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"... That's not funny."
Randy Marsh, South Park


South Park makes its name in offending its audience and Crossing The Line Twice. However, it can only go so far before it begins offending people for the wrong reason.


A special note for South Park: as mentioned under the Awesome Moments page, the show really does make a sincere effort to offend everyone, so if you laughed at everything else but then suddenly got offended when something you liked became the target, the problem might not be with Matt and Trey. We won't just up and delete your entry, of course, but you should be prepared to do even more explaining than usual about why it's a DMoS.

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     Season 1- 5 
  • Koopa Kid 17: The resolution of the A-plot in "Quintuplets 2000" rubbed me the wrong way. From out of nowhere, the eponymous quints give huge reason you suck speeches to everyone involved. They see Stan, Kyle and Cartman as the worst offenders because of their ignorance on Romanian culture, their assumptions that America is so much better than everybody else and their wanting to perform circus acts. Okay, who in their right mind would expect an eight-year old American boy to know anything about Romania? It's not a country any kid their age would have reasonable understandings about.
  • Tropers/Achaemenid: The endless invocation of the Golden Mean Fallacy, and the way the show dresses up extremely banal and obvious political observations as some kind of "out of the mouths of babes" profundity. There's nothing objectionable about libertarian party member Stone pushing a libertarian agenda in and of itself, but the way in which the show pretends it's just "common sense" or objectively right is exceedingly obnoxious, as is it's Clooney-rivaling smugness when it does it. This reaches an absolute nadir in "Cartman's Silly Hate Crime 2000", where the kids come to the really intelligent observation that "hate crime" is a meaningless term, because to commit a crime against someone you have to hate them...which, when you give it a moment's thought, is utter bullshit. Bonus "dickhead" points for making the black characters their mouthpiece.
  • Twentington: "Scott Tenorman Must Die". Come the reveal that Cartman ground up his parents and fed them to him... that was just so ungodly creepy. I gave up on the series after that.
    • McJeff: I was bothered by the fact that Cartman confessed to a particularly deranged double murder in public, and everyone but Stan and Kyle stood around and did nothing while Stan and Kyle just said "Let's not make fun of Cartman anymore".
      • Tropers/{JRA} Agreed +1. One of the things that made Cartman a good character is yes he was a racist asshole, but he was at least likable and relatable. And I so wanted him to get revenge against Scott. But that moment was a complete jumping of the shark and Cartman has just become unbearable to watch on screen. Maybe it was the fact that I first saw this episode with my Dad, who wasn't exactly a fan of the show. I didn't exactly blame him for his reaction to the episode's ending.
    • SickBoy: Ugh, this episode did it for me too. The stupid thing is, the episode started out entertaining, as Cartman was finally getting his comeuppance after abusing everyone in the town for years. Scott was picking on Cartman and embarrassing him, giving him a taste of his own medicine, and what Cartman did in return practically defines Disproportionate Retribution. But what's worse than that is that he gets away with it scot-freenote . What he did would likely get anyone (even an 8 year old) institutionalized for life, but instead we get one of the biggest Karma Houdini moments on TV. The ending to that episode was truly disturbing and gruesome, and it's irredeemable for Cartman and for the writers. I couldn't look at the show the same way after that.
    • TV Sir 13: I agree with all of the above, but one thing that really irked me was the Radiohead subplot. Those of you who don't who know the band Radiohead is probably shouldn't be watching the show. Now, Cartman tricking Radiohead into believing that Scott has "ass cancer" is one thing, but Scott just ate his own parents unknowingly. What does Radiohead do when they see him crying, as any reasonable person would? They write him off as an uncool crybaby. Now remember that Scott practically idolizes Radiohead. This episode single-handedly demoted Cartman from my least favorite of the main boys to the worst character in the show. Yes, even worse than Towelie or Mr. Hankey.
  • Looney Luver: For me, "Cartmanland" was really Kyle's worst moment. Now, yes, I realize many shows Negative Continuity for humor, but in a series with Satan, God, and Jesus all hanging around like nobodies business, it seemed pathetically stupid and whiny of Kyle to bitch that God can't exist because Cartman gets a million dollars. Then he gets a haemorrhoid and complains more, and his parents read him the story of Job to help renew his faith, but they forget (like a lot of people seem to do) that the story ends on a high note with Job being rewarded twice over for his faith. Oh, and in the last 30 seconds, Kyle's faith is renewed because Cartman gets screwed over. Yep, apparently you know God exists when bad things happen to people you don't like.
    • chucknormie: Now while I think Kyle's whining in this episode would still not be great, it wouldn't be as bad if Cartman was, well, being Cartman. The problem is, in this episode he's not. The closest Cartman gets to the Moral Event Horizon is taunting Kyle and Stan in a TV commercial, which they respond to by trespassing on the private property he legally owns, pretty much out of spite. Kyle is the one who looks like the ungrateful asshole in this episode. As much as I like Kyle, I'm not a fan of Cartman vs. Kyle episodes, especially if they derail Kyle like this episode did.
  • Animeking 1108: I'm withdrawing "Jared Has Aides" in exchange for "Timmy 2000". While JHA had a mean-spirited ending, Trey and Matt at least subtly apologized for it in "My Future Self 'n Me". Why am I ripping on "Timmy 2000"? Because of the thinly veiled Take That! towards Phil Collins. While I may enjoy some of Collins' music, I am aware that his music is not for everybody. However, Trey Parker and Matt Stone's reason is more childish than any other time they've lampooned celebrities. They did it because they were bitter that "You'll Be in My Heart" beat "Blame Canada" for best song at the Oscars. I don't know about them, but I would be honored just to get nominated for something as big as the Oscars. As if that weren't blatant enough, every time Collins appeared on screen, he was grasping his Oscar. Wow, real subtle, guys. There was no reason for this aside from Parker and Stone being sore losers.

     Season 6- 10 
  • cartoonnetworkfan: The ending to "Jared Has Aides". Don't get me wrong, the rest of the episode was solid, and Cartman's subplot where he impersonates Butters was entertaining, but what kills it is the ending where Butters' parents physically abuse and beat up Butters. Just........what the hell was that? That wasn't a funny ending, that was just unpleasant to watch. This ending is way worse than "Stanley's Cup"'s ending. I know Butters is usually the Butt-Monkey or Chew Toy of the show, but he didn't deserve this! I am now convinced that Butters' parents are worse parents than Homer Simpson, Peter and Lois, and Mom and Dad from The Fairly OddParents!.
  • Fairfield: The very worst moment I ever saw in South Park's long-running anti-activist, pro-Status-Quo crusade, was "Butt Out". With little remorse, the creator's depict the tobacco companies, arguably the biggest mass-murderers on the planet, as friendly and forthcoming, and anti-smoking activists are shown as willing to kill children to make a point. This episode seems outright worthy of being sued for slander.
    • Raining Metal: Not to mention the Aesop of the episode was already done in the far more entertaining and effective "My Future Self 'n Me", which is to derail scare advertising. Maybe Parker and Stone have a hate-boner on Rob Reiner. Sadly, this was one of the first South Park episodes I watched front to back, and it turned me off the show until I knew that there were less shitty episodes in the series.
  • Tropers/Snailfish: I know "Good Times With Weapons" is a popular episode, but I'd just like to say this: Watching a child get horrifically injured, neglected, and then get literally pissed and shit on is not fucking funny! And people only complain when Family Guy does this stuff? This was one of the first episodes I watched, and it almost became the last.
