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A couple more Doctor Who villains that sprung to mind. Firstly, Morgus from Season 21's The Caves of Androzani.

Who is he and what does he do?

Morgus is the leading businessman on an Earth colony planet, his power coming from his control of spectrox, a substance that when refined can extend human life. Because raw spectrox is toxic, Morgus went into partnership with the android builder Sharaz Jek, who provided androids to harvest it. Once he had no use of Jek, Morgus set him up to be killed in an explosion of boiling mud. Jek survived but was left with burned and scarred features. In revenge, Jek built an android army and took control of the caves where the spectrox is located.

However, this was playing into Morgus' hands, since it means he can charge higher prices for spectrox. What's more, he is financing the military operation against Jek whilst at the same time paying gunrunners to arm Jek in return for spectrox. So he is still getting the spectrox supplies, is charging higher prices and is deliberately keeping the war going with the resulting loss of life. When the Doctor and Peri are accused of being gunrunners, Morgus orders them shot without trial, using them as convenient scapegoats. On learning the Doctor is still alive, he believes he is part of a government investigation and so kills his planet's president before he can expose him, pushing him to his death down a lift shaft, aiming to then take all the remaining spectrox and set up elsewhere with funds he has appropriated elsewhere.

Heinousness by the standards of the series

While Morgus is more small scale than some Doctor Who villains, not being an Omnicidal Maniac or even trying to wipe out a planet or species, he stands out that in a story set in a complete Crapsack World, where the most sympathetic guest character is deranged criminal Jek, Morgus is the biggest bastard on a planet of bastards. (The only other character that comes close to CM territory is Stotz, and he's just a small-scale villain.) In addition to manipulating a war for the sake of his own profit, as a side scheme he arranges to have one of his own mines blown up with massive loss of life, simply because it is too productive and therefore the material isn't scarce enough. He also closes down several of his factories, making the workers unemployed, then convinces the government to send them to a labour camp on the other side of the planet, where he has been opening factories, meaning he has turned a paid labour force into his slaves. After killing the President, he acts as though he himself was the subject of an assassination attempt and orders the man who services the lift shot out of hand.

Redeeming Features

None at all: The only person he even comes close to treating less than shitty is his assistant Timmin, and that's more a case of him not considering her important enough to kill her. (A mistake, since she's gathering evidence against him.) He demonstrates his utter lack of feeling by ordering a minute's silence for his own victims...then changing it to half a minute. What's more, as a descendant of the colony's original founders, he considers himself aristocracy and treats the gunrunners who work for him with contempt. In the end, his lack of human feeling is his downfall. He has spent so long killing people for profit and personal gain that he doesn't quite grasp that Jek wants to kill him not because there's anything in it for him but because he hates him. An attempt at a personal confrontation goes as badly as expected, with the sight of him turning Jek into The Determinator.

Verdict

While not up there in terms of body count or potential threat, in terms of utter callousness for the sake of personal gain Morgus seems to be right up there, certainly on a par with Lord Sutcliffe. Definitely looks like he counts to me...

edited 28th May '17 8:37:51 AM by skteosk

Secondly, Gavrok from Season 24's Delta and the Bannermen.

Who is he and what does he do?

Gavrok is the leader of the Bannermen, who he is leading in a genocidal war against the Chimerons. (The television version never explains the cause of the war, just that Gavrok is determined to wipe them all out. The novelisation by the original scriptwriter states that the Bannermen ruined their own planet with pollution so intend to depopulate the Chimerons' world so they can move there.) As the story begins, he has practically wiped out the entire species. With the only survivor being the Chimeron queen Delta, along with the egg containing her daughter, Gavrok pursues her to Earth intending to wipe out these last survivors, in what seems to be a combination of wanting to complete the genocide and removing the only witness to his crime before it can be reported to a higher authority.

Heinousness

Leading an act of near-genocide puts him pretty near the top of the pile even by Doctor Who standards. He takes over the tollport Delta stopped at on her way to Earth and interrogates the toll master, then after getting all the information he has, he tells him he's free to go then shoots him in the back. He blows up a bus full of tourists, killing dozens, just in case Delta is on board. When the Doctor approaches him under a flag of truce, Gavrok casually blasts it away, pouring scorn on the idea of fairness, and only allows the Doctor to leave unharmed because he intends to follow him to Delta. Plus he Would Hurt a Child: While leading the final attack, he tells his men to kill everyone but the Chimeron princess...because he wants to kill her himself, seemingly just for the satisfaction. The fight pretty much goes out of the Bannermen after his death, so it seems like he's directing the whole thing on force of personality.

Redeeming Features

If he has any loyalty to his men, it doesn't extend very far: He comes close to shooting one out of hand for failure, only relenting because the man has information on Delta's whereabouts. He puts up a bounty of one million units for information on Delta's location, then when a bounty hunter contacts him he gets a fix on his beacon and then blows the beacon up by remote control, killing the bounty hunter. This is not a man you want either against you or on the same side as you.

Verdict

I actually wasn't sure about Gavrok until I wrote all that but seeing it all laid out: Monster.

About the Lich........

I think if it's shown that he was a human that turned evil years ago(like Aldrich) or some sort of alien god or was offered the chance to do good or could change or is proven that he could alter his nature(like Diablo), but rejects it, we can keep him. However the implication is that he was Made of Evil is a total game-changer, since that alone would need something to prove he has moral agency or can act against his nature.

After all, we cut another CN villain that just met his rather satisfying end recently LONG, LONG AGO IN A DISTANT TIME for being Made of Evil and we also cut Glanrung for similar reasons.

The Lich's backstory is really vague.

