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    Rules 
Rules. The following are not suggestions or tips, but things that have to be followed:
  • When writing a profile, take note of the following:
    • Gods cannot be followers or high priests for obvious reasons. The 'gods' have ascended meaning there is no need for said character to be a follower of another if they have ascended.
    • No hype profiles, please. 'Hype Profiles' are profiles that have been made out of ongoing events and have not been around for a long time. This creates 'hype' due to popularity and certain elements either through certain scenes, memes, dramatic acting or considered overly awesome. They are not bad tropes but building a portfolio solely for that is a bad idea, as they do not say a thing about representing the trope best (unless it's those trope concepts that they are trying to embody for a long time)
      • You can see one if the profile is only showing off how awesome they are or suddenly pushing how 'significant' they are thanks to the just very recent events rather than respecting the longstanding good representations of the trope. And usually having... minimum portfolio or flavor texts and being a bit too generalized or self-contained to events from within their home series instead of interacting with other Pantheon members.
  • When posting in the forum, take note of the following:
    • When you suggest a God, please explain why they fit the trope. Not everyone is going to understand just "X should be the God of Y because they exemplify the trope" off the bat, especially if they're unfamiliar with the work.
    • You must use the Trope Pantheons discussion thread in the forums if you wish to add a new deity, story, something else of importance to the Trope Pantheon canon, or reworking an existing deity (be it simply improving their existing profile or changing their title).
      • For new and reworked deities, 3 [tup] means the profile will have a one week waiting period.
      • For new and reworked deities, 4 [tup] is a 3 day waiting period.
      • 5 [tup] is an automatic ascension for new and reworked deities.
      • Speaking of reworks, for anyone that wants to improve such profiles, they have to review the current trope the character(s) has and see if it still holds up or if there is a better rep for their trope.
    • For adding new Treasures to The Great Treasury or new Dominions to the Dominions, the following rules apply:
      • For new Treasures or Dominions, 3 [tup] is a 3 day waiting period.
      • 4 [tup] is an automatic addition to the Great Treasury or Dominions.
    • Do not repost a profile in the forums more than twice in a day if noticeable changes have not been made in between. If a profile is posted a third time in a row without noticeable alterations, it will be downvoted. This is so spamming of no-effort profiles is less frequent and to prevent tropers from getting aggravated seeing the same profile over and over. The minimum acceptable change has to be a single flavour text.
    • The Pantheon is not a mouthpiece for you to voice your opinions on certain characters. You may like certain characters more than others, but do not make the mistake of making profiles for characters you like look like Character Shilling.
    • Tropers new to the Pantheon are barred from approving or downvoting profiles until they have ascended at least two profiles.
    • Do not include fan reception in any profiles. It has nothing to do with the character themselves and will create unnecessary conflict.
    • Write a detailed explanation on why the character is the best candidate for deity of that trope. If people disagree with you, do not force it on the people.
    • Keep in mind that if you still want to try to find a trope for a particular character, you are only given three chances to find a particular trope for them. If a suggestion goes past three possible tropes, then it will come off as shoehorning a character into the Pantheon just for the sake of that character to be there.
      • On a related note, even if a character does have a free trope being suggested, there is still a limit of three attempts for suggesting that character for that trope. If no one responds to that certain proposal after being posted three times, then it will get to the point where the idea will be seen as being shoehorned into the Pantheon. In addition, the idea needs to be considered acceptable and approved because they are good, not for the sake of pitying others because no one is responding to their idea.
  • When posting Pantheon related stuff to the wiki, take note of the following:
    • Do not put a link to these Pantheon pages into the main wiki page. The moment you want to add in a main Characters page that the character is a God of this trope, do not do it. If you see leftovers of this practice, inform the forum and use the cutlist. This also goes to the Trivia page. The only exception to this rule is if a page in the Pantheon could be confused for a page in Main, like Good Colors, Evil Colors and Good and Evil Colors.
    • Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment ALSO applies here. Do not bring things that would incite fights, even if it is what is currently the hot topic and might be 'urgent'. For example, the political scene and some really bad politicians. We are not here to fight at each other, so don't suggest things that go to that direction, this is a fictional Pantheon after all.
    • To add a Pantheon page for a certain work, 4 or more characters coming from the same series/franchise should be ascended before adding the page. For Creator specific pages, 4 deities coming from the same creator and 2 individual work pages coming from the same creator is the minimum to warrant a page.
    • Do not create a trope page for a story until the story is fully completed.

    Instructions and Tips 
Here are some tips one should keep in mind when editing:

