During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
You have Matilda: the Musical listed twice.
Evil Batman has catwoman potholed oddly in selina kyle
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."Also I meant to ask this about Palpatine: why is it some of his entries have his name linked to his character page and others to random tropes?
Huh, interesting.
Edited by 43110 on Apr 14th 2019 at 5:50:14 AM
Actually that charcater page is only for Canon Palpatine in that's only for his Canon appearnces .
His legend stuff like dark empire is troped under Star Wars Theatrical Legends
Edited by miraculous on Apr 14th 2019 at 2:41:41 AM
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."Okay, with Matilda, that's my bad. I had the wiki word changed to Matilda the Musical, as that's the title...not thinking it would affect the book title too So, um, let me change that back
As for Palpatine, only the canon works should link to his name. And since Darth Plagueis isn't canon, I'm nit sure the quote should call him Sheev.
Honestly, besides de-potholing, the entire Star Wars page is gonna need a LOT of work.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM DraftsTop Dollar is listed twice
Hope your prepared for an unforgettable luncheonTHAT'S deliberate: Once for the franchise page, once for the film page (same thing with Malady: Once for comics, once for DC Lit, as it's both a comic AND novel).
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM DraftsWhile the name wasn't introduced until earlier this decade, "Sheev" was the name Lucas picked out for Palps - he just never released that name for whatever reason. As such, it can be kept in his Darth Plagueis entry without my being upset, but that's my opinion.
If that's the case, I'm fine with keeping it.
Wait, so Sheev was Lucas's idea all along, not just something Luceno created?
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM DraftsVlaew's rewrite goes next week.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM DraftsSo I've been checking out Fear Itself, a horror anthology series which can be summed up as a successor of Masters of Horror, another horror series of the same concept. In fact they were created by the same person, and I first found this series after checking out MOS and saw it as a substitute third season. Series only lasted thirteen episodes, some of which unaired.
One particular episode Something With Bite is a werewolf murder story of a different sort. Wilbur Orwell is a family man and expert veterinarian who lives in a city terrorized by what the media dubs the Beast Killer. As fate would have it, Wilbur is bitten by a dying werewolf, and as he goes through the werewolf protagonist motions, he meets the werewolf parents who explain to him what's happening and that no werewolf they know is responsible (apparently you wouldn't do anything as a werewolf that you would do as a human). However someone wants the werewolves attention.
Who is the Beast Killer ? What does he do ?
Real name Forest J. Cadwell, the Beast Killer is a weak seeming man and a cowardly werewolf fanatic, apparently worshiping Fenrir. At the time of the episode, Cadwell goes around the city killing numerous people in ways that are mistaken for animal attacks, leading the audience on that a werewolf he behind the killings. He goes about this in a makeshift werewolf costume, complete with metallic claws. He has been doing this in hopes of getting the attention of a werewolf to bite him. As it so happens, Wilbur is bitten and goes to the werewolf family for help and advice, believing himself of them to be the killers, before eventually realizing that's not the case. As this is happening, we see a few on the murders onscreen and that includes an employee Wilbur fires. The police come to the conclusion that it isn't a mere animal behind the attacks and go to Wilbur for questioning.
Eventually Wilbur's friend and receptionist, Kayla, is mauled by the Beast Killer in a park before the killer is scared off by police. Kayla survives but is put in intensive care. Wilbur gets pissed and with his heightened werewolf senses, tracks the Beast Killer's scent to his apartment, while transforming. Cadwell is awestruck by the werewolf and brags about his murders to an angry Wilbur, begging to be bitten and asks if Kayla's mauling displeased him, stating that he intends to go to the hospital and finish her off. After Cadwell shows off his werewolf suit, Wilbur begins to rip him apart, thus ending the Beast Killer once and for all.
Redeeming Qualities or Freudian Excuse ?
His entire characterization comes from one scene, and he's shown to be a man obsessed with becoming a werewolf, and his reasoning for being the Beast Killer was a bid to get their attention. He sees werewolves as something to be revered and idolized. When it turns out the werewolf that paid his apartment a visit isn't here to make his dreams come true, he gets mad and goes out screaming "You can't kill me! I'm Forest J. Cadwell!"
Originally I wasn't gonna do him, because he is shown having a pet dog...except he doesn't actually Pet the Dog. Sure the dog is just there but in his entire screen time, Cadwell doesn't show it any affection, doesn't talk to it, doesn't even acknowledge it. It's just there and he doesn't pay the slightest bit of attention to it. The dog is pretty much a prop and doesn't add or effect Cadwell in any way. Like in the entire scene, he doesn't so much as glance or say a word to the dog.
Heinous standard
I wouldn't worry too much about him having to compete with Duane Mellor as none of the episodes are remotely connected. But then again I don't know how we usually handle anthologies as I'm not used to talking about them. That all being said, the Beast Killer isn't a soul eating voodoo guy like Mellor, he's just a regular human being (albeit a crazed furry with metal claws in his suit).
He's the only villain in his episode, and an established serial killer, who two of his murders are shown onscreen. It's made clear that werewolves are not Savage Wolves, as ones behaviour as a wolf is supposed to reflect their behaviour as a person. Simply put; you're a good wolf if you're a good person.
"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."With anthologies, I think this guy could count.
And clinches it, since I think Lighty did Mellor (who I'll de-pothole when this new guy gets written up).
Edited by ACW on Apr 14th 2019 at 7:22:58 AM
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM DraftsYes to Beast Killer.
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup threadI'm leaning towards a to the Beast Killer. Just one question, the page mentions their are at least three other serial killers not counting Mellor, how does he stack up compared to them?
Also on the YMMV page they've potholed Serial Killer twice on Mellor's write up.
Good question.
And yeah, Mellor DEFINITELY needs de-potholing. That was one of my older ones (2+ years).
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts~ACW, I would like to modify Grande's entry to make the spellings of the numbers consistent (either "2-century-long" and "14 years ago" or "two-century-long" and "fourteen years ago"). Please choose whatever you wish.
to the Beast Killer.
Fair enough. It's fixed.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM DraftsThank you!
to the Beast killer.
I love how a Beast E Ped a guy named Beast killer
Things are really about to get Fun around hereYeah, how many do the killers in "Family Man" and "In Sickness and Health" have? I'm switching to abstain until I get my answer.
That said, I'll keep my yes. Mellor has 32, but Beast Killer's completely human, and still bad enough.
Edited by ACW on Apr 14th 2019 at 8:04:07 AM
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM DraftsNot enough on the Family Man. There's little actually onscreen till the end and In Sickness...well, it's saved as a last second twist, and there's actually two killers who never do any murder onscreen (we only see some bodies) and it's likely they care for one another.
Edited by Lightysnake on Apr 14th 2019 at 5:03:47 AM
Edited by ACW on Apr 15th 2019 at 12:11:13 PM
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts