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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom from The Daily Bugle (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
captainmarkle Limited Patients from Behind you Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#212277: May 3rd 2020 at 10:02:59 AM

You take a couple of days to rest and you miss a lot!

Somewhat late [tup] to Date, Philip, Santiago

[tdown] to Rupert I'll say.

As for Norton... I'm leaning keep him.

Trans rights are human rights. If you don't think that, please leave.
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#212278: May 3rd 2020 at 10:04:57 AM

Yeah, I think Morgen's point is a valid one. Norton is proud of the painting his wife made, enough to hang it there?

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#212279: May 3rd 2020 at 10:17:12 AM

It's subtle but the issue I take is how things line up here: Norton might be an awful prick but his faith means a lot to him, he's placed something his wife created in a spot he can look at it every day at work and we've got another example in the film of a villain who seems to be separating the horrible prison guard he is with the genuine care for the family life he has outside of his job.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#212280: May 3rd 2020 at 10:48:56 AM

I'll just abstain since I haven't seen the film ( I know right ? I really should though soon)'

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#212281: May 3rd 2020 at 11:00:42 AM

From a recently finished manga...

what's the work?

Stravaganza: The Queen in the Iron Mask is a manga by Akihito Tomi and translated by Zack Davisson. The plot is set in a fantasy world, with multiple kingdoms about. Humans, elves, and other races: the underground Pockles, the ferocious Loupgarous, the dwarves, the giant Sephaeya, the tailed race called Klords...the human kingdom is ruled by a woman named Vivian and tradition dictates the queen always wear an iron mask. unsatisfied with a stifled life, Vivian often sneaks out as an adventurer named Claria...since the best disguise is her own face. Vivian then notices great problems throughout the kingdom, including an attack on her capital city that absolutely erases most of the populace...the savage Orks are on the march. Our first villain? The elf Golmore.

Who is Golmore?

Once an elder of the elves and a scholar who wondered about the origins of everything; how it all works, what makes the world move on, how living things function, Golmore was a personal friend of King Arkadius who began to grow a touch...darker in personality. On e day when pondering, Arkadius saw Golmore brutalizing a small bird to figure out how it could fly. Stopping him, Golmore left the next day. Abandoning the spirits of the land, Golmore lost contact with his elven heritage, his skin turning jet black and his appearance shifting greatly. Golmore created a toxin known as Escine, which drives creatures insane, rabid and subjects them to an agonizing death....wanting tot est his theories on the world, Golmore finds the Orks, and their brutal chieftain Haku...and shows them a world beyond their mountains. Captivated, the warmongering Haku decides to wage an open war to find an opponent strong enough to face him and exterminate everything incapable of it...with Golmore unleashing them so he can find a decent way to experiment. Golmore finds the Umbers, a race of big, shaggy, white furred monsters and poisons them with Escine, unleashing them upon the human capital of Mitera. In a city of tens of thousands, only a scant few thousand, maybe even hundreds survive the horrible rampage with humanity driven away.

Vivian leads a force to reclaim Mitera and sees the Umbers have mostly died from the Esine. Investigating as Claria, she's captured by the Klords, who are being used by Golmore...turns out? Golmore poisoned their village's water supply and is using them as test subjects, revealing himself to Vivian, who barely escapes. The orks march through kingdom after kingdom, savaging and burning everything they find with sadistic relish and brutality. It leads to an open war, as Golmore helps the Orks from behind the scenes. Vivian leads a force to capture him in hopes he can call his allies off but Golmore reveals there's no stopping Haku. Vivian drags Golmore before Haku in hopes he might be able to stop the war, but Haku, judging Golmore's usefulness at its end, pounces on his erstwhile allies and buries his claws in his throat, sarcastically 'thanking' him for showing him new lands to conquer as Golmore chokes to death on his own blood.

Heinousness?

