Vegeta killing Burter and Recoome in cold blood after Goku defeated them. Goku states that Vegeta was being cruel, but Vegeta then retorts that their deaths were deserved, especially since Gohan and Krillin were on the verge of death, and that they had killed countless people under Frieza's orders. While Goku states that having a little compassion isn't a disadvantage, sparing the Ginyu Force would have caused far more harm than good. This is further emphasized later on when Goku spares their even more sadistic leader Frieza's life at least twice — which only prompts Frieza to try to stab Goku in the back both times.
Although Vegeta was too harsh with Gohan about him getting weaker in the Buu saga and how his fight with Dabura was a "disgrace," he made a good point.
In the Saiyan Saga, Yajirobe invokes this after the fight against Vegeta, calling out Chi-Chi for focusing entirely on Gohan, who was merely unconscious, while ignoring Goku, who didn't have a single unbroken bone in his body.
In Zatch Bell! Brago has just burned the book of a mamodo Zatch befriended. Zatch, angry asks what right Brago had to do that. Brago then proceeds to remind Zatch that the very battle Zatch too is part of requires the destruction of mamodo books to decide a victor. Brago may be a jackass at this point of the series rather than short tempered and violent, but he was definitely within his rights as a contestant.
Revolutionary Girl Utena: The resident Jerk AssButt Monkeys Saionji and Nanami start making good points and recognising how they all are being manipulated towards the end of the series, but by then, each are teetering on the brink of insanity, so no-one listens to them.
Weiß Kreuz: Reiji Takatori is the Big Bad of the TV series, and antagonizes Weiss and their boss Persia aka his brother Shuiichi. However, in a certain confrontation, he brings up a pretty valid point in regards to their subordinates (which in Reiji's case, are his own sonsHirofumi and Masafumi), summed up as this: "You tell ME I use my sons to my advantage?! Look at the way you treat your four subordinates, you hypocrite! Specially the little guy whom you thought he was my kid... and who happens to be YOUR illegitimate son!" And then he kills Persia.
Orochimaru was the one who gave Tsunade the idea of starting a unit of medical ninjas to minimize battlefield casualties, though that was way before he turned to full-blown villainy. He was a recognized hero of Konoha, pegged to be the next Hokage and genuinely her friend at the time. Though he never was nice, even then, so the trope still applies.
Sasuke gets this from time to time in Part 1. When Sakura complains about Naruto and says that he is a Bratty Half-Pint because he has no parents (which definitely strikes a nerve for Sasuke), Sasuke tells Sakura that she has no idea what Naruto went through, and after he leaves, she decides to start being nicer to Naruto. Shortly before the Chunin Exam, he tells her that she's as annoying as Naruto is and in terms of skill, even weaker than he is. During the Forest of Death, when Naruto and Sasuke are incapacitated, Sakura realizes that despite thinking herself superior to Naruto, she can't do anything when it counts, and goes through Character Development as a result.
Sakura got to be this in the Forest of Death as well, calling Sasuke out for always having such a superior attitude while talking to Naruto, and yet now was frozen in fear while Naruto fought for their lives.
The Fourth Raikage is often depicted as arrogant, stubborn and somewhat hypocritical. When Naruto's pleas for him not to kill Sasuke are dismissed as weakness, Naruto agrees to the extent that he has to either save or kill Sasuke himself.
Played with in the case of the Nine-Tailed Demon Fox, when Naruto heads out into the Fourth Ninja World War. In a conversation in his subconscious, Naruto declares that he will end the war himself, and won't let anyone down, The Nine-Tails points out that hatred and grudges have shaped the way of the world for as long as there has been shinobi, and the war is just another example of that hatred being brought to the surface, asking him how he expects to overcome it, if he's expected to use it. He then gets specific and mentions Naruto's failure to turn Sasuke, and noted that he has carried that hatred even as far back as their first meeting as children. While Naruto makes it clear what he will deal with Sasuke, and end the war, he has met a number of foes have largely been Zetsu copies, and zombies of legendary ninjawho want to rest in peace, before another example of this trope, Itachi, points out that taking it all on yourself can make you arrogant and no better than Tobi. So, in one sense, Nine-Tails was onto something...
Another example with the Nine-Tails. When the resurrected Minato blames himself for all of the damage Tobi/Obito has caused because he never realized Tobi's true identity, Kurama is quick to point out that Minato had no way of knowing that Obito was still alive, and even then, it wouldn't have changed a thing; Kurama still had to be stopped, and the Obito Minato knew was long dead by then, so it would have been pointless to try to reason with him.
Also, the Second Hokage, Tobirama, comes off as a bit of an asshole with his opinion on the Uchiha. However, given their actions (Uchiha being responsible for a past attack on Konoha, the current war, and most of Akatsuki's actions), he had reasons to be wary. And while definitely an ass about it and obviously acting under the premise of Keeping the Enemy Close, he never actually caused them any harm. Nor did he have a problem trusting individual members of the clan who he felt had proved their loyalty.
Medaka Box: Right after being defeated, Kumagawa makes an point about Medaka's decision to make Kumagawa her Vice-President remarking that she's ignoring Zenkichi's feelings. Personal feelings aside, Kumagawa was nonetheless a dangerous minus who blinded Zenkichi, so distrust of Kumagawa was still partially justified.
Naze calls out the rest of the student council for their bystander attitude after Medaka beats Zenkichi into a bloody pulp.
Kumagawa does it again in Chapter 174. While erasing Zenkichi from existence was quite extreme, it manages to force Shiranui to admit her true feelings rather than continuing her Jerkass Façade.
Fullmetal Alchemist: Solf J. Kimblee. Jerkass has many points. Played especially straight in Ch. 60 where he lectures Mustang and Hawkeye about the nature of killing, free will, and military duty in the midst of war. Kimblee's words affect them so much, they decide to lose the self-pity, accept responsibility for their acts, and atone by putting into motion a long-term plan to change the leadership of the country from below.
In One Piece, after Kaku is revealed as a Cipher Pol 9 spy, Zoro asks him if the fact that he is not a real shipwright means that his assessment that the Going Merry was unable to reach the next island was incorrect, but Kaku says that he was telling the truth back then. Later on, when he goes to the place where Franky and Usopp are going to the ship, he chides Usopp for keeping Merry around, before dumping it into the stormy ocean. Kaku is correct, and the Merry falls apart after saving the Straw Hats from Enies Lobby.
Hody Jones states the painful and obvious truth when giving Princess Shirahoshi "The Reason You Suck" Speech. While yes, it was admirable that she kept quiet about who her mother's killer was and wanted to "prevent the cycle of hatred" from continuing, but by not telling anyone said person grew only worse in their murderous, racist ways before they would eventually initiate a bloody coup d'etat on the kingdom.
In a similar way to Hody, Crocodile tells Luffy that he finds Vivi's idealism impractical, suggesting that the idea of saving everyone is naive. Luffy agrees, but points out that as she's willing to risk her own life to stop his Evil Plan, he'll fight so she doesn't have to.
Although none of the main characters responded to the "villain" Doflamingo's speech during the war at Marineford, it strikes many audience members as sad but true.
In Yu-Gi-Oh!, Joey Wheeler's deck gets stolen by a kid, but quickly gets it back. Later, he faces Weevil Underwood in a duel, but finds that his deck has been sabotaged, putting him at a disadvantage. Joey and his friends realize that Weevil hired the kid to sabotage the deck and angrily condemn Weevil for cheating. Weevil confirms this, but retorts that it is Joey's fault for being so stupid and naive as to not inspect his deck after getting it back.
Later on in the arc, when Yugi is going to confront Joey/Jounouchi, Kaiba, in the original Japanese, tells Yugi that while he showed him the power of cooperation in the tag duel with the Masks of Light and Darkness, he wonders how much that idea will hold up now that his friend is possessed. In the dub, this is changed to him telling Yugi he won't help him unless he stands to benefit.
Weevil gets a bigger one later, in the Doma Arc. When Yami tells him he's horrible, Weevil points out that Yami had used the Seal of Orichalcos in order to win despite knowing that he'd be putting his friend in danger, and that Yugi paid the price. Weevil acknowledges that he is indeed an asshole, but points out that at least he didn't use the seal knowing that he could endanger his friends. Even though he tries not to show it, Yami is visibly affected.
During the Virtual World Arc, Lector of The Big Five calls out Kaiba on the way he used and abused both The Big Five, and his own brother, Mokuba, during his coup against his father Gozaburo. While Lector's a bastard, and in no position to criticize, he's not wrong when he points out how unacceptable Kaiba's behaviour was.
Oberstein of Legend of Galactic Heroes is a magnificent example of this trope. There is practically no one in the show who likes the guy, and yet he always makes arguments that, although devoid of concepts such as honor and often morals, are simply correct and most effective when looked at logically. Even Reinhard states that he has not once liked Oberstein as a person, but followed his advice the most because "that man makes arguments that are so right, they leave no room for debate".
In the concept pilot, Orihime's murderous father tells her she shouldn't confess her feelings to Ichigo after her death, because it'll leave him in even more pain.
At the beginning of the Arrancar Arc, Grimmjow points out it's a mistake to let Ichigo live. He's right.
Zommari tells Byakuya that the shinigami weren't meant to be hollow-hunters and he should be questioning why shinigami descended into that state from their original duty. He's right. Shinigami were originally Balancers not hollow-hunters.
When Yamamoto claims Mayuri only had to kill 28,000 Rukongai souls to correct the world soul-balance because his division was too incompetent to identify the Quincy threat fast enough to prevent things getting that bad, Mayuri bluntly tells him it's entirely Yamamoto's fault because Mayuri foresaw the Quincy threat as a result of Uryuu's actions during the Soul Society arc. However, Yamamoto dismissed Mayuri's concerns as paranoid which left the Gotei 13 unprepared for future Quincy attacks.
In Bakuman。, Nanamine, who has a morally dubious plan to rise to the top of Jump, had once sent the main characters as fan mail, but stopped when they started writing Tanto, saying they weren't suited to gag manga. This is a bit of an odd case, in that it takes a while for Nanamine to be revealed as a Jerk Ass, and this opinion was shared by the majority of the characters. He also says that like him, the main characters took risks and defied their editors at times to get what they wanted.
In the finale of Death Note, Near, who, like L, largely only takes on cases that interests him rather than a out of a sense of justice, but hates Kira responds to Light Yagami's Motive Rant by telling him that "you're nothing more than a crazy serial killer." No one in the room besides Light, even those who don't like Near, contest that assertion, and Ide says that while he doesn't like Near, if Near hadn't won, Ide and the rest of the task force would be dead.
In Area 88, Kanzaki of all people warns Ryoko that her fixation on Shin is pathological. He tells Ryoko that her obsession with an absentee Shin is reminiscent of his mother's obsession with his estranged father, which ended with his mother's suicide. Kanzaki's observation was validated in later manga issues that did not make it stateside. Ryoko unsuccessfully attempted suicide after Shin broke her heart over the phone.
Ryoko: I feel bad about saying this, but I think your mother must have been a very weak person. To end up like that, I mean. Even if I were in her situation and lost my man. As long as I had the memory of the love I shared, I'm sure I would be able to handle it. And I would never involve a small child in my problems.
Kanzaki: It's easy to have such an idealistic attitude. But, would your attitude hold up if you were really faced with the same kind of situation? ... Shin has been missing a long time. And you don't know whether he's alive or dead. Yet, you still love him. In retrospect, is your situation any different?
Knuckles of Sonic X is rather aloof and arrogant, and makes severe tactical mistakes like falling for Eggman's fake Heel Face Turns. However some of his resentment towards Sonic's reckless behaviour does make sense (he did get everyone stuck on Earth by acting showy in a fight with Eggman's machinery) and he often points out the stupidity of some of the team's plans. It doesn't help the team tend to just make him their punching bag as a response.
In Muhyo And Roji, while Roji has been given leave from his position as Muhyo's assistant to learn an important lesson about what it is he needs to do. The one who convinces him that rather than worry about his own capabilities, which would leave him useless to Muhyo, he should support Muhyo, is Ebisu, Goryo'sunpleasant and amoral (but also at times sympathetic) sidekick, who does so after telling him his criminal past and loyalty to the Goryo group for taking him in, which allowed him to ultimately accept being fired for his mistake.
Goryo himself later reveals that Ivy's parents were not innocent victims, but rejected an offer of lenience and killed magical law officers while resisting arrest. Surprisingly enough, though, at the end of his fight with Ivy, he has a few chances to Pet the Dog.
