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  • Adaptation Displacement: The success of the series meant that the Teen Titans are Robin (specifically, Dick Grayson), Cyborg, Starfire, Beast Boy, and Raven as far as most of the public is concerned. The comics have been around since the 1960s and have had dozens of members throughout the years, but good luck finding many people who recognize any outside the core five from the TV show. Most subsequent adaptations try to mimic this show's roster as a result, only swapping out a character or two.
  • Adaptation Distillation: Adapts and distills many elements from the Wolfman and Perez age of the comics along with some elements from both before and after that period.
  • Alternative Character Interpretation:
    • Terra. Some fans see her as a wonderful person who is constantly misunderstood and persecuted (often times they are also Beast Boy/Terra shippers), or as a horrible bitch who betrayed the Titans and deserved what she got at the end of Season 2 (usually Beast Boy/Raven shippers). Few people realize what she was actually meant to be: a Broken Bird and Anti-Villain with complicated motives and very deep emotional issues. So she's a normal 15-year-old girl. Albeit one with geokinetic powers.
      • Also, in "Things Change", does Terra truly have amnesia? Does her subconscious mind remember and is keeping her conscious mind from remembering too? Or does she fully remember on a conscious level and is just pretending not to remember? Is she even really there?
    • Val-Yor from the episode, Troq was seen smiling as he left Earth. Was he smiling because he is relieved to leave a planet full of Tamaranean sympathizers who called him out for his Fantastic Racism and smirking for being better then them? Or was he really, deep down, thankful that Starfire saved him and is slowly changing his views? Or is he still racist against the Tamaraneans, but proud of the Titans for standing up for their friend?
    • The writing of the season 3 episode "The Beast Within" is terribly inconsistent about what's actually going on, including the question of how much of or even whether Beast Boy's ugly behavior is actually his own fault.
      • And while we're on the subject, can somebody explain the Man-Beast, what it is, how it works, and why Adonis was one, too, please? 'Cause the fans certainly aren't in agreement.
    • In "Birthmark", Raven’s ability to stop time. Was it just a “birthday gift” from Trigon that she could only use once on that day, or is it a power she always has, but can only use while feeling very intense emotions (such as the extreme fear and panic she was no doubt feeling when her friends were about to die)?
    • In "Troq", Cyborg replies to Starfire's question of whether he's been judged because of his looks with "Of course I do. I'm part robot". Did he mean that at face value and he is discriminated against more for being a cyborg more-so than because he's black, or did he not mention racism due to Starfire's naivety towards Earth culture?
    • In "Go!", after Robin frees Starfire and she kisses him to learn English, she tells him "If you wish not to be destroyed, you will leave me alone!" and flies off. Was she saying this as a threat, or as a warning about what the Gordanians would do if they saw them helping her (which the Gordanians eventually try to act on)?
  • Angst? What Angst?:
    • It's revealed in the tie-in comic that Starfire's parents died after she was sent away as a slave by Blackfire to the Gordanians. This isn't brought up at all in the episode she returned to Tamaran. Granted, the comic came out after the episode aired, but watching it again, it becomes particularly jarring considering that Starfire displays no form of grief. Blackfire's lack of grief is justified. Fanon for this seems to be either that Starfire's parents were so distant that she never really knew them (which given that they were royals and what we know of their culture, might make sense) or that they sold her into slavery in the first place (with or without Blackfire's prodding). There is also some consensus that she considers her Parental Substitute seen in the fake wedding episode and his wife (if he has one) to be her true parents.
    • Beast Boy has several examples.
      • During "The Beast Within" Robin decides to subject Beast Boy to a full police interrogation to figure out what happened to Raven after they disappeared from the tower. Nobody ever brings up how the Titans were one hundred percent willing to assume the worst of him, or how Beast Boy's episode is a blatant example of There Are No Therapists.
      • Also from "The Beast Within", Cyborg suggests that Beast Boy's DNA is decomposing, which is a condition that almost assuredly means death... but not only is the implication ignored by everyone in the room, literally the first thing out of Beast Boy's mouth is a question about Raven's recovery.
      • Beast Boy's history with Terra is one of the most heartbreaking things to happen to the team, and yet he only ever angsts about it when she's relevant to the plot. The rest of the time, there's practically no sign that she had any impact at all.
      • Everything to do with the Doom Patrol, which was introduced in Season Five and introduced a huge retcon into Beast Boy's history — Beast Boy had always been rather free-floating as the show's local Crouching Moron, Hidden Badass, so the idea that he's actually been a Military Brat who would rather save lives than follow orders the whole time is downright bizarre. Even Cyborg and Raven privately muse about it.
      • The tie-in comic also confirms that Garfield's parents died in Africa when he was a little boy. This gets even less treatment than the matter of the Doom Patrol.
  • Ass Pull:
    • Cyborg gaining regenerating powers and invulnerability by hacking Brother Blood in the season 3 finale come out of nowhere as a kind of Deus ex Machina, and are subsequently Handwaved as being "a one-time deal".
      • He also got a spontaneous boost during the fight with Atlas when he's suddenly and inexplicably able to surpass the built-in limits of his hardware.
    • In "Birthmark" Raven says that Robin knows her better than anyone. While the two have similar personalities, Robin was actually the Titan Raven had the least interaction with up to that point. Anytime the two spoke it tended to be a brief interaction, while Raven had several episodes devoted to her relationships with the other Titans. The relationship between the pair played a big role in the season 4 arc, but the writers treated it as something that had already been established, which wasn't the case. This might, "might" being the key word here, be an allusion to the events of Haunted wherein she briefly mind-melded with Robin and got a glimpse of his past with the implication being that during this, Robin got to see her past as well. The set up however isn't exactly well executed since that after that sequence they still shared very little meaningful screen time; and comes off like an Ass Pull anyway as a result.
    • The second Man-Beast in "The Beast Within", which swoops in at the last minute to absolve Beast Boy of any potential guilt he might have over the episode's events.
  • Audience-Coloring Adaptation:
    • Several things ranging from character design to characterization itself were later implemented into the actual comics, with varying results. Also, if you were to ask someone today about the Teen Titans comic mythos, they're much more likely base it on their knowledge of the show.
      • For some specifics: take Cyborg and Raven. The former's popularity in this show (and a few other factors outside of it) have carried over into the comics and even boosted him all the way up to becoming a founding member of the Justice League come the New 52 launch. The latter a little less so, but after this show portrayals of Raven have skewed much closer to this show than her original comic appearances in terms of combative powers and physical appearance, going as far to have her reborn as a young teen after decades of being as old as Dick/Nightwing.
    • This has caused problems with Starfire's reception as a character, as her cartoon self and her comic self are radically different, causing her comic-self to be widely disliked by a large number of fans who were introduced to the series through the show. While both Starfires are loving, affectionate action girls who are always there for their friends that's about where similarities end in terms of personality. Cartoon!Starfire is a Naïve Newcomer, Funny Foreigner, who speaks in somewhat broken English and has trouble fitting in due to her vastly different culture. Comic!Starfire is a hot headed Bruiser with a Soft Center who is both a very liberated young lady who isn't nearly as shy or awkward as her cartoon self, speaks perfect English, as well as being very sexually active by American standards and is a major case of Ms. Fanservice. She is also easily enraged and much more prone to violence than her cartoon self. When New 52 tried to emphasize her original incarnation's darker characteristics at least part of the backlash was from people who grew up with the cartoon counterpart, and were confused as to why she was so drastically different. note  Also of note is her physical appearance. Her cartoon appearance portrayed her as a very skinny young woman with small, but still noticeable curves. Her original comic incarnation was so curvy that several other Titans affectionately and jokingly referred to her as "Balloon Bod."
      • After the backlash against the writing of Starfire's character in New 52 became too much DC wrote her out of Outlaws and gave her her own series. In it her physical appearance and attire is much closer to her cartoon counterparts' appearance. Her personality became something of an amalgam of her Pre-New 52 personality and her cartoon personality, and her English skills are somewhere in between the two previous incarnations. Arguably she has now become the Titan who is most like her cartoon self.
    • Comic-verse Beast Boy's inexorable slide into shallow Crouching Moron, Hidden Badass can largely be traced back to this show. He has also aged down after slowly aging up since the 90s, and his alias has reverted after going by "Changeling" for decades, even during the Wolfman/Perez run.
  • Awesome Music:
    • Mumbo's "Master of Your Fate".
    • Terra's theme (especially the rendition that plays during her run through the obstacle course) is pretty darn awesome.
    • Everything from the "Aftershock" and "The End" multiparters.
    • The third act of "Masks" has some of the most ominous background music in the show. Special mention goes to Slade's first full appearance, and then his first real fight with Robin.
    • Here's one that doubles as a Funny Moment: When there's trouble you know what to dooooo... CALL CYBORG! He can shoot a rocket from his shooooe... CAUSE HE'S CYBORG! Nananana, something like that! Doodadoodah, BIG FLUFFY CAT! (That's right!)
    • The climax of the episode Haunted is perfectly spine chilling.
    • Blink and you'll miss it, but when the Titans make a comeback during the big fight in the Grand Finale Titans Together, a badass instrumental orchestral remix of the main theme song plays.
    • The song "Raining Down on the Fourth of July Parade" in the episode "Revolution".
  • Badass Decay:
    • Brother Blood. Even though his power level actually seemed to go up with each appearance, his personality became increasingly hammy, petulant, and single-mindedly obsessed with Cyborg, which noticeably hurt his overall effectiveness as a villain.
    • Also very observable with the HIVE kids. In their first couple of appearances, they're the Evil Counterpart team to the Titans and can fight them evenly (and beat them without too much trouble if they play their cards right), but as time goes on they become complete jokes to the point that Jinx, who remained the most competent, finally jumped ship and became a hero.
  • Big-Lipped Alligator Moment:
    • Slade's entire appearance in "Forces of Nature", where he not only creates a giant fire monster for no reason other than pure destruction (though this was primarily to divert the other four Titans while he could face Robin one-on-one for the first time), but displays several magical abilities that he never uses again.
    • Terra (maybe) moving icecubes in one scene in "Things Change". This is never explained or brought up again.
  • Bizarro Episode: At least once per season, with such episodes being telegraphed by use of the Japanese opening. Mad Mod's episodes fall into this, as do "Fractured" in Season 2, "Bunny Raven" in Season 3, "Don't Touch That Dial", "Employee of the Month" and "Mother Mae-Eye" in Season 4, and "Revved Up" in Season 5.
  • Broken Base:
    • The show draws flak from some fans of the original comics for its frequent, yet inconsistent less-than-serious tone, its Animesque nature, and the many differences between the heroes in the comics and their cartoon incarnations (like animated Raven's exaggerated Gothiness and animated Starfire being less aggressive and more naive). In addition, the physical appearance of the characters in the animated series is profoundly different than that of the original comic book series which (despite its title) depicted the Titans as being in their 20snote , with Starfire and Raven being arguably the two characters most noticeably "kiddified" for the animated series.
