Wild Mass Guessing for Fire Emblem Fates.
- Alternatively, the game will be released as a whole for the New 3DS.
- Jossed at E3 - it looks like the international release will be split as well.
- Jossed, unfortunately. The game will be split into Birthright (for Hoshido) and Conquest (for Nohr), with only a combined special edition being the only version with all 3 versions on on game card.
- Confirmed for the Special Edition! According to its description on Amazon, it "also [features] the Revelation path, all on a single game card, included exclusively in this special edition". Unfortunately, it's currently sold out.
- Though it can also be the music for the final chapter for the game if the loop state isn't a problem.
- Or the game will be called Fire Emblem Kingdoms, since the full Japanese titles include the word Kingdom and the warring kingdoms are the main focus.
- Jossed. It'll be called Fire Emblem Fates
- The amiibo support suggests that this is Jossed or that the amiibo support is non-canon.
- Confirmed; It IS set in a world separate from past games...except that this same world is inhabited by characters from Awakening, namely Odin/Owain, Lazwald/Inigo and Luna/Severa; they are specifically said from Another Dimension and have access to and back.
- It seems the Amiibo are from the Smashverse, and not their respective games.
- Interestingly, the dancer's necklace does resemble Naga's mark, as shown here◊.
- Since Owain, Inigo, and Severa return under different monikers, there's a good chance this is Jossed, as they never existed prior to Awakening.
- Curiously, if Rhajat dies in Classic Mode, she claims to see a desert country, where she says that she and the avatar "will meet again".
- Evidence against this theory: the resemblance between Lucina and the dancer may just be up to sameface syndrome. Also, what's the Ylisse siblings' father doing in Chon'sin?
- Well, the siblings' father is of royalty; he might be there for diplomatic reasons.
- Considering how Aqua is revealed to be a Nohrian princess who was captured by Hoshido, this seems to be incredibly unlikely.
- Jossed, as recent developer interviews place Fire Emblem Fates in a completely different setting.
- Double Jossed with the reveal that Luna, Razwald, and Odin are in fact, Severa, Inigo, and Owain under different names.
- There seem to be two major warring factions, which could represent the conflict of Law Versus Chaos that shows up in many SMT titles.
- Marks is more clean-cut compared to the wild-haired Samurai he fights. Maybe their appearances fit their outlooks on life.
- This game has more of a Japanese flavor to it. All the main SMT titles have you wandering the ruins of Tokyo, so the Japanese themes may be an extension of the Tokyo setting.
- There was a game called Shin Megami Tensei if....
- Ambiguous, but the golem shown in the trailer certainly wouldn't look out of place in the horde of freaks and geeks that is the SMT demon roster.
- Jossed, the first trailer for that game came out at the same time as the second trailer for this one.
- Confirmed; choosing between the two nations results in two very different stories.
- Well, she gets to see her sister kill herself by immolation in the Birthright path and has to fight her father in the Conquest path. Does that count as confirmed?
- Assuming the game is even set in the same universe as Awakening. Just because it has the same art style and graphics engine doesn't necessarily mean they're connected. And even if they are, and Kamui is Robin's son/daughter, who says Robin can't appear in their default appearance?
- The above guess doesn't seem to be saying they have any relation to awakening, it seems they're saying that if Kamui is an avatar, they will have a customizable appearance. To keep it from clashing too much with any family that shows up, at least one parent will be missing so that Kamui can be explained as looking like their missing mom or dad if the player made them look too different from any family members that show up in the plot. (Sort of how Awakening's avatar had a missing mom that we never saw so it explained why they looked nothing like Validar.)
- It's been revealed that Sumeragi, the Hoshidan king, has passed away before the game begins. It remains to be seen whether or not he will appear in flashbacks.
- The man we've seen getting turned into pincushion in the second trailer is likely him. This is likely jossed.
- The "both" part is definitely jossed. The mother is seen in trailers and there's a scene in which the Avatar meets her. We're yet to know whether or not this will be jossed entirely.
- Jossed entirely. You meet Kamui's mother in both paths and Kamui's father in the Third Route. It's not Sumeragi.
- Though on the other hand, you never see exactly what Anankos's human form looks like, because he never takes off his hood. So... somewhat jossed, somewhat confirmed?
- Jossed. You can get the other sides via DLC, and all 3 have a set ending.
- Given that her name seems to be Aqua, I think we can safely say she's not Ninian.
- Jossed, she's a new character named Azura (or Aqua in Japan).
- Confirmed; gameplay footage in the new trailer shows Kamui shapeshifting into a dragon-like form and making usage of a special ability called "dragon's vein."
Well, it would explain why they're so secretive about it and the last we heard about it was last summer.
- Jossed. It has been confirmed that Atlus is the one developing the crossover. Not Intelligent Systems. This game did not impact the development of the crossover whatsoever.
From her prominence in the trailer, she looks to be pretty relevant to the story. The last time we had a plot important character in the role of a dancer was Ninian.
- Jossed. She can't transform into a dragon, though she DOES have dragon ancestry.
- No playable monster units, but the monsters are indeed a Nohrian creation.
- It has been revealed that Azura was kidnapped from Nohr by Hoshido and raised as a member of their royal family, similar to Kamui, while Garon's intention for attacking Hoshido is a Genghis Gambit to help his ailing country. Make of this what you will.
- A Japanese-expy nation is being invaded by a European-expy nation that prides itself on glory-seeking, a trait that's shared and endorsed by Britannia. Not only does the presumed leader of Nohr look like Charles Zi Britannia, but also sounds like he will be voiced by Norio Wakamoto. An occupation might also be featured at some point in the story.
- The player character, Kamui, seems to share a lot of elements of both Lelouch vi Britannia and Suzaku Kururugi; someone who grew up in Nohr, raised by a royal family no less, and yet shares ties with Hoshido similar to how Lelouch use to spend time with Suzaku in Japan long ago when they were kids. Siding with either of the two nations seems to play homage to Lelouch and Suzaku's differing goals; siding with Hoshido to push back Nohr sounds a lot like the Black Knights trying to push Britannia out of Japan, while siding with Nohr will be about reforming the nation from within, like how Suzaku wanted to change Britannia. Kamui would also embody both of Lelouch and Suzaku's strengths, being an excellent leader, strategist, tactician, and a skilled, competent fighter.