While he's typically the hero, Muhyo sends the spirit of Fujiwara to the equivalent of purgatory, saying that his loss against a rain dog was proof of "ineptitude or negligence, neither of which earns (Muhyo's) sympathy". Roji, despite being typically idealistic and kind-hearted, doesn't question this but does question why Muhyo is performing so many sentencings and using up his tempering even before facing Sophie.
Done with Tomoe frequently from Kamisama Kiss. The guy's default personality is sarcastic asshole and the people he likes are not exempt from that sarcasm or his general dickish behavior. That being said, he regularly gives the heroine Nanami sound advice. Too bad she never really listens.
In the Girls und Panzer prequel manga "Little Army", Miho's friend Emi acts very hostile toward Miho's older sister Maho from their first meeting, causing friction between Miho and Emi. Eventually, Emi reveals the cause of her antipathy toward Maho; Emi's older sister's team went up against Maho's team. While Maho's team was winning, one of its tanks fell into the water, and Emi's sister's team's flag tank went after it, but Maho's tank took the opportunity to shoot at the flag tank and win. Miho is hesitant to believe this, but she asks Maho whether it's true, and is quite upset to hear that it is.
In the main series manga, after the match with Anzio (which waspassed over in the anime), Anchovy, the commander, acts like a Sore Loser, angrily saying she doesn't accept Miho's way of tankery and saying that there is no meaning to tankery unless you strive for victory. Miho fires back with an Armor-Piercing Question that asks if Anchovy believes that her and her team's efforts are meaningless because they lost and says her comrades are most important, but Anchovy replies that the commander's responsibility is to lead the team to victory. Ultimately, it turns out that the only way for Oarai to avert being shut down is to place first in the tournament, something none of Miho's team wants, so it is necessary for Miho to win, although Miho doesn't know that at the time and it's unclear whether Anchovy does.
Rurouni Kenshin: Anti-Hero Saitou is generally placed in this role. Though Kenshin's non-killing philosophy prevails in most instances, Saitou points out that Kenshin's philosophy often gives him more challenges and grief against opponents who do not share it. He also coldly points out that Sano's skills would be of little use in a match in Kyoto, and proves it in a fistfight. Sano actually heeded the lesson and Took a Level in Badass en route to Kyoto.
Similarly, Magdaria and Shouzo were doing a great job of not provoking the police, who had stopped them for no reason other than they were Christians in the lisghtest... when Sanosuke jumped out from behind a bush and beat the crap out of them and probably got mistaken for a Christian (after all, who else would have bothered?). This is the kind of thing that Real Life activists from oppressed minority groups avoid unless they want to deepen the impression that they're a bunch of dangerous lunatics, so even if Magdaria could have been a little less harsh, she had a very good reason to not be happy.
In Kotoura-san, Hiyori points out that Haruka's telepathy is an incredible invasion of privacy. Does this excuse in any way, shape, or form, the way she and others treat her for most of the story? Not really... but it's still a valid point. On the other hand, Haruka is unable to turn off her mind reading power, and so has no choice but to read others' minds- her main problem is being unable to keep that ability, and some of her findings, secret.
In Puella Magi Oriko Magica, Homura's deciding to only focus on protecting Madokawhen Oriko and witch-Kirika attack their middle school for the express purpose of killing Madoka, earns Homura a What the Hell, Hero? from Madoka herself that tells her that if she feels that way, she shouldn't try to save anyone. Homura responds that she can't save everyone in this case, and should be at least able to protect Madoka; Mami makes a similar point about not being able to save everyone in the school in an internal monologue. Unfortunately, one of the people they're unable to save is Madoka herself.
In Wanna Be The Strongest In The World, local Jerkass Rio Kazama, who is quite infamous for injuring an Idol and putting the main character on a "Shame Hold" just for kicks, has a point when she berates the former for saying Pro Wrestling is easy, which is further proven when the main character, who is unexperienced in Pro Wrestling, gets utterly defeated for 3 episodes in a row.
In Attack on Titan, Levi's Brutal Honesty, despite often making him appear like a jerk, is usually proven right. During Eren's trial, he openly criticizes the merchants for being greedy pigs, but he is absolutely correct since they care more about their safety and business than caring about starving refugees. He also harshly ordered Eren to figure out a way to transform into a Titan because if he didn't, then any chance of reclaiming Wall Maria was gone, and there would be a high possibility that Eren would be handed over to the Military Police Brigade who would then execute him.
In Sailor Moon, Rei/Sailor Mars may be a bitch and a unsympathetic bully towards Usagi, but sometimes, she is angry out of frustration for having to deal with somebody as irresponsible and lazy as Usagi, as Usagi at first does not take her Sailor Scout duties seriously. This is pointed out when Makoto once gets angry at Rei and accuses her of wanting Usagi to be hurt, but Rei tells her that she's just as worried as Makoto and the other girls are.
Silver Spoon: Hachiken's father has several. For example, expecting someone, even your parents, to fund your start up when your business plan consists solely of cheerful optimism isn't going to happen, and piling on more and more activities when you've already overworked yourself into the hospital once (the circumstances were extreme, but still) is not a good idea.
In Tegami Bachi, when Zazie's parents come to pick him up from the orphanage, having paid off their debt and not having to worry about him, being taken as collateral, Zazie refuses to recognize them as his parents, having developed trust issues. The cruel, two-faced orphan matron tells him that "If they're not your parents, why would they want a brat like you?" (Ironically, she is the main cause of Zazie's trust issues). Zazie realizes as his parents are leaving that they "made no excuses and told no lies" when challenged, but a Gaichuu eats their hearts before Zazie can talk with them again.
In Zeta Gundam the only character to consistently call Kamille out on his Moral Myopia is archenemy Jerid Messa. While Jerid is an arrogant Jerk Jock with a history of war crimes under his belt, he's not wrong when he laughs in Kamille's face over his insistence that all the enemy soldiers are murderers, given that at this point Kamille has killed as many of their comrades as they've killed his.
In Happiness Charge Pretty Cure, Iona has major trust issues towards Hime, snubbing her and essentially being mean to her, even telling Hime's partner Megumi to not trust her. After so long, Iona reveals why: Hime opened the Axia Box and released the Phantom Empire that is currently ravaging the planet. While Hime claims she didn't mean to harm anyone by her actions, Iona's trust issues are justified as Hime's actions caused many lives to be taken away, including Iona and Hime's families. However, this is eventually softened by the fact that while it's Hime's fault that the Earth is being attacked, it's Iona's fault that her sister was taken, as said sister sacrificed herself to protect Iona, who ventured too close to a battle.
In volume 4 of Empowered, the protagonist is overjoyed to be running for the Caped Justice Awards, until Sistah Spooky informs her that the award is a setup used to publicly humiliate the receiver and that she should watch out. Given that Sistah Spooky has been nothing but antagonistic from day one (not to mention breaking her own pedestal, since Empowered was a big fan of hers until they met), she assumes Sistah is just raining on her parade. She's not.
In both the graphic novel Watchmen and film adaptation of the selfsame, Ozymandias is moved to set his plan into action after The Comedian mocks (Captain Metropolis in the novel, Ozymandias himself in the film) for trying to form a Super Team and points out that with the Cold War inching mankind closer to nuclear annihilation with each passing moment, running around beating up petty criminals was pretty much irrelevant.
The Comedian also condemns Dr. Manhattan for his noninterference. The Comedian shoots a pregnant Vietnamese woman over Manhattan's objections, and is then chastised for it. While this is obviously a heinous crime, he correctly points out that Manhattan could have prevented it with his godlike powers, by teleporting either party away or changing the gun into something harmless, but chose not to. As it turns out,this passive observation eventually leads to the deaths of thousands, if not millions.
In Sin City: The Big Fat Kill, while Dwight's driving a car loaded with dead bodies – including a dead cop who wouldn't fit in the trunk in the passenger seat with a pistol slide lodged in his forehead — he gets pulled over. His passenger immediately starts talking about how screwed he is.
Dwight: This time I can't bring myself to tell him to shut up. Sure he's an asshole. Sure he's dead. Sure I'm just imagining that he's talking to me. None of that stops the bastard from being absolutely right about everything he's saying.
The Beast in Transmetropolitan, who has been heralded as the Ultimate Evil by Spider, manages to make a few surprisingly salient points when doing a pre-election interview. Even Spider grudgingly concedes he may be onto something.
In the October 26, 2013Dilbert strip, the PHB asks a rather simple question that kind of debunks Alice's rather boastful and idealistic one very quickly. To an extent, it also overlaps with Dumbass Has a Point, given the PHB's typical intelligence.
Alice: Futurists say that someday, humans will have the know-how to create an entire universe.
Scrooge: Why in HEAVEN'S name would God bother with insignificantMan? Man is rotten to the corenote A footnote indicates Rom 3:10-19! MAN is a BLIGHT on the earth!
Cratchit: What a coincidence, Mr. Scrooge. The Word of God says the same thing.
Scrooge: It does?
In X-Men (and the Marvel universe in general) Senator Robert Kelly constantly encourages anti-mutant laws and registration. However rather than just being a jerkass he actually has a reason for his rhetoric; namely that mutants can be massive threats to public safety and national security if they choose so or can't control their powers well. The first film has a sequence where he mentions Shadowcat (who's power is to phase through solid matter) and correctly points out how much of a huge security risk such a person could be if they decided to commit crime. It's often pointed out that Kelly does have valid points, but his rhetoric and fiery personality means that he often takes it too far. Later on Character Development causes him to realize this and tone down his anti-mutant stance, keeping his old talking points while also making sure to encourage human/mutant equality. In these regards he's often contrasted with Grayson Creed, who's just an insane bigot.
In the Steven Universe fanfic The Wrath of Topaz, Topaz, who manages to wreak his vengeance on the Crystal Gems after twelve years, actually has every right to be angry at them for throwing him out after he accidentally killed Rose Quartz and not letting him explain himself, even if he is getting a bit carried away with his methods.
In the Jackie Chan Adventures and W.I.T.C.H. crossover fanfic Kage (part of Project Dark Jade, like Queen Of All Oni above), The Queen gives a good argument that Jade is a murderer, based off Jade blasting Shendu's statue form to bits with the Dragon Talisman (even if he did come back later, they had technically killed him) after Jade expresses conflict over the thought of killing Vathek and Tynar. Try as she might, Jade has trouble finding a hole in the Queen's logic.
Sasuke in Naruto Ramen Days rips Tsunade a new one after hearing why she left the village.
Sasuke: "This is the person we went through all this trouble to ask to be our Hokage? Someone who just runs away from all their problems and spends all their time drinking and gambling? Don't think I missed the fact that Jiraiya was looking at casinos and bars when he was trying to find you."
Tsunade: "Now see here, what does a brat like you know about-"
The Tokyo Mew Mew fanfic Girl With a Porpoise is a rewriting of the story, but with Lettuce as the leader character. During a confrontation with Pie, he delivers a speech about his hate for humans. Even Lettuce ends agreeing that people haven't been good to the planet, but that there are still good people trying to help the environment.
Lettuce: How can you turn something so beautiful as a cherry blossom into something so deadly?
Pie: You accuse me of defacing something beautiful? It is you humans who know nothing about beauty. I was horrified when I first arrived on this once beautiful planet. The ugly scars left by humans were obvious everywhere I looked: Machines emitting fumes and dripping crude oils; litter everywhere, even in the oceans; entire species of plants and animals destroyed through overhunting and carelessness; the ozone layer weakening; the night skies once dark and full of stars dimmed. Irreparable damage caused by generations of humans. This planet once belonged to my people. And we will make it ours again, after we have destroyed the entire human race and reshaped the world, restoring it to its former glory, to how it was before the plague known as humans came.
After this he offers her a chance to be saved mentioning that she isn't like the other humans and he solemnly believes it to be due a genetic anomaly.
In the Farscape multicross fanfic "What the Frell Did You Do This Time Erpman?" there is a scene where John Chricton meets with Gaius Baltar, and they can all see the various personalities in each other's head. John, while not a jerkass per se, immediately starts ranting at how unfair it is that despite all his good deeds, all the times he's saved the day, all the sacrifices he's made... and he gets Harvey◊ in his head, while a traitorous, weasel of a man like Gaius gets the super-hot Six◊ living in his head. Harvey starts to protest that a) this is not why they set this conference up, and b) that's not fair to Harvey... but then he takes one long look at Six and admits that, yes, John has a point.
In Stardust, Vahlen might come across to those with outside knowledge as being unnecessarily nasty. The thing is, Twilight is, despite her cute exterior, essentially an Eldritch Abomination to XCOM, with powers that are blatantly physics-breaking and would be very hard to beat if turned against mankind. Some paranoia and suspicion is genuinely justified.
