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\"MMMM Richer: I personally didn\'t think this episode was THAT offensive, it didn\'t explicitly say that Autism doesn\'t exist, in fact, the cynics in that episode were the only people who claimed that autism and Asperger\'s don\'t exist, I think that Parker and Stone were trying to say that Autism is often severely misdiagnosed in children, and that Stan was actually depressed, I don\'t believe the show\'s ignorant enough to claim that autism isn\'t a real condition.\"
Whether it\'s true or not, this rebuttal to some of the people putting \"Ass Burgers\" as their DMOS feels like natter. I\'m going to remove it.
Are you allowed to add a "dethroning moment of suck" for an entire season? Because a couple of tropers added the entirety of Season 20 as a "dethroning moment of suck." Should this section be deleted?
Woody Alien3rd: It's hard to pick an episode from Season 20, so I'll say the season as a whole. South Park already remade episodes right before airing, and it worked, but here they tried to rework the entire storyline on the fly because they didn't think Trump could win the elections, and it showed. Parker's obsession with satirizing current events while they happen and the big number of plotlines (no less than three just in the first episode, with more appearing later) generated a poorly-written, bloated storyline that left a lot of hanging threads and was concluded with a blatant deus ex machina. Lots of characters appeared to do a whole lot of nothing (JJ Abrams, the Clintons, Bill Cosby, Caitlin Jenner, Elon Musk... heck even Kyle's mom seemed about to unleash her fury like in The Movie and then, surprise, did nothing), the Big Bad was just some random guy unrelated to anybody and the Member Berries, a clever and hilarious metaphor for the dangers of nostalgia, similarly just disappeared halfway through the season, their purpose or existence never explained. Some characters had a different personality (mellow Cartman, jerkass Butters, dickish troll Gerald) just for the sake of adding even more plotlines, like the war between boys and girls at SP Elementary, that never receiving a satisfying payoff. Not only this season showed that they aren't the master satirists many seem to see as, but also that their approach of always taking a middle ground is getting old: the major theme of the season, trolling, is treated very ambiguously and it's never clear what their stance is, if any. And, once again, Dildo Shwaggins and the other trolls get sidelined after a while, literally stuck in a cell doing nothing. Finally, acknowledging the season's problems with the usual Kyle patronising speech and literally naming one episode "Not Funny" is not clever, just infuriating.
Scsigs: I agree Season 20, on the whole, is the worst season of the show for several reasons. They're all caused by the fact that they made the season serialized. Now, serialization can be good for some shows. A ton of anime shows do this, Tokusatsu shows sometimes do this, & even Western shows, like Doctor Who, Avatar: The Last Airbender, etc have done this, or do that for their entire runs. They did a bit of serialization in the two seasons prior and did similar things many seasons prior. The problem with doing this, however, is that South Park is a show where the production style allows the creators to, literally, write, record, animate, & put together the episodes within the week that they air. They've honed this really well over the years & only missed a deadline once in the show's existence after they started doing it in Season 4. Pretty impressive, plus most of the episodes come out pretty well considering the quick production time, but the rushedness & spontaneity of that has allowed for all of the show's greatest moments since Season 4 when they started it. However, this only works best either when the episodes are standalone, aren't directly parodying such large events, have subtle references to each other, or have an idea that works no matter what. It was clear that they were expecting Hilary to win the election from the off. Everyone was...well, except the most hardened of Trump's supporters. There's a myriad of reasons why that I won't go into here, but suffice it to say that they clearly didn't expect him to win at all. They even went with the theory that Trump was trying to make himself lose because of some of the batshit stuff that was going on around him at the time; a theory that one of my college professors talked about months prior to the election. Thus, when they aired the episodes after the election, things just didn't get proper closure; the Member Berries, the "Girls VS Boys" Feminism lampooning stuff, etc. This is definitely the biggest learning experience Stone & Parker will have to reflect upon in the future if they ever wanna attempt this kind of thing again. Now, other than the outcomes, let me briefly talk about the setups. The series attempted to juggle many different hot-button issues at once slowly over the season. The "Girls VS Boys" stuff was meant