- The mysterious dancer might play a similar role as C.C. in regards to Kamui, enlightening them to the bigger picture and likely to assist them from the shadows. It's very prominent since the beginning of the second trailer is asking if you can change the world, much like how Code Geass' trailers asks the same thing, and if the dragon aspect is anything to go by, the player character would indeed have the power to do that.
- One of the maids, Felicia, is on the cover of the Hoshido version.
- Confirmed: There are characters on both sides (Felicia among them) that will side with you no matter what.
- Sadly, confirmed. Marx/Xander and Elise die on the Hoshido route, and Ryoma and Takumi die on the Nohr route.
- Confirmed with the leaked third route. The Greater-Scope Villain is Kamui's biological father, a Hydra dragon, with the reveal that the Hoshido kins are all step siblings to Kamui.
Assuming Nohr is an expansionist empire, and Hoshido is a nation under Nohrian occupation or is under threat of invasion, Hoshido could fit as an "unruly kingdom to be revolutionized" from Nohr's perspective. The plot doesn't branch until Chapter 6, where you'll have to decide on your route in the digital copy. As such, even if you stay with Nohr, you will probably have to spend at least some time in Hoshido to be acquainted with what that path would have in contrast to Nohr. It might be the path split comes in the form of deciding whether to play your role as Nohr's infiltrator, or truly siding with Hoshido.
- ....Resisting urge to object to this objectionable idea. It's pretty clear from all gathered evidence that they mean you'll have to revolutionize Nohr during the war with Hoshido. Otherwise you're telling me that choosing Nohr makes me evil, and I will not be lured by sex appeal to the dark side.
- Specifically, half-manakete, judging by how the male and female Kamuis have actual pointed ears (a manakete trait) that no other human character shown thus far has, and how they apparently have access to a "Dark Prince" class that is capable of using Dragonstones as well as swords. This dual heritage may be used as a parallel for their dual allegiances to both Hoshido and Nohr.
- Close enough, though it's not a "manakete" per se; rather, a different kind of dragon.
- ...Which is a manakete. Confirmed anyways.
- Alternatively, Kamui's the result of mixing Manakete, Taguel, and Human bloodlines, their quadrupedal (and rather different from its Awakening's counterparts) transformation being the result of their diverse ancestry.
- If this is the case, then it'll be revealed by another character related to Kamui, such as their birth mother or a sibling/half-sibling. As in Awakening, this relative will share the Avatar's hair color.
- Confirmed, due to Interspecies Romance between their mother and a draconic spirit. As for the latter part as to why they're raised in Nohr, that's Jossed; they were kidnapped by Garon, so it was never voluntary.
- Not exactly. He's not a bastard, but rather the prince of a third kingdom, though he's also stepsibling to the Hoshido royals as his mother is the former king's second wife.
- So...Kamui is the Fire Emblem version of Homura Akemi?
- This...Is actually a really cool idea! It would be interesting to play the story in this manner. Though I personally don't like the idea of being forced into a screwed up ending twice before a real, good ending.
- Sadly jossed. It would've been interesting to play that way, though.
- She could be another of your blood relatives.
- The two aren't mutually exclusive: She could be a cousin.
- Original poster here, this seems to have been Jossed. It seems she actually is your sister.
- She could be another of your blood relatives.
- If nothing else, it'd help with the question of whether or not he/she can date the main cast.
- Given the reveal that Ryouma, Hinoka, Sakura, and Takumi are all apparently your "blood" siblings, despite the fact that Ryouma is a brunet, Takumi a blond, while both Hinoka and Sakura are red-heads (but with different shades of red), I have to wonder if it's just Kamui who isn't blood related.
- Jossed. Kamui is confirmed to be related by blood to all four of them.
- Turns out they were stepsiblings to Kamui, and Mikoto is their stepmother, so the "jossed" has been jossed, making this WMG confirmed. Confused yet?
- If the Famitsu scans are telling the truth, Kamui might have been abducted to replace Aqua.
- Seems to be the opposite; Hoshido kidnapped Azura after Corrin was taken away. The guess about Garon being less corrupt before the events of the game seems to have been confirmed, however.
This would be difficult to figure out the chronology of, obviously, since the Nohr royal family has a daughter younger than Kamui. But Nohr daddy could have remarried at some point, after taking Kamui.
- From recent information, Garon was confirmed to have taken Kamui before Elise was born. But either way, the recent reveal also shows that Garon was replaced with an impostor and was killed sometime after Elise was born.
- Well, the Nohr royals are all half-siblings anyway, with only Xander being born to the queen. So chronology isn't really an issue here.
- Probably jossed. The kingdoms are at war, and everything this tropette's seen points to them not giving a crap at the moment.
- Some more of my speculation is that she originates from the distorted realm briefly shown in trailer one, which could be an entirely separate area from Hoshido and Nohr. She may be on the side of various monsters shown (such as the stone giant and Nosferatu creature). Perhaps she is the same species as Kamui (manakete) or both have ties to that place, which is why she seems to feel connected to Kamui.
- She's a princess of Nohr who was brought up in Hoshido. She still joins you regardless of which side you take, though. She will crown you the king of the Invisible Kingdom, the third path.
- Confirmed if you marry her on the third route. You rule Valla together.
- Also, she is the true princess of the Invisible Kingdom until she abdicates the throne in the end.
- English version of this scene has Garon say "You're my child now", so the part about kidnapping them is all but confirmed.
- The game would likely take cues from Shin Megami Tensei in not trying to present any path as inherently better than the other, and would instead allow players to decide for themselves which path is more worth it.
- Alternatively, the third path will be concluded with a Bittersweet Ending, better than the two alternatives, but still rife with tragedy. Mixing things with previously mentioned guesses, perhaps the final path will show a time traveling Kamui who not only grew stronger and savvier, but also became much more cynical and ruthless, and convinced that the best way to deal with the crisis at hand is to pull a Leto II, building a military dictatorship to deal with whatever threat the two realms will face down the line while mercilessly slaughtering anyone standing in their way and accepting that they'll be remembered as despicable tyrant.
- The Third Path could have Kamui join the faction the monsters belong to. Considering how he/she is a shapeshifter, he/she might become disillusioned with both kingdoms. Garon kidnapped them while Hoshido might turn out to have a dark secret. Rejecting the two kingdoms, and perhaps the human world, Kamui embraces their draconic heritage and joins the monster faction.
