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Welcome to the new Complete Monster (CM) cleanup thread! This thread is where we clean up or cut already-existing entries.

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Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 14th 2024 at 11:30:03 AM

Paperfly Buzz from On The Wall Since: Jun, 2022
Buzz
#10351: Nov 19th 2023 at 2:47:16 AM

For Terrifier 2

  • Complete Monster: Art the Clown is a twisted killer with a habit of butchering nearly everyone who crosses him, usually for morbid amusement. Art often gets creative with torture and mutilation: bisecting a woman in front of her friend, crotch downwards; scalping and partially flaying a woman who tried to appeal to his conscience; disfiguring Vicky, and driving her to madness; and mutilating and disfiguring a teenage girl, keeping her barely alive for her mother to find. After his initial spree, Art kills himself to avoid arrest, only to be resurrected by a demonic entity for further mayhem. A year later, Art starts a new killing spree while stalking the Shaw siblings, Sienna and Jonathan, kidnapping Jonathan after killing their mother. Art would torture Jonathan and try to eat him alive, before fighting Sienna to the death; Art is reborn through Vicky following his second death.

Doesn't the bolded bit happen in the sequel, because the way the line is placed in the entry, it implies that this scene happens in the first movie.

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#10352: Nov 19th 2023 at 6:42:36 AM

Small rewrite to my The Storykeepers baddie.

From this:

  • "Starlight Escape": King Herod was a paranoid and temperamental tyrant who ruled over Israel. After being informed of the birth of the new King in Bethlehem by the traveling Magi, Herod tries to manipulate them into finding the child for him in order to kill the latter. After the Magi don't return with the location of the child, Herod spitefully orders his army to kill every male child under in Bethlehem under 2 years old.

To this:

  • "Starlight Escape": King Herod was a paranoid and temperamental tyrant who ruled over Israel. After being informed of the birth of the new King in Bethlehem by the traveling Magi, Herod tries to manipulate them into finding the child for him in order to kill him and secure his own rule. After the Magi don't return with the location of the child, Herod spitefully orders his army to kill every male child in Bethlehem under 2 years old.

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#10353: Nov 19th 2023 at 8:33:39 AM

[up][up] I did that re-write. I wrote it to cover Art's notable murders across both movies, because to write down all of them would just bloat the entry.

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
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#10354: Nov 19th 2023 at 9:47:08 AM