For the complete monster Image Links do we just ask a moderator if we think we have a decent image, since it's locked? I think that [1] The Stinger of the Enchantress would work pretty well but I'm not sure how it works over threre.

to the two Who baddies

Yes the Lich's backstory is very vague, we have to wait and see and if there's definitive evidence he's Made of Evil then it'll unfortunately be a cut of one of the most evil villains in cartoons.

edited 28th May '17 11:28:34 AM by MahStache

It's been two weeks since the initial revelations, so I'm going to say it.

Kuroto Dan needs to be cut. He has revived and is now fighting with the heroes to get back at Parad, but that's not what disqualifies him. What does is that his mother was a Bugster victim, and before that, Kuroto was looking for a way to stop the virus. Furthermore, Kuroto was making Kamen Rider Chronicle, which is said to revive anyone killed as a result of the Bugster virus, partly to bring his mother back. We can safely assume that Kuroto was driven crazy by his mother's death, and it certainly explains his hatred for the Bugsters.

So, yeah. Kuroto doesn't count anymore. And it's because of this that I'm not going to say any more on the series until two weeks after the finale. Since these seasons only go on for a year each, we can wait.

Uh... I will agree with cutting Dan. For now.

I was gonna say "Wait till the show's over" but it's probably a good idea seeing as his mitigating factors are REALLY big now.

While he might subvert these noble motivations, as of right now we should cut him to avoid confusion.

I'll... Morgus at the moment. It's always hard with the Whoniverse. We have so many villains...

EDIT: And Gavrok.

