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Welcome to the Trope Pantheons thread! Please read the rules:

    Rules 
Rules. The following are not suggestions or tips, but things that have to be followed:
  • When writing a profile, take note of the following:
    • Gods cannot be followers or high priests for obvious reasons. The 'gods' have ascended meaning there is no need for said character to be a follower of another if they have ascended.
    • No hype profiles, please. 'Hype Profiles' are profiles that have been made out of ongoing events and have not been around for a long time. This creates 'hype' due to popularity and certain elements either through certain scenes, memes, dramatic acting or considered overly awesome. They are not bad tropes but building a portfolio solely for that is a bad idea, as they do not say a thing about representing the trope best (unless it's those trope concepts that they are trying to embody for a long time)
      • You can see one if the profile is only showing off how awesome they are or suddenly pushing how 'significant' they are thanks to the just very recent events rather than respecting the longstanding good representations of the trope. And usually having... minimum portfolio or flavor texts and being a bit too generalized or self-contained to events from within their home series instead of interacting with other Pantheon members.
  • When posting in the forum, take note of the following:
    • When you suggest a God, please explain why they fit the trope. Not everyone is going to understand just "X should be the God of Y because they exemplify the trope" off the bat, especially if they're unfamiliar with the work.
    • You must use the Trope Pantheons discussion thread in the forums if you wish to add a new deity, story, something else of importance to the Trope Pantheon canon, or reworking an existing deity (be it simply improving their existing profile or changing their title).
      • For new and reworked deities, 3 [tup] means the profile will have a one week waiting period.
      • For new and reworked deities, 4 [tup] is a 3 day waiting period.
      • 5 [tup] is an automatic ascension for new and reworked deities.
      • Speaking of reworks, for anyone that wants to improve such profiles, they have to review the current trope the character(s) has and see if it still holds up or if there is a better rep for their trope.
    • For adding new Treasures to The Great Treasury or new Dominions to the Dominions, the following rules apply:
      • For new Treasures or Dominions, 3 [tup] is a 3 day waiting period.
      • 4 [tup] is an automatic addition to the Great Treasury or Dominions.
    • Do not repost a profile in the forums more than twice in a day if noticeable changes have not been made in between. If a profile is posted a third time in a row without noticeable alterations, it will be downvoted. This is so spamming of no-effort profiles is less frequent and to prevent tropers from getting aggravated seeing the same profile over and over. The minimum acceptable change has to be a single flavour text.
    • The Pantheon is not a mouthpiece for you to voice your opinions on certain characters. You may like certain characters more than others, but do not make the mistake of making profiles for characters you like look like Character Shilling.
    • Tropers new to the Pantheon are barred from approving or downvoting profiles until they have ascended at least two profiles.
    • Do not include fan reception in any profiles. It has nothing to do with the character themselves and will create unnecessary conflict.
    • Write a detailed explanation on why the character is the best candidate for deity of that trope. If people disagree with you, do not force it on the people.
    • Keep in mind that if you still want to try to find a trope for a particular character, you are only given three chances to find a particular trope for them. If a suggestion goes past three possible tropes, then it will come off as shoehorning a character into the Pantheon just for the sake of that character to be there.
      • On a related note, even if a character does have a free trope being suggested, there is still a limit of three attempts for suggesting that character for that trope. If no one responds to that certain proposal after being posted three times, then it will get to the point where the idea will be seen as being shoehorned into the Pantheon. In addition, the idea needs to be considered acceptable and approved because they are good, not for the sake of pitying others because no one is responding to their idea.
  • When posting Pantheon related stuff to the wiki, take note of the following:
    • Do not put a link to these Pantheon pages into the main wiki page. The moment you want to add in a main Characters page that the character is a God of this trope, do not do it. If you see leftovers of this practice, inform the forum and use the cutlist. This also goes to the Trivia page. The only exception to this rule is if a page in the Pantheon could be confused for a page in Main, like Good Colors, Evil Colors and Good and Evil Colors.
    • Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment ALSO applies here. Do not bring things that would incite fights, even if it is what is currently the hot topic and might be 'urgent'. For example, the political scene and some really bad politicians. We are not here to fight at each other, so don't suggest things that go to that direction, this is a fictional Pantheon after all.
    • To add a Pantheon page for a certain work, 4 or more characters coming from the same series/franchise should be ascended before adding the page. For Creator specific pages, 4 deities coming from the same creator and 2 individual work pages coming from the same creator is the minimum to warrant a page.
    • Do not create a trope page for a story until the story is fully completed.