  • Elder Toguro, in contrast to his honorable younger brother, is a depraved sadist who cast aside his humanity to become a demon. During the Dark Tournament, Elder Toguro promises two bested opponents that he'll spare one depending on who wants it more. When one begs for his life, Elder Toguro kills him, then murders the other because he hates keeping promises. During his match against Kuwabara, Elder Toguro uses his shapeshifting powers to torture the latter both physically and emotionally by reenacting the murder of his friend Genkai. Nearly being killed by his brother for his dishonorable tactics, Elder Toguro allies with the genocidal Sensui. Tricking a psychic named Gourmet into eating him so he can hijack his body, Elder Toguro torturously eats him alive from the inside out, reveling in his fear as he drives him to suicide. Gaining his host's ability to absorb the power of whomever he cannibalizes, Elder Toguro eats the telepath Murota alive and intends to do the same to Kuwabara, with the end goal of using Kuwabara's power to open the barrier to the Demon World and allow the demons to Kill All Humans.
  • "Kahania" ("Close Shave"): Eran Dobrian is a seemingly innocent bystander who's being hunted for witnessing a murder by crime boss Garig Dobrian. In actuality, Eran is a prolific child abuser and murderer responsible for the disappearances of dozens of kids, keeping photos and keepsakes of his victims—the true reason he's being hunted by Garig. Trying to escape the island, Eran holds the barber Odell Martin at gunpoint. Described as a "sick boy touched by the Devil" by Garig—his own father—Eran sticks out as a depraved foe of the series whose crimes left hardened NAVY Seal Steve McGarrett shaken to his core.
  • Gravestone issue #6—"The Last Laugh": Jug is a seemingly normal clown and performer who is in actuality a bloodsucking vampire who was pursued by Gravestone over the years. Having feasted on the blood of peasants and royal nobles in the past, Jug throughout the centuries is responsible for a series of murders and kidnappings where he uses his performances as a secret hunting ground to eat. Claiming the lives of several innocents, children included, Jug plans on consuming Gravestone's blood so he'll become completely unstoppable.
  • Red Team: Sgt. Paul O'Dwyer is a corrupt officer who contrasts Red Team's good intentions with his pursuit of profit. O'Dwyer and his team make a habit of intercepting minor drug rings to brutally massacre everyone on the premises—both criminals and bystanders—before taking everything they find on the premises. Busting Red Team's failed attempt to thwart their murderous operations, O'Dwyer guns down two members of Red Team into bloody mush and smugly glories over his superior position whilst standing over their bodies. Standing as a perfect representation of what would happen if Red Team's morals were to ever degrade, O'Dwyer is one of the most unabashedly vile examples of a Dirty Cop put to the page.
  • Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles X Stranger Things:
    • The Mind Flayer is the abominable overseer of the Upside-Down, seeking to invade Earth and subsume its populace. Taking advantage of the Utrom dimensional experiments, the Mind Flayer enslaves the Utroms and forces them to begin opening portals throughout New York, allowing the Mind Flayer's "demogorgon" monsters to invade and kill civilians. After dozens have died, the Mind Flayer uses its forces to wrangle thousands of people into the middle of Times Square, plotting to open a massive portal directly beneath them and drag half of New York into the Upside-Down to be butchered.
    • Dr. Baxter Stockman is a fiendish scientist planning to create perfect predators from the realm of the Upside-Down. Stockman fuses his robotic Mousers with the Upside-Down demodogs and unleashes them on the city, regardless of who gets hurt. Capturing Eleven, Stockman experiments on her, planning to have her open portals to the Upside-Down for his scientific studies regardless of the collateral damage. When facing off against Raphael and Eleven, Stockman tries to psychologically break them both, trying to win by mentally breaking them to think they're nothing but lab experiments.
  • The Flash: The Fastest Man Alive issue #3: The Top, real name Roscoe Dillon, is a former scientist at Central City Advanced Robotics turned Arms Dealer. After losing his job for using his technology to enhance his body, the Top breaks into his old laboratory and leaves his robots to massacre other scientists. Deciding to impress investors by killing the Flash, the Top causes destruction in Central City to lure the Flash out and threatens to destroy the whole city with giant weapons unless its inhabitants surrender the Flash to him. When the citizens refuse his demands and his investors cut him off because of the destruction he caused, the Top tries to destroy Central City as a demonstration of the destructive power of his weapons.