edited 28th May '17 12:38:12 PM by PolarPhantom

• Peter "Mort" Mortimer, aka Scavenger and later Barracuda, stands out as one of the most horrifying minor villains in the DC universe. Originally appearing as a dangerous, if corny, villain of Aquaman, his list of crimes included attempting to poison an entire ocean and kill numerous people, among them a child. Mort seemingly took a turn for the better when he made a Heel–Face Turn to save children's lives, but this didn't last very long, as Mort was later revealed to be a despicable child rapist who rapes young boys, records then sells the acts, and will often rip the children's hearts out for fun. When confronted by an enraged Hawkman and Aquaman, the latter of whom thought Mort was a "friend", Mort shows nothing but smug glee at his crimes, with him brushing them off as nothing more than him having "urges" he needed to satisfy.
• Digimon World & related games: Analogman, along with Kurata easily the most vile human in the entire franchise, is a hacker who turned into an Omnicidal Maniac. He came to the Digital World, and sought to rule it by taking over Digimon and turning them into weapons. He saw them as little more than slaves to be used and abused as he saw fit, and says so more than once. The child protagonist, Mameo, fights against him and his partner Machinedramon, and wins. Analogman tries to kill Mameo with a bomb, but he dies instead. He later returns as a ghost in Digimon Digital Card Battle. The Player Character, heavily implied to be Hiro again, comes back to compete in a card tournament that takes a sinister twist when some of the villains from Adventure return. The last boss is apparently VenomMyotismon, but he is abruptly hijacked when Analogman returns and possesses the vampire. VenomMyotismon's mind is killed, but his body is now used by Analogman as a suit. Analogman challenges Hiro again, and loses, but before he can act on his revenge plan, he is sealed away in the "Deep Net." Analogman returns again in Digimon World -next 0rder-. Possessing Tsuzuki Shoma, Analogman tries one more campaign of terror against the Digital World, poisoning Digimon all over the world and forcibly turning them into Machinedramon clones. The process is painful, and worse, contagious. While it can be fought, it can also be enhanced by torturing the victims, as Analogman demonstrates more than once. His ultimate goal is to take the Executor—Noir the Omnimon Zwart D, and use his power to destroy a Cosmic Keystone that would erase the entire Digimon multiverse from existence, just to see what happens next.
• All Hallows' Eve: Art is a sadistic Monster Clown who finds humor in torture and murder. He's introduced in the first segment, The 9th Circle, drugging Casey and taking her underground, where she's abducted by a coven of witches who tie her down to an altar to be raped by the Devil. In the third segment, Terrifier, he viciously murders his way through a number of victims, all the while relentlessly pursuing a young woman who saw him dismembering the corpse of the gas station attendant. When he finally catches up with her, he shoots her would-be rescuer and takes her back to his lair where he and mutilates her while she's unconscious, cutting off her arms and legs, removing her breasts and carving misogynistic terms into her torso. He spends most of the wraparound segment stalking and tormenting Sarah and the children, particularly Tia, which all culminates in him killing the two children and presumably leaving Sarah to be blamed for their deaths. In a setting with demons, aliens, and other less describable creatures, Art stands out as a truly despicable and frightening murderer with no real reason for what he does besides his own amusement and pleasure, and frequently mimes laughter at the suffering of his victims.
• Attack on Darfur (2009/2010 Uwe Boll film): The Janjaweed commander is the bloodthirsty leader of a supremacist militia responsible for the slaughter of hundreds, if not thousands of black Africans in western Sudan. When he and his men arrive to a village, after forcing six Western journalists and the African soldiers to leave, they begin to Rape, Pillage, and Burn, plundering the village and indiscriminately killing men, women and children. The commander personally impales an infant on a bamboo stick and then has the mother gunned down after forcing her to watch the scene. As three journalists and an African captain try to save the villagers, they're also killed. One of the journalists is burned alive as the commander watches, chuckling sadistically before shooting him. After burning the village to the ground the commander moves on to continue his genocidal campaign across the region.
• Dr. Cyclops: Dr. Alexander Thorkel is a biologist seeking to perfect size reduction. Upon discovering an abandoned gold mine rich with pitchblende, Thorkel began to conduct his research. When Dr. Mendoza—Thorkel's former student and lab assistant—threatens to shut down his research, Thorkel exposes him to a lethal amount of radiation, causing his skin to ignite as well as his skull to glow. With his eyesight worsening, Thorkel invites three scientists to his Peruvian home; angered by their continual intrusion in his plans, Thorkel traps the group in a radiation chamber, and shrinks them. Seeing his victims as nothing more than lab rats, Thorkel kills Dr. Bullfinch upon realizing that the shrinking process was temporary. Chasing the group into the jungle, Thorkel blasts Pedro with the full gauge of his shotgun, and sets the grass ablaze in an attempt to kill the three survivors in one fell swoop.
• Fists of the White Lotus (1980): The White Lotus Chief is the head of the White Lotus Cult, a fanatical and criminal organization that he uses to enact his evil crimes. Opening the film by having a group of ex-convicts massacred before doing the same to an entire temple of people, the White Lotus Chief reveals that both were in an attempt to kill just two siblings so as to restore his honor after said brothers killed one of his old classmates. After successfully killing one of his targets, the White Lotus Chief orders all of his enemies across the land to be killed, notably leading to a charity event's defenseless patrons being slaughtered while they are trying to rebuild a temple. The White Lotus Chief shows no remorse for his own soldiers when he accidentally kills them during battle, and takes sick enjoyment from drawing out the deaths of his opponents by hitting them in their pressure points, then "letting" them flee, only for them to drop dead soon after.
• Golden Swallow (1968): The Golden Dragon Branch Chief is one of the highest ranking members in the criminal organization known as the Golden Dragon, and despite his very limited screen time, stands out as the worst among them. Introduced bisecting a man for treachery, the Branch Chief next has two would-be assassins brought out to him, where he questions their motive for trying to kill him. When the assassins reveal they were just ordinary people before the Branch Chief had their entire families, infants included, slaughtered, the Branch Chief just laughs at them before having their hearts carved out. Next dragging out one of his own soldiers, the Branch Chief orders the man be sliced into quarters simply because he refused to kill children on the Branch Chief's orders. These public executions are noted to be a regular occurrence for the Branch Chief, alongside regularly having families and innocent travelers killed, and the Branch Chief does it all with a smile on his face and no remorse whatsoever.
• Kidnap (2017): Terry and Margo are a villainous couple who kidnap children and sell them off to customers for a large amount of money, something they are implied to have been doing for quite a while. When Karla loses sight of her son Frankie at a park, Terry and Margo kidnap him, and when Karla gets into a car chase with them, they try their hardest to lose her, by means such as throwing things at her vehicle, at one point causing her to crash into a van, turning the van upside down with no indication of the driver surviving. Killing a police officer by running him off the road, they threaten Frankie's life unless Karla gives them $10,000. When Karla complies, Margo tries to kill Karla anyway once they reach the tunnel. When Karla goes into a police station, she finds that there have been at least a dozen kidnappings of children that are connected to this one. When Karla finds Terry, Terry runs over a lady who just happened to be in the way, as well as killing a man who Karla hitched a ride with. They also are shown abusing their captive children, keeping them inside the ceiling roof while Margo casually talks to a customer about upping the price, proclaiming it's 100 grand or they get nothing.
• Zerstörer (German for "Destroyer"), the Greater-Scope Villain of the entire series and Big Bad of season 6, is an ancient devil-like creature who millennia ago stole a "staff with the power of the gods" to bring about Hell on Earth. Defeated by the ancient Grimms, he was imprisoned in Hell, where animalistic Wesen rule and humans are "walking meat." Ruling over the chaos, Zerstörer waited until 2017 when he could escape. Needing a Grimm to break the spell, Zerstörer targeted Eve, taking control of her body to inscribe his symbols with her own blood, then stalking and almost strangling her, all so she would lure Nick into his realm. Once free, Zerstörer's first act was to skewer a man for just being in there, and then murdered another person—by causing his eyes to explode—for his clothes . Seeking the Shaphant, his destined child bride—and Renard and Adalind's preteen daughter Diana—and the final piece of his staff, Zerstörer went on a murder spree, climaxing with him slaughtering every single person within the precinct, including Hank and Wu. He then targeted everyone who Nick cares about: forcing Eve to slowly stab herself to death; stabbing Renard through the heart when he tries to protect Diana; using Nick's ax to kill Adalind; turning his staff into a serpent to poison Monroe and Rosalee; and finally strangling Trubel; all to force Nick into a deal to give him the staff's final piece and thus the power to merge the world with hell, creating eternal chaos for him to rule over. Cruel, cunning, and incredibly powerful, Zerstörer was opponent like nothing else Nick had ever encountered.
• Lone Wolf: While the evil god Naar and his direct creations, such as the Darklords of Helgedad, are incarnations of evil itself, the same cannot be said for Naar's mortal servants.