    • Grumpy Old Man: This was mine also, for the same exact reasons. Parker and Stone seem to have a sick obsession with turning the completely sympathetic Butters into The Chew Toy, but this episode is by far the worst example of it. Sure, Butters does do petty things occasionally as "Professor Chaos", but even that's been characterized heavily as his frustrations of being a constant Butt-Monkey coming out.
    • Kent Allard: Mine as well. South Park thrives on Crossing the Line Twice, but even that cannot justify trying to present an innocent and sweet-natured child being traumatized physically to borderline Torture Porn levels and humiliated by our main characters (which includes Stan and Kyle who are supposed to be the heroic ones for crying out loud) as something to laugh at. To date this is the only episode I always skip because seriously, fuck you guys.
  • Tommy X: I would defend most of the episodes listed on this page, but not "Douche and Turd". Basically, the school has to vote for a new mascot after PETA complains about their mascot being a cow. Both Kyle and Cartman put joke options on the ballot; Kyle puts a Giant Douche on, and Cartman puts a Turd Sandwich on. Stan doesn't feel like voting because he thinks both candidates are stupid. His parents' dumbassery is expected, but then Kyle gets in on the action by calling Puff Daddy to intimidate Stan into voting. This by itself is just a blunder, but when Stan goes to vote, and votes for Turd Sandwich, Kyle gets on Stan's case... again, for not voting for Giant Douche, and tries to call over Puff Daddy again. Stan sees that his best friend is being a Jerkass, and decides to not vote and gets banished from town. When Stan is forced to leave, Kyle says all this can be ignored if Stan would just vote... for Giant Douche. Stan refuses, so Kyle spits on him. Kyle asked Stan "Whose friend are you?" when he should have been asking himself the same question. Kyle's worst moment in the whole series.
    • mikelarson479: I totally agree with you. "Douche and Turd" is perhaps the most overrated and disappointing episode in the whole of the series. It's also my third least favorite behind "Stanley's Cup" and "The China Probrem". I'll be the first to admit that it had a funny premise, but its execution was poor as hell. Aside from that, there is only so much good suspension of disbelief can do when one watches the show. I mean, the very idea that a town in this day and age would be so primitive, so barbaric, and so out-of-dare as to banish a 9-year-old boy simply for not voting is beyond ludicrous. And you are absolutely right; Kyle lost all the respect I had for him after that episode. He still isn't even close to regaining it. The final blow is when Stan returns from the PETA camp battered, wounded, and even shot in the shoulder, yet nobody seems to give two craps about his safety, even his own parents!
      • Covert: Don't forget the very end of this episode where Randy tells Stan his vote didn't matter after the PETA camp incident. I really wish Stan would've at least kicked Randy in the crotch for that, but then again, he isn't Cartman, so he definitely wouldn't do the far worse things the town deserved after that episode.
  • Scojobi Central: While I don’t normally get so worked up over cartoons and while I’m not pissed off about the fact that Chef was killed off in "The Return Of Chef", it's just that they handled it in the most terrifying and gruesome way they could think of. I know South Park is an adult show, but even South Park doesn’t usually show a death that gruesome for too long. I guess this was just their way of saying goodbye to Isaac Hayes (Rest in peace by the way). I feel that a better way to kill him off is to make a Heroic Sacrifice or to simply get killed from a gunshot wound, but they just went Up to Eleven with this one. I usually avoid this episode because of this moment.
  • Cabbit Girl Emi: Maybe because I think differently from other people, but "The Mystery of the Urinal Deuce" easily makes my worst episodes list. Why? Because Cartman manages to convince nearly everyone in school that Kyle was involved with 9/11 because "1/4 of the population is retarded". It's somewhat believable that some of the kids would be afraid of Kyle afterwards, but I draw the line at a van being outside his house because there is no way that the nation would know about or believe Cartman's lie that fast. There's also when the SWAT team busts in and captures Stan and Kyle while the latter was holding two jars of anthrax or something that some guy had. Seriously Trey and Matt, what do you have against my favorite character? And of course, there's the ending where Stan holds a gun up to Kyle's head before confessing that he was responsible... for taking a dump in the urinal. Why did Stan have to do that if he was going to confess?
  • Mister Vercetti: Because it has to be said, "Stanley's Cup", a shameless and thoroughly unpleasant Torture Porn directed at Stan, of all people. For Christ's sake, Stan ends up getting drug down the street by a tow truck not two minutes into the episode, and things only get worse for him from there, culminating in the pee-wee hockey team he's coaching getting beaten to a bloody pulp by the Detroit Red Wings and Nelson giving up on his battle with cancer as a direct result of this. Nothing in this episode happens without the express intent of causing Stan even more torment and humiliation (for context, all of this happens because Stan parked his bike on the sidewalk), and while the show tries its hardest to play all of it for comedy, by the end of the episode all you want to do is give poor Stan a hug and beat the living crap out of everyone responsible for putting him through this needless misery. For any viewer who likes Stan even the slightest bit, this episode is a nightmarish slog of an endurance test that'll have you wondering what the hell Matt and Trey were smoking when they came up with this one. If ever South Park had an equivalent to Spongebob's infamous "One Coarse Meal", this is it.


     Season 11- 15 
  • Sgt Frog 1: When Kyle lampshades the fact that every adult in South Park is Too Dumb to Live (His exact words were "Agh, the adults here are just as dumb as the ones back home!") in "Night of the Living Homeless" is a Dethroning Moment of Suck for the adults. The plot of the episode itself is rather nonsensical, especially having No Ending. (The episode ends by the kids building a bus with a giant stereo system, blasting music to lead all the homeless to California...where the homeless will be somebody else's problem.)
  • Sara Jaye: "More Crap" in general. I mean, poop jokes are one thing and Mr. Hankey was at least entertaining, but an entire episode centered around who can take the biggest crap? With graphically detailed description of said crap?! Hang on for a moment while I go out and retch.
    • Jade Eyes 1: Worse still was the completely pointless stab at Bono. Yes, I am perfectly aware that the man can occasionally be a pretentious twit, but equating him to a literal piece of shit when he hasn't done anything particularly offensive in recent memory? Instead of "Bono sucks, and we want to show you why"note , that smacks of "it's a slow news week, so here's a disgusting episode with a random musician we don't like thrown in for the hell of it". Seriously, South Park; after eleven years on the air, I thought you'd outgrown that kind of writing.
  • NickelParkLavigne: I am likely apart of the minority within this fandom who finds Cartman vs. Kyle episodes boring in addition to having Kyle as her least favorite among the major characters. And the reason is animated into "Tonsil Trouble". The episode starts with Cartman getting his tonsils checked. Unfortunately, Cartman gets affected with HIV due to the incompetence of the doctors. Cartman is understandably upset. There are jokes over HIV, but that isn't the reason this episode lands on this page. It lands on the page because after finding out that Cartman has HIV, Kyle starts laughing at him. Wow, I never knew you were such an asshole, Kyle. If you were in Cartman's shoes and he was laughing at you for the same reason, you'd get pissed too. So we have an episode of a redundant Cartman vs. Kyle plot, and Kyle at his worst, being a hypocritical asshole. Stan and Kyle episodes at least provide different flavors within their episodes whether they're funny, depressing, adventurous or heartwarming, sometimes more than one in the same episode. Until Kyle becomes more than a Hero Antagonist to Cartman, he will remain my least favorite major character on the show. The only thing I like about this episode is Butters kissing Cartman's cheek. Everything else is worthless.
