To-do list:
- It was decided to expand the trope to include other creative figures such as directors and producers and remove the requirement that the casting choice be for an adaptation. Sandbox.Creator Chosen Casting is being used to rewrite the description to account for this.
Problem: Creator-Chosen Casting is supposed to be about casting choices that are made by a creator for an adaptation of their original work. However, the wick check
shows that it's primarily being used for any instance of a director/showrunner picking somebody to star in their work, even if it's not an adaptation of anything, or if the actor wasn't chosen by the work's original creator for the adaptation.
Possible solutions:
- Expand the trope to include other creative (directors, producers etc.) and remove the adaptation requirement.
- Keep the old name and rewrite to make it about creatives (directors, producers etc.) choosing an actor to be casted in a role and rework the "original author of something chooses the cast for an adaptation" into its own trope.
Wick check:
Creator-Chosen Casting is about the original creator of a work (like the author of a book) choosing the cast for an adaptation. But some of the examples simply involve someone on any creative writing team choosing who plays/voices a part.Side note: A good chunk of the examples were deleted after I finished the wick check.
(50/50)
- Chosen for adaptation - (13/50)
- A creative choosing a cast for something that is not an adaptation - (33/50)
- Other - (4/50)
- Trivia.To Kill A Mockingbird/ Creator-Chosen Casting: Harper Lee was on set for the first day of filming and was reduced to tears by how well Gregory Peck embodied Atticus Finch.
- Trivia.The Bad Guys 2022/ Creator-Chosen Casting: With the exception of Marc Maron as Mr. Snake, the rest of the actors chosen came from the books' author, Aaron Blabey's, own cast list for the film. Some notable examples include Sam Rockwell as Mr. Wolf and Craig Robinson as Mr. Shark.
- Trivia.The Disaster Artist/ Creator-Chosen Casting: Tommy Wiseau believed that only two actors could play him on film - Johnny Depp or James Franco.
- Trivia.Good Omens 2019/ Creator-Chosen Casting: Neil Gaiman insisted on having David Tennant play Crowley.
- Trivia.Nyaruko Crawling With Love/ Creator-Chosen Casting: Manta Aisora explicitly said he wanted Bin Shimada to play Nodens; this was apparently the only specific casting choice he had in mind.
- Trivia.One Piece/ Creator-Chosen Casting: As one of the executive producers, Eiichiro Oda had extensive control over the casting as well as the scripts.
- Trivia.Fear And Loathing In Las Vegas/ Creator-Chosen Casting: Hunter S. Thompson met with Johnny Depp and declared that nobody else could play Raoul Duke.
- Trivia.Dr No/ Creator-Chosen Casting: Lois Maxwell was cast after Ian Fleming thought she was the perfect fit for Miss Moneypenny.
- Trivia.Grandmaster Of Demonic Cultivation Mo Dao Zu Shi/ Mo Xiang Tong Xiu's favourite Japanese voice actor is Tatsuhisa Suzuki, and this is what influenced the latter's casting as Wei Wuxian for the Japanese dub of the audio drama.
- Trivia.The Boondocks/ Caesar, Huey's best friend and foil in the original comic strip, was Adapted Out from the animated series specifically because Aaron McGruder couldn't think of a good voice actor for the character and wasn't happy with any of the choices he was given.
- Trivia.The Hunger Games/ Suzanne Collins approved of both Jennifer Lawrence and Elizabeth Banks' casting.
- Trivia.You Cant Take It With You/ Frank Capra cast James Stewart after seeing him in Navy Blue and Gold to "[fit] his concept of idealized America".
- Trivia.The Wild Geese/ Creator-Chosen Casting: Euan Lloyd had Richard Burton and Roger Moore in mind from the beginning.
- Trivia.The Big Lebowski/ Creator-Chosen Casting: The Coen Brothers wrote the script with Jeff Bridges, John Goodman, Steve Buscemi, John Turturro and Sam Elliott in mind.
- Trivia.Tactics Ogre/ Creator-Chosen Casting: On Twitter, Matsuno said that his choice for Deneb nearly thirty years ago was Fumi Hirano, who now voices her in the Reborn remaster.
- Trivia.The3rd Birthday/ Creator-Chosen Casting: Square Enix specifically cast Yvonne Strahovski as Aya in the English dub after impressing them for her work in Chuck.
- Trivia.The Whale/ Creator-Chosen Casting: After struggling to find a Charlie for years, Darren Aronofsky watched the trailer for Journey to the Center of the Earth (2008) and offered it to Brendan Fraser.