Unleashing the orks as a genocide force simply so he can test his theories, being the force responsible for the extermination of Mitera, using the Escine in all those other ways...Golmore blows it out of the water, no question. Haku will get his own post, but golmore is absolutely heinous enough.

Mitigating Qualities?

None. Golmore's given no sympathetic reason to have ever become what he is. He's just curious and thinks nothing of using the world as a test-site, with cold glee about the deaths of countless thousands, the destruction of entire races and more as long as he's able to see things proceed to his satisfaction. The elves gives him zero sympathy, with Arkadius saying he doesn't know what happened to Golmore and doesn't care, with his crimes being unforgivable and only death awaiting him for his deeds.

conclusion?

A very easy yes.

Bullman "The Juice is Loose." Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
"The Juice is Loose."
#212282: May 3rd 2020 at 11:06:17 AM

Abstaining on Norton. I haven't seen the film and I don't want to vote on it without seeing it myself.

Yes to Golmore.

Edited by Bullman on May 3rd 2020 at 1:06:51 PM

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falcontalons from Earth-2 Since: Apr, 2019
#212283: May 3rd 2020 at 11:07:56 AM

Yes to Golmore. I'll also switch back to cutting Norton.

Riley1sCool Since: Dec, 2014
#212284: May 3rd 2020 at 11:13:37 AM

Yea to Golmore. I'll say cut Norton.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#212285: May 3rd 2020 at 11:14:49 AM

[tup]galmore

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom from The Daily Bugle (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#212288: May 3rd 2020 at 11:34:14 AM