  • Tevinter Nights' "The Wigmaker Job": Magister Ambrose Forfex, the Wigmaker, is a high-ranking member of the Venatori with a passion for making enchanted wigs. For this, Ambrose keeps "row after row" of his slaves chained to the ceiling and left in painful conditions such as having their mouth sewn shut and force-feeding them red lyrium, reducing them to almost lifeless husks, all so he can use their hair for his wigs. When confronted about this, Ambrose justifies himself by claiming morality is only a matter of perspective.
  • A Few Days in September (2006): William Pound is a CIA operative who loves to leave bodies in his wake. Pound finds Collateral Damage to be a beautiful thing, and so goes out of his way to kill people who aren't even part of his mission. He murders a hotel manager; a random intel source; and a security guard all on whims, in the latter case promising to spare him before killing him anyway. Part of a CIA plan to enable and allow the World Trade Center terror attacks to happen, Pound is dispatched to assassinate rogue agent Elliott and silence the information he possesses about the coming attack. Pound murders Elliott and then tries to kill the man's best friend Irene and his adult children, all with cheerful glee.
  • John Musgrave, the IMF's Director of Operations, poses as a friend to Ethan while plotting for war in the Middle East out of racism. Contracting Davian to locate the Rabbit's Foot, Musgrave intends on reporting the weapon's sale to terrorists to justify an invasion, while ready to replace Davian with any other merchant of death should Davian fail. Callously manipulating his fellow IMF colleagues, Musgrave boasts of his plan to a captive Ethan while threatening to have Davian kill his innocent fiancée.
  • Murderous Trance (aka The Guardian Angel) (2018): Bjørn Schouw Nielsen is a smug hypnotist who loves controlling others. Once a Nazi collaborator who helped arrange the capture of a group of Jews trying to flee from the hateful regime, Nielsen takes up hypnotism to satisfy his lust for power. He subjects Palle Hardrup to months of indoctrination and brainwashing, forcing the man to live through a vision of murdering his own mother over and over again; Neilsen then "tests" Hardrup's conditioning by forcing him to let Nielsen brutally assault and rape Hardrup's wife. Nielsen then uses Hardrup to carry out a bank robbery and double murder of innocents for cheap thrills, and when he risks being caught, Nielsen threatens to plunge Inspector Olsen's wife into a permanent coma unless he frames Hardrup solely for the crimes.
  • Suitable Flesh: "Ephraim Waite" is an ancient entity that was once an ordinary human before discovering a ritual that enabled him to swap bodies with others, causing his victims immense pain and trauma in the process. Ephraim would use this power to extend his life for countless years, stealing the bodies of those around him and using them to satisfy his sadistic, hedonist whims while ruining the life of the person whose body he swapped. In his latest spree, Ephraim possesses an elderly man, torments his young son Asa, then swaps bodies with him and kills Asa. Beginning to terrorize Asa's therapist Elizabeth, Ephraim uses her body to have sex with her unaware husband and rape them both by fraud. After swapping bodies with Elizabeth one last time, leaving her trapped in a mutilated husk, Ephraim then swaps bodies with Elizabeth's best friend Daniella, leaving the true Daniella trapped in Elizabeth's body in an insane asylum.
  • Kong: King of Skull Island: Bar-Atu is the High Priest of the Atu tribe of Skull Island, and a charlatan claiming to communicate with the Gods, including the monstrous Gaw, using fear to engineer human sacrifices. Bar-Atu slathers the sacrifices with a scent that attracts Gaw, using this method to exterminate the rival Tagu tribe after having pitted the tribes against each other. When Europeans become shipwrecked on the island, Bar-Atu convinces their captain to help kill his rival, Kublai, in exchange for the island's treasure; Bar-Atu later abandons the expedition to be butchered by Gaw, who is then killed by Kong. Taking credit for summoning Kong, Bar-Atu has Kublai killed, along with the island's elderly Storyteller, and begins sacrificing people to Kong, plotting to exterminate loyalists to Kublai's widow, Ishara. When Carl Denham's crew arrives on Skull Island, Bar offers to sell five of his tribe's women in exchange for Ann Darrow; when Denham refuses the trade, Bar has Ann abducted to be a sacrifice to Kong.
  • "Boys Will Be Boys", by Joe R. Lansdale: Clyde Edson is "a very rotten kid" who catches the attention of Brian Blackwood for his violent behavior. Clyde had previously taken over an apartment complex for the elderly by threatening to rape the caretaker's daughter if he wasn't allowed to stay; abused an old woman and nailed her dog to her door to acquire her home; and pimped out his friends' girlfriends in order to pay for rent. With every resident inside leaving, Clyde converts the building into The House, a brothel where homeless girls are drugged and made into sex slaves for hedonistic clients. Clyde also flooded the basement and used it to drown women he grew tired of, which included his pregnant girlfriend.
