Complete Monster Proposal Thread

I Hope at least one of those quotes I proposed are good lol

Edited by SailorVenus372 on Feb 25th 2023 at 9:57:18 AM

I like the third one best.

Jackson Boomer

Sad to Hess

Ok, now for my second from Dead in Tombstone:

Who is Lucifer? What has he done?

Played by Mickey Rourke, Lucifer is, of course, the ruler of Hell and the master of tormenting those sent to him. His Hell is shown as a truly terrible place of fire and brimstone, countless souls constantly burning as he takes the time to personally dispense Cold-Blooded Torture on select souls, such as when outlaw Guerrero de la Cruz is murdered and sent to Hell.

Spending a nice long while torturing Guerrero via branding irons, biting off his fingers, stabbings, etc., Lucifer eventually hears out Guerrero's offer of a team up: Lucifer will revive Guerrero, and in exchange Guerrero will kill off his entire former gang and send their souls to Lucifer. Gleefully continuing to torture Guerrero even as he accepts the deal, Lucifer gives Guerrero 24 hours to complete his mission.

Lucifer oversees Guerrero as he kills off his whole team, urging him to throw away innocent lives if need be, and when the 24 hours is nearing completion, Lucifer deliberately steps in and drags out Guerrero's final duel with Red to screw Guerrero over and run out the time limit. Lucifer then informs Guerrero that he is now going to be Lucifer's personal agent on Earth, meant to go around slaughtering any and every immoral person he comes across so that they will get to Hell faster for Lucifer to exact heinous torture on.

Now, in the sequel, Dead Again in Tombstone, Lucifer isn't ever seen onscreen—Rourke not returning for the role—but his presence is felt through the film. After Guerrero has sent over 50 people to Hell in Lucifer's stead, he turns on Lucifer...so Lucifer takes on Jackson Boomer as his new agent on Earth. Boomer's entire scheme revolves around communicating with Lucifer and working with his power to bring Hell on Earth, but luckily Guerrero manages to kill Boomer and stop the scheme, having managed to fully turn on Lucifer with help from some religion, artifacts and his daughter, to become his own man once more.

Mitigating features?

Nothing, the trope page lists him as Affably Evil but he's blatantly Faux Affably Evil and only values "stopping evil men" because it brings more people to him to torture for eternity.

Heinousness?

This is where it's...a little stickier, but I do think he passes. In the first film, he's shown onscreen running Hell, and it's vile, but in the sequel Boomer is planning to bring Hell on Earth and it's made damn clear that Lucifer is in on it. It's...admittedly weird that Lucifer isn't actually onscreen in the sequel where his plans reach "fuck the entire planet", but we see him plenty in the first one and the sequel establishes that Boomer is working directly under Lucifer's purview.

Final Verdict?

I'd say Yes

Jackson.

Sang

Hess. There just isn't really enough for me to confidently give him a thumbs up.

Edited by PeterVanHelsing on Feb 26th 2023 at 12:17:34 PM

to Lucifer.

When it comes to Hess, thing that made me give him a shot despite relatively small confirmed part in Operation Cinder was his Bad Boss tadencies and fact that he fully boasts about causing even bigger destruction. But Ravok got the point that he isn’t even confirmed to be in the charge of refinery, thought he is shown to hold the rank of command.

There is the fact that reference book for Season 2 reveals that he was also involved in number of highly destructive attacks on the New Republic, specifficaly noted as the key part. But I don’t know if we treat reference books different than source books (which clarified Freedon Nadd’s involvment in Onderon and Keeto’s Conquest)

Oh uh could you give a more through summary on this character from Genshin impact. Sounds promising.

to Dead in Tombstone trio.

Nekros, Red, Blackhand, Umbrasyl, Jackson and Lucifer

Sangwoo and Hess

Yes to Lucifer

Sure to Lucifer.

Speaking of Genshin Impact, I think Nathan got enough votes.

to Lucifer.

to Hess.