  • Mortal Kombat Legends: Scorpion's Revenge: Quan Chi is a powerful sorcerer and the highest-ranking servant of the mad god Shinnok. Taking over the Netherrealm after Shinnok was imprisoned by the Elder Gods, Quan Chi keeps the realm as a hellish nightmare, where countless people get tortured for eternity. Hatching a plan to free Shinnok, Quan Chi impersonated Sub-Zero and led Lin Kuei to slaughter the whole clan of Shirai Ryu, personally killing Hanzo Hasashi's, aka Scorpion's, wife and child. Promising to resurrect Hanzo's family in exchange for the key to release Shinnok, Quan Chi sent him undercover to the Mortal Kombat tournament to act as his champion, and when Scorpion failed him by choosing to kill Sub-Zero instead, Quan Chi taunted him by revealing that he was the one who destroyed his family and clan.
  • Senran Kagura anime and manga: Headmaster Dōgen is the man who runs Hebijo Academy and the antagonist of Ninja Flash! and the manga adaptations. Desiring to Take Over the World, Dōgen manipulates several troubled girls into serving him. As Headmaster, Dōgen instills a brutal training regime intended to beat his students into obedience. He orders Homura and her friends to steal one of the Super Secret Ninja Scrolls, then once the Hanzo girls arrive to take it back, he invokes the yoke technique to force Homura and her friends to die if they fail him. Intentionally getting as many of his students killed as possible so he can feed them to the Yin and Yang scrolls, Dōgen powers himself with them and tries to kill the girls in a final battle. Upon failing, he activates a self-destruct device that will destroy Hebijo, admitting his complete lack of care that he will be killing many students in the process.
  • Batman: Detective No. 27: Dr. Thomas Wayne is a cruel, fanatical leader of the Confederate group known as the Knights of the Golden Circle. Thomas orchestrates the death of his wife Martha just to fake his own death, and leaves his young son Bruce alive solely to serve as an eyewitness. Developing a plant-based fear toxin, Thomas uses it to brainwash people into serving him, hoping to unleash the toxin at a baseball game and drive the tens of thousands of civilians attending into violent frenzies and kill one another. When his plans are exposed, Thomas murders one of his Co-Dragons, tries to kill his son Bruce, and nearly douses the President of the United States with his toxin, uncaring that it could cause a world war so long as he completes his mission of getting revenge on the Northern states for defeating the Confederates in the Civil War.
  • Survivors' Club, written by Lauren Beukes & Dale Halvorsen: Mr. Empty is a mysterious being who attaches himself to young Harvey Lisker. Taking the form of the father Harvey craves, Mr. Empty murders his mother's boyfriend and then anyone else who troubles Harvey. As he grows stronger, Mr. Empty's murders need less and less justification, butchering anyone around for the sheer fun of it while feeding on Harvey and even massacring a park full of innocents for kicks. Directing Harvey to murder others and attempting to target the "Survivors' Club" of those who have outlived supernatural threats, Mr. Empty stands as one of the most vicious monsters in the comic.
  • Age of Conan: Ghost of the Wall, by Jeff Mariotte: Lupinius is the uncle of Alanya and the leader of a band of rangers. Despite an outwardly friendly exterior, Lupinius is ultimately a jealous and greedy man determined to do whatever it takes to gain his fortune. Hoping to gain a treasure horde supposedly owned by the Pictish Bear Clan, Lupinius uses his niece's innocent friendship with the Pict Kral as an excuse to shatter the truce with the Bear Clan, manipulating the weak-willed governor Sharzen into carrying out a massacre of the Bear Clan that leaves only three people out of the entire clan alive. During the massacre itself, Lupinius orders his men to be as brutal as possible and murders his own brother Invictus, both because Invictus was in his way and because he had wanted to do so for years. After stealing the Crown of the Ice Bear, Lupinius again strong-arms Sharzen into building a wall despite knowing that it's a waste of resources, and upon realizing that Kral survived the massacre and is after him, immediately abandons his niece and nephew to return to Tarantia. After strong-arming his brother's servants into staying on by having his men kill one of them, Lupinius begins to seek out a buyer for the crown. Despite dying before the end of the first book, Lupinius would ultimately be responsible for every tragedy in the Marauders trilogy through his selfishness, racism and greed.