  • Shadow Police series: The Smiling Man is the new God of Evil for the city of London and the series's overarching threat. A smarmy, soft-spoken, yet greedy and sadistic deity, the Smiling Man murdered Lucifer and took over hell, with him personally overseeing all the tortures. The Smiling Man then kidnapped the souls of everyone who ever lived in London back to the very beginning and broke the metaphysical rules, ensuring that everyone who stayed in London, even for a single night, was condemned to hell upon death. Still hungry for more, the Smiling Man spreads chaos and fear through the city, subtly pulling the strings from behind the scenes in the murder sprees of both Mora Losley and the New Ripper, and orchestrating the Sherlock Holmes Murders. The Smiling Man also enabled Rob Toshack's ten years of conquest and rule of London's underworld; engineered the destruction of the city's mystical Council unleashing all the trapped horrors upon the citizens of London; spent years possessing and torturing Rebecca Lofthouse's husband Peter; and attempted to drive Inspector Quill to insanity and despair, all feeding into his overall plan to have Hell grow until it devours London.
  • Ashfur is a seemingly normal ThunderClan warrior during the second arc, but after his advances were rejected by Squirrelflight, he begins to spiral, and in the third arc, he reaches a boiling point, trapping Squirrelflight's children in a forest fire with the intent of making her watch them die, although he does ultimately move out of the way. After his death, he is allowed into StarClan despite his actions, under the reasoning that he "loved too much", but in the seventh arc, Ashfur possesses the body of Squirrelflight's mate and current ThunderClan leader, Bramblestar. With this newfound power, Ashfur begins to mistreat the members of ThunderClan, particularly Squirrelflight, even throwing her off the Highledge. At one point, Ashfur drags Squirrelflight down into the Dark Forest with the intent of holding her captive there until she agrees to be his mate or suffer like he has. We later learn that his true intentions are to destroy the Clans and their afterlives completely—even causing the evil residents of the Dark Forest to work together with the heroes to try to put a stop to his plans, showcasing how much damage that Ashfur's pettiness and psychosis can bring once he has the opportunity.
  • City of Men: Nefasto, a recurring enemy of Acerola and Laranjinha in the show before becoming the Big Bad of The Movie, proves that not all gangsters of Rio's slums are deserving of sympathy. Starting out as a particularly cruel enforcer for Madrugadão's gang, Nefasto—feeling that his boss constantly disrespected him—starts a bloody Mob War and leads an invasion of Sinuca's Hill to take power for himself, killing Madrugadão's innocent uncle out of spite. So bad is Nefasto's reputation that friends and families of Madrugadão's loyalists quickly escape the favela to avoid his petty wrath.
  • A Deadly Vision (1997): The killer is a lustful maniac who stalks women looking for a "mate" for him to sexually abuse. The killer would harass women before ambushing them in their homes and trying to assault them. When they resisted him, the killer would murder the women. He kills at least 3 women, with more implied by his notebook of names of his victims, and targets Babette for the same fate. The killer plans to force Babette Watson to watch as he kills her lover before raping her.
  • The Riverman (2004): Ted Bundy is a sadistic, narcissistic Serial Killer incarcerated for several murders. Masking dozens more rapes and murders across seven different states, Bundy killed girls as young as 12 and further defiled their corpses to "possess" them. Consulting with law enforcement ostensibly to catch the Green River Killer, but truthfully just using it as a chance to reminiscence about his crimes and be in the spotlight, Bundy tries his best to corrupt Detective Keppel into becoming a monster like himself.
  • Captain Marvel (2019): The Supreme Intelligence is an entity comprised of the greatest minds in Kree society uploaded into a single sapient being, and it is the absolute authority of the Kree Empire. The Supreme Intelligence has the single-minded goal to expand the rule of the Kree Empire as far and wide as possible, doing so by invading and oppressing countless planets. Due to the Skrulls resisting, the Supreme Intelligence had their homeworld of Skrullos destroyed and then hunted the Skrull survivors down to near-extinction. When Mar-Vell defected and assisted the Skrulls, the Supreme Intelligence ordered for Mar-Vell and her Light-Speed Engine to be captured. When Carol Danvers instead absorbs the engine's energy, the Supreme Intelligence crafts her into into a Living Weapon dubbed "Vers", erasing her memories and fabricating a story that the Skrulls killed her family before drafting her into the Starforce to war against the Skrulls. When Carol learns the truth, the Supreme Intelligence sees her as a threat and attempts to Mind Rape Carol into submission while authorizing a mass bombardment of Earth in a bid to wipe out the Skrulls.
