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nightelf37 The Keyblade, Mermaid, and Pony Seeker from Hadithi (it's Swahili for 'story') Relationship Status: Brony
The Keyblade, Mermaid, and Pony Seeker
Feb 11th 2019 at 7:16:18 AM

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Where in the House of Narrative should I put A2 for Not What It Looks Like?

'YoRHa Attacker No. 2, Goddess of Misinterpreted Situations (A2, Number Two)

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A2 in the third act 
  • Intermediate Goddess
  • Symbol:
  • Alignment: Chaotic Neutral, with leanings to Chaotic Good
  • Portfolio: Anti-Hero, Actually Tehnically Naked, Jerk with a Heart of Gold , Berserk Mode Increases Speed And Attack In Exchange For HP Drain, Became A Cynic Due To Surviving What Was Actually A Suicide Mission, Super Prototype, Former Wide-Eyed Idealist, Possesses Kainé's Recorded Memories, Taunts With Words Rather Than Pod Flashlights Which Boosts Her And Her Foes' Attack, Important Haircut, Tritagonist, Mercy Kill On 2B, Mutual Kill With 9S
  • Domain(s): Androids, Cynicism, Berserk,
  • Allies: Most of Liberion Arcadia
  • Rivals:
  • Enemies: Dr. Gero, Cybermen, Soundwave, The Vex, Samaritan, SHODAN, Love Machine, Dr. Nefarious, Gigan, Omega, Freddy Fazbear, Sentinel, Sombra, Sigma, Vile, Lumine, Copy X, Ultron, the Infested, the Corpus, the Grand United Alliance of Machines
  • Special Relationship: 2B and 9S
  • Opposes: Nier
  • A2 has been in the Pantheon for a while now, it's just that it was in a secret storage area that had been reserved for her and 9S when 2B first ascended, and in stasis until a trope could be found for her.
    • And at long last, one was found: Not What It Looks Like. The reason is because it was one of these that fueled her entire conflict with 9S; he arrived just in time to see her kill 2B, unaware that she had already succumbed to the Logic Virus and A2 was granting her a Mercy Kill.
    • With that handled, her temple was quickly assembled, her body was moved there and awakened, and word spread. Naturally, 9S was among the first on the scene and he and A2 started clashing swords. Shortly after that, 2B arrived and defused the situation.
    9S: Why are you protecting her?! She killed you!
    2B: I asked her to kill me!
    9S: (stops and sputters) W-w-what?
    2B: By the time I reached her, I was already infected by the Logic Virus, and was in its advanced stages. It was already too late to save me, even for you, and I didn't want to hurt you or anyone else.
    A2: I just happened to be in the area, and was the only one who can listen to her words. I'm still not sure why I heeded her request, though.
    • Really, the blame should go to Pods 042 and 153 as they were already in correspondence by then and could've at least attempted to clarify the situation rather than simply try (and fail) to keep the two apart as long as they could.
    • In the end, A2 felt that things have gone too bitter for her to stick around with the two of them too much, but at least they can encounter one another again without it becoming an incident, especially since YoRHa's purpose and lies are rendered moot with the existence of humans in the Pantheon. By extension, because of this, she has no plans to join Liberion Arcadia (despite their invitation), and she prefers to go solo.
  • Part of her ascension package was her own Pod to allow for the use of the Pod Programs that 042 and 153 possess. Unlike those two however, this Pod has no personality chip and is silent. That is all right with A2, since it was only through 2B's last request that she didn't trash Pod 042 despite getting irritated with him so many times.
  • At first, A2 had been nominated for Cynicism Catalyst, given her past in YoRHa and their betrayal of her and her team, but the Court of the Gods already had another in mind, and her backstory isn't openly known, which counted against A2's legibility.
  • She sometimes wonders what would've happened differently if it had been 9S who reached her first and asked to be slain, and 2B who witnessed it. What would have changed? Nothing, most likely. Either she defeats them, gets the Pods to take them to safety and A2 dies for different reasons, or both die by the other android's doing.
  • Despite not being a member of Liberion Arcadia, she still gets involved with them whenever one of their enemies goes after her; the Vex, Corpus, Sigma, the Cybermen… any enemy of humanity is an enemy of hers.
  • Has some hacking capabilities, though it's only through her Pod, and naturally nowhere near as good as that of a Scanner such as 9S.

