season 4, she says, "It makes you root for the Source of All Evil because he seems nice in comparison." In season 6, during the high school reunion episode, the Alpha Bitch calls Phoebe a selfish whore to her face in as catty a manner as possible, and Lupa can't actually argue against it. In the same season, they're put on trial for misuse of magic. A recurring antagonist, Barbas, prosecutes them so effectively that they're almost convicted... and he's basically just repeating everything Lupa has said through her review of the series.
- Phelous is pretty sure in Crocodile and Crocodile 2 that we're supposed to be rooting for the crocodiles. Or maybe Princess the dog, when he thinks she's constantly luring the humans to the croc on purpose.
- SF Debris: in Star Trek series, Chuck Sonnenberg tends to believe that usually the Strawman Has a Point in bad episodes and/or seasons, and are thus the good guys and he is rooting for them (with double points if their plan succeeding would involve a sudden lack of Neelix). It gets to the point where he has to specify that for "The Measure Of A Man" he has no interest in defending Bruce Maddox as the hero against the early-season TNG cast, because Maddox is just that much of an asshole.
- The website www.stardestroyer.net once held a poll among its members, with the question "Do you think the Galactic Empire would be a cool place to live." The overwhelming majority of the site's members said "yes."
- This girl is rooting for the empire. And a Jedi will guide her to the Siths' Academy.
- This Youtube video. Many of the commenters are rooting for the escapee (thanks to his skill and luck) and deriding the police for putting people's lives at risk during the chase.
- A common phenomenon in the 1999-2002 timeframe on World War II themed forums: a large percent of forum posters rooted for the Wehrmacht, as the side with the coolest tanks, planes, uniforms and dashing war heroes like Wittmann or Hartmann. It died slowly after 2002, most people gained a more balanced and neutral attitude for those involved in the war.
- When Linkara, Film Brain and Nash review the failed Wonder Woman (2011 pilot), they quickly find themselves agreeing with the story antagonists who come across as level-headed and reasonable while Wonder Woman herself is rash, impulsive, openly violent and flaunts her disdain for the law at every possible chance. Her callous murder of a security guard pretty much cements their opinion that the "villains" are merely acting out of self-defense at this point.
- The villains from Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog were popular even before YouTube Poop caught on.
- Avatar: The Last Airbender:
- Some fans root for the Fire Nation out of the opinion they're the best candidate to advance technology and bring 'progress' to the world. These fans also believe that the Avatar himself is a symbol of outdated superstitions and supernatural forces holding back humanity from its true potential, and that the 'Balance' the heroes are fighting to restore is merely the forced stagnation of civilization. As for all the people killed or enslaved by the Fire Nation, and for all the other people they were planning to exterminate along with their native cultures, that's apparently a small price to pay for a one-world government and an industrial revolution. (One thing that can be said in their favour is that the other nations have a large Stay in the Kitchen attitude, while Fire Nation military is open to women and no-one batted an eye at Azula becoming Fire Lord.)
- On a character level, many Fire Nation character are sympathetic (Zuko, Iroh, Ty Lee, and Mai) or in Azula's case so good at being bad, earning them massive fandoms. The problem is that all the sympathetic characters turn against the Fire Nation and its goals, for various reasons, and that Azula is revealed to be severely disturbed.
- The Legend of Korra:
- Some fans support the Equalists stripping all benders of their abilities as the only way to put all people on a level playing field and end the oppression of non-benders, even if the benders themselves don't consent to the procedure. Debates on whether or not bending is an intrinsic part of a person and the show's civilization/culture, and if what the Equalists are attempting is a fantastical form of mutilation or not, can get quite heated. The show itself is a bit grey on the issue, showing that some benders can be oppressive but also portraying the process of benders being unwillingly stripped of their powers as analogous to rape. It gets much easier to call them bad guys after episode 6, where they bomb the pro-bending arena and in episode 7 where they attack innocent civilians and kidnap the metal bending police. Complicating matters is that some corrupt benders namely representative Tarrlok feel that rounding up all non-bending individuals, Equalist or not, and imprisoning them, is a perfect way to neutralize the threat.