- It should be noted as a possible point against a team-up between Hoshido and Nohr that Fire Emblem Cipher will represent If with three decks. The decks consist of one for Hoshido, one for Nohr, and likely one for the Third Path. Now, if the third path was Hoshido and Nohr coming together, would it really need to have its own deck?
- Jossed. The third path is the Golden Path, as it's the only one where the true enemy is defeated and the only one on which Azura gets to live.
- Additionally, another one of his voice actors will be Yuri Lowenthal. Is Male!Kamui Lelouch, fighting a threat from the outside, or Suzaku, trying to reform a nation from within? The answer: both.
- Pegasus Knight
- Ninja (could be Thief or possibly a new class)
- Griffon Rider
- Ninja and Villager are confirmed. Myrmidons and Pegasus Knights are identified as Samurai and Pegasus Warriors, respectively. Griffon Riders aren't in this game, but the closest analogue, the Kinshi Knight, is a Pegasus Warrior promotion rather than a Wyvern Rider promotion.
- Wyvern Rider
- Dark Mage
- Dread Fighter
- Cavalier, (Armor) Knight, Wyvern Rider, and Dark Mage/Sorcerer are confirmed. Dread Fighter is still a DLC-only class, and the closest analogue to Soldier is Hoshidan.
- Not sure, but there wasn't a rival. But the child of Kamui would still be the opposite gender.
- Confirmed: Marx will be referred as Xander and Leon as Leo in the English release.
- Mime (Perhaps learning a skill about copying other skills for a couple turns)
- Tamer (Bonus damage to and from riders and shapeshifting classes)
- Selkie (Sing to boost stats of surrounding allies for one turn)
- Werewolf (Another shapeshifting class with high speed)
- Well, it appears right about the werewolf!
- Ironically, the other beast unit type, Kitsune, has a unit named "Selkie".
- Jossed, it's still set at 2 people to a Support conversation.
- Not only is this confirmed, but she's even Felicia's older twin sister!
- Jossed, it's a wyvern.
- Actually, it is confirmed. The Revenant Knight class rides an undead wyvern, and similar to the Dark Fliers from Awakening, they use magic along with axes.
- Ryouma is said to be charismatic and welcoming, in sharp contrast to Marx, who is taciturn, but honest. When the time comes for the Avatar to make their choice, however, Ryouma takes the Avatar choosing Nohr far more calmly than Marx handles the Avatar choosing Hoshido. Incidentally, Ryoma insists on taking you back to Hoshido even if you choose Nohr, whereas Marx gives up on that after Chapter 6, likely because of Garon's orders.
- Camilla seems more... generously endowed than Hinoka. She's also much more feminine than the Tomboyish Hinoka. At the same time, however, neither woman is afraid to express themselves to the Avatar. Camilla shows her more ruthless side by saying she's willing to kill whoever gets in the Avatar's way. Meanwhile, Hinoka flat out cries into the Avatar's chest, showing her more tender side.
- Leon and Takumi both seem to be the least affectionate of the royal siblings. We haven't seen Leon interacting with the Avatar yet (though they are apparently close), while Takumi is flat-out stated to be suspicious of the Avatar. Leon is stated to be a genius, while Takumi is described as diligent and hard-working.
- Sakura and Elise both seem to be the most affectionate toward the Avatar, with both of them calling out to them when the time to choose comes. Like Leon and Takumi, the contrast is in their personalities: Sakura is shy, while Elise is peppier.
Luna and Tsukuyomi might be descendants to the aforementioned Awakening characters.
- Jossed. Luna actually is Severa, and this takes place either long before Awakening or after it. It's confusing.
Supporting this is that she mentions Kamui looks like someone she knows (a line the franchise uses to reference previous Avatars), and that Severa's Japanese name, Selena, shares a connection to the moon, or Luna, in Roman mythology.
- Don't forget that she has Cordelia's hair color and judging from her sprite, seems to be a mercenary like Severa. There is also an Inigo lookalike.
- Leaked images from the June 4th Famitsu have revealed that she "hates to lose" and "has to be the best at everything". If she isn't Severa, she's at the very-least a Shana Clone of her.
- Also, lookalikes of Inigo and Owain — named Lazwald and Odin — have been revealed, and are pretty much identical to the first two in personality.
- Confirmed along with Lazwald and Odin being Inigo and Owain under different names.
- And then taken to a meta level by renaming her Selena in the American version. "Under a different name", indeed.
- Confirmed along with Lazwald and Odin being Inigo and Owain under different names.
- Except all evidence points to Rod Knights promoting to Strategists, which have have all but been confirmed to be non-sex locked versions of the Valkyries.
- Plus Marx has been explicitly compared to other early-game paladins throughout the series, implying that he's of the Oifey archetype (solid earlygame paladins who stay good if you use them). You also have a full six chapters with your Nohr family regardless of path, and it's been teased that some Nohr-exclusive characters would leave your party permanently if Hoshido was chosen after that. If anything, you'll have your Nohr siblings significantly earlier.
- Ultimately confirmed. Birthright gives you Sakura in chapter 4, Hinoka in chapter 8, Takumi in chapter 10, and Ryoma at the end of chapter 13 compared to Elise's 7, Camilla's 10, Leo's 14, and Xander's beginning of 16 on Conquest. For even more confirm points, the Hoshidans even join faster than the Nohrians in Revelation; Sakura's 8 and Takumi's 10 to Camilla's 12 and Elise's 14, and Ryoma and Hinoka's 16 to Xander and Leo's 17.
1. Both Kamui's mother and father had dragon blood, with Kamui winning the inheritance lottery. This would be like the Holy Blood from the Judgral games.
2. Kamui is really a half-sibling and their birth father was a dragon.
3. Kamui's looks and shapeshifting were inherited the same way as the Brand from the Tellius games.
The games seem to have a motif of foils and parallels. As such, one could expect Aqua to transform into a dragon considering her heritage. This could occur in the Third Path, where Aqua is coerced or conviced to transform.
- Jossed. Aqua lacks the ability to turn into a dragon herself. And Aqua stays an ally even in the third route.
- Confirmed. You can S-rank your Nohr siblings AND Hoshido siblings.
- That said, it turns out that none of the siblings are related to the Avatar by blood, so at the very least, there's no ACTUAL incest involving the Avatar in either game.
