Needs Help: Good People Have Good Sex

Well what is good sex? Does is it mean that the experience is pleasurable? Does it mean that the relationship is healthy and loving? Does it mean vanilla sex for the purpose of procreation? For example, James Bond is portrayed as a Sex God, but I wouldn't exactly call his sexual encounters healthy and loving.

If anything I think the Bad People Bad Sex idea is more tropeworthy than the inverse just because good sex is often the norm in media unless they're trying to make the character seem like a loser or something. Meanwhile, them going out of their way to show the villain is a bad lover seems more like an actual thing and not just a loose connection, which the current trope feels like to me.

That's a good point.

Good people having good sex life is not a trope, it's just natural. Bad people having poor sex life can be noteworthy, but I don't see enough cases of it in the wick check stats.

What about good people having bad sex, and bad people having good sex?

Then you're probably dealing with a work that believes Evil Is Sexy, but if it's not something that pops up in the wicks we can't really worry about it here.

I'm going to point out for future reference that if you peek at the wick check, pretty much all of "the hero has good sex" examples are extremely bare and formatted like "X and Y have a healthy sex life and are also heroes".

Which is why I am opposed to it getting split by itself.

I also never found any wicks that fit Good people having bad sex and vice versa, closest thing were the two cases of "The Hero is loveless, the villain has lots of sex".

To be clear I agree that the trope as is should probably just be cut, and that any good concepts should probably be yarded. I should've said that before instead of arguing over which concepts were tropeworthy.

right, I was going to chime in that looking at the wick check there are only 7 (possible) examples that even reflect a contrast between the heroes and the villains which isn't enough for a rewrite/salvage on its own.

I do agree though that "heroes have (good) sex" in of itself isn't tropeworthy, but that the idea of villains being either sexual deviants or having sex lives that are shown/implied to be unfulfilling for them and/or their partners is more tropeworthy. Like a counterperspective on Villainous Aromantic Asexual and Straight Edge Evil that still keeps the idea of "Sex Is Good and therefore only bad people either don't partake or do it poorly/strangely" that underlies both of those tropes

I'd support cutting/disambig-ing the page and yarding the "bad people have bad sex" idea

Edited by amathieu13 on Sep 24th 2022 at 2:30:56 PM

If it matters, we previously renamed and retooled Villainous Aromantic Asexual into No Love for the Wicked.

Would these be our options for a crowner?

• Define as a trope for heroes having better sex lives than villains, and possibly rename. (Whether to rename would be decided with a separate crowner.)
• Define as a trope for villains having bad sex lives, and possibly rename. (Whether to rename would be decided with a separate crowner.)

Did I miss anything?

there were talks that the entire idea is not tropeworthy, so that would probably be a cut or disambig

Also, I'm not sure either of those options can actually happen since there aren't enough wicks in the wick check to support it. Wouldn't we have to yard those ideas or send it to the TLP?

Yeah, we can Yard them, so I'll hook a crowner for disambiguating and Yarding.

I just found Sexual Karma, and that seems to be just a broader version of the "good people have good sex, villains have bad sex" concept.

You know, Sexual Karma seems to be just what we've been mostly talking about.

We can disambiguate between Sex God and Sexual Karma in that case. The part about redirecting to Sex Tropes was a fallback if we didn't have anything other than Sex God to list on a disambiguation page.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Sep 26th 2022 at 11:46:37 AM

"Better Person, Better Sex Life" might work as a name for the "heroes have better sex than villains" concept. Honestly, I don't think Sexual Karma is the same thing. That seems to be more about rewarding good people with partners they desire and punishing bad people with partners they don't desire. That being said, I'm all for adding it to the disambig.

Edited by ImperialMajestyXO on Sep 27th 2022 at 7:59:11 AM

Disambiguated; I moved the examples to Sandbox.Good People Have Good Sex for anyone who wants to send Salvage Yard entries to TLP.

Here are the wicks.

Edit: Made the Salvage Yard entries.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Sep 29th 2022 at 5:05:22 AM

Archiving the wick check:

Good People Have Good Sex is supposed to be (at least according to the description and chosen image) about a juxtaposition of good and enjoyable sex had by the hero(es), contrasted, with the evil character's lousy, gross sex. However, there seems to be a pattern of misuse where the trope is mostly used to just describe "good person is also good at sex", "the hero is a Sex God", or even just "people have sex".

Wicks to Check: 50/50

And archiving another wick check I found, which I think is separate from the one the thread used:

Good People Have Good Sex suffers from issues such as ZCEs and a somewhat unclear definition (especially with regards to whether or not contrast between good and bad peoples' sex lives is needed to qualify as an example), so here's a wick check for the impending TRS. Checked 50 of the 1,061 wicks (one is listed twice due to having multiple uses on the same page).

So we have 6 or 12 good examples (depending on how the trope is defined), 37 examples that need more context and are possibly misuse, 6 that are definitely misuse, and 6 that are unclear and probably misuse - and even several of the "good" examples are in need of additional context. This trope definitely needs some help.

Good People Have Good Sex has gone Out with a Bang, so locking up.