  • KD Larsen: "Canada On Strike". Yes, we know that Matt & Trey are not union people, but this whole episode is a giant attack on a strawman Matt and Trey themselves had apparently built up, namely that internet dollars are without value and how it was a lame thing for the WGA to strike over. Except that internet-based revenue is very real, with one major studio predicting a total value of up to one billion very real dollars for the year the episode was aired.
  • Sir Psycho Sexy: "Eek, A Penis!" So SO many Unfortunate Implications and Family Unfriendly Aesops ("you'll never be a real man/woman, so why try?") Plus Trey and Matt seem to have a thinly veiled contempt for Transgender people.
  • Tropers/Technature: "Dead Celebrities". Excellent episode. Absolutely hilarious. But I feel that the Ghost Hunters thing just fell flat. Yes, they get scared on a relatively daily basis on the show. That's fine. I had no problem with them exaggerating it to no end either. But they are almost never afraid of ghosts. Anyone who watches the show (or hell, just listens to it in the other room from time to time) know that it's almost always bugs that freak them out the most. It could of easily been absolutely hilarious if they cared a bit more about it.
  • The Evil Dr Bolty: "The F Word": A few days after the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act passed, South Park did an episode about the word "fag" being applied to bikers instead of homosexuals which argued that the word is arbitrary and featured a black man being tied in chains and dragged around by bikers in a manner reminiscent of James Byrd, Jr.'s death. The show thrives on Ripped from the Headlines, but completely dismissing the legitimate concerns about slurs (which they themselves articulated in "With Apologies to Jesse Jackson" and "Chef Goes Nanners") while mocking the death of a man killed for racial reasons, all in response to hate crime legislation, was disgusting. If there's a single solitary moment, it would be the bikers dragging a black man around in chains - because clearly, recreating an act of racist violence and playing it for comedy is a great way to make a point against hate crime legislation.
    • Norphen: I laughed at Cartman crapping on the motorcycles but in general that episode was obnoxious. It's obvious that Trey and Matt just want to be able to use "fag" as a more general pejorative and are annoyed that people might object to this. Get over it, fellas.
  • Bastard1: The "200"/"201" two-parter (no, the whole censorship/terrorism debacle has no bearing on my final opinion). They try to go for an epic celebration of 200 episodes... the "epic" approach being the root of the problem. When South Park attempts to take itself and its mythology too seriously, more often than not it leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth, considering their otherwise omnipresent piss-takery of everything (including themselves). The boys, who I'm sure we all do care about in some way despite their...faults, become basically nonentities in a fuckton of celebrity cameos (most of which are pointless to such an extent that it feels like shallow fanservice reminiscent of a certain prequel trilogy...) and convoluted plot events with nary a funny or memorable joke to be found since they never make time for them. I'm fairly certain 'most everyone figured out the end result of the revitalized search for Cartman's father around the end of the first episode (as I did), making the dramatic reveal anti-climactic to say the least. They're probably genre savvy enough to figure people would connect the dots, but that totally clashes with the self-reverential "epic" approach they opted for. What's more, it seems like they went for this whole Muhammad thing purely for the controversy it would attract... if they didn't know it would cause an atomic shitstorm like they got they clearly aren't as ahead of the curve as they make themselves out to be. To me, it was South Park in name only, failing to provide good entertainment, or at the very least, causing some changes to the status quo (Cartman's whole "Oh god, I'm half Ginger" crisis at the end, while funny, is the final slap in the face). They should've done what they did with the previous milestone celebration and just make it a footnote to a regular episode.
  • Metal Slime 14: "Crippled Summer". The episode started off pretty good, but about a good way through it, came the scene that made this episode a DMOS. In this scene, Cartman is on live TV (a station that has a no interruption rule), and he uses it as a chance to insult Kyle and Jewish people, and even worse? Due to the no interruption rule, Kyle has to sit back and listen to Cartman's rant! There was no reason for that to be in the episode, all I see it as is that it is just another chance to make poor Kyle the Designated Monkey again! Seriously, why do Trey and Matt keep taking potshots at Kyle?! Kyle wasn't meant to be the Butt-Monkey (or even the Designated Monkey}} for that matter). I though that Butters was supposed to fill those roles, but even then, it wouldn't have been funny. And what only made it worse, is that like a few other posters on this page, Kyle is my favorite character. Cartman's anti-Semitism has been getting more and more out of hand as the show has progressed, but this takes the cake. This falls along the lines of: "You know, this episode looks empty, so we're gonna throw in something that has nothing to do with the plot just for the hell of it." Trey, Matt, I know that you are probably not listening to me, but stop looking for opportunities to bash Kyle.
  • Sizzly Bacon: I just got done watching "It's a Jersey Thing" and I was really enjoying the episode (keep in mind, I personally dislike Jersey Shore despite the fact that many people I know, including my sister, watch it), it was one of the funniest episodes I've ever seen. But near the end, I just completely lost my smile that I got from the episode when Al-Qaeda (South Park was trying to find people to stop the invasion of New Jersey... long story short, they turned to Al-Qaeda) came in with American Airlines planes and crashed into the ground right as a bunch of Jersey-ites were invading. Earlier in the episode, someone said that the tragedies of 9/11 would be funny in 10 months, but I had no problem with that. And in the end, they congratulated Osama bin Laden for this act? (At least before he gets killed, anyway.) Well, at least most of the episode was good.
    • Tropers/ Gobstopper: For a show that thrives on nothing is sacred jokes, they did a poor job executing the satirical joke where Al-Qaeda struck down Jersey-ites with airliners. Why? Forgotten is the fact that over 500 New Jersey-ites died on 9/11 when the airliners struck the World Trade Center. What could have been an over the top driving point of the satirical punchline, it ended up looking like a collar tugging uncomfortable moment written out of laziness.
  • RetsofNoraa: The plagiarism scandal involving CollegeHumor. To make it short, the writers stole a College Humor sketch about the confusing nature of Inception and pasted it into "Insheeption". Here's a comparison between the two. Note how many lines remain totally unchanged. ("Sometimes, thoughts of my dead wife manifest themselves as trains.") Even though Trey and Matt later apologized for it, I really expected better of them than to have done it in the first place. South Park has been on the air since 1997; they should have known what they were getting into.
    • Redhed311: I agree, also because of the fact that Matt and Trey felt the need to portray a current pop culture phenomenon without knowing anything about it, just to be relevant. Not every episode has to be topical!
  • That 897 Guy: I didn't care for the second part of season 14 too much, aside from the "Coon Vs. Coon and Friends" trilogy, but what I'm gonna mention here is "Creme Fraiche". It was a huge disappointment. My friend had this theory that they made it right after the aforementioned trilogy because that got people so excited to see the next episode that they didn't need another reason, and as long as people are likely to watch it anyway, might as well not put any effort into it. I think that's what happened, but anyway, it just wasn't funny, especially after all the Shallow Parody episodes that half of the season had anyway. After seeing three episodes that finally were not parodies of something (I guess I'm biased because I just happened to not be familiar with any of the things that were parodied), the season ends with another one. The Shake-Weight subplot was based on an unbelievably obvious joke that everyone and their mother thought of as soon as they first heard about the thing, smirked at once, and then moved on with their lives. And as for the main plot, the joke that was also sort of obvious was stretched out for about the whole thing, and then there were other jokes that only people who watch cooking shows will get. I just really hope next season has less obscure humor; it makes me feel dumb when the only jokes I can understand are "lol, shaikwate eekwuls peenus"
  • O Zone: While Season 15 is turning out to be the worst season yet in my opinion, off the top of my head I have to say the season premiere, "HumancentiPad". A Squick-worthy and possibly Nightmare Fuel inducing parody of a Squick-worthy and Nightmare Fuel inducing Horror flick among other things can turn one's stomach enough to quit the show for good.