An unintentional example shows up in Curse Of The Demon Pony. Boris, who is a fantastic racist, a Jerk Jock, and a Gastonripoff whom the reader is in no way supposed to care about or like, tells Twilight Sparkle that she should get over Ben Mare, the "special somepony" that she's been constantly pining over for years. It sounds like quite a stretch, especially since he's only saying it to try to get her to be his girlfriend, but in a way, he's right: Twilight always seems to get extremely depressed whenever the subject of her being in a relationship is brought up, and it's been that way for years. Having such depression for so long over one thing and not even trying to get over it is not healthy for anyone. Of course, no-one in the story sees it like this.
Families: Aside from the Fantastic Racism fueling their vendetta against Spike, Olive Branch's anti-Celestia movement actually has some good points, such as the fact that she really does always rely on others to fight the more dangerous threats to Equestria, and the fact that the Royal Guard failed against the changeling invasion despite supposedly being on high alert. Though when it ultimately turns out that Olive Branch was only using the movement as a (poorly thought out) scheme to force Celestia to make him immortal and didn't actually give a damn about her politics, the movement falls apart.
In the Girls und Panzer fanfic Steel CarnageAsuka gives Momo a tongue-lashing for her poor aiming skills, and says keeping her around in spite of that and not helping her improve reflects badly on the rest of the team. Her teammates come to her defense, but Asuka asks if Momo was on the gun in the tournament finals (when Anzu had taken over, with much better results), leaving them unable to answer, and Asuka threatens to get a transfer unless they make improvements. Miho ultimately concludes they didn't do enough to help Momo and apologizes to Momo for that, and they end up working on their performance and convincing Asuka that they have improved.
Yuugao can be quite harsh in the Naruto story NBH, such as criticizing Kurenai for not doing more to help Hinata's confidence issues or dealing with Naruto's moping (attacking him with a sword until he's too busy trying to survive to mope). However, when Kurenai says she has "no place being around children", Yuugao is absolutely right when she points out that she isn't; she's around soldiers.
Kurenai: "It's not her fault, her family..."
Yuugao: "And now you're her teacher. Now, she's your soldier. Now she's your responsibility. She has a problem, it's your job to fix it."
Kurenai: "You can't just magically wave a wand and make someone's problems and insecurities go away."
Yuugao: "And you can't sit there and blame it all on her family when what you try fails."
In Bleach Fan Works, many of the people who flame the fanfic writers have points about the many problems with their fics, even if they write their reviews to be so scathing that they would be difficult to accept even if the writers had the ability to take criticism.
Mass Effect Clash Of Civilizations: Saren, repeatedly. He's still an arrogant, racist bastard, but he takes his assignment as head of security seriously, makes valid points of observation, was correct in that Tali was sending illegal messages and even manages to prevent a potentially lethal situation from escalating by drawing his gun on Captain Miles, giving the ODST a reason not to fire. Couple that with a willingness to sacrifice himself for the team makes it clear that this is not the same Saren confronted in Mass Effect 1, whether or not he will grow into the same form remains to be seen...
In Frozen Hearts, as the brothers of Prince Hans debate whether to ask the king for a pardon for him, they debate the various ramifications of the issue, and hold a poll amongst themselves. The group that votes "no" is composed of the Jerkass brothers, who treated Hans poorly even before he became a political liability as a result of what he did in the movie. However, even the brothers that vote "yes", concede the opposing side has a point that the kingdom's livelihood has suffered, or at least don't contest the point.
In the Fairly OddParents fanfic Never Had A Friend Like MeNorm's new master is a young girl named Amanda, who learns from Norm about other magical creatures. When she inquires about fairies, Norm rants about how fairies think of themselves as better than genies, even though they are just as capable of causing pain as genies. Norm is a proud jerk genie, but he's right: fairies always end their relationships with godchildren not to mention their memories of them, and if they were found out through no fault of their own, they could still lose their fairies and be left miserable. Amanda, an extremely selfless girl, is pretty horrified by that idea, and it's what motivates her to wish for her to be an exception to that rule.
As it turns out Jorgen has a reason for doing this: Fairy Godparents outlive their godchildren, and seperating them at an early age prevents the grief that would ensue if fairies saw their godchildren grow up and die.
In The Rise Of Darth Vulcan the eponymous protagonist has attacked and looted Ponyville, kidnapped a filly, and has insulted everyone and everything in Equestria. But many of his observations-how the Princesses have improperly dealt with or even recognize threats, Luna becoming nothing more than a myth, and how damaging the Elements of Harmony can be- are things that even Princess Celestia can hardly contest. In fact, the trouble started when Vulcan was hit with the Elements of Harmony, something Luna can contest is not a pleasant experience.
While Fai has ostracized, ignored and hated R!Syaoran for the most of the first half of Shatterheart and is being a massive hypocrite about it, he is right that Kurogane and Syaoran have an extremely codependent relationship and hiding the truth would only hurt them in the long run. He also points that regardless that Syaoran initiated the relationship, Kurogane is taking advantage of someone emotionally vulnerable and in love with someone else.
Film - Animated
In Wreck-It Ralph, King Candy's failed Batman Gambit is a form of this. All the characters are video game characters inhabiting their various games. King Candy's argument is that should a glitchy character called Vannelope race and be selected by the players, her glitches could turn players off to the game and cause it to go offline. If the game goes offline, his subjects will be homeless and Vannelope - as a glitch - will be destroyed. Even if he made Vannelope a glitch, King Candy was making a valid point. Letting glitch-prone Vannelope be seen by the players was risky. Though, of course, the players end up loving her because of the glitchiness.
Frozen: While Elsa isn't a jerkass (more stern and aloof), she was harsh when telling her little sister Anna that she won't give her blessing to Anna and Hans' marriage since it was too fast. Considering what kind of person Hans really was, Elsa's point was valid, though she had no way to know it since Hans is that much of a Villain with Good Publicity. Kristoff, who's a Jerk with a Heart of Gold, agrees.
A strange example, but one that nevertheless counts, comes up when Prince Hans, whose true character hasn't yet been revealed tells Elsa not to kill two soldiers who had just tried to kill her, saying that it would make her the monster people feared her as. This is most likely done to manipulate her, since he's able to take advantage of her hesitation to redirect one of their crossbows to knock down the ice chandelier and knock her out, but she accepts his point. He also points out how stupid Anna was for falling for him at first sight- all the more of a Jerkass move because he's gloating over his betrayal of her, and all the more of a good point after he's shown his true colors
Film - Live Action
1960's Home From The Hill focuses on a dysfunctional southern family, the Hunnicutts, in which the mother, Hannah (Eleanor Parker), has hated her husband, Wade (Robert Mitchum) for his womanizing (resulting in one known illegitimate son, played by the A-Team's George Peppard) and has spent the last 18 years making their son, Theron (George Hamilton), dependent upon her. When Wade decides it's time to help Theron "man up" and stop being such a borderline Man Child, Hannah reveals the truth of Wade's infidelities to Theron - which causes him to hate both his parents (Wade for being a jerk and Hannah for not having the strength to do anything about it and both for lying to him). Following some very epic angst for all involved Wade finally seems to realize what a jerk he is and calls Hannah out on playing the victim card for so long and refusing to acknowledging her own Jerk Ass behavior. After the big reveal he taunts Hannah by saying: "You finally got the revenge you've been waiting for all these years, but what good is it gonna do ya now? He hates me alright, but he hates you too for telling him." He sums it up again rather nicely later on: "We're rotten parents Hannah. This is a rotten home."
The film Zero Charisma is full of them. The first is after Scott is ousted as Game Master; he angrily states to the others that Miles is not their friend and will abandon them once he's done with his "experiment" i.e. gets bored. Granted Scott is only saying this because of his insecurities, and his inability to cope with not being in charge, but he is right. Miles does eventually abandon them, and returns to his hipper friends excluding the others. Scott even calls him out on this during the party scene.
Miles delivers one to Scott pointing out that, he took nothing from him and it is his own fault no-one likes him.
Nana also delvers one to Scott after he yells at her for welching on her promise to give the house to him. She points out that was in return for him taking care of her, but he doesn't instead she takes care of him. Furthermore, it is her house so he has no claim to it period.
Grinch: That's what it's all about, isn't it? That's what it's always been about! Gifts, gifts, giftsgiftsgiftsgiftsgiftsgifts! You wanna know what happens to your gifts? They all come to me. In your garbage. You see what I'm saying? In your GARBAGE! I could hang myself with all the bad Christmas neckties I found at the dump. And the avarice. THE AVARICE NEVER ENDS! "I want golf clubs!" "I want diamonds!" "I want a pony so I can ride it twice, get bored with it and sell it to make glue!" Look, I don't wanna makes waves, but this whole Christmas season is stupid! Stupid! STUPID! There is, however, one teeny-tiny Christmas tradition that I find quite... meaningful. Mistletoe. Now pucker up and KISS IT, Whoville!
Used in-universe in Gremlins 2 with this exchange:
Clamp: That thing that was in here a minute ago, that's dangerous! This guy's from the art department.
Forster: Well, ask him how he knows so much about these "green things".
Clamp: That's a good question Bill – how do you know so much about them?
Night of the Living Dead, If Ben and the rest of the group had listened to Harry and hunkered down in the basement, they would have had a much better chance of surviving.
The Last King of Scotland: Stone, the arrogant Smug Snake British official whom the protagonist hates, turns out to be completely right about Amin's brutality. When Garrigan tries to get help from him, he only decides to if he does his bidding.
Thor: Loki has two very good points. Putting Thor on the throne of Asgard at the beginning of the film would have been a very bad idea. Also, when he accuses Odin of adopting him for political reasons only, it is apparent that it strikes very close to home.
Larry the Liquidator in Other Peoples Money. He seems to revel in the fact that he's hated for getting rich by destroying companies. But when people actually talk to him, he's quick to point out that he's just salvaging the value from companies that were essentially dead already.
Kate: You know, you're not very nice.
Larry: Since when do you gotta be nice to be right?
Clerks: At the peak of Dante's moaning over how badly his day's gone ("I'm not even supposed to be here today!") and how Randal's the one to blame for it, Randal snaps, noting that (a) he came to work that day of his own volition and (b) most of the bad things that happened were his own fault, such as closing the store multiple times to pursue his own interests, and trying to vainly re-ignite his relationship with an ex by cheating on his current girlfriend. He then criticises Dante's attitude, noting that he constantly talks down to and belittles otherswhile working a low-wage menial job at a convenience store, and pointing out that although Jay and Silent Bob are stupid, at least they don't try to overcompensate for having what's essentially a monkey's job.
Randal: ...we like to make ourselves seem so much more important than the people that come in here to buy a paper, or, God forbid... cigarettes. We look down on them as if we're so advanced. Well, if we're so fucking advanced, what are we doing working here?
The Avengers: Captain America, tired of Stark's arrogant egomania, tries to insult his manliness by accusing him of being nothing without his Iron Man armor. Stark effortlessly swats the insult down:
Stark: A genius billionaire playboy philanthropist.
What really makes it this trope, however, is that it's followed by Natasha - not the biggest Tony Stark fan given their interaction in Iron Man 2 - nodding in acknowledgement of the point.
There's also Cap's question to Tony where he asks if he would lie on barbed wire to let others get across safely. Tony's response? Cut the wire.
In Alien³, Mr. Andrews(the nominal Warden of the prison) is a pretty big Jerkass, but he has very legitimate grounds for not wanting Ripley to walk around the prison freely. He has to keep a population of convicted murderers and rapists in check, who are still very dangerous even if they have found religion. Ripley almost gets raped and perhaps even killed when she wanders off alone. Also, her story about the Alien (which has never been seen on any other planet than LV-426) is admittedly a little hard to believe, when from his perspective the more likely scenario is that Murphy's death was just an accident, and that Golic(who was already an insane multiple-murderer) simply killed the other two inmates.
In Pacific Rim, despite his egotism, Chuck Hansen criticized Raleigh and Mako after they inadvertently activated Gipsy Danger's plasma caster and nearly destroyed half of the Shatterdome, not out of malice, but because he was concerned with their ability to do their job and not end up hurting the other pilots. He also only started to insult Raleigh after finding out that Raleigh was involved with building the Kaiju Wall because he first hand saw how "effective" it was when a Kaiju easily broke through the Australian wall the day before.
Carolyn is outraged to find out that Johns is a morphine addict when her copilot died in pain without relief. Johns states that the entire reason he's an addict in the first place is because of a piece of a shiv Riddick left right next to his spine that causes him nearly constant pain. He can still feel it rubbing against his spine and shows the wound to Carolyn.
Johns:"You feel that? Riddick did that. He went for the sweet spot and missed."
