Due to a gross excess of examples (this being a Metal Gear game and all), this folder is specifically for examples that have been "Jossed" — proven incorrect by Word of God or by the final product. For examples that still stand, please see the examples below this folder.
- Jossed, Ground Zeroes has been released and Kiefer is voicing Big Boss.
- Jossed, since Paz is killed by a bomb at the end of Ground Zeroes before she can do anything of note.
- Double jossed, if the E3 2015 trailer is to be believed
Think about it. The project is dated to have been carried out during the early nineteen-seventies, and its common knowledge that Big Boss was either comatose or at least somehow cloned using his cells and the Super Baby Method. Of course, they couldn't just use hair or skin cells, they needed a much meatier sample than that.
This is Cipher killing two birds with one stone: He manipulates Big Boss and MSF into a vulnerable state, where he can kick both in the teeth and leave them a non-issue for the long term, even if it only slows them down. He also gets a chance to also bring the Snake back he once knew, so to speak. While comatose in the hospital from his wounds during the evacuation of Mother Base, Cipher sent someone to retrieve samples of Big Boss.
They didn't use the small stuff. They couldn't, it wouldn't be enough. So they took his arm at the elbow, then sent a cleanup crew to take out any traces of him.
- Jossed by Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater. The Les Enfrants Terribles project happened in 1972. Ground Zeroes took place in 1974/75. Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots made it clear the project is what led to Big Boss deserting the Patriots and striking out on his own, which we see in Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker and is confirmed again by EVA's tapes to Snake.
- Jossed. It's Kiefer Sutherland.
- Jossed: From what can be discovered while playing Ground Zeroes, listening to the various tapes and seeing what he did to Chico and Paz, Skull Face is actually Faux Affably Evil and, while obviously in the realm of subjectivity, is one of the very few candidates in the entire franchise to be considered as bad as Volgin, Sundowner and Wiseman.
- Jossed. Ground Zeroes had a Spring 2014 release; there is still no definite release date for The Phantom Pain beyond "2015."
- Jossed. Skull Face was burned horribly during his youth, which disqualifies him from being Sokolov or any adult character we've seen before.
- Jossed with his Western voice revealed, as he distinctly doesn't sound Russian, nor does he match Granin's tubby build.
- Jossed. Skull Face was burned during his youth which left him like he is, which would be years-to-decades before the events of Peace Walker, where Coldman appeared and was not burned. Plus, Coldman clearly died in Peace Walker from his wounds; since it wasn't a case of Never Found the Body like most other "back from the dead" MGS villains, it's probable he's staying that way.
- Jossed, but there is going to be a save bonus for those who have Ground Zeroes for The Phantom Pain.
- Jossed in Ground Zeroes, as unfortunately for all Paz/Chico shippers and "Raiden's parents" theorists, Paz dies at the end of Ground Zeroes, and Chico's fate is currently ambiguous (as he's caught in the same blast as Big Boss and Miller).
- Jossed. Hayter has not returned for Ground Zeroes, nor was he asked to voice the "Snake Soul Sword" in Revengeance; since his Japanese counterpart Akio Ōtsuka appeared in both, the chances of him playing Big Boss in MGS:GZ and/or MGSV can be ruled out.
- Jossed. It's Chico, same face down to the bandage on his eyebrow. That part clearly takes place during the Ground Zeroes segment and Solid Snake would have been three years old then.
- Jossed. Psycho Mantis appears as a child.
- Jossed by ingame tapes, which establishes he is both a separate entity to Zero and an enemy of him. Also discredited by Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots, as Zero's appearance in the ending of 4 shows he isn't coated in burns and, since he still holds his huge eye scar, it's incredibly unlikely anyone would have such extreme scarring fixed but have an older mark left intact.
A lot of people have been saying that the XOF Commander is a victim of severe burns, but that doesn't make sense because his ears and nose are still mostly intact and those would be the first tissues to be completely destroyed by fire. If anything he looks withered, like a corpse thats been decomposing for a few months.
Now, bear with me here. In the MGS Universe, LBJ was the one who signed off on Operation Snake Eater, which not only led to the founding of the Patriots, but led to Big Boss' longstanding distrust of the Government. Moreover, its been implied that LBJ is the one who authorized the Les Enfants Terribles project that spawned the clones of Big Boss. Lastly, this is fucking MGS - In a world where gay vampires, spirit mediums, and giant robots are commonplace, a zombie is hardly irregular.
LBJ died in 1973, and the Ground Zeroes trailer apparently takes place in 1974. More to the point, its suspected that the voice actor for the XOF Commander is the same one who portrayed LBJ in Snake Eater. Kojima has already stated that Ground Zeroes will tackle "taboo" subjects he's afraid might seriously impact release of the game, and what could be more taboo than having your game's villain literally be the rotting, resurrected revenant of a World Leader who was active during living memory, especially one with a real-life record of positive legislation like the Civil Rights movement?
- Considering that the game is tackling Child Soldiers and Blood Diamonds, and considering that to date the series has let you kill one former president (who is the main villian) and witness the death of the current president and kill a high-profile Senator whose a shoe-in to become the next president (before you reply Hideo approved Rising's storyline so it counts), simply including a real life figure political figure as a villian is hardly taboo and in fact has been done to death in movies and literature and been done many times in games, so it's hardly a taboo.
- I think he means an actual President but you might be right about making a historical President a villain not being a novelty anymore. Just like how the how King George Washington outcry in Assassin's Creed III just sort of fizzled.
- Jossed, Skull Face is from an unidentified European country (speculated to be Hungary), the burns really are just burns.
He was detained in Camp Omega because he's actually Gray Fox.
- With Ishmael and Big Boss sharing a Voice Actor that's highly unlikely. Considering that Keither Sutherland is in his 40s while Gray Fox would be in his twenties or early thirties.
- Jossed. All of the rescued prisoners have voices, none of them are Keither. Not to mention that all of them can be ignored bar Paz and Chico. He's actually Big Boss.
- They have the same green eyes and generally look similar to each other.
- Chico mentions wanting to be a hunter when he grows up in PW.
- In one of the interrogation tapes in GZ, Paz tells Chico to just be quiet when he tries to talk to her.
- She is apparently tortured and interrogated by Kaz alongside Huey, which could be related to the destruction of MSF - Kaz already blames it on Chico.
- Chico feels guilt over betraying MSF and being forced by Skull Face to have sex with Paz.
- Kojima mentioned that the audience will feel ashamed at their misconceptions about Quiet's design and character.
Stefanie Joosten, Quiet's motion capture actress, personally Jossed this one.
- Even without Joosten saying anything, this theory was jossed from the start, it was made as a joke to mock all the crazy Big Boss body double theories, it was never meant to be taken seriously.

- Except that he doesn't seem to have it when he wakes from his coma. It looks to be the result of whatever happens during the hospital incident.
- You could easily say that the bandages were covering the horn.
- Jossed. Kojima has said that the horn is part bone, part shrapnel.
- This also explains why he's so durable in Metal Gear.
- Definitely jossed by Word of God; the Ground Zeroes prologue takes place just after Peace Walker, and the Phantom Pain takes place in 1984.
- Scratch that, this has been confirmed.
- This does seem like a given; The Seychelles Mother Base follows on from the design of the previous base, which Cipher actively threatened to destroy even before Skull Face actively did so. It also makes sense that the Big Shell - with a name almost appropriate for a villain's hideout - would be used as part of an elaborate scenario to assert control over a wayward Son of Big Boss, given the Patriot AI seems to have completely misinterpreted Zero's will and ideology.
- Well there are a few problems there. The first is that Ishmael is interacting with Punished Snake in the trailer, in a very plot-crucial manner that would lose it's impact if removed. They don't have the same models on account of the different clothing (which would present it's only challenges) and because the bandages obscure a lot of facial expressions, which can't just be covered up by slapping some bandages on him post production. Plus there is no announced co-op feature; Ground Zeroes certainly is confirmed to be a single-player experience, and Peace Walker was co-op because of it's nature as a portable game and because the missions were broken up into comparatively short stand-alone missions. Grand Theft Auto V shows all the problems with a massive open world game with multiplayer thrown in. Several features would be a pain to code (such as the reaction time), and the plot really would suffer for it (how many times in the trailers have we heard "You need to handle this one on your own?" Wouldn't really work if you had a partner with you).