  • Tropers/Sewblon: "Pandemic" and "Pandemic 2: The Startling" in season 12: The show's writers were trying to show that a real child would not like hanging out with the boys or doing any of the things that they do on the show. But they only do that by making the realistic child, Craig, the chosen one, having him hold the boys accountable for things beyond their control, and having the boys put no real effort into defending themselves against his accusations. Craig says that him and the four main boys getting abducted by the government is the boys' fault for coming up with stupid plans that always backfire and that the weird stuff that they keep experiencing is their fault. The problem is that the boys had no way of knowing that the government would imprison all of the Peruvian Panflute bands. So Craig is holding the boys accountable for something that is completely beyond their control, and he is still supposed to be in the right. Also, Craig was only able to save the world from the giant Guinea creatures because the boys cajoled him into joining their panflute band. So if they boys hadn't gone ahead with their crazy idea to start a pan-flute band, humanity would be doomed. To me, South Park was always at its best when the boys were the only ones who saw how absurd everything was and were the only ones who could do anything about it. So being told that the absurdity is their fault and they need to learn to just leave it alone ruins the experience for me, especially when the justification for it doesn't make any sense in context of the narrative. Plus the boys' defiance in the face of everything that happens around them is part of their charm, so having them fail to stand up for themselves and the choices they make makes them much less likable.
  • bluewyvern5525: Season 15 is full of many DMOS, but my biggest one would have to be "Royal Pudding". In this episode, Mr. Mackey is making the kindergarten students do a play about Tooth Decay, when Ike (who is playing Tooth Decay) stays home to watch the Royal Canadian Wedding. The princess gets captured, and Ike get sent home the next day during practice when he can't stop crying. Ike eventually goes to Canada to rescue her, and is joined by Ugly Bob and Scott The Dick. While this is happening, Kyle takes Ike's place in the play. Although the scenes with Ike, Bob, and Scott where funny, they could not save the episode from being a DMOS in my books. What makes this a DMOS is the actions of Mr. Mackey. Normally, Mr. Mackey was a calm, understanding, and reasonable figure, who rarely lost his cool. But in this episode, all he does is loudly scream and curse at the kindergarten students, and especially Kyle for messing up his play, even when they didn't mean to do it, or even if the mistake was very slight. Granted, Mr. Mackey may have a Freudian Excuse (Tooth Decay claimed the life of his father), but that doesn't excuse his behavior in this episode, and Kyle is my favorite character, and seeing him as the Designated Monkey also contributed to this episode being a DMOS.
  • Raiku: "Funnybot". Basically it was a half hour of them saying they didn't deserve the award that they won at the recent comedy awards and that Tyler Perry isn't funny. The jokes were predictable and were so few and far in between it is one episode that's so bad that even my friend who'd defend against every DMOS on this page yet would agree on this episode sucking.
  • Dame Des Douleurs: "You're Getting Old". The thing that bothered me the most was Stan's 'cynicism'. It was basically just Matt and Trey celebrating their new found ability to say "shit" uncensored... by having the word be said as often as they saw fit. Sound familiar? Maybe because they did the same thing 10 seasons ago with "It Hits the Fan".
  • Codename Bravo: "Ass Burgers" claimed that not only does Autism not exist, but it is just a fake front for cynicism, with all supposed sufferers from the condition just being depressed paranoid clueless jerks, while attempting to thoroughly humiliate them. It went well beyond the usual reluctance to slam disabilities, and just read like a random collection of slurs that did not make any sense. And that's coming from somebody who found The Onion's "autistic reporter" mostly funny because it was clever.
    • monkeyman224: As someone with Asperger's Syndrome, this troper wasn't fond of them making fun of it without doing any research on it. First off, it's not a disease. I'd liken it more to a social dyslexia. You cannot catch it from anyone or anything. Second, they had the balls to make a statement signifying that it's the fucking same as being retarded. Last time I checked, someone with Asperger's is not retarded. To me it looks like all they did was decide that Asperger's Syndrome has a funny name to make fun of and went with that idea whilst having absolutely no idea what it really is.
    • Philipnova798: With me, it wasn't so much the lack of researchnote . But the fact they made it into a half-assed parody of The Matrix trilogy. I'm sorry, but such parodies have been out of style since 2004.
  • Ian: "Bass to Mouth" was just a mess from beginning to end. A kid defecates his pants and commits suicide because of Cartman's bullying, so when another similar incident occurs, the teachers turn to... Cartman? I can only assume that absolutely anyone else was busy because that's who'd be more appropriate for the job. As his compensation, Cartman demands to beat up Selena Gomez, which they cede to. Why Selena Gomez? His beef with her is never explained. Usually they have a solid reason for picking on a celebrity, but I can't think of anything heinous or mockable Gomez has done besides star in a vapid but altogether inoffensive Disney sitcom; did they just pick a celebrity name at random? Also there's a gossip website called the Eavesdropper posting embarrassing information about students, and for some unexplained reason Cartman is never suspected of being behind it - I don't know why because that's just the kind of thing that's right up his alley. Oh but get this, the person behind it is a rat named Wikileaks. Not only is that oh, so very subtle, but also very much still relevant in late 2011. And it's clear they have no idea what Wikileaks actually is; the looks and content of the Eavesdropper are much more like TMZ if anything. And here's the best part. In the end, not only does Cartman get off scot-free for pushing a student to suicide and two others to the brink, but he also gets the last laugh on the teachers, after their half-baked attempt to kill him goes awry. When someone acts so retardedly that it makes Cartman look like the moral high ground, you know you've made a real clusterfuck of an episode.
  • Ecclytennysmithylove: "Broadway Bro Down". While this episode did an excellent Take That! at Broadway musicals, the DMOS for me was the third act: after a horrified Randy finds out that Shelley had already gone off with her new boyfriend (named Larry Feegan) to see Wicked, he (without taking a second look at audience in the theater that would prove him evidence that none of them were doing the "blowjob") goes through a disastrous attempt to stop the show (long story short, he was kicked out of the theater for being disruptive) by breaking the water main that resulted with Larry fatally drowned (another long story short, Larry was always forced to wear a life preserver and took it off to prove his independence when he went with Shelley to see ''Wicked''). Thanks, guys. You made a probably heartwarming subplot, and then ruined it by using Randy to kill off Larry. Seriously, I find this episode two-times worse than any American Dad! episodes involving Steve Smith attempting to win a girl's heart that ends in a failure.
    • Tropers/Donald Nelson: I SO definitely agree with you on this one. I may not necessarily like Shelley (considering how she would abuse Stan), but by the time this episode ended, I felt very sorry for her, losing her boyfriend due to something that her father caused. Also, I'm fed up with Randy's constant overreacting to the slightest things. It seems that the longer that the show goes on, the bigger Randy's stupidity gets. In fact, it would not be overdoing it if you would say that Randy is becoming (or has already become) a Creator's Pet.
  • CJ Croen 1393: "A History Channel Thanksgiving". Thank you Matt and Trey, for once again telling everyone that anyone who believes in UFOs, Cryptozoology and ghosts are stupid, gullible idiots who believe anything they hear, but also going the extra mile by saying that any "experts" are actually fraudulent morons. The worst part of this is the fact that they did this already with "Dead Celebrities" and handled it much better there. Here, however, they decided to just wing it and make up a bunch crummy unfunny gags (the only thing remotely funny about it was the scenes involving Natalie Portman). Mixing in the horrific Canon Discontinuity, even by this show's standards (sooo, we're all just going to forget that Cartman was probed by aliens twice?) and the Unfortunate Implications that all Native Americans are evil, thieving monsters who must be gruesomely destroyed and you have the worst episode of South Park ever.