  • Preparing to write:
    • First thing to do before present a profile is to go to the Trope Pantheons discussion thread. In the forums, you must discuss with other users on adding ideas and seek their approval with sound reasoning. You can also get some assistance in the forum thread by either asking for help and those interested asking if they can help. Submissions that are added without discussion are likely to be deleted and those who violate those rules by adding Pantheon content without discussion will get reported to the mods.
    • If you feel the need to remove a character for some reason (poor quality, outdated titles, etcetera) and replace him/her with another or outright rework, please see what the other tropers think about this in the discussion thread before doing anything hasty. Use good reasoning to see if your idea can easily replace the character present without drawing out your statement or giving too ambiguous claims most do not understand.
    • Please be sure to consult others in the discussion about what you want to work before making the profile. This is done to see if your proposal is the best representative and so, in case your profile is turned down, you do not waste time writing something that others might not find suitable.
      • In the same vein, if you adopt a profile from another troper, it is recommended that you make an announcement that you have done so on the discussion thread. More often than not, a trope that was reserved for something was given away to someone else. Check the Related tab on the top of a page to see if a trope or character has been reserved by a user.
    • If, for whatever reason, you are writing about a God who just happens to be a person in real life, just try to be very careful about what you decide to say. Do not try to make the editing seem too meta (self-referential) and use the aformentioned creativity to create hypothetical scenarios towards fictional characters.
  • When writing a profile for a character, here are a few things to note:
    • All deities should be sorted by their divine ranking. Put Overdeities on the top of the page and Quasideities on the bottom. Also be sure to add them in alphabetical order by their first/given name (can be reversed if it is Eastern ordered). For a group, if there is no official name for them all list down all their names by order of relevance or (if too long to list) title them as Insert Name Here Main Characters or some other identifiable title along the same lines.
    • The maximum number of tropes that a god can have is two, but do not try to abuse that fact. If you need to use a second trope to specify a certain thing about their position, that can be excused either because said character represents their trope choice very well alongside the first trope. It is still generally encouraged to only have one trope.
    • A trope can only belong to one profile at a time. The only time two profiles can share a trope is if there are explicit variations listed in the trope page proper (e.g. Muscle Angst is held by both Biscuit Krueger and Chihiro Fujisaki as the former represents "Too Much Muscle" and the latter represents "Not Enough Muscle")
    • If the character you are about to add to a House already exists in another, make sure to mention that this person has spots in other House as well. Up to 2 places can be made for a deity, with the sole exceptions being those at the Main House to highlight those characters’ importance to the Pantheon’s lore.
    • For a character's theme song, try to avoid calling it "Theme of God X" or "Theme of (Show where God X originates from)". If possible, try to find out if the song has an actual name through research. Most importantly, it has to be part their series’ official soundtracks from media. Do not list songs that are made by fans or outside sources. If they were not specifically used as music for that specific character, then they do not count. Furthermore, it has to be a general theme specifically made for that characters’ appearances, not some generic music that plays for many other instances not related to the character in question.
    • For images, when adding an image for your chosen character, it is highly recommended to use a stylized image that embodies the character or renders that also highlights a character’s behavior (such as cool poses). Most images should be from the main adaptations of the character, unless the images from the other media are of a higher quality than the adaptation. Unless it is needed, do not use fanart for images. If you are, please attribute to the original artist. Due to the website’s dark mode, removing white backgrounds from an image is paramount. This website is suggested to do the background removal. If an image you have takes up too much bytes, it is suggestible to use this site to reduce the byte size. If the byte is still too big, put the compressed image to other sites (or even the same one) to compress even further. Use wikias to look for better images, as even wikias for the series might not contain good official images.
    • Creativity is your friend. While it is not recommended to get too ditzy at your ideas, it is best that when writing a profile for a certain character, do you think of capable scenarios between X and Y. Tip: do not use shallow examples (X wields a sword and Y wields one too) and try to think of relationships that makes sense (i.e those characters that are shout-outs for another).
  • Pantheon Content:
    • Some series or genres will eventually have greater representation in the Pantheon than others. This is unavoidable, but a little diversity helps to make you not look like a shill per say. Try to ensure that if you add a deity from a popular series, make sure that it is because they are a good representative for the trope in question, and not just because they are connected to another deity in their respective canon.
      • As far as deities from actual mythologies, there is generally expectation to build the profiles off interactions from fictional portrays rather than basing it entire from the actual myth. Therefore, a mythological deity should be more of a Composite Character whose main identity is from the actual myth.
    • Occasionally there will be Gods that carry a title without a trope. This is not forbidden, but it is well advised not to abuse them. The only house that a tropeless profile are wholly allowed is the House of Food. Mainly due to most food items lacking tropes, and adding tropes about said foodstuffs is slightly unnecessary. However, the character being ascended for their choice of a food, or food-related thing must be a decently good representative of said item. (i.e their Trademark Favorite Food, or something that they are closely associated with In-Universe, or both).
    • For Dominions and Treasures profiles, always consider what made those places/objects popular in the first place. Were they plot-important, identifiable imagery or have a unique aspect of it? Do not just bring regular objects under the basis of following a certain canon.
  • For Profile Standards:
    • Flavor text is used to describe certain things about a character, place or object. To avoid short ones, it is recommended to write flavor text with 4-7 sentences that can fill around 2 lines each. Be warned that adding too many sentences does not equal good flavor text as it is not an essay of sorts (unless words are substantial and do add to the overall line).
    • Character Profiles of a certain person should have the following:
      • A portfolio that contains at least 7 (at the minimum) tropes describing their character.
      • Flavor text count for a deity profile should have by minimum, 10 (depending if the character in question has enough relationships/characterization) to 15 with a maximum of 20-25 for an individual profile.
      • On the other hand, group profiles (profiles of a group that has 4 or more members) have their maximum flavor text count to 15 minimum, giving individual lines for the other members of the group (unless the members are not as characterized) up to 30 at max.
    • Dominion profiles of a certain place should have the following:
      • A portfolio that contains at least 5 (at the minimum) tropes describing the context of the place.
      • Flavor text count should range at least 10 to 15.
    • Treasure profiles (inanimate objects without a trope) should have the following:
      • A portfolio that contains at least 6 (at the minimum) tropes that describes the object itself.
      • Flavor text count should be at least 7 flavor text up to 12 to constitute a treasure profile.

