History YMMV / NewJediOrder

8th Feb '16 1:01:56 PM Bronnt
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* AssPull: While Zonoma Sekot had been previously introduced, its explanation of a major plot detail came completely out of nowhere. The series provided several philosophical examinations of the Force and what it meant that the Yuuzhan Vong could not be sensed. The Jedi spent a lot of time agonizing over this and questioning everything they knew, which was perhaps the height of storytelling for the series. At the end, however, we learn that the GeniusLoci of the Vong "Took the Force away" from the entire species, because apparently it can do that. It was a development that not only arose from nowhere, it retroactively turned the Jedi quest for greater understand of the Force into a ShaggyDogStory
18th Jan '16 12:48:34 PM Rakked
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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: A lot of fans had issues with various aspects of the series just because they were different.

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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: A lot of fans had issues with various aspects of the series just because they were different.it was so different from previous ''Star Wars'' works.
11th Jan '16 1:10:01 AM OmegaNemesis13
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** The problem was more that the Jedi were the only ones really fighting them at first, while the rest of the galaxy were either too busy trying to placate them or fighting with each other. It is only once the galaxy unites for real after the fall of Coruscant that the Yuuzhan Vong War begins to take a turn in their favor. The Jedi also managed to come up with various ways to defeat them.
27th Dec '15 5:49:50 PM SventheCrusader
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* HarsherInHindsight: [[spoiler:Chewbacca's death]], while a TearJerker before, [[spoiler:has been made worse after ''Film/TheForceAwakens'', where in the new canon, Han and Chewie effectively switched places as the one who died, with Chewie watching helplessly]].

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* HarsherInHindsight: [[spoiler:Chewbacca's death]], while a TearJerker before, [[spoiler:has been made worse after ''Film/TheForceAwakens'', where in the new canon, Han and Chewie effectively switched places as the one who died, switch places, with Chewie watching helplessly]].helplessly as Han is struck down]].
27th Dec '15 5:16:55 AM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: Onimi masterminded the most devastating war in Galactic History, and indirectly caused the deaths of trillions and the extinction of whole species just so that he could [[AGodAmI become a god]]. He even tells Jaina that he's looking forward to "exterminating everyone and everything in this foul galaxy." During his MotiveRant to a captive Jaina, he does try to cast himself as a WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds, but she rightly just thinks he's a lunatic and is repulsed. It's made clear to the reader and both Solo twins that, by the time of the FinalBattle, Onimi's motivation is ForTheEvulz ''at best''.

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* CompleteMonster: Onimi masterminded [[BigBad Onimi]] [[TheDogWasTheMastermind masterminded]] the most devastating war in Galactic History, and indirectly caused the deaths of trillions and the extinction of whole species species, just so that he could [[AGodAmI become a god]]. He even tells Jaina that he's looking forward to "exterminating "[[OmnicidalManiac exterminating everyone and everything in this foul galaxy.galaxy]]." During his MotiveRant to a captive Jaina, he does try to cast himself as a WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds, but she rightly just thinks sees through his facade, realizing he's a lunatic [[AxCrazy lunatic]], and she is repulsed. It's made clear to the reader and both Solo twins that, by the time of the FinalBattle, Onimi's motivation is ForTheEvulz ''at best''. repulsed.
26th Dec '15 1:49:13 AM SamMax
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* HarsherInHidsight: [[spoiler:Chewbacca's death]], while a TearJerker before, [[spoiler:has been made worse after ''Film/TheForceAwakens'', where in the new canon, Han and Chewie effectively switched places as the one who died, with Chewie watching helplessly]].

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* HarsherInHidsight: HarsherInHindsight: [[spoiler:Chewbacca's death]], while a TearJerker before, [[spoiler:has been made worse after ''Film/TheForceAwakens'', where in the new canon, Han and Chewie effectively switched places as the one who died, with Chewie watching helplessly]].
26th Dec '15 1:48:34 AM SamMax
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* HarsherInHidsight: [[spoiler:Chewbacca's death]], while a TearJerker before, [[spoiler:has been made worse after ''Film/TheForceAwakens'', where in the new canon, Han and Chewie effectively switched places as the one who died, with Chewie watching helplessly]].
25th Dec '15 4:57:54 PM ronin6401
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* KarmaHoudini: The entire Yuuzhan Vong racce. While genocide might go against Jedi principles and the entire morality of the Star Wars Universe; considering that the Vong destroyed entire planets, killed trillions of innocent beings, and even exterminated entire races; not only in the Star Wars Galaxy but their own home galaxy as well; and it's understandable that many in-universe and among the audience felt cheated when they were allowed to depart in peace after the war's end.