Johns also repeatedly stresses to Carolyn that Riddick is someone to be genuinely wary of. Johns is a junkie coward and a prick who still operates within the bounds of the law, while Riddick is a dangerous killer who would sacrifice all of them in an instant if he could. Johns's point is proven when Riddick leaves Carolyn, Jack and Imam behind to die when they have outlived their usefulness.
Walter Peck could very well be the Trope Namer, as his entire existence is made of this trope. Huge jerkass? Check. But he's entirely justified in his concerns, many of which were shared by Ray and Egon. Weird supernatural occurrences starting exactly at the same time three disgraced scientists start up a supernatural elimination business? Using equipment they refuse to talk about it, including, by their own admission to each other unlicensed nuclear accelerators? And when he does originally show up, he's relatively reasonable. He shows his true jerkass colors because Venkman fights jerkass with jerkass with him. The man is a government official tasked with making sure those guys don't cause a huge public safety incident (which, even though it was pushed in to happening by an increasingly pissed off Peck, did still happen), and Venkman pretty much stonewalls him because he can, and plays him like a fiddle to boot. Of course he was going to push harder, he's trying to investigate them, and one of the owners won't cooperate. He's also vindicated by the sequel, in which their business was shut down specifically because of all the problems they caused in this movie.
Earlier in Ghostbusters, we meet Doctor Yeager, Dean of the Psychology Department. His sole purpose in the film is to sneer down his nose at Venkman, Spengler, and Stanz, make some snarky comments about them, and toss them off of the university's campus. The thing is, every single snarky criticism he levels against them, especially the ones he makes about Peter Venkman, is 100% true and accurate. They really are poor scientists, and Venkman really does see science as a dodge.
K-9: When Dooley's girlfriend Tracey is kidnapped, the captain points out that it was Dooley's "seat of the pants bullshit" that got Tracey involved in the first place. At the very least, the stunts Dooley pulled to antagonize Lyman at every turn, such as holding him and his guests at gunpoint during a dinner party, didn't help.
In It's a Wonderful Life, Mr. Potter, a Morally Bankrupt Banker, derides George Bailey's late father, saying that he was not a real businessman. It's a point that George concedes, although he then goes on to say that while it wasn't a success by Potter's standards, it helped people move into their own homes.
Though not a jerk, Eva Rodriguez is vaguely arrogant (and a rebel, to boot!), particularly early on in Center Stage. At one point, when she calls Sergei on looking at the mirror and uses a certain four-letter word to highlight her irritation at his alleged vanity, the ballet instructor has this to say to both of them:
Instructor: If people want to hear profanity, Miss Rodriguez, they can take a subway. They don't have to spend $60 on a ballet ticket... although she has a point.
In Billy Madison, Eric Gordon is a Corrupt Corporate Executive and sleazy Jerk Ass who merely wants to run Madison Hotels. However, he is right when he points out that the company's fifty-thousand employees are not likely to have jobs for very long if the president makes his drunkard son (who only graduated because his father bribed his teachers) president of the company. Note, though, that before Billy strikes a deal to graduate legitimately, this actually does temporarily convince Billy's father to hand the reins over to Eric. It's also noteworthy that, after some Character Development, Billy himself concludes that he's not cut out for the management of a large company and turns it over to Carl, who is both competent and not a Jerkass.
In X-Men: Days of Future Past, Trask justifies the need for his Sentinels to Nixon by pointing out Mystique can shapeshift into any person; she could impersonate Nixon himself, walk into the White House, and order a nuclear attack. Considering all the other things we've seen her do with her powers over the franchise, including the infiltration of the government in such a manner as he warns, his concerns are perfectly valid.
This happens a lot in the X-Men movies. In the first film, Senator Kelly defends the need for a Mutant Registration Act by pointing out that there are documented cases of mutants with the ability to walk right through any solid surface, or psychics that can Mind Control people, and ordinary people have no protection against this. In the third film, the President defends his decision to weaponize the "Cure" by saying "I wonder how democracy can survive, when one man can move cities with his mind!" And in the second film, a single mutant nearly assassinates the President despite all the security in the White House. It's telling that despite the movies' villains often being the ones pointing this out, the heroes never have a response to these concerns. Even while there actually are some answers that could possibly be made to these concerns, the heroes never bring them up.
In Guardians of the Galaxy, Rocket very cruelly and openly mocks at Drax's grief for the death of Drax's family at Ronan's hands. However, Rocket was entirely correct that Drax's loss is nowhere near sufficient justification for almost getting everyone else on Knowhere killed in Drax's attempt to get vengeance on Ronan.
Rocket [mocking Drax]: Oh, boo-hoo-hoo, my wife and child are dead! I don't care if it's mean! We all got dead people! That's no excuse to get other people dead along the way!
In Darkest Powers, Tori Enright, while not necessarily evil, is a self-proclaimed bitch who once made it her priority to make Chloe's life hell. While her first time attempting to give Chloe advice ends up in the two of them almost getting carved up by a trio of street thugs, when it seems that Chloe is having trouble with Simon and Derek and gets subsequently very depressed about it, Tori's pep talk ends up helping Chloe to realize just what's wrong with herself. Which in turn leads to her accepting the fact that the one she's liked all along is actually Derek and allows her to return to a mostly normal state.
Tyrion: Lord Baelish, buy our brave Ser Alliser a hundred spades to take back to the Wall with him.
Tyrion: If you bury your dead, they won't come walking.
This is also a major bit of Nice Job Breaking It, Hero for Tyrion; knowing what a Jerkass Thorne is, Tyrion refused to see him when he arrived, and kept him waiting for so long that the severed, yet still moving, wight hand Thorne had brought with him had rotted down to the bones. Had Tyrion seen him earlier, he would have been presented with indisputable proof that Thorne was telling the truth, and the course of the whole series might have been dramatically changed. In the end Tyrion gave Thorne the men he was asking for by pretending to do do it as a joke and says that the only thing hurt was Thorne's pride. However, Thorne is right that by treating it as a joke, Tyrion insured that everyone else would treat it as a joke as well and no one would take the threat from the wall seriously.
Sandor 'The Hound' Clegane also counts, as he is a pretty big jerk but the majority of what he says about how the lords and knights of the kingdoms take advantage of the weak is pretty accurate. His assessment of his brother is both incredibly blunt and distressingly on the mark.
This also applies to Petyr Baelish; like the Hound, he realises that the entire socio-political system he lives in is essentially a lie but, unlike the Hound, uses this realisation simply to push for his own power.
In A Dance with Dragons, Dany gets a visit from an old "friend", Xaro, the merchant prince of Qarth. His behaviour becomes increasingly obnoxious throughout his visit, until he reaches the point where he declares war on her, but he makes several good points about Dany's rule. The truth is, Dany's reign hasn't done a lot of good for the people of Meereen, as her sacking of it and the subsequent crises have shattered the city's economy and started a guerilla civil war, and many people who were once happy and well-off are now starving. Moreover, despite her claims to be the breaker of chains, there are many people in her city who are slaves in all but name—slaves to her. Not to mention the fact that her dragons have gone completely out of control and have begun eating the farmers' livestock and children.
In the first book, A Game of Thrones, maegi Mirri Maz Duur does some rather awful things to Dany without true cause (although some are later exaggerated by Dany—she did not kill Khal Drogo) but one act stands out as being pragmatic in a Kingslayer-fashion: the killing of Dany's unborn child, Rhaego.
Mirri Maz Duur: "The stallion who mounts the world will burn no cities now. His khalasar shall trample no nations into dust."
Potions Master Professor Snape can be extremely harsh to non-Slytherin students whenever they screw up in his class, but when you see what can happen with improperly-mixed potions (one such potion explodes when put in a flagon), you can almost not blame him for his attitude.
In the third book, while Snape does consider Harry to be far more arrogant than he actually is, he does rightly call Harry out for sneaking out of Hogwarts even when everyone up to and including the Minister for Magic is trying to keep him safe from a killer who broke out of Azkaban.
Also in the third book, the third years receive a book that bites them, which was Hagrid's idea. The students had to bind or use other methods to restrain the books. Hagrid assumed that the students would have figured out that they had to strok their monster books. Malfoy remarks that stroking is not the first thing you think of when your book aggressively tries to bite you. He has a point.
Malfoy: Oh, how silly we've all been. We should have stroked them! Why didn't we guess!
Hagrid: I-I thought they were funny.
Malfoy: Oh, tremendously funny! Really witty, giving us books that try and rip our hands off!
In the fourth book, Malfoy believes Hagrid's Blast-ended Skrewts are abominations of nature. The Skrewts are jet-propelled scorpion-leeches that eventually grow to be 10-feet long and are apparently illegal hybrids of Manticores and fire-crabs meaning they shouldn't even exist in the first place. While Hermoine defends the Skrewts in Hagrid's class out of loyalty to Hagrid, she privately agrees with Malfoy that the Skrewts are horrible monsters.
In Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, Phineas Nigellus points out to Harry that while Slytherins can be brave, they aren't stupid and won't run head first into danger. Both are absolutely right, as Harry falls prey to Voldemort's trap and believes Sirius has been captured by Voldemort. This results in the lives of his friends being in danger but also in Sirius's death, none of which would have happened had he thought before acting.
In The Slap by Christos Tsiolkas, Harry is often portrayed as abusive asshole with few redeeming qualities. Nevertheless, his defence for the titular Slap - that Hugo was in the process of attacking his and his cousin's children with a cricket bat while his own parents were doing little to stop it - is difficult to argue with, as Anouk points out early on - "We all wanted to slap Hugo that day!" - and even Aisha comes to agree with as the court case approaches.
While Inspector Javert's belief that criminals can never change is extreme, he was fully justified in not trusting Valjean to keep his word and allow himself to be arrested after being given a few days to put his affairs in order. After all, the reason Valjean was a wanted criminal at the time was because he had already broken his parole once, so why would a policeman who knew this trust him to honor a parole now that he's finally been caught?
In the Inheritance Cycle, Big Bad Galbatorix reveals that one of his plans is to enforce equality by controlling the use of magic, accomplished by hijacking the magical language itself so that he is only one who can use it. While Galby is notoriously treacherous and it's heavily implied that this is done only so that he can retain power, it's hard to argue against some level of control in a universe where magic has turned the elves into nearly invincible Game Breakers who could decimate the humans, dwarves, and urgals combined if they felt like it. Even Nasuada, leader of the Varden and one of the biggest enemies of Galbatorix, admits that he might have been right on this one.
At one point in Eragon, Eragon and Murtagh are accosted by a band of slavers who try to forcefully claim a bounty on an unconscious Arya's head. Eragon uses his magic to frighten away most of the slavers, but Murtagh takes the leader of the slaver band and beheads him. Murtagh justifies his act by arguing that the slavers could spread information about Eragon, Saphira, and Arya to the Empire, particularly after they had just attacked an Imperial prison to free Arya. Eragon views this as pointlessly cruel and petty, but Murtagh's argument can come across as more pragmatic given their situation.
Vanir, Eragon's elf rival while in Ellesmera, is a haughty jerk who insults an injured Eragon while repeatedly beating him in sparring, and at one point outright tells him that Saphira must have been somehow mistaken to choose him as a Rider. While Vanir is a tremendous douchebag, his implicit messages to Eragon - that respect has to be earned the hard way, particularly if you're someone who an entire species' survival is thought to hinge on - is right.
In The Hunger Games trilogy, even President Snow has standards. To him, his acts of terror and oppression are all in the name of order. He may threaten, intimidate, insinuate, kill children etc...but he is not wasteful. Every death he dealt served a purpose. A reminder of this becomes a key plot point towards the end of Mockingjay. He was honest about the incident that killed Katniss' sister but essentially ended the war not being his idea, because as he points out at that point he had already lost, and had the aircraft been his, he'd have used it to escape, not commit an act of pointless violence, which means it had to have been the work of President Coin of Sector 13, confirming Katniss' suspicion that the war was turning Evil Versus Evil.
In The Dresden Files the White Council has a zero tolerance policy on any violation of the Laws of Magic and the only punishment for a violation is beheading. After killing his teacher in self-defense, Harry spends a good part of the early books being viewed as the suspect any time a magical crime is suspected. While this seems unreasonable at first, it's eventually explained that over centuries the Council has seen that dark magic is inherently harmful to the psyche; even one use is enough to start twisting a good person into a warlock.
Harry himself does not disprove this evidence. He works hard to keep on the straight and narrow because he understands how quickly he would lose himself if he slipped.