  • Vonotar the Traitor was once a member of the magician's guild of Sommerlund, but sought to learn evil magic in conjunction with good magic to become more powerful. Vonotar sold out his nation and his people when he revealed to the Darklords that all the Kai Order would be gathered at their monastery for the holy Feast of Fehmarn, which allowed the Darklords to massacre the Kai and pave the way for their invasion. Vonotar was given command of an undead fleet of warships and prevented aid from coming to Sommerlund by sea and sent numerous assassins out to kill Lone Wolf to prevent him from retrieving the Sommerswerd. When Lone Wolf succeeded and helped beat back the invasion, Vonotar captured and tortured a former guild mate to flee to the icy wastes of Kalte to escape the wrath of both Sommerlund and the Darklords. He took refuge with the Ice Barbarians but murdered their leader and enslaved them with magical jewelry, often forcing them to commit suicide if they resisted. Ultimately captured by Lone Wolf, Vonotar was flung through a magical gateway into another dimension where he gathered the worst criminals in Sommerlund's history and attempted to cross back over to Magnamund to wreak his vengeance. While he was ultimately slain by the coincidental arrival of Lone Wolf, Vonotar the Traitor served as an effective Starter Villain and showed just how far men can fall to evil in their pursuit of power.
  • Zakhan Kimah is the cruel, tyrannical usurper king of Vassagonia. Kimah began his career by leading the Sharnazim, Vassagonia's Secret Police, and would root out and torture any potential dissidents to the Zahkan's rule. Ever power hungry, Kimah made a pact with the Darklords and murdered the previous Zakhan, Moudalla, to seize control of the country. In exchange for the Orb of Death, Kimah lured Lone Wolf to Vassagonia in the guise of peace talks with the intent of handing him over to the Darklords. When Lone Wolf escaped capture, Kimah had the innocent boat crew that carried Lone Wolf denounced as traitors, publicly executed, and their heads stuck on pikes as examples. While Lone Wolf would ultimately end up escaping his grasp and slaying one of the Darklords, Kimah stayed in their good graces by becoming the only human nation to ally with the forces of evil. He would go on to lead a great army for the Darklords and slaughter or enslave every village or town he came across as he made his way to the neighboring capitol city of Tahou. Leading the assault on the city wielding the Orb of Death, Kimah made it clear in his taunts to Lone Wolf that he intended to raze the city and murder every innocent inside the walls of Tahou.
  • Archdruid Cadak is the lord of the Naar-aligned nation of Ruel and master of the Cener Druids. Commanding his ancient cult to master the arts of poisons and plagues, Cadak sought to make the world of Magnamund appropriate to Naar's tastes by creating a deadly plague that would wipe out all life on the planet with the exceptions of those Cadak saw as worthy. Under Cadak's guidance, the Cener Druids bred terrible abominations to use as Cannon Fodder, used biological weapons on neighboring countries, and captured enemy soldiers and civilians to use as test subjects for their poisons and plagues. When Lone Wolf destroyed the deadly plague, Cadak swore undying vengeance on him and all he held dear. He would go on to capture Lone Wolf's closest friend, the mage Banedon, and torture him while trying to lure Lone Wolf into a trap that would kill both of them. Failing that, Cadak made one final attempt to enact Naar's unholy designs by using the powerful Deathstaff to summon the demoness Shamath and resurrect Vashna, the most powerful of the Darklords. Cadak intended to use Vashna and his undead legions to overrun Magnamund and annihilate the rest of the world. Cadak's plans were again foiled by Lone Wolf and the wicked archdruid was slain, but Lone Wolf had not seen the last of Cadak as he makes one final appearance in Naar's evil realm as Lone Wolf trekked through it. Cadak pleaded with Lone Wolf to free him from his well-deserved torment, but he only intended to trick Lone Wolf into taking his place in eternal damnation.
• Malcolm Dreyfuss, the Big Bad of season 4, was an internet tech billionaire who's obsessed with gaining immortality. Originally a harmless, nerdish man who was forced into a Deal with the Devil, to avoid keeping his end of the deal Dreyfuss sought the most powerful mystical artifact of all, the Philosopher's Stone. His pursuits caused numerous deaths, including Diana Thomas's partner and friend Eric, Dreyfuss's efforts climaxed in him attempting to sacrifice over a hundred thousand people. Gaining his immortality, convinced he was destined for greatness, Dreyfuss sort to conquer America. To accomplish this he raised The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse; spreading a supernatural plague through Washington, causing multiple deaths through spontaneous combustion or having their soul devoured, for his horseman of Pestilence and then releasing a Chinese hunger demon which killed several people through either starvation or cannibalism, to raise his horseman of Famine. His plans succeeding, Malcolm turned Diana into his horseman of War effectively killing her. Dreyfuss then attacked Camp David and used the Four Horsemen to slaughter the entire US army, forcing the government to crown him immortal dictator of America. Malcolm proceeded to ruthlessly suppress all freedoms and execute all dissidents, using the Four Horseman as his personal hit squad. Unable to kill the Witnesses, Malcolm had Crane imprisoned and adopted Diana's daughter Molly, rechristening her Laura; he spent years lying and manipulating Laura, until upon one assault to wipe out the last of the resistance she learned the truth. Realizing that Laura was going to attempt to undo his handy work, Malcolm immediately tried to murder her. Despite his claims and excuses, underneath a seemingly earnest façade Dreyfuss was a callous, ruthless and fundamental selfish man, who proved that sometimes humans can be just as evil as demons.
• Jobe, a Prince of Pain from Hell's sixth circle, served as Malcolm's assistant, bodyguard and assassin throughout the season. Implementing the majority of Malcolm's plans, Jobe never missed an opportunity to commit murder, often choosing particularly painful methods for his victims. It was Jobe who originally shanghaied Malcolm into a deal for his soul, setting him off on the path to becoming a monster. Without Malcolm's knowledge, Jobe manipulated the terms of the deal to also send his best friend, the completely innocent Ansel, to hell. Jobe personally joined his fellow demons in torturing Ansel for twenty years even carving his name into his chest. Assisting Malcolm every step of the way, Jobe murders Mr. Wong in such a brutal manner it's mistaken for an animal attack; tortures Jake Wells for information, partially through physical pain, partially by giving him a nightmarish vision of him murdering Alex; and raised an army of Hessians as Draugurs to restore the Headless Horseman. Having no more use for them, he sent them to burn Sleepy Hollow to the ground. Disliking the prospect of serving Malcolm for eternity, Jobe helped bring about his downfall, and happily dragged the screaming Dreyfuss into Hell. Beneath his professionalism and tranquil appearance, Jobe was an arrogant, disloyal, sadistic monster.
• The Legendary Starfy series:
  • Evil/Iburu is the Greater-Scope Villain of the first two games, the Big Bad of the third game, and the orchestrator of everything bad that happens. Seemingly enslaving Ogura at a young age, he tells Ogura to destroy Pufftop and, when he fails, gives him " another chance" in the form of painfully transforming him into an Eldritch Abomination. He attempts to execute Moe before his father preforms a heroic sacrifice, but Evil doesn't mind this outcome. At the end of the game, Evil discards Ogura after he is no longer of use to him, claims that he's going to destroy the entire universe, For the Evulz, and very nearly succeeds. A psychopathic, seemingly invincible demon, Evil is a far cry from the lighthearted, sometimes even tragic villains, of the past games, and is a Knight of Cerebus in this family-friendly game.
  • Mashtooth, the Big Bad of the 5th game, is the cruel leader of a gang of Space Pirates and desires nothing but power. Chronologically, the first thing he does is invade the peaceful planet Bunnera to suck out the essence of its inhabitants, simply to make him stronger. He discards of the smaller Bunnerans, claiming "these snack-sized Bunnerans have given me enough power, but I need more." Mashtooth then goes after their prince, who narrowly escapes with his life. In the final battle, after his subordinates pulled a Heel–Face Turn on him, he eats the prince, who is still alive inside him, and uses the moon as a battering ram to try and kill Starfy, and possibly hundreds of thousands of innocents in the way. Ruthless, cruel, and terrifying even to his own minions, Mashtooth stands out in this relatively lighthearted game as a tyrant who would stop at nothing, just to satiate his lust for power.
• Modern Combat series, by Gameloft:
  • Dobrynya Popovich first appears in the second game, "Black Pegasus", and is the Big Bad of "Fallen Nation", the third game. Originally just a low-ranking officer for a terrorist organization, Popovich used his position to organize numerous terrorist attacks and sentence numerous American soldiers to be brutally tortured for information. Founding the KPR (Korean, Pakistan, Russian) Alliance, Popovich kick-starts Operation Fallen Nation, a full-scale invasion of American soil by the KPR, by setting off WMDs in numerous highly-populated cities. Next beginning to lay siege to many American cities, killing tens of thousands of innocents across the country, Popovich simultaneously captured and tortures numerous U.S. military agents. After failing to wipe out America's entire Western seaboard, Popovich reveals his plans to launch several nuclear weapons at America, hoping to kill countless millions and reduce America to a ravaged wasteland. When confronted by Magnus Downs, a soldier he once sentenced to torture years back, Popovich gleefully reminisces about Downs's torture before attempting to beat him to death, proclaiming that he will target Downs's hometown next, while expressing his annoyance at not having more time to skin Downs alive.
