If anything I think the Bad People Bad Sex idea is more tropeworthy than the inverse just because good sex is often the norm in media unless they're trying to make the character seem like a loser or something. Meanwhile, them going out of their way to show the villain is a bad lover seems more like an actual thing and not just a loose connection, which the current trope feels like to me.
That's a good point.
Good people having good sex life is not a trope, it's just natural. Bad people having poor sex life can be noteworthy, but I don't see enough cases of it in the wick check stats.
What about good people having bad sex, and bad people having good sex?
Then you're probably dealing with a work that believes Evil Is Sexy, but if it's not something that pops up in the wicks we can't really worry about it here.
I'm going to point out for future reference that if you peek at the wick check, pretty much all of "the hero has good sex" examples are extremely bare and formatted like "X and Y have a healthy sex life and are also heroes".
Which is why I am opposed to it getting split by itself.
I also never found any wicks that fit Good people having bad sex and vice versa, closest thing were the two cases of "The Hero is loveless, the villain has lots of sex".
To be clear I agree that the trope as is should probably just be cut, and that any good concepts should probably be yarded. I should've said that before instead of arguing over which concepts were tropeworthy.
right, I was going to chime in that looking at the wick check there are only 7 (possible) examples that even reflect a contrast between the heroes and the villains which isn't enough for a rewrite/salvage on its own.
I do agree though that "heroes have (good) sex" in of itself isn't tropeworthy, but that the idea of villains being either sexual deviants or having sex lives that are shown/implied to be unfulfilling for them and/or their partners is more tropeworthy. Like a counterperspective on Villainous Aromantic Asexual and Straight Edge Evil that still keeps the idea of "Sex Is Good and therefore only bad people either don't partake or do it poorly/strangely" that underlies both of those tropes
I'd support cutting/disambig-ing the page and yarding the "bad people have bad sex" idea
Edited by amathieu13 on Sep 24th 2022 at 2:30:56 PM
If it matters, we previously renamed and retooled Villainous Aromantic Asexual into No Love for the Wicked.
Would these be our options for a crowner?
- Define as a trope for heroes having better sex lives than villains, and possibly rename. (Whether to rename would be decided with a separate crowner.)
- Define as a trope for villains having bad sex lives, and possibly rename. (Whether to rename would be decided with a separate crowner.)
Did I miss anything?
there were talks that the entire idea is not tropeworthy, so that would probably be a cut or disambig
Also, I'm not sure either of those options can actually happen since there aren't enough wicks in the wick check to support it. Wouldn't we have to yard those ideas or send it to the TLP?
Yeah, we can Yard them, so I'll hook a crowner for disambiguating and Yarding.
Hooked a crowner, but I left the possibility of just redirecting to Sex Tropes because I didn't see too many disambiguation targets looking back through the thread.
I just found Sexual Karma, and that seems to be just a broader version of the "good people have good sex, villains have bad sex" concept.
You know, Sexual Karma seems to be just what we've been mostly talking about.
We can disambiguate between Sex God and Sexual Karma in that case. The part about redirecting to Sex Tropes was a fallback if we didn't have anything other than Sex God to list on a disambiguation page.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Sep 26th 2022 at 11:46:37 AM
"Better Person, Better Sex Life" might work as a name for the "heroes have better sex than villains" concept. Honestly, I don't think Sexual Karma is the same thing. That seems to be more about rewarding good people with partners they desire and punishing bad people with partners they don't desire. That being said, I'm all for adding it to the disambig.
Edited by ImperialMajestyXO on Sep 27th 2022 at 7:59:11 AM
Calling in favor of disambiguating. Since we're Yarding the tropeworthy concepts, feel free to compile salvageable examples in sandboxes.
Disambiguated; I moved the examples to Sandbox.Good People Have Good Sex for anyone who wants to send Salvage Yard entries to TLP.
Edit: Made the Salvage Yard entries.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Sep 29th 2022 at 5:05:22 AM
Archiving the wick check:
Good People Have Good Sex is supposed to be (at least according to the description and chosen image) about a juxtaposition of good and enjoyable sex had by the hero(es), contrasted, with the evil character's lousy, gross sex. However, there seems to be a pattern of misuse where the trope is mostly used to just describe "good person is also good at sex", "the hero is a Sex God", or even just "people have sex".