- Wall of text response: The WMG doesn't exactly preclude Ishmael being important to the plot; going back to Peace Walker, playing co-op would insert the masked sidekick into (in-game engine) cutscenes with somewhat unique reactions. A similar method would have to be used to maintain any important actions Ishmael takes in the story. As far as the trailer goes, I'd assume that certain missions would be single player (once again taking PW's precedent), including the mission portrayed in that trailer, hence Ishmael's interactivity. Not sure what to make of the "models" comment above; they seemed to have the similar builds in the trailer. And what exactly is the issue with facial expressions? Peace Walker being portable doesn't mean that co-op should strictly be reserved for games on portable devices; the success of the game gives reason to believe that porting over some of its newer features is worthwhile. I agree that programming would be a pain, especially with slow-mo. Regarding the story, Peace Walker (yes, I know, again) had a metric ton of "It's all up to you, Snake!" moments while still allowing for back-up. Even if Snake has to accomplish his mission supposedly by himself, his building a support team, which might include physical backup, from scratch still plays into the whole idea of being cut off.
- Jossed. He's Big Boss.
- You could also take his accelerated aging into account - even though it isn't mentioned until Guns Of The Patriots, there's no proof that he can't have undergone an early growth spurt. He's probably less likely to be a Guttural Growler, though.
- Though if you believe the somewhat plausible "Eli=Liquid Snake" theory, an early growth spurt would be unlikely as then Snake and Eli would have different apparent ages. Considering how important their duality and their status as twins is to the overall series, I doubt Kojima would put in such a difference in character designs. Assuming Eli is Liquid, which, granted, is definitely not confirmed.
What if Kiefer only voices Big Boss in the trailers? Or if Hayter is coming back as a Snake, but a much younger Solid, Liquid or even Solidus Snake? What if the trailers are lying to the audience about what is and isn't in the game?
MGS2 had a bunch of lies in its trailers, as reflections of its themes of memetics and information control. Maybe Kojima is doing the same here, especially since this game will most likely deal with Big Boss versus his former friends, who were all original Patriots and created the Patriot AIs who drove the plot of MGS1, MGS2 and MGS4. Kojima is also heavily disillusioned with Metal Gear in general, since he views the franchise as preventing him from working on other titles...and he does want this to be his last, like MGS4 and MGS2 before him. That could factor in as well.
- It does seem more likely to me that Sutherland would be more appropriate for one of the Snakes, but then having listened to his voice in the trailer, it does seem like it bridges the gap nicely between Hayter's Snake voice and Doyle's Big Boss voice from MGS4. It's also stated that they think Sutherland will be able to put across some of the more dramatic, bleaker moments a little better than Hayter would, which seems unlikely; Hayter did great work across MGS3, Portable Ops and Peace Walker with Big Boss, so I'm not so certain they'd replace him. As for Big Boss confronting Cipher - later to become the Patriots, we presume, unless the AI's adopted that title of their own will - that could be tricky; Kojima still needs to reconcile Big Boss coming back to take charge of FOXHOUND in time for Metal Gear. So would we actually be seeing a big confrontation?
- Confirmed, and it appears to be more than a cameo. He will apparently be one of the supporting characters aiding Big Boss.
- With the game taking place during 1983 after Big Boss' coma ends, Gray Fox may very well show up.
- 1984 per word of God.
- With the game taking place during 1983 after Big Boss' coma ends, Gray Fox may very well show up.
- Possible, though there is only one sniper character confirmed for the game and it's not her.
- Unlikely though since Wolf would still be a child, although Big Boss at least is in the right area of the world when rescuing Miller to stop by.
- He's not actually, Sniper Wolf is from Iraqi Kurdistan while Big Boss is in Afghanistan. Iran is inbetween the two.
- Perhaps Quiet trained Sniper Wolf, which would explain why both are Ms. Fanservice.
- Jossed. Quiet dies regardless of player's choices. Either at the beginning or later when she sacrificed herself for Snake
- Unlikely though since Wolf would still be a child, although Big Boss at least is in the right area of the world when rescuing Miller to stop by.
They should have been born by the time the game takes place. Liquid Snake seemed to have been raised directly by Big Boss so he might come into custody within the game, and Solid Snake seemed to have at least Big Boss' string-pulling involved in his life so he might get sent off somewhere of Big Boss' choosing too.
- How old would they be? If this game is truly a lead-in to Metal Gear 5, and if that stars Solid Snake again, we may get some teen Solid Snake action to set it up. And the two Snakes playable in the same game? My god, the possibilities... In fact, Big Boss had to become Solid Snake's boss somehow.
- Ten years old, at the most, actually. So maybe no teen Snake, but Big Boss isn't averse to child soldiers.
- Since their born in 1972, they would be two come Peace Walker and by 1983, 11 years old. Since the latest trailer says Big Boss was in a coma for 9 years.
- 1984. It's been confirmed to be set in 1984 by Word of God himself because all of the main Big Boss games take place ten years appart (Snake Eater = 1964, Peace Walker = 1974, Phantom Pain = 1984).
- We never did learn how Big Boss knew Solid Snake was his "son", and this game may show this.
- Maybe confirmed, since it's possible that Eli may be Liquid.
- Confirmed as of the E3 2015 trailer.
- Not necessarily. We see two Snake Children, and LET has offered up more secrets in the past - like Solidus; What if the 'V has come to' line refers to not only a fourth, but fifth Snake Child? Although that it's Liquid is increasingly likely; it matches up with the unusual statement from Liquid in the original game that he hated Big Boss, like he knew him on a personal level. But I think it's especially unlikely that the other child is David, given.. Well, surely Snake would remember that during the Outer Heaven mission?.
- Leave it to Kojima to turn an Ass Pull into a shocking revelation, I guess.
- Eli is Liquid.
- Ten years old, at the most, actually. So maybe no teen Snake, but Big Boss isn't averse to child soldiers.
In the GDC trailer, the man in the bandages says he's been looking after Big Boss for 9 years, given Chico's hinted role as a coerced sleeper agent, he might have looked after Big Boss for those 9 years out of guilt for betraying him, which would explain why he doesn't give his real name. Or he could be Gray Fox undergoing reconstructive surgery for his ears and nose....
- Unlikely, since Gray Fox said he lost his ears and nose in an incident that ended with Big Boss rescuing him, while Big Boss has just woken up from a coma and is unlikely to have rescued Frank from armed soldiers whilst sleep-walking. Considering that Ishmael shares the same VO as Big Boss it's probable he's just an hallucination (hence why he gets covered in flames when apparaition!Volgin shows up and is trying to put himself out but when the camera cuts back to him he doesnt' have so much as a singed hair on his head.
- He's Big Boss.
- Leaked achievements for the game hint at one called "Beekeeper", so this might not be as absurd as it sounds.
- Confirmed in a recent trailer, with a child with extremely powerful psychic abilities wearing Mantis' famous unique gasmask shows up following a series of paranormal events. He also has hair now.
- There's room for one or two more games in the series—The events leading to Big Boss rejoining American special forces, and Snake's early days. They could be folded into MGSV, but most MGS games are on too short of a timeline to encompass all those events. One time skip is probably novel enough for a new element, and they'll likely want to explore the 80s thoroughly instead of jump forward in a single game.
- The first Metal Gear game was Solid's early days, so that idea's out.
- There's room for one or two more games in the series—The events leading to Big Boss rejoining American special forces, and Snake's early days. They could be folded into MGSV, but most MGS games are on too short of a timeline to encompass all those events. One time skip is probably novel enough for a new element, and they'll likely want to explore the 80s thoroughly instead of jump forward in a single game.
Also, flaming whales.
This will require some explaining. Let me start with the trailer's opening, which shows "Big Boss" being resuscitated by a doctor. Notice that our angle makes it look like we are seeing this through another's eyes, and a few times during this, the doctor across from the one saving "Big Boss" glances in our direction sometimes. After Big Boss is stabilized, we see Miller looking at us, and he says "What about him?", and before the trailer cuts away, we see the doctors turning around.
- Hideo's answer to "who is the POV character" is that he is the POV character. Considering you can actually recruit Hideo in Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker to work at Mother Base that's...not actually that implausable.