to parody third wave Social Justice Feminism that's been rampant in social media for the last several years at this point. They also wanted to point out that women can be funny, it's just that the ways many of them go about it, people like Amy Schumer in particular, aren't the best ways because many of their "jokes" revolve around a few topics & aren't told well most of the time. That's immediately dropped because the lesson they wanted to convey was now moot & wouldn't make much sense in the new context. They wanted to say, while having nostalgia for something is fine, you shouldn't let companies keep marketing based on nostalgia, movie companies mostly, and we should be trying to move forwards rather than backwards. They're dropped entirely for the same reason as the other stuff. What's funny though, is that they've portrayed that kind of thing before, and better, so it's nothing entirely new for them. Then Trump. As Garrison stood in for him in the South Park universe, they tried to have Hilary come off as slightly better. This was a great angle to take this. No one was going to come out of that election unscathed and Trump was dubbed "the joke that went too far" by many both during & after the election, so this made perfect sense. Obviously, they were expecting Hilary to win, but despite all logic, reasoning, & expectations, Trump won. This threw what I suspect was the planned ultimate message of the season into chaos because it no longer made sense, forcing a retool over halfway through. What I suspect was the ultimate plan for the season, given the setup for the payoff, was that Hilary getting elected was supposed to be a sign that the world was ready for a maturity to take place, that even though there will be reboots, sequels, & stupidity in the world, people will come together to not let it run their lives. Unfortunately, the whole thing got flushed down the tubes when Trump got elected, forcing them to make Garrison president instead. thus, a lot of subplots were dropped. The only thing that got a payoff was the Dutch hacking thing, which, by the way, would be a huge scandal in real life, but that's because the Russian hacking controversy, which is what it's referencing, is. Everyone of these things just kinda failed in what they were set out to do in one way or another. Oh and also a subplot with Gerald that doesn't make sense for him that, I think, is referencing the Twitter controversy around Milo Yiannopoulos. My ultimate problem lies in how some of these don't make any sense. As I put in the YMMV section of the show's page on this site, they tried to connect Trump getting elected with people who like their nostalgia and supported Star Wars Episode VII by going to see it and that they're terrible people just because they wanna enjoy something that continues the legacy of something from the past. Oh, and they're automatically Trump supporters! That drove me off a cliff when I put those together. I have my nostalgia for media I've consumed when I was younger & I enjoyed Episode VII, yet I'm no Trump supporter, believe me. Hey, Matt & Trey, if you wanna make a point about a particular political figure, don't put people who haven't done anything related to liking him in with his/her supporters please! How do you badly screw up something like that? You wanna say nothing's original anymore & you want Hollywood to start green lighting more new projects? Fine. You wanna say nostalgia's blinding people from enjoying what's new? Fine. You wanna say Trump's a bad candidate who's more likely than not going to bring more regressions than progressions? Fine, but don't lump people who have little to nothing in common just because it seems it'll help your message, together, at least not the entire time. That's why I say out of everything bad from this season, the first bunch of episodes that establish those 3 things are bad because of the message they send. I still like this show, and I can admit I hate "Stanley's Cup" more as a single episode, but it's these episodes put together that really made me hate this season. Even if Hilary got elected & they were able to carry out all of their subplots, I don't think I'd like those either in that reality. Sorry if this is a bit long, but it had to be to send my disgust through all the way.
These are the examples that use the whole season as a "dethroning moment of suck." Can I delete them?
"Moments only, no "just everything he said," "The entire show," or "This entire season," entries." I guess the answer is "yes".
I've noticed a lot of dislike towards "Good Times With Weapons" because of how Butters was treated. Wasn't that the point of the episode?
Butters gets a shuriken to the eye and experiences what can only be described as a crime against humanity, but everyone ignores this because they saw Cartman's penis. The premise is about reserving your outrage for things that are actually harmful.
Note: I know that there is already a post like this, but I'm just adding another one.
Kyle seems to South Park's answer to Rodney Dangerfield, he can't get any respect.