  • Space Hunter Drake Redcrest: "Le Petit Tourette" (where Cartman fakes having Tourette's Syndrome) is an odd episode for me, in that I find the first half hysterical and the second half unfunny. The second half has one of the worst scenes I've ever seen in South Park. At one point, Kyle invites a large number of pedophiles to the Dateline studio to divert attention away from Cartman's interview. There are several things wrong with this. First off, as someone who struggled with suicidal depression, I find most attempts at Suicide as Comedy to be poorly-done, to say the least. Seeing a large group of people shooting themselves in the head just makes me uncomfortable, even if all the people are pedophiles. The second issue I have is that it feels like a Critical Research Failure. All these potential child molesters file into the building, one after another. Whenever To Catch a Predator had a man arrive at a sting before the previous person had been arrested, the person arriving would become suspicious and leave, not go in blindly. And no, Rule of Funny does not excuse this since I don't find it funny.
  • Ms Cc 93: Even though I loved the episode “The List,” for personal reasons and the good aesop delivered, there was a moment that legitimately pissed me off. I’ll start off by saying that it wasn’t surprising that Cartman teased Kyle for apparently looking “better” than him. The moment that really ticked me off, however, was when the kids were at school laughing at Kyle. Then, Butters, of all people, makes fun of Kyle for being “ugly.” I hated how out of character he was. I also understand that Kids Are Cruel, but seeing Butters, (who’s actually one of my favorite characters) act like a jerk to Kyle for no reason whatsoever, leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
  • White Rose Samurai: I can't stand the way Butters' parents treat him. For example, that one episode with the goth kids and the vampires? I don't remember the name of it.edit  Just go with it. Butters's dad, Stephen, flies into a rage just because Butters accidentally left some food where it didn't belong, then starts flinging food all over the kitchen floor and screaming at Butters to clean it up. All without giving him a chance to even explain himself. That whole scene was exactly like a bad experience I had with my stepdad, where I did something I didn't mean to do and he just flew off the handle and started screaming at me like I was the most ungrateful brat on the planet, and kept threatening to knock me out every time I opened my mouth. If this show were even remotely realistic, Butters would have gone to a foster home a long time ago. Hell, half the kids on the show would have been taken away from their parents by now.

     Season 16- 
  • Largo Quagmire: "Cash for Gold" was just a massive failure of an episode on all levels. Satirizing cash for gold kiosks and stores is a pretty soft target anyways, but throwing in random semi-satires of Foxcom and home shopping networks made the episode even more unbearable. There's a retread of Cartman's "...while you fuck me" routine from "HUMANCENTiPAD" which manages to be incredibly unfunny. There's an attempt at pathos with Stan's grandfather that falls incredibly flat, considering that Parker and Stone, in the previous episode, managed to wring a lot of genuine emotion out of Clyde's mother's death (YMMV, of course, but for me at least). The lowest point was easily the shopping network man killing himself - Matt and Trey have pulled off humor much darker than this before, but since the whole episode was off, the capper seemed incredibly mean-spirited and awful instead of a fitting send-off. Just a horrendous mess of an episode.
  • RabidBadger1632: "Jewpacabra"... Dear God, this episode. Artistic License is too kind. Critical Research Failure is too kind. The first half of the episode is Cartman's generic anti-Semitic humor. Nothing to get worked up over. Then the bullshit train pulls into station when Cartman starts dreaming. The episode then makes a poor, poor, attempt to satire the story of Exodus. The story proceeds to victimize the Egyptians using nothing but a truckload of misinformation. It starts with Kyle (in Cartman's dream) telling him that God is making it rain frogs because the Egyptians won't give them what they want, and Cartman commenting on how mean it is to the frogs. Already we have a screw-up. God didn't just randomly decide to throw a bunch of frogs at the Egyptians for the punishment. It was a correlating punishment to the Egyptians idolatry in worshiping Heqet, a frog themed Goddess. Also, nowhere does it say that the frogs were falling miles from the sky to splatter and die on the ground. But that's only the beginning. Next they comment on God hardening Pharaoh's heart, saying that God shouldn't punish Pharaoh if God is going to make Pharaoh say no. Now we're taking verses out of context. I just love that. The original story tells that Pharaoh hardened his own heart as a result of God's involvement, therefore it was his own choice. But we're not finished yet. Next, Matt and Trey decide to show just how ignorant they are when they compare the Israelites trying to leave Egypt to the Confederacy trying to leave the Union. Strange, because I don't recall any stories about Union citizens throwing the babies of enslaved Confederate people into crocodile infested water. Seriously, the very fact that they didn't know that the Israelites were in slavery just shows how sloppy their "research" was. But it gets even worse. According to Cartman, "if we don't do whatever the Hebrews want us to do, God is gonna kill little Egyptian boys". According to the actual Bible, it was the final plague of Egypt, where the first-born son of each house would die, but it could have easily been avoided if the Egyptian people put the blood of a lamb on their door frames, or you know, if Pharaoh would stop being a self-absorbed prick and free the Israelites. Right before Cartman dies, he tells God "I promise I'll be Jewish!". It wasn't a matter of being Jewish or not, but simply obeying the true God. But it still gets worse. Because now, I'm not even sure what the hell the episode is trying to do. After the dream, Cartman starts preaching on how the God Jehovah passed over him and that they should all deny Jesus Christ and convert to Judaism. After an unrealistic reaction from the crowd, Cartman tells Kyle that he now sees how Jews feel and that there's no convincing stupid people (the subtly is astounding). They then tell each other Happy Passover and the episode ends. Problem here? Both Jews and Christians believe in the story of Exodus. You can not just call the Jewish people idiots and then try to appease them. Probably makes sense though, considering how little educated they are on religion (they think Jews worship Moses note  and that Muslims hate Jesus). The only thing they seem to know about Judaism is "they don't believe that Jesus is the Messiah" which in itself isn't even completely true due to the existence of Messianic Jews. And on a final note, it's not really a good idea to voice satire through the most immoral character on your show.
  • Tropers/lightning37: "Butterballs". That episode was a total mess. First off, if Butters established he didn't want to be a part of the bullying video, he never should have agreed to being a part of the movie that they wanted to make out of it. Next off, when Stan is confronted by Bucky Bailey (the head of the company that wanted Mr. Mackey to have the bullying assembly), he accuses Stan of being the one to sell the bullying video to the company when it was Bailey's idea to do it, but it was the company who wanted to claim it, that wasn't Stan's idea (I could be wrong about that though). But the third and final act takes the cake: Stan and Butters are on the Dr. Oz show, and after Dr. Oz keeps trying to ask Butters how he feels, Butters doesn't want to have any of it and he attacks Dr. Oz on national television. Then Stan is hated by everybody at school. The thing that made this suck was, Butters was the one who attacked Dr. Oz, and he was the main victim of the bullying video, so shouldn't they be mad at him and not Stan? Stan was the one trying to make a difference, and Butters ruined it. For that matter, Butters doesn't get any punishment for it. If his parents had grounded him for the rest of his life, I would have had no problems with that whatsoever (most of his grounded moments have been bogus, but this was just awful). Additionally, I can't think of any real purpose that his grandmother actually served in the episode other than picking on Butters and stabbing him with forks with his parents unaware. And that brings me to another point, if Butters didn't like being picked on by her, then he should have been able to relate on Dr. Oz instead of not trying to help Stan at all.