    Instructions and Tips 
Here are some tips one should keep in mind when editing:

  • Preparing to write:
    • First thing to do before present a profile is to go to the Trope Pantheons discussion thread. In the forums, you must discuss with other users on adding ideas and seek their approval with sound reasoning. You can also get some assistance in the forum thread by either asking for help and those interested asking if they can help. Submissions that are added without discussion are likely to be deleted and those who violate those rules by adding Pantheon content without discussion will get reported to the mods.
    • If you feel the need to remove a character for some reason (poor quality, outdated titles, etcetera) and replace him/her with another or outright rework, please see what the other tropers think about this in the discussion thread before doing anything hasty. Use good reasoning to see if your idea can easily replace the character present without drawing out your statement or giving too ambiguous claims most do not understand.
    • Please be sure to consult others in the discussion about what you want to work before making the profile. This is done to see if your proposal is the best representative and so, in case your profile is turned down, you do not waste time writing something that others might not find suitable.
      • In the same vein, if you adopt a profile from another troper, it is recommended that you make an announcement that you have done so on the discussion thread. More often than not, a trope that was reserved for something was given away to someone else. Check the Related tab on the top of a page to see if a trope or character has been reserved by a user.
    • If, for whatever reason, you are writing about a God who just happens to be a person in real life, just try to be very careful about what you decide to say. Do not try to make the editing seem too meta (self-referential) and use the aformentioned creativity to create hypothetical scenarios towards fictional characters.
  • When writing a profile for a character, here are a few things to note:
    • All deities should be sorted by their divine ranking. Put Overdeities on the top of the page and Quasideities on the bottom. Also be sure to add them in alphabetical order by their first/given name (can be reversed if it is Eastern ordered). For a group, if there is no official name for them all list down all their names by order of relevance or (if too long to list) title them as Insert Name Here Main Characters or some other identifiable title along the same lines.
    • The maximum number of tropes that a god can have is two, but do not try to abuse that fact. If you need to use a second trope to specify a certain thing about their position, that can be excused either because said character represents their trope choice very well alongside the first trope. It is still generally encouraged to only have one trope.
    • A trope can only belong to one profile at a time. The only time two profiles can share a trope is if there are explicit variations listed in the trope page proper (e.g. Muscle Angst is held by both Biscuit Krueger and Chihiro Fujisaki as the former represents "Too Much Muscle" and the latter represents "Not Enough Muscle")
    • If the character you are about to add to a House already exists in another, make sure to mention that this person has spots in other House as well. Up to 2 places can be made for a deity, with the sole exceptions being those at the Main House to highlight those characters’ importance to the Pantheon’s lore.
    • For a character's theme song, try to avoid calling it "Theme of God X" or "Theme of (Show where God X originates from)". If possible, try to find out if the song has an actual name through research. Most importantly, it has to be part their series’ official soundtracks from media. Do not list songs that are made by fans or outside sources. If they were not specifically used as music for that specific character, then they do not count. Furthermore, it has to be a general theme specifically made for that characters’ appearances, not some generic music that plays for many other instances not related to the character in question.
    • For images, when adding an image for your chosen character, it is highly recommended to use a stylized image that embodies the character or renders that also highlights a character’s behavior (such as cool poses). Most images should be from the main adaptations of the character, unless the images from the other media are of a higher quality than the adaptation. Unless it is needed, do not use fanart for images. If you are, please attribute to the original artist. Due to the website’s dark mode, removing white backgrounds from an image is paramount. This website is suggested to do the background removal. If an image you have takes up too much bytes, it is suggestible to use this site to reduce the byte size. If the byte is still too big, put the compressed image to other sites (or even the same one) to compress even further. Use wikias to look for better images, as even wikias for the series might not contain good official images.
    • Creativity is your friend. While it is not recommended to get too ditzy at your ideas, it is best that when writing a profile for a certain character, do you think of capable scenarios between X and Y. Tip: do not use shallow examples (X wields a sword and Y wields one too) and try to think of relationships that makes sense (i.e those characters that are shout-outs for another).
  • Pantheon Content:
    • Some series or genres will eventually have greater representation in the Pantheon than others. This is unavoidable, but a little diversity helps to make you not look like a shill per say. Try to ensure that if you add a deity from a popular series, make sure that it is because they are a good representative for the trope in question, and not just because they are connected to another deity in their respective canon.
      • As far as deities from actual mythologies, there is generally expectation to build the profiles off interactions from fictional portrays rather than basing it entire from the actual myth. Therefore, a mythological deity should be more of a Composite Character whose main identity is from the actual myth.
    • Occasionally there will be Gods that carry a title without a trope. This is not forbidden, but it is well advised not to abuse them. The only house that a tropeless profile are wholly allowed is the House of Food. Mainly due to most food items lacking tropes, and adding tropes about said foodstuffs is slightly unnecessary. However, the character being ascended for their choice of a food, or food-related thing must be a decently good representative of said item. (i.e their Trademark Favorite Food, or something that they are closely associated with In-Universe, or both).
    • For Dominions and Treasures profiles, always consider what made those places/objects popular in the first place. Were they plot-important, identifiable imagery or have a unique aspect of it? Do not just bring regular objects under the basis of following a certain canon.
  • For Profile Standards:
    • Flavor text is used to describe certain things about a character, place or object. To avoid short ones, it is recommended to write flavor text with 4-7 sentences that can fill around 2 lines each. Be warned that adding too many sentences does not equal good flavor text as it is not an essay of sorts (unless words are substantial and do add to the overall line).
    • Character Profiles of a certain person should have the following:
      • A portfolio that contains at least 7 (at the minimum) tropes describing their character.
      • Flavor text count for a deity profile should have by minimum, 10 (depending if the character in question has enough relationships/characterization) to 15 with a maximum of 20-25 for an individual profile.
      • On the other hand, group profiles (profiles of a group that has 4 or more members) have their maximum flavor text count to 15 minimum, giving individual lines for the other members of the group (unless the members are not as characterized) up to 30 at max.
    • Dominion profiles of a certain place should have the following:
      • A portfolio that contains at least 5 (at the minimum) tropes describing the context of the place.
      • Flavor text count should range at least 10 to 15.
    • Treasure profiles (inanimate objects without a trope) should have the following:
      • A portfolio that contains at least 6 (at the minimum) tropes that describes the object itself.
      • Flavor text count should be at least 7 flavor text up to 12 to constitute a treasure profile.