• Ace Attorney
• FBI
• Issue #145's "Feast of the Stag": The Stagbringer, mad prophet of the Lima Plains and fanatical dedicant of the primordial Stag God Oranah, has tirelessly worked for years to see his god brought to Earth. The Stagbringer brainwashes dozens of innocent farmers and influences them into ghastly rituals of Human Sacrifice, compelling them as well to burn their crops and even murder their own children. When Conan ventures into the Lima Plains, thousands have already been slaughtered, including nearly every member of the ruling family, while thousands more from the neighboring country are threatened with starvation because of the crop-burning. Ultimately, the Stagbringer seeks to bring Oranah down so it may set the entire world aflame, seemingly for nothing but the joy of wanton destruction.
• King Godwyn, ruler of the Gittish Empire, stands out as the prime definition of Humans Are the Real Monsters within a monster-filled world. Murdering his father and trapping his soul within a tomb out of impatience of not being granted the Empire, Godwyn then led a brutal campaign across the lands. Anyone captured by his forces would be enslaved and taken to the Gortress, where they would be brutalised constantly and killed whenever they grew weak or old. Godwyn also took to kidnapping Celestrians and had them trapped within The Oubliette, draining them of their powers, and also causing the Celestrian Corvus to snap from his 300-year-long torture. Revived by Corvus, Godwyn restarts his ambitions of conquest and enslavement, this time aiming to use the fallen Fyggs to allow him to have complete dominion over the planet. Defeated by the hero, Godwyn makes one last mad attempt on their life, forcing their mentor Aquila to make a Heroic Sacrifice.
• Stranger of Paradise: Nil, a high-ranking and truly vile Lufenian, is Jack Garland's Arch-Enemy. Complicit in Lufenia's attempts to control Cornelia and the rest of the world, when that is foiled by Jack becoming Chaos Nil takes drastic action. Using Gilgamesh for the Death Machine—driving him to painful madness—Nil tries to use said machine to assassinate Jack and his allies, threatening to destabilise and destroy multiple dimensions in the process. In a final attempt at purging Chaos, Nil summons an army of Manikins that slaughter all the other Lufenians, intending to destroy Chaos and erase the entire dimension, creating it anew as a utopia free from "corrupting elements".
• Rudra "the Catastrophe" is the ancient Horror bent on covering the world in darkness. After Rudra was sealed away by the Abe family, the machinations of Douma Hoshi allowed it to possess Abe no Seimei as its vessel. Rudra proceeds to cause death and destruction across the Capital in order to completely break its seal, taking enjoyment in beating Raikou and Kintoki. Merging with Ashiya Douman after being freed at last, Rudra has Horrors scourge the capital, planning to reduce all of humanity to nothing more than food for its kind.
• The Horror known only as "King" is the ruler of El Dorado. While far from the most powerful Horror in history, King is one of the most clever. Forming the city of El Dorado as a seeming paradise, countless humans are lured in to become prey of the Horrors. Swaying numerous Makai Order adherents to his side to enact his plot, King intends to digitize the world so all humankind can be preyed on at will in his utopia. Upon the arrival of Sword and Sophie, King proceeds to give an order to initiate the absolute slaughter of humans within El Dorado and enact his digitization plot.
• Planet Hulk: The "Red King", real name Angmo-Asan, seemingly saved Caeira's life in a flashback from the slaughter of her village before enslaving her. In his gladiatorial match against the Hulk, the Red King begins by slaughtering a group of the arena's survivors. Ordering the deaths of any who question the tributes he receives, the Red King dismisses the complaints of peasants, whom he compares to animals. In his rematch against the Hulk, the Red King tries to destroy the arena with a nuke, uncaring for the audience within the blast radius. When confronted about his atrocities, the Red King smugly proclaims killing to be his right, duty, and pleasure. Finally defeated, the Red King tries to destroy the planet he is on as a final act of spite.
• Empress Jiang is the conniving, power-hungry wife of Sima Zhong. As a concubine, Jiang fatally poisoned Sima Zhong's infant children, stopping only to prevent an investigation into the deaths, resulting in the birth of Sima Yu. Later marrying Sima Zhong and becoming his Empress, Jiang grows dissatisfied with him and has her subordinates kidnap men off the streets so she could force them to have sex with her. Seeing Sima Yu as a threat, she tricks him into drunkenly copying a threat to Sima Zhong, resulting in Sima Yu being imprisoned. Empress Jiang then has him poisoned in his jail cell, presenting poisoned wine to him as a gift from his father.
• Keen Detective Funnies:
  • Dean Denton: Bolton Gates, aka the Conqueror, is a wealthy yet power-hungry megalomaniac hell-bent on world domination and the sworn foe of Dean Denton. Leading a cult of red robed men, the Conqueror commits several evil deeds throughout the series such as murdering a federal agent and one of his followers during his counterfeit money scheme; trying to use a beam to slowly and torturously kill Dean and Carol; attempting to use Carol as a Human Sacrifice; murdering an actress with an poison blow dart; and manipulating a man to take the death sentence for him under a false pretense that he'll cure his dying wife, letting her die anyway when he does comply. The Conqueror ultimately tries to have the two warring countries of Sirape and Kambeg surrender to him by using Greenite gas to kill countless soldiers of theirs, threatening to kill every last one of them if they don't comply to his demands.
