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- Eh, in the Captain America movie Howard analyzed a piece of the cosmic cube that blew up. It's entirely possible that the element was based off the cosmic cube, and Howard worked enough to know how it was made, but couldn't with his technology. Which could mean that Tony now has a piece of knock-off cosmic cube or related material powering his armor!
- The Avengers did mention that S.H.E.I.L.D. was using the Tesseract/Cosmic Cube to try and create better weapons, as well as reverse engineering The Destroyer to create even more powerful weapons. The Tesseract was Asgardian, and is considered to be alien.
- Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. pretty much confirmed that they have some alien technology, such as GH.325.
- Steve nonchalantly picks it up to hand it to Thor (or just to casually inspect it, not knowing what it is), astonishing the god of thunder. Double hilarity points if there has already been a scene establishing that Tony can't pick it up, and he then tries (and fails) to again after seeing Steve offhandedly do so.
- The Avengers are on the ropes. Loki's forces are advancing, buildings are being destroyed, civilians are screaming and running for their lives. Thor is downed and Mjölnir is knocked out of his hand. Cap steps up to the plate, grabs the mighty hammer, and delivers blow after powerful blow to their enemies without a second thought.
- All Jossed unfortunately. But Hulk did try and pick it up during his fight with Thor. He wasn't worthy.
- Alternately, Cap will die through some honorable means, and his shield will be imbued with the same magic as Mjölnir. Since Vance Astro is bound to appear in Guardians of the Galaxy (2014), he will be the next person to be worthy to wile it.
- Apparently in the sequel Thor will challenge the other Avengers to try and pick it up, and Cap succeeds in moving it, though not lifting it entirely.
- Cap may still lift Mjolnir in a future - as a sign of character development. Or probably in real combat situation, just not for lulz.
- He lifts it in Endgame.
- Wendell Vaughn is already confirmed as a SHIELD agent. Quasar, anyone?
- Would be pretty cool to see that there are already established supers other than Hawkeye and Black Widow as Avengers members, but it seems unlikely to me that it would happen that way, as I doubt Fury and Romanov wouldn't have called in backup when the Hammeroids went on their rampage.
- Sadly, Jossed. While we do see the Chitauri and Thanos, we do not see new heroes. Ant-Man is confirmed to have a movie in production, and has been stated by producer Kevin Feige to have been the "friend with experience with SHIELD" that Selvig spoke of in Thor, though.
- Beast will join the team, but only for a short while before returning to Xavier's school.
- Sadly, this one is Screwed by the Lawyers. Marvel does not currently own the film rights to the X-Men.
- They do, however, have the rights to the Avengers, and Beast has been both. The fact that Quicksilver is confirmed for both the next X-Men movie and the next Avengers movie, the possibility that Beast might show up later still exists. Apparently there is a loophole in the rights that allows this sort of thing, just so long as the MCU doesn't use the M-word.
- Sadly, this one is Screwed by the Lawyers. Marvel does not currently own the film rights to the X-Men.
- Even better. Picture this. Bruce goes to a city as the hulk apparently able to control it. Of course, the Hulk Cooldown Hug corollary takes effect somehow and he rampages. Tony Stark Steps in and manages to hold the hulk off. Meanwhile, at shield headquarters cap has just been unfrozen. He sees a news report and is concerned. Fury tells him that they are working on something and that they need a few more minutes. Cap asks if the guy in the suit can last that long. Cut back to the fight. Iron <an starts losing, and just as he's about to be finished, a shield flies in and hits him on the head. Captain America has arrived. They fight and...continue to get their asses kicked. Suddenly, Nick and Black widow drive up. nick throws a device at The hulks feet. Stark asks what it is. Fury says "A signal". Then a beam of light hits the ground. It's the mighty Thor. Thor fights hulk and beats him into submission. He reverts to Banner. Later, banner is in a holding cell and the team if fighting the main villains. They're losing. Banner says to Coulson that they need to let him out, that the hulk can help. Coulson says he can't take the risk. Banner gets angry, but calms himself down and closes his eyes. Then opens them with green irises and says "you don't have a choice"
- Or: The Avengers pick up just where The Incredible Hulk left, in the cottage where Banner turns into the Hulk voluntarily. SHIELD picks up this in some way or another, and send in Iron Man. At some point, Thor arrives, and takes out the hulk. Then, all three return to the Helicarrier. This is even supported by the Avengers teaser: Stark telling Thor that the latter has a "nice swing", followed by a flashback of Thor throwing his hammer at something in a forest.
- Confirmed, but Hulk is fought from a combination of stress from a sudden attack and influence from Loki. He's fought only by Thor and briefly an fighter jet, while Black Widow just runs like heck from him.
- Jossed. Corvus Glaive is a different character that appears in Infinity War.
- But Coulson clearly said she moved to Portland, Oregon.
- Orchestras tour though!
- Jossed. Different versions of those characters appear in later works.
- Jossed. They're the World Security Council.
- Apparently, going by some interviews with the cast, it seems that Tony won't be filling this role (and then again, if the "Genius Billionaire Philantrophist" scene is any indication, we'll have a more "complex" relationship with Steve/Tony), and that Agent Phil Coulson will be revealed to be a huge Captain America nerd.
- Sorta Jossed. At first he doesn't seem to take him seriously, even remarking how unconvinced he is after his father constantly talked about him. By the end though, he at least seems to respect Cap.
- The movie storybook seems to support the idea of a Brainwashed and Crazy Hawkeye, mentioning that he falls under the control of Loki at one point.
- Half Jossed, half confirmed. He's Brainwashed and Crazy at the beginning, but by the latter half is freed from his control.
- Jossed. Loki is the villain. His closest ally is the Other, the leader of the Chitauri, who is taking orders from who's revealed in the post-credits scene to be Thanos.
- Hence why Tony says that while the team might not be able to save the world, they'll be sure to avenge it.