    Divine Ranking System 
  • Overdeity: Omnipotent-level Reality Warpers capable of manipulating the entire universe (or at least the world) at will. Within their own universe they are believed to be omnipotent, or at least impossible-to-completely-destroy embodiments or concepts.
  • Greater Gods: High-level Reality Warpers and that are extremely powerful (capable of destroying or changing anywhere from a large city to a planet at will) and very strong non-reality warpers capable of doing the same thing.
  • Intermediate Gods: Deities at this level are capable of strong but specialized powers such as hydrokinesis, pyrokinesis, etc. without major drawbacks and low level Reality Warpers capable of affecting their immediate area at will.
  • Lesser Gods: Capable of highly specific or little power on their own, or suffer from Power at a Price. However, they may be able to ruthlessly exploit their power or combine it with just being badass enough to make up for it.
  • Demigods: Basically the Badass Normals of the pantheon, making up for their lack of abilities with strength, strategy, and/or planning.
  • Quasideities: Any otherwise normal human, human equivalent, or below without any special powers or training will fall here.

    Templates 
Template for adding a new deity:

God X, God/dess of (Insert Trope Here) (Alternate names/Nicknames, Fan Nickname)

  • An image, if possible. Please use official art or a screenshot for a picture.
  • Rank: This can range from Quasideity, Demigod, Lesser God, Intermediate God, Greater God, to Overdeity, based on representation of power mentioned above.
  • Symbol: An image or icon used to represent the deity.
  • Theme Song: Official song (in other words, no fan music, regardless of quality) that usually is used in affiliation with the character. If the deity is a musician this will most likely be their Signature Song. If possible, give a link for reference, preferably on either a website like Soundcloud or YouTube.
  • Alignment: Good, evil, neutral etc. Forget about The Great Character Alignment Debate here, the Pantheon is one of the few places where you can assign Dungeons & Dragons alignment to characters that don't have alignment system. After all, the Pantheon is based on D&D and is made for fun.
  • For PokĂ©mon deities only:
    • Gender: Defines the gender of the PokĂ©mon; if genderless, it instead defines what gender they identify as.
    • Ability: Provides the PokĂ©mon's ability. If they can Mega Evolve, the new ability is listed as well.
    • Moves: Defines the four moves used by a PokĂ©mon. A Z-Move may also be listed.
  • Portfolio: Tropes associated with the character.
  • Domains: Things that the character has influence over.
  • Herald: Non-ascended loyal character that is from the same series as the ascended character.
  • High Priest: Non-ascended like heralds, but not from the same series, and can serve as a worthy replacement in case something would happen. They can be served as part-time workers in case the originals are busy with some jobs. Co-Godhood is accepted depending on the approval of the originals, usually if the co-deity is from the same series.
  • Followers: Non-ascended characters that are not part of the Pantheon, but would probably worship this character by the fact that they share the ascended character's trope.
  • Relationships between ascended characters go here with your chosen character, it goes something like this:
    • Allies: Members of the Pantheon that are allies, those that share the same values as them and would theoretically be friends with them.
    • Rivals: Members of the Pantheon that are rivals, people who may look at your character with suspicion or a challenge.
    • Enemies: Members of the Pantheon that are foes, those who would see your chosen character as a threat, either on their pespective or yours.
    • Additional Character Relationships: Members of the Pantheon that do not fit in various relationships (examples include Enemy Mine, Vitriolic Best Buds, Teeth-Clenched Teamwork, Headbutting Heroes, Friendly Enemy, Friendly Rival, Just Friends, etc.), allies, rivals, or enemies.
    • Partner: Defines a partnership with an ascended deity and Mon-type. (if any)
    • Feared by/Fears: A deity whom the members of the Pantheon notably fear or are feared by.
    • Respected by/Respects: A deity whom the members of the Pantheon respect or are respected by.
    • Opposed by/Opposes: Not necessarily the same as "Enemies", but this is used for any deity whom the members of the Pantheon directly opposes or is opposed by (basically the opposite of "Respects") terms of certain viewpoints, regardless of alignment.
    • Pitied by/Pities: A deity whom the members of the Pantheon feel pity for or are found pitiable by.
    • Conflicting Opinion: Sometimes, the Deities argue over specific themes and philosophies.
  • Add the Intro. The intro is made up of two trivia, the Ascension Text (or just the Ascension) and The Bio. Both are necessary, but which order you use for them may vary depending on the profile in question. It may be better for one profile to have The Bio first and the Ascension second or vice-versa, although for the most part the order is irrelevant:
    • The Ascension Text: This the story of how the character got into the Pantheon and/or was ascended. There are many ways for this to happen. They may be tricked into it or have simply wandered into the Pantheon, they may have had an already ascended character bring them in, they may already be in the Pantheon (via being another deity's Herald or sharing a trope) and got "promoted", or some combination of the above. Anything is possible in the Pantheon, so use your imagination, but try to incorporate their trope into the story, if possible.
    • The Bio: A brief synopsis on the character's backstory. No need for the character's entire life/production history, but just give enough that those who don't know the character can get an idea of how the character works.
  • Now add some random trivia/facts about events/alignments/moments/fights/friendships/relations etc.
  • And some more trivia/facts.
  • And a couple of more.
    • Note: Standard amount of flavor text for Deities/Characters is 10-15 (15-20 for group profiles) at minimum to 20-25 (30 for group profiles) at maximum.