    • The Poppy Bros Sr: This episode was actually my favorite of the mostly miserable 16th season. However, one thing I hate is how Butters' grandma managed to get away with her actions scot free. The bitch stabs her grandson in the leg and his parents (and in a way, everyone else) turn a blind eye! His "Reason You Suck" Speech at the end was great, but it was too little. I probably shouldn't be expecting much from a show like South Park, but it still left a damper on what was otherwise a good commentary on the anti-bullying movement.
  • Tropers/raidpirate823: "I Should Have Never Gone Ziplining" was the cherry on top of a horrible season 16A. The cut-away scenes to the boys interviews (which is another dethroning moment, seeing they appear to do this at least once a season now) and just do random screaming at random points so not only does that just scream "lazy writing" but it was so boring to watch. There's also the fact that this episode changes subject every two minutes. It starts with ziplining, then goes to complaining about horse back riding, then later to boat riding. If a quarter of the episode is nothing but exposition, you know it's bad. There's also that badly acted, mind-vomiting live action scene. If you were tired of the exposition by the end, guess what? That's exactly how the episode ends. Not to mention reusing an unfunny joke that was stupid in the previous episode was bad enough. The worst part about this whole episode? If you read the plot to the episode before seeing this episode about the boys getting lost would make you think of "ManBearPig" level epicness, only for it to go all kinds of wrong.
  • Sawnik3000: "Goth Kids 3: Dawn of the Posers". This is probably the only episode I flat out hate. While most sub-par South Park episodes at least have a few funny or memorable moments, this episode didn't make me smile once throughout. Let's start with the main problem: The Goth Kids. Prior to this episode I was genuinely indifferent towards them, but this episode made me realize how terrible they are as characters. For starters, all four of them are the exact same character. They're all stereotypical goths with no personality traits that separates them in any way. I can see why they had to be a group rather than a single character in "Raisins", but it just seems so pointless now. You could have all but one goth kid removed from the show, and there'd be little to no difference to their scenes. Second, they're extremely one-note. Every one of their appearances is the same: "Oh, we're goths and hypocrites". It's the same damn joke every time. Sure, they were tolerable in "Raisins", but when you do the same joke every time it gets annoying after a while. Okay, there are other one-note characters on the show that work fine. Ex. Tweek's always a nervous wreck, Kevin Stoley's a sci-fi nerd, etc., but they work because they don't get that much screen time and they do different things with those traits each episode. They never seem to do anything new with these characters; it’s always the same joke on repeat; which is really a shame since I see some potential in one of the Goth Kids, Henrietta. Judging by the brief look we get of her mother (who I’ll admit, made me laugh when she just calls Henrietta fatty at the end of the episode) she could actually have a hilariously abusive childhood. Hell, the situations could even be funnier than the ones with Butter’s parents since she actively acts out against them and would deserve what was coming to her, but no, she’s just another one-dimensional goth kid. The only time they ever made me chuckle was during their brief scene in “You Got F’d in the A” where the tall one says he’s so anti-conformist that he’s conforming against the rest of the group and joins Stan’s dance group. See, that’s doing something new with these characters, it was the only time that one of them did something I wasn’t expecting. Every other scene involving them is just a hypocritical comment against one of the characters and maintaining that they’re goths. This is the reason why this episode fails; the Goth Kids are not interesting or even entertaining enough characters to have an entire episode revolving around them. While I personally didn’t like “The Ungroundable”, they at least managed to salvage it by giving part of the focus to Butters, a funny and likable character. Here, none of the main characters are present; it’s just them for the entire 22-minute runtime. So it’s basically the same jokes we’ve heard in the previous Goth Kids-centric episodes, only without a sub-plot to break it up. Okay, I lied, the Vamps are in this episode too. Whoop dee-f***ing do. The Vamps are identical to the Goth Kids in almost every way possible, which I get is supposed to be the joke, but that doesn’t make them any funnier. The thing is though that they add almost nothing to the plot. They’re in the same room as the Goth Kids when they summon Edgar Allan Poe after they team up and kind of fade into the background afterwards. Oh, except for the vamp that’s a grown black man. I think the joke is that he doesn’t belong here, kind of like the brief joke they did about the random black guy in the other N.A.M.B.L.A. meeting in “Cartman Joins NAMBLA”, but while that joke was a quick second-long joke, he has several lines throughout the episode that ultimately boils down to “It’s funny because he’s black”. Again, it could’ve worked if it were just a quick little joke, but they just pound the joke to the ground. Also, like I mentioned before, Edgar Allen Poe plays a role in the episode, and I genuinely thought it was funny that he was revealed to be just another stereotypical goth…for about five seconds until I realized that he’s the exact same character as everyone else here. He brings nothing new in this episode, it’s just the same annoying “We’re goths and we’re also hypocrites” jokes we’ve heard dozens of times before in this episode alone. And like the Vamps, he doesn’t contribute to the plot at all. He fades into the background after he’s summoned until he shoots one of the plants the goths think are turning people into emos (trust me, watching the episode wouldn’t help it make sense) only for it to reveal that it was all an elaborate prank; making his appearance in this episode completely and utterly pointless. Oh, and guess what joke they make about emo kids. Come on, you’ll never guess. Give up? Well the joke is that there’s no difference between goths and emos. You know, almost the exact same joke they made in “The Ungroundable”, only they replace vamps with emos. Yeah, this entire episode is a rehash of “The Ungroundable” minus Butters. I really don’t get the thought process behind excluding the main characters from this episode. The general consensus of that episode was that it was lackluster, but had several great moments courtesy of Butters. So if you take out the saving grace of that episode, it’ll somehow get better? Look, I really did like Season 17, and I respect Trey Parker and Matt Stone for wanting to shake things up a bit by giving the focus to different characters, but they should’ve learned from the previous Goth Kids episode that they can’t support a sub-plot, let alone an entire episode, on their own. Overall, as much as I despise the Goth Kids, the episode really isn’t annoying as much as it’s boring; which is something I can’t say for most other South Park episodes. With the exception of the comment made by Mrs. Beagle, all of the jokes fall flat and are the same ones we’ve heard from the previous Goth Kids episodes and just completely devoid of the originality that South Park, even at its worst, manages to offer.
    • Tropers/fairygirl567: Oh, thank heavens I thought I was the only one who disliked the goth kids. For a show that makes fun of everyone and is good at doing it, the goth kids are the only people who they make fun and it's not funny! They are so one note to the point where I feel insulted and not just because I'm into goth culture, but because that's the whole joke for these characters. We get it, some goths can be hypocritical and moody, but they could've done more with this. Heck, Kyle and his cousin Kyle are great examples of this! As well as Token. I think Matt and Trey have gotten the hint though since the goth kids haven't made a major appreance in a while.
  • AB No 4: "Ginger Cow" takes the cake for me. As someone who is fed up with Cartman vs. Kyle episodes, especially ones where Cartman is a Karma Houdini while Kyle spends the whole episode being the Butt-Monkey, this one was particularly bad and felt like a new low. Too mean-spirited to be funny, nothing clever, original or creative with its jokes or social commentary on the Middle Eastern conflict and just plain depressing.