- Jossed. They win in the end, and even though Nick Fury's higher-ups question how dangerous a team like the Avengers will be, it is not fully explored in the end.
- Except, the novelization of Iron Man 2 states that the element Tony discovered was vibranium. The vibranium itself may have been created with, or contain, [a fraction of] the power (or similar power) of the Cosmic Cube. Also, the Cosmic Cube is an object, while vibranium is an element.
- The idea of Tony discovering vibranium is further supported in The Avengers when both Tony's internal reactor and Cap's shield are shown to be capable of resisting Asgardian energy.
- Maybe it was Vibranium and he just pumped it full of arc reactor energy or something like that. Isn't vibranium supposed to be able to absorb ungodly amounts of energy?
- Well, godly energy too but I get your point.
- A/The Arc Reactor may still be responsible for bringing Thor back to Earth. Though destroyed at the end of Iron Man, it could have been rebuilt...and, re-destroyed? How else, other than by being destroyed, could the Arc Reactor create a portal between Midgard (Earth) and Asgard?
- Though not confirmed to appear in the first movie, Jane Foster could still have completed her research - which would probably lead to finding or creating new paths between Asgard and Earth.
- Maybe she's kidnapped in the first movie - and that would be something driving Thor. Maybe she will be rescued at the end of the first (in a cameo), or in the second (be part of the cast).
- As happens in the comics, Asgard (with Thor) could appear in the sky, floating above some place on Earth. That could be a reason people (especially those not discharging weapons) were looking at the sky, in the trailer.
- Jossed. Thor arrives through a different way. Not entirely sure though as the dialogue wasn't made clear.
- Loki quickly said that Odin must have conjured enough power or magic to bring Thor to earth.
- Specifically, he said that Odin must have scrounged hard to find enough "dark energy" to send Thor to Earth.
- Which makes sense, because the Bifrost is essentially a wormhole system connecting the nine world. So, wormholes being composed mostly of negative energy, right, and science and magic being synonymous in Asgard, it seems that Aesir tech/magic is capable of scrounging enough space-bending positrons or some other phlebotinum to make a mini-wormhole sans Bifrost.
- To add further credence to this theory: in the first full trailer, around the 0:56 mark
, there is a jet shown, which looked quite like the jet the Red Skull built in Captain America: The First Avenger.
- I'm pretty sure that's the Quinn jet.
- Jossed, kind of. Skull is out, as are the other villains people went with - the Skrulls, but another alien race is hinted at. Leading to...
- Jossed. Loki is the only returning villain.
- The Assemble trailer gives a few brief shots of the aliens and they do indeed look very much like frost giants. That would make sense seeing as how the portal that Loki fell into at the end of Thor was connected to Jotunheim. Where they got lasers and space planes however remains a mystery. It's also possible that the army he is referring to is the Kree. Or Red Skull really did survive and now makes a living selling Hydra stuff to the frost giants. (This ties in nicely to my "Red Skull wound up on Jotunheim" Theory actually.)
- One of the aliens faces is shown in the "Head Count" Tv spot and they are definitely not frost giants. I'm also doubting they are the Kree at this point. Someone in the comments of an earlier trailer made the claim that they were dark elves but thats a youtube comment so it should probably be taken with a very large grain of salt.
- Zombies? They looked like that to me.
- Jossed. The alien army, according to Word of God are the "Chitauri" from the Ultimate Marvel universe. (Yes, even if they're In Name Only...)
- One of the aliens faces is shown in the "Head Count" Tv spot and they are definitely not frost giants. I'm also doubting they are the Kree at this point. Someone in the comments of an earlier trailer made the claim that they were dark elves but thats a youtube comment so it should probably be taken with a very large grain of salt.
- Jossed Fury does mention Howard to Steve, and Tony discusses Howard to Banner after not being impressed by Steve, but Steve and Tony don't talk about it amongst themselves.
- All the other characters already have love interests, so that seems very likely.
- Except, Cap missed his date with his love interest When he went to sleep, about seventy years ago. Of course, there is also Maria Hill. Or, maybe, Cap chooses to remain... Single.
- Cap has Sharon Carter, who appeared at the end of his movie, though she may hold off appearing in order to show up in the Captain America sequel. Anyways, this WMG is pretty much confirmed by Word of God, sort of. According to the actors, Hawkeye and Widow had a prior relationship that Hawkeye "clings to."
- Beautifully Jossed by Scarlett Johannson herself — "There's no time for romance, we have shit to Avenge."
- While this is true, there being no full-blown romantic drama going on between them, there was major implication that their history and relationship goes a bit deeper than the average friendship...
- Fully Jossed as Age of Ultron reveals that Hawkeye is married with children.
- While this is true, there being no full-blown romantic drama going on between them, there was major implication that their history and relationship goes a bit deeper than the average friendship...
- Lady Gaga as Wasp? No. God, no.
- I think they would use Nicki Minaj as Wasp.
- You disgust me.
- How about Lucy Liu for wasp?
- I SECOND THIS. I SECOND THIS FOREVEEER.
- Jossed
- Is it? Did you look really hard? She’s hard to spot sometimes.
- Definitely jossed by Ant-Man. The first Wasp (Janet) couldn't appear in either this film or Age of Ultron due to being trapped in the Quantum Realm, and the second one (Hope) wasn't even active at the time The Avengers came out.
- Is it? Did you look really hard? She’s hard to spot sometimes.
- Wouldn't work. Marvel Studios doesn't have the rights to Spider-Man or X-Men, which kinda puts a wrench into the works.
- X-Men: First Class may or may not be in continuity with these films (they sure as hell aren't in continuity with the other X-men films), but it's not outright stated. It's possible that future Spider-Man and X-Men films will make reference to the Avengers or the the events of this film without the characters actually showing up, at least not until Marvel can get the rights to them back.