- Trivia.All Too Well/ Creator-Chosen Casting: According to Swift, stars Dylan O'Brien and Sadie Sink were the two actors she had in mind from the earliest of planning stages, and she didn't have backup ideas in case they said no.
- Creator-Chosen Casting: Oliver Stone cast Val Kilmer after seeing him in Willow.
- Once The Daniels wrote the main character of Everything Everywhere All at Once as a middle-aged Asian woman who becomes an interdimensional martial arts heroine, they downright named her Michelle hoping Michelle Yeoh would sign. She did, but asked them to not name the character after herself (it became Evelyn). example was deleted
- Trivia.Sergeant York/ Creator-Chosen Casting: Alvin C. York thought he should be portrayed on the screen by Gary Cooper. Samuel Goldwyn, who had Cooper under contract, wouldn't release him. Henry Fonda, James Stewart and even Ronald Reagan were considered. Goldwyn finally gave in when Warners agreed to lend him Bette Davis for The Little Foxes.
- Trivia.The Sixth Sense/ Creator-Chosen Casting: M. Night Shyamalan wrote the role of Malcolm Crowe with Bruce Willis in mind.
- Trivia.The Ghost And Molly Mc Gee/ Creator-Chosen Casting: According to this Twitter post by co-showrunner Bob Roth, no one else was up for consideration to play Scratch other than Dana Snyder.
- Trivia.The Ten Commandments 1956/ Creator-Chosen Casting: Cecil B. DeMille cast Charlton Heston after noting that the actor bore a resemblance to a statue of Moses.
- Trivia.The Shape Of Water/ Creator-Chosen Casting: Guillermo del Toro wrote the role of Elisa Esposito especially for Sally Hawkins after seeing her in Fingersmith and Happy-Go-Lucky.
- Trivia.The Truman Show/ Creator-Chosen Casting: Peter Weir cast Jim Carrey after seeing Ace Ventura: Pet Detective, because his performance reminded him of Charlie Chaplin.
- Trivia.A Beautiful Day In The Neighborhood/ Creator-Chosen Casting: Fred Rogers' widow Joanne claimed that her late husband would have been thrilled to have been portrayed by Tom Hanks, as his favorite film was Forrest Gump.
- Trivia.Air 2023/ Creator-Chosen Casting: Michael Jordan requested that Viola Davis be cast to play his mother Deloris in the film.
- Trivia.The Invisible Man 1933/ Creator-Chosen Casting: James Whale cast Claude Rains, whom he met at a London performance of The Insect Play in 1923.
- Trivia.The Incredible Hulk 2008/ Creator-Chosen Casting: Louis Leterrier cast William Hurt because "Ross is more physical, more explosive in this movie, and no actor goes from zero to 100 as well as William."
- Trivia.The Third Man/ Creator-Chosen Casting: Graham Greene had Orson Welles and Joseph Cotten in mind for the roles of Harry Lime and Holly Martins respectively, after he saw them in Citizen Kane.
- Trivia.The Simpsons S 7 E 9 Sideshow Bobs Last Gleaming/ Creator-Chosen Casting: The role of Col. Leslie "Hap" Hapablap was written especially for R. Lee Ermey. Much of his dialogue was difficult to write.
- Trivia.The Cotton Club/ Creator-Chosen Casting: Francis Ford Coppola personally telephoned Bob Hoskins to offer him the role of Owney Madden. Coppola introduced himself, to which an incredulous Hoskins, assuming it was a hoax, replied, "Yeah, and this is Henry the fucking Eighth", and hung up.
- Trivia.Slow Damage/ Creator-Chosen Casting: Fuchii Kabura (the director and scenario writer for Slow Damage) specifically requested that Yuki Ono be cast as Towa, expressing that only he can pull off Towa's scenes in a certain bad ending, namely Fujieda's. note that this was deleted
- Trivia.Flowers In The Attic 1987/ Creator-Chosen Casting: Virginia Andrews met with Kristy Swanson just before filming, and said she was exactly how she'd pictured Cathy.
- Trivia.You Only Live Twice/ Creator-Chosen Casting: Lewis Gilbert cast Tetsurō Tamba as Tanaka having worked with him on The 7th Dawn.
- Trivia.Wise Guys/ Creator-Chosen Casting: Brian De Palma cast Danny DeVito and Joe Piscopo because he loved Johnny Dangerously, laughing hysterically through an advance screening.
- Trivia.Wild Strawberries/ Creator-Chosen Casting: Ingmar Bergman wrote the role of Professor Isak Borg especially for Victor Sjöström, his silent film idol and early counselor at Svensk Filmindustri. He had previously directed him in To Joy.