    • Shasarazade: I was just about to come on here and make an entry for this episode, but I see that you did it. The "eating farts" gag was just a stupid Overly Long Gag. Everyone assumes that Kyle is being a dick for making the Heroic Sacrifice of eating said farts to preserve peace in the Middle East, and then Kyle apologizes for being a dick when he hadn't been acting like a dick at all. I also didn't get why Stan was such a dick to Kyle over what was happening, whereas in previous episodes if Kyle is depressed or is acting out of character, Stan bends over backwards to find out what's wrong with his best friend. The only reason I sat through and watched this whole episode was because I was waiting for Cartman to get his comeuppance at the end for kick-starting everything with his dumb prank and torturing Kyle the way he did. Cartman getting a Karma Houdini however is more expected of South Park. But it just left me angry. I wasn't entertained by this episode. I was just grossed out and pissed off.
    • ElegantVamp: Thirded on "Ginger Cow". And, Kyle being my favorite character just made this episode worse. It wasn't funny, it was mean-spirited for no reason, the fart "gags" got old really fast. I was waiting for Cartman to get some sort of karma for what he did, but, nope! All of this Cartman vs. Kyle nonsense is getting overdrawn. I don't understand why the writers just all of a sudden decide to treat Kyle as the show's Butt-Monkey. Wasn't Butters supposed to fill that role? And even IF Butters was in Kyle's place, it still wouldn't have been funny. The only part of the episode I found entertaining and laughed out loud at is when all the religious symbols combined as Van Halen. I hated Cartman after he got away with what went down in the Scott Tenorman episode, but this is a new low. It really solidified my hatred for "Karma Houdini-Cartman", and makes me hope that someone will beat his ass into the ground, again, like Wendy in "Breast Cancer Show Ever".
      • MrJeperson: Fourthed on "Ginger Cow". I am sick and tired of Cartman becoming the ultimate Karma Houdini. I am also sick and tired of his casual abuse of poor Kyle. I have an increasing worry that Cartman is the writers' Mary Sue - they are never going to allow him to be seen as wrong by everybody else, let alone punished for his sheer deliberate douchiness, ever again.
      • Asger: Thank god I'm not the only person who loathes this episode, it completely blew "World War Zimmerman" out of the water as my Dethroning Moment. It was just the one same unfunny joke of Kyle eating farts for half the episode, and just when you think he's going to give Cartman a beatdown like the one he got from Wendy, it just fucking ends. Aside from Kyle calling his mom a fat skank, nothing good came from this episode.
    • DanTheEnigma Wait. There's others what hate this episode other than me?! Thank god. Anyway, there's nothing that can be said that hasn't already about this episode except for one little thing. At the end of the episode, the Jewish man who explained the prophecy of the Ginger Cow said that a little boy with a small dick would dress a cow like a Ginger person. Cartman would get off scot-free just because he said he had a big dick to the Jewish representatives (or whatever they were) when in-fact, in an earlier episode, it was actually confirmed that Cartman had the smallest dick of the 4th graders. Something Kyle was there for! So not only could Kyle have completely do what he set out to do in the first place, but he could've completely humiliated Cartman in the process. But the fact that the creators didn't do and just went with the "tried and true" "Cartman is a Karma Houdini" ending just made this a complete DMOS for me.
    • RedDragon1989: Wow, it appears that I am not alone in detesting this episode. "Ginger Cow" is without a doubt one of the biggest DMOS moments in the recent years of the show's run. And it certainly didn't help that Kyle is my favorite character. This is what happens in this episode: Kyle puts up with abuse from Cartman in order to maintain peace in the Middle East, and that's it basically. This is why it's a DMOS in my books. The "eating farts" gag got old very quickly, and not to mention that Cartman got away with his stupid prank and his torture of Kyle in the end. I didn't even think that the bit with Kyle insulting his mother was funny, because I have come to really like Sheila Broflovski following her Heel–Face Turn after the movie, and to see her son Kyle (who very dearly loves her) insult her like that, it's not funny, it's just cruel. Also, I am almost completely certain that Cartman can be considered a Creator's Pet. For one thing, he is both Parker and Stone's favorite character, and as a side effect, it seems as if the Karma Houdini-Cartman theme is becoming popular between them, meaning that they are never going to see him be punished for his horrid wrongdoings ever again. And lastly, like I said earlier, this episode was made worse by the fact that Kyle is my favorite character. The things that Cartman does to Kyle in this episode have cemented my hatred for Cartman, and it makes me feel even more sorry for Kyle, and it makes me hope that somebody will give Cartman a severe thrashing, just like Wendy did in "Breast Cancer Show Ever".
  • OZone I honestly loved season 17 of South Park even if it was slightly shorter than past ones. However, the season finale "The Hobbit" just bothers me. Basically, Wendy tries to show that using photoshop to make a girl look 'sexy' is unnatural just as Kim Kardashian supposedly does, but instead the guys instantly love the new girl because her picture depicts her as hot while she's unattractive in real life. Then all the girls and Mr. Mackey call her 'jelly' when she tries to call anyone out on thinking the altered pics are amazing. Maybe it was because it was following the epic "Black Friday" trilogy, but my problem is that there was no real ending and after all the crap she had to go through, Wendy basically just 'gives up' and alters her own picture to make herself look sexy too after Kanye West tells her a story about "The Hobbit/Kim". It was kind of sad to see her defeated like that, even if she isn't my favorite character in the series and soured the season finale to an otherwise epic season.
    • Luma: Indeed. While it was a pretty powerful episode, the backlash from it and the alternative interpretation have made me second-guess and wonder if Parker and Stone wanted us to sympathize with Wendy, or (as her haters claim) if they portrayed her as too ridiculous in her cause to have her ultimately defeated with no way out. It's a lot of food for thought. I wouldn't necessarily nominate the episode itself as the dethroning moment, although the reception and debates over it have definitely seemed to solidify Wendy's status as a base-breaking character some more. There are also those that note they didn't specifically show whether she hit "yes" or "no" for sending the picture, so that leaves even more up to interpretation. My thought is that they intended her to have sent it, but who knows? I'm guessing it'll be reset, but then, it's a long wait for the next season. It's definitely probably the most downer of the finales.
    • Psi 001: What punctuates this is the need to dumb down the male characters so Wendy can talk down to them. There has already been a noticeable amount of times Stan, the show's key Only Sane Man, has been diluted into a perverted imbecile so that Wendy can play Women Are Wiser against him, while this episode even turns Butters, the perennial Nice Guy of the series, into a chauvinist (if a mercifully innocent one). The somewhat skewed execution of the story makes it hard to tell whether or not the story is succumbing to Out of Character Moments to justify Wendy's pushy disposition.
  • Metalheadfan 2500 "Go Fund Yourself" really bugged me, aside from not getting a strong laugh out of me, this episode is just ignorant. Matt and Trey bash on Kickstarter and crowdfunding in general, by commenting on the several people that abuse it for free money with weak ideas, sure that's ok for a cheap laugh, but what really annoyed me is that there is no mention of any positive contributions that crowdfunding has done. Aside from perhaps one poster mentioning a film festival, they failed to comment on all the cool indie games, animation, comics, short films, or whatever, which to me tells me such an ignorant viewpoint that I feel this hurts the perspective on crowdfunding for the several people that don't know that much and will just be misinformed. To me this makes Matt Stone and Trey Parker seem extremely ignorant as award winning millionaires that can pretty much do whatever creative product they want, but fuck anyone else who ask for a donation. I leave this vid on crowdfunding from the wonderful people of Extra Credit on the South Park Studios message board on the episode, just to inform what Crowdfunding really is.