  • Issue #18's The Eye Sees story: Ganza is a mercenary hired to make a small nation's civil war worse. Deciding the best way to do so is to get the United States involved, Ganza masterminds a plot to blow up the American consulate with the ambassador, his daughter and anybody else who happens to be inside, and make it look like an air raid did it. While setting up the bombs, Ganza kills a henchman for seeing something nobody else does, and later executes his other employees so he doesn't have to share the payout.
• The Legend of Vox Machina:
  • Season 2: Kevdak, Thunderlord of the Herd of Storms, is the wicked uncle of Grog Strongjaw. Leading his Herd of Goliaths as marauding bandits, Kevdak has butchered countless innocents and left villages as lifeless wastelands. When Grog protected an innocent gnome, Kevdak savagely beat him to a pulp and left him for dead. In the present, Kevdak continues his brutal marauding to gather riches for the dragon Umbrasyl. Upon being opposed by his son Zanror, Kevdak beats him down with a clear threat to his life. When Grog returns, Kevdak gleefully tries to kill his best friend Pike and then beat Zanror to death when his son takes the chance to try to stop Kevdak's madness.
  • "The Terror of Tal'Dorei" two-parter: Brimscythe, the Iron Storm, is the blue dragon of the Chroma Conclave and the first true threat faced by Vox Machina. Desiring to conquer Emon, Brimscythe destroys farmland and massacres multiple villages of the Shalesteps, putting Emon at risk of starvation, in order to gain the attention of the Tal'Dorei council. Taking the guise of General Krieg after killing him, Brimscythe led several adventuring groups to be slaughtered, later doing the same thing to a squadron of his own soldiers, to push Sovereign Uriel to mobilize the army against the dragon. When fellow council member Sir Fince begins gathering evidence of Brimscythe's true nature, Brimscythe murders Fince before confronting Vox Machina in his lair. There, it's revealed that Brimscythe intends to have all of Emon's soldiers gathered in one place so that he can kill them all, leaving him free to attack the defenseless Emon as he pleases.
• Legend of Oz: Wicked West, written by Tom Hutchinson:
  • The Wicked Witch of the West is an utterly cruel woman who wants nothing more than to dominate all of Oz. In her quest for an army, West murdered the creators of the Golden Cap and used it to control the entire "People" race. To illustrate her control, West forced the People to slaughter an entire village of their friends, and threatened to make them turn on the rest of Oz and then one another if they didn't follow West's orders. Terrorizing Oz for years to come, West learns of the arrival of Dorothy Gale and immediately tries to murder the girl and her friends to steal her power. West then proclaims her intention to burn down Dorothy's homeworld and bring devastation to Oz and a dozen more innocent realms.
  • Mombi, the Wicked Witch of the North, is a vile pusher and mover of power in Oz. Mombi backs the schemes of countless villains, including West herself, all in exchange for one particular currency: children. Mombi deals exclusively in kids, whether to use them as cheap, abused labor, or to slaughter them to use them as raw ingredients in potions. She even eats the occasional child. Mombi transformed Ozma, ruler of Oz, into Tip to begin with, and made Tip a slave on her ranch, where Tip sees things like Mombi transforming kids into a non-sapient frog merely for running his mouth.
• Legion of Super-Heroes (2023): The original Brainiac is the secret founder of the Dark Circle. A nightmarish villain responsible for countless atrocities, Brainiac attempts to have his minions murder Legion members to manipulate Kara and his clone Brainiac 5 into activating a special device that affects space and time. Having had numerous other clones created to do damage ranging from serial killing to mass destruction, Brainiac has survived by grafting them to his body still alive, conscious and with one still screaming. Seizing control of the device, Brainiac plans to erase every hero from existence along with anyone that could ever possibly threaten his reign over existence, plotting to destroy entire worlds to secure his final goal.
• Superman: Red Son:
  • Brainiac is an alien artificial intelligence who comes to Earth to miniaturize and collect the city of Stalingrad before supposedly being defeated by Superman. In truth seeing an opportunity to gain control over not just a city but an entire world, Brainiac pretends to have been successfully reprogrammed, going on to serve as the Premier's most trusted ally in overseeing the Soviet Empire for over a decade. With the Kryptonian as his Unwitting Pawn, Brainiac lobotomizes dissidents into loyal servants of the USSR and constantly attempts to goad his supposed master into an invasion of the United States that will result in millions of deaths, all while never once bringing up his ability to restore the shrunken city. Upon Superman finally deciding to attack President Luthor only to have a change of heart, Brainiac destroys Stalingrad and proceeds with the invasion anyway, throwing away any façade of subordination in his mad designs. The logical conclusion of Superman's subconscious desire to put the whole world in a bottle, Brainiac is a spiteful narcissist desiring to control everything to sate his egomania, with his ship rigged to self-destruct and wipe out the entire planet even after his ultimate destruction.
  • Joseph Stalin is the initial Premier of the Soviet Union. Acting as a benevolent father-figure to the well-intentioned Superman, Stalin is truthfully a horrible dictator with millions of deaths to his name, having any dissidents mowed down in mass executions or sent to disease-ridden gulags where they are worked to death. Upon being confronted by Superman, who has discovered both the existence of these prison camps and that his childhood friend Lana was sent to die in one of them simply because she knew the Kryptonian before he joined the USSR, Stalin maintains that these atrocities were necessary to weed out the weak and elevate the Soviet Union—and himself—to greater heights.