Lord Wyldon, the sexist training master in Protector of the Small, makes it clear that he doesn't think Keladry should be training for a knight. He also continually forces her to climb trees and look over high walls when she's cripplingly afraid of heights and it often causes her to Stress Vomit. Kel's friend Neal attributes this to Wyldon's continual efforts to make her leave, but Kel says that she does have to overcome her fear and Wyldon is really trying to help her.
Live Action TV
In the early years of American Idol, Simon Cowell was very blunt about bad performances, but most people do agree with his decision.
Arrow has a "Jerkass Façade Has a Point" variant. Oliver publicly announces that despite what everyone expects him to do, he refuses to accept a leadership position in his parents' company. His real reason is because he doesn't want to jeopardize his ability to spend his free time scaring the piss out of corrupt rich people, but he's completely correct when he points out that a serial dropout who spent the last five years trapped on an isolated island is probably not the best person to manage an international corporation.
What, do you think I got my MBA on that island?
Babylon 5: In the episode "Grey 17 Is Missing", the Warrior Caste member Neroon delivers a rather caustic observation to how he interprets Delenn's breaking of the Grey Council and essentially taking over Minbari leadership for the Greater Good. While everything Delenn claims about the situation turns out to be true and eventually works out for the good of everyone, from Neroon's point of view it's probably the equivalent of how a modern-day American Senator would feel if a fellow Senator broke up Congress, the Senate, the Supreme Court and the Presidency, formed a private army with her own charisma, proceeded to enlist volunteers from a country we were recently at war with (like, say, Iraq), formed a base on an outpost of said country, and claimed that she was on a Mission from God and that all this was necessary to save the world from Alien Invasion. Ultimately subverted because he was then confronted by Marcus, a Human Ranger willing to fight him to the death to protect her. Not fifteen years ago, Humans and Minbari were at war. For a Human to lay down his life for a Minbari like this makes Neroon realize that while he had a point, so did Delenn, and hers was more significant: the circumstances really were that extreme.
Breaking Bad: Walter White fits this trope in season 4. He becomes increasingly paranoid as the season goes on, thinking that Gus is planning to kill Walt, partly by driving a wedge between his relationship with Jesse. And he's right. Still, this doesn't excuse his acting like a total asshole; he even says, "It's All About Me" at one point.
Cordelia fills this role constantly in Buffy and Angel: "Tact is just not saying true stuff. I'll pass". When she joined Angel, the role on Buffy was taken over by Anya, an ex-demon who hasn't learnt which thoughts should be verbalized, and occasionally by Spike who often didn't have time for social skills.
Frequently — but extremely reluctantly — with Spike and to a lesser extent with Andrew, though it overlaps with Dumbass Has a Point.
Most notably when he drunkenly explains to Angel and Buffy that the two will tear each other apart but can never be just friends, characterising himself in the process as '...Love's bitch, but at least I'm man enough to admit it.'
In season 3, the Mayor (while anything but Jerkassy, was definitely a vicious villain) provided frank and accurate advice on why Buffy and Angel's relationship was doomed to fail. While he was trying to kill the both of them. Nice guy.
In season 4 the gang has to deal with a Native American ghost who's trying to take revenge for happened to his people, and Willow was reluctant to act becauseshe felt really guilty about what the colonists did. Spike pipes up with his own point: the Europeans won, killed the natives and took their land; that's the whole point of conquering new territories. "The history of the world is not people making friends; you had better weapons, and you massacred them; end of story." He then goes on to say that they're not going to be able to fight anyone if they keep that politically correct attitude up, and when Willow suggests that they could talk to the ghost, he has this to say: "You exterminated his race. What could you possibly say that would make him feel better? It's kill or be killed here; take your bloody pick."
Kennedy is a self admitted Jerk Ass who was talked down when she tried to share her views. Thing was, she was dead right when it came to Buffy's own jerkass behavior, and when the two meet up again in the Season 9 comics she's ditched the Drill Sergeant Nasty attitude she got off on and genuinely wants to help other Slayers, and Buffy, not just with employment but coming to terms with a new unmasqued world and what Buffy had done.
She brings up not destroying Tincan might help restore magic, and in turn Willow. Even though they split up it doesn't mean Kennedy doesn't still care for her, and it might get some people off Buffy's case for what she'd done. She's even become very much a Reasonable Authority Figure in not firing Buffy (for assault, blowing off missions and having a massive ego) or Faith (when she attacked a client because he's into underage girls.)
One of Spike's best ones was when Dawn found out she was the key and Spike was there with her. Buffy angrily went and began beating him up until he pointed out that she would have snuck into the Magic Box anyways, he just felt it would be better to have a former Big Bad as a bodyguard.
And then adds that if Buffy had been honest with Dawn from the start, they could have avoided this scenario. Buffy later concedes that he was right.
In the episode "Crimes and Witch Demeanours", Barbas argues his case that the Charmed Ones should be stripped of their powers, due to their recklessness and selfish abuse of their abilities, nearly breaking the masquerade on a regular basis and putting innocents into situations where they've gotten killed. Turns out, the Tribunal actually agree with most of his argument and decide to strip Phoebe's active powers, due to her being the worse repeat-offender.
Made even more telling when in the very next episode, Paige abuses magic for her own personal gain, which naturally ends up going horribly, horribly wrong. However this time, everyone calls her out on her reckless behaviour and Phoebe is understandably livid.
Community: In the second season, a recurring plot arc was Pierce Hawthorne's increasingly Jerkass behaviour towards his friends, which eventually reached a point where they were debating whether to throw him out of the group or not. However, while Pierce was shown to be unreasonable and cruel with many of his actions, he was also shown to make the entirely valid point that one of the main reasons that he was acting out in this fashion was that his supposed friends weren't actually that much nicer or better towards him in many ways, often deliberately excluding, mocking or ignoring him. While Pierce is the group's Acceptable Target in that he's a racist, sexist jackass, his friends were forced to concede that in several ways he had a point. However, the trope is played with in that Pierce is also forced to concede the point that it's in many ways his own fault he's excluded in the first place.
In English As A Second Language, Annie's motivations to expose Chang were mainly selfish and her actions ended up harming the rest of the group. But Chang was an incompetent Sadist Teacher who knew nothing about the topic he was supposed to teach and grossly abused his power over his students.
"Whisper to a Scream" is a great example. Ellie, a GothZen Survivor, is the only character all season who has been able to stand up to Paige [the Alpha Bitch]. The episode starts with Ellie fighting Paige's latest scheme...then, due to trouble at home, Ellie begins cutting herself. Paige finds out and tries to help her get counseling.
There was also a much less serious episode where Emma has her first period, and Paige tries to convince her that it's great because "You'll get boobs now" And "Boobs aren't that bad... they're really great actually."
From our other Alpha Bitch, Holly J, we get a few moments where she gives 'advice.' The first is after Mia finds out Sav likes Anya ("We need men, not boys."), after her fall she gives advice to Spinner and Jane in season 8. Season 9 she has a wonderful scene with shades of the Paige Emma discussion telling Clare that having a impure thoughts isn't bad... so long as it doesn't lead to kissing the neck of Holly J's boyfriend.
Mrs. Torres, oh wow. She's mad at Snake because her son was shrinkwrapped to a pole. Then she's mad at Snake because her other son who she still isn't quite used to not being her daughter was the victim of a hate crime in school. By this time she's probably wondering what kind of school he's running. Then Vegas Night happens...
Another example involving Paige happened in the episode "I Want Candy". Ashley would not get out of bed to go to school after Craig cheats on her with Manny (several months after it's already happened). In an effort to try and cheer her up, Paige and Spinner skip school and take her out on the town. Of course, Ashley does nothing but whine the entire time. Finally, Paige gives Ashley a What the Hell, Hero? speech, telling her that while what Craig did to her was wrong, he was not the issue. The real problem was Ashley because she wouldn't move on with her life.
Bianca's gotten her fair share in, pointing out that while she did steal Drew from Alli, it wasn't as bad as Alli kissing Clare's ex-boyfriend/current step-brother. Since Alli is Clare's best friend she should know better, Bianca has no such loyalty to break. Later on she sets Jake straight that no matter what Clare says, she's not going to be able to separate the sex from the romance she has building in her head, and if he sleeps with her he's royally messing her up. Bianca didn't choose the nicest ways to go about sharing these lessons, but she was right in both counts.
Dexter: Doakes. He is convinced that something is off about Dexter, who is of course a serial killer. Dexter manages to make sure that no one ever knows he's right however.
Firefly: The episode "Safe" has Jayne thrilled that Simon and River have gotten kidnapped, but he does make the point that not harboring fugitives makes their lives easier, and Zoe and Mal agree with that. Jayne makes a lot of points like this. In Joss Whedon's own words: "He's the guy who will say what everyone's thinking but are too polite to actually say it."
Game of Thrones: In a show not short on utterly despicable characters, Walder Frey still ranks near the bottom. But when he voices all the same complaints fans had about the storyline of Robb and Talisa's marriage (throwing away his whole war campaign over a rushed and unconvincing case of "true love"), it's hard to argue.
Tywin Lannister's chastisement of Jamie Lannister over his refusal to leave the Kingsguard and inherit Casterly Rock does have some merit: Jaime's in his forties, done nothing of note beyond killing the Mad King Aerys, and has now lost his sword-hand. His fighting days are clearly over, and refusing Casterly Rock is just another way for him to actively avoid actually doing anything with his life. This is nailed hom later in the episode, where Joffery notes in the book of brothers, which records the deeds of the Kingsguard, there are several Kingsguards who have multiple pages dedicated to describing their various actions in service, while Jaime barely gets a paragraph detailing his slaying of the Mad King.
Gilmore Girls: In season six, Rory's ex-boyfriend Jess sums up most of what had been going wrong with the show at that point: Rory abandoning both her mother and college to hang out and party with her new boyfriend Logan and becoming a completely different person. Ironically, Lorelai had been afraid that too much of her parents' luxury would rub off and Rory and it turns out she was right. Rory brings this up to Logan, who retorts that he never forced Rory into any of it and he's basically right.
This show is full of this and most of the Jerkass characters get one or more scenes where they get to tell one of the 'good' characters the plain truth and force them to address their problems.
Sue Sylvester tells Will that he shouldn't use demeaning hairography in the glee club's set list. Later, Will thanks her and as required willingly shows her the set list which she promptly leaks to the competing schools.
Quinn tells Rachel that Finn does not have the same dreams for the future as Rachel and as such she should stop pursuing him since they will just end up miserable. This makes Rachel realize that she has been too self-absorbed and has not really considered what Finn wants out of life and a relationship. She turned out to be right.
Gossip Girl: Both Chuck and Blair often fill this role, telling the blunt and terrifying truth.
Homeland: Majid Javadi all of people makes a good point in the season 3 finale when he tells Carrie she got what she wanted: for everyone else to see Brody the way she did.
How I Met Your Mother: Lily had no right to break up many of Ted's girlfriends including Robin because they didn't fit her idea of the front porch test (where she, Marshall and Ted grow old together). However she brings up a good point that she probably saved Ted thousands of dollars from an expensive wedding where he would have married one of these girls and inevitably gotten a messy divorce. She also brought up how, if Ted and Robin didn't break up, they would have remained together but their relationship would have deteriorated and they wouldn't be Better as Friends as they are now.
JAG: Gunnery Sergeant Granger makes a number of valid observations in "War Cries", about the danger of their security situation when challenged on his unrelenting leadership and training style.
LOST: Christian Shephard was a complete dick in most of his flashback appearances, often acting like a self-involved jerk. But when he tells his daughter Claire that its not right to keep her mother on life support solely because she is not ready to let her go, its kind of tough to disagree with Him. Most of his advice to Jack is like this too.
Sawyer often points out the harsh truth to people. In the season two finale, when Michael (who was told by the Others to the survivors on the list given to him) is upset at Sawyer for inviting Sayid along (who wasn't on the list, Sawyer points out to Michael if they were going to war against the others, they should bring the one person who has actually been in a war. Sawyer didn't know about the list at that point, and he has a valid point.
Mad Men: Joan Holloway gets to hand out a lot of this. So does Bobbie Barrett.
Malcolm in the Middle: Lois and Hal revealing their grand scheme for Malcolm's life will come off to many as little more than the big Kick the Dog finale, but if you think about it, it might actually not have been so much if only they were a lot more reasonable about it towards him. Given how Malcolm consistently exceeded their expectations of him, it indeed would be a waste of potential for him to not even attempt to become a big name like the president. It just is a jerk move for them to expect him to solve all their problems as president because most of their problems are self-inflicted.
M*A*S*H: Frank was right when he warned Margaret that Donald might not be all that he seems. Yes, he said this in an attempt at getting into her pants, but in the end, Donald was revealed to be cheating on Margaret, stealing her money, and finally requested a transfer behind her back, leading to their divorce.