  • "Moving Targets", by Adrian Tchaikovsky, from The Private Life of Elder Things: Hugh Hawkins was put in charge of creating a housing project nicknamed Slumside to house Britain's disenfranchised and poor, but the poor conditions of Slumside led to him getting into trouble with the government. For revenge, Hawkins has machines that induce the ability to see the other world distributed across Slumside, passing it off as drugs which eventually cause the users to come into contact with monsters from said world which eat them, killing hundreds. Eventually distributing it across the entire of Slumside, Hawkins intends to kill thousands of innocents all out of petty revenge for being justly punished.
  • Superman vs. the Elite: Atomic Skull, a psychopath with a grudge against Superman, starts to murder civilians to lure Superman out. Atomic Skull is about to kill 2 women and a baby when Superman attacks him. Superman defeats Atomic Skull and he is arrested, later escaping and starting to kill more civilians. Superman and the Elite team up to defeat the Atomic Skull, but not before he kills Professor Baxter, a prominent Superman supporter. Atomic Skull is so vile, that he helps the Elite gain support for their brutal tactics from the public.
  • The Phantom Stranger: Seth is a centuries-old sorcerer who looks like an attractive young man. Discovering an ancient amulet that allowed him to retain eternal youth by draining the life of others, Seth would murder many people to keep himself immortal. Taking over one mansion whose previous owner is implied to have been murdered by him, Seth started luring teenagers there to drain their lives, and when he invited his latest victims, he managed to drain nearly all of them, only being stopped by The Phantom Stranger, whom he intended to keep as fuel, due to his large life aura, openly saying that he would slowly and painfully drain him for a hundred years.
  • "What If Jafar Won?": Jafar is the Royal Vizier to the Sultan of Agrabah who usurps the throne by means of Genie and the magic lamp, sending Aladdin and Abu to the ends of the earth and unraveling the magic carpet in the process. Imprisoning the Sultan and enslaving Jasmine, Jafar at first attempts to use Genie's magic to force her to marry him, but then uses his own to resurrect her mother Idira for the same purpose, only to cast her out onto the streets instead when she begins to decompose, and threatens his guards with beheadings if she ever returns. Years pass and Jafar has Genie kept imprisoned in his lamp, starves the kingdom and keeps them in line with threats of his power, and tortures and kills two would-be thieves of the lamp. When Aladdin, Razoul, Idira and the rest of the resistance attempt to storm the palace for the lamp, Jafar uses his magic to threaten them, kills Razoul and threatens them again as a giant cobra.
  • Sherlock Holmes fanfiction The Ghost Map: Sebastian Moran and his Serial Killer subordinate Dr. Jacob Land work together to cause a cholera outbreak in London just to get Holmes's attention. This outbreak results in nearly 150 deaths, including that of Holmes's friend Wiggins, just to make it personal. When Holmes confronts the two, Land delivers a Breaking Lecture, and taunts Holmes about Wiggins's death; Moran stabs Holmes with a syringe and leaves him to die.
  • Cave Story fanfic The Stranger I Knew: Dr. Fuyuhiko Date/The Doctor has his canon crimes expanded. After his human body is killed by Quote, Date possesses Quote's body, mind raping him, and kills Misery and Sue while Quote is Forced to Watch. Later, he threatens Santa's life to get Quote to spill his secrets, killing Santa when Quote doesn't comply. Revealing he has kidnapped Curly Brace's adopted children, he threatens them as well—it is later shown that he stuffed them and several other Mimigas in cages, forcing them to eat the corrupting red flowers by starving them until they eat the flowers from desperation, and making the corrupted ones eat each other and their loved ones. Finally, he tries to rape Curly and strangle her, and when she manages to kill him, he taunts her about having killed her beloved Quote in the process.
  • The Demolition duology, starring Corey Haim as Leonard "Lenny" Slater, has these terrorists:
    • Demolition High (1996): Luther and his right-hand woman Tanya are the heads of a terrorist squad only concerned with satisfying their bloodlust and lining their pockets with cash. Blowing up a weapons facility after stealing a small missile, Luther and Tanya plan to launch it into the Mayfield power plant, which would destroy the entire town unless the two get paid. Holding a high school hostage, Tanya kills several faculty members, students, and even her own men, hoping to kill everyone in their gang and keep the money for her and Luther. Luther tells a cornered Lenny Slater that he has planted explosives in the school should he try and detonate the missile, hoping to take everyone out with him.