    • Season 5 as a whole tends to be divisive with the fandom. Some loved the focus on both new and old supporting characters while others hated it, and felt the series should have concluded with Season 4 as originally planned. The Series Finale, "Things Change" is especially a sore point among the fandom: some fans see it as a disappointing Cliffhanger ending for the series that should be resolved, while others believe the episode's message about accepting change was a perfectly fine note to end on.
    • The series was notorious for its Robin/Starfire vs. Robin/Raven fandom war. It got so bad that stating your preference was a quick way to make enemies. There were even little online cultures around the ships—Robin/Starfire fandom tended to consider themselves more well-adjusted than the alternative, whereas Robin/Raven fandom often considered themselves more mature due to the complex nature of their fandom.
    • Whether the more serious episodes or the more comedic episodes are superior.

    C - D 
  • Can't Un-Hear It:
    • After this show, there's a very good chance you'll be imagining Khary Payton as Cyborg, Tara Strong as Raven, Greg Cipes as Beast Boy, Scott Menville as Robin, and Hynden Walch as Starfire when you read the comics. The same goes for Ron Perlman as Slade/Deathstroke.
    • Particularly Khary Payton as Cyborg, having reprised the role in several other media after this series and seems to have become the de facto voice.
  • Captain Obvious Reveal: In "Trust", it's pretty obvious that Madame Rouge was disguised as Hot Spot in the end, due to how "he" conveniently appeared without having his powers activated.
  • Complete Monster: While Lighter and Softer than the comic, whenever these two show up, the tone darkens significantly:
    • Slade—never called "Deathstroke the Terminator" here—was a cold, manipulative criminal mastermind. Slade's main goal throughout the series was to find himself an apprentice whom he could mold into being just as cruel and ruthless as he was. First targeting Robin, Slade came up with various schemes to test the Boy Wonder's mettle before finally infecting Robin's friends with nanobots that would destroy them from the inside out should Robin not follow Slade's every command. When his plans for Robin were thwarted, Slade next turned his attention to Terra. Taking advantage of her status as an outsider who would never be accepted because of her destructive powers, Slade manipulated her into joining and befriending the Titans, betraying them and finally trying to kill them. After Terra finds herself in over her head while fighting the Titans and retreats, Slade physically abuses her for defying his orders. When Terra tries to quit her apprenticeship, Slade reveals that the suit he gave her to enhance her powers also gave him complete control over her body and vowed that he would never let her go. Though Slade dies when Terra rebels against him, he is eventually resurrected by the demonic Omnicidal Maniac, Trigon, to act as the demon's dragon. Slade took a vicious pleasure in his work towards ensuring the apocalypse, mind raping Raven with visions of her destiny as the Antichrist and selling out all of humanity to Trigon in exchange for Trigon giving him back his soul. Even when Slade rebels against Trigon, it isn't out of altruism, but because Trigon refused to honor their bargain.
    • Trigon the Terrible himself, father of Raven, had conceived her solely to serve as a Human Sacrifice to become his portal into the realm of mortals so that he could destroy the Earth and all life on it, just as he did to Raven's homeworld of Azarath; Raven has been repressing her powers and emotions in order to avoid letting this come to pass. After Slade died in season 2, Trigon rescued him from Purgatory and offered him his life back were he to serve him in bringing Raven to her destiny. Trigon later comes to Raven in a vision, emotionally abusing her and cruelly attempts to break her will so that she submits to his demands of her. When Slade asks for his promised payment, Trigon calls the deal off because, thanks to Trigon's own manipulations, Raven had come to him willingly rather than Slade delivering her to him, and Trigon attempts to incinerate Slade on the spot. Trigon then destroys the world immediately as he arrives, turning all mortal life to stone and creating a Hell on Earth for him to reign over. He then plots to expand this destruction to all worlds in the dimension so that he could conquer the universe and all would worship him as a deity, and when the Titans fight back, he not only brings out their own dark sides to torment them for his amusement, but he tries to murder his daughter, whom he openly deems to be worthless.
  • Crack Pairing: In-universe, we have the Official Couple of Kid Flash/Jinx. While both characters are adapted from the comics, their ship isn't, and it's extremely unlikely to ever happen there, whether the Kid Flash is Wally or Bart.
  • Creepy Awesome: Raven and Slade. Raven gets less creepy as the show goes on, while Slade gets more creepy as the show goes on.
  • Critical Dissonance: Season 5 was one of the most, if not the most, well-received season among critics and fans of the comics, who felt its tighter continuity, introduction of new characters such as Kid Flash, and more serious tone made it just as good, if not better, than the previous season. Among fans of the show, it's the most polarizing season for some of the same reasons.
  • Crossover Ship:
    • It's not uncommon to find Teen Titans crossover pairings, especially ones with Raven. Some the most popular Teen Titans crossovers are Terra×Ben 10, Raven×Danny Phantom, Raven×Zuko, Raven×Ben 10, and Megara×Speedy.
      • The Ben 10 and Raven ones are especially strange when you consider that the original, young Ben was also voiced by Tara Strong, the voice of Raven.
      • Considering the Relationship Writing Fumble on the latter series, Terra and Ben 10 is also kinda weird, since Gwen in Ben 10: Alien Force was voiced by Ashley Johnson, who voiced Terra.
      • Beast Boy is also getting shipped in the archives, especially in harem fics.
    • Raven×Naruto pairings are pretty common.
    • Though not as common as with Raven, Starfire has also been paired with Danny Phantom.
  • Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy: In the third season episode "The Beast Within," it's hard to side with almost any of the Titans when they all grabbed the Jerkass Ball and their actions only worsens the episode's situation.
  • Die for Our Ship:
    • Terra is not hated for her betrayal as much as she is hated for getting in between Beast Boy and Raven. Even though Word of God states there was nothing there but a close friendship.
    • Also, Robin/Raven fans towards Starfire.
  • Draco in Leather Pants:

    E - F 
  • Ending Aversion: The last episode, "Things Change", is generally seen as a disappointing finale. This is because half of it is spent on Padding as four of the Titans fight a random shape-shifting monster, while the main plot involving Beast Boy investigating Terra's rebirth raises several questions only to ultimately leave all of them unanswered.
  • Ensemble Dark Horse: Quite a lot, despite their limited appearances:
    • Blackfire has a pretty sizable fanbase, most likely due to her voice, her figure and her outfit.
    • Kid Flash only showed up twice, but he's very well-liked by the fans. Being a suave, witty gentleman might have something to do with it.
    • Red X is especially impressive. He's a character original to the animated series, and he only appears in two episodes, in only one of which is he a headlining villain. We never learn anything of his background; not even his real face, but the fandom fell in love with him precisely for those reasons. It also helps that he's a suave Gentleman Thief
    • Jinx is incredibly popular, particularly in Lightspeed, so her Heel–Face Turn was met with open arms.
    • Argent. She only appears for a brief amount of time but has a lot of fans.
    • Mumbo was said to be a one-off character created for the show, but a positive fan reaction influenced further appearance. Being voiced by Tom Kenny probably helped.
    • Despite being an original character for the show and having no lines, Kyd Wykkyd has amassed a group of fans for his stoic and mysterious demeanor. It's to the point where he's only surpassed by Jinx as the most popular H.I.V.E. member.
    • Mas Y Menos, Sí Podemos! Despite being original characters created only for the show and used mostly as comic relief, they were popular enough to end up in the comics.
  • Epileptic Trees: Some people theorize that this series is a prequel the DC Animated Universe for a few reasons:
    • Robin looks to be about 16, while he was in college by the time Batman: The Animated Series. It's also possible that by then, he and Starfire might have broken up. He also still has a positive relationship with Batman.
    • Kid Flash is voiced by Michael Rosenbaum, who voiced the Flash in Justice League. Later on, it is revealed that the Flash was Wally West, who previously took the mantle of Kid Flash before succeeding Barry Allen.
    • Speedy makes a cameo in Justice League Unlimited with Mike Erwin reprising his role.
    • An episode of Static Shock mentions that the Titans exist in the DCAU.
    • Deathstroke never appeared in any DCAU show, despite being one of DC's most well-known villains.
  • Evil Is Cool:
    • Slade. He's a detestable person, but so awesome at being bad that it gets him a big fanbase.
    • There's also Red-X, although he's more of an Anti-Hero.
    • This series actually managed to turn Killer Moth into a badass Evil Genius. He creates an army of moths that nearly has him ruling the world, and fights the Teen Titans without the need of any effort. Even his costume is cool.
  • Evil Is Sexy:
    • Jinx, Rouge, and Blackfire. Additionally, some found Terra's outfit to be sexy when she turned evil. Even Slade has a reasonably large fangirl following, too! In his case, it's thanks to his voice.
    • Fangirls can also say for Red-X, even though his face was never shown.
  • Fanon Discontinuity:
    • Some fans choose to ignore Season 5, either entirely or up until the Ambiguous Downer Ending.
    • The episode Deep Six gets this due to some fans viewing the Titans (Raven and Starfire, in particular) as acting out of character.
    • Some fans would rather ignore The Beast Within due to the Titans' mean-spirited Jerkass Ball and the Idiot Plot.
  • Fan-Preferred Couple: The three biggest pairings in the fandom in approximate order of popularity are Robin/Starfire, Beast Boy/Raven, and Robin/Raven. They have had varying degrees of staying power in the fandom over the years, but the latter two have both been recognized as fan-favorite Fanon pairings and have influenced other DC properties (including Teen Titans Go! and the DCAU).
  • Fandom-Specific Plot: There are many fanfics where Terra being a local school girl in one episode is explained. Usually it is that Terra had amnesia after being frozen in lava and started going to school in the city. There is always a Raven/Beast Boy/Terra love triangle. Another extremely common plot is to put them in a High School AU. Which is odd since the show was almost explicit that Terra was choosing to forget.
  • "Funny Aneurysm" Moment:
    • Robin to Mother Mae-Eye: "You are not my mother."
      • And all of Raven's scenes in that episode. This is the only time she has ever had any parental figure who mothers her at all.
    • Also, the use of Dr. Light in the series, if you know the things he did elsewhere... Also counts as a Continuity Nod Because in Identity Crisis they partially damaged his brain in the process of the mind wipe, making him even weaker than he originally was.
      • Later, Dr. Light appears, and Raven Mind Rapes him.
    Raven: Remember me?
    Dr. Light: [appears terrified] I'd like to go to jail now, please.
    • On the other hand, this may be Fridge Horror, because he may be having subconscious flashbacks to the first time he was Mind Raped. And he remembers the fear and the damage to his mind, but he doesn't know what's going on.
    • But then again, Raven threatening to Mind Rape him in "Birthmark", and the show playing it for laughs, becomes this again in light of Slade Mind Raping her at the end of the episode.