Template for Dominions profiles:

Place X, Place of (Insert Trope Here) (Alternate names/Nicknames, Fan Nickname)

  • An image, if possible. Please use official art or a screenshot for a picture.
  • Theme Song (Optional): Not important as compared to Deity and Dominion profiles but a notable mention if there is an accompanying song in use with the object.
  • Alignment: Refers to the dominion's role in their story, be it those used by villains or used by the Player Character.
  • Portfolio: Tropes associated with the dominion.
  • Domains: Things that the place has links to.
  • Relationships (Optional): Unless the location has a connection with a specific deity, relationships are optional and may not be required. However, if there are deities linked to the same series as where the dominion is linked to, note them using the relationships, this includes deities that theoretically have interest with said dominion, good or evil otherwise.
  • Add the Intro. Here the introduction of the Dominion is added with some tidbits regarding the origins of its' creation and usage in the story. You can also add what made it popular/iconic/important here.
  • Now add some random trivia/facts about events/alignments/moments/fights/friendships/relations etc.
  • And some more trivia/facts.
  • And a couple of more.
    • Note: Standard amount of flavor text for Dominions is 10 at minimum to 15 at maximum.

Template for Treasure profiles:

The name of the item in here (Alternate names/Nicknames, Fan Nickname)

  • An image, if possible. Please use official art or a screenshot for a picture.
  • Appearance: A shortened description of the item's looks with some notable features also mentioned.
  • Class: Refer to the Treasure Classification System in the Great Treasury.
  • Alignment: Refers to the objects' role in their story, be it those used by villains or used by the Player Character.
  • Theme Song (Optional): Not important as compared to Deity and Dominion profiles but a notable mention if there is an accompanying song in use with the object.
  • Museum Check: A note that says whether the item is viewable by the public.
  • Portfolio: Tropes associated with the item.
  • Domains: Things that the item has links to.
  • Relationships (Optional): Unless the item has a connection with a specific deity, relationships are optional and may not be required. However, if there are deities linked to the same series as where the item is linked to (especially the original owner of the item), note them using the relationships, this includes deities that theoretically have interest with said object, good or evil otherwise.
  • Add the Intro. Here the introduction of the Treasure is added with some tidbits regarding the origins of its' creation and usage in the story. You can also add what made it popular/iconic/important here.
  • Now add some random trivia/facts about events/alignments/moments/fights/friendships/relations etc.
  • And some more trivia/facts.
  • And a couple of more.
    • Note: Standard amount of flavor text for Treasures is 7 at minimum to 12 at maximum.

Edited by Willbyr on May 24th 2021 at 7:52:09 AM

KaoticKanine from Vania of Pencils Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#194451: Dec 17th 2022 at 6:15:11 PM

@Cat in the Hat- Can't help but think Cat in the Hat would find interest in Hat Kid and the Toppat Clan, since both are quite defined by wearing hats just like himself lol And at least I can see Cat in the Hat being friends with Hat Kid, since she's a playful little girl (also Chaotic Neutral like him). As for the Toppat Clan, being a powerful crime group, Cat in the Hat would at the very least be opposed to them.

EDIT- Page topper again >.<

Edited by KaoticKanine on Dec 17th 2022 at 9:15:32 AM

Gehayadren Bad Movie Binge Collector from A Garbage Fire Since: Jun, 2016 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#194452: Dec 17th 2022 at 6:38:50 PM

All the Xenoblade profiles need to be redone. All the profiles were done before the remake (and Zamasu saga in DBS) and I know 100% that a good chunk of the first game's cast would be enemies with Zamasu. Hell, we're at the point where there's characters of each alignment gunning for him.

Cat in the Hat: Speedwagon and Liu Kang have hats akin to Oddjob's hat in Goldfinger. Their hats are one of their signature points. Saxton Hale and Mann Co. are known for hats (the former sells them and the latter wears them). Explicitly mention the Soldier, since he has a hat called Dr's Dapper Topper, an explicit reference to the Cat in the Hat's hat.

[down]Primeape and Bisharp will evolve though.