Next, we have the title, "Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain". Why is it that, prior to this, we have 2, 3, and 4, but now we have the roman numeral "V"? At the end of the trailer, we hear a voice say "V has come to"... Just like "Big Boss" does at the beginning of Phantom Pain! But why the nickname "V"? Because he would be the fifth version of Big Boss (Liquid, Solid, Solidus, and of course Big Boss himself being his predecessors). Another thing that made me think of this theory was David Hayter not being asked to come voice Big Boss, though I suppose this could be explained away due to him aging (After all, he didn't have Hayter voice him in one installment). If they have the same voice actor in the Japanese version, this part of the theory is Jossed.
- They have the same VO in the Japanese version. The reason given for Hayter's replacement is that they are combining the voice acting with facial motion capture for the game. Since the motion capture is done in English with Kiefer they have no reason to change the VO for the Japanese version (who is a much bigger name there making it suicidal to change it over).
But what about the age? This man we're seeing is clearly older than what Liquid, Solid, and Solidus would be in 1974/1983. That's why I put the clone in quotation marks, since I don't think it's actually a clone of Big Boss, but rather somebody they found and implanted the DNA of Big Boss into. I got this part of the theory from a friend, but when he mentioned it, it all made sense. Originally, I thought they might have tried to engineer an adult clone, but ended up not doing it again because this one aged much faster than the others and ended up dying very quickly. But what he said, about it being a different person but with DNA implanted in them, it fit in a lot better. After all, "Joakim" was saying that this wasn't a Metal Gear game, and that the man in the trailer just looked like Big Boss... Which would mean that Kojima was telling the truth, disguised as a lie, while lying about what the game was. It fits, doesn't it?
- Implanting the DNA of Big Boss into someone doesn't change that person at all. There was an entire Genome Army that had parts of Big Boss' DNA into them and didn't change, that's just not how it works. It would take extensive plastic surgery on his face as well as duplicating all of his scars, which by 1980s standards would not create someone who could fool people who know Big Boss very well.
Now, I do have some other points, but I am not so sure about these. The rest of this title, "The Phantom Pain". I thought that this could have been the title because all of this pain is being experienced by another clone, or somebody with the DNA, of Big Boss, a "phantom", if you will. Of course, I thought this before being reminded what Phantom Pain meant (the article here explains it pretty well, but if you don't want to look back, it means you feel where you no longer have a limb), so this is a highly unlikely part. And then there was the song chosen for the trailer, "Not Your Kind of People" by Garbage. This may have been chosen because of how it sounded, and in all likelihood that's the only reason, but couldn't it also have been because this man really is not our kind? He was a normal man, but then he was altered by the DNA of Big Boss, thus making him not like normal people and not even like Big Boss's real clones.
- The second song is Sins of the Father which fits Big Boss' relationship with his own sons, but loses it's meaning if the main character is some random guy.
Now, a lot of you could argue that this has all already been Jossed. Kojima has stated in a recent interview that the "pov" we were experiencing in the trailer was Kojima himself, and that the V stood for "Victory". Kojima also pretended to be a man named Joakim Mogren, head of Moby Dick Studios, so make what you will of that.
- It was a stunt. Hideo has never directly lied to us. He also never pretended to be Joakim Mogren except for his appearance at the GDC, which was just a joke.
Now, two last points that could be used against this. If this is a clone, or a genetically altered man, then why does he experience Big Boss's "flashbacks" seen in the trailer? That could be explained away by saying this man was also given Big Boss's memories, so that he would believe he truly was Big Boss. And finally, what's up with the horn on Big Boss at the end? Well, I don't know. Maybe a side effect of being genetically altered by Big Boss's DNA improperly?
- Memories aren't stored in DNA. It also doesn't explain why all these characters who have met the real Big Boss and known him well treat this guy like the real deal, including his best friend (Kaz) and his biggest Fanboy (Ocelot), two of the three people (EVA) who would be able to instantly tell a fake after holding a five second conversation with them. The Horn is also confirmed to be a piece of shrapnel that's embedded in his skull, as seen in the x-rays during the E3 trailer.
Also, one point that can't be made is Big Boss missing an arm. That's easily explained by Big Boss using the body parts of Liquid and Solidus Snake to fix his injuries.
- We never see Big Boss' natural arms in either Metal Gear games, with Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake stating he had some of his limbs replaced with robotic versions.
I think that's all, but I feel like I forgot to mention something..... If I remember it, I'll put it here.
"You also forgetting one very basic thing..." This "Punished" Snake has GREEN eyes. Think about it. That's right, Big Boss has BLUE eyes. Ergo, this confirms that this is new character and not Big Boss.
- His eye looks blue to me.
◊ We don't ever see Big Boss' eyes clear enough in the trailers. Plus when Hideo pulled this trick before he went and swapped out Raiden's character model and environments with Snake's. The eye colour is such a simple thing to swap so....not to mention that you'd think that Kaz or Ocelot would take one look at this new guy and say "Hey Snake, why has your eye colour changed to a different colour?"
- Please, it's Hideo we're talking about, you can't take anything for granted. Just think about it, would THAT Hideo Kojima do a really stupid mistake of mixing up really small, but important thing? Even if by some bizarre chance this "Punished Snake" really is Big Boss (which I seriously doubt, Big Boss never had a horn, not in Metal Gear 1-2, nor in MGS4, and pattern of scars doesn't match up) there's gotta be something more to it. If Kojima showed it with a close-up of something that is 'wrong', (eyes can be seen during extended cut trailer, about 6 minutes in) I'd say something is definitely up. And of course they(Ocelot and Kaz) know it's not real Big Boss, duh, they all in cahoots. But I will admit it's hard to say anything for sure, because actual content with answers is not released, so all we can do for now is wait. Still, my money is on theory that it's not Big Boss.
- Yeah, that was my point. It is this Hideo Kojima, the guy who hid the Raiden twist to such levels that he made scenes specifically for the trailers that would never appear in the game. The horn is a piece of shrapnel which can be removed anytime in the ten years between Phantom Pain and Metal Gear 1 and 2, scars heal with time and surgery to fix burns all over your body (both of which makes his horn and scar-free appearance in 4 irrelevant), and the eyes thing is bogus too (his eye colour in 1984 is the same as in the Ground Zeroes section in 1975, visible 7 minutes 52 seconds in the E3 trailer during the Ground Zeroes segment, the exact same shade as it is with the close up with the Punished Snake popup). In both the Ground Zeroes and Phantom Pain he's voiced by Kiefer Sutherland, the characters are the same. Same VO, same eye colour (which at worst looks like it's between blue and green, which can be explained by the lighting but it is still the exact same shade between Big Boss riding in the helicopter and "Punished Snake" firing his gun in the cave), not to mention that Ocelot worships the ground Big Boss walks on. He is the ultimate BB fanboy, if he came across someone pretending to be him he's not going to play along and be in cahoots, he'd shoot the motherfucker dead. Same deal with Kaz. These are two people who are loyal to Big Boss to a fault, they are not going to just sit back and treat someone they know to be a fake as their best friend.
- Please, it's Hideo we're talking about, you can't take anything for granted. Just think about it, would THAT Hideo Kojima do a really stupid mistake of mixing up really small, but important thing? Even if by some bizarre chance this "Punished Snake" really is Big Boss (which I seriously doubt, Big Boss never had a horn, not in Metal Gear 1-2, nor in MGS4, and pattern of scars doesn't match up) there's gotta be something more to it. If Kojima showed it with a close-up of something that is 'wrong', (eyes can be seen during extended cut trailer, about 6 minutes in) I'd say something is definitely up. And of course they(Ocelot and Kaz) know it's not real Big Boss, duh, they all in cahoots. But I will admit it's hard to say anything for sure, because actual content with answers is not released, so all we can do for now is wait. Still, my money is on theory that it's not Big Boss.
- Confirmed! Though instead of a clone he's a body-double who was willingly brainwashed into believing he's the genuine article, and is every bit as badass as Big Boss of his own accord.
When Big Boss wakes up in the hospital, there is a Union Jack hanging in the room. This could suggest that he has awoken in British-run facility, though its location would be a good question (seeing as the last place we have seen Big Boss was fleeing the destruction of Mother Base in Central America). Given the conflicts going on, it could be possible that the facility is linked to Cipher or Zero.
The idea that there is another location that the Phantom Pain will play out in is very circumstantial. Given the presence of Ocelot, someone that appears to be Psycho Mantis, and the new red prosthetic hand Big Boss has in the Diamond Dogs outfit (a hand similar to Zadornov's hand), part of the game may be in the Soviet Union.