- Jossed
- Further jossed based on commentary from The Incredible Hulk. They had asked Sony if they could use Empire State University, but Sony declined. They also asked if they could have Spider-Man swing by in the background of a scene or just have Tobey Maguire standing in a crowd scene. Both were declined, so the likelihood of Sony connecting Amazing Spider-Man with a rival company is improbable.
- Well since Marvel were willing to put the Oscorp Tower from The Amazing Spider Man' into the MCU New York skyline alongside Stark Tower, it's possible that something further down the line could be arranged...
- The deal was too late for it to be incorporated, and ultimately Marvel did their own take on everyone's favorite webslinger.
- My money's on Coulson.
- I'm skeptical. In interviews, Marvel Studios has mentioned potential interest in a spinoff TV show starring him. He's the "logical" candidate, from a Whedon writing philosophy perspective, but I'm dubious of Marvel actually approving such.
- Jossed on Coulson, his actor confirmed he would make it out of this one. On the other hand, Hawkeye seems to have a patent on getting killed...
- I don't think even Whedon would be heartless enough to kill a major superhero in his very first film. Even if he is, I feel that Marvel wouldn't be cool with it.
- Some leaked set-pictures and -videos seemed to show Cap looking hurt, while fighting alongside Thor, possibly in a scene seen in the trailer. Well, it was a video taken of them shooting a scene, so there were no effects (as in blood and stuff). [Here
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- I'm going to bet and say that it's going to be Loki in a case of Redemption Equals Death.
- I doubt it. It may seem that way, but as comic!Loki said, "After all, the first thing a sorcerer of quality learns is to make himself as difficult to kill as possible."
- Confirmed Coulson, in an attempt to stall Loki from flinging Thor out of the Hellicarier, is stabbed to death by Loki. Everyone is saddened by the loss, even Tony, who at first berates Coulson for being an idiot, but later shows that he too was sorry.
- Actually, Jossed. Word of God is he lives.
- Yeah, well, that wouldn't be the first time Joss Whedon has lied.
- Maybe it was Nick Fury that lied. He did lie about the cards being in Coulson's pocket, why not lie about Coulson's death too? We don't actually see the Medics declare his death; we only hear about it from Fury. We also never see a scene portraying his funeral.
- According to Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., Coulson did die. What he's doing still kicking in the series itself is actually a plot point.
- What about The Hulk? When his pulse rises, no one is likely to like him. Of course, he could be the designated driver.
- Technically, that should be Cap, but maybe he still gets a high blood-alcohol level despite never getting drunk.
- They definitely should! And maybe do something stupid, too?
- "Whoa, whoa Hulk— whiskey's probably not the best thing for you. You know, I bet that temper of yours would qualify for medical marijuana..."
- I am trying to imagine Bruce and Steve as the straight men to the entire rest of the team.
- Jossed. There is an after-party of sorts in The Stinger, but it's the Avengers sitting in a partially ruined cafe eating shawarma. It's hilariously awkward.
- Steve's just woken up after being good friends with Howard Stark who's slightly off, but still a good and loyal friend, only to find that his son is just similar enough to evoke painful memories while being this insensitive arrogant brat. Naturally it will take a while for Steve to warm up to Tony and see him as more than a flawed version of his old friend!
- Jossed. Steve has other issues at first for working with Tony. Howard isn't even brought up in their arguments.
- Actually, it's entirely possible that this was true, if internalized. Steve really doesn't like Tony at first, and Tony has a bit of a sibling rivalry complex with Steve—his dad had such respect and affection for this man, yet didn't show any towards Tony.
- The events of the first movie will cause the Avengers to quit in order to work as an autonomous group.
- Alternately, S.H.I.E.L.D. will consider the Avengers a failure for one reason or another (probably against Fury's wishes) and shut the program down, but Tony and/or Cap will basically say "You can't fire me, I quit!" and reform the group, making it operate out of a Stark-owned mansion in NYC.
- Jossed. The group goes their separate ways without SHIELD knowing their whereabouts, but Fury is confident that the group will come back together again should the dire need arise.
- If this does happen then my money is on Nick Fury.
- This does not bode well
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- Kind of confirmed. Fury doesn’t tell the Avengers that Coulson is being revived to "push" the team.
- Jossed. Loki merely is impressed by Widow's stealth, but Loki does prey on her emotions.
- Jossed. The line is not mentioned at all.
- Then Tony will build an inter-planetary/dimensional communication device, they phone Odin and Loki get's grounded. The rest of the movie is the Avengers hanging out in the break room.
- Which will be then followed by the Avengers having to fight the Hulk, who gets angry after some minor incident (involving Tony?), which then becomes a full blown fight.
- Jossed.
- Possibly Falsworth's, too, for maximum Britishness.
- Jossed. She's apparently gonna play a Obstructive Bureaucrat character that's with the "World Security Council".
- Assuming she's human, she's got to have parents. Two of them.
- Her last name is Hawley.
- Jossed. She's apparently gonna play a Obstructive Bureaucrat character that's with the "World Security Council".
- It'll probably be something pertaining to Tony's father, and might be a bit harsh, but fair.
- Respond he did. He knew men with none of that worth ten of Tony.
- A classic superhero misunderstanding on the part of Cap, who's tasked with dealing with the supposed threat by Nick Fury.
- If Skrulls are indeed involved, the scene possibly involves either Cap or Thor being a Skrull, thus the fight.
- In the comics, Loki is known for his mind manipulation, and the situation in the forest could be our favorite Magnificent Bastard Norse God of Lies doing his usual thing in tricking Cap that Thor's an enemy to be taken down.
- Jossed. Thor frees Loki from Cap and Iron Man's custody, so Iron Man goes to confront Thor and have a huge fight that ends when Cap steps in.
- Just a guess, but we don't know whether Iron Man is part of the Avengers at this point. This may be the point where Tony unofficially states he's one of the Avengers, while staring down Loki!