  • Man-Thing series: Ellen Brandt is a conniving agent of A.I.M. who plans to weaponize the science of her supposed "lover" Ted Sellis. Brandt pretends to be in love with Ted simply so her true partner, Eric, can steal his work and they can experiment on multiple innocent people, mutating them into cannibalistic monsters. After a failed attempt to murder Ted results in him becoming the Man-Thing and scarring Brandt, she swears vengeance for her damaged face and leads an A.I.M. squad to destroy the Man-Thing. Brandt kills a group of young adults and other civilians who witnessed the Man-Thing, and she orders the murder of Man-Thing's friend and a child to silence them as well.
  • "Rites of Passage": David Traynor is a wealthy "talent agent" who trafficks ignorant and desperate young women to work as call girls. Presenting it as a high-party lifestyle, Traynor ensures numerous women remain enslaved and uses violence and coercion at any sign of disloyalty or hesitation. When one of his girls proves a problem, Traynor has her murdered via overdose.
  • "Fish": Richard is a veteran angler with a dark secret. Fancying the thrill of catching sharks, Richard enjoys a special chum to lure them out and resorts to abducting and brutally murdering innocent victims to chop them into bits of bite sized meat to lure in sharks, a fate that befalls several victims in the story and many before them.
  • Tools of Destruction: Emperor Percival Tachyon, the diminutive, tyrannical dictator of the Polaris Galaxy, is one of the most personal foes Ratchet ever faced. A Cragmite who was found and taken in by the Lombax people, Tachyon repaid their years of compassion and care by tricking them into giving him an arsenal, which he used to carry out a bloody genocide against the very people who raised him. Hundreds of Lombaxes died at Tachyon's hands in his purge, with the survivors forced to flee to another dimension. As he ruthlessly conquered the Polaris Galaxy by staging brutal invasions and enslavements of entire planets, Tachyon instituted Gladiator Games and repurposed Zordoom Prison into his own personal torture and execution station for any rebels. Regularly threatening his minions with death for the slightest of failures, Tachyon schemes to tear open dimensional gateways and recreate the Great Cragmite Empire under his banner so he can conquer all dimensions. Though sometimes amusing in his villainy, Tachyon is a merciless, self-absorbed, and psychopathic despot whose greatest moment of cruelty comes when he sadistically mocks Ratchet over his parents' deaths at Tachyon's hands.
  • RoboCop: Rogue City: "Wendell Antonowsky", "the New Guy in town", is a crime boss who takes a special interest in RoboCop. Supposedly the brother of Emil Antonowsky seeking to have RoboCop give up his humanity to improve his life by forcing him to witness nightmarish hallucinations, Wendell is revealed to be a nameless OCP executive placed in charge of the Afterlife program, having dozens of cops killed and their brains harvested to perform illegal experiments on. Allowing the Torch Heads and Street Vultures to commit crimes throughout the city, Wendell will kill any of his men for failing him, while simultaneously refusing to pay them. Arrested for his crimes, Wendell stages a violent prison break that leaves many dead; has a hospital massacred in an attempt to kill a recovering Officer Lewis; and endangers a demonstration conference by hijacking Max Becker's UED robots to cause mayhem. Growing frustrated with OCP's control over him, Wendell starts a massive riot in an attempt to burn all of Old Detroit down and rule the new Delta City as a haven for criminals.
  • Fixing RWBY: Cinder Fall is an ambitious agent of Salem, whose actions have left the world in a state of disunity and chaos. Cinder is responsible for stealing the powers of the Fall Maiden by killing the previous host, causing the Fall of Beacon, and has the deaths of countless civilians and friends of Ruby Rose at her feet. Using an alias to create articles to stir up tensions during the Vytal Festival, emotionally manipulating students to create more drama, downloading a virus into Penny to force Pyrrha to use lethal force against the robot girl; these acts aid Cinder in dividing humanity once more. In Mistral, Cinder participates in killing off most of Mistral's Huntsmen, as well as wiping out any bandit tribe she comes across in her search for Raven. Cinder supports Adam Taurus and the White Fang's plan to start a wide-scale coup to take control of Mistral and all of Anima, which would not only allow Adam to take control of the kingdom and continent but trigger a second Great War as well.