Wicks to Check: 50/50
- VideoGame.Mother 3: Good People Have Good Sex: PG-Rated example. Many adult occupants of Tazmily village are married, happy to be so, remain faithful, and have children. Porky, on the other hand, has his "Fans" to keep him company. It's PG rated, but the bases seem covered.
- Saga: Good People Have Good Sex: Marko and Alana are shown to have healthy libidos and a pleasantly kinky sex life, even continuing to have sex while Alana is pregnant. By contrast, Prince Robot IV is first introduced as he fails to get it up while having sex with his wife, and he blows several months having emotionally empty sex with prostitutes on Sextillion after being shot by Heist. The Will, meanwhile, also travels to Sextillion on Wreath High Command's tab, only to be bored out of his wits with its offerings until someone made the fatal mistake of trying to sell him an underaged Sex Slave. Lampshaded by Oswald Heist, who explains that the title of his book The Opposite of War actually refers to sex; the pacifist Marko and Alana have a loving sex life, which the more hawkish characters don't. Straight example that fits things well, although it goes on a bit too long.
- Series.Wildflower 2017: Good People Have Good Sex: Lily and Diego finally have sex during their honeymoon. Their love scene is portrayed as romantic and passionate, unlike that of Raul (who is a serial-cheater) and Natalie (her relationship with Jepoy is non-consensual due to the fact that she is forcing him to be in a relationship with her). Straight example that fits things well.
- Webcomic.White Angels Get No Rest: Good People Have Good Sex: The sex Yeonhwa has with Yeon-young during her period of being a Retired Monster is wholesome and gentle. The sex that she has with Dahye after getting back into her old ways is violent and rough with Safe, Sane, and Consensual being optional. This is a weird one... as the contrast is between the same character, just at different times.
- Kakos Industries: Good People Have Good Sex: Incredibly subverted. Those who submit themselves to Evil will have a fulfilling and adventurous sex life while those they would consider Good are hinted to have "gave it up". ''' "
- Daredevil S1 E8 "Shadows in the Glass": Good People Have Good Sex: Inverted. Matt's been knowingly avoiding the Cartwright Curse, while Wilson Fisk celebrates his night with Vanessa by declaring open war on "the Devil of Hell's Kitchen". "Lovelessness" vs "Good sex" example.
- Literature.Garden Of Shadows: Good People Have Good Sex: Garland and Alicia's loving sexual relationship stand in direct contrast to Malcolm and Olivia's cold, loveless marriage. Olivia, learning this, feels cheated. "Lovelessness" vs "Good sex" example.
- Characters.New Gods New Genesis: Good People Have Good Sex: A Running Gag in Justice League International are the allusions to Scott and Barda's very active and happy sex life. No mention of a juxtaposition or contrast for "bad sex".
- Series.Jane The Virgin: Good People Have Good Sex: Deconstructed in Chapter Forty-Seven. Jane and Michael finally have sex, but Jane is having trouble reaching orgasm, with their further attempts just getting more awkward. Jane realizes her feelings about losing her virginity are complicated, feeling like she has lost a part of her identity and struggling to separate sex from being sinful. After communicating her feelings to Michael, they are able to have better sex. It's here because the "deconstruction" is of the "Heroes have good sex" misuse rather than the actual definition of the trope.
- Creator.Elvira Mistress Of The Dark: Good People Have Good Sex: When Elvira seduces Adrian in the barn and they have sex, it's romantically tender and implied to be satisfactory. Subverted later on when Adrian bursts through a door to rescue Elvira and an already freed Elvira tells him that he came too late "again". Implying that he's not so skilled in the lovemaking. No mention of a juxtaposition or contrast for "bad sex", the subversion of of this misuse.
- Fanfic.Thousand Shinji: Good People Have Good Sex: Subverted. Although Asuka and Shinji are not nice people in this story, they ARE fighting to save humanity, and they have passionate sex. A subversion of the incorrect definition in this folder.