- Confirmed, but it's a Heartwarming Moment because Tony does an And This Is for... for Coulson before he blasts Loki.
- Mr. Stark and Captain Rogers referring to each other as 'Steve' and 'Tony' for the first time.
- Someone making arrangements for Steve to go to England to be reunited with Peggy.
- That depends if they managed to get Hayley Atwell to reprise her role in a surprise cameo. Or, if need be, they can simply imply that Steve goes to meet Peggy at the end. (With the second option, you can easily do the "full" version of the scene in Captain America 2 for those that want closure.)
- Or Steve goes to England to visit Peggy at the beginning of the movie, having put it off since waking up, only to find that she has died shortly before arrival.
- Not quite heartwarming.
- One of the tie-in books reveal that Peggy is still alive and well, though.
- That depends if they managed to get Hayley Atwell to reprise her role in a surprise cameo. Or, if need be, they can simply imply that Steve goes to meet Peggy at the end. (With the second option, you can easily do the "full" version of the scene in Captain America 2 for those that want closure.)
- Thor helping Cap up, accepting the mortal as an equal and worthy warrior at last.
- We've already seen a snippet of that in the Super Bowl ad, so we're just awaiting full context of that scene.
- Loki's Heel Realization.
- Nope.
- Fin Fang Foom?
- Midgardian Serpent, given that it's Loki heading up the attack...
- The enemy invaders' warship/weapon of mass destruction.
- Confirmed
- Fin Fang Foom is its name and it's also the Midgardian Serpent and its involvement means a Ragnarok plot for Thor 2.
- A lost Decepticon from the Transformers movies.
- Serpenterra! It was even defeated by Iron Man in the same way!
- Pretty sure that was Iron Man's job.
- Iron Man 1 started it, and The Avengers will expand upon it even more.
- Confirmed.
- Iron Man 1 started it, and The Avengers will expand upon it even more.
- After getting "forcibly recruited" by S.H.I.E.L.D., Bruce probably got treated as a cross between a ticking time bomb and a potential experiment, so Tony (for all of his teasing) was probably the first person to treat him like a human being. Hence the reason why the Hulk saves Iron Man's life in the trailer.
- Between the poking and the mocking over turning into a green rage monster, I don't see where treating him like a human being comes from.
- Human beings occasionally tease their friends. Tony's not mocking him in that scene, he's being honest; he thinks the Hulk is cool the same way he thinks muscle cars and explosions are cool.
- Perhaps that ends up being character development for Tony, as he learns to treat Banner with more dignity. Either that, or he's just being playful with him. You know how Tony is...
- Yeah, he's a dick. If anything, Steve seems to treat Banner better, shaking hands with him and rebuking Stark's antics. Could be that Hulk is saving Tony because it's what Cap would want, thereby teaching Tony to get his head out of his ass.
- Steve sticking up for Bruce and saving Iron Man as a favor to Cap is Jossed. While some playful teasing does occur. Hulk and Iron Man are best pals.
- Also, this Joss Whedon quote:
"One of the first things Robert said when we were meeting about the movie was “There’s no way Tony Stark gets in a room with Bruce Banner and doesn’t poke him”. There’s no way. He wants to see it happen, he wants to see how that guy works. And that is not only true, not only ended up in the movie but ultimately informs their entire arc, which is one of my favourite things in the movie. The idea that Tony Stark is not intimidated by the concept of the Hulk and, in fact, thinks that Bruce needs to embrace his inner Hulk as it were, sounds like pure classic Tony irresponsibility and in fact it is you know what save us all because and ultimately what saves Tony because he allows Bruce to…he sets him up and lets him gets to the place where he can decide to be the Hulk."- In The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes, there's one episode where we see Cap telling the Hulk that he is indeed a hero, so maybe we'll have something to that effect in the movie, which leads to that scene Hulk saving Iron Man?
- Between the poking and the mocking over turning into a green rage monster, I don't see where treating him like a human being comes from.
- Confirmed: Tony well respects Bruce for his scientific breakthroughs, and even helps in the development of Banner for accepting that the Hulk is a part of him, much like how he and his Arc Reactor chest piece are one.
- This is made rather odd now that, as of Iron Man 3, Tony has discarded his arc reactor and suits of armor.
Loki could have done this because he didn't trust Thanos and wanted to be able to shut the portal down if something other than an army came out or if the army did not obey his orders, perhaps coming through under another General instead (perhaps the Dark Order).
Alternatively his intention could have been to get stopped by the Avengers all along because he had a change of heart after meeting Thanos and needed an excuse to both get away from thanos and not return any infinity stones to Thanos without looking like he had stabbed Thanos in the back. Getting tossed into Asgardian jail seems like a convincing cover and he might either have predicted the Dark Elves and counted on their attack causing enough chaos to escape or had an alternate plan to get out eventually and fake his death.
- Or alternatively, he could simply not have gotten their in time to help. Starktech armor is fast, but if he is based out in California, it'd take him an hour or two to get to NYC, even if he left the moment the invasion started.
- Jossed - The Iron Man 3 Prelude comic explains his absence with Rhodes investigating the Ten Rings in Asia. He eventually arrived at NY but by then battle was over and the Avengers were enjoying some shawarma.
- Hulk beats him like a rag doll giving him a head injury and possibly knocking him out (?).
- Afterwards the dark circles under his eyes go away, he seems less completely insane, and comes quietly without insulting anyone.
- Except the bags under Lok's eyes are a completely different effect then what happens when somebody is mind-controlled and he doesn't seem any different then he was before for his whopping one line after his beating. Also if he was under mind control why would the Other let him talk back to him? Why would the Other even feel the need to threaten him at all? A more likely reason for him going quietly is that he's facing down the entire Avengers team while he's injured, stripped of his weapon and has no way to escape and now that his plan has failed he knows Thanos will be coming after him. It's probably safer to be imprisoned in Asgard then alone on the run.