  • What If Sidious Saved the Younglings from Order 66 (link): Darth Sidious turns Anakin Skywalker to his side and orders the extermination of the adult Jedi while planning to turn the younglings and surviving Padawans into his Dark Side army. Sidious has them watch as he kills Yoda before sending them all to the Sith temple on Krayiss II. Sidious declares himself Emperor of the Galaxy and uses Anakin to destroy all who dare to rise up against him, while raising his army in The Dark Side by having them massacre innocents across the galaxy. Sidious manipulates Anakin and his wife Padme into turning against each other while corrupting their children to evil, resulting in nine-year-old Leia pushing her friend to her death when they had a disagreement. Sidious has his Sith army fight among themselves so only the strongest will remain, taking surviving losers and the bodies of dead ones to be experimented on in Sidious's quest for immortality. Sidious sends Anakin to kill Obi-Wan and Ahsoka while inducting his children into his Sith army. Sidious eventually orders Anakin to get rid of the last opposition to his rule, Padme included, while using it to turn Luke and Leia against their father. Sidious fully takes Anakin as his apprentice after he kills the twins, successfully attains immortality, and rules the galaxy with the new Sith Empire forever.
  • Megatron is the cruel, ruthless leader of the Decepticons and the Autobots' worst enemy. A megalomaniac who overthrew Megazarak, the generally peaceful leader of the Decepticons, to make them his own, Megatron spurred them into an all-out war against the Autobots, leading to heavy casualties on both sides. Megatron utilized chemical weapons that wiped out entire battlefields—even his own men—and air bombings on civilians. After resurrecting himself on Earth, Megatron first hires Stiletto to steal an experimental alloy and a high-powered laser scalpel, uncaring when it nearly destroys an entire bridge filled with people. Megatron tries to convince Soundwave to try and enslave or wipe out all of humanity, and then tries to raze Earth himself. When foiled in this scheme, Megatron makes several attempts to invade Cybertron. Some of his worst acts include poisoning the new, impressionable Constructicons against their first friend Bulkhead before painfully branding them with the Decepticon insignia, and then trying to trap all the Autobots in an agonizing fate with Swindle's EMP weapon. Eventually, ordering Decepticon attacks on several Autobot bases throughout the cosmos while he personally invades Cybertron and destroys its Autobot leaders, Megatron makes his new Omega Supreme clones and tries to test them by first annihilating Detroit.
  • Colonel Leland "Silas" Bishop is the ruthless leader of MECH, a terroristic military group out to covet Cybertronian technology for their own ambitions. Capturing the Decepticon Breakdown, Silas has him vivisected while conscious to learn the secrets of Cybertronian biology. Allying with the sadistic Airachnid, Silas kidnaps Jack Darby's mother and uses her as a bargaining chip for his Autobot ally Arcee to turn herself in or else his mother dies—uncaring of keeping his end of the deal and letting Airachnid try to kill them anyway. Creating "Nemesis Prime", Silas has it attack a military base to frame the Autobots as rampaging marauders—intending on creating an army of robots to help MECH be the established global military force. Revived by MECH and merged with Breakdown's body, Silas—now calling himself CYLAS—thanks them for their dedication and promptly slaughters them out of a newfound god complex. Slaughering a military base to acquire a laser satellite for Megatron, Silas willingly attempts to doom humanity merely for "a place at [Megatron's] table".
  • Stuart, the Collector, is a notorious Serial Killer working with many shady organizations. He kills many in brutal and sadistic ways, then immortalizes the patterns of their dying life forces in a crystal for him to collect, as he finds said pattern to be the most beautiful. Stuart murders the families of both Kaine and Sinestrea for no apparent reason, leaving the two traumatized. Stuart then decides to torment Kaine further by goading him to give in to his demonic lineage, as Stuart suspects that his demonic transformation will produce a more beautiful pattern. Even as a human amongst magically inclined creatures, Stuart stands out as one of the most depraved humans to walk in Athanor, matching the Hero he replaces.
  • Crisis Beat: Lieutenant-Colonel Whigen is the leader of a terrorist organization intending to reshape the world In Their Own Image. Hijacking the Princess, a luxury cruiser carrying 4,000 passengers, Whigen has his men install a powerful nerve gas agent in the cruiser's bowels which will kill everyone on board, and has his men shoot down a fleet of Delta Force helicopters trying to suppress the takeover, gloating after learning news of the Delta Force's annihilation. When the heroes managed to foil his plans, Whigen instead reveals he had installed explosives everywhere underneath the Princess' hull, ready to detonate all of them and sink the ship as he makes his own escape, uncaring about his remaining lieutenants still aboard the Princess.
  • Mr. Miller is Dylan's foster father and a reclusive farmer who is revealed to be a serial killing cannibal. Deranged and violent, Mr. Miller forced Dylan to eat human meat, destroying all his belongings when he refused. Conditioning the disabled Dylan into enjoying human meat, he worked with Dylan with kidnapping, imprisoning, and feasting upon victims, having dozens of corpses underneath his house. Despite Mr. Miller's death, his actions turned Dylan into becoming a psychopathic serial killer and a cannibal like him.