- Confirmed. The E3 trailer shows that there will be missions in both Afghanistan and Africa.
- Zero and Big Boss. FOX served as the point of origin for both, the "zero" from which they diverged after founding the Patriots.
- Big Boss and Skull Face, who have many parallels, and who may be directly related somehow. Both are, or were, involved with the defunct FOX unit, and both use their iconography.
- Solid and Liquid Snake. "Shadows in the shape of men," "beasts created by man," and so forth. Both were created as a result of experiments conducted by former FOX personnel.
- Ground Zeroes and The Phantom Pain. Two games born of the FOX Engine.
Perhaps this is a credit to whoever edited together the GDC13 Phantom Pain trailer and to "Not Your Kind of People", but it almost feels like there will some moment for this. It could be the nurse that finds Big Boss waking up from the coma, it could be the doctor, or it could be some other patients that the player will meet and get to know. It just seems that there will be some disheartening moment when the hospital is raided and someone you have come to know and possibly like will get killed offed during your escape. The only other punch that could happen is if the person you care for turns out to be a Cipher agent or someone working for Zero, sent to keep tabs on you (or worse, take certain actions if you wake up).
- Confirmed somewhat by trailers and teasers, as a good few Kick the Dog instances can be seen; namely, there are sequences involving defenseless patients being executed and gunned down en masse by soldiers and Those Who Do Not Exist.
Since it is known that Dr. Madnar is capable of creating a cyborg body for Raiden, it may not be a far stretch to think that he could make an effective prosthetic hand given 80's technology in a Metal Gear world. He could be to one to fit Big Boss with a new hand after the hospital escape, and the moment could also make a nod to his eventual role in the first "Metal Gear" as the designer of the TX-55.
- So the first numbered Metal Gear game since 2008 and it's All Just a Dream. I can see no way in which this could possibly piss off the entire fanbase and kill the franchise.
- Wolf would still be a child in 1984, Ishmael is voiced by Kiefer Sutherland who is also voicing BB, so that makes no sense and again you run into the "too young" thing since Ishmael is claiming to have watched over BB during his coma, which would mean by 2005 Decoy Octopus would be just shy of 50 assuming that A) he was already affiliated with MSF and B) Chico was the only Child Soldier MSF employed. While there is literally nothing on Octopus' past to rule out his involvement...there is also literally nothing to warrant bringing him back in.
- Confirmed to an extent — while child soldiers is a recurring, controversial theme, whether the scenes of Snake shooting children is "creative" editing or simply a cutscene (i.e. players can only watch Big Boss do it, as most would just refuse to keep playing) is yet to be seen.
- It's creative editing both out- and In-Universe: A PFC commander has hired Diamond Dogs to eliminate his former subordinates, and they only find out on site that most of them are children. So Snake and Kaz decide to record a tape of Snake shooting at the kids (it's eventually revealed he's actually aiming at a random bucket) in order to both save the kids and get paid anyway.
- "A Youth who Curses his Fate." Sound familiar?
- Confirmed. He is referred to as Liquid in the closing timeline.
- It's doubtful Raiden would show up or play any significant role, considering he was born in the 1980s. At the very most, he'd be 3 years old during the events of Phantom Pain. Or at least be seen in a cameo role.
- Ironically Ichmael is the most likely to be an hallucination since he shares Big Boss' voice actor.
- To add fuel to the fire for this, Miller did call Big Boss a monster by Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake, so yeah....
- That line had a much different context in the game but it would be a nice happy accident if this becomes confirmed.
- There might actually be some support to this theory: in one of the trailers, there is a split second scene of Big Boss and Miller walking away from each other. It's a very short scene and Kojima has by now made clear that we should never trust his trailers, but it could very well represent the final rift between the two friends and their subsequent going separate ways. After all, Miller must have at some point abandoned Big Boss prior to (or at most during) Operation Intrude N313. This could also have interesting developments, such as the game taking alternatively Big Boss's and Miller's POV, one compromising his ideals more and more in his amoral pursuit of revenge, the other trying to repair the damage he himself once contributed to cause.
- Miller would actually argue that it's the other way around, and because of this vows to help take Big Boss down eventually.
- That would involve Cipher deciding that the best way to kill a man would be to go to the group he created and recruited for, no doubt filled with people who respect the man, and trying to convince them that they should kill their old boss.
- They are, in fact the cleanup crew for FOX.

- Confirmed.
- And the achievement description will be "Snake... what took you so long?"
- Possible, although the only problem is that we know GW is the first operational Patriot AI - the simulation with Raiden was designed to see whether people could be fed information and still go along with what they were told - and that's the initial purpose the AI were designed for, before they decided the best path to guide mankind was via the war economy. That doesn't stop Skullface and XOF receiving their orders from a prototype. We also know that Cipher is perfectly willing to blow MSF out of the water if necessary, given what happened with Paz, and she was receiving orders from them.
- Incorrect. GW was the key to the S3 plan, but you are talking to the Patriot AI throughout the entire game. There is no evidence that the S3 plan is anything but their creation.
- XOF doesn't answer to Cipher, but it's Skull Face's own unit. Although, after Skull Face's death, they take orders from Zero's proxies.
- Personally, I think they'd save that for another game. In particular, after wrapping up this portion of the Metal Gear saga, they'll begin development of the true culmination of the series—an HD remake of the original Metal Gear (possibly both 1 & 2), with campaigns for both Snake and Big Boss as suggested above. It'll be released in 2017, marking the 30 year anniversary of the franchise.
- The FOB system is this. It's mandatory after episode 22.
- The Deja Vu content isn't a remake, it's a homage where the character models are swapped out for the PS1 versions, with the environments still being the Ground Zeroes ones.
- Fair enough. It'd be nice to see them as DLC for The Phantom Pain though.
- Samuel Rodriguez will also appear in this remake.
- Well, Samuel will ask John or David if they know about MSX. Brazilians knew about MSX, so why not? However, Americans don't know about MSX.
- Given Kojima's love for Assassin's Creed, I don't see why they couldn't use that last one.
- The hand can be used to make a knocking noise for distraction, but any further functions remain to be seen.
- A stun function has been confirmed in a similar manner to the stun knife from Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots and the stun rod from Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker.
- Non-lethal and lethal variants of a rocket punch function can be developed for the hand.
- I expect most of them to be jossed by the time the games comes out. I would not be surprised if all of them a jossed.
- The internet as in arpanet (well Peace walker ending alludes to that)
- Influencing the public (could tie in with the internet).
- Something or someone human sized or shaped
- Solid Snake - If you can't get Naked Snake/Big Boss to bust some mecha for you then make a copy of the legendary mechabuster (the reason why I used the term mecha was because Shagohod is not a metal gear)
- Reality warping- we already have a guy that could teleport (Gene/Viper) and with Hideo Kojima in the game META GEAR!
- Just another Mecha as in Metal Gear Ray was was
- Psychological warfare with zombies (remember those gray guys from the trailer. They look like cyborg zombies with numbers instead of barcodes. By zombies I mean bringing back to life but unlike Raiden or Gray Fox the process bring them back gray with a bit of rotting.
- According to Hideo Kojima theme of Metal Gear Solid was about "gene" and how the far prequel MGSV theme is "race". Looks like it might involve lots of racist eugenic research before gene research starts or a search for some lost papers involving racist eugenic research.
- Something vague and unexpected with Big Boss destroying it before we find out.
- Stuff from space such as a satelite launch, the A.I.s, or NUKE FROM SPACE!!!
- Well, shenanigans involving amputated Snake arms certainly wouldn't be new for Metal Gear...
- I kind of think that Kojima he meant that Kaz is slowly becoming the man nicknamed Hellmaster.
- It is Miller. The E3 trailer clearly shows him minus An Arm and a Leg and it looks like he didn't avail of the same prosthetic as Snake.
- I wouldn't be surprised if this was the case. The Boss more or less said that that's what Big Boss went through himself during his own training.
- Going further, it might be another level of moral gameplay choices that the series is occasionally known for. Just like how repeatedly electrocuting helpless/defenseless enemies keeps them out of your hair, torturing/"conditioning" allies may bring gameplay benefits (possibly of a gamebreaker nature to make it more of a moral quandary) at the cost of, you know, the player's soul.
- To show Big Boss's descent in antagonism, the series might be moving away from the tradition of making you destroy your thumbs for gameplay reasons to destroying your soul for gameplay reasons.