  • "The Zealot", Edward Page, is an absolutely deranged madman convinced that America is a cesspool of filth and elitist "pigs", and is determined to wipe it off the face of the Earth no matter the cost. Once a Green Beret, Page turned on America and became a terrorist, having a huge part in Operation Fallen Nation, using his forces to back the KPR's evil plans to siege America. Taking center stage in the fourth game, "Zero Hour", as the main threat, Page kicks the game off by slaughtering his way into Seattle's War Crimes Investigation Building, soon after which he massacres a huge party hosted for the President of the United States before kidnapping the President himself. Having absolute indifference toward his own troops, Page leaves them to die, blows several up to stall enemy forces, and even threatens one of his hesitant partners by promising to show up at his young daughter's birthday party with a blowtorch. Page's horrifying final plan is revealed to entail unleashing a lethal plague onto the planet that will kill upwards of 4 billion innocents as part of Page's plan to "cleanse" the entire planet, and, even when beaten, Page uses his last breaths to gun down as many American soldiers as possible.
• Pilgrim (by Kona5): Alice is a resident of the Other World who had accumulated her wealth by reaping the souls of her victims and selling them to the highest bidder. Alice sets her eyes on the young Inago saying that in return for dealing with Akemi's bullies, she would return to collect Inago's soul in two years. Despite Inago's insistence to not harm the bullies, Alice gruesomely murders the three bullies and sentences the ringleader to eternal torture in a parallel world. When Akemi confronts Alice on the whereabouts of her sister, Alice engages her in a card game saying that if she won, she would be permitted to see her sister; if not, Alice would claim her soul as well. Whilst exploring, Akemi uncovers a diary belonging to a young girl, heavily implying that Alice murdered the girl and took her body after she granted her wish. Alice enacts another game which ends with Akemi taking Inago's place as her victim. A sadist who drags out the suffering of her victims for as long as she can, Alice saw everyone around her as expendable.
• Shadowgun (by Madfinger Games): Dr. Edgar Simon is an insane scientist convinced of his own godlike superiority above all else. Originally hired by Toltech Enterprises to experiment on the indigenous life of the planet Eve, Simon captured and butchered nearly the entire populace of Eve, using their body parts and organs to craft himself an army of mutated monstrosities. After betraying Toltech and striking out on his own, Simon murders dozens of his fellow scientists, using them in his experiments, and, when Toltech hires the Shadowgun John Slade to capture Simon for them, Simon strands Slade on Eve before testing his armies of mutated soldiers on him, promising that, once Slade is dead, he will harvest his body parts to further enhance his "research".
• Shovel Knight: The Enchantress, in the Specter of Torment prequel DLC, blackmails Specter Knight into working for her; turns Reize Brainwashed and Crazy to replace an exposition Mook; forces the Order of No Quarter to work for her under threat of death; later on transforms Reize into an Eldritch Abomination phantom form in which he is clearly in great pain; and actively kills civilians and innocent people to depopulate a village. All she wishes for is to Take Over the World, starting with the Valley and expanding her rule, using the Order and her minions as tools in a machine, and in the main game using Shield Knight as a vessel. Pure, unadulterated evil, with no remorse ever shown for her vile actions, the Enchantress very much stands out compared to the rest of the lighthearted or even tragic villains in the game.
• The Heaven Cycle:
  • From Heaven's Door: Ashton "Ash" Sharpe is a despicable and depraved beast of a man defined by his thrill-seeking nature. A low-functioning sociopath with a constant craving for stimulation and a seeming inability to feel empathy, Ash has been a vicious bully all of his life, having tortured animals and maimed his classmates throughout his childhood. Having joined up with Red Clover alongside his partner Chayne Summers in adulthood, Ash becomes one of the top scientists of the P.A.R.A.D.I.S.E. experiments, using his influence to torment and abuse the 100 test subjects as he pleases. Ash's worst treatment of a patient came when he brutally raped and tortured the teenage girl Tango, leaving her mute and unable to use her right arm ever again. His treatment of his own compatriots being no better, Ash smacks his troops for questioning him, beats one seemingly to death when prisoners escape, and unleashes the forces of Heaven onto his fellow scientists and all of the test subjects to be ripped to shreds when he and Chayne take over Red Clover. Throughout the story, Ash has happily become addicted to the godlike sensations that come from contact with Heaven, leading his mind to slowly become more impulsive and unstable, ultimately resulting in him making a plan alongside Chayne to unleash Heaven onto the Earth to wipe out humanity before the duo become gods, after which Ash plans to kill Chayne herself, all because everyone else is ruining his "perfect universe". His crimes only increase in the prequel story Before Heaven. Ash is revealed to have conceived a son, likely by one of his many acts of rape, whom he horrifically abuses with irons, knives, and his fists, even boasting to have "fucked" the child. Ash was a hedonistic monster who cared not for anyone or anything but how much fun he could get out of a situation, even if it meant dooming the entire Earth just to get his ultimate "high".
  • The Touch of Heaven: Alison "Alice" Witzenberg is a cold, amoral sociopath with a sick fascination with hurting others. Originally signing up for the P.A.R.A.D.I.S.E. Project just for the fun and fortune it would bring them, Alice took to manipulating the teenager Jackson into becoming their "sidekick", and, when Jackson discovers the truth, Alice first poisons him, then tries to strangle him to death with a smile on their face. Returning after overpowering their new personality of Mint, Alice immediately sets a hospital aflame, killing more than a dozen people, to serve as a distraction before approaching then manipulating the mentally unstable Jango into leading a full-scale slaughter against the city of Haven. Alice's final plan is to have Haven's thousands of residents murdered before unleashing the forces of Hell onto the city, which will lead the Association to nuke the entire city and wipe out Jango's entire army as well as any survivors while Alice flees and starts a new life. Fully aware that her machinations will end with the minds of all those killed in the midst of Haven being taken by Hell to be tortured for all eternity, and indeed even cackling at the idea, Alice's final act is a disturbing attempt to trap Tango in their mind for all eternity, forcing her to re-watch her rape and torture at the hands of Ash over and over while Alice personally tortures her until the end of time. With no motive bar a creepy desire for fun and a hatred for anyone who knew their "Mint" persona, Alice stands out as the youngest villain in the story, yet still one of the most wicked.
• Xcalibur:
  • Kwodahn is the demonic mastermind of all evil in the story. Originally a Shogi Monk who turned evil to gain power, Kwodahn began bargaining with potential villains and evildoers to fully back their plans in exchange for their souls. Allying himself with the depraved Prince Bragan, Kwodahn uses every trick up his sleeve to ensure Bragan's rise to power and the elimination of all his foes. Kwodahn's crimes range from granting Bragan armies of demons he uses to slaughter opposing armies, to unleashing a soul-devouring demon onto a province, to later trying to turn an entire city into statue-like zombies. His evil not limited to mass murder and corruption, Kwodahn once sought the sword of Excalibur, and, when the noble Prince Erwann refused his request, Kwodahn first tried to kidnap the man's infant daughter, before settling for murdering his wife for rejecting him. When Bragan is beaten and all their plans ousted, Kwodahn murders Bragan then tries to corrupt and turn the young Arthus into becoming his new servant, before finally flying into a rage and unleashing his forces onto the entire kingdom with orders to kill every living thing they come across.
  • Prince Bragan is the brutal, sociopathic Regent of the kingdom who rose to power thanks to allying with the aforementioned Kwodahn. Murdering his own brother, King Erwann, to ascend to Regent, Bragan immediately begins manipulating his child nephew Arthus into becoming nothing more than a figurehead, while Bragan rules the kingdom with an iron fist. Driving villages to starvation, massacring entire temples, and torturing his foes being regular atrocities of Bragan's, he also frames Prince Edwin and his daughter, Djana, for murdering King Edwin, and constantly tries to execute Djana and her friends in various cruel methods, along with many attempts at slaughtering entire villages they have taken up residence in. Once failing to poison Arthus and claim the throne for himself, Bragan eventually hands Arthus to Kwodahn to with as he pleases, before trying to strike down his partner for ditching him in exchange for Arthus.
• Thawn, from season 16's "The Power of Kroll", is the head of a methane refinery on a satellite to which the native population have already been relocated by human settlers, Thawn's desire to see the operation expand results in him planning genocide against the native Swampies so he can expand onto their settlement. To this end, he pays a gunrunner to supply them with faulty weapons, so they're not actually a threat but he can use the weapons as an excuse to slaughter them and then claim self-defense. When his plans get disrupted by the arrival of swamp monster Kroll, he laughs in delight at the prospect of Kroll wiping out the Swampies during an attack on their village, a moment that has even his crew looking at him with disgust. He then decides to take advantage of the situation by launching a bombardment against Kroll, which will also wipe out the Swampies as "collateral damage". He talks about the Swampies as though they're mere animals rather than the sentient people they clearly are, outright stating that his Swampie servant doesn't count as a person. When one of his crew objects and tries to stop the bombardment, Thawn shoots him in the back. Thawn is planning to wipe out an entire race simply for commercial reasons.