Masters Of Horror: Annie's father in the episode "Cigarette Burns". Kirby treats him like an unreasonable jerkass, but Kirby did get his daughter killed by indulging her drug habit, abysmally failed to get her on the right track despite agreeing with him to do so, is still massively in debt to him, and just evades him whenever the topic of repaying the loan comes up. It's only when he resolves to kill Kirby that he crosses the line into outright villainy.
Monday Mornings: Dr. Hooten. Sure, he may be extremely harsh on the doctors at the hospital but he does it because they are doctors - their failures and mishaps can and do result in the deaths of the people under their care. As such, they need to be kept in line.
When some of his doctors are surly and hesitant about treating the wounds of a patient who appeared to attempt suicide, only to spring into action when they realize that said patient was actually the victim of an attempted murder, Dr. Hooten commends them on their medical expertise - and then gives them the verbal thrashing of a lifetime for their initial treatment of said patient. Depression and mental illness leading to attempted suicide are considered lethal diseases by the medical community, and suicidal people are considered ill, not losers unwilling to live. While Dr. Hooten is a Jerkass, the What the Hell, Hero? speech he delivered to said doctors was entirely deserved.
Revolution: Zig-Zagging Trope for Miles. He often calls out Charlie for her attitude problems/questionable decisions (Episode 3 and episode 5 are examples of these). While these are generally accurate assessments from a viewer standpoint, no one in-story seems to agree with them. Fortunately, Charlie does improve on her attitude after episode 6.
Spartacus: Blood and Sand: In the season 1 finale, Oenomaus angrily calls out Ashur for his cowardice, dishonorable tactics, arranging Barca's murder, ruining Crixus and Naevia's relationship, and other slights. Ashur retorts that ever since he arrived in the ludus, everyone gave him a hard time: repeatedly calling him a wimp and a coward even though he won a few matches, and making fun of him when Crixus crippled his leg, so why shouldn't he try to ruin their lives?
Ashur: My fucking treachery? When did YOU stand forth for Ashur? When did ANY OF YOU GREET ME SHORT OF MOCKERY, AND SCORN?!?!! FUCKING CUNTS!!!
Made all the more poignant in Spartacus: Gods of the Arena, where we see exactly how the other gladiators treated Ashur, and that Ashur and Crixus had almost been friends.
Odo being saved by advice from Quark in one episode.
Garak to Sisko in "In the Pale Moonlight".
In the "Chimera" episode, Laas repeatedly tells Odo things he'd rather not hear. For example, while he's not tactful about it, Laas does bring up legitimate concerns about Odo and Kira's relationship. He reminds Odo that Changelings cannot reproduce with humanoids, which ruptured Laas' relationship with his former Varalan mate. Also, he warns Odo that if he remains with Kira, he will watch her grow old and die because of Changelings' long lifespans. Laas also points out that it is Kira, not duty or morality, that prevents Odo from leaving Deep Space Nine and reuniting with the Changeling Founders.
Odo: I won't have anything to do with the Founders and their war.
Laas: Odo, we linked. I know the truth. You stayed here because of Kira. If it weren't for her, you would be with our people. War or no war, you would be a Founder!
Odo eventually takes heed once he finds a significant reason to return to his race: to spread a cure for the plague dooming his race and, in doing so, temper their animosity towards the Federation.
In "The Siege of AR-558", Quark's comments about humans to his nephew Nog don't seem so unreasonable when you remember just how much dirty work our heroes have done up to this point in the Dominion War.
And then he discovers why they seem that way: when he comes under fire, Quark discovers that, when it's a matter of life or death, Ferengi are Not So Different.
In an earlier episode, he says that the reason humans hate Ferengi is because Ferengi culture is everything that humans think that they abandoned, that the Ferengi are a living reminder of everything bad they used to be. The thing is, that he's absolutely right from a behind-the-scenes perspective. The Ferengi were created as a statement on twentieth-century earth culture taken to an extreme, to show how much better and more enlightened humans have become since then... but his statement proves especially haunting over the course of the series as characters are forced to abandon high ideals as the realities of war set in.
Not only that, But for all of the times everyone puts the Firengi down, we have this from a season two episode.
Quark: I think I figured out why Humans don't like Ferengi.
Sisko: Not now, Quark.
Quark: The way I see it, Humans used to be a lot like Ferengi: greedy, acquisitive, interested only in profit. We're a constant reminder of a part of your past you'd like to forget.
Sisko: Quark, we don't have time for this.
Quark: You're overlooking something. Humans used to be a lot worse than the Ferengi: slavery, concentration camps, interstellar wars. We have nothing in our past that approaches that kind of barbarism. You see? We're nothing like you... we're better.
After four years of Vulcans stonewalling and withholding knowledge in human space exploration, Soval explains to Admiral Forrest that Vulcans see all too many similarities between their own violent past and humanity's—except that it took Vulcans 1500 years to pull themselves together and humans have managed it in about 100. Which makes Vulcans worry what humans might be capable of in the next hundred years.
Supernatural: The Trickster/Gabriel was a big one. Sure, his method was cruel (a time loop within which Dean died every day, and Sam couldn't save him), but he did have a point: Sam had to accept that Dean was going to die, and that sacrificing themselves for each other isn't a good idea. Not that it stopped them...
There's Daryl. He may be a caustic redneck, but he is usually the only one of the group to recognize the gravity of their situations.
Shane as well, if it's closer to "The Psychotic Jerkass Has A Point". He warns Rick that the member of a rival gang they captured could lead people to their location if he was released, and since they have guns and their location is not fortified and a lot of people, especially the women, don't know how to defend themselves, it would be disastrous. Rick himself cannot even raise a good logical argument against this and eventually folds. Then he finds himself unable to pull the trigger and refuses to do so or let anyone do so when the resident moral compass of the group is killed after lodging his objections. Shane rightly points out that the two are unrelated and that keeping Randyll around and wasting resources on him while increasing the likelihood that people will grow lax with regards to security and let him escape is a bad idea. And sure enough, when Randyll gets free he shows that he knows where the farm is, relative to his group's position even though he was blindfolded for a while. He also points out just how dangerous it is to have a barn full of walkers in their midst, and a bunch of people that think that they're human.
This is lampshaded by Andrea when she tells him that he's frequently right about things (The Sophia search going on too long and his treatment of the zombies in Herschel's barnn are other instances) but he's far too nasty in the way he prents his views so people don't listen to him.
The Wire: William Rawls is a complete asshole that openly hates protagonist Jimmy McNulty. But, when McNulty's partner is shot, Rawls makes it a point to tell Jimmy that the shooting wasn't his fault.
In Once Upon a Time, Regina is blamed for reenacting the Dark Curse again. It wasn't her, it was Snow in order to find Emma and defeat Zelena. Regina points out that if it was her she'd have her son, Henry, with her and also warns them that if they continue to treat her like the Evil Queen she was before, that's exactly what they'll get. In both cases, it's hard to argue (Even if she was only faking a Face-Heel Turn)
Omega Zell from Noob has that trope written all over him, sometimes overlapping with Everyone Has Standards. He may be a misogynist in addition to his jerkassery, but his criticism is sometimes for genuinelyunacceptable attitudes on the part of his female acquaintances, and occasionally the male ones.
The Witch of Into the Woods has this effect on the characters; regardless of whether they say so aloud, they are visibly humbled by the breaking speech that is "Last Midnight", in which she calls them out on the fact that their wishes and carelessness got them in the trouble they're in now.
Freddie Trumper of Chess is correct in his assertions that his reputation as the bad boy of chess have help to renew public interest in the game. He later helps Anatoly realize that winning the championship is his only chance to redeem himself.
Edward Rutledge is a great example in Theatre/1776, especially with the number "Molasses to Rum." Sure, he's arguing for slavery, but when he exposes Thomas Jefferson's and John Adams' respective hypocrisies, he not only has a point, but it's a historically accurate one.
In Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney Justice For All's second case, it's strongly implied that Dr. Grey is right and that Mimi Miney was, in fact, at fault for the malpractice incident that killed fourteen patients, as Phoenix says near the end of the trial. While Dr. Grey ultimately isn't the one on trial, it does shed light on his killer's motive.
There's many occasions in the Ace Attorney series when the Phoenix, Apollo or Athena will admit the prosecutor (be they whip happy, arrogant, a homicidal maniac or just a plain jerkass) is making a valid point. In "Justice For All," Phoenix spends most of the game seeing prosecutors as arrogant individuals who do nothing but obstruct his efforts to defend the innocent even when they should know that the defendants aren't guilty (although his feelings over Edgeworth's disappearance and return are partially influence this), but after he's blackmailed into defending a guilty client while Maya's life is threatened, and his ability to Take a Third Option is in no small part due to Edgeworth and Franziska's help, he becomes somewhat more open-minded regarding the prosecution.
In Saints Row 2 there is your former leader Julius. Before he is killed in the epilogue, he states that the reason he left the Gang and had you set up to die on the boat is because of how far the gang derailed off his vision of solving the ongoing gang wars in Stillwater, contributing to the problem in the process. Even going on to say they were now just "Vice Kings who wore purple". Considering how downhill it went for the gang after the second game when the Playa takes over you, can't really blame him for trying to put an end to his gang.
Unintentional example at the beginning of The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time: Mido refuses to let Link see the Great Deku Tree until Link gets a sword and shield. While Mido was doing it just to be a pest to Link and bar his way like a schoolyard bully, the sword and shield do turn out to be necessary both to kill the Deku Babas on the way to the Great Deku Tree and to kill the enemies inside of the Great Deku Tree. This "point" is so good that even Saria agrees with it.
The sequel also has an instance with Quarian Admiral Zaal'Koris, who is entirely distrustful of both Tali and her father trying to get the family exiled. However he's also the only member of the Admiralty board who opposes going to war with the geth and sees them as another sentient species, with the quarians also largely to blame for what has happened. If you speak to him during the trial, he will explain his position in detail and tell Tali that he has no personal vendetta against her or her father: he is just doing what he thinks needs to be done for the good of the quarian people. Tali responds with "I do not agree, but I understand." He takes a level in kindness in the third game, and is even integral in bringing a peaceful solution to the quarian/geth conflict.
If you sacrificed the Council in the first game, in the third, the new council reminds you of this while refusing to divert resources from protecting their own homeworlds to help Earth. It's fairly presumptuous to expect them to help you after you betrayed their predecessors, possibly in order to allow humanity to take control of the Council.
Of course, this happens even if the old Council survived, and in spite of your kindness they argue the pragmatic fact that with the Reapers focusing on Earth, they can use the time they have to start defending their own borders. Which is, to a degree, another case of this trope. Many fans have been annoyed with Shepard's obsession with Earth and pointed out that Earth isn't the only important planet in the galaxy and that it makes sense trying to save what can be saved and pile resources instead of wasting them trying to regain lost causes. The main problem in their plans was that the Council didn't sufficiently support the Crucible.
The salarian Dalatrass is so much against curing the genophage in the third game that she will withdraw support for the war against the Reapers if you do. She is clearly in the wrong if you have Wrex in charge of the krogans. However, if Wreav is in charge, it's revealed that after the war ends, he's building up an army to wage war on the galaxy, essentially restarting the Krogan Rebellion.
Her arguments makes sense even if Wrex is in charge. He is just one (admittedly badass and level-headed) man, and the krogan population would skyrocket into the extreme and risk becoming uncontrollable due to sheer overpopulation.
Dishonourable nobles in Mount & Blade aren't particularly nice. They're backstabbing, warmongering, and quarrelsome. However, "honourable" characters are still perfectly willing to raid caravans and torch enemy villages. If you take the honourable option and allow defeated enemies to walk away, your dishonourable allies rightly ask whether your honour will be much comfort to the orphans and widows caused because you let a general out to rebuild his army and keep going.
This mixed with Good Is Not Nice is pretty much Jedi Master Vrook's entire characterization. He opposes the training of the Player Character from the first because re-training and trusting a mindwiped Sith Lord really is a bad idea. And in the second game, he's even less thrilled with the Exile, seeing her (or him) as a "mediocre Jedi" whose presence only brings disaster...and turns out right.
In Pokémon Black and White, Ghetsis says, "A Pokemon, even if it's revered as a deity, is still just a Pokemon!" After all the legendary Pokemon being called "gods", it's kind of nice to see someone who isn't falling for it. Even if he redefines "bastard". His point was that legendary Pokémon can still be defeated by regular Pokémon, which was the reason he was unconcerned about you obtaining the mascot right before he challenged you. Indeed, even Arceus can be captured and ordered around by a ten-year-old.