- In Season 3 many fans root for the Big Bad Ensemble of Zaheer, P'Li, Ming Hua, and Ghazan, who prove themselves endearing because of their obvious rapport with one another and arguably sympathetic motives, as well as being just plain cool.
- Many fans comsider Kuvira doing what's best for the Earth Kingdom or being a better leader than the other options.
- More specifically, many fans felt that her handling of the Governor in episode 1 was completely in line with a good ruler(i.e. I give your people food and protection if you agree to become a part of my Empire). Also, considering Republic City wanted to insert an incompetent pushover as ultimate ruler of a deeply fractured kingdom, it is hard not to agree with her during the takeover. In fact, it took the entire latter half of the show's obvious demonization and sanity slippage of her for many to consider that perhaps, she was not that great of a choice anyway.
- Batman: The Animated Series:
- More than a few fans wanted Mr. Freeze to save his wife, even when his plans to do so involved killing other people. It doesn't hurt that each appearance made him more sympathetic, with his canonically final appearance in Batman Beyond being one of the biggest Tear Jerkers in the entire DCAU.
- Harley Quinn is the poster-girl for Mad Love and an in-universe proponent of Draco in Leather Pants, who honestly believes that "Mr. J" is a sweet guy and the innocent victim of that mean old bat, and frequently helps in his schemes of murder and mayhem. Many fans claim that if given the opportunity, they would do the exact same thing in her position.
- The Penguin. The short, fat, fish-slurping guy everyone in Gotham laughs at. It just gives you such a good feeling on those rare occasions when he gets away with his crimes or kicks some serious ass. Or that occasion in that one episode where he told Batman to his face to get lost, because for once it was the Penguin saving the Damsel in Distress.
- The DCAU depicted Batsy's Rogues Gallery in general as a big, fun-loving dysfunctional family, making it easy for fans to root for them against the endlessly grim Dark Knight despite their evil deeds.
- There is a subset of Captain Planet fans that cheers for the Ecovillains, just because the show itself makes them Anviliciously nasty to support its Green Aesop. The writers must have been listening because there was an episode where Lootin did win, and man it was a Downer Ending.
- Danny Phantom has a huge number of fans for the villains who are more liked than the main hero.
- The Urpneys in The Dreamstone, due to the extremely overwhelming Sympathetic P.O.V., and that so few of them are genuinely malicious outside serving Zordrak out of fear. They are usually more complex and amusing characters than the sickly sweet Land Of Dreams, and the relentless slapstick abuse they suffer from both the heroes and their Bad Boss leads them to come off more as deeply pitiful punching bags than proper villains. Later episodes at least made some plot alterations to make the heroes look more sympathetic, but it was still hard not to want the Urpneys to come out on top for once.
- Many fans of The Fairly OddParents want either Crocker or Norm to win, especially as with each season Timmy becomes more and more of a Jerkass. Crocker being a Jerkass Woobie and Norm being a magnificent Deadpan Snarker probably helps.
- Many fans and detractors of Ultimate Spider-Man find themselves cheering on the villains. Drake Bell's Spider-Man is a real Base Breaker and his teammates are MASSIVE Jerkasses who bully and mistreat him constantly, all of which make the protagonists look Unintentionally Unsympathetic. The villains on the other hand are Creepy Awesome characters channeling Evil Is Cool and tend to be the part many people think is worth watching. There's also the fact that some major villains on the show are portrayed in a very sympathetic light. Particularly Venom, who is actually Harry Osborn, who is genuinely a good person, who cannot control the symbiote and is easily the most sympathetic character on the show. It really doesn't help that these villains are voice by beloved veterans like Maurice LaMarche, Clancy Brown, and Tom Kenny.
