Complete Monster Cleanup

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Bull: If those are the page quotes, then yeah, they can be removed from the main quotes page.

Quick question about 616!Annihlus, is there a reason he's specifically listed only for the Annihilation event despite being a recurring villain in the Marvel Universe?

Edited by Powermaster201 on Jun 3rd 2023 at 10:22:29 AM

I think it's because all of his worst actions that allowed him to qualify and are mentioned in the write-up happened during that event.

Yeah, prior to that event he wasn't really treated as a major threat at all, and subsequent to it, I think there's been a sort of continuity back-and-forth over whether he's even still around. (Annihilus was killed in the climax of Annihilation and reborn from the last survivor of his hive queens in its epilogue, but whether the new Annihilus is the same entity or more like his reincarnation/son seems to be Depending on the Writer, IIRC).

Edited by nrjxll on Jun 3rd 2023 at 12:16:37 PM

Alright, I talked to Ravok about this, and with Mother Brain going up soon, Ridley's writeup needs a small tweak. Current:

• Ridley, the "Cunning God of Death", is a bestial Space Pirate and the most recurring, hated foe of Samus Aran. Far smarter than his appearance suggests and brimming with sadism, Ridley leads the Space Pirates alongside Mother Brain in regularly organizing devastating raids across the galaxy, one such raid resulting in him annihilating Samus's colony and personally killing her parents. Ridley works with Mother Brain to enslave the Metroid race as a bioweapon that can be used to wipe out entire planets, hoping to upheave galactic civilization and institute the Pirates as the reigning power, and he further oversees the Pirates' Phazon mining operation and the horrifying experiments it is used for. When Ridley learns that Samus has wiped out all but one baby Metroid, he kidnaps the baby after slaughtering the entire Ceres Colony and hands said baby over to Mother Brain to be experimented on and reproduced into a destructive army. Regularly defying death to return more powerful than ever, Ridley's apparent final death didn't stop him from returning in the form of a clone that has continued to plague Samus and harm her loved ones, his genetic code being so full of evil and hatred that his clone's number one objective is to make Samus suffer.

Revised, plus a header:

• The head of the Space Pirates and another of its top leaders have squared off against Samus Aran throughout multiple games:
  • Mother Brain
  • Ridley, the "Cunning God of Death", is a bestial Space Pirate and Samus's most recurring, hated foe. Far smarter than his appearance suggests and brimming with sadism, Ridley leads the alongside Mother Brain in regularly organizing devastating raids across the galaxy, one such raid resulting in him annihilating Samus's colony and personally killing her parents. Ridley works with Mother Brain to enslave the Metroid race as a bioweapon that can be used to wipe out entire planets, hoping to upheave galactic civilization and institute the Pirates as the reigning power, and he further oversees the Pirates' Phazon mining operation and the horrifying experiments it is used for. When Ridley learns that Samus has wiped out all but one baby Metroid, he kidnaps the baby after slaughtering the entire Ceres Colony and hands said baby over to Mother Brain to be experimented on and reproduced into a destructive army. Regularly defying death to return more powerful than ever, Ridley's apparent final death didn't stop him from returning in the form of a clone that has continued to plague Samus and harm her loved ones, his genetic code being so full of evil and hatred that his clone's number one objective is to make Samus suffer.

For those wondering, yes, I have plans to check out Manga!TP!Ganondorf for this, too. Even if the manga itself was released after Skyward, it's still sketchily canon and based on a game released before Skyward, so I'll be giving him a thorough check.