A movie in the sequel has a scientist angry at the hero for making a Ridiculously Human Robot and spending all day playing with it instead of working on other projects and refusing to let anyone build another. While his actions are terrible, he was right that the lab had sunk a lot of money into that robot that was earning them nothing and their head scientist was costing them funding by refusing to work on anything else.
In Katawa Shoujo, when Hisao suggests that JigoroHakamichi could visit his daughter Shizune, Jigoro counters by, among other things, asking when the last time Hisao has called his parents was. Hisao concedes that he has not made much of an effort to keep in touch with them, although he hates Jigoro enough to be tempted to punch him in the face.
Interestingly enough, Jigoro does appear to take Hisao's comment to heart, since he appears at Yamaku later in the route... To ask Shizune if she wants to go fishing with him. He's still a huge ass while asking it, but it does show that the above comment was just an attempt to change the subject and avoid thinking about it. It obviously didn't work.
In Rin's route, Nomiya, while not originally a Jerk Ass, asks Hisao at one point while arguing over whether it was right to let Rin walk away from the exhibition whether he has anything comparable to Rin's passion for art. Hisao is forced to concede that he does not.
Super Robot Wars Alpha Gaiden has long strings of this trope by Tetsuya Tsurugi from Great Mazinger. Throughout the course of the game, he basically trash talk both the heroes and the villains, and pointed out the flaws on their structures and performances in an increasingly Jerk-ish way. The problem is, he is completely spot on with every single one of his statements, which includes the fact that the Heroes has a rather ineffective ways to handle the situations, some of the teams has a leadership problems, the fact that Koji relied way too much on his Grandfather's Mazinger, and on top of it, a Gameplay and Story Integration comment of a big mistake made by Duo and Quatre that nearly resulted in the death of the whole team.
In Jade Empire, Gravedigger Shen is an unpleasant person who seems to have no morals to speak of, selling the possessions of those buried in his graveyard. You may be inclined to believe Miss Chen's claim that he killed her baby after she died in childbirth. But you hear from him that the baby also died, and if you show her to his grave, Miss Chen realizes the truth and is calmed enough to pass on.
An interesting example in Final Fantasy Tactics Advance: large parts of the fandom view Marche as a Villain Protagonist who is trying to forcibly destroy Ivalice, a world where his friends and his brother are happy because they can escape some of their problems in the home world. Whichever side the player might personally side with (whether they view Marche as right or wrong), both "wrong" sides make some very good points. If Marche is in the right, the royal forces, Ritz, and others are still very much correct when they claim that it's easy for Marche to want to go home - he doesn't have to deal with the same problems and bullying, or inability to walk (in his brother Doned's case) that his friends do, although as Marche admits to himself before the battle with Mateus, he too has problems that he faces in the real world. Further driving their point home is the argument that if Marche really cared for them, he wouldn't actively try to destroy a world that makes them happy. On the other hand, even if Marche is the real bad guy, he is absolutely correct when he claims that his friends, especially Mewt, are just using Ivalice as a way to avoid handling their real-world problems in any constructive way. In the long run as shown in the Epilogue, Marche turns out to be correct.
In-universe, Ritz concedes that the game must eventually end, but says she will fight Marche to stop him from reaching Ambervale because she isn't quite ready yet.
In World of Warcraft, while some players dislike Taran Zhu for his hostility toward the Alliance and the Horde, he turns out to be right that their continuing their war in Pandaria is a bad thing, for a few reasons. 1)It empowers the Sha, which feed on various negative emotions and as such, both encourage and grow stronger through conflict. 2)It weakens their efforts against those who are enemies to both factions and all of Pandaria, such as the resurrected Thunder King. 3)Garrosh's unearthing the Heart of Y'Shaarj devastates the sacred Vale of Eternal Blossoms.
Except that's not the point players consider him a Jerkass for. The general problem people have with the guy is that he constantly lectures Alliance and Horde alike for fighting at all, dismissing their struggle as a "petty race war", even though at that point, the Alliance was fighting solely to protect themselves, plus the fact that they've done their best to trust the Horde on at least two major occasions, and got severely burned each time.
Severely burned may be too harsh a word for it, considering the circumstances. The main plot point in Mists of Pandaria that ignited the Alliance-Horde conflict to monumental proportions was the "Divine Bell" fiasco. In the Horde version of the questline, Garrosh Hellscream, the Horde Warchief at the time, seeks the Bell for it's ability to cleanse those within it's ringing of all negative emotions. It gets found and hidden by the Alliance first, in Darnassus, the Night Elf capital. The Sunreavers, a Horde-aligned primarily Blood Elf representative in Dalaran, institutes a plan (using the player)to steal the Bell from within. Finding out about the Sunreavers apparent betrayal, the leader of Dalaran and head of the Kirin Tor (the most powerful association of Magi) Jaina Proudmoore (an Alliance supporter, but favored fostered friendship between the factions), loses her cool demeanor and rounds up all the Sunreavers in Dalaran to have them imprisoned.
The head of the Sunreavers, Aethas, pleads with the Blood Elf leader, Lor'themar Theron, that he had no clue about the plans and that it was personal supporters of Garrosh that caused it all. Garrosh misuses the Bell, causing it to amplify the Sha corruption in the soldiers and lieutenant he had brought with him to test it. Anduin Wrynn, son of the Alliance leader Varian, leads the player (in the Alliance version of the quest) to try and stop him. Anduin succeeds in making Garrosh destroy the Bell, but is seemingly crushed as a result. After you're helped out of there, you discover Anduin is alive, only barely. When Varian finds out, he launches into a tirade and embraces Jaina's recommendation that the Horde must be dismantled. Following a run-in with Lor'themar during the fight against the Thunder King Lei Shen, Jaina discovers that the primary leaders of the Horde (Lor'themar, Sylvanas, Baine, Vol'jin, and Gallywix) don't support their "Warchief".
During this time, Garrosh attempts to have Vol'jin, the person who distrusts him the most, killed. Through the player's actions they are able to save him, but Vol'jin decides to use this opportunity to make his plans in secret with Garrosh thinking he's dead. Following the event with Anduin & the Bell (from which he makes a full recovery), Varian learns a valuable lesson about patience and being a King from the Pandaria personification of Hope, the Red Crane Chi-Ji. This knowledge mellows him out to be less brash and more intelligent about his decisions.
Garrosh (yet again through the player's action) discovers the literal heart of the Sha corruption, the heart of the Old God Y'shaarj. He pushes it into the pure waters of the Vale of Eternal Blossoms, destroying most of the Golden Lotus faction and ravaging a good portion of the land. Following a run-in with Taran-Zhu, the leader of the Shado-Pan (a pseudo-military force in Pandaria) and a vocal supporter of the Alliance & Horde taking their conflict elsewhere, Garrosh dispatches (but doesn't kill) him easily, and challenges the world to end his reign as Warchief of the one True Horde. After taking Garrosh out of power in the Siege of Orgrimmar raid, the player is treated to a cutscene from different perspectives, based on Alliance or Horde, with both sides having all their race leaders respectively, with Thrall assisting the Horde and Jaina helping the Alliance.
Alliance: Varian & Jaina watch the Horde correspond with one another, and Jaina prods Varian to "dismantle" them now, before they become a threat again. He approaches the group and demands to talk to their Warchief. The group spreads to reveal Vol'jin, the troll leader. After a glance at Thrall, the previous Warchief, he goes with it and states that this kind of thing will not happen again and warns them that the next time won't be so merciful, and departs.
Horde: Thrall and Vol'jin reflect on what has happened recently, with Vol'jin stating that they need a new Warchief. Thrall states that Vol'jin was the one to keep the rest of the Horde together, and was more than befitting to lead. The rest of the leaders bow in agreement, and Vol'jin promises he will do his best. Like in the Alliance version, Varian approaches the group and demands to talk to their Warchief. The group spreads to reveal Vol'jin, the troll leader. After a glance at Thrall, the previous Warchief, he goes with it and states that this kind of thing will not happen again and warns them that the next time won't be so merciful, and departs.
Tales of the Abyss: Luke might be an entitled jerk to everyone, inviting plenty of teasing and mockery, but he makes a very good point as to why picking on his lack of general world knowledge is over the line. For what it's worth, the rest of the party stops picking on him over that, and only criticizes him or insults him over things that have greater consequences, or can't be excused on his circumstances (for example, his arrogant behavior as Ambassador).
Luke: I didn't have time for any of that! I had other things to learn. Like my parents' faces!
Something Positive: When Kharisma leaves the medicaid company at which she works with Davan, she advises him to get out, telling him that he can do better and that she wouldn't wish the job on her worst enemy.
Davan himself is the living embodiment of this trope; for that matter, his father Fred is too.
Xykon delivers some foreshadowing to Miko in "The Road to Heck", by way of paraphrasing Yoda: "Fear leads to anger, anger leads to suffering, and suffering leads to the Dark Side." Minus the fear, that's just what happens to Miko later on.
Later on, after Vampire!Durkon rejoins the Order, Belkar insists that they should stake him as soon as possible so they can resurrect him as a living dwarf later, because the vampire is not the dwarf they know. Roy refuses to do so until they have a way to resurrect him prepared, saying that the vampire dwarf is "Durkon enough for their purposes". Then it turns out that the vampire is not Durkon, but a dark spirit controlling his body for evil purposes, making Belkar right on both counts.
However, in that case, the non-jerkass also has a point, in that staking Vamp!Durkon will deprive them of crucial capabilities that they need to complete their mission. The fact that he says "Durkon enough for our purposes" implies that he isn't completely unaware of the risks.
Belkar earlier called out Hinjo on his Honor Before Reason, claiming that his late uncle Shojo was a braver man since he was willing to sacrifice his own personal honor for the good of his city. Subverted a bit since Hinjo had already been convinced to retreat, so Belkar didn't really need to make that point. He was just being a Jerkass.
Though in that case, Belkar was already psyched up to rant at Hinjo before being interrupted by the Mauve Shirt who convinced Hinjo to retreat.
Girl Genius got pretty unpleasant Zulenna who habitually advocated Baron's dubious actions including imprisonment of "Othar Tryggvassen, Gentleman Adventurer". Agatha and other students ignored this. The guy turned to be more or less as much heroic as he pretended to be... and a dangerous nutcase as a bonus. Zulenna generally has a point any time she is not posturing.
This is a trait of Mike from the Walkyverse. He seemingly exists solely to make others miserable, but on a few occasions he has done so by pointing out when they are being hypocrites or making bad decisions. Who cares if it causes Character Development in the long term, as long as it makes them suffer in the short term he seems fine with it.
Drowtales: As part of the Grey and Gray Morality, this pops up quite a bit. The Kyorl'solenurn, for instance, are surprisingly justified in their extremism against the tainted, especially after recent revelations like the fact that most tainted have been given intentionally faulty demonic seeds that will kill them within 50 years. Quain'tana also has some of this, since while a terribly abusive parent and all around not very nice person she does make good points, especially when it comes to the Sharen, who the readers know are not what they seem at all. This also applies to her interactions with her daughter Mel, who has twice tried to claim submission to her mother, but Quain doesn't buy it, and we the audience know that she's actually right to not trust Mel since she was put up to it by the character who's effectively the Big Bad of the series.
CG: IF I RECALL, IT WASN'T THAT LONG AGO FROM EITHER OF OUR PERSPECTIVES THAT YOU WERE RIPPING ON ME AND MY SMUG WINDBAG FUTURE SELF FOR ARGUING WITH EACH OTHER
GG: oh come on...
GG: this is NOTHING like that!
CG: HOW IS THIS NOT LIKE THAT
GG: because she's...
GG: she's ACTUALLY INSANE
CG: OH I SEE, AND ALL THOSE IDIOT PAST AND FUTURE KARKATS WEREN'T???
When undyingUmbrage tells Dirk that Lil' Cal is a juju who will only bring misery to everyone around him, Dirk just waves it off as more of uu's aggressive trolling. Unfortunately, he was telling the truth that time.
When Meenah sees Cronus verbally abusing Mituna, she rightfully calls him out on it. He counters that she's a hypocrite since, in an alternate timeline, she grafted him to her spaceship and artificially extended his life to use him as her ship's motor, which is much worse. She can't manage to come up with a good response to that.
The United Nations of Sol in actually has humanity's best interests in mind most of the time. Laws aren't unreasonable, the military is a completely necessary defense against internal and external threats, the intelligence community has plenty good reason to get involved where it does, and the transhuman immortality project is kept secret for perfectly valid reasons. The problem is that everyone employed by and running the government is incompetent and/or evil. Admiral Xinchub claims to do what he does for the good of humanity, but it's clear that he actually enjoys all the horrible things he's ordered to do. The military and spies don't care the least bit about what collateral damage they cause, and frequently end up causing even more problems trying to keep their constant screw-ups secret. The main cast by all means should be arrested for everything they've done, but they keep escaping by threatening to expose the UNS for the completely avoidable disasters it has caused.
