History YMMV / NewJediOrder

23rd Feb '18 11:48:45 PM Agronac919
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* NarmCharm: This gem from Pellaeon. Laughably stupid? Hell yeah. Still awesome? HELL YEAH!
--> '''Pellaeon''': You may win the occasional battle against us, Vorrik, but [[MythologyGag the Empire will always strike back.]] That ''I'' promise you.
1st Feb '18 9:19:48 AM ErikModi
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** Watch Jacen Solo, especially earlier in the series, opposing Luke in forming a Jedi Council, and he's generally low opinion of politicians in general, and his belief that a Jedi should be guided by their own relationship with the Force and knowledge of light and dark. Then recall Anakin Skywalker's thoughts on politics in ''Attack of the Clones'', and what Jacen ultimately becomes in ''Legacy of the Force''. . .
7th Jan '18 5:26:21 PM StarSword
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* IronWoobie: Vua Rapuung in ''Jedi Eclipse I'' is a Yuuzhan Vong war hero who was in a SecretRelationship with a shaper (Nen Yim's mentor). His lover betrayed him by making his implants go bad, forcing him to join the ranks of the Shamed Ones, the YV underclass who are treated little better than slaves. In the book proper he forms an EnemyMine with Anakin Solo to get revenge, in exchange for helping Anakin rescue Tahiri from captivity.

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* IronWoobie: Vua Rapuung in ''Jedi Eclipse ''Edge of Victory I'' is a one of the first truly sympathetic Yuuzhan Vong we meet. He's a war hero who was in a SecretRelationship with a shaper (Nen Yim's mentor). His lover betrayed him by making his implants go bad, forcing him to join the ranks of the Shamed Ones, the YV underclass who are treated little better than slaves. In the book proper he forms an EnemyMine with Anakin Solo to get revenge, in exchange for helping Anakin rescue Tahiri from captivity.
7th Jan '18 5:14:05 PM StarSword
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* KarmaHoudini: The entire Yuuzhan Vong race. While genocide might go against Jedi principles and the entire morality of the Star Wars Universe; considering that the Vong destroyed entire planets, killed trillions of innocent beings, and even exterminated entire races; not only in the Star Wars Galaxy but their own home galaxy as well; and it's understandable that many in-universe and among the audience felt cheated when they were allowed to depart in peace after the war's end.

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* KarmaHoudini: The entire IronWoobie: Vua Rapuung in ''Jedi Eclipse I'' is a Yuuzhan Vong race. While genocide might war hero who was in a SecretRelationship with a shaper (Nen Yim's mentor). His lover betrayed him by making his implants go against Jedi principles and bad, forcing him to join the entire morality ranks of the Star Wars Universe; considering that Shamed Ones, the Vong destroyed entire planets, killed trillions of innocent beings, and even exterminated entire races; not only in YV underclass who are treated little better than slaves. In the Star Wars Galaxy but their own home galaxy as well; and it's understandable that many in-universe and among the audience felt cheated when they were allowed book proper he forms an EnemyMine with Anakin Solo to depart get revenge, in peace after the war's end. exchange for helping Anakin rescue Tahiri from captivity.



* TheWoobie: Vua Rapuung.

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* TheWoobie: Vua Rapuung.----
7th Jan '18 5:08:28 PM StarSword
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%%** StrawmanHasAPoint: The Jedi who wanted to utilize Imperial superweapons and Centerpoint Station against the Yuuzhan Vong. To prove that they're misguided, they're labeled "heretics" and are willing to do things like kidnap children. But until ''Destiny's Way'' nobody is able to come up with a coherent reason why using superweapons against the Vong is any worse than using conventional weapons--and lest we forget, Franchise/StarWarsLegends is a setting where an ordinary starship is a WeaponOfMassDestruction. (In ''Destiny's Way'', Han gives a [[DeadpanSnarker hilariously snarky]] speech pointing out that superweapons tend to be AwesomeButImpractical, although that doesn't answer why they can't use ones that already exist.)

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%%** * StrawmanHasAPoint: The A subplot in the early books deals with a schism within the Jedi who wanted Order brought on by the invasion, with some Jedi, opposed by Luke and the other protagonist Jedi such as the Solo siblings, wanting to utilize use [[PointlessDoomsdayDevice leftover Imperial superweapons and Centerpoint Station Station]] against the Yuuzhan Vong. To prove that they're misguided, they're labeled "heretics" and are willing to do things like kidnap children. But until ''Destiny's Way'' nobody Nobody, up to and including Luke himself, is able to come up with a coherent reason why using superweapons against the Yuuzhan Vong military targets is any worse than using conventional weapons--and lest we forget, Franchise/StarWarsLegends is a setting where an ordinary starship is a WeaponOfMassDestruction. (In ''Destiny's Way'', Han gives a [[DeadpanSnarker hilariously snarky]] speech TheReasonYouSuckSpeech pointing out that superweapons tend to be AwesomeButImpractical, although that still doesn't answer why they can't use ones that already exist.)
7th Jan '18 5:01:12 PM StarSword
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* AssPull: While Zonama Sekot had been previously introduced, its explanation of a major plot detail came completely out of nowhere. The series provided several philosophical examinations of the Force and what it meant that the Yuuzhan Vong could not be sensed. The Jedi spent a lot of time agonizing over this and questioning everything they knew, which was perhaps the height of storytelling for the series. At the end, however, we learn that the GeniusLoci of the Vong "Took the Force away" from the entire species, because apparently it can do that. It was a development that not only arose from nowhere, it retroactively turned the Jedi quest for greater understand of the Force into a ShaggyDogStory.