    G - H 
  • Genius Bonus:
    • In "Haunted", when Raven goes through Robin's memories, the very last one is a circus, with two shadows on the wall falling downwards. Should give you a hint as to which Robin he is.
    • Also when 'Larry' shows up he gives his real name. It's backward but when the marquee wraps around behind him we see it front ways.
  • Growing the Beard: Towards the end of the first season, with the episode "Masks".
    • "Nevermore" departed from the standard fare superhero/supervillain conflicts of superhero shows by focusing on the dynamics between three characters trying to find common ground even though their personalities were in conflict. This would be a running theme throughout the series producing fan favorite episodes such as "Fear Itself" and "How Long is Forever?" with a contrast expressed in the origins episode "Go", showing how far the team's relationship has evolved in contrast to when they first met.
  • Harsher in Hindsight:
    • In "Troq", Cyborg said he knew what it was like to experience prejudice, since he was a robot. Some fans said this was a cop out when he's also black. But when we see "Go!", the origin episode, he clearly expects to be hated just because he's a cyborg freak, usually hides his identity as one, and is surprised when Beast Boy actually thinks he's cool. And when you consider that most of the robots we see actually are evil, and that him being viewed as a freak for being a cyborg was a theme in the comics, it actually makes sense.
      • Anna Diop, the actress who plays Starfire in Titans (2018), found herself a victim of very real racism and slurs for being a black woman playing a character who traditionally has orange skin.
    • In How Long is Forever? Cyborg says that Starfire's friends "Aren't friends anymore," and the villain of the episode, Warp, says that history cannot be changed, so Starfire's friends would still drift apart. Fast forward to Teen Titans Go!, and the way the Titans act can give off the feeling that they aren't friends in the slightest.
      • And also applied to the bleak future for the Titans of the episode predicting the tragic fates of many Titans in comics with Garth's death in Blackest Night, the transformation of Roy Harper into Arsenal after the loss of his arm and his daughter in Cry For Justice, and the break up between Starfire and Robin. Not to mention both its contemporary run during and after the premiere of the show being either Broken Base or Seasonal Rot.
  • Heartwarming in Hindsight:
    • In "Sisters," Starfire asks if the fireworks at the fair mean that the Gordanians are invading Earth. Robin reassures her that it isn't. They met when Starfire was escaping a Gordanian prison ship as a "prize" for her captors, and the original five teens teamed up for the first time to fight for her freedom and become a team.
    • The climax of "Nevermore" is Beast Boy and Cyborg fighting the Trigon/Angry Raven in Raven's head to give her a chance to unite all her emotions and defeat her angry doppelganger. In the season four finale, Cyborg, Starfire and Beast Boy Hold the Line and distract the real Trigon so that Robin can find Raven and save her.
    • Raven is utterly terrified when Slade returns in season four and he implies that her friends will be terrified of her, only for them to rally around her when they learn of the prophecy. Then they insist she hide out in a safe room they made for her while they Hold the Line against Slade.
  • Hilarious in Hindsight:
    • Epileptic Trees identifying Red X's Secret Identity as Jason Todd, in light of the appearance of Jason coming Back from the Dead in the comics and in the DC Universe Animated Original Movies as the Red Hood. Also, in connection to that theory, Red X briefly flirted with Starfire. Now, with Red Hood and the Outlaws, she and Jason are working together.
    • Cyborg and Robin's conflict over leadership of the Titans in the end of Season 3 becomes this when, in Young Justice, Aqualad (also voiced by Khary Payton) becomes the leader of the team instead of Robin. For a while, anyway.
    • In "Deception", Beast Boy sarcastically asks about dressing Cyborg like a washing machine for an undercover mission. Guess what Cyborg's stealth mode in Lego Batman 3: Beyond Gotham was?
    • In "The Beast Within", Beast Boy suggests he might take on the name Beast Man only to be promptly shot down by Raven. In the New 52, a future incarnation of Beast Boy is actually known as Beast Man.
    • In "Forces of Nature", Beast Boy plans to prank Cyborg in retaliation for "put red dye in my shampoo". In the New 52, Beast Boy was changed from being green to red for a time.
    • In an early episode of Season One, Beast Boy and Cyborg win Raven a giant stuffed chicken, which she snarks about and later abandons at the first sign of trouble. In Season Five, it turns out she's allergic to the bird.
    • The Season 4 finale has Raven be turned into a young child. Her actress in the upcoming live-action Titans (2018) is the youngest of the main cast.
    • At one point in "Crash" while Robin, Starfire, and Raven are talking, a virus-ridden Cyborg can be heard in the background repeatedly chanting "waffles".
  • Hype Backlash: The constant praise for the show by its fans has created unreasonable expectations that newcomers feel it can't live up to. The vitriolic disdain those same fans have for Teen Titans GO only serves to further the idea that the show is viewed through Nostalgia Goggles.

    I - M 
  • Idiot Plot:
    • The main conflict in "Car Trouble" could've potentially been avoided entirely if Gadgeteer Genius Cyborg put more anti-theft measures into his high-tech Cool Car beyond a simple Club lock.
    • Season 3's "Revolution" focused on the idea of "who's in charge of the Team when Robin is out of commission." Which itself isn't that bad of an idea if not for the fact that up until this point, Cyborg had always been treated as the unquestioned Number Two of the team and the others would defer to his judgement when Robin was unavaible or compromised. Naturally Cyborg, Raven, and Beast Boy all ended up holding both the Idiot Ball and Conflict Ball to make this episode work.
  • Inferred Holocaust: The opening to "Aftershock Part II" has a still-frame of Terra using her powers to conquer the city, with civilians running and screaming. The city looks like a war-zone by the time she's through, and Slade later says that Terra has done "unforgivable things". It's never stated outright, but Terra most likely killed a bunch of people at Slade's behest that day.
  • Jerkass Woobie: Raven may be snarky towards her teammates, but considering how she’s the daughter of Trigon and has spent her entire life knowing that she exists solely to bring about doom and destruction to the world, it’s hard not to feel sorry for her.
  • Launcher of a Thousand Ships:
    • Raven is commonly seen shipped with Robin, Beast Boy, Cyborg, Red X, Starfire, Terra, Slade, or others. It's hilariously parodied in this fanfiction.
    • Also, Robin, who is frequently shipped with Raven and Starfire, but also shipped commonly with Slade, Red X, Beast Boy, and most other guys in the series. To go a little further, he's the Launcher of a Thousand Ships for most if not all of the DC universe.
  • Love to Hate: What most fans love about this version of Slade is how utterly cool he is at being evil, this being the most depraved iteration of the character ever. Here, he is completely stripped down of his Noble Demon qualities from comics, is successfully avoided the Anti-Climax Boss even when he got defeated, and after his return from the dead, he got even more depraved, to the delight of his fanbase. Bassicaly, the more evil he gets, the more popularity he gains.
  • Memetic Molester: This version of Slade is commonly seen as an Ephebophile by fans - for both boys and girls. It doesn't help that the dialogue at the climax of "Haunted" comes across as creepily sexual in nature, nor does it help the ending for "Birthmark" is effectively an allegory for rape. Not to mention that it's implied he watched Robin change into his new costume at the end of Apprentice - Part One, or that Deathstroke did have a sexual relationship with the underage Terra in The Judas Contract.
  • Memetic Mutation:
    • "Titans, Go!"
    • "Evil beware, we have waffles."
    • "Don't laugh. You have to EAT the unicycle."
  • Misaimed Fandom:
    • Terra falls into both types. She's supposed to be a morally gray character, someone who made horrible mistakes because of the pains of her past, but wasn't pure evil. Instead, she has people vehemently condemning her as a purely evil irredeemable psychopath and equally vehemently worshipping her as a blameless martyr who deserved far better than she got from the other Teen Titans. Ironically, the former interpretation of her being a psychopath was her character in the original comics.
    • On a show to show basis, the show itself when its controversial comedic successor is brought into discussion, with detractors of the latter complaining about the lack of continuity, characterization, drama, action, and animation style, in addition to being much more straight up comedic. What they may not realize is that these are very similar to the complaints made against this show for not existing within the DCAU proper and having a more animesque art style, taking various of liberties with a lot of characters and their depictions and having a more light-hearted and idealistic tone than the comic series it was based off of. The Terra storyline in particular was toned down in terms of both her role and fate.
  • Moe:
    • Starfire, hot alien babe and considering her age, is very cute! She also has a kind nature and naivety about Earth culture.
    • Jericho is a male example. Just look at how cute he is!
  • Moral Event Horizon:
    • Slade crossed it in "Apprentice" when he infects Robin's teammates with nanobots that would slowly and painfully kill them from the inside out unless he acts as Slade's apprentice. And if he didn't cross it before, Slade definitely did throughout season 2, where he manipulated Terra into turning on the Titans, as well as psychologically and physically abused her. That's not even mentioning him gleefully mind raping Raven as Trigon's dragon in season 4.
    • Malchior in "Spellbound" convinces Raven to break his curse using a classic sexual predator technique; preying on her despair and loneliness.
    • Blackfire counts for trying to kill her own sister without remorse in "Betrothed".
  • Most Wonderful Sound: Terra's Leitmotif prior to her Face–Heel Turn.

    N - R 
  • Narm: Trigon is serious but his oft-used symbol looks like an evil number 5.
  • Nausea Fuel:
    • Starfire eating Silky's cocoon and really liking the taste of it, both for the audience and implied In-Universe.
    • Kitten and her boyfriend Fang, whose head is a giant spider, making out. Though it does show that Kitten at least isn't shallow.
  • Never Live It Down:
    • Starfire was shown drinking mustard once. It's common for it to be referenced in fan works. She is, however, shown at several points later with a bottle of mustard with a straw in it in the background, even if she's not actually in the process of drinking it.
    • Dr. Light's very first reappearance has him (understandably) still so scared of Raven that her appearing to be on the edge of another demon-mode outburst makes him surrender immediately. Nobody ever remembers that by the next appearance from that, he's gotten over it, to the point that when she attempts to intimidate him into immediately surrendering again, he nonchalantly blasts her.
  • Older Than They Think: More than a few story threads, most notably Terra.
    • Some fans find it hard to believe that this Robin is intended to be Dick Grayson, arguing that his more brooding, obsessive, and morally questionable behaviors (especially in season 1) are more in line with Jason Todd or Tim Drake. Reading back through the original New Teen Titans comics, however, this is exactly what Dick Grayson was like, especially in the issues leading up to him quitting being Robin and becoming Nightwing—the Runaways/Scarapelli arc featured the exact same "Robin pushing everyone away to work on a case while Starfire attempts to get him to open up more" plot thread as "Masks".