- A great deal of Invader Zim fans sympathize with the Villain Protagonist's goal of conquering the Earth. It helps that humans (except for Dib and Gaz) are thoroughly Too Dumb to Live and probably wouldn't even notice.
- There were a few Kim Possible fans that at least want Shego to actually beat Kim whenever they have a confrontation, as they find it a bit too much to swallow that Shego keeps being defeated by a teenage spy who shouldn't have been able to take on a superpowered foe hand to hand. Which explains why you have fanfics that say Shego purposely held back in each confrontation they had. For various reasons.
- My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic:
- An incredibly popular version of this is the New Lunar Republic - fans who resent the reign of supposed "tyrant" Celestia and would rather Luna take the throne. Whether or not this counts as Rooting For The Empire depends on whether they're rooting for Luna or Nightmare Moon. Luna is not an example because she's ultimately good (if only a little impulsive), and the legitimate arguments against her right to the throne are purely political. Those who flat out rooted for Nightmare Moon... play this trope straight.
- Discord enjoys enormous popularity, many of his fans wanting the fun-loving, Laughably Evil Trickster to succeed in his goal of eternal chaos. It didn't hurt that in his introductory episode, one of the main characters (namely Pinkie Pie) seemed perfectly fine with a guy who makes chocolate milk rain from the sky. To some extent those fans got to have their cake and eat it too when Discord was freed and reformed without losing his wacky personality.
- The Changelings have their fans, arguing that despite the cruelty of their queen, most Changelings just want something to eat.
- The Dazzlings from My Little Pony Equestria Girls: Rainbow Rocks have an ample amount of fans rooting for them to win, despite their world domination goal. They do get a Villain Has a Point moment in the movie when they orchestrate the Battle of the Bands (what's so wrong with a little competition, indeed?). The rest of it stems from Evil Is Cool and Evil Is Sexy tropes, which the Dazzlings exploit for all they're worth (being Enthralling Sirens and all). Other factors include the leader of the group being one of the most effective antagonists in the franchise, another member is a hilarious, adorable ditz comparable to Pinkie Pie, many people think their songs are by far superior to the main characters', they are only the second villains in the franchise to have a battle scene (Tirek was the first), firmly cementing the Evil Is Cool factor, and the Equestria Girls series is polarizing in the first place, so some would rather have the villains win instead of the heroes.
- Given his HORRIBLE childhood, it's not hard for Phineas and Ferb fans to want Doofenshmirtz to win just once. It helps that most of his plans are pretty harmless.
- Played with X9 in Samurai Jack. The episode he is in focuses on him, showing that he was hunting Jack because Aku was holding the robot's dog hostage. The episode was designed for you to root for the poor robot. Jack cuts him down without a pause; he's just another robot mook to him.
- Spongebob Squarepants:
- In episodes made after the movie (and some before), Mr. Krabs' schoolyard-bully gloating of Plankton's failure makes Plankton the more sympathetic character to the audience. What doesn't help is that the mass flanderization of both characters has led Krabs to have less redeeming aspects than Plankton. In some cases, Krabs actually goes out of his way to ruin Plankton's rare legitimate efforts or make him miserable in the same ruthless manner as vice versa, and due to their roles, is more likely to succeed (eg. "Plankton's Regular").
- Can happen to Spongebob himself, especially in episodes where he goes up against Squidward. He may be a Jerk Ass, but Squidward is also the show's Only Sane Man, The Chew Toy, Butt Monkey, and Deadpan Snarker, so he gets sympathy from a lot of fans compared to the obnoxious, inane, callous, and occasionally sociopathic title character. It's different in episodes where Squidward picks on or tricks Spongebob, but often his motivation is just to avoid him and be left alone. Imagine if you had a neighbor like Spongebob, and this becomes a rather understandable desire.