- THAT said, Azura and the Avatar are revealed to be cousins.
- Confirmed. You can S-rank your Nohr siblings AND Hoshido siblings.
Even ignoring that bit, there's still the trailer where it appears that Kamui, in dragon form, is trying to strangle her. However, as we catch a close-up of Aqua's pendant in the fall, their transformation is shattering, turning Kamui back into a human.
Couple of things Aqua could be up to:
1. She's bitter as hell about her situation and hates both sides, leading to her siding with Kamui in a twisted perception of "Us against the world", where she tries to insist on Kamui striking them all down in vengeance for their messed up lives.
2. Just like Kamui is unique in their abilities and was possibly bred for them, she was bred for hers. Only, she was designed to deal with Kamui's dangerous abilites, and she's now carrying out her purpose by sticking as close to them as possible and waiting for a moment of weakness to occur.
3. She's not actually who she claims to be. She only claims so to gain access to Hoshido's inner workings through the guise of a "prisoner". When she learns about Kamui, she switches tracks, because what better way to get at the royals than by playing the part of a bargaining chip. When she actually meets Kamui and observes their standing with both royal familes, she figures that the best side to be on is the special little child both royal families would do anything for. Whether she's got her own motives or is acting as an agent of Garon is up for debate, though.
Personally, I'm liking the first option best.
- Takumi's dialogue about not trusting Kamui or Aqua, even though he's known her for years, could imply that the Hoshidans never treated her as family, just a hostage. In that case, she'd have plenty of reasons to go with Kamui to Nohr...though it does make the question of why she'd go back to Hoshido even more suspicious. I'm not certain she's the true antagonist, but she's definitely hiding something.
- Aqua's singing powers are even mentioned to be great and mysterious. And since Kamui was strangling her underwater, maybe Kamui doesn't even trust her themself, and is trying to actually kill you, but then somehow Aqua convinces Kamui to apologize to her, (how they get out of the water, it's impossible to say for sure) she weasels her way out of danger. I feel like Aqua is a parasite whom likes to use those close to her for her own purposes. We can't be too far off. She must be hiding at least ONE thing.
- The new introduction trailer has her telling Kamui to "come back to your senses" right after getting pinned to the ground by dragon!Kamui, implying that she's being strangled not for being an antagonist, but because Kamui can't control the dragon form just yet.
- Jossed as of third route leaks. Aqua stays an ally.
- It turns out that her 'dark secret' was that she once had a relationship with Anankos, with the resulting child being the Avatar. Funnily enough, her death was caused by the reanimated corpse of her husband.
- You were so close... It was him AND Rinka that took you to Hoshido. But it wasn't at the time he was behind Kamui.
- Confirmed. Your Nohr family never said anything about your Hoshidan origins.
We know that Hoshido values peace, but how far will its rulers go to maintain that peace? It's already given that Aqua is more or less their own kidnapped enemy child like Kamui. Maybe Hoshido is actually a pretty totalitarian regime; while Nohr is poor and suffering, Garon grants his people many rights and freedoms. Conversely, Hoshido's economy, weather, and quality of life may be solid, but its people don't dare to cause a ruckus or sully the queen's good name, lest they face the risk of joining their king...
- That's still way too black and white for a plot that's supposed to be more complex, to lump either character into Pure Good or Pure Evil. My guess is Nohr was once benevolent but let power go to its head while Hoshido committed a sin in the past and is now The Atoner.
- Somewhat jossed. Because Garon is apparently dead and the one we see is a fake.
- Confirmed. At least two will die no matter what you do to prevent their death. Marx and Elise if you chose Hoshido and Ryouma and Takumi if you chose Nohr.
- No, it's Jossed. Ryoma and Xander remain the heirs to the throne in their respective routes, with male Corrin completely unable to take the throne and female Corrin only doing so if she marries them. Corrin being the leader of the forces doesn't necessarily mean he/she has to be the ruler; in fact, it's quite common for FE protagonists (though other than Ike, who was never a noble to begin with, all previous protagonists of this ilk eventually succeed to the throne—Hector, Ephraim (who barely even counts since his father dies right as the game begins, but it's implied that he would've rather been Renais's head general and left the succession to Eirika), and Chrom, with Sigurd only failing to qualify because he barely outlives his father.)
- E3 trailer features a scene where transformed Kamui attacks Aqua, and she asks him to kill her "as yourself", so it's quite possible.
- Partially confirmed: first time the transformation occurs, Kamui does lose their senses, and spends the entire map in that form. However, Aqua doesn't get attacked until she confronts dragon!Kamui and tries to bring them back to their senses.
- This seems unlikely. Based on what we've seen from the leaks, Sumeragi was a pretty cool guy who accepted and loved you as his own child simply because you were the child of the woman he loved.
- Jossed. He was a normal, loving guy.
- Add to the fact of the state of Nohr in the trailers, Nohr looks miserable from the so-called "glory-seeking" wars they are doing and has likely drafted hundreds of people from all over their country to fuel their war machine, to the point no one was growing food and widespread famine and poverty started to happen across the kingdom, and prince Marx is aware of the possible collapse of the kingdom and is planning an Coup d'état with his sibling with Kamui as their figure head.
- Confirmed, sort of. The older children recognized that Garon had grown crueler, though it took Kamui and Aqua to show them that Garon's actually been dead all along.
- This also includes the more brutal difficulty, unless you're playing Birthright.
- Jossed. She's Putona Bus after chapter six. That said, we do find out just who she is in the Hidden Truth DLC.
- For extra points, the Emblem's power might be controlled only by Aqua's song, since I don't believe they would put so much emphasis on her singing if this wasn't a case.
- Apparently jossed. It was Kamui's Yato sword.
- Jossed. Kamui is the step child of the Hoshido royal family and Mikoto is the step mother. The Nohr family stays an adopted family.
- The jossed is jossed, actually. The Avatar is blood-related to both families (Hydra is their ancestor and Hydra is the Avatar's father) but it is so distant, it doesn't even matter. Mikoto is the Avatar's mother, through.
- Actually, Hydra/Anankos is not the ancestor of the Nohr and Hoshido families. The Dawn and Dusk Dragon, respectively, are their ancestors. Thus, the jossed jossed is jossed, making it the WGM false anyways. Confused?
- Jossed. Mikoto and Garon, in fact, cannot be recruited, as Mikoto dies early on, setting the game's main choice in action and Garon is a villain.