  • Periphery Demographic: Despite ostensibly being a kids show, Teen Titans (similar to the DC Animated Universe, but not to the same level as the animated continuity) is very popular among teens and adults due to its good action, clever writing, and surprisingly mature themes.
  • Relationship Writing Fumble:
    • Season 4 made a big deal of the fact that Robin and Raven are supposed to have one of the closest relationships of the team, to the point of being surrogate siblings. The problem? The prior three seasons almost never have the two interact one-on-one. The best evidence towards any closeness is the whole "Raven entering Robin's mind after he goes crazy due to Slade's psycho-dust" incident.
    • Raven and Beast Boy were always supposed to be purely platonic friends — Platonic Life-Partners at the most. Instead, especially in the third season, their interactions come off as almost a Slap-Slap-Kiss-type budding romantic relationship, with Raven the tsundere and Beast Boy the Dogged Nice Guy. It's the biggest reason why they're the top Fan-Preferred Couple. (Word of God says they're supposed to be Like Brother and Sister. Word of God ALSO says they're supposed to be Like an Old Married Couple.)
  • Replacement Scrappy: Brother Blood in season 3 wasn't nearly as badass and threatening as his predecessor Slade.
  • Ron the Death Eater:
    • Jinx gets a lot of flak from the fanfic writers for having "betrayed her friends" and turned on the HIVE Five. Never mind the fact that they were villains who repeatedly committed theft and put human lives in danger, that the HIVE Five weren't really her friends (except maybe See-More, the only one who even seems to express sorrow at the possibility of her leaving) and were explicitly depicted as inconsiderate and lacking in any sort of drive or passion... no, to the fans, the mere fact that she was a part of their group and left constitutes a heinous crime deserving of bashing. This is an unusual example of this trope, because it's usually unambiguous heroes like... well... Ron himself that get the Death Eater treatment, not a villainess who performed a Heel–Face Turn.
    • Terra can be both this and Draco in Leather Pants due to fluctuations between good and evil.

    S - T 
  • Ship Mates: Robin/Starfire - Beast Boy/Raven is the most common example. There is also Beast Boy/Terra - Robin/Raven or Robin/Raven - Beast Boy/Starfire. Robin/Starfire - Beast Boy/Terra also exists, though probably to a lesser extent. Kid Flash/Jinx is very commonly shipped alongside any of these combinations. Cyborg usually gets paired with Bumblebee, though he is occasionally paired with Jinx, creating another (much, much smaller) battle between Cyborg/Jinx and the (far more popular) Kid Flash/Jinx. For a while, Robin/Starfire - Beast Boy/Terra - Cyborg/Raven fics were very common.
  • Ship Sinking: Beast Boy and Terra in the finale.
  • Ship-to-Ship Combat:
    • Beast Boy/Raven vs. Beast Boy/Terra is the big one. The Robin/Raven ship occasionally does smaller but still intense battle with both Robin/Starfire and Beast Boy/Raven.
    • Even exists in-universe, as witnessed in "For Real", which is most likely a Take That! to the fans, considering the pairings mentioned (BB/Star and Aqualad/Bumblebee) seem designed to go against the established Fan Preferred Couples.
  • Ships That Pass in the Night: Blackfire/Red X is rather popular, and not only have they never met but both characters only appear in a handful of episodes each.
  • Spiritual Licensee: As noted on the main page, the series has a tone closer to the Young Justice comics than the comic it was based on thanks to its mix of comedic and dark storylines. It was even pitched as a Young Justice series. Became Hilarious in Hindsight when an Young Justice series was created and ended up being closer in tone to the original Teen Titans comics.
  • Squick: Occasionally invoked:
    • Kitten and Fang's kiss in Date With Destiny.
    • Starfire's appetite for Silkie's cocoon.
  • Stoic Woobie: It's hard not to feel sympathy for Raven but she keeps to herself.
  • Strawman Has a Point:
    • While Beast Boy's jerkish behavior to his teammates in "The Beast Within" is uncalled fornote , he was right in calling Raven out on how she picks on him and insults him, and the lack of respect he receives at times from the others. It helps that we get examples of this during the fight with Adonis.
    • Starfire criticizes Robin at the end of "Masks" for pretending to be the villain Red X and deceiving his teammates in order to fool Slade. She's portrayed as being in the right. However, Robin makes a good point when you think about it; had they known he was Red X, they almost certainly wouldn't have attacked him convincingly and his cover could have been blown easily. (Of course, Slade knew the entire time who Red X was, but Robin's point still stands.)
    • The episode "Spellbound" shows that Raven has genuine worries about not being able to connect with others because of her interests, best exemplified by her reaction to Beast Boy calling her "weird". The viewers are supposed to be sympathetic to Raven about her isolation but most of that is her own doing as she actively refuses to join the others in their fun when offered and makes no attempt to reach out to her friends to address the problem. In fact, the other Titans are never seen to be put out by her hobbies, just the fact that she refuses to socialize even a little with them.
  • Suspiciously Similar Song: The verses of the theme song are these to "Secret Agent Man" by Johnny Rivers.
  • The Scrappy: Mento is by far the least liked member of the Doom Patrol. Mainly due to his high strict standards and poor treatment of Beast Boy. Also for his arrogance in refusing the Teen Titans help in fighting the Brotherhood of Evil, which would have gotten his entire team and family killed had it not been for the Titans ignoring his orders. When the character somewhat returns in Season 3 of Young Justice, he is presented in a considerably less favorable light.
  • They Changed It, Now It Sucks!: While the results were ultimately good, some fans were still left disappointed in comparison to the original comics, or heck, the main DC universe that had really pushed the bar in terms of animation and overall comic book adaptation. In spite of several serious storylines, there were notable changes made for a more kid friendly show, such as Terra being less of a straight-up villain, or Big Bad Slade being stripped of any sympathetic motivations, which were all one thing, but the anime-ish pratfalls seemed outright pandering if not outright narm-y.
  • They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character:
    • Immortus has a very cool character concept — that they did nothing with.
    • Blackfire only appeared in two episodes and we never find out why she's so antagonistic in the first place!
    • Red X, despite his popularity, almost NOTHING about him is revealed, or how he got the suit Robin used.
    • Slade, in spite of making the most appearances of villain in the show, has very little revealed about who he is or even what his long term goals besides gaining an apprentice and dominating the city. It's especially bad that even after he achieved his aim after the fourth season, he almost never appears in the fifth so the Brain can take the spot as the Big Bad.
    • Jericho. He's Slade's son in the comics but it wasn't even alluded to in the cartoon. Although this may have been explored if the show got more seasons.
    • Classic Titans villain Psimon makes a couple cameo appearances in the last few episodes. Anyone familiar with the Teen Titans comics, or the Young Justice TV show, knows that this is WAY too cool and dangerous of a villain to be left to a mere cameo.
    • Kyd Wykkyd was one of the most interesting HIVE students: mute, having a Batman-esque costume and his odd demon like powers that were somewhat similar to Raven's. They did jack all with him.
    • The Man-Beast form showed up a total of three times during the show's duration, the first two during its original episode.
  • They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot:
    • On a more basic level, Starfire has a deep backstory, yet she never got a season devoted to her own growth the way the other four did (with Robin and Beast Boy getting two in that they tied in to Raven and Terra's growth respectively), while the most growth we got from Starfire was her relationship with Robin.
    • Another example is Robin and Beast Boy's personal relationship with each other. Throughout the show we see them developing stronger bonds with the other members, but their relationship with each other is neutral at best and tense at worst. There's never an episode where they develop a stronger bond together... though there is that episode where Robin seriously threatens to send Beast Boy to jail.
      • Especially since the Doom Patrol episodes give them the perfect common ground. The closest we see of them coming together is when they team up to individually take out Brain and Monsieur Mallah in the penultimate episode of the series.
    • Terra's betrayal (aka the Judas Contract). In the comics, Terra was part of the team for dozens of issues prior to turning on the Titans. In the show? She had just three appearances prior to the episode in which she betrays them: her debut episode, her joining of the team five episodes later, and a non-speaking cameo in the episode after that. It's believed that this was the result of budgeting issues not allowing for a regular cast of six main characters, but it is still disappointing that Terra having a significant tenure as a Titan is at best implied through only a voiceless cameo and a single flashback.
    • Robin's transformation into Nightwing is only alluded to once in the series. Despite his interest in becoming said hero, nothing ever becomes of it.
    • It's never explained why Robin left Batman. While it's implied they had a falling out, "The Apprentice" shows (albeit indirectly) that Robin still has a lot of respect for Batman and considers him his father.
    • Whether or not it's romantic, Beast Boy and Raven had one of the most complex relationships in the show... and they never managed to reach a real understanding.
  • Tough Act to Follow: While the final season is not considered outright bad, it is still seen as inferior when compared to the extremely well-received fourth season. In particular, the Brotherhood of Evil is rather difficult to take as the serious threat they're positioned as when they're coming off the heels of Trigon.
  • Toy Ship: Beast Boy and Terra. OK, so they're not kids, but they're still two of the youngest characters in the show.

    U - W 
  • Ugly Cute:
    • Silkie might as well be the team mascot.
    • There's also those little egg-headed aliens that worshiped Raven.
    • And Monster!Starfire from the episode Transformation.
    • Blackfire and Glgrdsklechhh's babies in The New Teen Titans.
  • Unintentionally Unsympathetic: Robin during the interrogation scene in "The Beast Within". The episode is trying to portray him as being forced to have the hard conversation regarding Beast Boy's new inner monster, except that hard conversation involves Robin threatening to send Beast Boy to jail for a crime that he assumes has happened but lacks a shred of concrete evidence for. That Beast Boy is convinced Robin's right doesn't help, nor does the fact that Robin prevented Starfire from going to Beast Boy during a spike in his stress.
  • What Do You Mean, It's for Kids?: To an extent. On the whole, the series was pretty kid-friendly overall, but it did have moments of this at times with storylines involving the end of the world, Blackmail when Slade threatens to kill the Teen Titans unless Robin becomes his apprentice, and a few instances of Mind Rape. Not to mention Raven's demonic heritage would make some religious parents and viewers scared.
  • What Do You Mean, It Wasn't Made on Drugs?:
    • Any episode with Mad Mod and Employee of the Month, where the Villain of the Week was a cube of alien tofu that was stealing cows to fuel his starship and wanted to blow up Earth after he had enough cows.
    • And then there's Larry... Having Larry interrupt the theme song tends to be the writers' way of pre-lampshading this.
  • WTH, Costuming Department?: Either you like the long-haired Nightwing from "How Long Is Forever" and take it as his official future look...or you absolutely hate it and use the fact that it's from a Bad Future that was undone as an excuse to never acknowledge it again.
  • The Woobie: Plasmus. The poor guy's incapable of controlling his sludge monster form whenever he's conscious, essentially has to be kept in an artifical coma for his entire life to stay human, and in his only speaking role, he's visibly terrified of what he'll do to people when he's awake.