• The Card Counter (2021): John Gordo, real name John Rodgers, is a psy-ops specialist from the infamously brutal SERE program. Gordo is brought aboard CIA black sites to "reverse-engineer" the methods used to train recruits in the SERE program as actual torture techniques for actual prisoners. Under these parameters, Gordo becomes a government-backed Torture Technician and helps to develop "Advanced Interrogation" techniques, exporting these tortures to places such as Abu Ghraib. Gordo's tortures dehumanize both the prisoners and the soldiers he's in command of, to the point at least one of the latter commits suicide. Despite all his claims of patriotism, Gordo has no problem leaving these soldiers to take the blame when the Abu Ghraib atrocities are leaked. When he's finally confronted, Gordo remorselessly tells an ex-recruit of his that they have to accept their moral responsibility—while, every step of the way, dodging any responsibility of his own.
• Little Big Man: General George Armstrong Custer is a genocidal, hateful officer in the American army. First encountering protagonist Jack Crabb when the latter is an army muleskinner, Custer leads a brutal attack on Native villages, massacring women and children. Later leading a second attack that butchers a whole village, including Crabb's wife and daughter, Custer spares Crabb only to savor his anguish at being unable to kill Custer. Later forcing Crabb into being a scout, Custer decides to attack what he assumes is a helpless group of women and children.
• Return to Oz:
  • The Nome King is the greedy, self-centered ruler of the Nomes who considers all the precious stones in the world to be his. Angered at the people of Oz creating the Emerald City out of his emeralds, the Nome King attacked Oz, turning its population to stone. The Nome King also allowed the tyrannical Princess Mombi to collect the heads of dozens of women to indulge her vanity, with their heads being left alive and fully aware of their situation. When Dorothy Gale returns to save Oz and confronts him, the Nome King challenges her and her friends to a game where the losers are transformed into ornaments for his palace. When Dorothy wins, the Nome King attempts to eat her and all of her friends.
  • Princess Mombi is a deranged, tyrannical sorceress who usurped control of the Emerald City by trapping the true ruler inside an enchanted mirror. A narcissist whose looks are fading with age, Mombi collects the heads of beautiful women and swaps her own head for one of theirs every so often. When not in use, the heads are kept alive and conscious. When Dorothy arrives in the Emerald City, Mombi has her imprisoned with the intention of adding her head to her collection once she becomes an adult.
• Terminator Woman (1993): Alex Gatelee is the crooked CEO of Gatelee Industries. Dealing in illegal affairs like drugs and guns, Gatelee makes most of his money through his massive slave ring, having several women who attend his night clubs kidnapped and sold to foreign buyers. Willing to murder his own men, Gatelee kills one of his men for stealing and hiding his gold, and throws another guy out the window after he accidentally lets some captives free.
• The Auctioneer, by Joan Samson: Perly Dunsmore is an alluring auctioneer with designs to turn the town of Harlowe into his own capitalistic fiefdom. Having likely murdered an elderly woman to steal her home, Perly uses auctions to fund his own personal police force in Harlowe with which he terrorizes the populace into continuously giving away their belongings to supply his auctions. Any townsfolk who refuse to cow to Perly are murdered or severely injured by him, with one woman paralyzed in a car accident and another family's youngest son drowning in a well. Perly has a twisted fascination for children, which is revealed to be utterly depraved when he is ousted as having raped a teenage girl for months. Perly takes his auctions so far that he begins selling children of his victims to wealthy parents looking to adopt. When he is finally driven out of Harlowe, Perly ditches his wounded, loyal right-hand man and arranges for someone else to die in his place to cover his tracks.
• The Heroes: Stranger-Come-Knocking, originally named Pip, is a brutish Northman giant with a fascination for civilization, who proclaims himself chieftain of all that lies east of the Crinna. A savage tactician who lures Governor Meed's army away from his command post so as to ambush and slaughter the dozens of servants, chefs, and other unarmed staff at the outpost, Stranger-Come-Knocking takes Finree dan Brock and Aliz dan Brint as hostages and beats one of his own men into a bloody pulp just for touching Finree. Stranger-Come-Knocking plans to turn Finree and Aliz into breeding slaves to give him "civilized children" as he boasts to have done to entire tribes' worth of women in the past, and he eventually betrays King of the Northmen Black Dow and arranges for Calder to take the throne. Stranger-Come-Knocking is revealed to have been an agent of Bayaz the entire time who deliberately escalated and bloodied the war in the North before turning on Dow for Bayaz's schemes. Stranger-Come-Knocking shows himself to be truly vile even by Northmen standards, a traitor to his own people who will go to any lengths to get what he wants.
• The Troy Saga: Agamemnon, King of Mycenae, is the main perpetrator of The Trojan War and the leader of the invading forces. Having failed to take control of Troy through a coup, Agamemnon rallies the kings of Greece under a false pretence, ravages the lands allied to Troy, and finally lays siege to the golden city itself. Agamemnon's cruel, murderous, and treacherous actions during the siege manage to disgust even his own allies. Utterly unrepentant, Agamemnon causes thousands of deaths and untold suffering in pursuit of personal glory, riches, and power.
• "Tick, Tick, Tick...Boom!": Scott Dunn is responsible for the deaths of a string of prostitutes; caused the suicide of a man who he framed; and murdered a businessman to live off his identity. Calling Beckett to mock her each time he commits a murder, Dunn even sneaks a corpse into her apartment. Later sneaking a bomb into Beckett's apartment, Dunn is enraged when she manages to survive, murdering an innocent woman to vent his anger. Taking FBI Special Agent Jordan Shaw hostage when his identity is revealed, Dunn tries to lure the team into a building he plans to then blow up, killing them all.