Castle Oblivion, Holy Seat of Card Game-Based Combat Systems (C.O., The Land of Departure)

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  • Potential Category:
  • [tup]s:
  • Symbol: a card from its domain
  • Theme: The 13th Floor
  • Alignment: True Neutral, Lawful Evil under Organization XIII's occupation
  • Portfolio: Alien Geometries, Bigger on the Inside, Malevolent Architecture, Creating Construsts Out of Memory Including Living Beings, Laser-Guided Amnesia Even On Written Records, Unexpected Gameplay Change, Mostly White Void Rooms
  • Domain(s): Castles, Memories, Cards
  • Sacred To: Aqua (its creator), Ventus (its protected inhabitant)
  • Known Visitors/Tenants: Sora, Donald Duck, Goofy, Riku, Mickey Mouse, "Ansem", Lea (as Axel)
  • Unholy To:
  • Notes about your chosen dominion

  • It is not known whether the card-based combat system really was from the castle, or part of Naminé's powers, but for this version in the Pantheon, especially since the original has since turned back into the Land of Departure, it will be the former.
  • Given it was Naminé who was responsible rather than the castle, no one has to worry about losing their memories while inside it.
  • With the exception of Aqua, all who are inside Castle Oblivion have most of their abilities (magic, items, summons, and even weapon attacks) constrained by the rules of the Castle, the only exception being one's means of locomotion (running, slithering, flight, levitation, etc.), though teleportation might get nerfed into a card if it's followed up by an attack. This restriction applies even to Greater Gods, so long as they can fit through the doors.
    • Battle parties might end up with most of its members turning into Friend Cards, with only the party leader being the main combatant (and user of the Friend Cards). That's how it goes for parties of at least three, but it's not known just how big a party will have to rely on their singular leader, or if the Castle will allow for in-field allies proportional to the party's size.
    • Advanced techniques get locked into Sleights, which require "stocking" cards together in specific arrangements.
  • That said, there are some things Castle Oblivion has yet to factor:
  • Being a replica of the castle, measures have been made for such
    • Mêlée à Trois battles carry on like any other battle in the castle.
    • Mons-users deploy their Mon, who is then bound by the castle's rules while the tamer is to remain uninvolved except for switching Mons. If the Mon-user is also a fighter, their Mons are stuck as Friend Cards.
    • Card players become strictly bound to their game's rules with no breaking of them.
    • Support Party Members are forcibly barred from directly intervening in battle and (besides providing intel) are only allowed to provide their support when their leader uses their Friend Card.
  • Given just how many kinds of folks are in the Pantheon, Castle Oblivion has special rules in store for certain deities:
    • Multi-Persona-users (e.g. Tatsuya and co., and Wild Cards) can only use one Persona at a time per battle, which can only come out in response to the use of certain Magic or Attack cards, and Sleights with Friend Cards determine what skill they or their Personas can use.
    • Stand Users more or less fall under the same restrictions as Persona-users.
    • -something about Sakura and her Sakura Cards-

  • Also as a carry-over from the original, Castle Oblivion is a confusing place to navigate, and those without teleportation abilities are limited to the White Rooms that can be converted by way of World cards crafted out of a visitor's memories in the form of World Cards, as well as the Entrance/Exit Halls and stairways that connect them. There are two ends to this navigable area, one being a dead end in Basement Twelve and the other being the top floor, which js themed around the castle itself and has a path leading to a room with Memory Pods.

[down][tup] for the new trope of Xehanort's Heartless. Speaking of Ansem, do you think there's a trope he (the original) can take? Maybe something to do with his identity being stolen?

Edited by nightelf37 on Feb 11th 2019 at 11:53:31 PM

If you can't get around it, go through it fast. Personas and Nanos, make 'em here.
yugi195 The Dread Gazebo from on a grassy knoll. Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
The Dread Gazebo
Feb 11th 2019 at 7:45:22 AM

[up] There's Impersonation Paradox. He actually has the distinction of being on both sides of the trope. He impersonates Ansem SoD to interact with Riku in Chain of Memories, despite the fact that Riku still had him inside his heart. Then in Kingdom Hearts 2, Riku impersonates Ansem SoD, who was impersonating Ansem the Wise, while interacting with DiZ, who actually was Ansem the Wise.