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    A - B 
  • Accidental Innuendo:
  • Alas, Poor Scrappy: The fate of Marvin and Wendy in "Teen Titans #62". Yes, they were annoying. No, they did not deserve to be brutalized by Wonder Dog, who kills Marvin and leaves Wendy comatose and paraplegic.
  • Alternative Character Interpretation: Terra. A sociopath who could not be helped, or a broken little girl who got mixed up with the wrong people and let her emotions get the better of her? Did she truly think the Teen Titans were her friends, even a little bit? Did she have feelings for Garfield? Terra 2, and her Black Lantern version, seems to have supported the alternate views. Also, was she hoisted by her own petard by accident, or did she commit suicide with the intention of doing so? Was she evil at heart, or did she just hate the hypocritical "goody two-shoes" nature of the Titans? Was her death fueled by drugs, contaminated drinking water, or was it natural?
    • This is also another instance where the ambiguity only came later. Terra's evilness was the whole point of her character, and the narration during her death says, in no uncertain terms, that no one taught her to hate but herself.
      • Just prior to Final Crisis, there was a one-shot published that seemed to insinuate that Terra's psychotic behavior was the result of being drugged by Deathstroke (ala his kidnapping and brainwashing of Cassandra Cain).
  • Arc Fatigue:
    • Titans Hunt, a complex and long story. It began with their members being kidnapped and Deathstroke hired to rescue them. Then we get a new villain society, a cheap Wolverine expy, a flying sheet, an unneeded trip to Russia, Cyborg turned into a complete robot, a new team of Titans from the future trying to kill Troia, and so on, and so on...
    • The Culling in the New 52. The book's first 8 issues (most of a year) were built to get to this crossover with Legion Lost, and at the end they don't even manage to defeat the bad guy.
  • Author's Saving Throw: These periodically show up every few years or so. Some went over better than other.
    • The Wolfman Era:
      • Kory was forced into a political marriage during Crisis on Infinite Earths, but after she returned to Earth to be with the man she loved (Dick Grayson), her marriage was ultimately explained to be a glorified peace treaty and not a "traditional" marriage, presumably because the iconic Dick and Kory relationship being an act of adultery was a bit too much.
    • The Johns' era.
      • John Bryne's unpopular erasure of the Doom Patrol's past was undone thanks to a battle with Superboy Prime.
      • Resurrecting Jerico with his original, pre Heel–Face Turn personality.
      • Both Rose Wilson and Cassandra Cain's bouts of insanity were explained away by Deathstroke drugging them during Johns final arc on the title, with Cassandra restored during it.
      • Cutting down on the number of mentor titans after fans complained and making Robin the leader of the team post One Year Later.
  • Base-Breaking Character:
    • Several major female characters introduced under Marv Wolfman's pen have become this for lurching back and forth between sympathetic moral ambiguity and straight-up Cartoonish Supervillainy, which leaves fans arguing about how these characters should be interpreted and where they fall on the Sliding Scale of Antagonist Vileness.
      • Tara "Terra" Markov, whose Heel–Face Turn quickly became a "personal project" of Garfield Logan's. Despite her abrasive Too Cool for School attitude and very dubious backstory, she was determined to insinuate herself within the ranks of the Titans and learn everything she could about them, which was a blatant red flag for everyone not named Garfield. On the other hand, as she would sporadically open up to the Titans herself, whenever she did receive the trust of her allies, notably Kid Flash and Cyborg, she was always subject to surprisingly innocent disbelief. She tread that fine line until The Judas Contract, which saw her make good on her spying as both a traitor and Deathstroke's bedmate (contrasting her newly romantic intimacy with Garfield). During the final showdown, the sight of Slade (apparently) betraying her inspires her to go Jumping Off the Slippery Slope and she brings the house down... inadvertently on herself. Even in the midst of the narrative and some Word of God accusing her of being both pure evil and crazy, there's still a very distinct element of a lost little girl looking for love. Hell, her sympathetic traits resulted in her being so popular that the fan perception of her Face–Heel Turn led to death threats against the creative team.
      • Raven, who famously struggled to fight off her father's evil influence, only to inevitably collapse under the pressure and become evil herself. The interesting issue is that both major incarnations of "Evil Raven" are actually different characters. The first is the Soulless Shell of Raven's body serving as one of Trigon's People Puppets, and serves as Trigon's herald (Raven's real personality in the form of her soul-self was absent); the second was Raven's soul-self after undergoing The Corruption and becoming a Depraved Bisexual and Horny Devil, whose plan was to bring her deceased brethren back to life by essentially impregnating victims with "Trigon Seeds" — soon, Raven's plans expanded to include using the alien Psions to assault and ultimately destroy the planet of Tamaran. It was eventually revealed that this second Evil Raven was being vaguely manipulated and ultimately defeated by a leftover "good" portion of Raven's soul hiding in Kory's body (who forgave her after all was said and done).
      • Cheshire, who is notable for being a starker, more extreme take on the pattern established by Terra. Cheshire was a mercenary, in a Love Triangle with both Slade and one of the Titans (Roy Harper, in this case), with a confused but poignant moral streaknote ... who then gets a big arc in the pages of Deathstroke with both men in her Love Triangle, in which she also goes Jumping Off the Slippery Slope during the climax, and nukes the nation of Qurac to prove she can be one of the "big players".
      • It should be noted here that early commentary by Wolfman indicates Terra was cast as the true villain of The Judas Contract to make his Creator's Pet Deathstroke look better, which given the similarities seems to have been the same motivation behind Cheshire's behavior in the 90s. Gail Simone, a later writer, takes the position that the Qurac bombing indicates Cheshire is a sociopath who loves her children so long as it's useful to her.
    • Cassie Sandsmark/Wonder Girl II. Many like her, others outright hate her. There's no middle ground.
    • Bunker from the New 52 Titans - some hate him for his too-perfect attitude, but many others claim that at least he wasn't an asshole like everyone else at the time.
      • Same goes for his friend Skitter.
    • Damian Wayne, the current Robin, both the pre-Flashpoint and Rebirth era with some liking him and others hating him. It's not helped by the fact that he's considered a Base-Breaking Character in Batman as well.

    C - D 
  • "Common Knowledge": Thanks to the animated series introducing an entire generation to the Teen Titans, many fans will commonly refer to the main five characters used in the show (Robin, Starfire, Cyborg, Raven and Beast Boy) as being the "classic" lineup. This despite the fact that this core lineup has never actually existed outside animation — the only time all five members were on the team together was in the early Wolfman-Perez era, and even then it had Wonder Girl and Kid Flash on top of that. In reality, the Teen Titans have had dozens of different members that would go in and out, and there would be entire runs without any of the "Big Five". Even when DC brought back the Teen Titans to capitalize on the show, the lineup was still different what it portrayed (It started with Cyborg, Starfire and Beast Boy, and it had a Robin — but that was Tim Drake, and it also featured Superboy, Kid Flash II, and Wonder Girl II on top of that). It's so ingrained in the minds of the public that stories that don't feature close recreations of this lineup will inevitably be criticized for it.
  • Complete Monster:
    • Trigon the Terrible, the Archnemesis Dad of Raven, is an interdimensional demonic overlord who reigns over an empire where countless souls are kept in horrible bondage. Slaughtering the very cult responsible for his birth, including his mother, Trigon would go on to brutally conquer his entire dimension. Trigon has sired many children across the centuries, destroying any who dare to oppose him. Seeking to expand his dominion to Earth, Trigon took the form of a handsome man and impregnated a woman named Arella, revealing his true form and taunting her afterwards. After his daughter Raven's birth, Trigon would make numerous attempts to subjugate her to his will. When she refused to join him, Trigon destroyed her home world, Azarath, before corrupting Raven's soul and launching a campaign of destruction on Earth, forcing Raven to do battle with her own friends. During his invasion of Earth, Trigon reduced the island of New York to a graveyard, fusing the bodies of four million inhabitants together as part of an ever-growing spire of writhing, tormented souls. Trigon ultimately intended to merge Earth with his own dimension, happily condemning billions of lives to annihilation. Willing to exterminate entire worlds to make an example, and with trillions of deaths to his name, Trigon is the most terrifying and wicked foe the Teen Titans have ever faced.
    • Captain Zahl battled the New Teen Titans when he and his army joined Madame Rouge's attempted conquest of Zandia. Under Zahl's direction his men massacred thousands of Zandia's expat inhabitants, and captured the Titans, subjecting them to the horrors of his Devolving Pit.
    • In New 52, Trigon is a being born of celestial blasphemy who willingly absorbed the collected evils of a hundred galaxies contained within the Heart of Darkness to become a supremely powerful demonic overlord. To spread his evil, Trigon would pull women from various universes into his realm, rape them, and send them back to their universes to give birth to his demonic spawn, often leading to the women's death. Through these means, Trigon brings about the ruination of countless worlds as his brood destroy everything in their path. Conceiving a daughter, Raven, with a human woman named Arella, Trigon intends to corrupt her into becoming his heir by having her cut a swathe of terror throughout his realm; aside from her, Trigon disregards his other offspring, considering them disappointments. Attacking New York City, Trigon and his sons wreak havoc, and even possesses the Teen Titans into turning on each other, all as part of a ploy to ingratiate Raven into the Titans and allow her to conquer Earth in his name.
  • Creator's Pet:
    • Danny Chase was universally loathed by fans within a few issues of his first appearance. He was a Cousin Oliver (he even looked like the original Cousin Oliver) introduced to make the team seem younger, as he was only in his early teens while everyone else was pushing 20. Despite his age, he constantly argued with the other members of the team, criticized them, was supposed to be a genius superspy teenager with telekinetic powers, but then went crazy with fear whenever an actual fight took place. And when Dick was distraught at the death of Jason Todd, Danny said it was no big deal because Jason 'knew the risks'. The only people who didn't seem to grasp how loathed this character was was writer Marv Wolfman who, to this day, still insists it was the readers' fault for not "getting the character," and Linkara, who calls Danny his favorite Titan in his look at the Titans history in 2013.
      • As a tip, in a series about costumed superheroes with codenames, whose fans presumably enjoy reading about costumed superheroes with codenames, having a character who continually goes on about how lame costumes and codenames are and how he's too cool for a costume or codename probably isn't going to go down too well.
      • It also hurt that Marv Wolfman had no idea how to write a telekinetic to complement the Titans' diverse power set. Chase's powers were mainly shown to be (at best) extremely limited: at best he could levitate himself (but only while sitting Indian-style) and throw small objects around at bad guys to annoy them. Jean Grey he wasn't; this combined with his wussy behavior during combat, made him practically useless in battle. As bad as Cypher was power-wise, at least he had training in hand-to-hand combat and was willing to take a bullet for his teammates when necessary.