• Planet Hulk: The Red King is the tyrannical of the planet Sakaar. He created and unleashed Spikes when he was just a boy, having them turn countless innocents into flesh-eating abominations and manipulating Caiera into serving him. The Red King has thrown countless people, be they rebels or slaves, into death matches in the Colosseum, even brainwashing Korg's three brothers into ruthless killers. When Hulk and his team earn their freedom, the Red King tries to get them to kill their friend Elloe to prove their loyalty to him, deciding to fry them all when they refuse. Unleashing Spikes on the village where gladiators have been hiding, Red King smugly reveals the truth to Caiera before having the village burned to the ground. The Red King has gladiators captured and the seemingly dead Hulk brought to the capital, planning to personally execute them to break the people's hope.
• Belia Darzu is one of the most ghastliest mad scientists the Sith have ever produced. A Shii'do from the days of the New Sith Wars, Belia perverted the Force art of mecha-deru—the art of mechanical manipulation—and turned it into "mecha-deru vitae" to allow the combination of machines and living flesh. Belia creates an army made entirely of innocents she's forcibly converted into creatures she calls "technobeasts", the process of which involves the horrific lobotomization of the victim and their bodies twisted into cybernetic monstrosities; she even designs a Synthetic Plague that transforms people into new technobeasts to go along with them to assimilate as many people as she can. Finally assassinated by the Mecrosa Order, Rule of Two shows that not even death ends her control over the technobeasts; her lab is filled with hundreds of them, awaiting her commands even in death and helpless to prevent themselves from rotting for centuries.
• The Lost Suns tie-in comic: Darth Mekhis is a Mad Scientist and alchemist with a penchant for destructive superweapons. Introduced deploying chemical weapons against hundreds of people on a planet she is invading, Mekhis later takes control of the Vesla system and turns its population into her slave force. Mekhis forces her slaves to create weapons of mass destruction for her, and then turns around and tests the weapons on said slaves, killing off the millions of them for her own sadistic glee. Using the Sun Razer as a base of operations, Mekhis has designed the Sun Razer to devour stars for power, and has devastated multiple planets with it. She plans to mass produce the Sun Razer to enslave and kill millions more innocents, so that she can create all the more weapons for war that will be used to slaughter entire planets. Mekhis uses her free time to corrupt Jedi into becoming Sith, and any Jedi who remain stoutly against her are tortured and forcibly transformed into her cyborg slaves.
• Original 1981 radio drama: Lord Tion, a character original to the radio drama, is the Imperial nobleman placed in charge of the Ralltiir invasion. Tion is a smug sadist who blockades Ralltiir and begins a planetwide crackdown, where he abuses the citizens—rebels or not—with impunity. He establishes torture chambers all across the planet, press-gangs citizens into forced labor, holds executions without proper trial, and happily reminisces on the time he burned alive a group of surrendering rebel leaders who thought they were being invited to a peace talk. Tion intends to involve himself with the Death Star and then wed Princess Leia—on whom he has a crush—to fully assert his power, knowingly abetting the creation of a galaxy-wide regime of fear and terror for the sake of his own advancement.
• Blood Breed: The owner of the abattoir is a disgraced biologist who was enamored with the cows and decided to create human/cow hybrids. Slaughtering the whole staff of his facility with the help of his son, the owner started to perform various experiments, capturing young women and using them as incubators for his hybrids, which always resulted in women dying. Capturing the protagonist, the owner gleefully tried to make her one of incubators.
• Chained Echoes:
  • The three Vaen are an ancient and powerful race that once helped defeat and seal away the evil Harbinger, before their power went to their heads and began to see themselves as gods over humanity. To strengthen the Harbinger's prison, the Vaen would periodically release the destructive Grand Grimoire in the world so that it could cause mass devastation to reset human progress and use their souls to reinforce the prison. When the Grand Grimoire is stolen from them, the Vaen are only enraged that someone would dare steal from them, and send their giant champion to kill the thief. When the Crimson Wings kill it, the Vaen create a giant fireball to kill everyone in Valandis with as punishment, showing that despite their claims, they only truly care about maintaining their own power and superiority over mankind.
  • Daimbert was a scientist from Tormund that was interested in transferring souls from one being to another and was exiled over wanting to try human experimentation. Founding the White Rose Inn, Daimbert would pose as a normal innkeeper to abduct passing travelers and experiment on them, such as transferring their souls into another person, which would drive them insane before they killed themselves, or trap their souls inside a flower with them still fully conscious and aware. Abducting Lenne when the party is passing through, Daimbert used her to try to capture the entire party to experiment on them, only to run away when they got free. When confronted by the heroes, Daimbert has the only survivor of his experiments, the little girl Arlette, and orders her to kill them, threatening to beat her if she doesn't.