• Turnabout Sisters: Redd White is the flamboyantly narcissistic CEO of Bluecorp, a company that specializes in "buying and selling information"—which translates to the systemic blackmail of hundreds. Redd White holds the lives of hundreds of people in his sway with his industrial blackmail, such as the Fey clan, whom he ruined by exposing their part in the DL-6 investigation, and Marvin Grossberg, whom he's turned into his tormented stooge for 15 years by threatening to leave him to the police for his role in the DL-6 catastrophe. Redd has ruined so many lives he's driven a sizable amount of people to suicide, to the point it takes up the largest space in the evidence folder Mia Fey compiled against him. Redd personally murdered Mia because of this because of this, attempting to frame her younger sister Maya for it. When Phoenix Wright comes onto the case, Redd attempts to frame Phoenix for Mia's murder.
• Investigations 2: Blaise Debeste is the Chairman of the Prosecutorial Investigation Committee—P.I.C.—whose cruel nature has led to the corruption of the justice system. A self-proclaimed sadist and bully, Blaise's greatest joy has always been ruining lives with his prosecution tactics, boasting that he has sent hundreds of people to life imprisonment after pretending he would offer them a plea bargain. Blaise has fabricated evidence, faked autopsies, and framed innocents for decades, abusing the prosecution system so freely that he hosts Black Market auctions of important evidence. Blaise is the one who drove Manfred von Karma to murder by tricking him into using a fake autopsy to send an innocent man to prison, only to then penalize The Perfectionist von Karma for fun. A dreadful father to his son Sebastian, Blaise has abused the boy for years and tried to mold him into a perfect prosecutor, and responds to Sebastian's repeated failures by bullying him into a total breakdown. Having helped murder the President of Zheng Fa to empower his body double to take his place, Blaise also helps murder reporter Jack Cameron to cover it up, and later kills Cameron's girlfriend when she comes seeking revenge. Blaise then tries to frame an amnesiac Kay Faraday for the killing, and when he is eventually exposed for his many crimes, Blaise tries to kidnap the judge's son and threaten him with death to get away scot-free.
• The Great Ace Attorney Chronicles' The Adventure of the Great Departure & The Adventure of the Blossoming Attorney: "Jezaille Brett", real name Asa Shinn, is in truth a sadistically xenophobic assassin sent by the justice system of Britain, one of the most important members of the main conspiracy in the game, and the most despicable of them for lacking any of the good intentions of her co-conspirators. Already known as an assassin in the dark corners of London, Brett was hired by Mael Stronghart to assassinate every person who escaped the guilty verdict from the cases of Barok van Zieks, with a total of 16 victims killed in numerous "accidents", effectively being the one who made him into "The Reaper of The Bailey". Later on, Brett would be sent to Japan under a fake identity to be a student of John Wilson, only for her to assassinate him with an agonizing, undiscovered poison, and later shooting the corpse for Ryunosuke Naruhodo to take the fall. When Brett was pulled to the trial of the murder, she would make racist remarks against the Japanese throughout the trial, and at one point, break an important piece of evidence just to laugh about her untouchable superiourity. Taking pleasure in the pain of others, including those of her own ethnicity, Asa demonstrates how low the British could go in terms of hating other races.
• Farewell, My Turnabout: Matt Engarde shows himself to be far worse than his already-loathsome original incarnation. A famous idol-turned-television star with a bitter hatred for fellow actor Juan Corrida, a few years ago, Matt had set about to ruin Juan's life by tricking Juan's fiancée Celeste Impax into getting raped, ruining her reputation with the public and convincing her to commit suicide. Having Juan killed years later to cover up his impact on Celeste, Matt plans to blackmail his own assassin Shelly de Killer in an attempt to hold one over him, while having him threaten the life of Maya Fey if Phoenix Wright doesn't acquit him of Juan's murder and declare his manager, Adrian Andrews, the culprit.