    • Deathstroke was also Wolfman's Creator's Pet for most of his run. When George Perez left The New Teen Titans, Wolfman had free reign over Deathstroke's character, and it seemed that he had no objectivity where he was concerned. In a very jarring, sudden turn of events, Deathstroke became a Karma Houdini for his actions, his earlier characterization forgotten and now established as an Anti-Villain who bore the Titans no ill willnote  turned Anti-Hero, being Easily Forgiven and becoming a father-figure and friend of the Titans, including his biggest victims Nightwing, Changeling, and his own son Jericho who was rendered mute because of him. Wolfman has also stated repeatedly that he never saw Deathstroke as a villain, but as a victim of circumstance stuck in a bad situation, whose actions (including sleeping with a teenage girl) weren't truly his fault.
    • Wolfman made extensive use of The Wildebeest, giving him had no less than three personal arcs, but the Wildebeest's design was an absolute favorite of editor Jordan Peterson's, who wanted Wildebeest to figure both into the tenth anniversary event that became Titans Hunt and even have a Wildebeest character join the heroes.
    • The second Wonder Girl, Cassie Sandsmark, was felt to be this after she became team leader in Teen Titans volume 3. While talked up as a leader by the writers, Cassie didn't really do all that much and more page time was often given to her acting obnoxiously condescending or being a Jerkass to her boyfriend. Fans also felt insulted when Felicia Henderson brought Beast Boy back to the team: Rather than give him his leader role back, Henderson had Cassie continue to be leader while lacking any character development, while the older and more experienced Gar was demoted to obnoxious comic relief and treated as if he were younger.
  • Cry for the Devil: Persuader, when she's finally reunited with her father and he's killed by Clock King right in front of her.
  • Designated Villain: Steve Dayton in the opening of Burning Rage #4, for having closed his privately-owned theme park to allow the main characters (his son Garfield Logan and friends) free use of it for Gar's birthday... and for shutting everybody else out. Now, while the guy could've handled how he closed the park better — it's ambiguous whether his refund of the already paid-for tickets was decided on the spot or automatic — it was entirely out of line for Starfire to knock the front gates down to let the crowds storm in, because she doesn't like 'bullies'. Forget Steve Dayton "not appreciating" Starfire's actions, Starfire's lucky he didn't slap her with a lawsuit.
  • Die for Our Ship:
    • Beast Boy (Changeling)/Raven vs. Beast Boy/Terra (or Terra II). Fans of the former hated there being a second Terra so much that they actively wished death on the character (they got their wish). Fans of the latter still clung to the hope that Raven would be deep-sixed for even the third Terra, citing that she would make "more sense", getting them hate from Terra III/Power Girl fans. After both later Terras were written out of continuity, the shipping competition has since been reset to being between the first Terra and Raven.
    • Barbara Gordon for the Dick Grayson/Starfire shippers. Within Titans comics, Starfire is portrayed as his one true love... just as Barbara is over in the Batman comics. And from the 90s onwards, Dick was branded and written as much more of a Batman character note . To say that pairing's shippers are not happy is putting it mildly.
  • Dork Age:
    • The '90s hit the Titans like a truck, and then backed up to rub it in. The franchise was swollen with difficulties until about 1998, when it finally decided to start Revisiting the Roots and sprouted off both The Titans and Young Justice.
    • Many Geoff Johns helped derail the team into a longer-lasting era of poor quality, if not being the main cause. Opinions over this vary a lot more, and whether the Dork Age began in Johns' own run or not, but Felicia Henderson's part of Volume 3 is seldom ever liked.
    • None have been yet so reviled as Deathstroke's team of mercenaries, under Eric Wallace and Fabrizio Fiorentino. Compared to the levels of Wangst and Gorn any previous book may have had, Wallace somehow managed to turn it Up to Eleven.
    • The New 52 Teen Titans are this in spades, to the point of being mocked in-universe by other creators. The first series was cancelled two and half years into its run, incidentally also driving the final nail into DC's Young Justice line, which at one point included teen heroes from three different comic universes. Unlikable characters, a lack of consistent pacing and logic, excessive fight scenes, Executive Meddling, enough dropped subplots and characters to drive even die-hard fans away, drastic changes to once popular characters that turned them toxic, and just weird creative choices (such as incorporating elements of Grant Morrison's Doom Patrol for some reason, but only on a superficial level) has this era branded as one of the worst in Titans history. It was relaunched with a new creative team, but this series didn't fair much better, for the same reasons as the first, and limped along until DC Rebirth, when a new Teen Titans series was launched. Said series implicitly references the New 52 Teen Titans and jabs at how much they sucked.
    • The New 52 era was also a big Dork Age for the original Teen Titans. The only characters who initially existed were Nightwing and Arsenal, and Arsenal had his own problems, and it was explicitly said that this team did not exist as the Teen Titans. Garth would later be introduced as an infant, meaning he wouldn't be in any shape to be Aqualad or Tempest... before being reintroduced again as a racist Atlantean. Donna Troy was reintroduced as a man-hating version of Wonder Woman who was killed. And Wally West was reintroduced years down the line as a Race Lifted 13-year-old delinquent with essentially none of the traits of the original Wally and loads of Unfortunate Implications surrounding his character. Needless to say, none of these changes were popular, and the original generation of Titans got the shaft big time. Dan Abnett would later Retcon the hell out of the team, saying that there was an original Teen Titans, and removing the negatively received traits of Garth and Donna, while DC Rebirth would bring back the Pre-New 52 Wally West.
    • The Ben Percy run on Rebirth-era Teen Titans is also frequently considered this, which started with Damian kidnapping his teammates and demanding they join him, the Titans inexplicably tolerating his lousy attitude and treatment, a painfully flanderized version of Beast Boy, and Raven and NuWally being Strangled by the Red String.
  • Draco in Leather Pants:
    • Deathstroke and the original Terra mostly share this reception.
    • The '80s villain Eric Forrester has also gotten this treatment from a few fans and fanworks, despite the fact that he only wanted the power of Raven's soul-self and didn't really love her, as well as attempting to rape her. His supporters use the in-story reasoning that Eric was trying to save his humanity with his using of women for their souls, while turning him into a misunderstood nice guy that should date Raven.

    E - F 
  • Ensemble Dark Horse:
    • Beast Boy, Kid Devil, Miss Martian and Ravager, especially in the 2000s books.
  • Fan Nickname: Femto for New 52 Raven.
  • Fandom Rivalry: With the Batman fandom over Nightwing. A big part of it comes from the shipping wars regarding whether Dick should be with Starfire or Barbara Gordon, but beyond that, it's the idea of what kind of character Dick should be and what the Titans mean for his character. Some like the idea of Dick finally separating himself from Batman to become his own hero with the Titans, being the kind of hero Batman isn't in the wider DCU. Others like the idea of Dick finding himself with the Titans, then returning to the Batfamily and being recognised as Bruce's greatest ally and true heir.
  • Fanon Discontinuity: While there are numerous examples, one that stands out in particular is the case regarding Titans #23 by Eddie Berganza, which acted as the final issue before Eric Wallace took over. Primarily a filler issue, it basically rewrote the Fab Five's friendship as a case of Roy being a nuisance they barely put up, while also revealing he had asked Donna to marry him. However, a premonition from Lilith Clay warning Donna that her redheaded husband would die led to Donna turning him down. Also, the Titans apparently knew beforehand about Roy's heroin addiction and once found him strung out in his Speedy costume before Robin told him "get help or get out." This issue blatantly ignored everything about the Fab Five when they were younger and it was clear Eddie Berganza had no idea what he was doing, or most likely it's a case of they needed to fill the gap before the new direction. Nearly every fan of the Titans and of the Fab Five choose to pretend this story never happened. It was just that bad.
  • Foe Yay: Cheshire with both Roy Harper, the first Speedy, and Thomas Blake, aka Catman. She once propositioned Catman during a battle, not long after having hired two hit squads after him.
  • Franchise Original Sin: A recurring lament of the fanbase is the franchise perennially de-aging the Titans regulars to keep them attached to the title, but this goes back at least as far as The New Teen Titans, which knocked the Changeling down a few years to become the junior member of the team, despite this series taking place "a few years" after his Titans appearances in the 60s and 70s, where he's indicated to be their peer.

    H - J 
  • Hilarious in Hindsight:
    • Thia, the evil Titan of the sun, redesigned herself as a powerful businesswoman, as seen in The Origin of Lilith. She had a firm named "Sun publishing Inc.". This firm has absolutely no relation with the Sun Publishing Company, and nobody implies that this later company is led by an evil witch that sets people on fire at a whim.
    • In Titans: Sell-Out Special, the Titans realise that someone has done an animated TV show about them titled Teeny Titans. Eleven years later... or twenty-one years later...
  • In Name Only: The New 52 team gets accusations like this for some of its characters.
    • Wonder Girl had zero connection to Wonder Woman until her father was revealed to be demigod from the Greek pantheon. She's completely unaware of this, though, so there's still no reason why she calls herself Wonder Girl beyond trademark purposes.
    • Solstice received an overhaul that rendered her unrecognizable and left her with vague energy and shadow based powers. This despite being a brand new character.
    • The New 52 version of Tim Drake is probably the most recent and biggest example of this for fans. For instance, his main role in the book is to be the expo speak guy who's a blatant Expy of Nightwing from the classic series, including the latter's Casanova approach towards women and winged costume. He also now has "Tim Drake" as an assumed name after being an idiot and bringing the Penguin's wrath down on his family, he didn't figure out who Batman was, has almost no down-to-earth ties anymore, and largely acts like a stupider, less sensitive parody of his former character. Instead of being a computer genius, his backstory was also tweaked to have him as a former athlete (which some believe furthers the Nightwing similarity, as Dick was an acrobat).
    • And then we learn the origin of Bart Allen a.k.a. "Bar Torr", a villainous and murderous revolutionary from the future with no connection to the Flash Family at all. To say that fans of Impulse were pissed would put it lightly.
  • It Was His Sled: Terra being The Mole, and her general sociopathic nature. That arc is one of the most well-remembered arcs in the comics run, one of the most influential arcs in comic book history, and it helped make the series so popular in the 80s. When a kids comic spoils this in the characters first appearance, you know that its his sled. The cartoon adaptation helped renew this spoiler, thanks to Terra's popularity (though that Terra was vastly different from the original Terra).
  • Just Here for Godzilla: The third Titans ongoing features the original Wally West, returned after not existing for the entirety of the New 52, and he has memories of the Pre-Flashpoint timeline. Needless to say, he's probably why Titans sells as well as it does.

    L - O 
  • Launcher of a Thousand Ships: Raven, who has had ships of various quality with Wally West, Joseph Wilson, Dick Grayson, Koriand'r, Garfield Logan, and been shipped with numerous other Titans besides.