• Dragon: Marked for Death: Duchis Medius is the elderly Divine King of the Medius Empire, and claims to be the man closest to the deity Celestial Primatus. Desiring immortality, Duchis manipulates members of the Dragonblood Clan in the kingdom of Maralyus into causing a rebellion, using that as an excuse to send his Divine Knights—led by the Soul Vessel Vasith—to carry out a genocide on the Dragonblood Clan and kidnap their Oracle, Amica, leading to a survivor swearing revenge against him. Encasing Amica in Vasith and forcing her to kill to make her soul more powerful, Duchis attempts to sacrifice both Amica and the survivor to Primatus in an attempt to become a god himself.
• MOR (link): Miss Frid is Linn's adoptive mother and an "Angelmaker", who adopted several children from parents who couldn't take care of them and then drowned them, continuing to take money from the parents as she pretended to take care of their children. Failing to drown Linn in the past, Miss Frid tried to stop her investigation of her past, and when Linn discovered the cave where Miss Frid had hidden the corpses of the children, Miss Frid had no issue locking the only exit and leaving Linn to starve to death.
• Astaroth is a golem created by the High Priest Kunpaetku of the cult Fygul Cestemus to retrieve the cursed sword Soul Edge. Intended as a mindlessly loyal slave, Astaroth is granted sapience by the dark god Palgaea and feigns loyalty to the traitorous Kunpaetku while plotting to betray and murder him. Developing a sadistic love of combat and bloodshed, Astaroth hones a brutal fighting style and becomes one of Nightmare's generals when promised the opportunity to kill as much as he wants, plotting to betray Nightmare once Soul Edge is restored to full power. Astaroth rampages across Eurasia, gleefully slaughtering entire villages, butchering Maxi's pirate crew, and goading Kilik into succumbing to his malfestation. Disquieted by the realization that if he gave Soul Edge to Palgaea he would be without purpose, Astaroth tries to kill Ivy Valentine—spitefully revealing that she had been conceived as a spare host for Soul Edge and unwittingly serving it—before being vanquished by Maxi.
• X-Treme X-Men (2001) "Schism", "Intifada", & "Prisoner of Fire" arcs: Elias Bogan is a reclusive psychic billionaire and consummate mind-rapist who takes a particular interest in breaking the X-Men. Elias Bogan is the original inspiration for the Hellfire Club and its very first Lord Imperial, which already makes him responsible for all the blood they've shed before he even appears on-page. Bogan has a special proclivity for turning people into his shattered "pets", and he repeatedly attempts to subject the X-Men to mental torture and brainwashing, attempting to make them kill their own allies under his control and promising he'll rewire their minds to have them love and beg for the abuse he puts them through. The sickest incident comes when Bogan convinces a young mutant named Jeffrey Garrett and his desperate family to sign on an experiment with the promise of money. Instead, Bogan tortured Jeffrey's entire family until the point Jeffrey had to euthanize them, a fact Bogan cruelly mocks Jeffrey over later. Bogan only takes pleasure in the pain and destruction of others, and has filled an entire library with the archives and knowledge of sheer cruelty he's gathered over the centuries he's been alive.
• Dr. Hugo Strange is a former associate of Thomas Wayne in the Pinewood Farms project, meant to cure disease but abused by Strange to perform horrifying experiments on patients. When Wayne discovered Strange's deeds and shut the project down, Strange allied himself with the Court of Owls, having Wayne and his wife gunned down in front of their young son, Bruce. Becoming head of Arkham Asylum, Strange continues his torturous experiments on his patients, driving many insane or transforming them into monsters. Discovering how to bring the dead back to life, Strange resurrects Gotham's deceased criminals as raving lunatics who go on to kill numerous innocents while Strange happily accommodates them to commit their crimes. Ordered by the Court to detonate a nuclear device to destroy evidence of his experiments, Strange agrees, apathetic that this may potentially take out much of Gotham City, and later returns to create a Hate Plague from the Tetch virus, driving Gotham into a killing frenzy. Later allying with Nyssa al Ghul when the city devolves into a No Man's Land, Strange mind controls Edward Nygma and an army general into attacking refugees, creates Bane, and attempts to turn Gordon into a similar Super-Soldier to force his aid in the total slaughter of Gotham's populace. Playing everyone as it suited him, Strange proved a narcissistic scientist who cared only for performing his depraved experiments.
• "What if Palpatine killed Rey and Ben on Exegol?" (link): Palpatine fatally electrocutes his own granddaughter, Rey, along with Ben Solo, before wiping out the whole Resistance. He conquers the galaxy, destroying any star system that opposes him. As Emperor, Palpatine kills or enslaves entire species if he deems them unworthy to exist, and enacts a cleansing of anyone who disagrees with his rule, with many worlds purged. He creates a cult which preaches complete devotion to himself and makes the practice of any other religion punishable by death. When he is not ruling, Palpatine kidnaps many Force-sensitive children and infants to turn to the Dark Side, and conducts experiments to reshape reality to his will.
• Starbound fanfic The Black Nebula: Desert Tumbler is a dissociative, sadistic novakid outlaw, who treats life as a game to kill as many people as possible. Over the years, Desert has killed thousands of people with no signs of stopping, even collecting some of the corpses to dump out of a ship to show off. When first encountered, Desert attacked a village twice, the second time hiring outlaws to join in on the killing, and detonated a bomb full of hostages inside in front of Katsu Umino, all while taunting him for not saving them. Desert later reveals that he was Ethyl Countrisyde's partner in crime, where he manipulated him into a life of crime, before betraying him for refusing to kill people without reason, being the reason why Ethyl is who he is today. Mika Aikawa would later free Desert from prison if he would help her out with committing genocide on florans, which he accepts so that he could kill more people. During the climax, Desert tries to stop the heroes from de-activating the weapons, willing to let an entire star system be destroyed in the process for the sake of a "new high score" on his kill count, not minding if they were just assists due to the opportunity for that many deaths, all while shooting FEO agents due to being bored of Mika ordering him around.