    Divine Ranking System 
  • Overdeity: Omnipotent-level Reality Warpers capable of manipulating the entire universe (or at least the world) at will. Within their own universe they are believed to be omnipotent, or at least impossible-to-completely-destroy embodiments or concepts.
  • Greater Gods: High-level Reality Warpers and that are extremely powerful (capable of destroying or changing anywhere from a large city to a planet at will) and very strong non-reality warpers capable of doing the same thing.
  • Intermediate Gods: Deities at this level are capable of strong but specialized powers such as hydrokinesis, pyrokinesis, etc. without major drawbacks and low level Reality Warpers capable of affecting their immediate area at will.
  • Lesser Gods: Capable of highly specific or little power on their own, or suffer from Power at a Price. However, they may be able to ruthlessly exploit their power or combine it with just being badass enough to make up for it.
  • Demigods: Basically the Badass Normals of the pantheon, making up for their lack of abilities with strength, strategy, and/or planning.
  • Quasideities: Any otherwise normal human, human equivalent, or below without any special powers or training will fall here.

    Templates 
Template for adding a new deity:

God X, God/dess of (Insert Trope Here) (Alternate names/Nicknames, Fan Nickname)

  • An image, if possible. Please use official art or a screenshot for a picture.
  • Rank: This can range from Quasideity, Demigod, Lesser God, Intermediate God, Greater God, to Overdeity, based on representation of power mentioned above.
  • Symbol: An image or icon used to represent the deity.
  • Theme Song: Official song (in other words, no fan music, regardless of quality) that usually is used in affiliation with the character. If the deity is a musician this will most likely be their Signature Song. If possible, give a link for reference, preferably on either a website like Soundcloud or YouTube.
  • Alignment: Good, evil, neutral etc. Forget about The Great Character Alignment Debate here, the Pantheon is one of the few places where you can assign Dungeons & Dragons alignment to characters that don't have alignment system. After all, the Pantheon is based on D&D and is made for fun.
  • For Pokémon deities only:
    • Gender: Defines the gender of the Pokémon; if genderless, it instead defines what gender they identify as.
    • Ability: Provides the Pokémon's ability. If they can Mega Evolve, the new ability is listed as well.
    • Moves: Defines the four moves used by a Pokémon. A Z-Move may also be listed.
  • Portfolio: Tropes associated with the character.
  • Domains: Things that the character has influence over.
  • Herald: Non-ascended loyal character that is from the same series as the ascended character.
  • High Priest: Non-ascended like heralds, but not from the same series, and can serve as a worthy replacement in case something would happen. They can be served as part-time workers in case the originals are busy with some jobs. Co-Godhood is accepted depending on the approval of the originals, usually if the co-deity is from the same series.
  • Followers: Non-ascended characters that are not part of the Pantheon, but would probably worship this character by the fact that they share the ascended character's trope.
  • Relationships between ascended characters go here with your chosen character, it goes something like this:
    • Allies: Members of the Pantheon that are allies, those that share the same values as them and would theoretically be friends with them.
    • Rivals: Members of the Pantheon that are rivals, people who may look at your character with suspicion or a challenge.
    • Enemies: Members of the Pantheon that are foes, those who would see your chosen character as a threat, either on their pespective or yours.
    • Additional Character Relationships: Members of the Pantheon that do not fit in various relationships (examples include Enemy Mine, Vitriolic Best Buds, Teeth-Clenched Teamwork, Headbutting Heroes, Friendly Enemy, Friendly Rival, Just Friends, etc.), allies, rivals, or enemies.
    • Partner: Defines a partnership with an ascended deity and Mon-type. (if any)
    • Feared by/Fears: A deity whom the members of the Pantheon notably fear or are feared by.
    • Respected by/Respects: A deity whom the members of the Pantheon respect or are respected by.
    • Opposed by/Opposes: Not necessarily the same as "Enemies", but this is used for any deity whom the members of the Pantheon directly opposes or is opposed by (basically the opposite of "Respects") terms of certain viewpoints, regardless of alignment.
    • Pitied by/Pities: A deity whom the members of the Pantheon feel pity for or are found pitiable by.
    • Conflicting Opinion: Sometimes, the Deities argue over specific themes and philosophies.
  • Add the Intro. The intro is made up of two trivia, the Ascension Text (or just the Ascension) and The Bio. Both are necessary, but which order you use for them may vary depending on the profile in question. It may be better for one profile to have The Bio first and the Ascension second or vice-versa, although for the most part the order is irrelevant:
    • The Ascension Text: This the story of how the character got into the Pantheon and/or was ascended. There are many ways for this to happen. They may be tricked into it or have simply wandered into the Pantheon, they may have had an already ascended character bring them in, they may already be in the Pantheon (via being another deity's Herald or sharing a trope) and got "promoted", or some combination of the above. Anything is possible in the Pantheon, so use your imagination, but try to incorporate their trope into the story, if possible.
    • The Bio: A brief synopsis on the character's backstory. No need for the character's entire life/production history, but just give enough that those who don't know the character can get an idea of how the character works.
  • Now add some random trivia/facts about events/alignments/moments/fights/friendships/relations etc.
  • And some more trivia/facts.
  • And a couple of more.
    • Note: Standard amount of flavor text for Deities/Characters is 10-15 (15-20 for group profiles) at minimum to 20-25 (30 for group profiles) at maximum.

