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[[WMG: Alexander Pierce planned to nuke New York anyway.]]
Director Pierce, secretly in Hydra's pocket, saw the Avengers as an obstacle to Hydra's plans and convinced the Council that the nuclear option was their only choice to protect the world. He wanted to use the convenient Chitauri invasion to eliminate both threats, and use the destruction of New York to rattle the world enough to make it easier for Hydra to wrest control from the world's governments. When Iron Man was able to dispose of the nuke into Chitauri space, Pierce moved forward with [[Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier Project: Insight.]]


*** Definitely jossed by ''Film/AntMan''. The first Wasp (Janet) couldn't appear in either this film or ''Age of Ultron'' due to [[spoiler: being trapped in the Quantum Realm]], and the second one (Hope) wasn't even active at the time ''The Avengers'' came out.

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*** Definitely jossed by ''Film/AntMan''.''Film/AntMan1''. The first Wasp (Janet) couldn't appear in either this film or ''Age of Ultron'' due to [[spoiler: being trapped in the Quantum Realm]], and the second one (Hope) wasn't even active at the time ''The Avengers'' came out.


* Jossed. [[spoiler:Loki is the villain. His closest ally is the Other, the leader of the Chitauri, who is taking orders from a BiggerBad, revealed in the post-credits scene to be ComicBook/{{Thanos}}.]]

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* Jossed. [[spoiler:Loki is the villain. His closest ally is the Other, the leader of the Chitauri, who is taking orders from a BiggerBad, who's revealed in the post-credits scene to be ComicBook/{{Thanos}}.]]



* I had a similar thought. Considering how risky the invasion plan was to begin with (YMMV on that, but see the Headscratchers page for a long, long discussion of its flaws), Unless Loki [[VillainBall got dumber between movies]], he was probably aware all along that his plan could easily fail and even if it succeeded he'd just be a vassal to a BiggerBad that was strong and getting even stronger. But directly due to Loki's attack in this movie, a confrontation between [[spoiler:Thanos]] and the Avengers is likely. If the Avengers win, then the force that traumatized Loki in unspecified ways between movies has been punished and there's a cosmic EvilPowerVacuum he can step into. If [[spoiler: Thanos]] wins, Earth is really, really doomed, so Loki would have RevengeByProxy on Thor for the events of [[{{Film/Thor}} Thor]]. Either way, Loki arguably winds up ''better off'' than if his invasion had won.

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* I had a similar thought. Considering how risky the invasion plan was to begin with (YMMV on that, but see the Headscratchers page for a long, long discussion of its flaws), Unless Loki [[VillainBall got dumber between movies]], he was probably aware all along that his plan could easily fail and even if it succeeded he'd just be a vassal to a BiggerBad that was strong and getting even stronger.vassal. But directly due to Loki's attack in this movie, a confrontation between [[spoiler:Thanos]] and the Avengers is likely. If the Avengers win, then the force that traumatized Loki in unspecified ways between movies has been punished and there's a cosmic EvilPowerVacuum he can step into. If [[spoiler: Thanos]] wins, Earth is really, really doomed, so Loki would have RevengeByProxy on Thor for the events of [[{{Film/Thor}} Thor]]. Either way, Loki arguably winds up ''better off'' than if his invasion had won.

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[[WMG: Phil Coulson is part Asgardian, a distant cousin of Thor.]]
Coulson > Culson. - Cul is Odin's brother, thus Phil Coulsons name follows the same naming schema as Thor Odinson. A name inherited from a distant asgardian ancestor.




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[[WMG: Loki deliberately had Eric Selvig install the failsafe into the portal device.]]
Eric was under the influence of the septer when he built the device so he couldn't have created the failsafe unless Loki ordered it done.

Loki could have done this because he didn't trust Thanos and wanted to be able to shut the portal down if something other than an army came out or if the army did not obey his orders, perhaps coming through under another General instead (perhaps the Dark Order).

Alternatively his intention could have been to get stopped by the Avengers all along because he had a change of heart after meeting Thanos and needed an excuse to both get away from thanos and not return any infinity stones to Thanos without looking like he had stabbed Thanos in the back. Getting tossed into Asgardian jail seems like a convincing cover and he might either have predicted the Dark Elves and counted on their attack causing enough chaos to escape or had an alternate plan to get out eventually and fake his death.



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** He lifts it in ''Endgame''.



[[spoiler:Confirmed, but Hulk is fought from a combination of stress from a sudden attack and influence from Loki. He's fought only by Thor and briefly an fighter jet, while Black Widow just runs like heck from him.]]