- However, in Ground Zeroes, we find out that inviting the UN inspection of Mother Base was solely Huey's idea, which he requested without consulting Snake beforehand. Couple that with the fact that he somehow survived the assault, and it would be pretty reasonable that Big Boss would suspect him to be a traitor. As for Quiet's case, we still don't know enough about her.
- Part of the confusion about Quiet's torture seems to stem from people assuming that she's on Big Boss's side, likely due to her prominence in trailers and sympathetic traits, when the reality is that she could very well be an antagonist - possibly even part of a Quirky Miniboss Squad.
- I think he was being legit with MGS 2, just too highbrow. His commentary on memes and the whole video-game experience is actually interesting; it doesn't seem like he was out to offend anybody. Not that he wasn't occasionally trolling.
- Peace Walker and Revengeance were pretty badass. I think he's still open to milking the cash cow. And he's apparently trying to be tasteful with the heavier material like child soldiers and stuff. I don't think that's a bald-faced lie. So I get the feeling that he doesn't hate us yet.
- I think the fact that he keeps coming back says a lot, really. At this point, he could do anything he liked, but he can't cut the cord when it comes to Metal Gear. I do think he no longer gives a shit about making sure every last little thing links up - take, for instance, the utterly ridiculous mechs of Peace Walker, but I think he's more interested in just telling the stories he wants to tell. After Portable Ops, he's clearly wary of letting anyone else touch the franchise, so.. I think it could be a love/hate thing.
- Hideo Kojima loves Metal Gear's Friendly Rivalry with other notable stealth series. In this case, the controversy surrounding replacing the voice acting can go two different ways. If Kiefer really ends up being Snake, it's an homage to Sam Fisher's Michael Ironside being replaced by Eric Johnson. If Hayter reprises the role, it's a shout-out to David Bateson returning to the role of Agent 47 in "Absolution" following fan backlash.
- It's where Big Boss rescued Grey Fox and served with him, and given how the game seems to be tying everything up, it's unlikely that this detail would be left unaddressed.
- The timeline would suggest that this is the case - locations like certain nations in Africa and the country of Afghanistan, are featured prominently in the list, and these locations have been confirmed to be playable. Vietnam is mentioned a few times as well.
- 1984 is when the Cambodian-Vietnam War was currently being fought so the timeline is plausible. Meeting Gray Fox might be an issue since he was already in Rhodesia in 1979.
- And that relative will grow up to become Vulcan Raven.
- Not likely Vulcan Raven is Inuit while Code Talker is most likely Navajo.
- Psycho Mantis looks like he is appearing if the kid with the gas mask is any indication. Eli probably is Liquid.
- Kojima has confirmed through GameInformer that the child is Psycho Mantis.
- Which will either be a prequel starring The Boss or cover the events of The Mercenary War.
- Or The Movie adaptation will be a Metal Gear retelling.
- Seems to be increasingly likely with the events of Ground Zeroes, only that instead of Amanda dying, it was Paz.
- Jossed, as he died in the helicopter crash.
So Skull Face basically mocks Paz's death saying that it won't change the world the way she hoped it would. The Phantom Pain will end with Paz's death indeed changing the world, maybe even being the catalsyt for all the events of the Metal Gear Solid Snake Saga. What do you guys think?
- Well, it looks like it'll drive Snake in his desire for revenge, so that's plausible.
- Since Paz dies at the end of Ground Zeroes, the biggest impact it would be additional motivation for Big Boss's revenge, as well as possibly Chico.
- His backstory strongly resembles a Real Life incident which occurred in 1944. The Metal Gear wiki actually does list his nationality as Hungarian.
- Seems like a waste of a concept and as a sales point. A standalone remake of the original Metal Gear would sell on it's own merits, no reason to waste half of a game on a remake and thus lose the extra sales.
- The menu screen doesn't count as canon.
- That still wouldn't explain why Big Boss has the burn marks in the trailers.
- But that doesn't explain why the decoy Paz would willingly perform a Heroic Sacrifice to save Snake from the bomb implanted inside her.
- To sell the deception. In any case, would you really want to kill the people that tried to save you from a man who shoved two bombs inside of you?
- As detailed in the Wild Mass Guess above about him being Hungarian, his backstory sounds a lot like a Real Life incident that did occur during World War II.
- Or ZEKE will be stolen and reversed engineered to become the prototype for REX.
- That's farfetched, even for Metal Gear. Also; the Xbox exclusive mission is plot-important but the Playstation one is irrelevant? That'll go over well with the fanboys.
- Unlikely, since the game takes place in 1984 and Metal Gear Solid takes place in 2005. Assuming Octopus is 20 and already a master of disguise in 1984 that would make him 41 at the time of his death. His photos make him look a bit to young to be in his forties, and considering the lengths he went through for his disguises he'd be in to poor a shape to be in FOXHOUND.
- But... but he went to those same extreme lengths in the first game too. How would he be in poorer shape from doing it here than from doing it in Metal Gear Solid?
- Because he was still in the prime of his life? Because when you're younger your body can handle injuries better than when you're older? Not everyone can be like The End and have weathered a physically rough life so well.
- But... but he went to those same extreme lengths in the first game too. How would he be in poorer shape from doing it here than from doing it in Metal Gear Solid?
- That would be fine, if those were the lyrics. The line you're referring to is "We are not your kind of people/Won't be cast as demons/Creatures you despise" It's a shockingly common mondegreen that I've seen twice already on this wiki. Is it that hard to google the lyrics?
- I made the same mistake with the song Sins of The Father until I saw the official lyrics. I was just so certain that it was creatures in disguise that I never bothered to look, I apologize. Anyway the theory itself seems at least somewhat plausible, because it seems odd to me for Kojima to plant something in a game where it doesn't have greater significance later on. The demonic Volgin and the Snatchers will likely come into play at some point.
- Or he's busy working on that movie that he promoted As Himself in that game.
Alternatively, both could be a VR simulation trying to recall Big Boss's memories while he was in a coma (and I mean after the time Solid Snake burned him in Zanzibarland).
- Confirmed. Snake hallucinates Paz in the medical unit. He's also the Medic who has been given memories from the real Big Boss.
- Considering what we know about Huey now, his suicide likely had a lot to do with his guilt about putting his son in mortal danger to push his research, letting his wife die while listening to her plead, and, oh I don't know, murdering a crap ton of his supposed allies in a pretty horrible way. Ocelot said that someday, he'd see through his own BS.
- Well, Ocelot's final words regarding him were that he would see what kind of man he really was, and see through his own BS. I think it was hinting at this being a contributing factor in his suicide...
- Given the state of Big Boss after Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake, it must have been pretty bad for all the technology Zero has access to to not be able to restore him to some sort of working condition.
- Or it could have just been old age. Even the wiki (spoilers obviously)
confirms he was born 1909, making him 30 at the start of WWII, making him 55 during Snake Eater (1964), 75 during The Phantom Pain (1984), and 105 during Guns of the Patriots (2014). All of that gene therapy and cybernetics only entered practical use during the 2000s, no help to a man whose already pushing it in years.
- Bear in mind that the Metal Gear series is essentially an Alternate History where human cloning and relatively sophisticated cybernetic limbs have existed since The '70s.
- Yet only ever entered use in the 2000s - gene therapy was explicated stated to be revolutionary in the 2000s (so no anti-aging available until Zero was in his 90s), cybernetics weren't at the level of usefulness until the 2010s (hence why they were limited to either exoskeletons or replacing lost limbs). Nothing seen in the series really helps you deal with the fact that he was a 105 year old man at his last sighting being kept alive by machines, that he's even still alive is exceptional. No need to convoluted explanations when reality provides the perfect one.
- Since when did Metal Gear ever go for the realistic explanation? Or even the simple one?
- Or it could have just been old age. Even the wiki (spoilers obviously)
- Confirmed. Skull Face infects Zero with a disease that simulates dementia. Over the years, Zero loses his mind until he becomes the vegetable that Big Boss Mercy Kills at the end of Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots.

- Jossed. The Medic is Venom Snake and Ishmael is Big Boss.
- One trailer depicts her in fatigues, being choked by a Soviet soldier. In the game itself, he tries to rape her, but once he gets her pants off, her powers come back.
- Jossed. She's dead and it's left ambiguous as to Huey's loyalties until Episode 43, where it transpires he's responsible for the new strain of vocal chord parasite.