- LightNovel.Arifureta From Commonplace To Worlds Strongest: Good People Have Good Sex: Or anti-heroic people, Hajime and Yue have a very active sex life, to the point that it's a Running Gag that involves the both of them getting lost in each other's eyes over small praise. For the most part, if the other party members aren't there to stop these moments, things will quickly escalate beyond skinship. No mention of a juxtaposition or contrast for "bad sex".
- Avialae: Good People Have Good Sex: Zig-zagged. During Gannet and Bailey's first few sexual encounters, Gannet notes that Bailey's total lack of sexual experience is very obvious but also that his eagerness still makes the sex extremely pleasurable. However, they then go through a period where they have to abort several attempts at sex due to Bailey failing to get aroused until they realize that it's because Bailey is demisexual and can get into sex only if it feels emotionally meaningful to him. Even after they become comfortable enough in their relationship to have great sex on a regular basis, their attempts at sex in Ch. 5 get repeatedly thwarted by Gannet's body being too sore from his exercise regimen (and once, by Gannet accidentally smacking Bailey in the face with one of his wings). No mention of a juxtaposition or contrast for "bad sex". Only Zig zags if you are using this definition.
- Bluey: Good People Have Good Sex: A G-rated version: when Bandit and Chilli kiss, the animation slows, the sun shines and beautiful music plays. No mention of a juxtaposition or contrast for "bad sex"... er... kissing, I suppose.
- Heartwarming.HERZ:In episode 2 Asuka wakes up from a violent nightmare and starts to cry. Then Shinji embraces her and she feels better. As he washes her face – blood is dripping from her blind eye – she asks him if he thinks she is ugly. Shinji looks at her, thinking she is his child's mother and his life's love and answers "Of course not". They hug again, Asuka begs him not to leave her, and he whispers in her ear that he has always been hers. Then they make love. Chained sinkhole aside, this, as stated, doesn't contain a juxtaposition or contrast.
- Film.Team America World Police: Good People Have Good Sex: Absolutely Subverted. Not only is the sex deeply uncomfortable to watch, especially the uncensored DVD version that goes so far as to include scat, but the hero only gets it by blatantly lying to her. No mention of a juxtaposition or contrast for "bad sex"... well, good sex in this case. Only a deconstruction of this misuse.
- Characters.The Weedverse Crystal Empire: Good People Have Good Sex: Cadance's sex life with Shining Armor is pretty healthy, much to their daughters' embarrassment. No mention of a juxtaposition or contrast for "bad sex"
- Characters.Pathfinder Iconics: Good People Have Good Sex: When Valeros meets up with Imrijka, this happens. So much so that even Merisiel can get jealous if Kyra isn't around. No mention of a juxtaposition or contrast for "bad sex"
- VideoGame.Crusader Kings II: Good People Have Good Sex: Spouses with "good" traits like each other and accordingly will produce more offspring. No mention of a juxtaposition or contrast for "bad sex"
- Characters.The Bridge Main Equestrians: Relationship Upgrade: She and Xenilla officially become a couple during the Heart’s Warming Special complete with a kiss and something more intimate. Pothole about "having good sex" without any contrast.
- Family of Choice: Shinji had brought it up earlier with Asuka during their first real date after they were fired, but Asuka said that using the term family probably wouldn't be appropriate for the two of them when you consider what they get up to every night. Pothole about "having good sex" without any contrast.
- AmericanDad.Tropes F To J: Stan and Francine seem to have a healthy, active sex life. Although Stan doesn't believe in the female orgasm. No mention of a juxtaposition or contrast for "bad sex"
- PlayingWith.Bigger Is Better In Bed: Bob, the hero of the story, has a great sex life because of his huge penis. Yet another pothole to refer to this definition.
- Outlander: Good People Have Good Sex: The sex between Claire and Jamie is a cornerstone of their relationship and is portrayed as not only physically satisfying but mentally and emotionally, as necessary as regular meals. No mention of a juxtaposition or contrast for "bad sex"
- JusticeLeague.Tropes A To L: Good People Have Good Sex: Heavily implied in "The Great Brain Robbery". Hawkgirl also is apparently particularly good at causing men to not be... restful. The first part is a ZCE, the second just says the Hawkgirl is good at sex, no juxtaposition or contrast.