    • Demolition University (1997): Sergeant Max Carver was a former Covert Ops soldier who was left behind by his superior, Officer Gentry, for being a sociopath. Seeking revenge, Carver decided to ally himself with an Iraqi splinter cell group led by Momad with the plan to sell out his country to the terrorists. Leading an attack at Fort Solomon, Carver has the soldiers there killed to steal a powerful virus, sealing one of his men inside to die after they accidentally infect themselves, later blowing the place up for good measure. Invading the Richfield water and power plant, Carver plans to infect the city's water supply with the virus unless Kalmed is released, holding the plant's employees and a college class hostage, even killing the plant's boss. Sexually harassing Momad's sister Elia every chance he gets, he instigates a shootout with the cops that leads to the death of her husband Kalmed, blaming the incident on Momad before attempting to kill him and keep Elia for himself.
  • Hellbenders: Surtr is a Destroyer Deity who seeks to kill God and eliminate all existence. When two agents of the Interfaith Augustine Order of Hellbound Saints are called to exorcise Surtr from a person, he psychologically torments and cripples one of them before possessing the other. Surtr's very presence spreads a Hate Plague throughout New York City, causing mass riots and brutal murders. Meanwhile, Surtr abducts 200 humans to be possessed by demons and assist him in his omnicidal ritual. After he mutilates a couple of inexperienced exorcists and tosses one into Hell, Surtr manipulates a Hellbound Saint who loved his host body in an attempt to switch to him.
  • Mechanical Violator Hakaider: Gurjev is the angelic dictator of Jesus Town, ruling it as a totalitarian state. A firm believer in The Evils of Free Will, Gurjev orders his State Sec to capture any dissenters for him to lobotomize—even innocent children—removing all of their emotions and willpower. Revealed to have been Hakaider's original creator, Gurjev saw the android as a "failure" and abandoned him, replacing him with an obedient and loyal weapon. After successfully massacring La Résistance, Gurjev tries to kill Hakaider even after the latter had spared his life.
  • Sukiyaki Western Django: Boss Kiyomori, "Henry", is the loud and violent leader of the red Heike clan, and a coward who prefers using his own men as human shields. Roaming from town to town searching for gold, upon discovering some in an unnamed town, he murders the mayor and establishes his business there, going on to form a violent rivalry with the white Genji clan once they arrive. After Akira stands up to him and tries to run away with the Genji Shizuka and their son Heihachi, Kiyomori shoots Akira In the Back and rapes Shizuka. Leading an attack on the Genji clan for their Gatling gun, Kiyomori later massacres several Genji clan members himself to take the town's gold, uncaring how many he kills as long as he comes out on top.
  • Victory Gundam: Prime Minister Fonse Kagatie, de facto ruler of the Zanscare Empire, exploits Queen Maria Armonia's Newtype cult to leave her as a figurehead to his dictatorship. Executing all commanders who fail their objectives and any dissidents, Fonse also uses Operation Giant Roller to attempt to wipe out all of Mexico. Creating the "Angel Halo", Fonse intended to eradicate life on Earth via psychic attack, powering it with Maria and later her innocent young daughter, as well as thousands of Newtype cultists by claiming their powers were broadcasting a message of peace. The connection to the Angel Halo also meant any attacks it received were redirected upon the Newtypes.
  • The Southern Book Club's Guide to Slaying Vampires, by Grady Hendrix: James Harris is a handsome, seductive vampire who uses a real estate scheme to charm communities while molesting and feeding off their children, warping their minds and eventually driving them to painful suicide before leaving the population economically devastated. When forced to stop feeding on a child by heroine Patricia Campbell, Harris covers his tracks by killing her mother-in-law by having her attacked and eaten by rats when she recognizes him, and convinces Patricia's husband she's mentally unwell. Resuming her investigation of him, it becomes apparent Harris has remained alive for four hundred years by feeding, keeping trophies from the children he kills, and later reveals he's been feeding off and grooming Patricia's daughter. Even while dying, Harris goes out a spiteful monster, giving Patricia's best friend a deadly immunodisease which painfully kills said friend.