  • Mighty Mewtron: "Handicar" as a whole is a pretty good episode, but one moment puts a terrible taste in my mouth and actually ruins another episode for me. Nathan tries to ruin Handicar by sexually harassing a passenger, but when he asks if she wants to see his penis, she turns around and asks, "You wanna see mine?" Then "she" takes Nathan to the men's bathroom and rapes him. This kind of joke on its own is incredibly overused, and if it were on its own it would just be a bad joke, and sadly nothing surprising for the show given how often trans women (and feminine men- it's not clear which one this person is) are mocked. However, the episode right before this one was "The Cissy," which, while contentious, ended on the moral that discriminating against trans people and not letting them into the bathroom is stupid and people should express themselves however they want. So why the hell include a joke in the very next episode that perpetuates the myth that has a trans woman (or at least a man in drag, never mind that many people don't care to distinguish the two) raping a child in a bathroom?! It reeks of a delayed Broken Aesop and shows how ingenuine the show's morals can truly be.
  • Raining Metal The Black Friday trilogy was a Dethroning Moment since it reeked of Critical Research Failure; Did Parker and Stone ever read the articles on the X-box One's negative publicity stunts? And the way they portrayed the two sides it seemed that the Playstation 4 was the better faction, judging by Bill Gates' characterization. But Bill Gates won, making him a Karma Houdini. Worse, there was absolutely no mention of the Wii U. Guess they're Ungrateful Bastards for "Go God Go".
    • Hailfire 25 I have to agree. I used to believe they were biased to the X-Box but this episode only cemented the fact they believe the X-Box is the greatest system and anyone that likes Playstation are a bunch of hopeless losers. Though it makes sense since Microsoft was sponsoring South Park at the time explains a lot of the bias.
    • Tropers/eneuman96: As far as mentioning the Wii U goes, I honestly wouldn't have minded if they made a couple jokes at its expense since it was (and still is to some extent) considered less popular than the PS4 and Xbox One; hell, acknowledging its existence at all would have satisfied me (maybe Butters could have been the sole supporter of it or something along those lines). But nope, it might as well not even exist in the South Park universe. Even though "Go God Go" had an entire plot focused around Cartman wanting to get the original Wii.
  • Infinity League: "Safe Space" is, without question, the worst South Park episode I have ever seen. There were bad episodes before this one, and there were good episodes after it, but it really marked a turning point for the series that made me stop watching after years of loyal viewership. Now, this episode came smack in the middle of the prolonged anti-liberal circle-jerk that was Season 19, in which the writers used every strawman and stereotype they could to depict progressives and Millennials as genuinely evil and insane Note , and nowhere is this more obvious than in "Safe Space." Why do I despise it so much, you may ask? Well, to put it simply, this episode is pro-cyberbullying. I'm dead serious. The episode, in an attempt to deal with the whole "safe space" manufactroversy, goes out of its way to portray anti-bullying activists as a group of thin-skinned crybabies before a character subtly named "Reality" gets up on a soapbox and evangelizes us, the viewers, that the real world is supposed to suck, and that telling people not to be assholes is wrong. He tells us that cyberbullying is just constructive criticism with a sense of humor, and that anyone who tries to speak out against it is just an egotistical whiner who can't take a joke. It seems Parker and Stone realized the Unfortunate Implications of what they were saying, and made the trolling subplot in Season 20 as a sort of Author's Saving Throw, but I'm sorry, guys. The damage is done.
  • Tropers/ Mhj0808: I'm not loving how Stan and Kyle have been acting in the first two episodes of Season 20. You know, how they're joining everybody else in treating the social media stuff as Serious Business. Sure, the boys treating mundane things as serious business is a South Park staple, but... maybe it's just me, but the inherent and un-ironic pettiness of social media is normally the type of thing they'd rip apart in the past rather than take seriously. The whole thing feels like a minor form of Character Derailment for both of them. Compare Stan's attitude toward Facebook from the 2010 episode "You Have 0 Friends" to how he acts in 2016's "Skank Hunt" and you'll see what I mean.
  • Alex Is Out Here: The season 22 premiere "Dead Kids" is probably the worst season premiere of the show since Season 15’s. The episode revolves around the numerous school shootings and people's apathy towards them. The problem with this is that the shootings happen three times—all in the same school: South Park Elementary. The first of those shootings happened in the very first scene, and if the rest of the episode focused on the apathy of it, it would've been fine. But no, Trey and Matt just had to veer into cringeworthy territory by having them happen thrice (four if you count the middle school shooting). I knew that they'd find a way to fuck up like this, and as a result, it feels like I have no desire to continue watching the rest of the season. #cancelsouthpark indeed, because now I am quickly starting to give up on the show. Oh, and the Randy/Sharon subplot was fucking atrocious (because 1) what a way to be horribly misogynistic towards Sharon by having her be PM Sing and people's reactions towards them, and 2) when will Randy stop hogging the spotlight and stop being such a fucking dumbass?), with the Cartman/Token subplot involving Black Panther (2018) being equally infuriating, because when will Cartman ever stop being racist, especially towards Token? And when will Token just beat his ass again, like he did in "Christian Rock Hard"?
  • Clown-Face: I'm withdrawing my suggestion of "Oh Jeez" in favor of "Super Hard PCness", which pissed me off far more than anything in Season 20. In short, the episode relies on everyone either grabbing the Idiot Ball or the Jerkass Ball, and has no voice of reason to counteract all the stupidity due to turning the show's primary Only Sane Man, Kyle, into a caricature of Movie!Sheila. One of the biggest flaws with this episode is that it's focused on Kyle turning into his mother, but Kyle didn't start acting like his mother until everyone started accusing him of acting like his mother. Which leads to the other big problem in the episode: everyone is turned into a jerkass for the sake of pushing Kyle off the deep end. All the kids go along with Cartman and Heidi's bullying of Kyle, when an episode ago they couldn't stand the pair's cruel treatment of everyone. I could buy maybe some of them laughing at Kyle, but Stan and Wendy? And when Kyle goes on his fanatical crusade to censor Terrance and Philip, no one seems to try to talk to him until he leads an embargo on the T&P show. Kyle starting a movement against Canada was on the news, so the rest of the town had to have been aware of it; am I to believe that during the time he formed the group and then led the embargo, no one, not even his family, felt it necessary to take him aside and explain what he was doing was wrong? And even when the others do start taking it seriously and try to talk him down, they do so by, once again, comparing him to his mother, when they should know that's only going to make things worse. And finally, it ruins the character of Kyle by having him turn on his ideals and "play the victim", despite him fighting against that very concept two episodes ago. Kyle's role in this episode could've so easily been filled by someone else to have made his personality shift less jarring, namely Heidi, who'd been set up as a self-pitying villain since the previous episode. It just reeks of a poor attempt to Call-Back to the movie, and in doing so wrecks the personalities of its core characters.

  • tsstevens: For me it's watching some episodes after a interview with Parker and Stone where they suggest they "don't sit around and ask, okay who can we piss off?" Watching some of the episodes, bullshit, they don't. Now that's not to say there are not good episodes but it's clear the show sets out to offend and/or gross out sometimes, it would be nice for the creators to come out and admit it rather than pretend it's not the case.
  • Tropers/cricri3007 : The first abortion minigame in South Park: The Stick of Truth. While I know that the show can be extremely violent at times, up until that point, the game seemed Lighter and Softer to me. And then you get a minigame that, if you fail it, shows you the beautiful sight of Randy Marsh's exploded balls. I had to pause the game to go puke before continuing after finishing that minigame. And it's the first time ever I wish I had the censored version of a videogame.


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