At first, Quiet will be dressed in a very typical soldier's attire. At some point, she'll be captured by Big Boss and Ocelot, and that's when she'll lose her top and possibly her pants. After the torture session, she managed to escape and acquire a sniper rifle from Big Boss' own arsenal, though she was unable to retrieve her clothes. If I had to guess, I'd say that's probably going to be followed by a boss fight where she's killed, but really, that's nothing more than pure speculation on my part with no reference to back it up.
- The E3 2014 trailer clearly shows Quiet fighting Diamond Dogs soldiers on the platform where their new base is, and she's dressed in her bare outfit while doing so, thus lending even more credibility to the theory that she was captured and stripped by Ocelot.
- Miller mentions in Peace Walker that FOXHOUND already exists. I presume this WMG is based on Portable Ops being non-canon. Unless the Diamond Dogs are absorbed into FOXHOUND that part is unlikely.
- Confirmed. Zero assists the Diamond Dogs in hiding Big Boss from XOF.
- Definitely seems legit to me.
- Nope, sounds pretty legit to me.
- This is actually subverted ingame. When she turns up on Mother Base, tt seems like she could have survived in a flashback, but it turns out that Snake is hallucinating her himself.
- That looked like ZEKE to me. Remember that the MSF hid ZEKE at the bottom of the ocean prior to the events of Ground Zeroes. It's entirely possible that Skull Face could have found it.
- Possible - it's just the structure of it looks more like Rex, to me. It seems to have that same hunched stance, plus the shape of the head. Again, it also would make more sense with the a weapon to surpass Metal Gear line from the earlier trailer, since it is, again, a step-up from ZEKE, and Kojima could want to address the inconsistency. It's also worth noting that in the original Solid game, Rex itself isn't a big deal, for whatever reason - the railgun and the associated nuke is.
- It's still got ZEKE's AI Pod, but it's possible, since ZEKE heads are interchangeable, that the head was changed to a REX-style cockpit to accommodate a human pilot.
- The launch trailer shows the full thing. It has a similar appearance to REX... when it's crouching. Standing at full height, it's twice the size of both REX and Peace Walker. But like REX, it has a cannon on its cod-piece
- Just an idle thought today after seeing the E3 2014 trailer of Phantom Pain. Considering how very dark Ground Zeroes is, and just how big Phantom Pain is intended to be, Kojima may have very well decided that, among other reasons, the subject matter in Ground Zeroes could have pushed a combined Metal Gear Solid 5 deep into the killer AO (US), Z (Japan) or 18/R18 ratings (Europe).
We know for a fact that A) Kaz and Snake hate each other's guts by the time Metal Gear 2 rolls around, and B) Outer Heaven is located in South Africa while the Diamond Dogs HQ seems to be at sea, possibly on top of Mother Base's remains. The E3 2014 trailer also shows what appears to be Snake killing three Diamond Dogs soldiers in cold blood. Since we know that both Big Boss and Miller go pretty far in their pursuit of vengeance, it's entirely possible that Snake crosses the line at some point, causing a violent rift between the friends. As such, halfway through the game, Big Boss will be forced to leave the Diamond Dogs HQ and found Outer Heaven, thus making the main strggle of the game between four different forces - Diamond Dogs, Outer Heaven, XOF and Cipher.
- They could be XOF troopers. But, on the other hand, Snake and Skull Face get off a jeep together. Snake doesn't appear to be a prisoner (yet), as he's still carrying his rifle. Perhaps Snake joins forces with Skull Face to combat Cypher and Kaz thinks it's a step too far and leaves.
- Alternatively, the final battle could be combination of Cipher and Big Boss fighting Skull Face. If this goes, this is explain why Big Boss was on a good term with US government during Metal Gear; he get their good graces after save the world from whatever Skull Face is cooked. Of course, that doesn't mean he would be graceful about it....
- Alternatively? You have to choose. Fight Cipher and satisfy your own inner demons, at the cost of your humanity, or fight Skull Face, and lost the chance for revenge, and enduring your inner hatred. And if Kojima feels like it, he can add third option, takes them both. Which ended with all your assets gone, your soldiers dead. Yes, it was glorious, but you still dead without accomplishing anything.
- The Custom 1911 or possibly The Patriot.
- A Mother Base soldier with good stats or a small squad to prop up Mother Base early on.
- The Battle Suit skin, since the fatigues are confirmed to appear in game and the sneaking suit appears in Ground Zeroes (The tux will become available upon completion of the main story).
- A full extra side story mission.
- Confirmed
that the player will be able to return to Camp Omega at some point, though it's not clear what exactly will be there. Given how it's restricted to people who have played Ground Zeroes, it's unlikely that Camp Omega is going to be plot critical in The Phantom Pain.
- Nope, you get a side op to rescue and re-recruit him in The Phantom Pain even if you don't have Ground Zeroes.
- The Greater-Scope Villain would, inevitably, be Zero. Well, not really.
- Alternatively, it could reference to the fact that Chico chose to betray Big Boss and send out the distress signal.
- Venom Snake is not actually Big Boss, but the Medic from Ground Zeroes.
- Didn't Kojima come out and say that he himself was the third person in the hospital?
- Yes, but he said that it was from a game director's perspective, meaning that they were referring to a character, whose eyes Kojima and the audience are seeing through. He most likely said that as a way to avoid answering who the character Kaz was referring to in-universe when they asked him in the interview. Besides, it's not like Kojima to add his own character to plot integral parts of the storyline such as Snake falling into a 9 year long coma.
- I doubt he's going to drop a bridge on himself either, unless he was one of the troublemakers that was transferred ashore before the events of Ground Zeroes and, therefore, was not present at Mother Base during the attack.
- I also agree he wouldn't just kill off his own character. There's a much bigger chance that Kojima really was offshore for whatever reason, or managed to escape the attack on MB, rather than including himself in such a critical plot point of the story.
- Eagle-eyed viewers have pointed out that in August 2015's Gamescom trailer, there is a shot of Big Boss and Kaz from a perspective as though they're standing over someone, and the former has a rifle exactly the same as Skull Face's in his hand.
- His whole backstory seems like one big justification for why someone like him Feels No Pain. Alternatively, Skull Face will have the most HP of any boss in the series and his fight will turn into a Marathon Level similar to The End's.
- Confirmed, but not in the way you think.
- She'll have to be immune to the game's tag mechanic for this to work. Which probably will be the case if implemented.
- They could defy the Permanently Missable Content trope by allowing Big Boss to non-lethally defeat Quiet, which will give the player a second chance to bring her back to Mother Base.
- Why else would he be able to experience stuff that won't happen for another thirty years? Also, if the skins unlocked in Ground Zeroes carry over to The Phantom Pain, this wouldn't be the first time a Snake has been able to acquire stuff from a dream.
- Potentially jossed as we have seen varying cutscenes and missions with her in the same costume, which is not to say she won't have alternate outfits or Kojima might be outright trolling us.
- The E3 2014 trailer shows her in combat fatigues being choked by a Soviet soldier.
- The player can invoke this with the Grey XOF and Sniper Wolf outfits.
- The same could also apply to the Medic and the one MSF soldier who was onboard the chopper.
- A tape confirms that Chico died on the chopper. The other two, not so.
- I always understood that this was canon.
- Confirmed.
- He's also the facial capture actor, so they're paying for his facial expressions as well as his voice.
- No, he doesn't speak as much because that's the direction they want to go in, and really, he never spoke that much in the previous games, all the other cast members easily had twice or three times the amount of dialogue both Solid and Naked Snake did. That and which actor is chosen to play the part is not relevant to how much dialogue that character gets, he'd get the same amount of lines regardless of whether he was played by Hayter or Sutherland.
- We do see some of them at Mother Base, so it's likely he recruits them instead.
- Confirmed. He shoots their cage instead.
- The latest trailer seems to suggest they're a recurring event (maybe based on losing troops in MGO or the other multiplayer aspects?), and that your troops and assembled characters will turn up at other assemblies too.
- A morale system has been confirmed. Returning to Mother Base regularly and keeping a good cash flow is apparently a good way to keep it up. Also, Quiet and D.D. will have effects on base morale.
- While we're at it, we should get a Peace Walker one in the ruins of the old Mother Base or somewhere in Costa Rica.