- Not necessarily... I personally think that it wasn't really mind control that he was under. Remember when the Avengers were all arguing and it was implied that the staff had some hand in their argument? It's my suspicion that just being around it can perhaps intensify negative emotions. If that is so, then think of what it would have done to Loki. He has some major negative emotions going on towards just about everything and carrying that staff with the stone in it around all the time would probably have a huge effect on him. It would explain the rather out of character-ness he had in the movie.
- How in the world was he out of character? He's less sympathetic but I didn't see anything out of character. And Loki is much more in control of himself in Avengers then he was at the end of Thor when his emotions were out of control which contradicts your theory.
- The thing to remember about Loki and why he's a little more vicious in Avengers than in Thor is because 1. The Other makes it very clear good things are not in his future if he fails and 2. In Thor, he's on Asgard, with people he considers equals, and in Avengers he's on Earth, with people he views as far, far beneath him. In his own words, "An ant has no quarrel with a boot." Plus, sympathetic or no, he tried to kill a whole planet in Thor. So, yeah... everything in Avengers made sense for Loki's character.
- Subsequent Word of God indicates that the Scepter was subtly influencing him.
- Barney, Marshall and Lily appear in the epilogue, in a blink and you'll miss it scene, on one of the news broadcasts. This is the only justification for this idea. This leads to...
- Ted helped design Stark Tower, and Barney helps Tony design his suits. And that's How I Met Your Mother.Hey kids, did I ever tell you about the time your mom and I thwarted one of Doctor Doom's plans for world domination?
- Jossed.
- Confirmed.
- And/or because Loki was at the end of his rope: injured, tired, disarmed, and psychologically stressed by his plan starting to unravel. He probably didn't have the energy left to do much other than monologue.
- Wait, SHIELD (first appearance: 1965) and the Helicarrier (again, 1965) both predate UNIT, so wouldn't it be the other way around?
- And in setting, SHIELD's predecessor, the SSR, dates back to 1941. . .
- Here's some food for thought: in the original comics, SHEILD maintained a special training facility called the Underground Network Training (it's in Strange Tales 159, if you must know). Eh? Eh?
- Except we see the Infinity Gauntlet with all the gems inside Odin's treasure room in Thor. Plus Loki's staff is stated to be powered by the Tesseract.
- Were those the true gems? Maybe like some artifacts placed in a museum, the Asgardians just put fake gems in the gauntlet for display purposes. And about the staff, it is speculated to use the same type of energy used by the Tesseract, not necessarily powered by the Tesseract itself. Captain America says it's like one of Hydra's energy weapons more than anything.
- Confirmed, the gauntlet and the stones in Asgard are only replicas.
- Except they weren't in a display, they were in a weapons vault guarded by the Destroyer and the other artifacts in there are real. And Selvig says the control rod is powered by the Tesseract to the Black Widow. And Hydra's weapons were powered by the Tesseract.
- Were those the true gems? Maybe like some artifacts placed in a museum, the Asgardians just put fake gems in the gauntlet for display purposes. And about the staff, it is speculated to use the same type of energy used by the Tesseract, not necessarily powered by the Tesseract itself. Captain America says it's like one of Hydra's energy weapons more than anything.
- I'm working on the theory the other things in the trophy room were more just 'fandom nods' than 'it's true continuity'. Even if so, if you compare the comic-con Marvel prop images of the Gauntlet
◊ to the movie version
◊ .... a large blue gem on the back of the palm is missing.
- Except that's not the version actually in the movie, the version in Thor has the big blue gem in it [1]
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- To my knowledge, there has been no specific indication of how much time has passed between Thor and The Avengers. But clearly, some time has passed. In the meantime, the Gauntlet has been sitting in Odin's vault, a vault that has recently been robbed of its primary guardian after Thor trashed the Destroyer. And the guy who would want the Gauntlet happens to have as his minion, a trickster god who knows several back doors into Asgard that could get him in and out without being noticed. Keep in mind, we have no idea what is going on in Asgard after Thor's movie ends. There's a very good chance that something happened in the meantime.
- Thor Ragnarok confirms the gauntlet in Asgard is a fake thanks Hela dismissing it as fake. Although Thanos doesn't obtain the gems until shortly before the start of ''Infinity War. So confirmed.
- Except that's not the version actually in the movie, the version in Thor has the big blue gem in it [1]
- But Tony's also the most insistent that SHIELD be honest with its intentions, that advanced technology should not be made into weapons, and that the Avengers are not soldiers or weapons to be deployed blindly at government will.
- He's the first person to genuinely reach out to Bruce Banner with empathy and respect, encouraging him to accept his "condition" as a gift that can help people. Tony's the only person who believes Bruce will join them for the final battle, and Bruce does show up, with the implication that The Power of Friendship from Tony helped inspire him.
- Finally, the climax of the final battle is Tony's apparent death by Heroic Sacrifice, with the focus on the team's reaction to his loss.
- Tony's role as The Heart is complicated: Tony's breaking the team apart more often than bringing it together like a proper Heart, and he shares the role with Coulson as the Sacrificial Lion and Steve, who as The Good Captain is always the moral center of the Avengers. But while The Hero Steve keeps the team together, The Lancer Tony made sure the team was worth forming in the first place.

- Not intending to burst a potentially-good plot detail, but the design for Ultimate Nick Fury
(which Samuel L. Jackson lent his likeness to in the beginning) has that nasty scar lines around his eye socket too. It might be that Fury's past missions were simply that hellish. Hey, after all, we did see the All-Father Odin with a nasty, empty eye socket in Thor.
- Hmm. He does have a scar in Iron Man 2, but looking at him from Iron Man 2
◊, compared to how he looks in The Avengers, that scar looks worse in The Avengers. I just can't shake the feeling that something is going on with it.