- In addition, Iago's influence is what leads Garon to wish to kill the Avatar. He may not have been the best father already, but he probably didn't intend to have them killed until recently.
- Partly jossed with the third route.
- Jossed. The real Garon was Dead All Along (killed shortly after Elise's birth) and was replaced with a slime monster controlled by Anankos.
- Jossed. Her name is Flora and she's Felicia's sister. She's Conquest locked.
- Jossed the jossed. She also joins on Revelation
- Jossed. Several leaks revealed that the Hoshidan queen had once bonded with a Hydra dragon, which was why Kamui was able to transform into one themself. Also, Mikoto marries Sumeragi when Sumeragi's first wife had died (Possibly after Sakura's born but that's another thing for now.)
- Why not? We have two Arans (Aran in Radiant Dawn, Arran in Shadow Dragon).
- Besides, "Arthur" is already localized; his name in Japanese is "Harold."
- Jossed and confirmed. Jossed because Azura dies at the end of both Birthright and Conquest, confirmed because she lives in the third route, where she serves as your advisor when you become king/queen of Touma or the queen if you marry her.
- Jossed, because the Garon you face at the end of the Hoshido route isn't even the real Garon. He's a servant of Anankos masquerading as Nohr's king.
- Partly confirmed. While you get all the allies in both side, there are still permanent and unavoidable deaths. But not with your sibling allies.
- Jossed, it's been confirmed that Rena Strober will be voicing Azura instead.
- This is supported by how, in Azura's confession to Male!Corrin on the third route, she tells him that she somehow feels as though she's loved him a long time. That could seen as suggesting Love at First Sight...or it could be seen as suggesting they fell in love on the other two routes, and she very vaguely remembers that.
- Additionally, Male!Corrin S-supporting Azura on all three routes makes sense, since it gives a him an extra layer of motivation — to save the woman he loves. He fails the first two times, but succeeds the third.
- So Corrin is Homura Akemi?
- The Big Bad of the third route is essentially a god like Naga, who also had control over time. Given that he foresaw his own descent into madness and evil, it's possible he set up something like a time loop in advance to help Corrin defeat his future, evil self.
- It wold explain Corrin's reluctance to kill on Conquest if they went through Birthright first—those are the people they previously fought with, grew to knew and became friends with. Of course they'd want to keep them alive if at all possible, you don't stop caring for someone just because you're on opposite sides.
- If this is true, it's supported by the fact that it seems the developers wanted players to go Birthright-Conquest-Revelation when playing, as Birthright was advertised as the "easier" path, and Revelation outright tells you to do the other paths first when starting it up. This would add an extra story layer in-universe to help Corrin mirror the players.
- Additionally it could explain why Kaze can live or die depending on his support rank with the Avatar on Birthright.
- There might be some. For instance, it's been confirmed that Brianna Knickerbocker is voicing both Sakura from Hoshido and Charlotte from Nohr.
- There was plenty of that in both versions of Awakening and the Japanese version of Fates. Why wouldn't it be in the dub?
- Confirmed on Matthew Mercer voicing Ryoma, though jossed for Xander. Otherwise, the rest of the original guess is correct; there seems to be even more cases of shared VAs this time around.
- Most likely confirmed. Fates is getting Awakening DLC, and after the battle, Chrom mentions he's heard of Hoshido and Nohr in legends.
(Not sure about Xander)
Camilla seems like Aversa, but also seems a bit like Vaida, in that both are rather buxom and infamously powerful wyvern riders (not the class, just the fact that they ride wyverns).
Leo comes across as similar to Eyrios, for some reason. Both are mounted mages who don't seem like they are easy to get along with (though you really can't tell with Eyrios since there aren't any supports).
Elise seems like Nino. Both are magic users, younger sisters to powerful bosses, and are very sweet girls.
- Xander is definitely a Camus expy. And Camus was recruitable as Sirius in Mystery of the Emblem, so he fits the pattern.
- Corrin's story is also very similar to Altena. Both were royal children from a fertile country that was opposed by another, less fertile country (Leonster and Hoshido, Thracia and Nohr). Both were kidnapped when the prince/king was out of the country (Quan in Yeid, Sumeragi in Cheve), and the prince/king was killed by the king of the opposing country (Travant, Garon). The murdering king adopted the child and raised them alongside an older brother (Aereone, Xander). When the royal child grew up, they met their siblings (Leif, the Hoshido siblings), who implored them to join them in their cause, even if it meant going against their adopted family. Altena also the option to talk to either a subordinate of her adopted father (Hannibal) or a subordinate of her biological father (Finn), much like how characters loyal to their country are route-exclusive in Fates. Altena's choice somewhat reflects the Revelation route: she runs off instead of joining either, demands answers from her adopted father, and ultimately joins her biological brother. Finally, she persuades her adopted brother to join her against the true enemy in the end.
- Lucina isn't a Mysterious Waif. She's mysterious until the reveal, but she's far from a waif. Also, the male Avatar in Awakening doesn't have an Implied Love Interest the way Chrom does with a female Avatar or Sumia. The only major impact Lucina x Male Avatar has on the plot is that it changes the dialogue in Lucina's Judgment.
- She's a waif in that she's estranged and can't return to her home (timeline), and shares Azura's role in filling in plot details. And she kind of is Male Avatar's Implied Love Interest, given that she gets Ship Tease outside of support convos and their relationship impacts the plot, even if just in that one scene.
- When did male Robin and Lucina get any Ship Tease? 1 scene really can't be said to 'impact the plot'. And I really don't think Lucina could qualify as a Mysterious Waif mostly since she doesn't join you until there's no mystery left.
- Ship Tease can be found here. "Impact" was probably the wrong word, but a plot scene does change depending on their relationship, which in Fire Emblem is usually a sign that the two characters are Implied Love Interests—look at Eliwood and Ninian, for instance. I'll concede that most of the mystery is gone by the time Lucina joins, but she still has the other qualities a Mysterious Waif needs.
- You forgot that both are the only characters of their gender (other than a same-gendered Avatar) to have a fixed child.
- Somewhat jossed. In the final part of Invisible History DLC, Anankos heart admits to loving her, Corrin, and Lilith, apologizing to them in his final moments and trying to stop his insane half. He also asks Mikoto not to tell Corrin their origins.