• GT: Dr. Myuu was apparently a brilliant scientist and native of Planet M-2. Deciding the M-2 natives were an inferior species, Myuu proceeded to wipe them out and replace them with Machine Mutants he created as the dominant species. Intending to spread his influence even further, Myuu intended to finish his ultimate Machine Mutant creation, Baby, and use him to subjugate the galaxy. To acquire enough energy for Baby, Myuu created a cult centering around the worship of his fake god creation, Luud, then having having pilgrims who came to worship be turned into dolls and absorbed by Luud, while executing his loyal minion Dolltaki. Noticing the powerful Saiyans, Myuu desires to capture them so he could perform experimental "reconstructive surgery" upon them that involves dissection of still-living subjects. In spite of Myuu being revealed to be programmed by Baby himself, Myuu shows full agency as he continues his genocidal plans long after Baby's influence has ended. Myuu would later return from Hell, in league with Dr. Gero, with their newest Machine Mutant creation, Super 17. Betraying Gero for being too limited in ambition, Myuu intended to use 17 to resume his galactic conquest.
• Gracos is a Sea Demon who attacked an island that worshipped the Four Great Spirits by submerging it underwater, almost drowning everyone in it. Gracos later cursed the spirits of his victims to be trapped in his dungeons, unable to go to the afterlife, where Gracos torments them for his enjoyment. Later, Gracos tries to do the same to Wetlock. When confronted by the heroes, Gracos summons the spirits and give them the false promise of releasing them should they kill the heroes, despite him never planning on doing so. When defeated by the heroes, Gracos attempts to trap the heroes in his dungeon out of spite.
• Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII's English dub: The cruel perfectionist Bhunivelze lacks any potential redeeming qualities. The Greater-Scope Villain of the trilogy, Bhunivelze takes centre stage in the finale seeking to create a New World for humanity to inhabit as his puppets. To this end, Bhunivelze cut out Lightning's emotions and tortured and tormented Hope until his mind broke, reverting him to a teenage body to better manipulate Lightning. Using Vanille as a medium to commune with and summon the souls of the dead, Bhunivelze seeks to sacrifice her to initiate the Soulsong to destroy these souls, which in turn will erase the memories of the dead from the still living whom he can then mould them as he sees fit. Bhunivelze also plans to force Lightning to become the new Goddess of Death to ensure balance in his new world, and when Lightning manages to defy him, he is so enraged he almost destroys the New World and all of humanity with it.
• Ebirah, Horror of the Deep: The Red Bamboo's unnamed Commander and his second-in-command, Captain Ryuui, run the terror cells operations on Letchi Island, developing nuclear weapons for their cause. To this end, they've taken the people of Infant Island into slavery, with Ryuui as their smug warden. When their operations create the sea monster Ebirah, they utilize Ebirah to sink outsider ships, and keep their captives from escaping. Ryuui is introduced having several escaped slaves gunned down, letting two go to be devoured by Ebirah, using this as a demonstration for the new slaves. When Godzilla rampages against them, the Commander and Ryuui order the nuclear detonation of the island, leaving their slaves and captives to die as they try to escape.
• Tears of the Kingdom: Demon King Ganondorf was once a brutal Gerudo warlord who sought to conquer Hyrule during the kingdom's founding days. Desiring the power of the Zonai Secret Stones, Ganondorf murders Queen Sonia after swearing false fealty to King Rauru, and steals her Secret Stone to transform himself into the Demon King. With his newfound powers, Ganondorf creates an army of demons and monsters to sweep over Hyrule and kill all who would oppose him, including his own people, in the cataclysmic Imprisoning War until he is sealed away for eons by Rauru. In that timespan, Ganondorf's malice manages to leak through the seal, creating Calamity Ganon, a primal force of evil that brought destruction upon Hyrule for countless generations, with the last one bringing the kingdom's collapse. After freeing himself in the present day, Ganondorf resumes his destructive campaign by unleashing monsters, saboteurs, and natural disasters upon the races of Hyrule, promising to finish what he had started. Faced with defeat by Link and the Sages, Ganondorf swallows his Secret Stone to become the Demon Dragon, sacrificing his mind and body for the power to destroy Link and plunge Hyrule into the "eternal night" of destruction and despair. A narcissistic, sociopathic monster of a man, lacking the redeeming or tragic qualities his incarnations often have, Ganondorf believes himself to be superior to everyone else and thus deserves to rule Hyrule as he sees fit.
• "Bunkies": Eric Hoffman, a senior guard at LA County Woman's prison, despite appearing simply a smarmy, misogynistic creep, is truthfully corrupt to the core. Posing as a supportive figure, Hoffman targets vulnerable prisoners, offering to smuggle them all manner of contraband in particular drugs. Waiting until they're indebted to him, at which point Hoffman forces them have sex with him, Hoffman regularly raped well over a dozen victims, having deliberately gotten them addicted so they were forced to keep coming back. Silencing the one victim who tried to expose him by planting drugs in her cell, Hoffman also intimidated his subordinate guard into silence, ensuring no would interfere with him making the prison into "his own personal pick and mix bar".
