Those are just internal subtropes of broader types I brought up. They don't nearly have examples to make a trope themselves but as a concept they are all under the same umbrella.
Most of those 'non-examples' fit under Not So Perfect Wedding like being a groom late to his own wedding or the bride transforming into an Alien.
edited 17th Oct '15 9:00:08 AM by Memers
I'd argue that "Villains crash civilian wedding" and "Villains crash heroe's wedding" are different though.
"Villains crash civilian wedding" is a type of evil deed that shows their villainy and provides a motivation for the plot. Maybe they kidnap the bride/groom and the groom/bride goes on a quest to save them, maybe they kill the bride/groom and the groom/bride goes on a Roaring Rampage of Revenge, maybe it's just a crime that serves as a cue for heroes to intervene.
"Villains crash heroes' wedding", on the other hand, rarely succeeds. It's usually told from the heroes' POV, and the villains are treated as a nuisance. It's usually treated as a type of Murphy's law, as in, "a hero can't get married without villains attacking".
Those are two different narratives.
"Late for their own wedding" might actually be a subtrope in itself. It's pretty common, it's just that it doesn't always derail the wedding.
edited 17th Oct '15 9:05:09 AM by Rjinswand
To include on the "non-examples"; Made of Honor has the maid of honor (a man) showing up late to the wedding to ask the bride to marry him instead of the groom. After she says yes, the groom knocks him out with one punch.
A "fight" (depends on how many punches are required for a fight), everyone was invited to appear, and no hero/villains.
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.That could go under the general "Fight at a wedding" supertrope.
edited 17th Oct '15 9:49:52 AM by Rjinswand
We're waaaaaaaaaay overcomplicating this.
The trope as it is currently defined is "hero's wedding is interrupted by his enemies", but most of the examples are "a fight happens at a wedding".
Our options are therefore either 1) change the definition to match useage (which would effectively make this a wedding specific subtrope of Ballroom Blitz) or 2) clean up the examples (moving most of the bad ones to Ballroom Blitz, most likely) and probably change the name to prevent more misuse from happening.
I'm not sure why we're even talking about spinning off subtropes and stuff. That has nothing to do with the actual problem the trope is having.
Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.The problem is the opposite of that is also mixed in and quite common.
The hero or heroes of the story crashes a wedding to rescue the bride or convince the bride that he is the one she loves, which often becomes a fight. Ala Spaceballs, many many versions of Robin Hood like Robin Hood Men In Tights, Final Fantasy X, and so many other works.
Pretty much everything but your basic Wedding Brawl, Wedding Disaster, Wedding Murder fits under those two things. Even though I have seen in it in CSI and Sherlock Wedding Murder is probably not a thing but the other two definitely are.
edited 18th Oct '15 9:27:45 PM by Memers
The opposite of what is mixed in and quite common? I mentioned like four different things in that post.
Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.Opposite of what it is currently defined as.
- Hero has his wedding ruined by villain
- Hero interrupts villain's wedding usually to save the girl
A basic Wedding Brawl is something on its own which the first two might use, it is not this.
edited 18th Oct '15 9:49:54 PM by Memers
Okay, it seems we have stalled here.
My opinion is that the title Wedding Smashers is bad for any possible trope, so it should be a redirect at best.
So what I'm proposing is to move all "hero's wedding attacked by villains" examples under an actually clear title. I'll YKTTW the rest of the subtropes, with "misuse" examples salvaged from the current page.
edited 20th Oct '15 5:01:45 AM by Rjinswand
Wedding Smashers is a pretty clear pun on the common phrase "wedding crashers" (meaning people who show up to a wedding uninvited) with added connotations of violence. It's a perfectly fine title for a "fight at a wedding" trope, which is how people are using it. The problem is that that's not how it's currently defined, which is why I suggested either changing the definition to match the current usage and name, or else changing the name and cleaning examples to avoid misuse.
Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.I think it's too similar to Wedding Crashers.