- VideoGame.Island Saga: Good People Have Good Sex: Protag has the opportunity to have sex with each of his female companions after certain missions are completed. Nothing about morality or quality, just that the hero has a lot of sex.
- WesternAnimation.The Oblongs: Good People Have Good Sex: Bob and Pickles. It's what keeps their marriage together, and it helps Milo sleep. No mention of a juxtaposition or contrast for "bad sex", and no indication of the morality of the characters.
- PokemonResetBloodlines.Tropes F To M: If Chapter 25 is any indication, Norman and Caroline have a very fulfilling sex life. No mention of a juxtaposition or contrast for "bad sex", and no indication of the morality of the characters.
- Characters.Twin Peaks FBI: Good People Have Good Sex: Well, if there's any consolation to make up for the twenty-five years stolen from him, at least Cooper got to have a roll in the hay with Janey-E that was clearly enjoyable for both parties. No mention of a juxtaposition or contrast for "bad sex" and no indication of the morality of the characters.
- Series.Good Luck Charlie: Good People Have Good Sex: Well, that's how Charlie got there, and how a fifth kid was conceived. It's even lampshaded on occasion - usually by Teddy and PJ. No mention of a juxtaposition or contrast for "bad sex" and no indication of the morality of the characters.
- Literature.The Hate U Give: Good People Have Good Sex: Averted. Chris and Starr don't have sex because, as Chris points out when Starr tries to initiate it, she's traumatized, and not in the proper frame of mind to make such a big, potentially life-altering decision. So... people not having sex? This probably shouldn't even be listed then.
- Fanfic.Ronman The Barbarian: Good People Have Good Sex: Let's just say that Ronman and Kimila's first time was worth the wait. Just people having sex.
- Manga.Sweet Guilty Love Bites: Good People Have Good Sex: Claire and Kokoro are so into it after their Relationship Upgrade that their performance at work starts to suffer. Just people having sex... and it has negative issues too?
- Literature.The Lovers: Author Tract: Farmer is clearly on the side of Good People Have Good Sex against the puritan Big Brother. Misused pothole, should be Sex Is Good.
- Website.Overused Sci Fi Settings: In the future, everyone is good in bed. I have no idea what trope this is, but it's not this one.
- Literature.Indian Killer: Good People Have Good Sex: After he finds out that his girlfriend hates Indians, Reggie has angry sex with her for a week, for the sole purpose of the cosmic irony of her bearing an Indian child.
- Conversely John, upon finding a white man watching Asian porn, is disgusted by it. I have no idea what the contrast is here, Reggie has hate sex with his girlfriend... and John... hates it when people like those outside their race? Neither is acting like a good person here and the quality of the sex isn't mentioned at all.
- Emergency!: Good People Have Good Sex: The lyrics of "Beyond Games" invite the listener to invoke this trope, arguing that good sex shouldn't end at marriage. Should be Sex Is Good
- Castle.Tropes E To L: Good People Have Good Sex: It's hinted that both Castle and Beckett have at least slightly kinky tastes in the bedroom. The heroes are... kinky? Doesn't even relate to the health of their sex life, just that they are kinky.
- Webcomic.Dominic Deegan: Good People Have Good Sex: Donovan and Miranda Deegan ZCE
- Literature.Youth In Sexual Ecstasy: Good People Have Good Sex: Efren and Dhamar on their wedding night, also one of the main messages of the book is that sex with love is awesome. The first part is a ZCE, the second isn't really what this trope is exactly about and is a general statement.
- Fanfic.Come To Me With Remedies: Good People Have Good Sex: Fitz and the Doctor, when they finally get to it. Commented out ZCE.
- Funny.What You Meant To Me: Good People Have Good Sex: before this Hiccup says, "Oh fine! You can have your sex, you perverted gecko!" This shouldn't be on the funny page, or at least the trope entry shouldn't. As is, doesn't give any context.