• Conan the Adventurer:
  • Wrath-Amon functions as the main villain for much of the show. Once a mere reptile transformed into a Serpent Man with a human form, Wrath-Amon overthrew his maker Ram-Amon and took his place as the High Priest and chief agent of the Serpent God Set. Gathering the mineral known as Star Metal to facilitate Set's arrival, Wrath-Amon turns Conan's parents into living stone when they resist him and spends much of the series conducting multiple atrocities. Regularly attempting to destroy populated cities, Wrath-Amon's right-hand-man Windfang is a man Wrath-Amon once tortured into becoming a lizard-like creature. When he discovers Windfang keeps mementos of his human life, Wrath-Amon spitefully destroys them, and even unleashes a demon known as the Stealer of Souls on the populace to kill Conan. In the finale, Wrath-Amon attempts to summon Set and a look into a Bad Future reveals that should they win, most of humanity will be annihilated with the survivors kept as food and slaves.
  • The aforementioned Set himself, the true Big Bad of the series, is a monstrous serpent god who seeks to escape the Abyss and dominate all that lives. Regularly empowering Wrath-Amon to conduct his more brutal actions and the razing of entire cities, Set arrives on earth in the finale and seeks to create his new regime on earth to reduce humanity to slaves or food. When Conan and friends resist, Set orders them bound so he may slowly devour them as a message to what happens to those who defy him.
  • Baron Shato, from season 1's "Conan the Gladiator", is the ruler of a kingdom of cannibals. Known and feared for his knack of using captured prisoners as food for himself and his soldiers, the streets of Shato's city are littered with countless bones of victims over the years, while his kitchens are filled with dozens of skulls. Once he captures Conan and his friends, Zula and Jezmine, Shato forces them to fight in his Gladiator Games against starved animals and mechanical monstrosities, after which he forces them all to fight each other. Once Jezmine wins the duel, Shato claims to return Conan and Zula to their quarters, when in reality, he plans to boil them alive and then devour them, all while planning to make Jezmine his consort and become a high-ranking member of Wrath-Amon's power base.
  • The Master of the Black Circle, from season 2's "In Days of Old", is a youth-obsessed sociopath who uses Black Magic to lure in unsuspecting travelers, then drain them of their youth, inevitably leading to their deaths. Storing their youth in bottles, with him possessing dozens of such bottles and victims, the Master performs the same on Conan's companion Greywolf when he comes seeking the Master's assistance, and after capturing Jezmine, the Master attempts to force her to be his love before trying to murder Conan and Greywolf one last time.