- Confirmed. They're all coming back for this game.
- Jossed; it's Elizabeth Daily.
- Jossed; Brianna Knickerbocker voices Sakura.
- Possibly confirmed? Apart from the fact that she was just as broken by Nohr's Decadent Court as the other Nohr kids were, Azura comments to Corrin that if she was in their situation, she would most likely pick Hoshido. (Really, the only reason she ends up with Corrin in Conquest is because she got captured.) This is despite knowing that she was actually kidnapped. So even if she did grow to like them more eventually, Azura was probably at least hoping that that's what would happen.
- This could be true in Birthright as well, since Azura's final scene there plays out similarly.
- Okay, for the first and last time: that's not what the support was about at all. There was no Cure Your Gays involved in the original support, and in the original Japanese version Soleil identifies herself as bisexual (see: her support with Forrest). They won't need an If It's You, It's Okay because she's already attracted to guys.
The game makes it very clear while they're trustworthy, a bit naïve, and maybe a little innocent, Corrin isnt stupid. They were able to deduce that Gunter was the one who attacked them and killed Scarlet. And they didnt trust Anthony but were hoping hed make the right choice in the end. Given that both Corrin and Anankos have a clear water motif, and the fact that Anankos is one of three NPC dragons featured in the game, I find it a little difficult to believe that Corrin wouldnt put two and two together after the fights with Mikoto and Sumeragi and realize that their father is the same dragon theyre trying to kill.
- It doesn't help that both Mikoto and Anankos all but outright say "he's your father."
- They are still sisters, but the game never mentions if they're actual sisters, or just adopted/step-sisters. So partially confirmed, partially Jossed?
- While it's not said one way or the other whether or not they're adopted/step-sisters, it would explain why the two of them look next to nothing alike, and why Mikoto looks so Hoshidan. It's hard to say whether this is confirmed/jossed, but it would make sense.
- The problem is, Mikoto spent over a decade taking care of Azura and most likely never told her their relationship while she was in Hoshido because it might have invoked the curse. One has to assume Mikoto only really brought up her relationship with Arete so someone could tell it to Azura later. It seems like if they were anything but biological sisters, Mikoto would have said something. And this game clearly runs on anime-genetics, like Takumi coming out with silver hair despite Hinoka's red hair and Sakura's pink hair, and his brother and father's dark hair. And, while the Avatar does bear a resemblance to Mikoto, they have an array of hair colors that neither parent has. And in Awakening, Robin looks nothing like their father, so genetics probably don't mean all that much.
- The fact that she even held Azura prisoner at all kind of lends some support to this idea. Sure, Corrin was kidnapped first, but considering how much Hoshido is painted up as peaceful and all-loving, that still sounds a bit contradictory. It's quite possible that Mikoto simply justified the kidnapping with the fact that Azura is her niece to feel better about it.
On the flipside theres Flora. Her issues are always present in her supports, from admitting jealousy towards Felicia, to wishing for the Female Avatars wish to come true while not knowing they wished for her happiness. When she levels up shell ask point-blank, whos stronger, me or Felicia. Her crush on Jakob could be cut out and youd miss nothing, compared to Cordelia, where you cut hers out and youre left with a lot to rewrite. For Flora, her crush seems like its there just to add more to the tragedy of her situation. Yes, as the Spooky Scramble DLC shows theres still a chance for flubs, but even then Flora only has one S-support and is over all handled so much better than Cordelia. Its really hard not to see Flora as the character Cordelia should have been, a girl with her own issues who needs a good support system. You could say Caeldori, the more obvious Expy, does something similar, but it's way more noticeable with Flora.
- Also, while it's probably just a fun coincidence, Flora and Cordelia do share an English voice actress. It's likely at least a reference to Cordelia, and possibly an emphasis on the "correction" theory?
He even tells her that he gets a little embarrassed about singing in front of others, but he doesn't mind doing it for the Female Avatar because she likes it when he sings. And theres the added bonus of Shigure being among the second gen characters to have a parental conversation with Male Kana in the Hoshido Bonds DLC and in Revelation their marriage means Azuras bloodline is still on Vallas throne. Really makes one wonder if they're supposed to be the Male Avatar/Lucina to Azura and M!Corrin's Female Avatar/Chrom.
- Shigure is the Female Avatar's nephew, so it's highly doubtful this is the case. Plus, at least in Awakening Lucina and the Male Avatar had the "Lucina's Judgment" scene where she stops herself before she kills her husband. Shigure has nothing like that with the female Avatar, or any significant Ship Tease with them outside the supports.
- Um...nephew? What? They're cousins by default. And if Azura and the Male Avatar marry the game's script doesn't change the way it does for Chrom/Female Avatar in the aforementioned "Lucina's Judgment," the reunion scene, the scene at the end of Chapter 11, and the reveal they had a baby during the timeskip. The closest thing Fates gets is a new support and confession per game, and given the situation they both grew up in, it's kind of necessary.
- To be fair, no pairings change the plot's script in Fates (also, the only thing to change for Chrom/Female Avatar specifically is Lucina's Judgment; the other scenes have variants for all his potential wives). Given that the Avatar doesn't have any changed supports or confessions with the other neutrals despite them being available on all three routes as well, the devs were capable of coming up with one-size-fits-all-routes supports. So the additional Male Avatar/Azura supports and confessions actually weren't necessary and were something the devs included for no reason other than favoring Azura.
- The actual answer is probably just that the writers didn't want to have to add extra dialogue for Chapter 15 or Midori's Paralogue depending on whether you do it before or after Kaze's potential death. Besides, it's also completely possible to not have Kaze S-Ranked with someone until well after Chapter 15, anyway.
- It helps that Anankos continues to call Shigure "Ryuurei/Cadros" even after Shigure corrects him, and then Shigure just goes with it after that.
- Well, she did apparently serve Mikoto directly. Plus, as a Diviner, it's possible that Orochi could have used her skills to predict a good time to kidnap Azura, good paths to take, etc. That would be a good way to involve her while leaving most of the "actual" work to Shura. The only problem I can think of with this is that it would likely put Orochi's age at a fair amount over the rest of the cast's, and she doesn't seem that old. (Though admittedly, her unspecified age could also be argued in favor of this.)
- Actually, she used to babysit Takumi, apparently (according to their supports). So that patches up the only real issue with this guess, and makes it even more plausible.