  • Magnificent Bastard: "X": Red X is a self-proclaimed thief looking out to be "number one." After stealing the selfsame suit Robin used to don under his nose, Red X tracks down a Xenothium scanner with the Titans hot on his trail in his first appearance. When cornered, Red X displays quick-wittedness, keen awareness of his surroundings, and mastery of his gadgetry. On the way to the Xenothium Ore vault to repower his suit, he takes down the Titans one-by-one, quickly and efficiently, including using Robin as a decoy for the security done while he slips by unscathed. When Professor Chang reveals his hand, Red X appears in the episode's climax to save and team up with Robin, getting back at Chang by personally destroying his disintegrator ray. When Robin reveals he stole his utility belt in the crossfire, Red X takes defeat with grace and retreats. In "Revved Up", Red X once again demonstrates his ability to match Robin in high speed on their motorcycles. When Robin saves him from a bomb, Red X repays the debt by dismantling all of the villainous racers in under a minute. Stylish and roguish yet noble, Red X cements himself as a memorable character that's neither a villain nor hero—just as he'd like.
  • Moral Event Horizon:
    • Osiris' killing of the Persuader was an accident. He tried justifying the death of Ryan Choi and everyone else he's killed as trying to bring his sister and Black Adam back. But now he freely admits that he enjoys violence and is just as bad as everyone accused him of being.
    • Superboy-Prime becoming full-on evil again after Headcase accidentally takes him away from Prime Earth. This nullifies any redemption he could have had in Blackest Night and solidifies his Complete Monster status.
  • My Real Daddy:
    • It's widely agreed that Devin Grayson (and maybe Brad Meltzer) is the only writer in recent years who ever really understood not just Roy's character, but Lian's as well.
    • The creative team of Marv Wolfman and George Perez for the Titans in general. They didn't create the team but they did propel the Titans to the greatest height of their popularity, which was no less than DC's # 1 selling title. And, although they did not create the team itself, they created Raven, Cyborg, Starfire, the Nightwing persona of Dick Grayson, the Troia persona of Donna Troy, Jericho, Deathstroke, H.I.V.E., Terra, Brother Blood, Trigon, Azarath, Cheshire, the "T" shaped building... can you really imagine the group without a number of those characters or concepts being around?
  • Narm:
    • Lian Harper's funeral. The entire superhero community shows up, in their brightly colored costumes.
    • Harvest. It's hard to take a "Darkseid level threat" seriously when his plans are transparently idiotic.
    • The first issue of the New 52 series has Tim holding a picture of him and Bruce swinging through Gotham. It looks cool, until you question how he even got that picture. Seriously, did they pose for it? It outright looks like a comic book cover.
  • Never Live It Down:
    • Roy's heroin abuse, which was only present for one issue of Green Arrow and then followed by him going cold turkey. It doesn't help that following Lian's death he's gone back to using it.
    • While there are many reasons to snark about how bad Eric Wallace's run was, absolutely no one is ever going to forget how Cinder burned off a man's dick with her vagina. It also doesn't help that this is probably the only interesting thing about Cinder.
    • Terry Long (Donna Troy's husband during Marv Wolfman's run) is frequently accused of being a creep trying making passes at other girls, but the closest he ever actually came to that was when he suggested to Donna that she make Kory a regular model... and that was really early in the run. For the remainder of his 80s appearances, he's pretty obviously devoted to Donna.
  • One-Scene Wonder: Lord Damyn (High of Highs, Best of Best) is a supporting character who only ever appears in two issues (#24 and #25) of The New Teen Titans. He makes quite an impression, though.
  • Only the Creator Does It Right: An odd case with any Teen Titans team formed with members of the YJ4 (Tim Drake, Bart Allen, Cassie Sandsmark, and Conner Kent): Peter David's Young Justice book did not create any of these characters, but he wrote their initial interactions, chemistry, and helped introduce a huge number of fans to them and comics. Especially Wonder Girl; Cassie was The Scrappy to a large number of people until Peter David made her popular enough to win a fan held election for leader. If you look at the entries on this page for Geoff Johns, you can see part of the problem.

    S - T 
  • The Scrappy:
    • Danny Chase. Not only did he actually look like Cousin Oliver, but everyone hated him. He mocked Jason Todd's death (in front of Dick Grayson, Jason's adopted brother) and his sole Crowning Moment of Anything was his own death.
    • Terry Long, for being considerably older than Donna, coming off as creepy, and his tendency to make blatant passes at her friends. He actually became even more of a Jerkass in the '90s, before he was killed off in John Byrne's run of Wonder Woman.
    • The Team Titans, for being a failed X-Force Captain Ersatz stuffed with C-List Fodder; by Zero Hour!, all but two were Ret-Gone with only Terra II and Mirage remaining. Mirage in particular is disliked by Dick/Kory fans due to Mirage being a bizarre Yandere, kidnapping Kory and using her shapeshifting to subject Dick Grayson to a Bed Trick, and then, after the real Kory is freed, using her shapeshifting to pose nude as Kory for an adult magazine.
    • Cassandra Sandsmark, she came off like a raging Alpha Bitch after her boyfriend's death. It's worse when you remember that she started out as her school's lovable geek. Her New 52 version has similar controversy, but is also hated for being a thief, being "overtly sexualized" and having her connection with Wonder Woman only recognizeable to readers of Wondie's book (she's the daughter of Diana's half-brother, i.e. the niece of Wonder Woman, though neither of them know about it as of now).
      • Once Conner returned to the series (before the reboot), you think she wouldn't have had much reason to keep lashing out at her teammates, but some writers felt differently. Under Johns' (ironically) and others' pens since Conner's return, she had been portrayed positively and having gotten over her grief. But other writers, especially in the case of Felicia Henderson, had continued to portray her as an angry shrew, who even goes as far as to treat her back-from-the-dead boyfriend like crap (eventually leading to their breakup).
    • Prysm, a member of Dan Jurgens' volume 2 team, isn't very liked by some classic fans due to coming off too naive and stereotypically feminine, spoiled, and her visual appeal mostly coming from the fact that she was nude all the time.
    • Fringe from the above run is also hated, for lacking personality and never being as developed. Unlike Prysm, it's hard to find fans that can tolerate him.
    • Minion from Wolfman's New Titans is either hated or ignored by most fans due to the fact that he came in during a Dork Age, and that he seemed to be pushed in as a cool new teenage character but lacked interesting traits.
    • Bombshell was widely disliked by a number of fans during her brief tenure on the team. She was criticized for having very little personality and was accused of trying to ape the characterization of the recently departed fan favorite Ravager. The fact that she was a Motor Mouth and a Jerkass didn't do much to help her standing with fans.
    • Deathstroke's Titans team qualifies for this status as well. They are even more so ignored than Fringe and Minion, who are at least mentioned in nostalgic regard when discussing the past Titans team, whereas Slade's team of mercenaries is completely ignored save for when someone is mentioning a member that was already a Titan (Roy, Osiris) or associated with the group (Cheshire, Deathstroke). Anything beyond that is liable to be overly critical ranting about how much that run on the book sucked.
    • The DEOrphans, a group of metahuman kids from the DEO, were hated even more than the unpopular Titans. This was because they got in the way of the Titans' screentime and that they were simply useless at fighting or doing much to advance the plot. Their presence also caused the "Epsilon" arc to be heavily rewritten, and a bunch of other planned stories had been thrown out.
    • Pantha and Baby Wildebeest had received hate and ridicule for being "awful '90s characters" from various fans, although their deaths in Infinite Crisis showed them to be more on the Base-Breaking Character side, as many other fans decried their horrible fate.
    • Flamebird. After the first Crisis, the original Bat-Girl no longer existed and Barbara Gordon was deemed to be the original. When Marv Wolfman and George Perez decided to revamp the Titans West team for the Post-Crisis origins of the Teen Titans, Betty Kane was reintroduced as Mary Elizabeth ("Bette") Kane, now with the codename Flamebird and a Valley Girl with a strong desire to get the affections and praise of Nightwing in any way. As Wolfman had no love for the Titans West save for Lilith and Changeling, the portrayals of the revamped versions, ESPECIALLY Bette, earned them spots high on the Titans "Scrappy" list. Flamebird wound up as a Butt-Monkey-type character for years to come, even though some writers attempted to make her seem more interesting through "depths" in her origin (stating her physical prowess and skills that rarely seemed to be reflected). Geoff Johns started a more streamlined take on the character in the Beast Boy mini-series, and it seemed that Greg Rucka was attempting to revise her into a much more competent heroine. The New 52 pressed the Reset Button via the Batwoman series, as Bette now lost most of her established history (and previous upgrade), making her come off nearly Too Stupid To Live and get mutilated by an enemy. She's later appeared to have gone back on track to a darker and more serious revamp in her costume, but time will tell if this change is successful.
    • Golden Eagle was initially hated for being a shoe-horned attempt to give Hawkman a sidekick and knockoff in the Pre-Crisis era, and was hated Post-Crisis for being a slacker surfer-type guy who'd only fight if it could get him women and attention. He got a little sympathy after being killed off, but after Jimmy Palmiotti and Justin Gray retconned his death and revealed him to be a Jerkass-type villain with a grudge against Hawkman, fans had new reason to despise the guy (or the direction he was taken in).
  • Seasonal Rot:
    • The renewal of the original series, once it stopped being about a team of superheroes and started being about a team of secret agent ex-superheroes (the Titans were pressured to quit heroics because they failed to stop a celebrity peacemaker from getting shot), which lasted until they finally decided to get back into costume again. During the very last death-throes of the series there was a three-issue arc that introduced Titans West, which wasn't enough to stave of cancellation.
    • The Wolfman run suffered from this after George Perez departed as this sent a number of shockwaves throughout the book, including a huge increase in Wangst, repeated arcs, Deathstroke being Easily Forgiven, and the much reviled Danny Chase.
    • Then came the dawn of the 90s; newly promoted editor Jonathan Peterson had come to the opinion that the current state of the the Titans was too boring, too episodic, and had too many characters (especially the long-forgotten Golden Eagle), and so he had Wolfman start the 10th anniversary of his New Teen Titans run with the long, difficult to follow "Titans Hunt" arc and the book began self-destructing, with a ton of uninteresting and/or unlikable new characters being introduced, loads of 90s clichés, chaotic storytelling and art, and tons of Shocking Swerves. After Cyborg got Put on a Bus to Hell, the book was left in shambles, with the team constantly changing and being interrupted by crossovers. By the end, many felt the ending to the run was a Mercy Kill.