- Recap.Iron Fist 2017 S 1 E 7 Felling Tree With Roots: Good People Have Good Sex: Having been raised in a monastery and taken a vow of celibacy, Danny is likely a virgin but there's no mention of him having any difficulties. ...What? This entry doesn't even mention him having sex, just that he doesn't have problems with it? ZCE...?
- Theatre.The Peony Pavilion: Good People Have Good Sex Pure ZCE
- Literature.Snuff: Good People Have Good Sex: Implied between Vimes and Sybil. Just names.
- DarthWiki.Yukari Is Free: Good People Have Good Sex Pure ZCE
- Roleplay.A Gents: Good People Have Good Sex: With very few exceptions (read: Matthew), everyone in A-GENTS is doing someone else. Already commented out for being a ZCE, would be a misuse with context.
- NoRealLife.Sex Sexuality And Rape Tropes: Good People Have Good Sex - Also a morality trope. Index
- Tropes A to G: Good People Have Good Sex Index
And archiving another wick check I found, which I think is separate from the one the thread used:
Good People Have Good Sex suffers from issues such as ZCEs and a somewhat unclear definition (especially with regards to whether or not contrast between good and bad peoples' sex lives is needed to qualify as an example), so here's a wick check for the impending TRS. Checked 50 of the 1,061 wicks (one is listed twice due to having multiple uses on the same page).
- Highlander III: The Sorcerer: * Good People Have Good Sex: Connor MacLeod has very passionate and romantic sex scenes with his past and present love interests. The villain, Kane, visits a hooker in a seedy inner city neighborhood whom he proceeds to physically abuse. Though it is not entirely clear from context that Connor is good.
- AliceSoft: * Good People Have Good Sex: Played mostly straight. If you are the hero and you act heroically, expect sex to be hot and steamy. If you act like a villain, the scenes you get will call you out on how much of a bastard you are. Furthermore, whenever a sex-scene involves a villain, it will inevitably involve a lot of pain and humiliation.
- Labyrinth: * Good People Have Good Sex: When Guilhem has sex with Alais, it's slow, loving and missionary style. When he has sex with Oriane, it's rough, quick and doggy style. This trope doesn’t get more blatant than that. Even though the potholes do the heavy lifting on this one.
- Grandmaster of Demonic Cultivation: Mo Dao Zu Shi: * Good People Have Good Sex: After they got together, the two have been enjoying a healthy and active sex life. As Lan Wangji puts it, "Everyday means everyday." A contrast to the other mentions of sex in the novel from the villanous characters, which are typically sketchy in some way. Though this example needs a little more context.
- Bigger Is Better in Bed: This trope is the reason why Compensating for Something is, by its very nature, an insult: everybody knows that a real man has a big penis (or at the very least, an average one). A heroic character, when his penis is mentioned (which isn't all that often, except by innuendo), will usually have a big one. Consequently, this is also the reason why villainous or loser characters are portrayed as having a small penis, or a small something else meant to represent a penis. It's a deficiency that makes them bad people, or at least not cool like the heroes are, and may be a key to their underlying motivation. By further extension, Good People Have Good Sex, to some degree because they're usually well-endowed. Expect many authors to give us the exact dimensions of this uberpenis, conjuring the mental image of a PoV-character either breaking out a measuring tape at a romantically inappropriate moment or somehow possessing their own finely-calibrated genitals. One of two uses on this page
- Second-Face Smoke: * Bucho in Desperado blows cigar smoke directly into his girl's mouth while she's kissing him. She runs off, coughing and cursing him. This is in stark contrast to the positively scorching love scene between the two main leads. Although it doesn't establish that the leads are good people
- The New Statesman: * Good People Have Good Sex: Inverted in more ways than one. Alan is an absolutely terrible person, and his kinky sexual tastes reflect this. However, he's also very poorly-endowed and absolutely terrible in bed. Strangely lists as inversion despite the fact that this is played straight according to the description
- Dragon Ball Z Abridged E 51: * If We Survive This: Krillin getting back time and again to desperately protect 18 from Cell (and later help her carry the injured 16 away), simply because she promised she and 16 were going to quit being villains, eventually has her promise to "rock his four-foot world" if they manage to live through their ordeal. Given the source material, it's almost certain that it's a Call-Forward to her making good on that promise.spoiler "They quit being villains" is enough context to make the fact that they are heroic clear'''
- Living As I Please As A Loli Demon King:
- Tsun-Tsun TzimTzum: * Good People Have Good Sex: While the Source is pretty open-minded, any form of sex that degrades and humiliates either of the parties, even if technically consensual, is implied to be of Lilith and certainly a favourite pastime of most of the villains. Though precisely how kinky you can be without risking The Corruption is, like many other things, a grey area.