- He does seem pretty casual about the fact that he's dying. Also, while Izana does actually get Takumi to listen, it still kinda comes out of nowhere compared to some of the other deaths in this game. It's hard to say one way or the other, but it would be entirely in-character for Izana.
- Another thought as to how this happened. In Revelation, he asks a much bigger favor from the gods than he did in Birthright. The price for his message wasn't his life, but actually it was for him to not interfere with the Avatar's journey. He is able to join Corrin in Birthright and Conquest because he never made such a divination, ergo he wouldn't be bound by a non-interference agreement like he was in Revelation. The faked death is, of course, his own way of trying to get around having to explain this to the Avatar, and to get Takumi to join them. After all, him dying without having an apparent heir does leave a lot of Fridge Horror into things. (Izumo is a duchy run by a title inherited by blood - for obvious reasons.)
- Possibly supporting this is the fact that the divination was already fairly vague (only telling them to "go find a dragon" or something along those lines, iirc). That was probably all Izana was allowed to tell them as is, and if he joined them, then Corrin's group would probably expect more details... which, of course, he wouldn't be able to give them.
- Or, as an alternative reason for why he would, is that Takumi was being pretty stubborn about not helping the Avatar. Izana, knowing he did need to help the Avatar or the world would be doomed, decided that guilt-tripping him by pretending it was his dying request was the best way to get him to go along.
- Additionally on this - The Avatar is on good terms with Fuga on all three routes, but Fuga stays behind to help lead the Wind Tribe. Why the change of heart in Revelation compared to Conquest or Birthright? Easy - the one thing that changes that is none other than Izana - Fuga joins in Izana's place because Izana told him to - that's his way of helping. Izana himself could not help, but ain't no rule saying he can't go ask the Wind Tribe's chief, who he probably knows personally, to go help in his place. It sounds in-character for him to do this, too.
- Alternatively, Zola perhaps thought that the best course of action would be to bring Corrin back to Nohr and that's why he was still working as The Mole for Nohr. It's also why he begged Garon to spare Corrin's life.
- On the other hand, some of Selena, Laslow, and Odin's dialogue proves that the scramble pack from Awakening is canon. So the fact that Flora does at least try with Jakob kinda debunks the "not letting it develop" idea. Though, her flubbing the convo and not saying much about it in the main game could be a sign of self-deprecation.
- Additionally, this could possibly explain why there are some similarities between Kjelle and Effie (both of them being female knights obsessed with strength and training).
- It helps that there's already some grounds in canon for this idea. Even if Azura marries one of the Nohrian men, Shigure has a Hoshidan name as well as the Hoshidan Sky Knight class as his default. He's already somewhat of a blend between the two nations, so why not go all the way with it?
- That's kind of giving the genius who declared he planned on killing the Avatar in front of Nohr siblings, and admitted to indirectly causing Lilith's death, a little too much credit, don't you think? Iago's even a little put off by Garon's order to make the Avatar suffer as much as possible. Seems a bit out of character for him if he was a servant of Anankos. Given that the Avatar's the only one who can kill Anankos it seems like Iago would be on board with that order without hesitation.
- It could be that Anankos was the one laying out the plans and Iago was just the muscle to carry them out. Additionally, Anankos was the one who wanted the Avatar to suffer as much as possible; Iago might have been surprised not by the cruelty of it, but that Anankos wasn't just killing his only threat and getting it over with.
- The only action was one slash from Siegfried. There is no way one sword slice can kill her, and there is no Clothing Damage or wound in her body. Also, she did not express a desire to die, unlike the other siblings who deliberately wanted to die.
- Gameplay and Story Segregation is not something Nintendo does. Assuming the party's strength, Elise would be just as strong as all the other characters. As such, one attack cannot kill her.
- Her death is not explicitly confirmed. The only characters who say she died only said it in the heat of the moment, or weren't there to see it. Not to mention, since Lilith brought back the Avatar to the living, we can assume Lilith can do the same for Elise, too. There's also no funeral or any other statements of her mortality, further proving she could survive.
- Except, you know when she appears alongside the rest of the deceased characters on the final chapter to provide advice and explicitly tells the Avatar to say goodbye to Leo and Camilla in her place. Considering the Avatar was right at her side, the only reason that Elise appears there is that the Avatar confirmed that yes, she had died after the duel with Xander.
- Also, Lilith is the last one who Corrin talks to, but she doesn't quite "bring them back from the dead." They were near-death, not actually dead, and she was just the last one they talked to. So, I don't think she'd really be able to resurrect Elise.
- Not only are there plenty of Gameplay and Story Segregation examples. (Elise and/or Sakura are always the one(s) Corrin calls for immediate healing even if theyre not a healing class for starters.) But by the logic of no blood = not dead, and taking the lack of Clothing Damage into consideration, then Elise wasnt even hurt and everyone was just being pointlessly dramatic (of course theres also the fact that Elise was in Xanders arms and likely would have been able to tell if and when she stopped breathing). No blood = not dead is not a good mindset to have, its really not that unusual for video games to have a lack of blood regardless of how logical it is. And the fact that Elise ran right in front of Xanders sword clearly says she was prepared to die. Not having a desire to die does not mean you get a free pass. It does set you up for another trope though.
- Also, if you look closely at her map sprite at the end of Chapter 25, Elise is using her Troubadour map sprite (brown horse) instead of her Strategist map sprite (white horse), and it wouldn't be unthinkable for Xander and co. to keep Elise off the front lines to avoid losing another sibling. Giving her the very generous assumption of Lv. 20, she would have an average of 23.5 HP and 6.25 Defense. On Normal difficulty, Xander has 18 Strength, 11 might from Siegfried, 2 might from Chivalry, 3 might from Elbow Room, and 2 might from his sword rank, for a total 36 might. That is enough to one-shot Elise, and that's before you take into account that by the time we see Xander's stats, he has completely lost the will to live.
- Not to mention that Elise pretty much drops out of the war entirely in Birthright, so it really wouldn't be unreasonable to assume that she's nowhere near that level in the first place. Xander would be able to kill her even more easily with that in mind.
- Conquest: Candace is encountered in Hoshido exploring and goes along with the avatar. Nichol still works for Nohr and is assigned to accompany the Avatar at some point (maybe with Cheve). However, Hans's cruelty surprises even Nichol, and he would have sided with the Avatar because even though he is a jaded, sees that the Avatar has some hope.