• Kämpfer manga: The dominant personality of Sakura Kaede is the Moderator of the Kampfer fights that caused the deaths of many teenage girls. Initially a little girl who found a mysterious statue, Sakura accepted the alien Moderators' offer to use teenage girls in a proxy war and uses a kind alter ego in Seitetsu High School who would become one of the popular girls. There, Sakura would use her unaware other self to find potential Kampfer—usually among her "friends"—and force them into lethal fights that would end with the victims being erased from the memories of others. When Shizuku creates a alliance with other Kampfers, Sakura considers her a threat and brainwashes protagonist Natsuru to make him have sex with Shizuku or make him promise to kill Shizuku in exchange for sex, failing only because the intervention of Natsuru's friends. Leading the heroines to her secret base, Sakura decides to kill all the Kampfer to start again with new girls and shoots one of her loyal White Kampfer, admitting that she considers Kampfer to be mere pawns in "her story".
• Jurassic League:
  • Darkyloseid is an Ankylosaurus version of Darkseid, and is just as bad as usual. In the form of The Dark Embryo, Darkyloseid traveled to many planets to consume their populations before destroying them, only sparing the strongest beings to force them to serve him. Upon arriving on Earth, the Dark Embryo has his generals bring him countless humans in order to consume their life energy as well. After his generals failed to defeat a group of superheroes, the Dark Embryo consumes Blackmantasaurus and Reverse-Slash, allowing him to hatch as its true form. Darkyloseid then starts his annihilation of Earth by attacking the island of Trimyscira, killing several of the inhabitants. When confronted by the Jurassic League, Darkyloseid decides to devour his own horde of warriors, including Jokerzard, to gain the strength to crush them all.
  • Jokerzard, a Dilophosaurus version of the Joker, is a Serial Killer infamous for his tendency to kill for pleasure. Years ago, Jokerzard brutally murdered the parents of the young Bat-Walker in front of him, traumatizing the latter for life. At some point, Jokerzard agreed to serve the cruel alien Darkyloseid, knowing full well that he plans to wipe out all life on Earth once he hatches as his true form. Jokerzard gleefully brings him many captured humans and dinosaurs to consume, including the family of Bat-Walker's sidekick, while keeping their bones as trophies. After the hatching of Daryloseid, Jokerzard rallies his horde of warriors and leads them to attack the tribe of Metraaaghpolis. When Bat-Walker comes to confront him, Jokerzard cruelly taunts him by telling him how much he enjoyed killing his parents before trying to kill him once and for all.
• Puella Magi Madoka Magica fanfic Resonance Days' Etherdale Arc: Lily the Fairy is a witch with a potent ability to brainwash anyone into becoming a perfectly loyal and obedient follower with nothing more than a week of casual conversation. Lily has used this ability to build a following over a thousand strong, and makes her living as a leecher, kidnapping the wild witches of Etherdale to drain them of soul vapors for drugs, let them heal, then drain them again in an eternal vicious cycle, making sure to keep them just hopeful enough to stay insane and not become Empty Shells. She is opposed by the Wayhouse, a humanitarian organization, and she happily turns any of its agents into her unwilling servants, making them smile while committing the most inhuman, vile crimes imagineable, and intending on turning the wayhouse into a pile of burning rubble to stop them from helping the girls she uses as livestock. When the heroes arrive at her compound, Lily subtly brainwashes them same as she has done with everyone else, making Mami and Charlotte unknowing enforcers of her evil, and convincing Kyoko and Oktavia to go against everything they believe in and hand themselves over to the void walkers.
• Phoenix Wright work Turnabout Musical (2016 version):
  • Redd White is the same smarmy CEO of Bluecorp who uses his information company to blackmail hundreds. A smug, controlling businessman who has the entire country in the palm of his hand, White threatens politicians, policemen, and lawyers with exposing their secrets if they don't follow his orders. With his ego resulting in the suicides of hundreds whose lives he's ruined, to which he remains apathetic towards, White had many years ago launched a smear campaign against the police in order to get attorney Marvin Grossberg to serve him lest he reveal his involvement in the failed DL-6 case, which also ruined the lives of the entire Fey clan. With Mia Fey planning to reveal his corruption to the press, White personally kills her and attempts to frame Mia's sister Maya and Phoenix Wright himself for the murder.