But anyway, maybe it's just me. Let's then keep the name for the general "fights at weddings" trope, split out the "heroes' wedding attacked by villains" under a new name, and YKTTW other possible sub/sister tropes. How does that sound?
IMO we should go the other way around, keep this as written, with a rename. Then YKTTW Wedding Combat and Heroic Wedding Crash
edited 20th Oct '15 12:59:52 PM by Memers
It's purposely close to Wedding Crashers. How close it is to a movie title is irrelevant. I think Wedding Smashers should be the name of the supertrope for violence at a wedding caused by uninvited guests.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. DickWhat about violence at a wedding by invited guests?
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.A real wedding guest wouldn't cause violence.
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?Okay, maybe we could mention in the description that it does include violence started by invited guests as well.
[/me being optimistic about people actually reading descriptions]
I think the trope is broad enough to include invited guests getting rowdy and starting a fit — especially if it's the bride's family and the groom's family fighting.
Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.We could soft split examples as Rjinswand suggested above, but four categories should suffice:
- Villains Smash Heroes' Wedding (lots)
- Villains Smash Civilians' Wedding (13)
- Heroes Smash Villains' Wedding (4+)
- Other
Problem is we are left with a long list of "Not enough context" examples.
Wedding combat though is a thing as well. Like say Klingon Weddings, while an enemy crashing the wedding and subsequently crushed by the couple is actually a part of the wedding and symbolic. Who is to say the good or the bad? What about the brawls that start just cause it's fun and a Klingon thing to do?
I have seen a manga where the couple gets married then subsequently fights and destroys the wedding with guns and swords along side their guests because that's their idea of fun.
Heck Keitaro and Naru did it in Love Hina, hell the invited guests outright attacked the groom Keitaro before the wedding because of reasons.
Numerous series have fights over wedding booking alone not counting actual weddings.
I dislike softsplits in general. Either they're different tropes and they should be on different pages, or they aren't and there's no reason to split them.
Well, there's nothing that says that the "smashing" part has to be a bad thing.
Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.I agree that soft splitting in general is bad, but doing it on a sandbox to help the TRS see how a trope is being used is fine. That said, I don't think this one needs sub tropes, hard or soft split. It just needs a broader base trope.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. DickSuch as, "wedding ceremony is interrupted by a fight"?
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.Yeah. That seems to be the core trope here.
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- In Smallville, Chloe Sullivan gets a particularly nasty one as Doomsday crashes her wedding.
- John Crichton and Aeryn Sun of Farscape really couldn't catch a break when it came to tying the knot – they had two or three false starts derailed by invasions or combat before finally getting hitched
- Notably, in the third-season finale, Crichton keeps on seeing visions of returning to Earth along with Aeryn and getting married there, only for Scorpius and a platoon of mooks to crash it and kill everyone.
—->Scorpius: What did you expect?under siegeunder fire and during the Screaming Birth of their son.Professional Wrestling
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- "We Don't Do Weddings: The Band's Tale" from Star Wars: Tales From The Mos Eisley Cantina. The wedding of the two Whiphids Lady Valarian (Jabba the Hutt's main criminal competitor) and D'wopp (an up-and-coming bounty hunter) never had a chance to go forward without a disaster. Not only do Figrin D'an and the Modal Nodes skip out on their contract with Jabba to play a gig at Valarian's casino for the event (prompting a score of Jabba's thugs to infiltrate the wedding party), but D'wopp triggers a nasty brawl with his bride-to-be when he accepts a bounty on Han Solo to be collected on the night of their honeymoon, and the fight between the two lovers quickly escalates - first into a proxy war by every disgruntled hoodlum in Mos Eisley against Jabba, and ultimately into a confused free-for-all with everyone throwing random punches at each other. Then Imperial stormtroopers raid the casino for illegal gambling! When the noise has finally died down and the blaster bolts finally stopped flying, D'wopp has been (literally) torn limb from limb, Wuher the bartender has been shot in the nose by an assassin droid's needle, and Figrin himself owes massive gambling debts that he and his boys can pay off only by playing indefinite gigs at Chalmun's Cantina - with Jabba's goons still hunting for them.