- Star Wars: The Clone Wars in general already had this given the Evil Is Cool nature of a number of the villains as the show improved, particularly the regular battle droid, who mostly come off as Punch Clock Villains doing what they're ordered to, never appear especially malevolent, at times descend into Ineffectual Sympathetic Villain territory due to how hilarious they are. But in an interesting case of Evil Versus Evil in the episode "Massacre", this trope can still be applied with outnumbered Asaaj and the Nightsisters taking a much larger droid army led by General Grievous. Grievous, unlike Assaj, has no sympathetic qualities to him, but many viewers were rooting for him and the droids due to Asaaj and the Nightsisters earlier actions during the Nightsister trilogy of episodes, and that he had the battle droids, who came off as more likable than the Nightsisters.
- Many Titan Maximum fans want Gibbs to destroy the insufferable main characters. The show was left in limbo with a cliffhanger of Mercury being incinerated by the sun and the heroes have no ship to fly off... so he already has.
- A small contingent of Transformers fans feel that the Decepticons are the real good guys, and that the Autobots are evil. Granted, a few continuities show that the Bots aren't perfect paragons of justice, and the Cons had good reasons to rebel, but stories where Decepticons take small children hostage (or kill a puppy) show that they are NOT nice mechs.
- Given a bit more weight in Transformers Animated in which the Autobots are the ruling empire led by someone who's just a bit too willing to do bad things to achieve victory for comfort while the Decepticons are the scrappy rebels, albeit vicious and ruthless ones.
- In the IDW comics the Autobot government was evil (well corrupt at least) and the Decepticons were laid off blue collar workers living in slums until this one miner showed up... (Most of the story is set millions of years later, by which point they're rather less sympathetic.)
- One of the movie prequel comics showed one part of the falling out between the Autobots and Decepticons was Prime wouldn't allow Megatron to attack a hostile force on their way to Cybertron, until they arrived and started attacking. Megatron was just trying to protect Cybertron.
- In the Transformers: War for Cybertron continuity, Megatron was initially a gladiator who rebelled against an oppressive, caste-based society ruled by the Autobots, so initially it was the Autobots themselves who were the Empire and you should have rooted against. But Megatron became too prideful and ruthless, to the point his ideal of a caste-less society was buried by his desire to rule. Transformers seems to have been moving over the years from "Decepticons evil, Autobots good" to an almost Star Wars-like setup, where Cybertronian society badly needed shaking up but the Cons went too far and the necessities of war turned the Autobots into the casteless society the Decepticons wanted, while the Decepticons became too obsessed to remember their original intentions.
- The Megatron in Beast Wars seems to imply that the Predacons are currently stuck as servants to the ruling Maximal class and its Council of Elders. Megatron himself is made into a very nationalistic figure, fighting to improve the lot of his suffering people after their terrible losses in the last war, damn the consequences. And get power himself in the process. He still manages to maintain a following in Beast Machines despite being a lot more evil and wiping Cybertron clean of Maximals and Predacons alike.
- Transformers Prime depicts the Decepticons as having a colorful range of personalities. For some of the less evil ones like Dreadwing and Predaking, it can be hard to not root for them at times.
- In The Venture Bros. Daddy Venture commonly forgets about everyone and everything important to him. Anything halfway decent he horribly abuses. The villain, the Monarch, cares about his named henchmen, cares about the emotional health of his prisoners and participates in the 'Scared Straight' program when he spent time in the slammer. If it wasn't for the Monarch's occasional efforts to outright rip apart the Ventures, it'd be hard to tell who was the villain. Many viewers will compensate by rooting for Brock, who's a friendly, cool guy that genuinely cares about the Venture boys as if they were his own sons, and yet over the course of the series racks up a higher body count than Dr. Venture and the Monarch combined. Lampshaded at one point when Dr. Venture is groomed to be a villain, and shown to be a better potential villain than heroic Super Scientist.
- Who hasn't wanted Dick Dastardly and Muttley to succeed? Whether it's at winning a race or stopping that pigeon. It helps the two bad guys always got much more screen time then the heroes in their shows, and Dastardly's alleged cheating is often considered legitimate when performed by other supposedly "fair-playing" racers. His one victory was discounted due to him extending his vehicle, something that has been done countless times before by others in the show's run. Then there was that one time he got a ticket for speeding, which makes it look like the universe is deliberately trying to keep him from winning.