- The major part of the scar, constant between the movies, is a set of three parallel slashes. Since his film rights are owned by Fox, he can't be mentioned, but can you think of a notorious person within the larger Marvel Universe who might have been likely to give Fury a wound of that nature? I'll bet you can, bub.
- And you're be wrong, as of Captain Marvel (2019). It's Goose the Flerken who scratched Fury's eye out, because Fury trusted her to behave like the cute kitty she resembles. Which she did, but only to a point.
- There could be some merit to this. Yes, he died, and it was a noble death that brought the team together. But, after the medical team arrives on scene and declares him dead, we never see anything else of him after that.
- Wait a minute now. Did we actually here the medics say it, or just Fury say that they called it?
- Just Fury. Who almost immediately voices a significant lie regarding Coulson's "death" to the team in order to prod them in the direction he wanted. His secrets have secrets, indeed.
- Wait a minute now. Did we actually here the medics say it, or just Fury say that they called it?
And with SHIELD having this hi-tech helicarrier with hi-tech equipment on board, who knows what happened in the med-bay? What if Marvel is planning to bring back Agent Coulson as Vision?
It's said at least 3 times in The Avengers that Coulson was dating a cellist. Guess who's a cellist in the Marvel Universe? Wanda Maximoff aka The Scarlett Witch. And who is Scarlett Witch's husband in the comics? Vision, the human/synthetic reincarnation of a dead hero. Both are Avengers.
We already know Coulson will be back in some form, Gregg's contract is for more films than he's been in so far, and while the original Vision was an android created by Ultron, so far Marvel hasn't been afraid to change certain details to fit the story.
Now you may be thinking, "But Fox currently holds the right to use mutants." But that isn't necessarily the complete truth. Kevin Feige brought this up at the red carpet premiere. According to him, both Marvel and Fox have rights to Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver jointly. I'm guessing the deal is that Marvel can't refer to them as "mutants" and connect them to Magneto or the X-Men in any way, while Fox can't refer to them as being associated with The Avengers.
What's even more interesting is that he brought up those two characters specifically as characters who could appear in Avengers 2. Why would he mention Scarlet Witch now? It all seems too good to be a coincidence.
- Also, it's probably too much of a coincidence that Coulson just happened to be dating a woman with superpowers. The "dates" were actually a cover story, in reality he was visiting Wanda so he could get her to join the Avengers Initiative. (So Coulson was kinda telling the truth to Tony Stark when he said the dates didn't lead to anything, as Wanda clearly wasn't willing to join the Avengers yet, otherwise he would've been there with the other heroes.) In the second movie she will finally join them, and this time there'll probably be an actual romance with Coulson/The Vision too.
- Jossed.
- Isn't that an awful lots of arbitrary 'could be explained by'? I think its much more likely that The Other is a true Chitauri. The soldiers were bio-androids, or perhaps cyber-zombies; weapons, IOW, rather than people.
- If the Other were the Red Skull, then he shouldn't have been as unfamiliar with humanity as he was before the invasion. Lines like "Humans... they are not the cowering wretches we were promised" point to him not being human, and thus being unfamiliar with them.
- Firmly Jossed when Red Skull himself appears in Avengers: Infinity War six years later, with The Other having been killed off in the meantime.
- Also, the Life Model Decoy was mentioned offhand by Tony earlier in the film, confirming their existence in the MCU. Fury also says that he has a "good friend" keeping an eye on Jane. Who better to do the job than Coulson? The LMD allowed him to be in two places at once.
- According to the closed captions for the movie, Tony used the word 'was'. Just for perspective's sake.
- Unsurprisingly jossed. Warlock's been set up in a movie about a team that has no connections to Coulson whatsoever.
- It probably won't be Thor 2 as Kevin Feige says that it will be 'very singular'
. Of course it's possible that could be used as The Stinger for Thor 2.
- Try The Stinger for Thor: Ragnarok.
- Unnecessary. The rebooted origin also had him surviving gamma exposure.
- Actually, the 2003 film connects nicely to the rest of the movies. The first one tells what happened before banner started hiding in remote countries, and the next movie connects to the first one and the actual Avengers movie by starting out in a remote country, and showing how Bruce gained control. the fact that the first two movies have two different actors portraying banner is irrelevant considering he was replaced again for the Avengers.
- The 2008 film is said to be a spiritual sequel to the 2003 one, referencing the fact by starting Banner off in a South American country. The intro to the 2008 film shows that the Hulk's origin is similar to the one in the TV show, the exposure to the gamma radiation was deliberate. And it was said in the 2008 film that Banner was attempting to recreate the Super-Soldier Serum, and was sure Gamma radiation was the answer, it's possible he used an experimental serum before the exposure that allowed him to survive, with the Hulk as an unfortunate side effect.
- Actually, the 2003 film connects nicely to the rest of the movies. The first one tells what happened before banner started hiding in remote countries, and the next movie connects to the first one and the actual Avengers movie by starting out in a remote country, and showing how Bruce gained control. the fact that the first two movies have two different actors portraying banner is irrelevant considering he was replaced again for the Avengers.
- Presuming, of course, that remnants of HYDRA didn't survive and continue to be a pain for the SSR and its successor, SHIELD.
- Jossed by Iron Man 3.
- Jossed. The only non-Avengers movies she appears in are Winter Soldier and Far From Home, and the later wasn't even her, but a Skrull impersonator.
- Some actual German viewers assumed that man had lived through the GDR and their own "freedom from freedom" policies rather than the Holocaust. The history of Germany in the 20th century isn't divided into good people and Nazis, and Hitler wasn't the last cruel leader they endured.
- If anything it would make more sense — and be better storytelling — if he wasn't. Aside from the fact that he's way too young, for a lot of Germans — especially in the immediate postwar generation — there's a sense of "we let this happen once. We must never let it happen again".
- Or even better, the man could have possibly been a German soldier who regretted his actions in the war.