  • Manfred von Karma is the same monster he is in the game, but manages to be even crueler. For years, von Karma has been working as a prosecutor, using underhanded tactics to maintain his perfect winning streak, not caring if the defendants are guilty or not. When defense attorney Gregory Edgeworth ruins his perfect record, Manfred murders him. Manfred then adopts Edgeworth's son Miles and raises him to be as ruthless a prosecutor as he is. Von Karma then manipulates a man whose life was ruined by Gregory's murder into committing murder and framing Edgeworth. Manfred later attacks Phoenix Wright and Maya Fey with a stun gun in order to steal evidence, gleefully shocking Phoenix several times after he's knocked out. When Edgeworth is found innocent, von Karma tries to get him executed for Gregory's murder, before attempting to kill him himself.
• Old World of Darkness (primarily Hunter: The Reckoning) fan Web Animation Hunter: The Parenting: Pyotr is the Nosferatu leader of the Licks. Though initially appearing just as comical as his comrades, he reveals a selfish and sadistic streak none of them can match. A proud supporter of the Sabbat—for whom he was a collaborator even before he was turned—Pyotr views humans as little more than livestock and has no qualms about murdering civilians who stumble onto his lair. Upon being captured by the hunters, Pyotr seizes a chance to devour his allies for power, going out of his way to brutalize them in the process to make clear he doesn't care for them any more than the humans. With his newfound strength, Pyotr breaks out of captivity and begins hunting the family throughout their home. Though now strong enough to overpower them easily, he treats it like a game and drags things out just to hurt and frighten them more. Though his own temper leads to his downfall when he's baited onto a minefield and left to burn in the morning sun, Pyotr sets the stage for just how violent and cruel the Sabbat can be.
• Arc of a Scythe series: Curate Mendoza is an ambitious, manipulative Tone Cult curate who wishes to use Greyson Tolliver's position as "The Toll" to control all Tone Cults worldwide. Tiring of his failure to control Greyson, Mendoza convinces a violent cult to kill Scythe Tenkamenin, with the resulting attack leaving countless innocents and cultists dead. Mendoza is uncaring when Greyson has the cult's curate killed for the attack and tries to manipulate him further. When Scythe Goddard order the genocide of the Tone Cults, Mendoza tries to start a war with the Scythedom, which Greyson banishes him for. Mendoza then goes to Goddard and convinces him to spare some cultist and kill Greyson so Mendoza can take over the cults and enact more brutal attacks on Goddard's rivals and help the vicious Scythe expand his bloody reign.
• Dracula Untold Blu-ray version: Mehmed II, Sultan of the Ottoman Empire, inherits a dark legacy of conquest and cruelty with brutal enthusiasm. Demanding 1000 Wallachian boys to become Janissaries in his armies, he then demands the son of Prince Vlad when Vlad offers himself in place of the children. Upon refusal, Mehmed rides through Wallachia, slaughtering every village he finds and abducting the boys to become his abused soldiers. Upon fooling Vlad, Mehmed proceeds to butcher almost everyone Vlad has ever known upon breaching the fortress, while kidnapping Vlad's son to join his army.
• The Mother: Hector Alvarez and Adrian Lovell are, respectively, an Arms Dealer and former SAS agent introduced to one another via their mutual lover, "the Mother". Allying to distribute arms for money, the two soon realized some clients liked "something extra" and began engaging in mass child sex trafficking for the money. When the pregnant Mother tried to give them up to the FBI, the two slaughtered a group of agents to silence her. Years later, the two mastermind a kidnapping of her daughter Zoe to draw her out of hiding, murdering her FBI friend William Cruise with no compunction over killing Zoe as well.
• The Blood Guard trilogy: Evangeline Birk is the supreme head of the Bend Sinister, an organization dedicated to killing the thirty-six Pure souls and bringing about the end times so she and her followers can mold the resulting world into their liking. In her centuries-long endeavor, Birk has orchestrated global catastrophes and even sacrificed the souls of hundreds of her followers to create a mask with which to detect and track down the Pure. In the present, Birk has her followers construct a lightning device with which to kill a Pure, then revive them and repeat the process until the accumulated trauma kills every other Pure around the world, attempting to use the device on 13-year-olds Ronan and Greta.