So, like I said, Ansem, Seeker of Darkness might not be the best representative for his trope anymore. Might I suggest giving him Late-Arrival Spoiler? The twist that he's not really Ansem and just masquerading as the real Ansem is a major spoiler of Kingdom Hearts 2, but has since become required knowledge to understand the later games since then.

Edited by yugi195 on Feb 11th 2019 at 10:19:35 AM

I'm not good. I'm a gazebo.
Feb 11th 2019 at 9:08:52 AM

@Rmpdc: Why are you giving a trope to an object?

nightelf37 The Keyblade, Mermaid, and Pony Seeker from Hadithi (it's Swahili for 'story') Relationship Status: Brony
The Keyblade, Mermaid, and Pony Seeker
Feb 11th 2019 at 9:14:31 AM

[up][up]I checked Impersonation Paradox, and your claim for Ansem seems to be a little dubious, interesting though it may be.

Oh, and [tup] for the other Ansem's new trope.

Edited by nightelf37 on Feb 12th 2019 at 1:15:03 AM

If you can't get around it, go through it fast. Personas and Nanos, make 'em here.
fasoman1996 Imma gonna teach you a lesson. from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Imma gonna teach you a lesson.
Feb 11th 2019 at 9:15:40 AM

What does Ansem currently have? We did contest his trope before and maybe it wasn't the best in the long run

Angry rat.
CrownlessMimic Lil Red, Lil Red from 80% Rain and Clouds, 20% Sun Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Lil Red, Lil Red
Theriocephalus Beast Man from gimme a map and a moment and I can tell you Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Feb 11th 2019 at 9:33:13 AM

Projectile Webbing's just gone up. I first thought that Spider-Man might be a good fit, but it also occurred to me that he's already got two roles as the god of Spider-Sense and Hero with Bad Publicity, so I wonder if adding a third spot might not be overdoing it.

Thoughts? Is three roles for one person a tad much? Alternatively, are there other candidates that might fit the trope?

Edited by Theriocephalus on Feb 11th 2019 at 11:33:50 AM

Feb 11th 2019 at 9:35:36 AM

[up]Giving a god with three tropes is largely discouraged. Sometimes, even god with two tropes is a bit discouraged if the trope has potential candidates.

Honestly, with Spiderman, from what I know about him, I feel Danger Sense suit him in a long term. I don't know about the latter in regards to him.

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fasoman1996 Imma gonna teach you a lesson. from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Imma gonna teach you a lesson.
Feb 11th 2019 at 9:44:36 AM

[up][up] Why no pick any other of the spiderman-like characters? I feel there is enough room to pick someone that isn't Peter.

So guys, maybe we need to do some cleanup and curating of the Treasures to see what stays and what leaves. Some suggestions, like that gun before, are a bit too generic and boring to consider treasure worthy.

Angry rat.
yugi195 The Dread Gazebo from on a grassy knoll. Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
The Dread Gazebo
Feb 11th 2019 at 9:51:49 AM

[up] I'm up for cleaning the Treasures. The first thing I've come up with that might not be good for the pantheon is The Art of War. How do we feel about that? It's a real-life piece of literature that, unlike The Neverending Story, has no fictional equivalent.

Edited by yugi195 on Feb 11th 2019 at 11:54:29 AM

I'm not good. I'm a gazebo.
Feb 11th 2019 at 10:03:26 AM

I mean you can get dime a dozen weapons from any Arms dealers in the Pantheon. But i agree the Treasure should house important or dangerous Items. Also, maybe remove items that would logically be on a person own hand. Unless we are ok with replicas

Mvs@ Maybe Spider-Girl?

Its funny, there's a lot of tropes that could easily fit a person since they would be the triumph example. Like Superman and Batman.

Gacha Is A Lie.
fasoman1996 Imma gonna teach you a lesson. from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Imma gonna teach you a lesson.
Feb 11th 2019 at 10:09:29 AM

[up][up] I don't have any problem having the Art of War considered it's a commonly referenced book in fiction

[up] I don't know, do the ascended Belmonts always have their own version of Vampire Killer?

First i checked Armory. Removed Onyx blade since it was barren and i have spotted a few iffy profiles. Arm Cannon and Chainsaw are embodiments of two tropes being Arm Cannon and Chainsaw Good. Should we keep those?

Angry rat.
yugi195 The Dread Gazebo from on a grassy knoll. Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
The Dread Gazebo
Feb 11th 2019 at 10:14:10 AM

[up] I mean, Shakespeare plays are referenced in works all the time, too. Does that mean we should have Hamlet as a treasure?