- Trivia.Feud/ Creator-Chosen Casting: Bette Davis gave Susan Sarandon her nod to play her in a hypothetical film adaptation of her life. After several projects that never got off the ground, she got her wish here.
- Trivia.The Thing 1982/ Creator-Chosen Casting: Although Kurt Russell was involved with the production very early on, he was actually the last actor to be cast. John Carpenter was leaning towards him but, having already worked with him previously, he felt he should consider some other actors for MacReady. Carpenter relented after several choices fell through. Carpenter's initial concern was that his and Russell's working history, combined with Russell's fame as a leading man, would telegraph to the audience that MacReady was The Hero, while Carpenter wanted to keep suspicion high that no one can be definitively trusted, even by the audience.
- Trivia.The Maltese Falcon 1941/ Creator-Chosen Casting: Peter Lorre was John Huston's first and only choice for Joel Cairo. note that this the director of the film, not the author of the book the film was based on
- Trivia.The Elephant Man/ John Hurt was cast after David Lynch, Mel Brooks and producer Jonathan Sanger saw his breakout role in The Naked Civil Servant.
- Trivia.The Lost World Jurassic Park/ Steven Spielberg had to attend an early screening for Swingers in order to give approval for the use of the Jaws theme. He was so impressed by Vince Vaughn that he offered him the part of Nick Van Owen.
- Trivia.A Bronx Tale/ Chazz Palminteri's father was a big fan of Robert De Niro and was thrilled that he was cast as the character based on him.
- Trivia.The Wicker Man 1973/ Anthony Shaffer and producer Peter Snell both wanted Edward Woodward for Sgt. Howie.
- Trivia.The White Lotus/ Creator-Chosen Casting: Mike White wrote Tanya specifically for Jennifer Coolidge.
- One Piece creator Eiichiro Oda was so fascinated by Kazuki Yao's portrayal of the Jango and Bon Clay / Mr 2 characters that he specifically created the character Franky, the crew carpenter, to make Yao a permanent character in the voice cast. unsure; note that the example was deleted
- Trivia.The Forty Year Old Virgin/ Creator-Chosen Casting: Catherine Keener was always the first choice to play Trish Piedmont. borderline ZCE
- Trivia.Cutey Honey/ Go Nagai chose Jessica Calvello as Honey Kisaragi's voice actress for the English dub of New Cutey Honey. unsure because I don't know how dubs count
- According to Inger Nilsson (Pippi in the 1968 show), the director Olle Hellbom's first pick for Pippi's Big Fun Disappeared Dad Efraim Longstocking was actually a short and skinny, somewhat stoic German actor, most likely in an attempt to invoke Ability over Appearance. However, said actor turned out to have terrible chemistry with the kids and Astrid Lindgren herself even exclaimed at a point: "I want someone who is big and warm and sensitive - I want Beppe Wolgers!", which led to Wolgers pothole
Possible Solutions:
- Expand the trope to include other creative (directors, producers etc.) and remove the adaptation requirement.
- Keep the old name and rewrite to make it about creatives (directors, producers etc.) choosing an actor to be casted in a role and rework the "original author of something chooses the cast for an adaptation" into its own trope.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Sep 4th 2023 at 11:26:32 AM
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Paging ~MatthewWayne and ~Ayumi-chan and ~Walk In Shadows as requested.
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You missed the last sentence or two of their OP, Gast!
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Fixed. Accidentally neglected to highlight the whole bullet point when copying and pasting.
She / Her
I personally think either of the solutions are fine.
Same here.
low-poly Shinri
Honestly ditto.
The Man Outside Reality
Yeah, I wanted to get this TRS out there because there was someone trying to purge a lot of misused examples that I felt could be salvaged in some way.
I'm leaning more towards expanding personally, but both ideas are good options imo.
Trust no one.
How sweet it is
Either works, though I also favor the expand option.
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Sounds good on paper (he/him)
I've thought about this after initially holding off on voting, and I'm in favor of expanding. I don't think splitting is a good idea for something that has only 85 wicks, which is healthy on its own, but low enough that the fact that the wick check only picked up 13 wicks fitting the current adaptation-specific definition means splitting could potentially result in at least one of the two new pages being wick-starved.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Jul 21st 2023 at 10:28:18 AM
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It used to have more than 400 before someone took it upon themself to remove wicks.
Edited by Walkinshadows on Jul 21st 2023 at 11:39:14 AM
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
I didn't know that, but the fact that whoever did it didn't bother waiting for the TRS thread to be made before dewicking ended up making things harder for us, which is mildly frustrating.