• The three Ravers, Samahdi, Moksha, and Turiya, are Foul's Co-Dragons who were formerly three human brothers whose sheer evil ascended them of their mortal bodies. Serving their master, the Ravers would massacre countless innocents, including their own troops, while also having a tendency of possessing people. Individually, each Raver has their own depraved crimes under their belt: Samahdi had countless people sacrificed under the pretence they would bring a better world; Moksha infected Covenant with venom to force him to use his power, intending for the ring's might to destroy the world; Turiya had committed the atrocity of wiping out the Giants of Seareach, with them refusing to fight back. Sharing their master's abhorrent sadism, the Ravers committed horrific atrocities to free Lord Foul and ascend to godhood.
• Carrion Comfort: William "Willi" Borden is the most evil user of the Ability in the story, who values his sadistic fun above all else. Once an SS officer named Wilhelm von Borchert, he was the infamous "Oberst" who traumatized Saul Laski by forcing him to commit murder. Borchert ordered the deaths of thousands in World War II, and would regularly host "games" where hundreds of concentration camp prisoners were routinely sacrificed as pawns in a life-size chess board. Upon reinventing himself as Borden, he created an annual game alongside fellow Ability-users that revolved around committing the most heinous actions to gain "points". Borden created serial killers, family annihilators, and terrorists to rack up the most points, and when he gets bored of such small stakes, he tries to take over the Island Club so as to play his "game" using entire countries as pawns in a world-wide war. Borden tortures, rapes, and kills dozens more innocents in his way to achieve his goals, and betrays multiple allies the second it conveniences him to do so.
• City of God: The prison gang leader only known as "Sheriff" stands out as a despicable monster despite not even being affiliated with Lil Zé. Ruling over his unit of the Lemos de Brito penitentiary with an iron fist, the Sheriff has implemented a system of sexual slavery where weaker inmates are made to serve his gang as their "wives". A thuggish Serial Rapist himself, the Sheriff spends years raping and torturing his personal slave for sadistic pleasure.
• Birdman & The Treatment: Ivan Penderecki, the series' only recurring antagonist, is DI Jack Caffery's next door neighbour and an utterly loathsome pedophile. Running a child pornography ring, Ivan partook in the sexual abuse of dozens of young boys and filmed the rapes to sell on to other members. Ivan also abducted Jack’s brother Ewan and rendered the boy brain dead by throwing him across a room when he tried to resist the rape, leaving it to his number two Carl Lamb to murder him. Realizing that Jack was searching for answers, Ivan waged a decades long campaign of mental cruelty against him: pretending to burn Ewan's bones on a bonfire; posting countless taunting letters to him; and even manipulating Jack's mentally ill girlfriend into giving him Ewan's toys so he could set them on fire in front of Jack. Diagnosed with terminal cancer, Ivan decided to send Jack on a wild goose chase for Ewan's body as a final taunt and committed suicide to prevent him from getting any answers.
• The Treatment: Carl Lamb is as equally depraved a member of Ivan Penderecki's pedophile ring as Ivan himself. When Carl was just a teenager, he sold out his own sister to the ring and allowed her to be raped by its members, all whilst taking photos for his own sick pleasure; alongside raping dozens of young boys. Abusing Jack's brother Ewan alongside Ivan, Carl only backed out of killing the boy out of cowardice and, upon realizing that he had been rendered brain dead, decided to exploit him as slave labour. Continuing his depraved abuse by raping him countless times and beating him, Carl decided to use the boy to blackmail Ivan for money.
• Otherland series: Johnny Wulgaru is a Psycho for Hire whose fierce intelligence allows him to commit depraved atrocities such as torture, murder and rape. Used as Felix Jongleur's attack dog, Johnny decides to eclipse his boss's ambitions and use his Psychic Powers to seize control of the Otherland operating system from Felix. To indulge in his sadistic pleasures, Johnny uses his newfound godlike power to rape, torture and massacre the people of Dodge City. Wanting to branch out his carnal sadism further, Johnny then plans to use the resources of Felix's empire to break into the real world and continue his cycle of torture there. Described by a psychologist as "one of the purest examples of a sociopathic personality that he'd ever seen", Johnny Wulgaru would treat innocent lives as mere hedonistic whims.