  • Scorpion's Revenge: Quan Chi is a powerful sorcerer and the highest-ranking servant of the mad god Shinnok. Taking over the Netherrealm after Shinnok was imprisoned by the Elder Gods, Quan Chi keeps the realm as a hellish nightmare, where countless people get tortured for eternity. Hatching a plan to free Shinnok, Quan Chi impersonated Sub-Zero and led Lin Kuei to slaughter the whole clan of Shirai Ryu, personally killing Hanzo Hasashi's, aka Scorpion's, wife and child. Promising to resurrect Hanzo's family in exchange for the key to release Shinnok, Quan Chi sent him undercover to the Mortal Kombat tournament to act as his champion, and when Scorpion failed him by choosing to kill Sub-Zero instead, Quan Chi taunted him by revealing that he was the one who destroyed his family and clan.
  • The Original Series (Gold Key Comics):
    • Niklon, from "Dark Traveler", lived on a paradise planet where the population became decadent and lazy, where robots take care of everyone's needs and almost everyone lives a life of luxury. Niklon was put in charge of manufacturing these robots. Feeling like an underappreciated outcast due to his frail appearance, Niklon reprograms the robots and plans to use them to conquer the planet. Niklon has his robots destroy a major city to demonstrate his power and plans to enslave his world's population, forcing them to make more robots, while he lived a life of luxury. When his brother confronts him over his crimes, he has said brother thrown into a dungeon.
    • Captain Pete Flamm, from "And a Child Shall Lead Them", is a pirate captain who runs a Black Market mining operation. He convinces Klwama, the child ruler of an asteroid, to set up his mining operation on the asteroid. Flamm is mining for elements to create kurali, a highly addictive drug. Flamm gets the native population hooked on kurali and forces them to be slave labor in his mining operation. When Klwama and the Enterprise crew confront Flamm, Flamm and his crew turn their guns on the Enterprise crew and his own slaves, threatening to kill them if Kirk does not surrender.
    • Dr. Njam, from "A Bomb in Time", is a Federation scientist who decides to blackmail the Federation. Njam kills his colleague Dr. Lax and steals the N Cycle Bomb, a device that can blow up a planet. Njam gives the bomb to his colleague Professor Andres, a pacifist who hates the N Cycle Bomb, who uses time travel technology to go Earth in the past, to prevent the bomb from being used. Without Andres's knowledge, Njam sets the bomb to go off in 24 hours, demanding the Federation pay one billion credits, willing to kill billions in the past and trillions in the future, to satisfy his greed.
  • Dragalia Lost: The Doctor, the Arc Villain of the "Scars of the Syndicate" event, is a major figure of The Syndicate, a group dealing with shady fusion experiments. He and his group have raided many hamlets just to further their goals and to gather test subjects. He had a peculiar fixation to the term "evil"; he even describes it as sacrificing moral standing to further advance civilization. Failures such as the event character Aldred, from a botched fusion with the dragon Barbatos, are seen as rubbish to the Doctor. When Prince Euden gets involved, the Doctor tells him about a being of calamity, Aspidochelone, and proposes to have the Prince fuse with it. Euden declines and seeks to take it down, which meant taking out one of the Doctor's manticores with Aldred's help to access the lair; unfortunately for Aldred, said manticore was his sister. The Doctor later lures Euden and his group to a nearby village into a trap that creates a powerful barrier, just so he can make the proposal again. Once Aldred saves the group, the Doctor decides that if the Prince won't fuse with Aspidochelone, he'll just fuse himself with the fiend and take them on. He meets his end at the hands of Euden and Aldred, but not without telling them that his death will only further the Syndicate's goals.
  • Shoggy the Seldom Dog: "Shane the Shy" is a mastermind who decided the best way to do evil would be to subtly engineer disasters, wars or famines by deceiving adventurers and posing as a harmless middleman, then fleeing as disaster unfolds. Conning the party into unearthing historical documents that start a bloody war, then agricultural tools that cause famine via invasive flora, Shane flees while also framing them for murder and engineering other disasters such as a gold rush to lure a Red Dragon into a kingdom, or sponsoring aspiring warlords. Once the party eventually traps and interrogates him, they discover Shane does this not out of brainwashing or because of an evil deity, but because he woke up one morning and decided that it'd be amusing to devote himself to making the world miserable.