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* AssPull: While Zonama Sekot had been previously introduced, introduced (in Creator/GregBear's ''Literature/RoguePlanet'', set between [[Film/ThePhantomMenace TPM]] and [[Film/AttackOfTheClones AOTC]]), its explanation of a major plot detail came completely out of nowhere. The series provided several philosophical examinations of the Force and what it meant that the Yuuzhan Vong could not be sensed. The Jedi spent a lot of time agonizing over this and questioning everything they knew, which was perhaps the height of storytelling for the series. At the end, however, we learn that the GeniusLoci of the Vong "Took the Force away" from the entire species, because apparently it can do that. It was a development that not only arose from nowhere, it retroactively turned the Jedi quest for greater understand understanding of the Force into a ShaggyDogStory.
8th Nov '17 12:37:26 AM OmegaNemesis13
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: The Jedi who wanted to utilize Imperial superweapons and Centerpoint Station against the Yuuzhan Vong. To prove that they're misguided, they're labeled "heretics" and are willing to do things like kidnap children. But until ''Destiny's Way'' nobody is able to come up with a coherent reason why using superweapons against the Vong is any worse than using conventional weapons--and lest we forget, Franchise/StarWarsLegends is a setting where an ordinary starship is a WeaponOfMassDestruction. (In ''Destiny's Way'', Han gives a [[DeadpanSnarker hilariously snarky]] speech pointing out that superweapons tend to be AwesomeButImpractical, although that doesn't answer why they can't use ones that already exist.)

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* %%** StrawmanHasAPoint: The Jedi who wanted to utilize Imperial superweapons and Centerpoint Station against the Yuuzhan Vong. To prove that they're misguided, they're labeled "heretics" and are willing to do things like kidnap children. But until ''Destiny's Way'' nobody is able to come up with a coherent reason why using superweapons against the Vong is any worse than using conventional weapons--and lest we forget, Franchise/StarWarsLegends is a setting where an ordinary starship is a WeaponOfMassDestruction. (In ''Destiny's Way'', Han gives a [[DeadpanSnarker hilariously snarky]] speech pointing out that superweapons tend to be AwesomeButImpractical, although that doesn't answer why they can't use ones that already exist.)
24th Oct '17 9:52:26 PM Agronac919
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: An entire race of them. Apparently, the Yuuhzan Vong are simultaneously a fresh blast of originality that provided a threatening and utterly [[EvilIsCool badass]] new foe and the later franchise ruined itself by later deciding to make tired rehashes of previous villains in the form of [[Literature/LegacyOfTheForce Darth Caedus]] and [[Film/TheForceAwakens the First Order]] ''and'' a [[IdiotPlot nonsensical]] and ugly blight on the franchise that's try-hard attempts to be GrimDark was so horrendous that the only way to save the franchise was to nuke them from canon entirely.
9th Jan '17 11:14:14 AM SorPepita
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* AssPull: While Zonama Sekot had been previously introduced, its explanation of a major plot detail came completely out of nowhere. The series provided several philosophical examinations of the Force and what it meant that the Yuuzhan Vong could not be sensed. The Jedi spent a lot of time agonizing over this and questioning everything they knew, which was perhaps the height of storytelling for the series. At the end, however, we learn that the GeniusLoci of the Vong "Took the Force away" from the entire species, because apparently it can do that. It was a development that not only arose from nowhere, it retroactively turned the Jedi quest for greater understand of the Force into a ShaggyDogStory

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* AssPull: While Zonama Sekot had been previously introduced, its explanation of a major plot detail came completely out of nowhere. The series provided several philosophical examinations of the Force and what it meant that the Yuuzhan Vong could not be sensed. The Jedi spent a lot of time agonizing over this and questioning everything they knew, which was perhaps the height of storytelling for the series. At the end, however, we learn that the GeniusLoci of the Vong "Took the Force away" from the entire species, because apparently it can do that. It was a development that not only arose from nowhere, it retroactively turned the Jedi quest for greater understand of the Force into a ShaggyDogStoryShaggyDogStory.
9th Jan '17 11:13:35 AM SorPepita
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* AssPull: While Zonoma Sekot had been previously introduced, its explanation of a major plot detail came completely out of nowhere. The series provided several philosophical examinations of the Force and what it meant that the Yuuzhan Vong could not be sensed. The Jedi spent a lot of time agonizing over this and questioning everything they knew, which was perhaps the height of storytelling for the series. At the end, however, we learn that the GeniusLoci of the Vong "Took the Force away" from the entire species, because apparently it can do that. It was a development that not only arose from nowhere, it retroactively turned the Jedi quest for greater understand of the Force into a ShaggyDogStory

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* AssPull: While Zonoma Zonama Sekot had been previously introduced, its explanation of a major plot detail came completely out of nowhere. The series provided several philosophical examinations of the Force and what it meant that the Yuuzhan Vong could not be sensed. The Jedi spent a lot of time agonizing over this and questioning everything they knew, which was perhaps the height of storytelling for the series. At the end, however, we learn that the GeniusLoci of the Vong "Took the Force away" from the entire species, because apparently it can do that. It was a development that not only arose from nowhere, it retroactively turned the Jedi quest for greater understand of the Force into a ShaggyDogStory
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