• "The Curse of Cornelius Sigan": Cornelius Sigan was the most powerful sorcerer in history and managed to discover the secret to immortality, by sealing his soul inside a jewel that was kept in his tomb. After his tomb is robbed by a thief named Cedric, who removes the jewel, Sigan's spirit possesses Cedric's body and with it intends to destroy Camelot. Sigan casts a spell that animates all of the gargoyle statues around Camelot and instructs them to slaughter everyone in Camelot. When discovering Merlin is also a sorcerer, Sigan offers to let Merlin join him, and upon Merlin refusing, Sigan tries to steal Merlin's body for himself.
• "The Roma Woman": Stepan Vorobyov is a crime boss and a leader of a small but brutal gang who frightened the witnesses at his trial into silence and got a much lighter sentence than he deserved. Stepan pretends to be a reformed, respectable man, but never really changes, mentally tormenting his son Andrey. After learning Andrey has a Roma girlfriend, Stepan threatens to burn the entire Roma camp unless he breaks up with her. When Andrey refuses, Stepan makes good on his threat and not only burns down the camp but stands by with his goons and shoots the survivors who try to flee, killing at least 18 people this way. Stepan bribes the government and the police into recording all the deaths as accidental, and Andrey's girlfriend Nina, the only one to escape the massacre, later remarks that Stepan isn't human at all.
• The Dread Dormammu is a recurring threat to the entire universe, with designs on consuming Earth's reality. The ruler of the Dark Dimension, Dormammu has reduced his land to one of evil and chaos, where the only things alive are demons and Mindless Ones enslaved to him. Dormammu makes several attempts to invade Earth, be it by brainwashing superheroes or by turning civilians into Mindless Ones that subsequently turn evermore innocents into them, and he tortures Dr. Strange into submission to swipe the Eye of Agamotto. Dormammu plans to wipe out all life on Earth, then wreak havoc on the rest of the universe until it, too, has become a desolate wasteland to mimic his Dark Dimension.
• The Force Unleashed series:
  • First game: Emperor Palpatine, aka Darth Sidious, is the despotic ruler of the Galactic Empire. Upon discovering that Darth Vader had been training a secret apprentice, Starkiller—born Galen Marek—to overthrow him, Palpatine commands Vader to murder Starkiller to prove his loyalty. Initiating a plan to wipe out all enemies of his Empire, Palpatine, through Vader, manipulates a revived Starkiller into gathering all members of Rebellion in one place. After capturing the Rebels, Palpatine intends to torture information about their allies out of them and then execute them. When Starkiller arrives to save the Rebels and defeats Vader in a duel, Palpatine tries to convince him to kill Vader and become his new apprentice. In the game's non-canon Dark Side ending, where Starkiller kills Vader, Palpatine slaughters most of the rebel leaders, then orders Starkiller to kill the latter's own mentor, Jedi Rahm Kota. When Starkiller refuses, Palpatine responds by torturing him and having Starkiller rebuilt into a cyborg, outright saying that he intends to use Starkiller as a living weapon before casting him aside as soon as he finds someone better.
  • Second game's Endor DLC: Emperor Palpatine learns that Darth Vader cloned Starkiller, but allows the latter to kill hundreds of Rebels and Imperial Forces to stop the rebellion from destroying the second Death Star's shield generator. With the Rebellion crushed, Palpatine kills Vader and sends his forces to kill Starkiller.
• Arena of Valor: Lorion, the Nightmare Incarnate, is a magician who forms the Dark Den, a group only for evil magicians, and gleefully tortures and corrupts people that he notices "potential" within them, under the guise of "training". Fascinated by the corruptive powers of Black Magic, Lorion attempts to capitalize on them for evil purposes, including ruling Athanor for himself. When he is killed by his ex-student D'Arcy, who rejected black magic after seeing its evil, Lorion is immediately reincarnated in a younger body by the Dark Andura Stone, which amplifies his evil thoughts. Lorion then manipulates certain people and events, including turning whole village inhabitants into demonic zombies, to create a miracle that will cause untold death and destruction within Athanor, all the while happily gloating about it in front of his victim and potential witnesses.
• Mobile Legends: Bang Bang: Hanzo, Akuma (Demon) Ninja, was once the brightest of the Shadow clan of Cadia Riverlands' Scarlet Shadow. In his quest to become the ultimate master of ninjutsu, Hanzo fuses himself with the forbidden demon Hanekage and terrorizes the ninjas nearby by killing those who will pursue him due to his crimes, letting the Hanekage devour them to obtain more power for himself. After becoming more powerful by stealing Ame-no-Habakiri and killing Hayabusa's brother along the way—without remembering—Hanzo decides to travel around the Land of Dawn to expand his list of murder victims and potential food for Hanekage.