  • Shaktimaan: The Animated Series:
    • Kilvish was once a disciple of the Yogic Gurus, who he trained under alongside Shaktimaan. A bully obsessed with acquiring power through any means, Kilvish secretly began studying the dark arts, which he used to steal the souls of all of his and Shaktimaan's fellow students after Shaktimaan was chosen over him be the new Yogic Master. After setting up a lair in Indus City, Kilvish acquired a pair of henchmen named Tick and Tock, who he abuses and tortures whenever they annoy him or botch one of his plans to Take Over the World. Not caring what state the world is in so long as he controls it, Kilvish has sent various monstrosities on destructive rampages, bombed the ocean floor to cause earthquakes and tsunamis, and tried to melt the North Pole. Wanting to psychologically torment and demoralize Shaktimaan as well as destroy him, Kilvish has trapped Shaktimaan's loved ones in never-ending nightmares, tried to cause multiple subway crashes just to kill a few children who had formed a Shaktimaan Friends Club, and summoned a dragon to try and murder every child in Indus City. In the finale, Kilvish resorts to poisoning Shaktimaan's mind with illusions of his worst fears, all in an attempt to blind Shaktimaan with so much homicidal fury that he will become sloppy and leave himself open to being slain by Kilvish.
    • Doctor Jackol was a colleague of Professor Gyani, who turned him in to General D'Goze after he discovered that Jackol was selling weapons to terrorists on the Black Market. After escaping from prison, Jackol allies with Kilvish to get revenge on Gyani and D'Goze, being perfectly content to also help Kilvish spread his "darkness" all across the Earth. Jackol purposely tries to kill as many people as possible in his attempts on Gyani and D'Goze's lives, which have involved trying to crash a crowded airplane that Gyani happened to be aboard, and making Mt. Indus erupt, not caring that the eruption would also wipe out all of Indus City. Jackol has also tried to nuke all of Indus City just to kill Shaktimaan; ordered that Human Shields be shot once he no longer had any use for them; lobotomized a man in order to turn him into a mindlessly destructive cyborg Super-Soldier; and threatened to release every "crazy killer" in a prison in order to draw out Gyani and D'Goze. Jackol treats Tick and Tock little better than Kilvish, frequently using them as unwilling test subjects for his experiments, and at one point going as far as to abandon them to die in the erupting Mt. Indus.
  • Atreus was the king of Mycenae, the son of Pelops and Hippodamia, and the father of Agamemnon and Menelaus. Accounts vary, but in some cases he, and his brother Thyestes, killed his half-brother out of jealousy. When his wife, Aerope, helped Thyestes take the throne, Atreus killed Aerope, and with the help of Hermes and Zeus, retook the throne. Despite this, upon learning of Aerope's adultery with Thyestes, he went further with his revenge, killing Thyestes's young sons. During a supposed reconciliation dinner, Atreus then tricked Thyestes into eating the flesh of his own sons and taunted him with their hands and feet, thus violating xenia like his grandfather, the aforementioned Tantalus. He then forced his brother into exile for eating the flesh of a human, despite him being unaware of that. Following Thyestes's capture by Agamemnon and Menelaus several years later, Atreus ordered seven-year-old Aegisthus, the son of Thyestes and Thyestes's own daughter, to kill Thyestes. In a family notorious for its multiple cases of incest, violence, and revenge, Atreus stood out by the sheer violence he was capable of and the joy he found in hurting his brother, all for the sake of revenge.
  • English Folklore: The witch Black Annis is a fiendish creature known through Leicester(shire) as a predator of children. Lurking in the shadows, Annis relishes the fear of her prey before hunting them, taking the children she finds, draining their blood and flaying them with her claws before feasting upon them and wearing their tanned skins as her trophies.
  • Isla, from season 7's "Flower Child", is a spoiled aristocrat who despises magical beings. For her genocide crusade, Isla seemingly befriends the young Gothel, only to have her humiliated and bullied and has the tree nymphs' home invaded, ordering the slaughter of all magical beings, including Gothel's family, and leading to the creation of the land without magic. With Gothel driven to villainy through her actions, the indirect consequences of Isla's cruelty cause further turmoil throughout the work.