Edit: Since tracking those removed wicks would be time-consuming due to how many there were, maybe it would be worth just expanding Creator-Chosen Casting for now and then seeing if the removed wicks can be tracked down, and if that would raise the number for the narrower subtrope, it could be Yarded or taken to TLP.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Jul 21st 2023 at 10:57:25 AM
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low-poly Shinri
Luckily, I can look through CCC’s history and pile them up if need be. Plus, We can crosswick any examples from the wick check since there were 100+ wicks when I did it.
The Man Outside Reality
Should we notify the person who removed the original misuse? Maybe restore some of the stuff they deleted as well? Or is that a bridge too far?
Just stoic wisdom.
I located the deleted examples. gjjones and Paul A did the deletions around April 30/May 1, so you can find them in their histories.
That currently corresponds to ~ gj's 20th edit history page here and Paul's 3rd edit history page here
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Expand and re-add the examples that were wrongfully removed.
IIRC this came up in ATT and the troper who reported it suspected that Paul A was removing examples as a means of preventing this trope from being TRSed. I don't know how true that is but it's still annoying.
EDIT: I misremembrered. No such accusation was made by the OP—one of the replies did. Apologies.
Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Jul 21st 2023 at 2:08:02 PM
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Without looking at the misuse, I kinda feel like "director/showrunner chooses someone to play a role" is... kinda chairsy? Not to fall into the trap of ignoring No Trope Is Too Common (or, well, no trivia entry), but it's kind of expected that the director will have, at least, significant input in picking out the cast of their work. A creator favoring a particular actor playing a character in a different version of their work, though, possibly one the creator isn't otherwise directly involved in, that seems like a noteworthy phenomenon.
I suppose the broader trope could talk about an actor being targeted to play a role without an audition process, though that's pretty common too, or even a role being written with a particular actor in mind, though that might be getting into the territory of a different entry.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Now that you mention that, maybe renaming without changing the definition would be preferable to the two original proposals.
The Man Outside Reality
I dunno about that. There's a lot of moments where a director wants to pick somebody as their first choice, but the studio forces them to use someone else.
the Retromancer
Thinking of expansion in another direction, when the original creator has a lot to say in how the adaptation is produced despite not being the director.
Edited by Amonimus on Jul 22nd 2023 at 8:56:44 PM
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That could work, but part of me's worried that it's going to attract God Never Said That due to them having the most creative control. Then again, if there are enough video interviews it might not be a problem.
The Man Outside Reality
That's...not really expansion. That's how the trope is currently defined.
The big question is whether to include examples where a director/showrunner picks a very specific person to be in their work, and it goes through. Since those kinds of examples were the ones being purged by random users.
Edited by MatthewWayne on Jul 22nd 2023 at 11:11:56 AM
Trust no one.
Can shapeshift (probably)
I think he meant re-casting prior to the adaptation airing, which is harder to pin down from a fan perspective. As Morgan said though it (the original definition) is a pretty chairsy concept, unless the creator allows someone else (like the composer) to choose stunt-doubles/extras in pivotal scenes. It's still a pretty big farce (as well as a random example I just put out there) and definitely not one I'm confident in, but under the right circumstances I don't the reductiveness of the trope across examples always has to be exactly the same.
Edited by Coachpill on Jul 22nd 2023 at 2:24:51 PM
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The Man Outside Reality
I really don't think it's chairsy (especially since it's Trivia, which can't really be chairsy by default). There's quite a number of productions where a creator wants to choose someone to be part of their production, but due to outside factors, they're unable to have them join. Whether it be scheduling conflicts, Executive Meddling, getting into an accident...it's not guaranteed that a director can get their first choice. With that in mind, I think the expansion idea is still fairly tropeworthy.
Crown Description:
To-do list:
Problem: Creator-Chosen Casting is supposed to be about casting choices that are made by a creator for an adaptation of their original work. However, the wick check
shows that it's primarily being used for any instance of a director/showrunner picking somebody to star in their work, even if it's not an adaptation of anything, or if the actor wasn't chosen by the work's original creator for the adaptation.
Possible solutions:
Wick check:
Creator-Chosen Casting is about the original creator of a work (like the author of a book) choosing the cast for an adaptation. But some of the examples simply involve someone on any creative writing team choosing who plays/voices a part.Side note: A good chunk of the examples were deleted after I finished the wick check.
(50/50)
Possible Solutions:
Edited by GastonRabbit on Sep 4th 2023 at 11:26:32 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.