- Cobra Mission: * Chivalrous Pervert: J.R. Sleeps around a lot, but seems to genuinely care for the women he beds, both as persons and as sex partners. Though not entirely clear on the sex being good.
- Smoking Hot Sex: * Seducing Dr Lewis starts with Gérmain remembering when all the good people from his olden days had good sex with their wives. Cue the entire town lighting a cigarette and taking a puff.
- Skin Horse: * Lampshaded Double Entendre: When the other sapient creations are having nightmares of their creators saying "I'm coming for you", Sweetheart asks if Nick has had nightmares about it... before realizing she should rephrase.
Dr. Lee: (Smirking) It never is.
- Ea Cycle: * Pre-Climax Climax: Val and Atara slip away before the final battle and have a good time.
- Ennui GO!: * Good People Have Good Sex: Implied; Doc describes Millie to be an "absolutely wild tiger in bed", meaning that they seem to still have an active sex life.
- Who Framed Roger Rabbit: * Then there's this lovely talk between Eddie and Jessica:
Jessica: My honey bunny was never very good behind the wheel.
Valiant: Better lover than a driver, huh?
Jessica: You'd better believe it, buster.
- Twilight: * Good People Have Good Sex: Played With. He and Bella have some issues with him bruising her during sex because he Does Not Know His Own Strength in the heat of the moment - Bella enjoys it just fine, but Edward feels guilty about hurting her accidentally. Once they are both immortal this trope is played straight and their sex is so good, Bella wonders how they will be able to stop constantly having sex, considering that vampires never get tired and don't even sleep.
- The Lives of Others * Good People Have Good Sex: Wiesler and Christa-Maria have loving sex; it's in contrast when Wiesler attempts to recreate that intimacy with a hooker. It doesn't work.
- Lies, Damn Lies, And Statistics: * Good People Have Good Sex: Shining and Cadance are Happily Married, and their sex life is equally happy, to their foals' embarrassment. Shining's narration occasionally gets sidetracked into reminiscence.
- Sandra and Woo: * Innocent Innuendo:
- Skyrim: Main Characters: * Good People Have Good Sex: If you get married and go to sleep with your spouse (either because you're at the house or you're traveling with them), you get the "Lover's Comfort" buff, where the Dragonborn is in such a good mood that skill-building becomes a lot easier for a while. The buff is unavailable if your Dragonborn is a werewolf, but the possibility of it implies this trope regardless.
- Free-Love Future: * Reconstructed: Sandra, wanting to sleep with John, lies about wanting a monogamous marriage with the intention of breaking it off after sleeping with him. However when Sandra finally does have sex with John it's the best she's ever had because love and passion were actually involved. Because of this, and because of the trust John's placed in her, Sandra has a monogamous marriage with him for real. Hearing about this, other outcasts try associating sex with love as well. Eventually being monogamous is no longer seen as terrible or abnormal.
- Bigger Is Better in Bed: * Captive Prince: When Laurent sees the Tall, Dark, and Handsome Damen naked, he's taken aback and says "I see you are everywhere in proportion." And because Good People Have Good Sex, Damen's sexual prowess is shown and established several times in the story. One of two uses on this page
- Mayonaka Densha: * Good People Have Good Sex: Hatsune telling Tom about how she was brutally raped by a boy in her class two years ago is followed by Hatsune finally admitting her feelings for Tom and the two of them having loving, passionate sex.