Template for Dominions profiles:

Place X, Place of (Insert Trope Here) (Alternate names/Nicknames, Fan Nickname)

  • An image, if possible. Please use official art or a screenshot for a picture.
  • Theme Song (Optional): Not important as compared to Deity and Dominion profiles but a notable mention if there is an accompanying song in use with the object.
  • Alignment: Refers to the dominion's role in their story, be it those used by villains or used by the Player Character.
  • Portfolio: Tropes associated with the dominion.
  • Domains: Things that the place has links to.
  • Relationships (Optional): Unless the location has a connection with a specific deity, relationships are optional and may not be required. However, if there are deities linked to the same series as where the dominion is linked to, note them using the relationships, this includes deities that theoretically have interest with said dominion, good or evil otherwise.
  • Add the Intro. Here the introduction of the Dominion is added with some tidbits regarding the origins of its' creation and usage in the story. You can also add what made it popular/iconic/important here.
  • Now add some random trivia/facts about events/alignments/moments/fights/friendships/relations etc.
  • And some more trivia/facts.
  • And a couple of more.
    • Note: Standard amount of flavor text for Dominions is 10 at minimum to 15 at maximum.

Template for Treasure profiles:

The name of the item in here (Alternate names/Nicknames, Fan Nickname)

  • An image, if possible. Please use official art or a screenshot for a picture.
  • Appearance: A shortened description of the item's looks with some notable features also mentioned.
  • Class: Refer to the Treasure Classification System in the Great Treasury.
  • Alignment: Refers to the objects' role in their story, be it those used by villains or used by the Player Character.
  • Theme Song (Optional): Not important as compared to Deity and Dominion profiles but a notable mention if there is an accompanying song in use with the object.
  • Museum Check: A note that says whether the item is viewable by the public.
  • Portfolio: Tropes associated with the item.
  • Domains: Things that the item has links to.
  • Relationships (Optional): Unless the item has a connection with a specific deity, relationships are optional and may not be required. However, if there are deities linked to the same series as where the item is linked to (especially the original owner of the item), note them using the relationships, this includes deities that theoretically have interest with said object, good or evil otherwise.
  • Add the Intro. Here the introduction of the Treasure is added with some tidbits regarding the origins of its' creation and usage in the story. You can also add what made it popular/iconic/important here.
  • Now add some random trivia/facts about events/alignments/moments/fights/friendships/relations etc.
  • And some more trivia/facts.
  • And a couple of more.
    • Note: Standard amount of flavor text for Treasures is 7 at minimum to 12 at maximum.

Edited by Willbyr on May 24th 2021 at 7:52:09 AM

GM_3826 (Not) A Game Master from Ylisse Since: May, 2014 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
(Not) A Game Master
#12676: Apr 4th 2015 at 4:50:39 AM

[up][up]I don't think a trope like Unicorn really needs followers. As for Allies and Enemies, Aigis from Persona 3 makes a good ally (and I'm pretty sure she's in the Pantheon somewhere).

edited 4th Apr '15 4:50:58 AM by GM_3826

krimzonflygon2 Since: Jul, 2013
#12677: Apr 4th 2015 at 5:09:51 AM

Okay, the Megaten Expert cometh.

Here's basically the rundown of the two factions as they've been shown throughout the series.

First, Law. The unfortunate truth is that in the vast majority of the games, if not all of them, the issues are kicked off by the Law Faction and their attempts to subjugate all of existence. At first glance, they're Lawful Evil full stop. But the truth is, they're simply not. They well and truly believe they're helping humanity. Just look at the Eastern Kingdom of Mikado: barring the caste system (not even their doing), it's a City-On-The-Hill Utopia. That's the big sticking point, and why I may just boot Big Brother out of their ranks: as abominable as YHVH's actions may be, Dystopia Justifies the Means is unthinkable. Why would he do such a thing: he's born from humanity's desire for structure, comfort and order. It's the same reason he'd never accept Darkseid's help. YHVH may be a despot, but he'd never spend eternity torturing his chosen children: that's purely the fate of the 'Filth', to use SMT IV terms.

As such, that's the huge difference between YHVH's Lawful Evil acts and Melkor's Lawful Evil acts. Melkor does Lawful Evil for the sake of control, and control for its own sake, while YHVH does it to paint smiles on our souls. He believes it's the best way to make humanity happy, and that makes all the difference in the world. I mean, the guy DETESTS Melkor, and shows Mr. Rogers respect for his kindness.

It's the difference between the aforementioned Darkseid or Big Brother, and say...the Borg. Both are Lawful Evil in the eyes of humanity, but between the two, the Borg are LEAGUES better, because they're not just doing it to stroke their own egos. YHVH was only ever super-self-serving once (SMT II) and it ended up alienating SATAN. As in, his right hand man. He never reaches those levels again.

I think we all forgot that because of when this guy appeared in the forefront: as a villain just as bad as his SMT II incarnation. We need to separate him from the Pantheonic Rebellion just a bit: that all kicked off when YHVH tried to get the Sisterhood under his control, and when they joined up with Lamington instead he threw a tantrum and went after Madoka to punish them.

Speaking of Madoka...

Lucifer and Chaos: the best way I can describe his attitude is that he cares about humanity just as much as God does. Unfortunately, he doesn't necessarily care about individual humans unless they're really special cases, like Aleph or Naoki. For the sake of defeating God and preserving free will, he's willing to sacrifice as many people as needed, whether through his troops (who need to eat humans to survive) or by making an entire plane of existence go 'pfft' in order to create a super-demon.

Both are...bad, to say the least. Make no mistake, he leaves devastation in his wake. Remember: I'm sympathetic toward Chaos and even I can admit the guy's mad, bad, and dangerous to know.

But he doesn't rub his hands and twirl his mustache and gloat about the glorious destruction. He may be Chaos, but he's ORGANIZED Chaos: everything he does, he does for a reason. Random slaughtering and destruction is the domain of his troops: the kind of demons he attracts and tolerates for the sake of his goal. And his goal is freedom, freedom to do ANYTHING so long as you're physically capable of doing so. Survival of the fittest reigns supreme, and the only law is that of the jungle.