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* VillainSue: The Yuuzhan Vong. Because they exist outside of the force, the vast majority of Jedi Powers don't work on them. Also, because their bio-tech is so different from anything seen in the Star Wars Universe, it automatically gives them an advantage throughout the entire series regardless of the fact that in concept, Yuuzhan Vong weaponry is actually much more primitive when compared to mainstream Star Wars tech.
7th Nov '15 12:08:04 PM StarSword
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* VindicatedByHistory: Fan opinion on the series' quality improved in the twilight years of the ''Franchise/StarWarsLegends'' continuity, albeit partly because the next three big series, ''Literature/DarkNestTrilogy'', ''Literature/LegacyOfTheForce'', and ''Literature/FateOfTheJedi'', were widely considered much worse.

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* VindicatedByHistory: Fan opinion on the series' quality improved in the twilight years of the ''Franchise/StarWarsLegends'' continuity, albeit partly because the next three big series, ''Literature/DarkNestTrilogy'', ''Literature/LegacyOfTheForce'', and ''Literature/FateOfTheJedi'', were widely considered much worse.worse, with FOTJ ending up as the FranchiseKiller for the post-Endor EU even before ''Film/TheForceAwakens'' was announced.
7th Nov '15 12:07:04 PM StarSword
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: There are those (in and out of universe) who feel that the Empire would have been more than capable of handling the Vong and that Palpatine had established it to deal with them, while others (again, in and out of universe) feel the Empire's failure against the Rebellion and obsession with impractical superweapons meant that even if it had been, it would have lost regardless. There's also a third middle-of-the-road interpretation that Palpatine ''was'' planning for the Yuuzhan Vong War, but viewed them as a rival to be eliminated rather than his ''raison d'etre''.

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: There are those (in and out of universe) who feel that the Empire would have been more than capable of handling the Vong and that Palpatine had established it to deal with them, while others (again, in and out of universe) feel the Empire's failure against the Rebellion and obsession with impractical AwesomeButImpractical superweapons meant that even if it had been, it would have lost regardless. There's also a third middle-of-the-road interpretation that Palpatine ''was'' planning for the Yuuzhan Vong War, but viewed them as a rival to be eliminated rather than his ''raison d'etre''.\\
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In ''Destiny's Way'' Han Solo gives a TheReasonYouSuckSpeech to an Imperial Remnant naval officer on version #2 after she speaks in favor of version #1:
-->"What the Empire would have done was build a super-colossal Yuuzhan Vong–killing battle machine. They would have called it the Nova Colossus or the Galaxy Destructor or the Nostril of Palpatine or something equally grandiose. They would have spent billions of credits, employed thousands of contractors and subcontractors, and equipped it with the latest in death-dealing technology. And you know what would have happened? It wouldn't have worked. They'd forget to bolt down a metal plate over an access hatch leading to the main reactors, or some other mistake, and a hotshot enemy pilot would drop a bomb down there and blow the whole thing up. Now ''that's'' what the Empire would have done."



* StrawmanHasAPoint: The Jedi who wanted to utilize Imperial superweapons and Centerpoint Station against the Yuuzhan Vong. To prove that they're misguided, they're labeled "heretics" and are willing to do things like kidnap children. But until ''Destiny's Way'' nobody is able to come up with a coherent reason why using superweapons against the Vong is any worse than using conventional weapons--and lest we forget, the Recap/StarWarsExpandedUniverse is a setting where an ordinary starship is a WeaponOfMassDestruction. (In ''Destiny's Way'', Han gives a [[DeadpanSnarker hilariously snarky]] speech pointing out that superweapons tend to be AwesomeButImpractical, although that doesn't answer why they can't use ones that already exist.)

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* StrawmanHasAPoint: The Jedi who wanted to utilize Imperial superweapons and Centerpoint Station against the Yuuzhan Vong. To prove that they're misguided, they're labeled "heretics" and are willing to do things like kidnap children. But until ''Destiny's Way'' nobody is able to come up with a coherent reason why using superweapons against the Vong is any worse than using conventional weapons--and lest we forget, the Recap/StarWarsExpandedUniverse Franchise/StarWarsLegends is a setting where an ordinary starship is a WeaponOfMassDestruction. (In ''Destiny's Way'', Han gives a [[DeadpanSnarker hilariously snarky]] speech pointing out that superweapons tend to be AwesomeButImpractical, although that doesn't answer why they can't use ones that already exist.)


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* VindicatedByHistory: Fan opinion on the series' quality improved in the twilight years of the ''Franchise/StarWarsLegends'' continuity, albeit partly because the next three big series, ''Literature/DarkNestTrilogy'', ''Literature/LegacyOfTheForce'', and ''Literature/FateOfTheJedi'', were widely considered much worse.
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