- Alternatively, the developers will Take a Third Option and force Snake to kill in cutscenes (which we've already seen a few times in trailer, and is also something we've almost never seen Solid Snake do in his games) and leave it up to the player whether they wish to join Big Boss on his killing spree.
- Confirmed. You must kill at least one XOF trooper in the hospital sequence and Mercy Kill several of your own men in episode 43.
- maybe the stinger will feature a young Solid Snake being briefed by Big Boss on Operation N132 and is also given the objective to investigate on the cause of Gray Fox's mysterious disappearance. it would be awesome to see this because David's Snake is finally conversing with Kiefer's Snake
- The Mujahadeen have been confirmed as a faction ingame.
- He cloned Big Boss because he surpassed the Boss, and while the Boss' message provided the basis for both Big Boss' and Cipher/The Patriots moving forward, Zero considered Big Boss to be superior and a friend, but fell into the same pitfall as the people who had destroyed the Boss; Although quite why Zero - once he managed to place himself in a position where he essentially ruled the world - never revealed the truth and established that the Boss died to prevent war and that the nuclear detonation was actually the work of a renegade general, is beyond me. But.. Yeah. The Boss clearly offered up the message they used going forward and botched horribly - but Big Boss got cloned because he was the greatest soldier of the 20th Century. There also doesn't seem to be anything particularly special about Paz beyond her being picked as a Cipher agent because of how unassuming she is, and where would they get the material to clone the Boss? Her body was most likely destroyed in the bombing run immediately after her final fight with Snake.
- Addendum: The Paz we meet in MGSV will also have had major stomach surgery (and possibly have a bomb in her abdomen) because, as was established in Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots, the Patriots love repeating the same patterns over and over.
- Confirmed. She undergoes parasite therapy.
- Confirmed but only as an easter egg. Tranq Ocelot on Mother Base to reveal it.
- Nicaragua to meet up with Amanda and/or Chico again.
- Iraq during the Iran/Iraq war to fight through the trenches for some MacGuffin in the ruins of the reactor destroyed in Operation Opera.
- Vietnam and Laos, just so we can have a proper jungle operation.
- South Africa, where the final conflict will occur in the facility in the desert. This facility will later become the fortress known as Outer Heaven.
- Promotional material released by Gamestop have implied that Russia and the United States may be locations.
It's clearly run by Cipher. And in one of the interrogation tapes, he tells the prisoner that he built Omega "to listen to the words that people had to say." Oh dear...
- She's probably got some very early nanomachines and has been censored as an experiment (see the "Lab Rat" theory above).
- Confirmed. She can speak and does in her last mission.
- The appearance of a second Eli at the very end of the E3 2015 trailer could certainly point to this.
- Liquid does state that he and Solid Snake are the last two surviving Sons of Big Boss prior to their battle atop Rex. He never states when the other clones died, and it would make no sense for Solid Snake to be present in this game based on the existing history.
- It's probably Solidus.
- Due to his unique status as a 'perfect clone', Sears was probably already off running his child army already, and would be older than Liquid or Solid.
- OP here. Solidus was created as part of the Les Enfants Terrible project, so he can't be older than the beginning of the project (which was in 1972, I think?) The other Eli could be Solidus, considering that he was in Liberia in the 80's and Big Boss will be visiting Africa in the game. However, in Metal Gear Solid 4, Eva talks a lot about being the mother of Solid Snake and Liquid Snake, but she never brings up Solidus and she keeps implying she only had two children (out of 8 embryos). Either she deliberately didn't mention Solidus being her son to sell the deception that Big Boss wasn't in that black van, or Solidus was born to another woman. If Solidus was born to another woman, then how many women were there in total? How many Snake clones could there still be running around?
- the whole "perfect clone" thing's always bugged me. all three of the surving sons of big boss from the experiment had some level of genetic tampering (liquid and solid's accelerated-aging failsafe, discounting liquids biology-flunk-induced blathering, and Solidus's even faster development). by definition, there's no way they could really count as "perfect" clones. was this a never-fixed plothole, or just a running gag about how little liquid actually understood genetics?
- With MGS, Kojima seemed to be pushing the idea that you can't let yourself be bound by your genetics, which is seemingly the moral of the story with the 'weaker' Solid Snake triumphing over the 'stronger' Liquid. I think it's possible the pair were tampered with to give Liquid the more appealing traits to make a soldier - or at least that's what Dr Clark and Cipher thought they were doing; if they found out what they were doing was not terribly effective then that maybe explains LET's abandonment in '76. Neither of the two were perfect clones; Solidus was designed as such following their creation, and his status as a 'perfect clone' caused his even more advanced ageing - presumably the Patriots wanted him in the presidential chair as soon as possible - and meant that his material and his material alone allowed the activation of JD during Guns of the Patriots. But given Liquid would have likely never been told the full story, it's likely his grasp of genetics is just terrible, too. He is delusional enough, after all, to think he can still hold the world to ransom despite REX being trashed.
- Or V could refer to Big Boss's new codename, which will apparently be Venom Snake.
- in Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots, Eva talks a lot about being Solid and Liquid's mother, but never brings up Solidus. So either she decided to keep quiet about Solidus being her son, or Solidus was born to another woman. If the latter is true, then there could be more surrogate mothers that were part of the LET project, which means there could be more clones running around. This theory could be plausible.
- Jossed. The second Eli is part of a visual shorthand demonstrating how Psycho Mantis' powers are tied to another person's emotions.
- Doubtful, since the project was abandoned in 1976. It's probably more likely to be nanomachines or AI technology.
- The line actually seems to refer to the ST-84 model Metal Gear that Skull Face appears to take possession of (based on the fact concept art has it with a skull daubed across it's 'head'). Metal Gear, based on the revised timeline from Peace Walker, ostensibly started out with Big Boss. He and Kaz commissioned the first Metal Gear; while ST-84 is supposedly Soviet-made, Cipher could easily be behind that, given they've assumed the same world-controlling stance as their predecessors, the Philosophers.
- By the time MGS4 wraps up, Big Boss will be able to smoke his first real cigar in decades. That's why he said "this is good, isn't it?"
- Jossed. One of the cassette tapes indicates that Chico died in the helicopter crash that put BB in a coma.
- Could this be Big Boss' daughter from where he slept with Eva? Could go a long way to explain the relation between the two, as well as serve as a possible source for players to feel ashamed for lusting after her.
- It's pretty obvious who Eli is. What if Boss rejected him not because he was inferior, but because the use of Child Soldiers as the game plot revolves around would be one Moral Event Horizon too many?
- This troper though that BB rejected him was from finding out that he was a LET baby (it was implied that finding out Clark started the project was the straw that broke the camel's back in BB's eyes), and even if he doesn't directly hate him, could easily see him as deeply into the Uncanny Valley, as far as he's concerned. Heck, even if BB doesn't actually hate him. The feeling of discomfort could easily convince Eli that BB hated him.
- One of the cassette tapes you can liberate from a soviet encampment is a 1999 remaster of Rebel Yell. The year the game takes place is 1984.
- Europe's "The Final Countdown" wasn't released until '86, too. I'm sure there are a few other examples, but that just makes the music as much of an Anachronism Stew as the tech available in the game, which is light years ahead of the stuff in the canonically last game.
- The lyrics make sense if you listen closely and think about the story of MGS V.
- Except Volgin can't control lightning, which is what finally kills him because with that much electricty running through his body he's already a giant lightning rod. Before or during every scene of him so far we see the gas-mask child, who could be a young Psycho Mantis (he appears before the elevator opens and all the flames come out, and if you look a the firey unicorn you can see the child is sitting in front of the Volgin-apparition), so it's more probable it's Mantis using his powers to manifest apparations of Snake's past (considering that the real Volgin didn't have glowing eyes or horns and is most certainly dead after getting hit by lighting which set off the ammunition pressed against his chest and being next to the facility when The Boss uses the last Davey Crocket on it pretty much means that only Gray Fox can claim to be killed deader than him).
- Confirmed. it's Volgin's comatose body controlled by a combination of his burning hatred for snake and the psychic child.
- Did she really have the parasite though? What if it was simply an excuse because she could no longer be a part of this? Blood diamonds. Child Soldiers? Cold-Blooded Torture. Rape Is a Special Kind of Evil. Most if not all this, and more, committed by the protagonists. Snake, Miller, they're so driven by revenge none of this matters. Quiet, not so much, like the Eli example above maybe one Moral Event Horizon too many had been crossed and even Boss was not enough to stay.