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* [[spoiler:Confirmed, but Hulk is fought from a combination of stress from a sudden attack and influence from Loki. He's fought only by Thor and briefly an fighter jet, while Black Widow just runs like heck from him.]]




Jossed. Corvus Glaive is a different character that appears in ''Infinity War''.

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* Jossed. Corvus Glaive is a different character that appears in ''Infinity War''.




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* Jossed. Different versions of those characters appear in later works.




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* Jossed. They're the World Security Council.




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*** Fully Jossed as ''Age of Ultron'' reveals that Hawkeye is married with children.




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** Jossed.




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*** Her last name is Hawley.



* Pretty sure that was the first ''Film/IronMan'''s job.

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* Pretty sure that was the first ''Film/IronMan'''s ''Film/IronMan1'''s job.




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*** Confirmed.




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** Subsequent WordOfGod indicates that the Scepter was subtly influencing him.




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* Jossed.




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* Confirmed.



*** The 2008 film is said to be a spiritual sequel to the 2003 one, referencing the fact by starting Banner off in a south american country. The intro to the 2008 film shows that the Hulk's origin is similar to the one in the TV show, the exposure to the gamma radiation was deliberate. And it was said in the 2008 film that Banner was attempting to recreate the Super-Soldier Serum, and was sure Gamma radiation was the answer, it's possible he used an experimental serum before the exposure that allowed him to survive, with the Hulk as an unfortunate side effect.

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*** The 2008 film is said to be a spiritual sequel to the 2003 one, referencing the fact by starting Banner off in a south american South American country. The intro to the 2008 film shows that the Hulk's origin is similar to the one in the TV show, the exposure to the gamma radiation was deliberate. And it was said in the 2008 film that Banner was attempting to recreate the Super-Soldier Serum, and was sure Gamma radiation was the answer, it's possible he used an experimental serum before the exposure that allowed him to survive, with the Hulk as an unfortunate side effect.




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* Jossed by ''Iron Man 3''.




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* Jossed. The only non-Avengers movies she appears in are ''Winter Soldier'' and ''Far From Home'', and the later wasn't even her, but a Skrull impersonator.




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* Jossed.




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* Jossed.




[[WMG: Deadpool exists in the same universe as Avengers.]]
If his movie will come out before any other, and if [[spoiler:Thanos]] will make an appearence.



[[WMG: Deadpool exists in the same universe as Avengers.]]
If his movie will come out before any other, and if [[spoiler:Thanos]] will make an appearence.
* Jossed.




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* Jossed. ''Ragnarok'' reveals that the Asgard gauntlet is fake.



* He's on his last regeneration so his appearance is unattractive (like Crispy!Master).

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* He's on his last regeneration so his appearance is unattractive (like Crispy!Master).Crispy Master).
* Jossed. He dies in ''Guardians of the Galaxy''.




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** Jossed, but he does become Professor Hulk.




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* Jossed.




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* Jossed.




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* Jossed. The character's name is Beth.


[[WMG:SpiderMan will have a cameo in the film]]

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[[WMG:SpiderMan [[WMG:Franchise/SpiderMan will have a cameo in the film]]


** And you're be wrong, as of ''Film/CaptainMarvel''. [[spoiler: It's Goose the Flerken who scratched Fury's eye out, because Fury trusted her to behave like the cute kitty she resembles. Which she did, but only to a point.]]

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** And you're be wrong, as of ''Film/CaptainMarvel''.''Film/CaptainMarvel2019''. [[spoiler: It's Goose the Flerken who scratched Fury's eye out, because Fury trusted her to behave like the cute kitty she resembles. Which she did, but only to a point.]]



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** And you're be wrong, as of ''Film/CaptainMarvel''. [[spoiler: It's Goose the Flerken who scratched Fury's eye out, because Fury trusted her to behave like the cute kitty she resembles. Which she did, but only to a point.]]


* [[MightyMorphinPowerRangers Serpenterra!]] [[spoiler:It was even defeated by Iron Man in the same way!]]

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* [[MightyMorphinPowerRangers [[Series/MightyMorphinPowerRangers Serpenterra!]] [[spoiler:It was even defeated by Iron Man in the same way!]]



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*** Definitely jossed by ''Film/AntMan''. The first Wasp (Janet) couldn't appear in either this film or ''Age of Ultron'' due to [[spoiler: being trapped in the Quantum Realm]], and the second one (Hope) wasn't even active at the time ''The Avengers'' came out.