Literature

  • The Jungle Book novelization The Strength of the Wolf is the Pack, by Scott Peterson & Joshua Pruett: Shere Khan is even worse than in the film. Having killed Mowgli's father when Mowgli was a baby, Khan wants to kill Mowgli as well as an act of revenge for having been burned by his father. When the wolves try to send Mowgli to the man village, Khan murders their leader and Mowgli's adoptive father, Akela. He threatens to kill the wolf pups if Raksha displeases him. When a jackal provides Khan with useful information, Khan kills him just for asking for scraps of food in return. When Mowgli returns, Khan nearly kills Baloo and Bagheera to get to him, and taunts him about having killed both of his fathers.
  • A Twisted Tale (by publication date):
    • Once Upon A Dream: Maleficent is the cruel, dark mistress of all evil in the story, dedicated to tormenting Aurora and prolonging her own life. After her original plan to curse Aurora when she was a baby to die on the day of her 16th birthday fails, Maleficent, struck dead by Prince Phillip, uses the last of her energy to trap the minds of Aurora and the entire kingdom in a dream world until Maleficent can gain power to possess Aurora's body. Rejuvenating herself by brutally murdering people in the dream world—which kills them in the real world—and using their blood in rituals, Maleficent eventually drops the façade of the dream world, indulging in full-on slaughter of dozens of people for both their life forces as well as just for fun. Though seeming to have gained the slightest hint of care for Aurora during their time in the dream world, Maleficent ultimately rejects these feelings, murdering Aurora's parents and killing innocent people just to torment her while mocking the woman over her coming fate as Maleficent's bodyjacked puppet.
    • As Old as Time: Monsieur D'Arque, full name Frédéric D'Arque, is the owner of the local Bedlam House whose history goes back with Belle's own father Maurice. D'Arque, a member of the supernatural charmante people, hates his own people and experiments to take out the magical parts of himself to embrace his delusional idea of pure-blooded humanity. In his asylum, D'Aarque subjects the charmantes to hideous experimentation for years on end to "torture the magic out of them", implementing 11th-century torture tactics in his research and cheerfully apathetic to the number of charmantes who die either from torture or suicide. D'Arque is willing to use his scientific technique to endorse the king and queen's intended Final Solution across France, and although he claims he would never harm a human, D'Arque is so lost in his own hatred he murders his best friend Alaric and unhesitatingly tries to do the same to his other old friend Maurice.
    • Part of Your World: Ursula the Sea-Witch, after bewitching Prince Eric into marrying her human guise of Vanessa and keeping King Triton as a defeated trophy, intends on expanding her kingdom via bloody warfare with no care of countless civilians dead. Realizing she lacks her powers on land and with Queen Ariel undermining her, Ursula uses the dark powers she gained from a book of Carcosa and the Elder Gods, intending to sacrifice countless innocents. Deciding to commit genocide on the Merpeople and summon the Elder Ones with Triton and thousands of innocents as her sacrifice, Ursula unleashes death upon the nation, gloating over the pain and suffering of Eric and Ariel's people.

Edited by ACW on May 4th 2020 at 6:30:49 AM

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#212290: May 3rd 2020 at 11:40:37 AM

@acw: For James Harris. Patricia's friend is female so it should end with her rather then him.

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#212291: May 3rd 2020 at 11:59:32 AM

In the last IP thread for Monster.Hellboy, it was suggested to move the old pic to ImageLinks.Complete Monster.

I wasn't able to get a higher-quality version until now due to the libraries shutting down, but better late than never, I suppose:

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/hberzsebet.png

The image is intentionally fuzzy, so it's not going to get any better than that. This is ripped straight from the DVD.

Edited by Primis on May 3rd 2020 at 11:59:47 AM

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#212292: May 3rd 2020 at 12:24:33 PM

I really don't want to cut Norton since I'm not sure how mitigating it is, so I'll just sit this one out.

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#212294: May 3rd 2020 at 12:38:07 PM

Some pothole suggestions:

And that's all I can think of right now.

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#212295: May 3rd 2020 at 12:43:52 PM

For Harris. I would prefer using Face of an Angel, Mind of a Demon around handsome instead really 700 years old.

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#212296: May 3rd 2020 at 12:46:43 PM

For Carver, Sociopathic Soldier works fine. Or if his troops hate him, The Neidermeyer.

Edited by SkyCat32 on May 3rd 2020 at 3:49:29 PM

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#212299: May 3rd 2020 at 1:39:28 PM

I also do not want to weigh in on Norton right now. Add me to the list of people who have also not seen that movie at this time. That would be one reason why I do not want to give an opinion on whether he should stay or go.

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