edited 30th May '17 3:39:25 AM by ACW

the image, Gavrok, unsure on the other Who baddy.

Sounds like Dan should definitely be cut. Not sure on the new Doctor Who villains.

The Lich issue got all the more confusing when he got reborn into baby Sweet Pea, so now the being who was once the Lich is now a new individual while the Lich still exists inside said individual as it's own entity like a Dark Marik, Angelus, or Madder Red situation. So I agree we ought to wait 'til his arc is done before any re-evaluation.

Black Fairy, Tate, Finch

I mentioned the deal with Malcolm and Fiona before but it bears repeating - Malcolm of the past /=/ Peter Pan. It was that way in the character's third season arc and it's still that way now. Malcolm wasn't a very good man at all, but he was still human - he did love his wife and at first wanted to love their child, and then when he came to resent the child he still showed signs of remorse for not being a good father to him. But in becoming Pan, he literally traded away his humanity for eternal youth and became a demon who lost all the humanizing, semi-redeeming qualities he'd once had. The biggest sign of this is how in Neverland, in Storybrooke, and in the Underworld, Pan and Rumple had some dramatic confrontations where Pan had plenty of opportunities to bring up his love for Fiona and how he'd lost her and blamed Rumple for it, but she never came up once. Out of universe it's because the deal with Rumple's mother hadn't been created yet, but in-universe it suggests that Pan literally does not remember who Fiona was to him and it does not even matter to him. He'd forgotten all about the one person he used to love and now cared only about himself. Which is why Pan isn't getting cut.

Basically, what Beast said was correct. Pan and Jafar only ever loved one person in the past tense, but those people and the love they had for them aren't even a blip on their radars in the present day.

edited 28th May '17 1:20:40 PM by ANewMan

Oswald and the Doctor Who duo

Fiona

I would like to suggest a C.M.:

The work: Five Nights at Freddy's: The Musical is a series of videos produced by the online production studio Random Encounters. Random Encounters specializes in musical series and videos (usually comedic) based on video games. Five Nights at Freddy's: The Musical is a comedic satire of the Five Nights video game franchise, featuring all of the animatronics portrayed by hand puppets and featuring You Tube stars Markiplier, Nate Wants To Battle, and Mat Pat. The animatronics are heroic in this version.

The villain: The surprise, true main antagonist of Five Nights at Freddy's: The Musical is the Phone Guy. In the games, he is an unseen hero. However, in this version, he is a psychopathic trickster and manipulator that wants to see the heroes dead for no real reason other than to satisfy his sick bloodlust. He is sadistic and remorseless.

His actions: Phone Guy starts off as the unassuming voice over the telephone (like in the games), simply explaining the job to new employee Markiplier. After a mishap gets Mark arrested, Phone Guy calls old employee Nate Wants To Battle back to the job. Nate agrees, and ends up teaming up with the animatronics to stop the evil Springtrap and fight through several obstacles and hardships. Getting Mark's help, the group defeat Springtrap and discover the one controlling him: an employee named A.J. A.J. apologizes, and is quickly forgiven.