Edited by yugi195 on Feb 11th 2019 at 12:26:49 PM

I'm not good. I'm a gazebo.
fasoman1996 Imma gonna teach you a lesson. from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Imma gonna teach you a lesson.
Feb 11th 2019 at 10:23:56 AM

[up] It's totally doable apparently. Maximum Security has more books like The King in Yellow for some reasons.

That place also has a bit of things that are sentient and we have agreed that if you are sentient or sapient then you aren't allowed in Treasures. Index Librorum Prohibitorum is a huge outlier and i'm a bit iffy on the Life Fibers and Star Dream.

Also Vampire Killer is shown twice.

Edited by fasoman1996 on Feb 11th 2019 at 3:24:23 PM

Angry rat.
yugi195 The Dread Gazebo from on a grassy knoll. Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
The Dread Gazebo
Feb 11th 2019 at 10:28:30 AM

[up] How about Diplomacy? Real board game, no innate magical qualities outside the pantheon.
The sentience rule does have some grey areas. Is the Master Sword no good because it's actually Fi, who is sentient? I imagine there are other examples similar to that.

Edited by yugi195 on Feb 11th 2019 at 12:31:50 PM

I'm not good. I'm a gazebo.
Feb 11th 2019 at 10:38:54 AM

This guy goes up later today.

Barathrum, God of Knockback (Spirit Breaker, Space Cow, Bashlord)

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  • Lesser God
  • Symbol: Barathrum's flail.
  • Alignment: Chaotic Neutral
  • Portfolio: Cycle of Hurting, Epic Flail, Nether Strike, Charge of Darkness, Aform You Are Comfortable With, Horned Humanoid, Lightning Bruiser, Minotaur-like Beast, Noun Verber, Primal Stance, Super-Persistent Predator, Super Speed
  • Domains: Travel, Combat, War, Chaos, Darkness
  • Allies: Rain, The Prince of Persia, Aladdin, The Doomslayer, Hidetora Tojo
  • Rivals: The Champions of Runeterra, Jago, Shulk, Christian Cage, Baine Bloodhoof
  • Opposed by: Simon Belmont
  • It was a normal day in the Pantheon when Razzil Darkbrew was experimenting with a small selection of chemicals that was provided to him by fellow gods, until someone reported an angry bull charging directly at Razzil's position, knocking bystanders away. Razzil and his ogre friend was confused, until they remembered that a certain dire hero was still charging at them when their last battle ended. Though they fled, the bull caught up to them and repeatedly stunned and bashed them until they fell off the nearby cliff. The alchemist and his ogre survived the nasty fall, but it was clear to the Defenders of the Ancients who the attacker was. It was the Spirit Breaker, who had charged across entire planes and dimensions just to get back at the Alchemist for beating him in the aforementioned battle.
  • There are few things that can keep up with the Spirit Breaker while he's charging. One of them is Rubick if he steals his charge, another is Bloodseeker when he smells enough blood... and yet another is a homing missile.
    • The good news is just about any obstacle in the way of his path can knock him out of his charge. It is advised that if chased by Spirit Breaker that you should lay out as many objects in his path as possible to stop the charge.
  • Yes, he does indeed look like a cow. This shape was made during the time he was considered a Tauren in a previous game. While he made some changes afterwards, he maintained some of his original design as a bull still fit the nature of a charging elemental.
    • This also does not mean that he is chummy with Baine Bloodhoof, God of Minotaurs. When Baine first met him, Barathrum was only interested in a test of strength. When Baine managed to overcome the other's strength, he only received an acknowledgement of his skills before the Tauren left. Baine is much friendlier to hang around than the brash and chaotic Spirit Breaker. This does not mean the elemental wouldn't call for his aid when he is in the mood for some trampling.
  • Fighting game deities in general have both revered and feared his mechanic. Some use it to extend their combos while others use this at the sole means to win games. It is with that reason that many of their ilk were glad to see him ascend.
  • Rain turned Knockback into an art fort. His Roundhouse Kick are capable of launching people across to the other side of the screen. He was honored to have someone with similar talents in the Pantheon.
  • Jago used to be the God of Combos, but his main specialty was to prevent knockback with the Combo Breaker. Once he lost the former title, his knockback stoppint abilities became a bane for combos. As such, Spirit Breaker maintains a beef with the warrior.
  • The Prince used Knockback as a way to get around certain enemies who were in the way of his Wall Run. Of course it can go both ways as even the slightest pushback can leave a ledge out of reach.
    • Likewise with Aladdin in regards to SNES Game. In this case, knockback helped him gain full control of his movements to the point that some players would do so on purpose in order to complete a level.
  • The Doomslayer was one of the earliest implementers of the mechanic in regards to shooter games. The One-Man Army had to learn just how powerful each gun of his was as well as the effect on each enemy as their weight affected how far they were pushed back.
  • Shulk has a rather mixed reception for the deity. While he can use this to defeat enemies much faster, they can do the same to him. Thus is especially annoying in boss fights as boss characters are immune to knockback.
  • Simon Belmont was not a fan of the creature's return. Many a campaign of his were ruined when face with Medusa Heads when bottomless pits were behind him.
  • There are reports that he serves a yet to be revealed master in the background. There has been speculation as to who this person or being might be. It could very well be someone who has already ascended in the Pantheon or one who is letting Spirit Breaker test the waters before making an appearance.
  • Hidetora Tojo was pleased to bring over one of his potential followers into the Pantheon... even though Spirit Breaker has no time for the battle between good and evil. The Unskilled but Strong God has been advised not to pet Spirit Breaker lest he sees it as and insult and chases him to the end of days.
  • Christian is pretty much the opposite; His pronounced technical skill in combat is hindered by his poor strength. Spirit Breaker decided to test the wrestler in a cat and mouse chase. Christian was able to avoid the elemental long enough for his partner Edge to save him.
  • "I'll break their spirits and their backs."