• Bump in The Night: Ben Nicolaides is a slimy pornographer who has long realized that the best money is in child porn. Nicolaides runs an operation in which he kidnaps and forces children to commit sexual acts on film, then distributes the tapes across New York to paying pedophiles. When his girlfriend Cheryl allows one of their clients, Lawrence Muller, to personally molest the kidnapped child Jonathan Tierney, Nicolaides beats said girlfriend to death for getting the cops involved, and then tries to murder the client and Jonathan to cover his involvement up and protect his pornography ring.
• Dice Funk:
  • "Ilium" (Season 3): Gylan Cadun is a vile member of the Order of the Merciful Sword who uses his position to indulge his sadism and prejudices. In the past, Gylan destroyed a village of peaceful Orcs, and when some of his men refused to participate, Gylan had Rolen Hawklight beaten and banished from the Order. When the vampire Count Danto attacked the Order, Gylan sold them out, killed any paladins that resisted, and willingly became a vampire servant of the tyrannical Danto. Gylan then began recruiting people to become vampires within the Order, allowing them to harass and murder whoever they please, and having dozens of people held captive and drained of their blood. When Rolen and Veltari confronted him, Gylan attempted to cut off Rolen's fingers, and then attempted to force a protesting Veltari to murder an innocent man.
  • "Valentine" (Season 4): Saint Luna is the God of Power, created by Semuanya when he died, who forsook the teachings of his father to pursue immortality and gain the power the gods once had. Founding the Crown Corporation, Luna created a system where people struggle to stay out of poverty, brutal Private Military Contractors oppress people in other countries, and the rich force people to commit dangerous crimes for their amusement. Luna kept his true identity secret by magically puppeteering numerous people over the years. In his experiments to achieve immortality, Luna uploaded a man's mind into a computer, deemed the experiment a failure, and locked the man away. Luna eventually created Project Eternity, which granted people immortality. To expand his power, Luna manipulated Catarina Brooks into murdering dozens of Crown employees, forcing her friends to kill her to stop her rampage. When Team Loser tried to track Luna down, Luna ruined William Graves's life before killing him and another man. Luna's ultimate plan is to release Project Eternity at such a high price that anyone who uses it will be stuck in endless debt, effectively becoming Luna's slave for eternity. After his death, it's revealed that Luna aided Aeron with a plan that got countless more people killed.
• The Prince of Egypt: High Priest Hotep, so-called voice of the gods, is the Treacherous Advisor first to Pharaoh Seti and then Rameses. In truth, Hotep's divine miracles are all staged. When Rameses begins to slip out of line, Hotep threatens him back into place, claiming his power is nothing compared to the High Priest's. Far more evil than both his original counterpart and Rameses himself at the end, when Rameses redeems himself, Hotep commands the armies of Egypt to massacre the fleeing Hebrews himself.
• Love Esquire's "Amelie Boden's Route": Serena Ives is the game's shopkeeper and secretly a Gegner sleeper agent scheming the fall of Caerulia. Sent to dismantle it in preparation for the Gegner invasion, Serena ran the spy operations to sabotage Caerulia, from pushing the kingdom's corruption through the Black Market, to providing weapons to dangerous people to sow chaos, while poisoning specific people for espionage or to make them an example to potential defectors. When Amelia and the Squire begin to uncover the Gegner spy network after discovering Amelia's mom was actually poisoned because Arnold was a former spy, Serena targeted them next, killing their farm animals as a warning before trying to kill them herself, ending with her winning and the Gegner slaughtering Caerulia or her capture after nearly killing them.
• Uncle Peter lived inside the wall (link): "Uncle Peter" is a human-eating cryptid that takes over the Narrator's house to live inside a wall and torture his parents during the night. When the Narrator's maid tries to clean Peter's personal hole, Peter murders her and erases most memories of her. Despite seemingly showing a kinder side to the then-infant Narrator, Peter exposes him to violent and sexual content as preparation to force him and his family to participate in horrifying acts. Peter also isolates the Narrator by traumatizing his friends, and when the Narrator gets a girlfriend, Peter mutilates her in indescribable forms and casually eats her organs in front of him, making her one of the hundreds of victims that Peter killed over a decade. Eventually bored of his "family" after they tried to fight back, Peter leaves the Narrator's father permanently unable to use his legs and then frames the entire family for all his murders, smiling as they're arrested for his murders.
• Dreamland: "Dutch" Dylan is a psychotic enforcer to gangster Len Trexler. Having killed Archer's partner just to watch him die, Dutch enjoys performing hits and dissolves his victims' bodies in acid to sate his blood thirst. After being crippled and having his limbs replaced with mechanical ones, Dutch takes vengeance upon Trexler for the surgery by killing all of his underlings to pose their corpses in a grizzly parody of The Last Supper, and later tries to murder Archer and all of his allies to avenge his injury.