- Birthright: Candace is encountered earlier, maybe around Wolfskin mountain where she reveals she was looking for stuff around there. Nichol is also encountered later as a boss, who doesn't care what the avatar does to him, and is surprised when the avatar spares him.
- Revelation: Nichol is fought with Hans and Iago, but either surrenders or can be talked to by a Nohrian royal. Candace also is found wandering around and of course, since the avatar needs allies, is more than willing to take some "legendary explorer" they've never heard of.
As an alternative for Nichol, as a reverse Shura:
- In Conquest, after a skirmish he meets with the main group and Xander recognises him as his former comrade or even maybe one of the two retainers he mentions they died on the backstory holding some enemies; and Nichol immediately joins the party, in a similar way Shura joins after meeting Ryoma and revealing to have been a former Hoshidan ally.
- In Birthright he appears as a boss on a reworked Dragonfall Fort chapter, and you get to choose to spare him or eliminate him, with the rest of the royals split as to whether or not trust him after what happens with Zola.
- In Revelation, he is one enemy on Chapter 17 who must be talked to with the Avatar or Xander to get him join your party.
- If the two brothers (Takumi and Ryoma) have the two Hoshidan Divine Weapons who's to say Sumeragi and his brother/sister didn't wield Rajinto and Fujin Yumi respectively?
- If the Fujin Yumi inheritance was between Aunt/Uncle and Niece/Nephew, it'll insure the Royal family will have one who wields the Rajinto and another Fujin Yumi for generations.
- It's never stated in Takumi/Kiragi's supports that Kiragi is the one to inherit the Yumi, and Kiragi only inherited the Yumi in Heirs of Fate because Ryoma died with only one child.
- Makes sense anyway, considering how in Hidden Truths it's stated that the First Blood Anankos gives them will run out in "a few years," yet they don't look much different than they did in Awakening.
- Except Azura states that her mother was killed by the curse while trying to warn people about Valla. The vagueness of the curse isn't proof of its nonexistence; there have been other similar curses in media (such as the curse on Voldemort's name in Harry Potter) that had unclear limitations, but had very real consequences nonetheless.
- This is why I say that there is no "physical" evidence of the curse. The one and only example of the curse's apparent effects described in the game is delivered via hearsay. Azura says in Chapter 6 of Revelation that her mother "lost her life protecting Nohr," but Azura was a child at the time, and it's never stated that Azura was there to watch it happen. It could very well be that Azura simply woke up one morning and realized her mother was no longer around, and when she heard about the curse, she assumed the connection. After all, Arete is one of the people Anankos would be keeping a lot of tabs on, so, if she tried to reveal anything, Anankos would definitely go after her, and quickly. It could even be that Arete deliberately baited Anankos by announcing a plan to tell the Nohrians so that Anankos would ignore Mikoto and let her escape safely.
- There's no physical evidence, but in the Hidden Truths DLC, Anankos tells Severa, Owain and Inigo that he can't say anything about his home until they set foot into Valla. If he'd truly made the curse up, he could just tell them about Valla right then and there since he knows it's not real. Also, this is perhaps a bit off-topic, but Arete couldn't bait Anankos with a plan to tell Nohr since she and Mikoto escaped at the same time.
- Except Azura states that her mother was killed by the curse while trying to warn people about Valla. The vagueness of the curse isn't proof of its nonexistence; there have been other similar curses in media (such as the curse on Voldemort's name in Harry Potter) that had unclear limitations, but had very real consequences nonetheless.
He's also clearly a Time Lord, a Spark, a Stand User, Force-sensitive, and the heir to the Monado.
- Small nitpick: their hair colors are actually slightly different, which can be seen a bit more easily on male Kanas fathered by them.
Conquest: The closest to history. What happened was that Corrin was indeed the child of Sumeragi and Mikoto (a noblewoman from one of Hoshido's regions Sumeragi took for a wife) who was abducted by Garon after a Nohrian ambush aided the invasion of Hoshido and helped to depose Garon. The portayal of Corrin we see in Conquest is an attempted rehabilitation of his reputation as a shameless toady. Garon was just a brutal yet over-the-hill king, not a pawn for a genocidal dragon god. Xander was a willing conqueror who spearheaded a coup against his father once he showed how unfit to rule he was. Camilla was promiscuous and doted on her younger siblings, but she was never incestuous with claims otherwise being from slander.
Birthright: An alternate history where Corrin sides with Hoshido (similar to alternate histories in our world like where the Nazis or Confederates won their wars). The story was written by a Hoshido sympathizer/apologist hence the lopsided Black and White conflict.
Revelation: A fantasy using a conspiracy theory akin to the Illuminati. In the "actual" Fates World, Anankos is a legendary figure who has been claimed as a patriarch by more than one royal house (whether he ever lived or not is open to debate) while Valla is a tall tale land like Atlantis. The Vallite Curse is merely an urban legend.
Either: The Outrealm shenanigans like the Awakening Trio (who were never there, instead there were 3 totally unconnected retainers forgotten by history) are just the story tellers playing around. The 2nd Gen ranges from those who were actual children of 1st Gen characters (like Arthur's son, considering he does look old enough to have a son that age) to relatives being listed as offspring out of confusion or ease of storytelling (like Shiro, who was just a cousin instead of Ryoma's son) to just imaginary (Azura's son Shigure, who was claimed later on his life to be so despite her obviously being too young to have a child his age).
So, when Corrin aids Nohr in its conquest of Hoshido he's doing it out of conviction that it's best option to end the war now instead of letting it draw on. Not out of some ridiculous scheme to get Garon to sit on a chair.
- Actually this could explain why Azura dives into cutscene battles that would be a bad idea in proper gameplay...
- It would also kinda explain why she thought that having Corrin actively fight both countries would be a good idea in Chapter 6 when Revelation is chosen.
- Alternately, they're pronouncing/hearing it wrong the whole time, since "tsu" and "su" would sound slightly different, but someone who's not listening closely could easily miss it. And Tsubaki just doesn't correct them because he thinks he has to be polite and tries carefully not to say something that would call out their mistake.
Rather, Arthur is a Job-like figure. The gods constantly pour misfortune on him and place obstacles in his path to mould him into the ultimate hero.
How else do two units who can't possibly belong together end their S supports on arbitrarily happy notes.