Feb 11th 2019 at 10:48:34 AM

Yugi@ Fi already ascended. I think my first treasury was the Witchblade which is a living being. Sad there's no way to bring in the current host.

Gacha Is A Lie.
yugi195 The Dread Gazebo from on a grassy knoll. Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
The Dread Gazebo
Feb 11th 2019 at 10:53:55 AM

[up] My point was that the Master Sword is Fi, and Fi is sentient. If Fi wasn't in the pantheon, would the Master Sword still be good for the Treasures? I'm sure there are other treasures that are similar.


The Idiot Ball should probably be removed, even though I think it's hilarious.

Edited by yugi195 on Feb 11th 2019 at 12:57:15 PM

I'm not good. I'm a gazebo.
nightelf37 The Keyblade, Mermaid, and Pony Seeker from Hadithi (it's Swahili for 'story') Relationship Status: Brony
The Keyblade, Mermaid, and Pony Seeker
Feb 11th 2019 at 11:00:08 AM

Most items under Narrative Device will have to go. Including the Omniscient Morality License.

Speaking of the Idiot Ball, what trope can Wheatley ascend for?

If you can't get around it, go through it fast. Personas and Nanos, make 'em here.
yugi195 The Dread Gazebo from on a grassy knoll. Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
The Dread Gazebo
Feb 11th 2019 at 11:06:10 AM

[up] I've considered using the Sugar Bowl as a treasure for the MacGuffin. We could try finding other items in fiction representing various narrative devices to replace the generic ones already in Narrative Device.
As for Wheatley, Feigning Intelligence might be good.

Edited by yugi195 on Feb 11th 2019 at 1:22:18 PM

I'm not good. I'm a gazebo.
CrownlessMimic Lil Red, Lil Red from 80% Rain and Clouds, 20% Sun Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Lil Red, Lil Red
Feb 11th 2019 at 11:25:05 AM

[up][up] Either Know-Nothing Know-It-All or Ignorant of Their Own Ignorance is my guess, assuming they're not taken or reserved.

Odore odore!
fasoman1996 Imma gonna teach you a lesson. from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Imma gonna teach you a lesson.
Feb 11th 2019 at 11:27:23 AM

While Index definitely needs to be to booted out of the treasures, should the same happen to Life Fibers and Star Dream?

Angry rat.
yugi195 The Dread Gazebo from on a grassy knoll. Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
The Dread Gazebo
Feb 11th 2019 at 11:38:48 AM

[up] Both seem to be too self-aware to not be considered sentient.

I'm not good. I'm a gazebo.
Feb 11th 2019 at 11:43:56 AM

I believe there needs to be a certain amount pf Life Fibers to be truly alive.

Gacha Is A Lie.

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