  • Loopmancer: Wei Long is protagonist Xiang Zixu's personal nemesis and the man responsible for ruining Xiang's life, arranging for an accident that leaves Xiang nearly dead, Xiang's wife reduced to a wheelchair-bound cripple, and Xiang's little daughter killed, which Wei Long shows absolutely no remorse over. Escaping the authorities thanks to his lawyers, Wei Long allies himself with Tompson Technologies as their main supplier of Human Resources, arranging for the entire population of the rural Ditch Village to be used for their experiments, with thousands of subjects suffering plenty of Body Horror and losing their sapience into becoming feral, mindless monstrosities, even having rivals in the Triads and his own failed minions captured to be delivered for experiments. As Xiang confronts Wei Long one last time, Wei Long mocks him over his dead daughter while threatening he will make Xiang's handicapped wife suffer an even worse death.
  • Scourge: Outbreak: Dr. Reisbeck, in the aftermath of the first outbreak, realizes the potential of the Scourge in dominating the world and discreetly breeds a Scourge Queen in Nogari's underground labs. Manipulating the Echo Squad into eliminating the first Queen, Lilith, while posing as their ally, Dr. Reisbeck tricks them into fighting the decoy of his Queen, taunting them as he takes leave. In the aftermath weeks later, Reisbeck has successfully unleashed more Scourge infestations on various cities, turning the world into a hellhole overrun by alien monsters he can control, with his last scene having him hunt down survivors of the Echo Squad.
  • Mythic Warriors: Guardians of the Legend's "Icarus and Daedalus" & "Theseus and the Minotaur": King Minos is the tyrannical ruler of Crete. Minos asks Daedalus to build him weapons, claiming he will only use them to defend his kingdom. After the Athenian fleet arrived following his call for peace negotiations, Minos has Daedalus's weapons, including a giant robot named Talos, unleashed on them, resulting in the destruction of the whole fleet. Those who survived are locked in the Labyrinth, an inescapable prison built by Daedalus which houses a man-eating Minotaur. Minos reveals to Daedalus that as the price for their defeat in the war, every year the Athenians must send seven sons and seven daughters to be sacrificed to the Minotaur or Athens will be destroyed. When Daedalus refuses to make any more weapons, Minos imprisons Daedalus and his son, Icarus, with the only way out being through the Labyrinth. Upon learning of the two escaping with man-made wings, Minos orders his men to shoot them down. After the last batch of Athenians arrive, Minos has them them taken to an arena to face his bulls unarmed, with those lucky enough to survive being sent to the Labyrinth. Following the Minotaur's death and the escape of the Athenians, Minos orders them to be stopped, threatening to have his general beheaded if any Athenian leaves the harbour alive.
  • Samurai Rabbit: The Usagi Chronicles: The Makkine Supreme Commander is the leader of the mechanical Makkine, under whose leadership they plunder the multiverse. It has countless world razed and what remains of their inhabitants enslaved, or utterly destroyed if the world shows too much resistance. When the Unu fight back against the Makkine, the Supreme Commander has the race brought to near extinction while freezing the survivors in stasis and reducing them to microscopic size, forcing their leader Kagehito to see the fate of his people before enslaving him to its will; it sends Kagehito to Usagi's world to open a gateway for the Makkine invasion. When the portal is finally opened, the Supreme Commander sends warbotto and the mechanical beast to raze Neo Edo to the ground, planning to subject the now free Kagehito to a Fate Worse than Death. When the heroes successfully destroy the beast, the Supreme Commander orders the entire planet destroyed.
  • "Starlight Escape": King Herod was a paranoid and temperamental tyrant who ruled over Israel. After being informed of the birth of King in Bethlehem the new King in Bethlehem by the traveling Magi, Herod tries to manipulate them into finding the child for him in order to kill him and secure his own rule. After the Magi don't return with the location of the child, Herod spitefully orders his army to kill every male child in Bethlehem under 2 years old.
  • Twelfth Doctor: "Thin Ice": Lord Sutcliffe is a vile businessman from Regency England who captures an alien sea creature. Discovering feeding it humans causes the beast to defecate remains which can be molded into bricks which burn better and cheaper than coal, Sutcliffe begins luring in innocents to kill for profit. Having done so for years and including children amongst his victims, Sutcliffe attempts to bomb the ice of the Frozen Fair to drop dozens of people to his monster.