- Better yet, he could be the son of a man who was executed for working as a partisan against the Nazi regime, and Captain America worked with his father.
- As I recall her name tag said Beth on it. Are there any continuity savants around to tell us whether or not there were any Cap supporting characters with that name? I can't find any in the MCD. The movie focused on her three times which makes me think this WMG has some substance to it.
- The only close one from the comics I can think of is Elizabeth "Betsy" Ross, and she was around in WW2 not modern era. (IIRC some retcon places her as grandma of Hulk's GF Betty Ross). But of course the movies have combined characters before (Whiplash/Crimson Dynamo & I'd say movie Red Skull is a combo of RS & Zemo. So it could be Betsy combined with some modern love interest of Cap.)
- Jossed
- He's also Airborne-qualified, so mo' money. Though his parents were dead before he joined the Army.
- And I presume that Steve's parents were struggling to make ends meet. In other words, they're not quite poor, but they're certainly not rich enough to have large sums of money for inheritance.
- One of the early scenes in the Captain America film mentions that both of his parents had already died.]
- Depends on his legal status. If he was declared legally dead at any point while he was frozen, he would have lost any assets he may have owned. Then again SHIELD would probably pay him far more than what the SSR could offer.
- Jossed.
- Unlikely. The current word on Captain America 2 is that Cap will be working with SHIELD. Its unlikely that he would still be working with them, yet two actual SHIELD agents wouldn't.
- Seeing as how they are government agents and they caused almost no property damage (as compared to say... the Hulk) they probably wouldn't get into too much trouble. Not unless the Senator wants to hold the Police Officers and National Guard personnel who were present for the battle responsible as well. If he doesn't, then Fury can just say, "What makes Hawkeye and Widow any more responsible for the plasma damage to the city?" This would probably cover Captain America's ass too seeing as how he's Captain Goddamn America and if you try and hold him responsible for what alien invaders did then you hate freedom. It should also be noted that the Car that Black Widow and Hawkeye left in had a S.H.I.E.L.D insignia on the door.
- Seemingly confirmed by the animated background for Item 47. Which depicts the process of Shield converting the only active Chitauri weapon on the planet into a series of personal and vehicle mounted energy weapons in a manner similar to the destroyer cannon.
- The powers that be would be incredibly remiss to ignore the shitstorm of massive proportions that has erupted from the whole affair and not do something to fix it.
- It seems this is true. Clark Gregg is signed on for more films.
- Additional WMG: To tie the new Spider-Man film into this continuity, he'll appear as the principal of Peter Parker's school, just like he does on Ultimate Spider-Man. Fwip fwip.
- Confirmed (the very above). He did die but was resurrected and is one of the main characters of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D..
- Jossed.
- Or they were planning to kill him after they were done using him as an errand boy. It'd be a bit of a liability to keep alive a powerful and unstable former ally who has a perfectly good reason to not like you very much.
- I think Loki not moving after the Hulk beat the tar out of him really had more to do with the fact that the Hulk just beat the tar out of him. He also seemed surprised when he saw the team was behind him, so he probably thought that he had more time before he got there.
- In the end he probably did surrender with that in mind, choosing the lesser of two evils.
- Additionally, Loki is indeed controlling people's minds through the technology given him, but not in the manner he suspects: everyone touched by the spear is Indoctrinated, and only following him because it coincides with the Reapers' plans (to paraphrase some lines in the film: "The Tesseract... showed me things; I have clarity now"). Also, note how their eyes turn electric blue, and briefly acquire glowing facial scars: they are in the initial stages of being transformed into a.) Husks, or b.) Reaper emissaries, such as Saren and the Illusive Man.
- This WMG certainly makes the "Space Magic!" meme funnier.
- Jossed. Deadpool is not a part of the MCU.
- Jossed.
- Jossed.

- I had a similar thought. Considering how risky the invasion plan was to begin with (YMMV on that, but see the Headscratchers page for a long, long discussion of its flaws), Unless Loki got dumber between movies, he was probably aware all along that his plan could easily fail and even if it succeeded he'd just be a vassal. But directly due to Loki's attack in this movie, a confrontation between Thanos and the Avengers is likely. If the Avengers win, then the force that traumatized Loki in unspecified ways between movies has been punished and there's a cosmic Evil Power Vacuum he can step into. If Thanos wins, Earth is really, really doomed, so Loki would have Revenge by Proxy on Thor for the events of Thor. Either way, Loki arguably winds up better off than if his invasion had won.
- I don't think this theory holds water at all... If Thanos and Loki merely wanted Thor to arrest Loki and take him to Asgard, why go through through such a large-case scenario to do that? It would been have enough for Loki to run some smaller scheme that would get Thor's attention (kill some random people, for example), then have a fake fight with Thor that ends with him thinking he has defeated Loki, so he can take Loki back to Asgard. Why would Loki and Thanos want to get S.H.I.EL.D. and other earthlings involved in the scheme? Even if they don't see humans as a risk, why would they want any outsiders to find out more about their plan than what is absolutely necessary? If they got only Thor involved, no one else would know anything about what's going on. Also, if Thanos knew the Chitauri would eventually be defeated, why would he risk alienating his allies by letting them be killed in masses? Why get the Chitauri involved in the first place, when the same end result could've been reached without them?
- Jossed. Ragnarok reveals that the Asgard gauntlet is fake.
- He's on his last regeneration so his appearance is unattractive (like Crispy Master).
- Jossed. He dies in Guardians of the Galaxy.
- Confirmed and Jossed. Coulson got resurrected but he doesn’t have an Arc Reactor.
- For his new identity he borrowed the name of a legendary WWII commando.
- This also suggests that the Tesseract was the shiny thing in the briefcase.
- However, that was gold-colored, unlike the Tesseract.
- This is awesome. The parallels are definitely there, whether they're intentional or not.