- In Wakfu we have Nox. At first he just seems to be a Giggling Ax-Crazy Big Bad, we come to learn why he is doing this. Because of his obsession with the Eliacube, his family left him and they get killed in a flood. So he is planning to drain all of the wakfu he could get so he can go back in time and stop this accident, not to mention if he did pull it off all of his actions would have been reversed anyway. You can't help but feel sorry for him when 200 years of his work only turns time back 20 minutes and seeing that he will never save his family simply goes to their grave and dies. The Prequel episode showing his Start of Darkness only seems to reenforce this.
- X-Men: Evolution: The original Brotherhood members just don't come off as evil to many fans, despite all the horrendous things they did. That they are just the "Bad" in a The Good, the Bad, and the Evil situation lends a certain degree of sympathy, as does how they're constantly abandoned or generally treated horribly by everyone, including their supposed allies.
- Looney Tunes:
- In Chuck Jones' autobiography Chuck Amuck, he lists ten rules that every Road Runner cartoon had to adhere to, the last of which was "The audience's sympathy must remain with the Coyote." See The Other Wiki for the full list.
- Tom, Donald, Sylvester, and Wile E. Coyote from the Tom and Jerry, Sylvester and Tweety, Disney Shorts and Road Runner cartoons respectively, amass a lot of sympathy given their opponents are jerks or Invincible Heroes and reality seems to bend to their will. Tom seems to get the most of it, which is understandable because he's taking abuse from both the mouse who is breaking into his home and often his owners for failing to catch the trespassing mouse, and many episodes make it IMPOSSIBLE to root for Jerry. Jerry sabotaging Tom's attempts to woo a girl cat and ruining his concerto performances, for example, make him downright unlikeable. To compensate in a lot more shorts in the 50s and 60s Tom actually DID win (usually when Jerry acted without provocation).
- Yosemite Sam was created by Friz Freleng because he feared Elmer Fudd's haplessly and Affably Evil demeanor would provoke this trope and make Bugs look like a bully. A lot of the later shorts went to extreme lengths to present foes who were so utterly unlikable that their losses could be seen as extreme Laser-Guided Karma that they brought on themselves (e.g. De Patie Freleng shorts such as Moby Duck and Well Worn Daffy, which evolved Daffy Duck into a needlessly ruthless villain (if still hapless and bumbling) against an excessively empathetic and forgiving Speedy Gonzales).
- The retooling of Bugs Bunny. His initial appearances had him as more of a Screwy Squirrel who messed with people because it was fun. The "canon" version only brings the hurt after having been provoked ("Of course you realize, dis' means war!") or deliberately targeted by a predator (The Tasmanian Devil, Wile E. Coyote).
- Happens in-universe, sort of, in a couple of the Discworld books, particularly Lords and Ladies and Carpe Jugulum. In both cases it's really only the witches who are willing and able to oppose the elves (in the first) and the Magpyrs (in the second), and even they occasionally struggle with the temptation; if Esme Weatherwax had a will made of some weaker material (like, say, iron) both books could have ended very differently.
- In The Addams Family, the family wound up having this problem when they enrolled their children in public school. Wednesday came home in tears after the first day after being read a story where a poor, innocent dragon was ruthlessly slaughtered by a sinister knight in cold, gleaming armor. (The example from the Addams Family film above is probably taken from this episode, because Morticia also complains about Hansel and Gretel in it.)
- In the All in the Family episode "Two's a Crowd", Archie says to Mike: "You're the kind of guy who watches a John Wayne movie and roots for the Indians!". Becomes Harsher in Hindsight when Values Dissonance kicks in, as many people do indeed root for the Native Americans in those films for obvious reasons.