- Frasier: ** Also, to be entirely fair to Niles, it's heavily implied in the series that his physical ineptitude is largely psychosomatic; throughout the series, he's shown prowess in fencing, marksmanship, kickboxing, lovemaking, and other areas that prove that he isn't nearly as weak or clumsy as he thinks he is.
- Bingo Love: * Good People Have Good Sex: Hazel's love life with Mari is considered genuinely more fulfilling than with either of their ex-husbands. A bonus story reveals the two take the liberty of getting tested and learning about the proper ways to have safe sex to make their experiences more enjoyable once they were able to be together.
- Fuzoroino Renri: * Good People Have Good Sex: Despite getting together by chance and Iori only going out with males before, main couple has a very active sexual life.
- Citadel Of The Heart Unova: * Good People Have Good Sex: Beginning with Chapter 30, he becomes sexually active with Bianca.
- New Gods – New Genesis: * Good People Have Good Sex: His spinoff series frequently showed him and Barda being sexually active, with a baby eventually resulting from it.
- DCEU: Smallville and Metropolis: * Good People Have Good Sex: Implied when Clark slips into the bathtub with Lois.
- 1632: * Good People Have Good Sex: Jeff and Gretchen, in their first night as a married couple. Unlike her previous sexual encounters with the mercenaries she and her extended family were camp followers to, the narration notes how she gave her virginity, in a non-physical sense, to Jeff.
- Fallout: Equestria: * Good People Have Good Sex: With Homage, of course.
- Harry Potter Shipping: ** It's been pointed out to me that the version I posted above is somewhat abridged due to the censorship policy of the host site. After a little bit of digging, I've found the original version here. Be warned, there are several passages which can safely be considered NC-17. Very nice writing either way. You're not missing out on anything storywise by going with the edited version; it just depends on your own preferences. Do you take your stories Lighter and Softer? Or just a little bit more risque? Or a bit more risque? Or even something just a bit more than that?
- Dragon Age: * Massive Constitution [[labelnote:explanation]]Gaining approval with party members gives them bonuses in their most important stats. For Alistair, that's Constitution, which gives more Hit Points. The meme comes from the massive approval spike after progressing far enough into his romance to sleep with him, which often puts him over the line to get the "Massive Constitution" bonus (+6 to the stat) and lends itself to double entendres galore. ZCE pothole.
- Instrument of God: * Good People Have Good Sex
- Ketrin: * Good People Have Good Sex Is commented out on the page.
- City Slickers: * Good People Have Good Sex: Mitch and Barbara. "No...you make me happy—'here'."
- Hates Being Touched: * Rogue: A variation with the title character; she dislikes her friends touching her and used to flee from Gambit when he'd get too cozy. This is not because she has a phobia of being touched, but due to her mutation, she risks putting them in a coma or killing them. One time Rouge got handed a baby while she had her gloves off and completely freaked out. Rogue actually yearns for physical contact, though. When her mutation is nullified, Rogue is very familiar with her teammates (including kissing Bishop), but especially with Gambit. ZCE pothole.
- Here In My Arms: * Good People Have Good Sex: Tsukune and his lovers share some wonderful times.
- The Labyrinth of Grisaia: * Good People Have Good Sex: Once you’ve got mutual feelings going, sex is apparently supposed to follow soon after. And lots of it too. Mind you, mutual feelings don’t necessarily need to be romantic love. There's one notable exception: After Asako dies, the sex between JB and Yuuji is incredibly self destructive and poor. It was an awful, awful idea. Sounds more like Everybody Has Lots of Sex.
- Jack-of-All-Trades: * Good People Have Good Sex: Avoided in the Marquis de Sade episode. Bondage =/= evil. Sounds more like an aversion of Bondage Is Bad, and also a bit of a ZCE.
- Scar Tissue: * Good People Have Good Sex: Subverted during the months prior to Asuka hospitalizing Shinji. Asuka and Shinji, while both fundamentally good, are also severely traumatized, and one way this manifested was that Asuka used Shinji for sex whenever she felt like it, but didn't allow him to touch her. These rapes sickened both of them, but Asuka couldn't bring herself to stop. I don't think this is using "subverted" correctly.