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Agentofchaos A God Am I from Somewhere in the Universe Since: Dec, 2021
#10355: Nov 19th 2023 at 10:20:50 AM

I noticed RWBY isn't listed on Monster.Video Games even though RWBY has video game CM in Dr. Merlot from Grimm Eclipse

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Agentofchaos A God Am I from Somewhere in the Universe Since: Dec, 2021
#10357: Nov 19th 2023 at 4:27:39 PM

On the dates page Trolls Band Together is listed but not who reserved it. I'm not interested in reserving it, but who did?

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#10358: Nov 20th 2023 at 6:10:57 PM

btw, I have a cut to propose, from Baldur's Gate 3; Orin the Red.

Now, Orin is a fucking monster. She's a rapist, a serial killer, an apocalyptic monster, BUT...her father/grandfather Sarevok? Twisted as it is and as much as she legit wants to murder him, she does eem to genuinely love him. Like, in one dialogue choice, she breaks the fuck down if she learns Sarevok tried to have her murdered and devolves into a crying mess that her betrayed her, prompting Bhaal to hijack her for the ensuing fight.

As bad as Orin is....as warped as her version of love is, I think she's a narrow cut.

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#10359: Nov 20th 2023 at 6:15:44 PM

I... I'm not sure... the way that you explain it sounds less like "love" and more like "obsession". It seems sorta like Philip Wittebane who is utterly obsessed with the idea of his brother. He will happily murder the actual person.

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OccasionalExister Since: Jul, 2012
#10360: Nov 20th 2023 at 6:17:43 PM

I agree on Orin's cut. Her love for Sarevok is fucked up given the nature of their relationship, but when she finds out Sarevok was the one who ordered her mother/sister to kill her, Orin has a complete emotional breakdown, saying everything she did was to please Sarevok, not Bhaal. It takes the God of Murder erasing her identity and turning her into a literal monster to get her to stop.

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#10361: Nov 20th 2023 at 6:18:17 PM

Forgo... not everything is a Belos comparison and this seems pretty cut and dry. Cut Orin.

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#10362: Nov 20th 2023 at 6:20:10 PM

[up]Sorry! He's just a fascinating example. In that case, a very disappointed cut. Why did they have to include that detail with the grandfather?

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LoreDeluxe Since: May, 2013
#10363: Nov 20th 2023 at 6:24:14 PM

Cut Orin, but I am curious as to the change in opinion with this relatively quick turnover. You leaned the opposite when you did the effort post back in August. Was there any particular revelation that changed your mind or did you simple think about it over time and decided against your initial opinion?

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#10364: Nov 20th 2023 at 6:28:53 PM

It’s not Belos related and we don’t need to ponder why they chose to put this in. From my understanding of the character it still meshes with the villain, cut, no need to get upset over her leaving. The game still brought plenty.

Agentofchaos A God Am I from Somewhere in the Universe Since: Dec, 2021
#10365: Nov 20th 2023 at 7:57:30 PM

Cut Orin

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#10366: Nov 20th 2023 at 8:53:50 PM

Cut Orin. That's a pretty good argument.

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#10368: Nov 20th 2023 at 9:07:32 PM

Little thinking it over but also seeing the very specific dialogue and not just Orin angrily saying she wanted to murder him herself.

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#10369: Nov 21st 2023 at 12:34:12 AM

Orin seems like a cut, especially if she breaks down so much that Bhaal is able to hijack her.

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#10370: Nov 21st 2023 at 12:42:33 AM

Cut Orin. She seems to genuinely care for her old man.

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#10371: Nov 21st 2023 at 6:12:03 AM

Cut Orin, and if people could stop a) complaining every time a CM gets cut for having any sort of character depth and b) bringing up Belos every time Even Evil Has Loved Ones comes up as if every single villain must be like Belos, that'd be great

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Beast from Ontario, Canada Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
#10372: Nov 21st 2023 at 10:11:12 AM

[up] Okay, but only one person made that comparison, and in general, making these kinds of comparisons and examples are things we do often on these threads. There generally harmless and not something I think we should crack down on.

With that being said, cut Orin.

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#10374: Nov 21st 2023 at 10:14:48 AM

It’s the fact that it keeps being Belos and often in places where it’s transparently nothing like Belos. It’s far from the first time this has happened and the issue isn’t comparisons as a concept.

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#10375: Nov 21st 2023 at 10:24:35 AM

[up] x4. Looks like we're falling into the same pitfalls as before where CMs are treated as if they were a badge of honor and them going off the list is considered "sad". This is not okay and I agree with you.

Cut Orin.

Edited by Mr-ex777 on Nov 22nd 2023 at 2:25:29 AM


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