Brought up the Resident Evil page quote for discussion here. Feel free to give your opinion.

Read back and saw where Light came up. No question his Manga counterpart counts, but I thought the anime version did too, and now I'm not sure. If Anime!Light doesn't count, I'd rather have a "(manga only)" clarifier than leave it open to be assumed.

I disagree. While we can assume the original version counts, we can't assume the anime version does not. A clarification would only take two words, while the lack-thereof is ambiguous, if not misleading.

Edited by ANonagon9 on Jun 4th 2023 at 10:36:10 AM

Its the original source, I do not personally think its necessary for Light.

Looks like you're missing a "Space Pirates" in the bolded section, and IIRC Mother Brain didn't join the Space Pirates until some time after the annihilation of Samus' colony — or was that only in the manga?

x2 I think he does count since from what I heard, he has more redeeming qualities that actually get more and more subverted and his Alas, Poor Villain moment is treated as the protagonists being heroic in a similar way to say, Joffrey Barathreon.

The manga I actually read the other day, and yes, that guy is nasty. Obvious keeper.

I don't think the games make it clear when and where Mother Brain joined the Space Pirates so I think the sentence is fine in that regard, but yes it does need to have "Space Pirates" in there.

Cut Stronghart

One example I am not sure about. From Foxfire

• Complete Monster: Hongqi, son of Quon, was the son of a fabulously wealthy merchant and never had to work for anything outside of his earthbending. He takes a Lower Ring woman as a mistress and starts a family with her in secret, but gets bored of his mistress and wants to marry a richer woman. Despite dumping the poor woman, Hongqi didn't want her to move from him, so he disfigures her by giving her a Glasgow Grin and destroys her emotionally by taking away her children, preventing her from seeing them, and dumps her back in the Lower Ring; the mistress commits suicide. After a while, Hongqi grew bored of his children and finally found a wealthy young bride to marry. Not wanting his future in-laws to find out about his bastard children, Hongqi murders his own toddler-aged children by trapping them in an active kiln and shutting it closed with earthbending, cremating the children alive.

Guy is absolute prick, but this is Avatar: The Last Airbender fanfic. Avatar has huge standard, but this guy sounds like small pottatoes with nasty personal villainy. Honestly think he needs to be cut.

Edited by EmperorGeode on Jun 5th 2023 at 6:35:23 AM

Cut proposal now...I think we've hit it:

At this point, I think we can safely cut Sakazuki/Akainu from One Piece. Now, previously, the circumstances of his duel with Aokiji/Kuzan were unclear. As of a recent chapter, this is no longer the case. Kuzan is revealed to have joined the fleet of the Blackbeard pirates and in a flashback recounts the duel. ...while he's clearly still a touch annoyed and doesn't cover everything, he angrily remarks that Akainu told him that he was actually upset to duel him due to them coming up in the ranks together. It's minor, but it's there.

Cut Akainu.

Figured he wasn’t lasting much longer. Ever since the time skip, he’d been getting more objectionable to the World Government’s shit.

See you all in five years whenever Imu or Xebec is finally proposed.

Cut Akainu and can people please not ignore my cut proposal.

Cut Akainu

EDIT: switch to abstain on Hongqi

Edited by Snowy66 on Jun 5th 2023 at 7:48:26 AM

Cut Akainu, but for Hongqi I'm willing to say keep him, even if he's compared Avatar's standard, burning your own children alive just because you got bored of your family is absolutely horrendous for what I assume is ultimately an insignificant guy in the setting

Cut Akainu. Would vote on the Avatar candidate but I am not familiar enough with the fanfic to say.

Going with keep to Hongqi.

I'll keep Hongqi sounds Nasty for just a dude.

Cut Akainu.