In Random Access Memoralbilia, the strategy of the UNS specfically required the death of thousands, if not millions, of neutral human civilian scientists. And they couldn't even do that right, the nanotech weapon they use wassn't ready and its malfunctions compromised the mission (not that the abysmal response by managment helped). Even the justification for all that turned out to be wrong, the alien artifact they were after turned out to be nothing like what they expected (or rather speculated, since the dig had only just started) and their interference ended up rendering the artifact useless to them. They literally decided that a device they knew almost nothing about was worth committing a massacre over. Then again, earlier in The Teraport Wars they also betrayed the entire galaxy in the middle of the largest war in history against the most powerful and advanced species in the galaxy, all because they wanted to take the Gatekeeper's knowledge and technology for themselves even though they had no idea what it was. They didn't even betray anyone to the enemy, they simply declared war on all their allies in the middle of a military operation. Oh, and they failed, for obvious reasons. The only possible explanation is that every member of the military is required to keep an Idiot Ball on their person at all times.
Sam also pulls this on Florence - she might not like to be called a slave, but as Sam points out, she is one, as would be her children (which would belong to Ecosystems Unlimited as "derivative products"). Florence sees his point, which helps prompt her to become more proactive in helping other artificial intelligences receive full rights.
In Ménage à 3, Sonya is a drama-addicted Stalker with a Crush towards Zii, but pursues Gary for his sexual skills and to put one over on her rival Yuki, actively setting out to seduce him while he and Yuki are a couple; then, when Yuki drops Gary, Sonya gloats over her, and shortly afterwards dumps Gary (in mid-sex, even). "Jerkass" may be an understatement with her. But — she is completely correct in saying that the phallophobic Yuki is a lousy girlfriend for Gary or any other man, she is very happy to show Gary just how much better off he is dating someone who doesn't regularly kick him in the crotch, and she even tries to offer him good advice (which he, as ever, ignores) when dumping him. Even her attempts to seduce Zii away from Erik involve her shrewdly pointing out that Zii doesn't seem to find that relationship totally satisfying — which, given her usual level of smarts, could also qualify as a case of Dumbass Has a Point.
In Sticky Dilly Buns, jealous rival Angel tries to undermine Dillon's relationship with Jerzy ... mostly by telling Jerzy the truth about Dillon.
This is most of Mike's shtick in the Walkyverse—most of his cruelty takes the form of pointing out the crippling character flaws of those around him, questioning the morality of their actions, and basically using harsh truths to sadden and anger the rest of the cast. That he's also needlessly violent, relentlessly vulgar, and only makes good points to get a rise out of people is largely what stops people from taking his critiques to heart.
YouTube user Cinema Sins often receives negative reception for mixing genuine goofs with opinion. Keep in mind, though, that some of the things he lists are really goofs (Captain America not having an ear radio, Bane entering a tunnel in daytime and coming out at night, etc.)
The Angry Video Game Nerd: In character he may be a rude, vulgar and overly hostile negative nancy who takes video games way too seriously, but that doesn't make his much-needed commentary on the constant wrongs of game and hardware developers throughout the history of the medium any less valid.
Global Guardians PBEM Universe: Achilles, leader of the titular superhero team, goes to his father for advice on his personal life all the time. His father, by the way, is Lord Doom, one of the setting's world-conquering master villains. This is a slightly inverted example, though, because usually Achilles is the blunt antagonistic one (for a hero), and Lord Doom is generally urbane and polite (for a villain).
In The Onion's articles by Jean Teasdale, "Hubby Rick" is an interesting intersection of Jerkass and Closer to Earth. He spends most of his time at the bar, mainly because Jean's arrogantCloud Cuckoolander behavior frustrates him; however, one article has her squirreling away money to "invest" (read: buy Betty Boop collectibles), and when Rick finds out he chews her out because they could use that money to pay their bills.
In Season 3 of Marble Hornets, Tim finally calls out Jay for his actions, constantly interfering in the lives of others and getting them ''involved,'' while Jay does little besides filming it all. As out-of-it as Tim is, and as crazy as he may be, he has a very good point.
In RWBY, Weiss- despite being an Academic Alpha Bitch who goes out of her way to insult others- frequently makes good points. Ruby is naive and inexperienced, and her impulsive nature does cause problems in battle, in addition to endangering Weiss (her combat partner). Whether this is intentional or not isn't clear.
Several episodes later, she makes racist remarks along the lines of 'All Faunus are criminals.' This is treated as appropriately bigoted, but given that two out of the show's three Faunus characters are an unrepentant thief and ex-terrorist,note Admittedly, a sympathetic ex-terrorist who was motivated to end the oppression that she had suffered well...
Worm: Armsmaster's delivery could really have been better, but he was utterly correct to predict that Taylor would end up getting in too deep with the Undersiders and losing sight of her attempt to go undercover.
Archer's cast consists of jerks. Smart jerks who will point out the flaws of something. For example, when Cheryl explains to Pam that her brother is planning on having her thrown into a mental hospital to get her half of their inheritance, Pam says that this might not be such a bad idea, as Cheryl is mentally unstable and endangers everyone around her constantly.
In one episode of The Spectacular Spider-Man, Peter, under the influence of the symbiote, acts uncharacteristically abrasive to his friends. A speech from Flash Thompson causes Peter to realize what a jerk he's been and cast off the symbiote.
Peter: OK, if Flash Thompson is making sense, something must be seriously wrong.
Of course, symbiote-influenced Peter makes a good point during an angry rant directed at his friends; he does have a big hospital bill to pay.
Overlaps a bit with Jerkass Woobie, but Eddie Brock's increasing antagonism towards Peter stem from a combination of his own issues as well as legitimate gripes towards Pete. In a few cases, he actually points out a few cases of Pete's recklessness (taking photos of the Lizard).
Harry Osborn and Mark Allan are both more Jerkass Woobies than full out jerks, but they give Peter rather reasonable points. Mark calls out Peter for his blatant ignorance of his sister's feelings, while Harry notes that Mark's addiction to gambling is something he has to confront on his own before anyone helps him.
Eric in Dungeons & Dragons was set up as The Complainer Is Always Wrong, but if you're listening carefully, he's the only one in the party perfectly willing to call out Dungeonmaster over those dirty tricks and half-truths that get the party in trouble, and the only one to tell Hank that Honor Before Reason may be a bad idea. Certain members of the writing staff have pointed out this was intentional; they didn't agree with this trope at all, and later episodes were more explicit about his pessimism being the right call (even if the moral guardians meant they still had to ignore him).
The entire Cadmus story arc in Justice League centered on Cadmus' attempts to thwart the worst-case scenario of the league taking over the world like their Justice Lord counterparts. Amanda Waller points out that the League has a Kill Sat, they have made some questionable decisions in the past, and there has been at least one reality they know of where the League overthrew the government (albeit to keep Luthor from wiping out all life on Earth out of sheer spite). Normal people don't have a way to defend themselves against a group of super powerful beings if it ever came down to it. In "Question Authority", Green Arrow lampshades the whole thing by saying that if the League ever decided to cross the line and become the Lords, there's nothing that the rest of the world could do to stop it. Green Arrow and the league's more grounded heroes were meant in part to keep the heavy hitters honest but they only served as the overall conscience against them Jumping Off the Slippery Slope, not an actual Restraining Bolt if they were to truly abandon their principles and attack the government.
Craig lampshades in excess how the boys actually often bring a lot of their problems on themselves (and others around them due to their lack of consideration) throughout the entire "Pandemic" two parter.
In "The Cutie Pox", Diamond Tiara probably only calls Apple Bloom out on her cutie marks which were caused by Cutie Pox being fake in order to take her down a peg when a second one appears, since she hates anypony taking the spotlight away from her. Still, she's 100% right, and even the teacher Cheerilee shares her skepticism.
Fluttershy gets one herself in "Putting Your Hoof Down" when she talks about how Pinkie Pie and Rarity want "Pushover Fluttershy" back. Yeah, she was being mean about it, but it's been shown plenty of times before and since in which her friends will take advantage of her kindness. But really, Pinkie and Rarity were HAPPY that Fluttershy was finally standing up for herself. They only tried to put a stop to it when they saw Fluttershy had become needlessly vindictive and aggressive.
Queen Chrysalis also gets one when she brags to the cast that she managed to carry out her plan to take over Equestria even when Twilight Sparkle thinks something is wrong with Princess Cadance who was actually Chrysalis herself in disguise thanks to all of Twilight's friends not believing her and coldly walking out on her when she tried to explain herself. It was at that point when the others have a Jerkass Realization and apologize to Twilight.
She also points out how infantile and unbefitting Pinkie Pie's planned party activities are for a royal wedding. One can't help but agree with her.
In Inspiration Manifestation, while the puppeteer could have been nicer about his criticism towards the puppet theater Rarity built, ample stage space and mobility are far more important for a traveling puppeteer than how shiny it looks.
This is Discord's 'thing' since he did a very vague Heel-Face Turn. He's still a jerk, but his insults tend to ring true, and he's the first to lavish sarcastic 'approval' on less than noble actions.
Spike: Come on, Twilight! Discord may be reformed but he's not that reformed! He's just trying to get under your skin! Twilight: Well, it's working!!!
Red Arrow is a suspicious jerk towards Artemis in Young Justice. Although Artemis probably isn't The Mole, Roy's lack of trust in her unfortunately does have some merit, since she is keeping secrets about her past from the team. Reaches a head in "Insecurity" when Roy's mistrust pushes Artemis to endanger the mission by trying to lead the rest of the team away from the targets just to have a chance to prove herself. This backfires immensely when the mission goes south and her deception is exposed. The same went for his suspicions of Superboy and Miss Martian. While not The Mole like he suspected, they, along with Artemis had information they were hiding from the rest of the team.
Benson from Regular Show seems to embody this trope. While he is hard on Mordecai and Rigby, his anger often comes from their slacker attitudes and desire to be cool, which tend to screw things up or prolong the time it takes to complete menial tasks..
Teen Titans: Beast Boy, while being affected with the Jerkass Ball in "The Beast Within", also brings up the point that he's often disrespected, especially by Raven.
When Bill Dauterive of King of the Hill has a spike in blood sugar and is warned by his doctor that he's at risk of developing diabetes, he goes to another doctor who, despite being a smug, verbally-abusive prick, is pretty spot-on in identifying the problem and guessing both what will happen if Bill doesn't curb his unhealthy lifestyle and that he most likely won't.
Dr. Weissman: Did you talk to any other doctors before coming to me? Bill: Well, yes. Dr. Weissman: Did they tell you to diet and exercise? Bill: Uh-huh. Dr. Weissman: Did you do it? Bill: Uh...
To further add to this, when Hank and Bill finally confronted the doctor about what he said, the doctor backpedaled and said "N-no I said your legs could fail at some point, and I certainly didn't say anything that could constitute a malpractice suit."
In the "Bend-Her" episode of Futurama, after Bender has a sex change, the female crew mates accuse of him of being a bad representation of their gender and dating a celebrity robot just for the sake of indulgence. When "she" questions whether they've really never done the same thing, they can barely muster up a denial.
In "Big City Blues", Pete worriedly asks Goofy where the boys are, and Goofy wonders why he's asking him. The response "Because your kid's always getting my kid in trouble!" While Pete typically holds grudges against the Goof family for little reason, this statement is completely true—the Zany Schemes are invariably Max's ideas and PJ is usually (including in this episode) The Drag-Along.
In an episode of Codename: Kids Next Door, the much hated Teenagers get to call out the KND when they simply assume that their reunion at "The Point" has ulterior motives, without having actual proof… and it turns out that they just wanted to go to a rollerskating ring and have fun. Their night out is ruined, and they're pissed at the kids for a good reason.
There's an episode of Ed, Edd n Eddy where Rolf needs Ed to babysit his farm animals. Ed ends up leading them into his (Ed's) house, tracking dirt all the while. Sarah yells at him that he can't keep the animals there. As obnoxious as she was about it, she was right. Ed should've kept them outside.note Then again, Ed isn't exactly the brightest bulb in the socket...
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (2012): In "Karai's Vendetta," when Donnie is fully prepared to abandon their mission to blow up the Kraang's water-poisoning Underwater Laboratory to save April from Karai, Raph quickly points out that if they do so, the Kraang will poison everyone in New York, including April.