Edited by Gehayadren on Dec 17th 2022 at 10:05:39 AM

Ha ha ha. What a story, Mark.
RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from Australia Since: Feb, 2015
#194453: Dec 17th 2022 at 7:02:04 PM

@ nightelf: Not necessarily a purge, just that a lot could do with a rework/update. A few possibly could get a trope change or a merger if other Pokemon strongly fit the same trope

[up]Yeah I know

Edited by RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 on Dec 18th 2022 at 4:32:25 AM

Cutegirl920fire CG for short from NYC apparently (Rule of Three) Relationship Status: Paris holds the key to my heart
CG for short
#194454: Dec 17th 2022 at 8:15:02 PM

Alrighty, folks Imma try reworking Julius Caesar. His profile was some of the historical profiles people had suggested for me to rework when I first joined the server, so I figured I'll start with him.

The main issues seen to be the shortness, indextation problems, barely any Fate Series-related interactions despite appearing in said series and that some of the short stuff relies on one-note things that could either be merged or removed. I'll be making a separate sandbox for my Pantheon projects btw.

Victor of HGS S320 | "There's rosemary, that's for remembrance. Pray you, love, remember."
Excessive-Menace uwu from the Velvet Cage (Not-So-Newbie) Relationship Status: Dancing with myself
uwu
#194455: Dec 17th 2022 at 8:19:28 PM

[up] Before you start reworking him, you should repropose him for Blood on the Debate Floor so you can get approval, just like for any new profiles as well as to see if he still fits the trope or not.

THE GOLDEN AGE WILL RETURN AGAIN!
Cutegirl920fire CG for short from NYC apparently (Rule of Three) Relationship Status: Paris holds the key to my heart
CG for short
#194456: Dec 17th 2022 at 8:26:09 PM

[up] I confess to not reading on Julius Caesar in a while and I legitimately didn't know that was a requirement, so apologies if this sounds like I'm pulling this out of my ass.

So, reading the trope page, Blood on the Debate Floor seems to be about brawls or any other physical violence breaking out during debates in legislatures. Julius Caesar was assassinated by Roman senators who played in a role in influencing Rome's policy and government during a meeting of the Senate, which seems to fit the "physical violence breaking out at debates" part and the trope description even mentions the assassination. The last paragraph of the trope description brings up that civil wars could occur with these kinds of fights, which did indeed happen after the assassination.

I think that sounds fair enough for him to keep representing that trope.

Edited by Cutegirl920fire on Dec 17th 2022 at 8:29:09 AM

Victor of HGS S320 | "There's rosemary, that's for remembrance. Pray you, love, remember."
Necromancer10 Buddy from Crakcarz, the Continent of Wacky Necromancers Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
CardboardBot from Saudi Arabia (Life not ruined yet) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#194458: Dec 17th 2022 at 9:38:17 PM

Yeah, Arvis or whatever his name isn't aint around I think. If so, as you said, his profile is/was not really developed. So whether he exists or not, he'll be replaced.

Resuggesting.

Suggestion:

The Prophet, The Omniscient

Reasoning: The Prophet has foresaw literally everything that will happen, up until the end, all by simply predicting it. Thus, he knows literally everything. He knows what he will do, he knows what others will do, he knows what everyone thinks. He knows everything. Every death. Every accident. Every tragedy. Every miracle. You get the idea. It's best explained by this short text describing him.

"Enslaved by fate, he foresees, and makes it true. With dull eyes, he looks forward to the end of the line, after which the rest is blank."

He has made up everything that will happen, and as a result, knows everything that will happen.

Edited by CardboardBot on Dec 17th 2022 at 8:59:23 PM

CrimsonShark The Black Blade from The Internet of Loneliness and Beyond Since: Nov, 2018 Relationship Status: One Is The Loneliest Number
#194459: Dec 18th 2022 at 8:13:37 PM

Nearly a day of inactivity, huh? Let's shove that aside for now...

For Christmas, here are my beta drafts for the John McClaine rework and Hans Gruber. Okay, I see Die Hard as a Christmas film, so deal with it.

For suggestions regarding McClaine, any despondent cops who struggle with their personal lives, anyone who has trouble with drugs and alcohol (bonus if they're also cops), those who become an unexpected problem for villain plans ala his trope, and heroes who have a tendency to be the Right Man in the Wrong Place. Enemies would probably be terrorists like the ones he tends to face as well as corrupt government officials, as he's dealt with in the fourth film.

For Gruber, I guess like-minded terrorists and robbers would be the best, though I would also like some suggestions regarding suave, sophisticated villains and pretentious figures who could provide an interesting interaction. Should note that he was part of a right-winged party, but I dunno how that could work. For enemies, I guess cops and rich business owners would do.

Of course, any additional thoughts and ideas are appreciated.


