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Where in the House of Narrative should I put A2 for Not What It Looks Like?
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for the new trope of Xehanort's Heartless. Speaking of Ansem, do you think there's a trope he (the original) can take? Maybe something to do with his identity being stolen?
Edited by nightelf37 on Feb 11th 2019 at 11:53:31 PM
There's Impersonation Paradox. He actually has the distinction of being on both sides of the trope. He impersonates Ansem SoD to interact with Riku in Chain of Memories, despite the fact that Riku still had him inside his heart. Then in Kingdom Hearts 2, Riku impersonates Ansem SoD, who was impersonating Ansem the Wise, while interacting with DiZ, who actually was Ansem the Wise.
So, like I said, Ansem, Seeker of Darkness might not be the best representative for his trope anymore. Might I suggest giving him Late-Arrival Spoiler? The twist that he's not really Ansem and just masquerading as the real Ansem is a major spoiler of Kingdom Hearts 2, but has since become required knowledge to understand the later games since then.
Edited by yugi195 on Feb 11th 2019 at 10:19:35 AM
@Rmpdc: Why are you giving a trope to an object?
I checked Impersonation Paradox, and your claim for Ansem seems to be a little dubious, interesting though it may be.
Oh, and for the other Ansem's new trope.
Edited by nightelf37 on Feb 12th 2019 at 1:15:03 AM
What does Ansem currently have? We did contest his trope before and maybe it wasn't the best in the long run
@nightelf37 I think A2's trope falls under Narrative Structure.
Right now it's As Long as There is Evil.
Projectile Webbing's just gone up. I first thought that Spider-Man might be a good fit, but it also occurred to me that he's already got two roles as the god of Spider-Sense and Hero with Bad Publicity, so I wonder if adding a third spot might not be overdoing it.
Thoughts? Is three roles for one person a tad much? Alternatively, are there other candidates that might fit the trope?
Edited by Theriocephalus on Feb 11th 2019 at 11:33:50 AM
Giving a god with three tropes is largely discouraged. Sometimes, even god with two tropes is a bit discouraged if the trope has potential candidates.
Honestly, with Spiderman, from what I know about him, I feel Danger Sense suit him in a long term. I don't know about the latter in regards to him.
Why no pick any other of the spiderman-like characters? I feel there is enough room to pick someone that isn't Peter.
So guys, maybe we need to do some cleanup and curating of the Treasures to see what stays and what leaves. Some suggestions, like that gun before, are a bit too generic and boring to consider treasure worthy.
I'm up for cleaning the Treasures. The first thing I've come up with that might not be good for the pantheon is The Art of War. How do we feel about that? It's a real-life piece of literature that, unlike The Neverending Story, has no fictional equivalent.
Edited by yugi195 on Feb 11th 2019 at 11:54:29 AM
I mean you can get dime a dozen weapons from any Arms dealers in the Pantheon. But i agree the Treasure should house important or dangerous Items. Also, maybe remove items that would logically be on a person own hand. Unless we are ok with replicas
Mvs@ Maybe Spider-Girl?
Its funny, there's a lot of tropes that could easily fit a person since they would be the triumph example. Like Superman and Batman.
I don't have any problem having the Art of War considered it's a commonly referenced book in fiction
I don't know, do the ascended Belmonts always have their own version of Vampire Killer?
First i checked Armory. Removed Onyx blade since it was barren and i have spotted a few iffy profiles. Arm Cannon and Chainsaw are embodiments of two tropes being Arm Cannon and Chainsaw Good. Should we keep those?
I mean, Shakespeare plays are referenced in works all the time, too. Does that mean we should have Hamlet as a treasure?
Edited by yugi195 on Feb 11th 2019 at 12:26:49 PM
It's totally doable apparently. Maximum Security has more books like The King in Yellow for some reasons.
That place also has a bit of things that are sentient and we have agreed that if you are sentient or sapient then you aren't allowed in Treasures. Index Librorum Prohibitorum is a huge outlier and i'm a bit iffy on the Life Fibers and Star Dream.
Also Vampire Killer is shown twice.
Edited by fasoman1996 on Feb 11th 2019 at 3:24:23 PM
How about Diplomacy? Real board game, no innate magical qualities outside the pantheon. The sentience rule does have some grey areas. Is the Master Sword no good because it's actually Fi, who is sentient? I imagine there are other examples similar to that.
Edited by yugi195 on Feb 11th 2019 at 12:31:50 PM
This guy goes up later today.
Barathrum, God of Knockback (Spirit Breaker, Space Cow, Bashlord)
Yugi@ Fi already ascended. I think my first treasury was the Witchblade which is a living being. Sad there's no way to bring in the current host.
My point was that the Master Sword is Fi, and Fi is sentient. If Fi wasn't in the pantheon, would the Master Sword still be good for the Treasures? I'm sure there are other treasures that are similar.
The Idiot Ball should probably be removed, even though I think it's hilarious.
Edited by yugi195 on Feb 11th 2019 at 12:57:15 PM
Most items under Narrative Device will have to go. Including the Omniscient Morality License.
Speaking of the Idiot Ball, what trope can Wheatley ascend for?
I've considered using the Sugar Bowl as a treasure for the MacGuffin. We could try finding other items in fiction representing various narrative devices to replace the generic ones already in Narrative Device.
As for Wheatley, Feigning Intelligence might be good.
Edited by yugi195 on Feb 11th 2019 at 1:22:18 PM
Either Know-Nothing Know-It-All or Ignorant of Their Own Ignorance is my guess, assuming they're not taken or reserved.
While Index definitely needs to be to booted out of the treasures, should the same happen to Life Fibers and Star Dream?
Both seem to be too self-aware to not be considered sentient.
I believe there needs to be a certain amount pf Life Fibers to be truly alive.
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