Cool at first thought, maybe, but less so when you think about what it would really mean. You'd spend the rest of your (short) life looking over your shoulder and scheming to stab everyone else in the back.

While a world of madness and destruction like that would seem ideal for someone like Johan Liebert, there's just enough "good" in it to turn him off: there's the possibility of growth and achievement for those truly strong. The ashes left behind would grow a fertile new world, as it were. This is why Lucifer has people like Armstrong on his side: they both basically want the same thing, only in Lucifer's case it would extend beyond America's borders.

Lucifer's morality is Might Makes Right. He respects Mr. Rogers just as much as YHVH does, but only because of how brain-breakingly powerful Rogers is. On the surface, he and his followers may seem better than YHVH's, but rather than being self-righteous and aloof like the angels, they're violent and destructive, no matter what kind of codes they may or may not have, and not someone you'd want to be around in the real world.

So here's the summary: it's easy to see YHVH as Lawful Evil because of his methods, but his goals are a different flavor enough to separate him from Melkor: a benevolent dictatorship as opposed to a dystopic one control for the sake of others rather than oneself (well, most of the time, but SMT II's something he'll NEVER live down). Lucifer may look Chaotic Good because he's fighting for freedom, (and again, SMT II), but the level of mayhem he spreads in service to his goals is frankly unacceptable.

He's willing to, just to give an example, manipulate the best friend of one of the sweetest goddesses in the Pantheon and ultimately destroy said goddess's powers for the sake of creating a soldier that could fight YHVH. It's all for the sake of freedom for all sentient life, but that's small comfort for the Sisterhood.

edited 4th Apr '15 5:11:59 AM by krimzonflygon2

Eldrake Since: Oct, 2009
#12678: Apr 4th 2015 at 5:27:45 AM

@krimzonflygon2: First of all, thanks for coming to the discussion thread!

There has been some discussion about perhaps opening a Mecha division within the GUAC to expand it, likely with Armstrong as the commander of it (since he piloted Metal Gear Excelsus). Any thoughts on it?

krimzonflygon2 Since: Jul, 2013
#12679: Apr 4th 2015 at 5:45:10 AM

Go for it. Not sure what I can add, Mech anime's not really my domain.

And yeah, I'm sorry I haven't been for a while, work's been...holy crap.

edited 4th Apr '15 5:45:53 AM by krimzonflygon2

Toony123 The Bond Between Teacher and Disciple from Banana Republic Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Bond Between Teacher and Disciple
#12680: Apr 4th 2015 at 5:47:11 AM

[up][up][up] The way you describe him sounds a lot like a extreme Eliphas (And Eliphas was already extreme). It is worth mentioning because in an interesting twist of irony and what could be considered a world-shattering paradox, the protagonist of ZEXAL nominally supported Law in spite of his Chaotic Good alignment.

Though of course, he didn't know that at first but even when the reveal dawned on him that the Law faction was not nice or the better one just because his Lawful Good companion was from there, he simply challenged the higher-up and defeated it and then helped his companion to overhaul the Law faction.

In other words, the ZEXAL-verse is the Bizarro World regarding Order Versus Chaos, at least compared to SMT. Where Law is horrible but redeemeable and Chaos cannot be saved barring a few individuals suffering under the system.

Maybe if I found a way to ascend Eliphas (Don Thousand, his counterpart, could easily take Chaos Is Evil, but Eliphas might be a hard one to place) because as ridiculously Knight Templar as he was, he did allow Astral and Yuma to do the right thing. Maybe I could give him Knight Templar considering the current one is bare.

edited 4th Apr '15 5:48:10 AM by Toony123

Why I can't never get it right?
TPPR10 Shocking Gun! from out of nowhere Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Shocking Gun!
#12681: Apr 4th 2015 at 5:56:39 AM

So tl:dr "YHVH wants law and order no matter what, Lucifer wants freedom to those who can take it, and no one is going to live down SMTII". Is this the gist of it?

I think this just proves that either Great Will needs to either make a huge leap on trying to make people think that he can be Lawful Neutral, or He needs some one to counter-act him like Eiki. Like, YHVH tries to make others follow his law by force (because where he might not be as bad in other games, that doesn't mean he is really a nice guy), Eiki tries to make people follow the law by telling what they should do, but has to judge people in the court based on the law. YHVH might be the one who makes the law, but Eiki is the one who puts the law in motion.

Continue the bloodline, Fujimaru!
WhirlRX Since: Jan, 2015
#12682: Apr 4th 2015 at 6:06:31 AM

Eldrake@ I'm thinking of bringing Mecha Godzilla in the pantheon so in can go in the Me ha division. Though, I don't know whether to ascend him in just the treasure or as the deity of Robot Me. Also, I'm going to make The Magistrate Judges later. I have a base idea on who will join. But more members would be nice.