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** The deal was too late for it to be incorporated, and ultimately Marvel did [[Film/SpidermanHomecoming their own take]] on everyone's favorite webslinger.




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*** ''Thor Ragnarok'' confirms the gauntlet in Asgard is a fake thanks Hela dismissing it as fake. Although Thanos doesn't obtain the gems until shortly before the start of ''Infinity War. So confirmed.




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* [[spoiler: Unsurprisingly jossed. Warlock's been set up in [[Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxy a movie about a team]] that has no connections to Coulson whatsoever]].




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** [[spoiler: Try TheStinger for ''Film/ThorRagnarok'']].



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** Firmly {{Jossed}} when [[spoiler: Red Skull himself appears in Film/AvengersInfinityWar six years later, with The Other having been killed off in the meantime]].


* Most of the changes for the 2003 movie to fit in the MCU would be:
** David Banner was working with General Ross on recreating the Super-Soldier serum, and secretly tested it on himself. He unknowingly passed it on to his unborn son.
** The Glenn Talbot in this movie is the MCU Talbot's younger brother William.
** The security guard (played by Creator/LouFerrigno) in ''The Incredible Hulk'' is the same one in this movie.
** The other security guard (played by Creator/StanLee) is related to the other Stan Lee characters in the MCU (see '''Stan Lee characters''' in the [[WMG/MarvelCinematicUniverse Marvel Cinematic Universe WMG]]).

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* Most of the changes for the 2003 movie to fit in the MCU would be:
** David Banner was working with General Ross on recreating the Super-Soldier serum, and secretly tested it on himself. He unknowingly passed it on to his unborn son.
** The Glenn Talbot in this movie is the MCU Talbot's younger brother William.
** The security guard (played by Creator/LouFerrigno) in ''The Incredible Hulk'' is the same one in this movie.
** The other security guard (played by Creator/StanLee) is related to the other Stan Lee characters in the MCU (see '''Stan Lee characters''' in the [[WMG/MarvelCinematicUniverse Marvel Cinematic Universe WMG]]).





* What about TheHulk? When his pulse rises, no one is [[YouWouldntLikeMeWhenImAngry likely to like him]]. Of course, he could be the designated [[DrunkDriver driver]].

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* What about TheHulk? [[ComicBook/IncredibleHulk The Hulk]]? When his pulse rises, no one is [[YouWouldntLikeMeWhenImAngry likely to like him]]. Of course, he could be the designated [[DrunkDriver driver]].



[[WMG:TheHulk is friends with Tony because of how he treats Bruce Banner]]

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[[WMG:TheHulk [[WMG:The Hulk is friends with Tony because of how he treats Bruce Banner]]


And he will tell him "[y]ou're a lot like him". Maybe insultingly at first, but the next time will be a CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming.

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And he will tell him "[y]ou're a lot like him". Maybe insultingly at first, but the next time will be a CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming.SugarWiki/{{Heartwarming Moment|s}}.



Every GenreSavvy viewer is well-aware of Joss's love for killing off one of the main character, especially in Film franchises. [[IKnowYouKnowIKNow And Joss is well-aware that most viewers are aware of this]], so he's going to screw with the audience and have someone killed off before the mid-way point...only for it turn out to be DisneyDeath. Then he's going to "[[LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt kill off]]" someone who can't die, because they'll be future movies, but then it will look like they really are dead... only for them to turn up in a BigDamnHeroes [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome moment]].

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Every GenreSavvy viewer is well-aware of Joss's love for killing off one of the main character, especially in Film franchises. [[IKnowYouKnowIKNow And Joss is well-aware that most viewers are aware of this]], so he's going to screw with the audience and have someone killed off before the mid-way point...only for it turn out to be DisneyDeath. Then he's going to "[[LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt kill off]]" someone who can't die, because they'll be future movies, but then it will look like they really are dead... only for them to turn up in a BigDamnHeroes [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome [[SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome moment]].



[[WMG:The scene between Loki and Tony will be actually be a HeartwarmingMoment]]

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[[WMG:The scene between Loki and Tony will be actually be a HeartwarmingMoment]]SugarWiki/{{Heartwarming Moment|s}}]]



** Confirmed, but it's a HeartwarmingMoment because [[spoiler:Tony does an AndThisIsFor for [[HeroicSacrifice Coulson]]]] before he blasts Loki.

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** Confirmed, but it's a HeartwarmingMoment SugarWiki/{{Heartwarming Moment|s}} because [[spoiler:Tony does an AndThisIsFor for [[HeroicSacrifice Coulson]]]] before he blasts Loki.

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