[WMG:With things suddenly taking a turn for the worse, Coulson was so dedicated to the cause and desperate to get the team to start working together that he went into his encounter with Loki knowing full well that he wouldn't make it out.]]
She's been recast - as Wasp.- Jossed. She reprises her role from the first Thor movie in Thor: The Dark World.
And if anyone ever makes a Batman reference, he'll stand up and go, "I understood that!" like he did with the Wizard of Oz reference.
- I would certainly be amused by a scene where Cap watches Batman and Robin and is utterly confused by the whole thing.
- Given Steve's personality, he probably would have liked Dick Tracy from the newspaper comics more. Tracy worked with the authorities a lot more than pre-Silver Age Batman did.
- Annihilus would never serve as a lackey to Thanos, as The Other seems to do in the movie. He's the proud ruler of an entire universe, not a servant to anyone.
- In addition, Banner remarks that he is always angry before turning into Hulk intentionally. He is shown meditating throughout the 2008 film trying to calm it, but he could've also been trying to find a compromise between himself and the Hulk personality. Before, he and the Hulk looked completely different, but as he drew closer to reaching common ground with it, he and the Hulk would keep looking similar to each other after each transformation. Perhaps eventually this will lead to the Professor Hulk persona at the end of the film saga.
- Jossed, but he does become Professor Hulk.
Both Loki and Fury are more than willing to get blood on their hands for the greater good. Neither of them are "good guys" in the traditional sense. ("A liar and killer, in the service of liars and killers.") Not by any means. But they're both the types to allow hundreds or even thousands of deaths to save billions in exchange.
It explains why the brainwashing wasn't entirely complete and Fury didn't die in the first scene. Where the enemies of S.H.I.E.L.D. managed to get the required tech and manpower together in a day or less. Where said manpower went at the end of it all. Why Loki didn't simply teleport out of his cage. Why Loki was so surprised that Thor showed up - S.H.I.E.L.D. didn't expect him to, as Fury said. Why Loki would be so stupid as to hand over the Tessaract in exchange for one measly planet, especially after seeing so many other worlds. And why he barely fought at the end, and sent out his "army" in small, easier to handle, batches.
It would be a perfect partnership for two Chaotic Neutral antiheroes. Loki plays on each Avenger's weakness, and Fury pushes on their strengths. Yes, a lot of people die, but that's better than the alternative, isn't it?
- Well it's already been pointed out on this page that there's a lot of parallels between the movie and Watchmen ...
- "Hulk smash puny god thirty-five minutes ago."
- Jossed.
- As a bonus, the Collector will try to collect the entire set (that’s in his name!): the Asgardians only have to watch Taneleer to learn where the other Stones are, instead of diverting their own precious resources from the reconstruction.
- You can even expand this to say that this is the reason cap's shield can be moved around despite vibranium absorbing all incoming force. It is quite literally magic.
- It would also explain why only Captain America can wield it, as the shield has judged only him to be worthy.
- Bucky briefly wielded it during the fight on the train, so apparently he was worthy too. It'd make sense, considering what kind of person he is, and his relationship with Steve. That said, Johann Schmidt briefly uses the shield against Steve during their final fight, so it definitely isn't nearly as rigid about it as Mjolnir is.
- This would also explain why the shield reacts inconsistently to different forces. Sometimes it absorbs things, sometimes it disperses things, sometimes it reflects things. It depends on what it thinks makes the most sense.
- Of course, this does beg the question of how Howard Stark actually managed to get an Asgardian weapon to melt. If it was anything like Mjolnir, shouldn't it be all but impervious to damage?
- Jossed.
- I Like this theory, except I wouldn't go so far as to say he was trying to commit Suicide by Cop, as he clearly still wants to win throughout the whole film. I don't think it's so much he wanted to die, he just didn't care if he did.
- They don't even seem to bother with armor. Over the course of the battle, the foot soldiers are killed very easily by handguns, a bow, and a fist (not just the big green one either). The only things that were hard to take down, the space whales, could only really attack things either by dropping off troops, or ramming into things. They do have some notable weak spots, such as their unarmored faces.
- They do not act like military force, but a raging group of barbarians on a hunt. Instead of seeking out high priority targets, the police, military, S.H.E.I.L.D., or the Avengers, they fly around, spreading random destruction and terror. We see them gather up large groups of civilians, just so they can chuck a bomb into the group. They resort to melee weapons at almost hilarious regularity. Since we know the Other doubts humanity could do anything but burn in the face of his army, we can bet he just told them "prepare for the slaughter."
- The portal is the ultimate choke point. It doesn't matter how many more they have on the other side, the invasion force is limited to how many troops you can get through a hole about the size of large city block. Even if they could secure the city, that portal is a logistical nightmare.
- They are starting their invasion in a nation that spends more on it's military than the next ten nations combined. By the time the battle of New York was over, only some ground troops and Humvees had managed to help out (most likely because S.H.I.E.L.D. ordered that the city be nuked and told the US army to stay clear). Yet, an entire invasion force was stopped in it's tracks by three super powered beings and two completely normal (although highly exceptional) agents. If that army faced off against an actual military force, the aliens would of been the ones to court death.
- Well (and this is extreme WMGing) maybe those troops they sent to New York were just shock troops, meant to inspire terror before the real Chitauri troops came in to take over. It's like what the US did in Iraq; a shock-and-awe campaign followed by the real deal. Maybe they wanted to test our response time (an hour before the National Guard can deploy?) Of course, the real invasion never came because Iron Man sent that missile straight into the fleet that would've launched it.
- ''Age of Ultron’' says thee nay.
Basically what I'm saying is that Critical Role exists as a show in the MCU. And, given Ashley's connections (that totally exist for the purposes of this WMG proper) with the good Captain, chances are that during one episode, Steve Rogers rolled a character as a guest party member. Maybe a Paladin?
- Jossed. The character's name is Beth.