What I mean by the above statement, is that since season 4, it seems that Kyle has been given a very large amount of unfair treatment. I don't know why, but it seems that since season 4, Cartman (in addition to Parker and Stone) have been looking left and right for chances to take potshots at Kyle, or should I say, to make him the Designated Monkey, and Kyle being my favorite character only makes things worse.
The five following episodes include some of my most hated Kyle-bashing moments:
5. The Passion Of The Jew: Simply put, you know there's problems when Kyle actually agrees with Cartman's anti-Semitic views.
4. Crippled Summer: The scene where Cartman is on live TV with a "no interruption rule." And so what does he do? As you might have guessed, he uses it to throw offensive comments at Kyle, and Jews as a whole. And what's worse, is that Kyle is forced to sit through it.
3. Royal Pudding: After Ike drops out of Mr. Mackey's play about Tooth Decay (so that he can go rescue The Princess Of Canada), Kyle is drafted into taking his brother's role. Despite that he has a Freudian Excuse, there was absolutely no need for the usually calm and understanding Mr. Mackey to scream and curse at the Kindergarten Students and Kyle whenever they made a mistake. And even worse? Mr. Mackey's most abusive comments are directed at none other than, Kyle!
2. Mr. Garrison's Fancy New Vagina: The entire "Jews can't play basketball" subplot was insulting. In addition, it's another episode where Kyle actually agrees with Cartman's racism. And on top of all of that, there are professional basketball players that are Jewish.
1. Ginger Cow: Boy howdy, this one is the biggest one in my opinion. This is my most hated one, particularly since Cartman is a Karma Houdini while Kyle spends the whole episode as the Butt Monkey. Everything from the "eating farts" gag to the ending was nothing more than one long attempt to bash Kyle. As somebody on the main DMOS page stated (and what I agree with), I didn't even find the bit with Kyle insulting his mother to be funny, as I have really come to like Sheila Broflovski over the years, and seeing Kyle insult her like that, it's not funny at all. And ultimately, Kyle is left broken spirited at the end because he put up with Cartman's torture for nothing, and Cartman gets away with it! This episode was filled with plenty of Dude, Not Funny!
And on a side note, Both Parker and Stone have stated that Cartman is their favorite character, the one that they most identify with. So what does this mean? Does this mean that Parker and Stone are anti-Semitic, racist, and narcissistic people who commit Moral Event Horizon acts?
Considering how much abuse Kyle goes through, I'm surprised has hasn't crossed the Despair Event Horizon already. And it also kind of makes me want to give the poor kid a hug.
P.S. Sorry for the long rant, but I've said what I had to say.
You could say Kyle finally crossed the Despair Event Horizon a couple years after this was posted.
I removed this, as it is a whole episode, and only specific moments are allowed.
Congratulations! You cut entries for an opinion page that weren't really offenders while spamming the forum. Seriously, if you're going to make giant snips, at least make a goddamn compilation instead.
I removed the 2 responses as per the rule against Natter.
I removed this because of the rule against calling an entire episode a D Mo S. As for the response, I removed it because of the rule against Natter.
I cut the response by Summer Days 128, as it is contesting the entry by Koopa Kid 17, and no contesting entries is allowed.
I cut this, as it is a whole episode, and only specific moments are allowed in D Mo S pages.
I cut this as the initial entry violates the rule against calling an entire episode a D Mo S, and the 2 responses violate the no Natter rule.
I cut this as it's a whole episode, and only specific moments are allowed.
Kyle overreacts to everything. It really pissed me off how in Tonsil Trouble he destroyed all Cartman's stuff and couldn't resist beating him up for no reason. That green-hat asshole deserved to see what it's like living with HIV. And in the Jersey episode I nearly threw my TV out the window in that once scene where he slams Cartman into a tree and threatens to kill him. That was unnecessary and cruel. If anyone did that to me I would crush their arm.
I found a good pic of Stan facepalming that should be used for South Park DMOS header.
One moment per troper.
Okay. I didn't know that.
There should be an image on the South Park page.
Old entries that were cut.
...Why were these cut, again?
All entries now need to be signed.
Hennifer Lopez is a hand puppet that Cartman faked for the sole purpose of fucking with Kyle. It didn't die.
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