Nero, The Quarter Demon

Devil Trigger mode 
  • Theme Song: Never Surrender
  • Lesser God
  • Symbol: His Devil Bringer
  • Alignment: Chaotic Good
  • Portfolio: Anti-Hero, Badass Longcoat, Having a Powerful Devil Arm, Being Vergil's Son, Getting Together With a Redhead, Blue and Red Right Hand, Son of a Whore
  • Domain: Demon, Swords, Guns, Rebellion
  • Allies: Dante Sparda, Ichigo Kurosaki, Orihime Inoue, Ryuko Matoi, Senketsu, Squall Leonhart, Laharl, Rutile, Mana Tatsumiya
  • Enemies: Mundus, Nui Harime, Mard Geer Tartaros, Satan
  • Complicated Relationship: Vergil Sparda
  • When Nero first ascended to the pantheon he thought he heard his girlfriend Kyrie. To his surprise, and a bit dissapointment, the person was actually Orihime Inoue who sounded and kind of look like Kyrie. He was in for another surprise when she introduce him to Ichigo Kurosaki who sounded just like him. And then was surprise again when he found out Ichigo was also a hybrid. Nero was totally weirded out by the similarities. One wonders how he react when he learn about Ichigo and Orihime's adventure in Hueco Mundo.
    • Because of the similarity between Nero and Ichigo, deities would purposely call them by the others name.
  • Became the unfortunate admirer of one Nui Harime. Nero is utterly disgusted with her and her psychopathic antics.
    • This share animosity has made him an ally to both Ryuko Matoi and Senketsu. Though, he declined in trying out Senketsu.
  • Mundus has became very wary after Nero's ascension once he learned he was a blood of Sparda. Though, he has some sinister plans for him once he found out who is father is.
  • When Dante heard of Nero's ascension, he was pretty much happy and decided to mentor the kid. Though, he doesn't go all out in their training, yet.
    • Might know that Vergil is Nero's father and thus making him his uncle.
  • As a welcome to the Pantheon gift, Dante has given Nero both Cerberus and Agni and Rudra.
  • Can play a mean air guitar.
  • Is hated by Mard Geer because of their conflicting views on humans; Mard views them as nothing but insect, but Nero believes being human is something special and makes them stronger then demons.
  • His family matters is a little bit of a touchy subject for him. His mother was a prostitute and he doesn't even know who his father is. Some of the Pantheon believe Morrigan Aensland might be his mother. She denies ever giving birth to him, because if she did, she wouldn't be able to have a taste of the demon cutie.
  • Has been acting as a sort of big brother towards Rutile. He cracked up when she mention how she and Stella broke Satan's rips.
    • Because of his friendship with Rutile, he met her other friends Sapphire and Almaz. And once again he was shock that the two sounded just like Kyrie and himself. And unlike Ichigo and Orihime, these two were in a relationship.
  • For some odd reason, Nero still has Yamato despite Vergil ascending with the demon katana. Not only that, but when ever Nero is even near Vergil, his devil bringer would glow bright blue. Because of this, Nero is determined to find out what's the connection between the two.

Nero Claudius Caesar Augustus Germanicus, Badly Gifted Goddess (Red Saber, The Pinnicle of the Arts, The Whore of Babylon)

—>Rejoice, for I, Nero Claudius Caesar Augustus Germanicus, as gracefully ascended to the pinnacle of Godhood. Come and bask in glory that is myself. There is no shame to stare. For it is reasonable to be awestruck by such perfection.
  • Even despite her poor artist ability, she has a knack of easily learning new stuff. This includes piloting a mobile suit like an ace and even battle Yugi Muto in a duel. Unfortunately, because she was plague by headaches in her life, these skills are not kept and are forgotten.
  • Has earn the ire of both Arturia and Mordred, for of the former then the latter, accusing her of being an imposter to their image. Of course she always tell them that there are one big, well, two BIG differences that doesn't make them the same. This didn't help her standing with the other Sabers.
  • Was ecstatic that the actual Hercules was in the pantheon. She would challenge the demigods nearly everyday to in combat. Hercules applaud the fiery passion of the emperor and welcome the challenges.
  • Because of her own manipulative, backstabbing mother, Nero has made every evil mother in the pantheon her enemy. In perticular Ragyo Kiryuin for her molestation of her daughters and Tremarie for trying to deprive Cinderella of her happy ending. She questioned Cinderella why she never had her step-mother kill for all the pain she cause her.

edited 4th Apr '15 6:47:30 AM by WhirlRX

MysteriousZorua1994 Since: Jan, 2013
#12683: Apr 4th 2015 at 6:20:18 AM

The scroll for editing pages has been removed. Now I can't edit the bottom parts of certain pages anymore (especially with a computer that glitches every five minutes). That's so unfair for large pages (like Mammals in the House of Beasts).

The honorable Prince of the Sea: Manaphy
LordHerobrine THIS IS MY FINAL FORM from the Aether, on vacation. Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
THIS IS MY FINAL FORM
#12684: Apr 4th 2015 at 6:31:05 AM

If anyone has been following the Destroy the Godmodder forum thread in the forum games, when the thread is finished, will someone be able to compile the whole thing into a summarized story?

It's supposedly on how the godmodder ascended to the Pantheon.

I am the once and future king.
Eldrake Since: Oct, 2009
#12685: Apr 4th 2015 at 6:34:07 AM

The GUAC mecha division is going to need three things.

  • A name that works for mechas and fits Chaos
  • Proper flavor
  • More members so that Armstrong, while he's perfectly capable of doing so, doesn't have to be an one man army

The former two shouldn't be too hard. The last one, well, depends.

Also, if GUAL is really desperate for new recruits, I could always try and find a trope for Omniknight.

[down] Yeah, by Aslan. Then again, his profile is very barebones.

edited 4th Apr '15 6:41:40 AM by Eldrake

Toony123 The Bond Between Teacher and Disciple from Banana Republic Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Bond Between Teacher and Disciple
#12687: Apr 4th 2015 at 6:42:07 AM

So what I am gonna do:

  • Ascend Johan Anderson next week (his profile is almost ready).
  • Post Yuma Tsukumo's first draft for Dumb Is Good (almost ready).
  • Replace Altena with Elphias for Knight Templar (Her profile is bare and Elphias is essentially YHVH Lite so he might be able to reform the GUAL… With Yuma's background help like last time).
  • Make Don Thousand's profile for Chaos Is Evil (the trope is free, right? No pun intended).