Prototype Mode

"Yippee-ki-yay, Motherfucker"

Detective Lieutenant John McClane, God of Monkey Wrenches (Roy, Cowboy, The Right Man at The Wrong Place at The Wrong Time)

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  • Demigod
  • Theme Song: Die Hard by Guyz Nite
  • Symbol: A Shot up White Tank Top
  • Alignment: Chaotic Good
  • Portfolio: Anti-Hero, Alcoholics, Chronic Hero Syndrome, Defective Detective, Being Trapped in a Place Full of Criminals, Knight in Sour Armor, MacGyvering, Made of Iron, Right Man in the Wrong Place, Wrecking Elaborate Plans, Heartbroken Badass, Destructive Saviour, Indy Ploy, Not Above Hitting Women
  • Domains: Heroism Detectives, Police, Infiltration, Angst
  • Herald: Holly (his wife), Lucy (his daughter), John Jr. (his son)
  • Allies: Dirty Harry, Jack Bauer, Indiana Jones, President James Marshall, Kiritsugu Emiya, Max Payne, John Hartigan, Leeloo, Samuel L. Jackson, Ethan Hunt, Ramona Flowers, Huntress
  • Enemies: Hans Gruber, Joe Simmons
  • John McClaine was a detective from the New York Police Department who had fallen into hard times; he was an alcoholic and chain smoker with a messy relationship with his estranged wife, Holly, and generally had a bleak worldview that he got through with sarcasm. Little did he know that he would be in the fight of his life when he decided to meet with Holly during a Christmas Eve party held at the Nakatomi Plaza in Los Angeles when the building was suddenly stormed by a group of terrorists led by Hans Gruber in a well-crafted and devious ploy to retrieve a large sum of money for himself and his gang as well as destroy the place once the deed is done. McClaine, however, ended up being an unexpected clog in Gruber's plans, with the cop using his wits and unpredictability to thwart his adversary's plans, culminating with McClaine saving as many lives as he could in the Nakatomi Plaza and proving himself a hero to the Los Angeles populace, with the added bonus of getting to mend his relationship with Holly. Of course, this was just the start of many of McClaine's intense adventures as he would also get involved with stopping a Russian terrorist group in an airport, facing off against Hans's brother, Simon, in New York City, saving his daughter Lucy from terrorist Thomas Gabriel, and having to save his son Jon Jr. in Russia whilst having to fend off against corrupt Russian officials.
  • McClaine's stories and exploits were memorable, mainly for how he finds himself in a sticky and dangerous situation at the most inconvenient times, and he ends up thwarting some baddies' schemes, also at the most inconvenient times. He was content with either allowing himself to rest as well as spend some quality time with his children, though yet another unexpected event happened when McClaine was given what he said was a revelation that said something about a "pantheon" and "deities from all sorts of worlds". Of course, the last thing he expected was to be a part of the said pantheon to represent what he's most known for; messing up criminal plans and goals, once again, at the most inconvenient times. He chuckled with a hint of humor and weariness, now a representative of something that he didn't really have plans for. Still, he's a hero for it and that counts, for what it's worth. Hopefully, the Pantheon can provide him with normal and straightforward cases to tackle. That, and probably give him a nice retirement at some point while he's at it.
  • If there's one thing that's best known about McClaine, it's his sardonic sense of humor. It's practically his best friend for what it's worth as McClaine is prone to making quips, remarks, and insults to keep himself motivated and mentally focused on his tasks. He's a good man and nearly everyone in the Trope Pantheon Police Department would agree to such, but it's not hard to ignore his use of drugs and his struggle with alcoholism, which surfaced full-time when McClaine was separated from Holly and it would seem that despite his esteemed reputation, he's not emotionally stable. Fortunately, his drug and alcohol problems don't get in the way of him dealing with crime, most of the time at least and he does make an effort to be as good of a father as he could.


Hans Gruber, God of Counting to Three (Jack Grubernote , Bubba, Bill Clay)