- In the second-season finale of The Venture Brothers, the Monarch's wedding to Dr. Girlfriend is interrupted by the Phantom Limb and his Guild army.
—>Savage: Anyone else have any objections?Can be probably expanded with examples from "The Graduate" Homage Shot and Speak Now or Forever Hold Your Peace.
- AFantastic Four Reed and Sue's wedding in FF Annual #3.
- Code Geass has Xing Ke perform quite possibly the most epic Wedding Crash of all time. And then, Lelouch, true to form, upstages him fabulously.
- In the third Cinderella movie, Cinderella crashes her own wedding. It Makes Sense in Context.
- In Final Fantasy X there is a wedding crashing that involves a dragon, heavy gunfire and heroes surfing down giant cables from an airship to save the bride, who is also trying to kill the groom. And the marriage still goes through nevertheless, and is followed up by the bride jumping off a building. Evidencedhere.
- At the start of Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest, the wedding of Will Turner and Elizabeth Swann is interrupted by the beginning of the plot. Inverted in Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End: Will and Elizabeth interrupt the battle with their wedding, after figuring that if they keep waiting until there's time to hold the wedding properly it'll never happen.
—>Elizabeth: Now may not be the best time!Will: Now may be the only time!
- Also notable as the coolest wedding ever captured on film.
—->Barbossa: Dearly beloved, we be gathered here today...TO NAIL YER GIZZARDS TO THE MAST, YE POXY CUR!- The last chapter of the Ranma ½ manga. The wedding that Ranma was bribed into going through with turns into a battle (but what doesn't in that story?). In the end the wedding is cancelled. And there the story ends.
- An omake episode of Daiakuji had Akuji getting married to Satsu, and an all-out gun battle erupts in the church. Akuji's a crime boss, so that might have been expected.
- "Tacky", a short story set in the universe of The Southern Vampire Mysteries, focuses on a wedding between a vampire and a werewolf, which devolves into a full-fledged battle when the catering staff turn out to be gun-toting anti-supernatural fanatics.
- An early Catwoman comic (from the mid-Nineties) showed on its cover Selina Kyle, half in her (then) purple cat costume and half in a ripped-up wedding dress (with little cats embroidered on it, of course) wielding two AK-47's and duking it out with a band of South American militants. "Here Comes the Bride," indeed.
- The Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha/Sailor Moon crossover fic White Devil of the Moon shows that, no matter who you think you are, it's a bad idea to try to crash a wedding attended to by the Takamachi family. And Fate.
- The opening of Spy Kids.
- Beetlejuice: "Sandworms. You know I hate 'em."
- The Jewel of the Nile features a Dream Sequence wedding interrupted by a pirate attack.
- The otherwise farcical softcore porn film To The Limit has a tragic example when a gang of Malevolent Masked Men carry out a wedding massacre - and yes, there is a Blood-Splattered Wedding Dress prominently featured.
- In A Song of Ice and Fire, weddings seem to have a habit of turning nasty.
—>Stannis: Weddings have become more perilous than battles, it would seem.- "The Red Wedding" (Edmure Tully to Roslin Frey) is definitely the Blood Splattered version, as the Freys used it to stage an ambush on Robb Stark and the collected top brass of the Northern army.
- King Joffrey's wedding leads to his own death, seemingly at the hands of the bride's family.
- Whatever you do, don't touch Lord Manderly's pies; in revenge for the Red Wedding, Ramsay Snow's marriage to an impostor of Arya Stark is sabotaged by Manderly and some other lords still loyal to the Starks.
- An interesting play on the trope is the wedding of Daenerys to Khal Drogo, where some wedding guests start fighting with each other. According to Illyrio this is normal for the Dothraki.
—->"A Dothraki wedding without at least three deaths is deemed a dull affair."