- On The Big Bang Theory, Sheldon identifies with The Grinch ("I was right there with him all the way until he gave in to the Holiday Who Whooey at the end") and according to Leonard roots for the Sun against Frosty the Snowman ("A bit of frozen, supernatural ephemera in a stolen hat)". Another episode reveals that Sheldon actually does root for the Empire.
Sheldon: Aside from their tendency to build Death Stars, I've always been an Empire man.
- How I Met Your Mother:
- Barney apparently applies this trope to the majority of movies he's seen. He gets called out on rooting for Johnny in The Karate Kid, and the rest of the group bring up a plethora of movies, all of which he roots for the villain in them, including Principal Vernon in The Breakfast Clubnote , and Hans in Die Hardnote . It's never been confirmed if he does this for the Trope Namer, but he does have a life-size stormtrooper in his apartment. Barney also refuses to accept that the characters he roots for are villains.
- In Leverage Sophie's terrible acting skills and even worse singing abilities cause a theatre reviewer to invoke this trope.
Parker: (reading the review) Never before has a production of The Sound of Music made me root for the Nazis.
- In Boondocks, Huey says he hated the The Patriot so much that he found himself wishing the British would win so he could go home.
- Candorville- Roxanne considers the villain of almost any movie to be the real hero.
- Drabble did an in-story version, with Norman commenting that he realized how very conservative his father was when they saw Star Wars (Episode IV, no less) and Dad was cheering for Darth Vader.
- Jason of FoxTrot also cheers for Darth Vader. He even tried to convince George Lucas to digitally insert him into the Special Edition as "Jason Skywalker", a Jedi who eventually turns to The Dark Side. He also refers to Luke as "a fool" because he doesn't turn to the Dark Side.
- Garfield roots for the monster that ate Tokyo in a movie, because "anything that eats everything can't be all bad".
- When watching the movie "Lassie Crosses the Freeway", Garfield mentions that he's rooting for the trucks.
- As Jon and Garfield watch a film about a man-eating lion, we know who roots for whom. Even when the lion gets killed in the end, Garfield happily notes that he ended with a score of "Villagers: 1 Lion: 42".
- In an Evil Versus Evil example, Garfield goes to the movie theater to see The Sludge Monster Meets Vermin Man no fewer than nine times, always wearing Sludge Monster memorabilia and holding up a sign cheering on the Sludge Monster - even though the Sludge Monster absolutely terrifies him, to the point that he can't sleep at night for fear of being Sludged.
- The Order of the Stick:
Belkar: No, no, no! Don't lean in, he's got a poison tooth!
- Invoked with Tarqin, who explains that he follows all of the Evil Is Cool tropes to a T to provoke this sort of reaction from anyone who hears of the story, thus immortalizing him into a legend.
- A blink-and-you'll-miss-it example from earlier in the same arc; during a run of comics thick with Dune references (including an appearance from a Sand Worm), Belkar can be seen actually reading Dune - and, being Belkar, appears to be rooting for Baron Harkonnen.
- One Punch Man:
- The primary reason why hero slayer Garou started his rampage. When he was a kid, he always had to play the monster part in his classmates' heroes vs. monsters game which the other kids used to bully him. He therefore started to identify with the monsters rather than with the heroes which he saw as degenerated and arrogant.
- In Garfield and Friends Garfield tries to tell the story of Hansel and Gretel to Nermal, but Nermal ended up feeling bad for the witch at the end of the story, forcing Garfield to try and come up with an ending that gives the witch a much happier ending. It should be noted that Nermal's horrified reaction to the story didn't really stem from him being evil by any stretch of the means, but rather his innocent persona prevented him from really seeing the witch as evil.
- In the Rugrats "Passover" episode, Angelica immediately identifies with Pharaoh and feels sorry that she loses.
- In the Family Guy episode "Herpe the Love Sore", Peter and his friends get beaten up by a group of bullies, who are allowed to get away with it because they're American soldiers. Afterwards, an exasperated Peter says "I can't believe I have to root for Afghanistan now."