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  • Demigod
  • Symbol: The Nakatomi Plaza with an explosion mark near the top
  • Theme Song: Gruber's Arrival
  • Alignment: Neutral Evil
  • Portfolio: Suave, Cultured and Intelligent Villains with a Suit to Match (Though Not as Intelligent as he Claims Himself to Be), Beard of Evil, Man of Wealth and Taste Subverting any Positive Attirbutes, The Sociopath, Speaks Calmly and with Restrained Grandeur, Faux Affably Evil, Taking No Chances Against Possible Threats, Master Actor, Evil Has a Bad Sense of Humor, Inhumanly Malevolent Villains, Death by Falling, Is Thoroughly Dedicated to Accomplishing his Goals, Narratively Impressive and Capable Foes, Generally Seen as a Fantastic Movie Vilain
  • Domains: Terrorism, Villainy, Planning, Fear, Condescension
  • Allies:
  • Enemies: John McClaine
  • Hans Gruber was once a member of a radical West German party, but due to unknown reasons, he was excommunicated, followed by Gruber deciding to become a terrorist and gather a bunch of like-minded lawbreakers to enact on a grand plan. They set in motion a scheme to invade the Nakatomi Plaza in Los Angeles, California, setting up traps, enforcements, and surveillance, with the goal of stealing $640 million in negotiable bearer bonds, as well as being fully content in destroying the building to keep everyone silent and ensure his own anonymity. Gruber's plan turned out to be a successful one, keeping his hostages intimidated, killing the plaza's head executive, Joseph Yoshinobu Takagi, when he refused to comply with Gruber's demands, and keeping the building heavily fortified. Unfortunately, Gruber did not expect a sudden visitor in the form of an NYPD cop named John McClaine who stealthily and unexpectedly managed to work around on and dismantle Gruber's plans, causing him to become desperate in his plans. Ultimately, while Gruber did come very close to victory and messing with McClaine himself personally, he was outsmarted in their last confrontation, resulting in Gruber falling to his death in a failed and desperate attempt to kill McClaine and his wife Holly.
  • Despite his unceremonious end, Gruber would mark his reputation as McClaine's most credible and famous foe and a villain who has proven to be as suave and meticulous as he is dangerous. It is for these reasons that he was able to earn a place in the Pantheon, much to his own surprise. Gruber initially felt dismayed at the failure of his plans before collecting his thoughts and choosing to venture into a whole new land, guessing that it would be good to familiarize himself with the Pantheon. This doesn't mean he's changed in any way, as he's made it very clear he intends to continue his career as what he calls a "sophisticated terrorist". Learning about Houses, Halls, and Domains, Gruber decided to visit the House of Crime and Transgressions where he would adapt quickly to a city that accepted criminals like him and steadily develop a new terrorist group as well as rebuild his reputation into one of aspiration for like-minded people like him as well as a terror for those who would dare to oppose or annoy him. Overall, the Pantheon has been a surprisingly pleasant experience for Gruber.
  • Despite his extreme malevolence, Gruber is an intelligent and deceptive man who is just as capable of acting civil and friendly as much as he revels in committing violence and threats to make his points. He is arrogant, but also savvy and lucid enough to reign that in and keep himself committed to his goals, as impersonal and unambitious as they are, and he claims to be a fan of classic westerns, sometimes making references and quotes if he stumbles across a fan. Still, there is an air of pretentiousness with him, though Gruber isn't too antsy about that. For the same reasons that McClaine saw him as a ruthless man who had to be stopped at all costs, some saw him as the ideal robber and terrorist, a model that they could take lessons from and prove themselves capable and reputable criminals. Gruber was impressed; though he may have lost and his mortal coil taken, he posthumously accomplished what most terrorists couldn't achieve; a sense of influence and inspiration, and while he personally can't bring himself to care for them, he does value this as a tool of authority and is more than willing to use it to gain new followers and lackeys for any upcoming plans.

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RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from Australia Since: Feb, 2015
#194460: Dec 18th 2022 at 8:31:28 PM

Again, I'm not saying remove any of them but there's a fair number of Pokémon that could do with a rework. I want to know if anyone is interested in reworking after the current hype has died down.

Excessive-Menace uwu from the Velvet Cage (Not-So-Newbie) Relationship Status: Dancing with myself
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#194461: Dec 18th 2022 at 8:44:21 PM

[up][up]

For Hans, Hannibal Lecter and Patrick Bateman are the first to come to mind for sophisticated and pretentious villains respectively.

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WhirlRX Since: Jan, 2015
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RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from Australia Since: Feb, 2015
#194464: Dec 19th 2022 at 12:20:41 AM

Did we ever settle on the idea for Monkey King Lite and if so, who had dibs?

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#194465: Dec 19th 2022 at 5:52:28 AM

Just need to vent these nominations/adoptions from my system.

  • The Chosen One of Arroyo, Deity of Overly Generous Time Limits
    • Reasoning: Mostly thanks to technical limitations, Fallout 2 has a hard-coded limit of 13 in-game years before the game suddenly throws a "The End" screen at you and brings you to the main menu. Completing the game's quests and generally doing everything there is to do in the game usually takes about 4 in-game years at most. I picked this because the time limit is for the entirety of the game whereas most instances are usually on singular missions.
  • Golem, God of Rock Monsters
  • The Moonshine Mob, Gods of the Victory Fakeout
    • Reasoning: Most games that pull off this trope usually just rely on setting up a false sense of security. These guys take it one step further. By establishing the announcer calling "Knockout!" means you've finished a boss battle, the Moonshine Mob takes advantage of it by presenting a thematic "Knockout!" sign after you defeat the anteater. After which the snail under his hat (who is already foreshadowed during the anteater's entry) goes for a few cheap shots, which can easily kill you, after which he mocks you for forgetting about him. As for why the entire mob gets ascended, a fakeout needs a setup and a false finale, which is what the other henchmen serve as.
  • Leonard, God of Failure Heroes or Idiot Heroes (Wizel, the White Knight)
    • Reasoning: Hoo boy. Where to even begin? Let's just say his list of failures as a result of his idiocy is so damn long that there are paragraphs to them. Worse, you're subject to every single one of these failures from beginning to end. First game events  Second game events 

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CrimsonShark The Black Blade from The Internet of Loneliness and Beyond Since: Nov, 2018 Relationship Status: One Is The Loneliest Number
#194466: Dec 19th 2022 at 9:04:21 PM

[up][up] Out of curiosity, is this because you have an idea of your own regarding Monkey King Lite, namely Infernape, Gokuwmon, and Hanumon, given you have them linked in your Adoptables Sandbox? Still, I feel you're leaning more toward the former given your affinity to Pokemon, and asking a question about it prior hand.