Edited by ACW on Feb 26th 2023 at 7:43:56 AM

For "Dutch" Dylan—"grizzly" should be "grisly."

Whoops, fixed.

BTW, I put Bogan between Papa and Slade.

Right. As per request, I will go to working on making a few tweaks to my proposal providing summary and detail.

Lucifer

As we’re waiting for the Waking The Dead writeups I thought I’d go ahead and EP a character I’ve been considering for a while now. This was a big surprise for me, as I genuinely did not think that this show would offer any keeps at all. The show in question is Vera, an excellent ongoing detective show on ITV and the candidate is from the Series 1 episode “Little Lazarus”.

Before I begin I just want to talk about the heinous standard for this show, just in case people think this guy doesn’t have enough murders and immediately downvote. There are certain crime dramas which simply aren’t conducive to CM characters and Vera is one of them. Nearly every murderer on this show is characterized as a deeply damaged, broken person who often regrets their actions. The exceptions to this have strong mitigating qualities, often with a sympathetic backstory to boot. At most, they’ll kill maybe three and even the most gruesome homicides on this show (and there aren’t many which are particularly gratuitous) will usually be for a reason. Extremely rare is the killer with no mitigating or at least understandable qualities.

With that out the way then, let’s begin.

Vera is called to a particularly brutal homicide. A woman called Margaret Wilde has had her head cracked open with multiple blows from a baseball bat just outside her parked car, and her ten year old son, Adam, fled from the killer and hid under a bridge, nearly dying from the cold in the process. It seems that Margaret was fleeing from someone who bore her an enormous grudge, and it’s towards the end of the episode we discover who. In a world where Sympathetic Murderer is the norm, this guy stands out as quite the exception.

Who is he?

Danny Hale, a psychopathic young man Margaret was in care with.

What has he done?

Margaret Wilde, as it turns out, was in fact a young girl called Carla Davies who was surrendered into care by her birth father. Whilst there, Danny Hale instantly hated her due to her good looks and likeable personality, and took to raping and torturing her for years, with Carla ending up in hospital twice due to the constant abuse. Eventually, she reported him and Danny was transferred to a young offenders institute. Enraged at this, Danny tracked her down years later and found that she had given birth to a son who she was wheeling around in her pram. Cornering her, Danny threatened to snap the baby’s neck and went after her. Terrified, Carla threw drain cleaner in his face which burned half of it off.

Knowing that Danny was going to kill her baby if she went to jail as a twisted form of proxy revenge, Carla, with the help of a sympathetic local judge, was given a new identity and fled with her son. Enraged, Danny spent years tracking her down all across North England, intending to give her and her son the worst death he could possibly give them. Knowing this and severely terrified, Carla and her son lived a nomadic lifestyle hiding in buildings. Eventually discovering her location after threatening the judge, Danny ran her off the road and then brutally bludgeoned her to death with a baseball bat, before chasing Adam and intending to give him the exact same fate, only being thwarted when Adam successfully hid from him.

Presuming that Adam had perished from the elements, Hale was enraged after discovering the young boy was still alive. When Adam flees from the hotel where Vera is keeping him due to believing Hale had found him, Hale discovered him. Chasing the boy yet again, Hale attempted to shoot him dead and pointlessly killed one of Adam’s neighbours dead just for being in the way. However Adam again hid from him in the apartment. After Vera discovers Margaret/Carla’s real identity she arrested Hale, putting an end to his revenge plot.

Heinous standard?

As I mentioned before, this is a world where Sympathetic Murderer is the rule and not the exception. Every single killer has strong mitigating qualities and each will be guilty of maybe three homicides at most. Hale is thus quite a standout and pretty much sets the standard for the show as a whole in terms of sheer evil. His brutality, including years long torture/rape as well as attempting to beat a child to death, is at a level which makes even Vera wince and the show has not seen it’s like before or since. Likewise, I have yet to see a single other episode where someone attempts to kill a child, particularly through such brutal means and for no other reason than petty revenge. Apart from Hale there is only one other killer that even comes close to him in viciousness and cruelty and even they don't have a hope of being a CM as they’re nowhere near bad enough. Easy pass.

Redeeming Qualities or Freudian Excuse?

Not a single thing worth mentioning. Whilst he did grow up in care, it’s never explained how he got there. He’s characterized as a complete psychopath through and through.

Conclusion?

I’ll understand if people think he doesn’t have a high enough body count but I’m going with a . In between years long torture and rape, attempted child murder and a pointless murder I think he does enough.

I'm genuinely surprised, as I did not think this show would have a single character who came close to this trope.

Edited by Atlantis1930 on Mar 5th 2023 at 7:45:07 PM

Hale.

to Danny Hale.

Yeah I have to second it, Vera is not a show that should have anyone close to a complete monster. Usually even the more repulsive and loathsome characters either have a softer side or aren't close heinous enough. Danny Hale is something that feels like he wandered in from another show.

Although if you get the chance please check Vera out. Its easily one of the best crime drama's I've ever seen.

I'll give Hale a yes, but ONLY because of the years-long raping. Otherwise, he probably wouldn't pass baseline.

to Hale. Sounds more than good enought for which sound like pretty grounded crime drama.

Edited by EmperorGeode on Feb 26th 2023 at 8:05:00 AM

Danny Hale. My parents watch this show, I'll have to ask them if they saw this episode.

Brinscythe should go above Kevdak. He was a Season 1 villain, while Kevdak appeared in Season 2