- Konchuki: * Good People Have Good Sex: Subverted, as Oka and Kajimi try to have consensual sex but are both so clumsy it still comes off as him being too hasty and molesting her and her accidentally killing him out of primal instincts. Again, misuse of "subverted".
- Jane the Virgin: * Good People Have Good Sex: Deconstructed in Chapter Forty-Seven. Jane and Michael finally have sex, but Jane is having trouble reaching orgasm, with their further attempts just getting more awkward. Jane realizes her feelings about losing her virginity are complicated, feeling like she has lost a part of her identity and struggling to separate sex from being sinful. After communicating her feelings to Michael, they are able to have better sex. Not sure how this is "deconstruction" and seems too convoluted to be an example.
- Book of Proverbs: * Good People Have Good Sex: Proverbs 5:15-19 tells men not to let their "streams" be dispersed abroad, but let them be for their own (most likely a metaphor for discouraging sexual immorality), that they should "let [their] fountains be blessed, and rejoice with the wife of [their] youth," to "let her be as the loving deer and pleasant doe; let her breasts satisfy you at all times; and always be enraptured with her love." Seems to be about telling people how to have sex, not people actually having it.
- Video Games: ** While some of the NSFW scenes in the DX version are entirely tasteful and run along the lines of Good People Have Good Sex, unless you're into rape and bizarre hentai works, others among them instead feature surprisingly nasty and unpleasant scenarios with Alternate Reality Episode glimpses and gratuitous hallucinations of your beloved heroines getting gangraped and abused (or the inversion, the demons themselves are raped by humans, including Aka) as your "reward" for unlocking the episode. This can easily turn expectation of incoming sex scenes into something of a minefield - you're never quite sure whether you'll see one of your girls get some deserved love or suffer a horrible, heartbreaking fate.note Not entirely sure if I follow this one.
- Jane The Virgin S 3 E 3 Chapter Forty Seven: * Good People Have Good Sex: Played with. The good Jane doesn't have such a good experience her first time, having to fake an orgasm, and she and Michael take time finding their groove as a couple. On the flipside, the villainous Rose has a very healthy sex life with Luisa. Jane and Michael later get their groove back. Sounds like an inversion.
- The One I Love Is...: * Good People Have Good Sex: Shinji had sex with Rei and later Asuka when they needed comforting each other. It is depicted as a tender, heart-warming moment where they tried to take care of each other. Feels like this is a different trope.
- The Guest: * Good People Have Good Sex: Deconstructed, just like numerous other tropes related with the all-American hero archetype. David is having good sex, but the film till this point has made it more than clear that he's a dangerous sociopath, and the sex itself comes with a twist about how unhinged he is during it. Is it a deconstruction? It sounds like a bad person having good sex, which is an inversion, though the example isn't entirely clear.
- Nymphomaniac * Good People Have Good Sex: Invoked, as Joe's old friend finds love and thus defects from their satanic cult. Is "having good sex makes you leave a cult" really an example of this trope?
- The Difference Engine: * Good People Have Good Sex: Kind of. Lord and Lady Byron have BDSM sessions and so on, while Mallory and Hetty had a very romantic night. On the other hand, Mallory's night with a Native American widow is very much Fan Disservice, for himself included. Missing context, and seems to be Zigzagged at best.
So we have 6 or 12 good examples (depending on how the trope is defined), 37 examples that need more context and are possibly misuse, 6 that are definitely misuse, and 6 that are unclear and probably misuse - and even several of the "good" examples are in need of additional context. This trope definitely needs some help.
Good People Have Good Sex has gone Out with a Bang, so locking up.
Crown Description:Good People Have Good Sex is in bad shape and concerns have been raised over whether it's tropeworthy. What should be done with it?
Well what is good sex? Does is it mean that the experience is pleasurable? Does it mean that the relationship is healthy and loving? Does it mean vanilla sex for the purpose of procreation? For example, James Bond is portrayed as a Sex God, but I wouldn't exactly call his sexual encounters healthy and loving.