[up] You have a fourth suggestion posted for Golem, but I guess that was by accident. Your reasoning seems solid, but I honestly would prefer you to finish up what you already have before making another batch of suggestions. But I guess that's just me.

Still awaiting further responses regarding my drafts for McClaine and Gruber as seen above.

Edited by CrimsonShark on Dec 19th 2022 at 5:12:00 PM

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RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from Australia Since: Feb, 2015
#194467: Dec 19th 2022 at 9:37:57 PM

[up]I just want to see if anyone wants to do their own take on the trope first, before I can think of proposing it. But you are right that because I think it fits+I am familiar with the franchise is why I am considering Infernape

ShonenTrash98 Since: Jun, 2020
#194468: Dec 20th 2022 at 9:16:17 AM

@CrimsonShark Agent Smith would be an interesting interaction with Gruber. Detective Peralta is a huge Die Hard fan and would love to meet Gruber.

Edited by ShonenTrash98 on Dec 20th 2022 at 10:19:04 AM

m-95 Har har har from my place of residence Since: Jun, 2021 Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
Har har har
#194469: Dec 20th 2022 at 12:58:54 PM

Hi. I wanna propose a rework.


  • WHY?: "Wait, m-95," I hear you ask, "Didn't you write the Lucrezia profile yourself?" Why yes, dear internet stranger, yes I did.
    Buuuuut I made a teeny-tiny slip-up. You see, I gave Lucrezia the trope "Grand Theft Me" without reading the fine print of the trope's description. The trope doesn't just involve taking over a body, but also forcing the original person out. In Girl Genius, Lucrezia tried to force Agatha out of her own body . . . and failed; Agatha was Fighting from the Inside (not part of Lu's plan!) and managed to lock Lucrezia down in her mind for much of the comic. Plus, Lucrezia is only on-screen shown doing this with Agatha; her other body is (without spoiling too much) a robot she had repurposed. Shame on me.

    Fortunately there's a simple fix. Lucrezia easily qualifies for the trope "Showing Off the New Body" which is currently untaken from what I can tell. Not only is she in the current page image, but nearly the first thing (minus talking with the people who brought her back) Lucrezia does after entering Agatha's body is run to the mirror to admire "her" appearance. It's part of her introduction scene. It's also interesting to note that the novel is a bit more explicit than the comic with that scene.
    The nice thing about using this trope instead is 1) Lucrezia's profile isn't too dependent on representing Grand Theft Me specifically (I should know, I wrote it), and 2) she can easily stay in the Hall of Bodily Form as Showing Off the New Body fits perfectly well there as well. It would barely change anything about the profile itself.

    Yes, this so-called "rework" is just a title change and barely anything else. Sue me.

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CrimsonShark The Black Blade from The Internet of Loneliness and Beyond Since: Nov, 2018 Relationship Status: One Is The Loneliest Number
#194470: Dec 20th 2022 at 1:14:58 PM

[up] Well, it's just a trope change, so nothing drastic to be done here. [tup] for the change BTW.

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m-95 Har har har from my place of residence Since: Jun, 2021 Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
Har har har
#194471: Dec 20th 2022 at 1:24:08 PM

[up] Thx. I assume I can just edit it now & leave it instead of copy-pasting the whole entry as a draft post here, right?

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CrimsonShark The Black Blade from The Internet of Loneliness and Beyond Since: Nov, 2018 Relationship Status: One Is The Loneliest Number
#194472: Dec 20th 2022 at 1:38:17 PM

[up] You'll also need to make another post/update your former post to tell others that you've changed the description, but yeah, you don't have to post the entire profile.

P.S. — I could have edited my past post for this, but I decided to make a new one because I want this page to be done ASAP and move on to the next one.

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m-95 Har har har from my place of residence Since: Jun, 2021 Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
Har har har
#194473: Dec 20th 2022 at 1:45:52 PM

You'll also need to make another post/update your former post to tell others that you've changed the description, but yeah, you don't have to post the entire profile.

I know you want to hurry up, but I don't know what you meant by this. Do I need to edit my post from time I first proposed Lucrezia? Do I need to edit my post from today? Huh? I'm confused.

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CrimsonShark The Black Blade from The Internet of Loneliness and Beyond Since: Nov, 2018 Relationship Status: One Is The Loneliest Number
#194474: Dec 20th 2022 at 1:53:30 PM

[up] What I mean is that if you've gotten an approval and there's no one to oppose it, it's best that you'll have to announce your changes in the forums. It could be done in two ways: making a new post, or updating the post where you made the said suggestion to add said announcement.

I would normally go for the latter, but in the event that it gets overtaken by a large post, series of smaller posts, or was a part of a previous page, then I recommend making a new post about the announcement.

Hope this explains things clearly.

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m-95 Har har har from my place of residence Since: Jun, 2021 Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
Har har har
#194475: Dec 20th 2022 at 1:55:13 PM

What I mean is that if you've gotten an approval and there's no one to oppose it,

[up] And you've given your approval, yes? Or do I need someone else's?

Edited by m-95 on Dec 20th 2022 at 5:02:32 AM

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