Is everyone OK with this?

Why I can't never get it right?
JRads47 Me Listening to You RN from Emperor Palpatine Surgical Reconstruction Center Since: Dec, 2014
Me Listening to You RN
#12688: Apr 4th 2015 at 6:49:04 AM

So can someone please bring up my Joel profile for me? I don't really want to beg, but I don't have access to my computer now.

Also, are we still on the subject of Wedge? I wouldn't mind if he took Derpy's position.

Eldrake Since: Oct, 2009
#12689: Apr 4th 2015 at 6:50:58 AM

Would you like me to put it somewhere where you can access it?

Joel, God of Crazed and Contagious Laughter (Vargskelethor, Exinthevatican, Uncle Jobel, Yoh-well, JoJoel)

Quick Disclaimer: This is not mine.

edited 4th Apr '15 6:57:44 AM by Eldrake

krimzonflygon2 Since: Jul, 2013
#12690: Apr 4th 2015 at 6:51:47 AM

@TPPR 10

Funny you should bring up Eiki. In fact, we very well could have her as a de-facto Morality Pet for the Great Will; she tangles up some of his crazier orders in a landslide of bureaucracy. Unfortunately, every so often she misses one, and the Pantheon has to deal with an Ancient of Days or something.

It'd actually be very similar to Megaten nowadays. See, YHVH himself has a very reduced role in more modern SMT titles. His angels really do the heavy lifting, like in SMT IV, Strange Journey or Devil Survivor. And a lot of the time, the angel are either out for themselves (coughMastemacough), or even crazier are going completely off the rails like the Archangels in SMT IV. Now, I can think of two reasons for this. The first one is the US release as mentioned earlier in the thread, and making God more balanced so it could be palatable for the States. The second reason, and the one I really hope is true, is Atlus is referencing the multiple factions of Christianity and how they disagree on what God really wants.

Seriously, if that's the case, Atlus...you guys are geniuses.

So nowadays the situation is basically: (huge inhale) the Angels are Well Intentioned Extremists, God's stance on it all is ambiguous and everyone has contradicting opinions on what he wants because a few want to exterminate the unworthy and others believe they're redeemable but then Ancient of Days happens and casts a dark shadow on the Big Guy Upstairs but it may or may not be canon because its DLC that has no tie in to the main storyline unlike the Archangel battles which are honestly gaiden chapters anyway.

Whew...

So basically for the Pantheon, Eiki desperately tries to reign in YHVH's nastier nature while allowing him to do some of the more Lawful Good/Neutral things, but every so often he pulls the wool over her eyes and manages to Conception a world or two. Yeah, I can see that.

edited 4th Apr '15 6:55:44 AM by krimzonflygon2

WhirlRX Since: Jan, 2015
#12691: Apr 4th 2015 at 6:55:35 AM

Toony@ Agsinst the last one. Think Vaatu would be better for the trope.

J Rad@ Derpy is more Ensemble Dark Horse then Wedge. I thought Lelouch get Byronic Hero from Lord Byron who profile is kind of short.

[up] That the most sense I ever saw when it comes to YVHN. Because I don't know the series and all this info is utterly confusing.

edited 4th Apr '15 7:09:33 AM by WhirlRX

MysteriousZorua1994 Since: Jan, 2013
#12692: Apr 4th 2015 at 7:06:17 AM

I've added Daxter to the White Hats, mainly based on one mission in Jak 3: Wastelander (where he is zapped into Vin's computer for that Pac-Man style mini-game that's harder than Demyx). He only helps out if a file is beyond reach. You know, you guys are welcome to edit the draft and help out.

[down]I don't recall Dexter having anything to do with Cyberspace. Besides, he's more suited for a technology sub-faction.

edited 4th Apr '15 7:27:07 AM by MysteriousZorua1994

The honorable Prince of the Sea: Manaphy
WhirlRX Since: Jan, 2015
#12693: Apr 4th 2015 at 7:12:13 AM

Ok, I made GUAL Magistrate Judges. Can someone make a better opening text for this? I'm really bad at it. While I add in the members.

EDIT@ Ok, I fix the Magistrate Judges.

[up] Might add Dexter from Dexter's Lab.

[down] I don't know nothing about MGS:Reveangeance, but Armstrong seems more Chaotic Evil or neutral. Someone who play the game might know more,

edited 4th Apr '15 7:21:31 AM by WhirlRX

Toony123 The Bond Between Teacher and Disciple from Banana Republic Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Bond Between Teacher and Disciple
#12694: Apr 4th 2015 at 7:17:12 AM

Ah, OK. Last one wasn't something I wanted to force. Of course, Eliphas would still be against the GUAC by principle even if they aren't as abominable as Don Thousand.

Incidentally, this would make Yuma a foil to Steven Armstrong by proxy. Yuma is Chaotic Good yet aided the Law Faction (granted, one could argue Yuma's alignment shifted to Neutral Good when he did that… If it wasn't for the fact Eliphas complaining that his mere presence spread Chaos) and Armstrong is Lawful Evil yet is with the GUAC.

Why I can't never get it right?
krimzonflygon2 Since: Jul, 2013
#12695: Apr 4th 2015 at 7:23:20 AM

[up]

Armstrong only ACTS Lawful Evil at first, then reveals his true colors during his fight with Raiden to basically be Lucifer 2.0: 'Murica Edition.

Eldrake Since: Oct, 2009
#12696: Apr 4th 2015 at 7:24:22 AM

Armstrong's true alignment is Chaotic Neutral/Chaotic Evil. He just seems Lawful Evil at first sight.