- He'd at least be in his forties by MGSV. If him being in Afghanistan is the case then the Soviet Army sounds rough.
- This seems fairly likely. Armstech might have been provided with research by DARPA throught Sigint - who would have had at least some hand in the development of Sahelanthrophus before Skull Face seized control of Cipher. REX naturally lacks the bipedal mode that it's predecessor boasts simply because even Huey couldn't get that to work and it seems to have been activated through supernatural/psychic means, but seeing a huge, dinosaur-based mech? I imagine that'd leave an impression on a kid.
Yes, this does mean that Raiden DOES become the main character in MGSV.
- Supporting this is the lyrics game's unofficial theme song, "The Man Who Sold the World", which is about a man having an identity crisis, not about two separate individuals. Big Boss's "Phantom" is simply an alternate personality he developed as part of his Survivor's Guilt over losing the Medic, who was both his best soldier and one of his close friends. Data mining in the PC version has even shown that Ishmael's face under the bandages is the same face model used for the Medic in Ground Zeroes.
- Venom could also be the part of Big Boss trying to escape his role as the inevitable role he had made for himself as the villain at the end of Peace Walker, when he abandoned The Boss's ideals and began to seek a world of endless war. Venom is the noble part of himself that still wanted peace, even if he knew it was never going to happen in his lifetime, while "Big Boss" is the cruel warlord who has come to love everything about war and the battlefield and is the "demon inside of me" that Venom Snake is referring to. Venom begins to believe he's the Medic partly out of Survivor's Guilt, and partly because he has come to see The Medic as a symbol in his mind for sacrifice and protection along with Paz, his "angel of peace" (who he has also experienced elaborate delusions about, as mentioned above). Between the head trauma, his hesitation to fully come to terms with the "existence of endless battle” The Boss warned him about at the end of Snake Eater, his Survivor's Guilt, and people not recognizing him after his nine-year coma, his damaged brain has begun to spin an elaborate fantasy to run away from who he inevitably has to become. When Huey is banished, Ocelot mentions how someone can't run away from themselves forever...and the camera pans over to Snake and stays there. This scene is the last mandatory one you see before Mission 46 "Truth". At the end of Truth, Big Boss's speech is literally him talking to himself (and when he flips the tape over, it's shown to be a data tape, not an audio tape meant to be listened to). It's the scene where Venom Snake finally comes to accept his role and who he is, and when he finally becomes one with "Big Boss" again and ceases to be a mere "phantom" of his true self.

On the first day that Quiet arrives at Mother Base, Kaz emphasizes that if Quiet ever escapes Mother Base, she must be eliminated in order to keep the location of Mother Base secret. Venom Snake agrees, and even states that he'll do it himself. However, with time, it is likely and Kaz would have doutbed that Venom Snake would have killed Quiet if necessary. He has observed that Venom Snake shows signs of irrationality when it comes to Quiet. For example, when Shabani's necklace falls into the chlorine bath and Quiet jumps down to retrieve it for the child soldiers, Venom Snake is willing to dive down after her in a suicidal attempt to retrieve what he thinks might be her body. Furthermore, Kaz generally observes that Venom Snake is unwilling to kill former companions if not absolutely necessary. Venom Snake abstains from killing Huey, for example, even though Huey was responsible for killing several dozen DD mercs through the creation of the mutated vocal cord parasite. Therefore, Kaz would have had to assassinate Quiet without Venom Snake's knowledge if he believed it was necessary.
Quiet poses two serious risks to Mother Base which would have made killing her necessary in Kaz's eyes. Firstly, the Mother Base staff discover that Quiet has the vocal cord parasites within her. While Quiet refuses to speak when interrogated - because her strain of the parasite is English, and also because if she reveals that she has the English strain, she cannot reside on Mother Base - Code Talker is able to communicate with Quiet after her interrogation and discovers that she has the English strain. Even though he chooses to keep this a secret out of respect for her resolve in abandoning the English language, it would not have been difficult for Ocelot and Kaz to conclude that the strain Quiet has is English. The staff is at this point aware that Quiet was sent to kill Snake in Dhekelia, where Venom Snake at least overheard her speaking English. Since she does not speak English anymore, and they know she has vocal cord parasites within her, it is likely that they were able to draw the obvious conclusion. Furthermore, both Kaz and Ocelot are aware of Skull Face's statement that the last English-responsive pair of vocal cord parasites is "close to [Snake]." During the interrogation, Ocelot demonstrates his understanding that Quiet is "in love with the legend," so it is likely that he was able to put two and two together and conclude that Quiet was the final known host to the English strain (instead of coming up with five). Finally, Code Talker's conversation with Quiet took place in the interrogation room, where it could easily have been recorded for later analysis, making the discovery that Quiet's strain of the parasite is English-responsive a simple task.
The second risk Quiet poses to Mother Base is her escape. While up until this point Ocelot has been unwilling to kill Quiet, it is possible that at this point he would be on board, seeing Quiet as a threat to Venom Snake. Although Ocelot is genuinely loyal to Big Boss, he has demonstrated that he is not opposed to exposing Venom Snake to some risk if he believes that doing so will expose or eliminate other risks as a result; he gave Quiet numerous openings to assassinate Venom Snake prior to her escape. The risk Quiet poses would be obvious to Ocelot; she knows the location of Mother Base, and if that ever got out, it would put the entirety of Diamond Dogs in jeopardy. These conditions would be sufficient to convince Kaz and Ocelot to devise a plan to eliminate Quiet without Venom Snake's approval or involvement.
In order to avoid antagonizing Code Talker, who sympathizes with Quiet to some degree, the pair pretends to be unaware of Quiet's possession of the vocal cord parasites. For obvious reasons, the two do not reveal their plan to assassinate Quiet.
The conditions of Mission 45 which result in Quiet deciding to exile herself to a death in isolation, could very well have been orchestrated by Kaz and Ocelot working as a team. The recovery mission for Quiet takes place shortly before an intense sandstorm hits the area surrounding Lamar Khaate Palace, even though the Intel team has the ability to predict natural weather which might have impeded the mission, and the Support Team can even influence the weather somewhat. Kaz, as XO, could have designed the mission such that it would take place before the sandstorm in order to prevent Pequod from landing without directions. The snake which bites Venom Snake could have been planted there as well - and it could easily have been a bite that would not have killed Snake until at least an hour later or that would have only temporarily incapacitated him. Ocelot, as a master of psychological warfare and manipulation, would have been able to perform a Batman Gambit in which Quiet, unwilling to let Venom Snake die due to her feelings for him, would have spoken English in order to direct Pequod to the LZ, thereby activating her vocal cord parasites and condemning her to death. In this way, Ocelot and Kaz guarantee Quiet's death without Venom Snake ever becoming suspicious of their involvement.
- You're saying he managed to plant a snake by the exact rock, in several acres, that Snake and Quiet would just happen to end up hiding behind after an intense battle with tanks.
As for Big Boss' speech at the end of 4, it may have had some metaphors in it if he actually knows the truth. He probably told Snake the more important details of how he left the Patriots and how they ultimately became what they were:
- When he refers to the now-vegetative Zero was "the source of it all," he could be referring to the fact he was still their original creator, but also acknowledging that even he couldn't have known what ended up happening. Which is exactly why he attempted to reconcile with Big Boss to stop whatever was going to happen before (or maybe after) Skull Face prevented this. Something Boss didn't know back when it originally happened.
- Saying he doesn't even realize what he ultimately caused could refer to how being infected by Skull Face's parasite has resulted in him being immobile and unaware of his surroundings, so even though he tried to prevent it, he'll never know exactly how much damage had been done.
- This also goes for how Boss says he doesn't know if Zero had hated or feared him. He could mean how after their fallout, he wasn't sure if Zero ever felt the same way Boss felt about him at one point or another, before he finally attempted to patch things up with Boss. Because of what Skull Face did, he would never get that answer from Zero directly. Perhaps by then, this is when Big Boss took pity and possibly decided that his enemy wasn't exactly Zero, but rather his creations, and must put an end to both of them because he'd at least know that it's what Zero originally wanted to do alongside him. All as an act of mercy considering his horrible fate. Actually knowing all along what could have happened instead, but was now too late to do so.
If there's anything that actually Josses this theory, feel free to explain. There doesn't appear to be any as far as I've looked.