However, right after everyone makes peace, Phone Guy hacks the controls of the doors and the Phone and reveals that, the whole time, he was purposefully manipulating the actions of A.J., Mark, Nate, and the animatronics, as well as controlling the various obstacles and hardships, so that tensions would rise and all of them would eventually turn on and kill each other, and Phone Guy could watch. However, with his plans foiled, Phone Guy decides to kill them himself and bursts through the wall of the office with a chainsaw/flamethrower hybrid he designed. He uses it to brutally murder A.J., then come after the heroes. Freddy Fazbear stands up to him, but Phone Guy simply kicks him away. He taunts the heroes, then readies his chainsaw. However, Mark releases a captured Springtrap, who lashes out in feral rage and attacks Phone Guy. Phone Guy decapitates Springtrap and tries to go after the others, but Springtrap's headless body attacks him and causes his flamethrower to go off, setting the restaurant on fire. The heroes escape, and Phone Guy and Springtrap are lost in the flames.

Later, Nate gets a phone call from Phone Guy, who escaped the fire. The police found some surviving security camera footage incriminating him, and placed him in jail. Phone Guy got to make one last call and decided to call Nate, telling him that he was going to do everything in his power to find him and kill him. Nate hangs up, and Phone Guy is left in prison.

Mitigating factors/Freudian excuses: Compared to other major Complete Monsters, Phone Guy's actions could be considered minor. He commits murder, arson, kidnapping, assault, conspiracy, attempted murder, destruction of public property, and menace, which are standard for Complete Monsters, but are more extreme in Phone Guy's case due to the very low heinous standard.

Also, while the character is sadistic and bloodthirsty, he is played by Youtuber Matthew Patrick, also known as Mat Pat, from Game Theory. Though he plays the character very seriously and with a lot of scary moments, it could be considered slightly humorous seeing this popular and usually comedic actor in such a serious role.

Heinous standard: Five Nights at Freddy's: The Musical is very lighthearted comedy musical series. The main heroes are very good-natured, and the animatronics are funny and eccentric. The two other villains, Springtrap and A.J., are fitting with the tone, with Springtrap being more animalistic and single minded, and A.J. being an actually kind and upbeat person who made bad choices. There is the occasional reference to the dark games the series is based on (such as some lyrics about fear, violence, and tragedy), but these are simply passing references for fans.

I would strongly recommend going and watching the supercut of the videos, as it will not only be entertaining but provide a clearer illustration of the villain and the work.

edited 28th May '17 2:03:49 PM by SumDumNerd

Saw Dead Men Tell No Tales. It was really good! Third best behind At World's End and the first one! A little rushed and dumb at times, but effective nonetheless! I teared up a little at the end!

Excited for the discussion on 6/9! Can't wait! PM me to talk about it now!

edited 28th May '17 1:41:22 PM by futuremoviewriter

No to him. Doesn't sound anywhere near heinous enough and I seriously doubt that sort of setting is even conducive for a true CM in general.

edited 28th May '17 1:40:28 PM by Scraggle

Oswald and the two doctor who candidates

More people should be casting a vote on Oswald. Someone did take the time to propose him, guys.

Yea to Oswald. Easily above the Goosebumps standard. Yes to the doctor Who and cut Kuroto Dan.

Like Scraggle said...not seeing it for phone guy, either.

to Oswald. to the phone guy.

Leaning yes on Oswald, but leaning slightly no on Morgus. Unsure if this is a case where he has few resources so can count, or if it's like Van Zant where he has few resources, but the heinous standard's so damn high that he can't count.

Another Goosebumps candidate? Sure, Oswald sounds like he counts.

Also, in between watching 1980s cop shows for potential qualifiers I happened to come across this interesting bit on a related YMMV page.

• Complete Monster:
  • The Masked Mutant, obviously. He plans on converting the entire real world into a comic book, which appears to leave humans as two-dimensional drawings. He has no qualms against destroying the Kid Hero.
  • Pinky Flamingo. He can erase characters and objects out of existence, gleefully doing so. Twice, he incapacitates the Galloping Gazelle, and tried to drown the protagonist in slowsand.
  • The Wicked Wartlock. He kills a Toadie after he accidentally drops a single fruit.

This is from Attack of the Mutant, a 1990s videogame based on Goosebumps. Never having played it, don't have a clue if any of these count. From the sounds of it, not really. I'm a bit skeptical that even the Masked Mutant's Evil Plan is as much of an And I Must Scream fate as the entry claims.

edited 28th May '17 2:05:43 PM by Morgenthaler

Oswald Manse and The Phone Guy.

Thanks for the Thawn write-up. I did toy with an Even Evil Has Standards link but the thing that sways me against it is that Thawn's crew aren't really evil (the whole thing with the gunrunner is actually done without their knowledge). It's probably more of a Heel Realisation, a disgusted moment of "That's who we're working for?"

As for Morgus...thinking about it, he's probably close to John Lumic in terms of resources, someone who's obviously rich and powerful, has the ear of the president and a lot of influence if no formal political power, but still has to do most of his scheming in secret because he's not actually above the law.

Sure, Oswald sounds like a yes.

Oswald came up before, I believe. Nothing came of him. I'll give a yea for now to him. Yes to Gavrok, yes to Morgus.

I changed that pothole. And if that's the case, I'm willing to be persuaded otherwise, but for now I think I'm voting no. I mean, Lumic had many murders and inflicted And I Must Scream, and even then he's probably at the lower end of Whoniverse heinousness (hell, were he proposed today, I might even vote no on him).

edited 28th May '17 2:26:49 PM by ACW