CommanderPacis Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
#12697: Apr 4th 2015 at 7:39:49 AM

I think I've put most of what I can think of on here, but if anyone has other improvements in mind, I'm all ears. When it comes time to ascend the two, where in the House of Otherness should Phazon be placed?

    Phazon 
Phazon, Deity of Intelligent Substances and Corruption (The Great Poison, Phaaze)

    Dark Samus 
Dark Samus, Goddess of Phlebotinum Consumption and Overloading (Metroid Prime, The Worm, The Dark Hunter, The Black Demon)
  • Potential House: Power
  • Theme Music: Dark Samus Approaching, Dark Samus Boss Theme
  • Intermediate Goddess, Greater Goddess after absorbing enough Phazon
  • Symbol: Her glowing blue visor
  • Alignment: Chaotic Evil
  • Portfolio: The games' titular main foe, Abosorbing technology into itself, Coming back from certain death from even the smallest amounts of Phazon, Outdoing the other villains, Needs Phazon in order to survive
  • Allies: Phazon, Grima, The Gravemind
  • Enemies: Samus Aran, most Nintendo deities
  • Teeth-Clenched Teamwork: Ridley
  • Following the arrival and subsequent sealing of Phazon, reports started to come in that Samus, though with different armor coloration that seemed organic, had repeatedly been trying to gain entry to the impact crater where the Leviathan rested. It quickly became apparent that it wasn’t the bounty hunter when she tore right through the barrier and began to gorge upon any Phazon in sight, only stopping when it was driven away by Samus herself. She confirmed that the being was Dark Samus, one of her greatest foes and the one responsible for the Phazon Incident.
  • Even if they may resemble one another, Dark Samus is NOTHING like her heroic counterpart. Cold, merciless, manipulative, and driven by the single desire of consuming Phazon, the Dark Hunter will tear through anything that stands between her and her ambitions, using and throwing away allies if it means more Phazon for herself. She continually attempts to breach the seal around the Leviathan, usually to consume the sustenance present there, but more serious schemes involve trying to spread Phazon across the Pantheon.
  • Acts as the representative and voice of Phazon, carrying out its will of corrupting and subjugating all life. Granted, she isn’t one for actually speaking that much and the vocalizations she DOES make aren’t exactly that of a sane person, especially when she’s low on Phazon. However, once she’s acquired enough to become more mentally stable, Dark Samus becomes more powerful, capable of taking over minds, formulating complex strategies, and is generally more cunning.
  • While he sees Phazon as an effective tool of conquest, Ridley is not as enthusiastic about the presence of the Dark Hunter. He hasn’t forgotten her attacks on the Space Pirate forces by forcing them to serve her, especially when he was pumped with enough Phazon to become a Leviathan Guardian. The ONLY reason they even work together is their shared hatred of Samus.
  • Before it became Dark Samus, the entity was once known as Metroid Prime, The Worm of Chozo lore. Once a simple Metroid on Tallon IV, the Leviathan that impacted the planet chose to make this particular specimen its Guardian. It didn’t work out well for the core in the end, as it severely underestimated the near-infinite appetite of the creature. It wasn’t until decades later that Samus finally put an end to the Worm, but not before the core essence of the creature absorbed her Phazon Suit, reborn as Dark Samus.
  • While not quite as unkillable as Ridley, Dark Samus is still very much a pain to get rid of. She's capable of completely regenerating from a single Phazon cell, and it was only with the original destruction of Phaaze, where all Phazon in the universe was destroyed with its origin, that Dark Samus finally fell for good.
  • Normal weaponry is capable of damaging her, but not to the level of permanent damage. Because of Dark Samus' unstable physiology, only Phazon is capable of causing serious damage. This has put many heroes in the uncomfortable position of having to possibly resort to using the very substance they are opposed against in order to combat her.
  • Within a certain gathering of warriors, Dark Samus is able to be summoned, dispatching opponents with quick and powerful Phazon-based attacks.
  • Because of her ravenous nature, Dark Samus was briefly considered to be a part of the House of Food, but since Phazon would have to be present within the house for it to consume, this was quickly thrown out.

edited 4th Apr '15 8:32:31 AM by CommanderPacis

Eldrake Since: Oct, 2009
#12698: Apr 4th 2015 at 7:43:31 AM

[up] Add a comma between Ridley and The Gravemind in the allies section for Phazon, fix the links in the allies section- Oh nevermind you already did it by the time I finished tihs.

[tup] I approve.

edited 4th Apr '15 7:44:04 AM by Eldrake

EDFHemlock Cynical Culture Enthusiast from Why would I reveal this? Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Cynical Culture Enthusiast
#12699: Apr 4th 2015 at 7:49:46 AM

[up][up][up][up][up]Yes, Armstrong is Lawful Evil, but his ultimate motive fits in Chaos.

edited 4th Apr '15 7:50:22 AM by EDFHemlock

Super Happy Fun Time with Monokuma, Lucifer and YHVH
WhirlRX Since: Jan, 2015
#12700: Apr 4th 2015 at 7:50:44 AM

[up][up] [up]You think you can get a better image of Dark Samus? Other then thst, [tup]

Guys, I'm going to overhaul Zero of Code Geass profile and put him in the Magistrate Judges. It needs it bad. But I need some text that I can put for it.

[up] So Lawful Chaotic Evil?

[down] EDIT@ I can just remove her.

I need a good name for my Mama Bear Group.

The HeroSophitia Alexandra
The LancerHelen Parr
Big GalKushina Uzumaki
Smart GalYui Ikari
The HeartJun Kazama

edited 4th Apr '15 9:00:32 PM by WhirlRX


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