    • The 2003-2011 run, while it became the second-longest run for the team, also suffered from this. While the Johns run caused a Broken Base in the fanbase, most notably Young Justice fans felt their favourite superheroes were derailed for the purpose of "graduating" them to the Titans, several fans enjoyed the return of the book's original title and cast, but the novelty wound up wearing off fairly quickly, with the first 25 or so issues from that run being divisive at best. The book's quality went even further downhill with the One Year Later portion, after which Johns left the book. Not helping matters was how Infinite Crisis seemingly made the Titans "the heroes that it's okay to kill", further contributing to the team's fluctuating membership. The remainder of the series proved to be a slow decline, with characters being offed for no reason, being pointlessly Darker and Edgier (including an infamous story where a demonic Wonder Dog mauled the Wonder Twins leading to backlash from comics sites), characters acting like assholes for no reason, and the few usable plotlines being wasted. The run ended with issue 100 and was replaced by the New 52 run, which unfortunately became a huge Dork Age of the title.
  • Strangled by the Red String:
    • Donna Troy and Lilith Clay had rather spontaneous and episodic interests in other heroes and characters in the original series, with drama between Donna Troy and either Wally, Roy, and even Hank Hall, with Donna's own interest largely flip-flopping between them. Lilith Clay had some very suddenly deep connections with Mal and even Gnarrk after their arrivals.
    • A not infrequent occurrence of some of Wolfman's writing in New Teen Titans. Examples include:
      • Wally and Raven, which started when Raven surreptitiously forced Wally to want to join the Teen Titans by subjecting him to some light Brainwashing for the Greater Good, though she admitted to some completely un-foreshadowed romantic interest for him on her own part.
      • Donna Troy and Terry Long, who were already in a relationship by the time NTT started, despite her competing interests in other heroes in the 60s and 70s.
    • Tim Drake (Robin III) and Cassie Sandsmark (Wonder Girl II). Given the fact that they had a very platonic interaction before the hookup, that Wonder Girl was the girlfriend of Robin's dead best friend Superboy, and the reason they kissed in the first place was due to mutual mourning of said person... yeah, it was definitely a trainwreck. Fans of both Wonder Girl and Robin sighed a collective breath of relief when the pairing ended.
    • ...Though the return of the subplot in the New 52 only reignited the fan rage. To the series credit, the first few issues did establish Unresolved Sexual Tension between the two and succeeding issues suggested that the romance would be approached slowly and with an organic approach. Then issue #17 happened. First, Tim Drake kissed Solstice from out of nowhere, even though he knows she's in a relationship with Kid Flash. Then, on the next page, it's heavily implied he and Wonder Girl have sex, and have had sex before. And the last page reveals that something's very wrong with Tim. Later issues reveal that Trigon was manipulating him, but the writer tried to write the situation under the rug by saying he was only enhancing Tim's desires. Unfortunately, that still meant he took a famously chaste hero like Tim, forced him to have sex under the influence (ie. rape) with his Love Interest, and then to add salt to the wound, Wonder Girl was then shown trying to get with Superboy (probably her most popular suitor) to get past the fling, Solstice promptly forgot the whole event, and everyone was written poorly for seven or eight more issues before they were cancelled.
  • Strawman Has a Point: The evil alternate Kid Flash during The Terror of Trigon pointed out that, although they had so much Unresolved Sexual Tension, Wally West was so undecided that he would never enjoy the warm kisses of Raven. And he was right.
  • They Changed It, Now It Sucks!: Titans becoming a villain-driven book about a team of mercenaries led by Deathstroke. The reviews for the series before the change had already been poor, but after Eric Wallace and Fabrizio Fiorentino took over, the book found its way on many "Worst Comics of 2010" lists. One common complaint was the death of Ryan Choi.

  • Unintentionally Unsympathetic:
    • Deathstroke's mercenary team of Titans were described by writer Eric Wallace as being bad people, but it's clear that the majority of the team was supposed to be seen as tragic and sympathetic due to their horrible backstories and the recent series of traumas that pushed them into the team. This included Cheshire and Tattooed Man losing their respective child, Osiris being haunted by the man he accidentally killed to protect his sister, and the years of sexual abuse and Survivor's Guilt Cinder suffered from. However, any sympathy these characters might have gained was instantly crushed by the team's first actual appearance when they brutally slaughtered Ryan Choi, followed by Osiris's gradual transformation into a self-centered brat and Cinder stupidly letting a serial child rapist free because she rushed her attempt to murder him. The only member of the team who managed to retain any sense of sympathy from fans was Roy Harper, who was not a part of Ryan's death and had the distinction of being manipulated by both Deathstroke and Cheshire. It helps that readers were still majorly pissed off at how poorly Roy was being handled after Justice League: Cry for Justice and Rise of Arsenal.
    • Another Titans example would have to be Cassandra Sandsmark and Tim Drake during the "One Year Later" storylines. Understandably the two are still reeling from Superboy's death, but Cassandra began to sorely grate the nerves of the readers because she Took a Level in Jerkass and became an insufferable, bitter asshole. Tim came across as more sympathetic in his grief especially since the writers were deliberately ignoring parts of his backstory (like the stepmother who was nowhere to be found after his dad died), but then he became involved in a Wangst fueled on/off relationship with Cassandra that ultimately went nowhere. But what ultimately made the two unsympathetic was their constant zigzagging with Rose Wilson in the Titans, either accepting her as one of their own or viewing her as the team's token psycho and badmouthing her behind her back. In fact, Rose left the team and briefly allied herself with the new Clock King when she heard Tim and Cass profess she was a lost cause. This is all despite knowing very well that Rose's Face–Heel Turn was not of her choosing, but because her father pumped her full of drugs and drove her insane
    • Yet another would be in the New 52. In an incident that was obviously supposed to garner sympathy for the character, Bunker used his psionic bricks to slam an Ungrateful Bastard against a brick wall, because said bastard was ungrateful for being saved by Bunker and Beast Boy, because they "looked like a bunch of..." While Bunker was pissed that he was going to use a homophobic slur (Bunker is gay himself), literally nothing implies he was. So instead of Bunker attacking someone over a slur, which still would've been a little much, he's attacking a guy over something he didn't even do, with no implication that he was going to do it.
  • Vindicated by History: Dan Jurgens' run was considered to be a Dork Age after the 16-year Wolfman run ended but nowadays has since been considered to be a good run held back by the fans' difficulty with accepting a group of entirely new characters carrying the title of such a beloved team.
  • Wangst: A staple since the eighties. Wolfman made heavy use of Emotions vs. Stoicism and Love Hurts... but as the years went by, it became increasingly apparent that there was no point to any of the ongoing personal conflict; all the drama was just to ensure the characters were never actually happy. The characters spent time talking about their problems, but they never got around to solving them until it was either too late or Wolfman could hit them with a new permutation of the problem.
  • We're Still Relevant, Dammit!:
    • A lot of early nineties issues included characters quipping that they should update their style for the new decade.
    • The outfits from the "Culling" crossover, which basically says "We're still cool. See? Tron costumes!"
    • After the fiasco the comic has been having throughout its New 52 run DC has decided to "bring them into the digital age." In other words, "Oh look! They're texting, and they have smart phones! How hip and happening is that?!" It feels like an obvious attempt to latch on to what "in" with the teen and young adult crowd. The advertising for it adds a level of Narm that's lacking anything to like about it. The covers themselves are unnaturally jarring due to showing RAVEN of all people acting like a phone addict. The same covers make it look like they're texting each other even though they're standing right next to each other and makes the team look like no such thing.
  • What an Idiot!
    • When Raven first came to Earth, to warn about the arrival of Trigon, she asked the Justice League for help. They rejected her, because Zatanna checked her and sensed a great evil power within her.
      You'd expect: that Raven simply clarifies that she is the daughter of Trigon. That he's pure evil, but she is not. She wouldn't be the first hero with an Archnemesis Dad, or the first good person with bad powers.
      Instead: She simply leaves, considers the JLA a hopeless case, and creates a new group instead, the Teen Titans. But even then...
      Now you'd expect: That she would explain things honestly this time.
      Instead: She keeps the Titans in the dark as much as she did with the JLA. And using her powers to make Kid Flash fall in love with her so that he joins the group is definitely not helping her case.
      Result: Both teams walk away from her when the truth comes to light. They only come back when Trigon is already here.
    • Shimmer can change matter at will. She also says that she's not interested in fighting superheros, just to get rich.
      You'd expect: that, with her power, she simply turns some mundane items into gold, some others into platinum, and some others into priceless jewels, and that's it: she's as rich as she may want to be.
      Instead: She has such an awesome power... and wastes it in Bank Robberies.
  • What Do You Mean, It's Not Political?:
    • "The Return of Donna Troy" has a discussion between Troia (a brainwashed evil conqueror at the time) and Athyns. Troia claimed that the aliens she was attacking had some dangerous universal weapon, which must be destroyed on behalf of the universe. Athyns pointed that they were not surrounded by any dangerous evil army but by poor people ravaged by war, and asked if they had such a weapon, why didn't they attempt to defend themselves with it. Athyns concluded, before starting to fight, that there is no such weapon and that the Titans of Myth have lied to her. Yes, you guessed it: the comic book was published at the time of the Iraq war.
    • Exaggerated by the pseudo-Silver Age "Lost Annual", in which the Fab Five go to a distant planet to rescue one kidnapped President John F. Kennedy for his abilities to win a propaganda-heavy war against innocent natives. This is, of course, a version of John F. Kennedy who was actually a skilled diplomatist who was capable of ending wars, and it wasn't him but the alien body-double who was assassinated. (It only counts as "Not Political" because the Vietnam War — which the Real Life JFK got America into — wasn't mentioned directly).
  • What Do You Mean, It Wasn't Made on Drugs?: When Raven first appeared, she could not have her Soul Self out of her body for more than 5 minutes. One day, she failed to return to her body in time. The results were... mind screwing.
  • The Woobie:
    • Kid Devil of the current generation. He has the most pathetic back story prior to joining the team, and ends up getting the worst treatment after.
    • Jerkass Woobie: Yes, Roy Harper murdered a supervillain, turned his back on his friends, went back on heroin, and joined Deathstroke's mercenary team for the chance to kill Deathstroke. But considering that his right arm had been hacked off, was given a prosthetic which actually causes more pain and impairs his abilities as an archer, and his daughter, Lian, died, it's hard not to feel sorry for him. This is magnified by how out-of-character his friends and family acted during Rise of Arsenal, and by how his joining Deathstroke's Titans was mainly due to Cheshire, Lian's mother, guilt tripping him into joining by saying that he "owed" her for Lian's death.
  • WTH, Costuming Department?: Beast Boy's historic pick of red and white colors for his outfits is sorely outdated, going all the way back to his early Doom Patrol days, which is where such a combination at least made sense as the team colors. But following his departure from the title, the colors stopped making sense for him, especially versions using lots of white. One of Beast Boy's main visual principles is the fact that he's bright green, which by rights should be used as a contrast against his costume to draw attention to his face and potentially limbs, but white, being by definition the brightest color, has more contrast with everything, which draws attention away from Beast Boy's face. His black-and-purple outfits inspired by the cartoon tend to serve him much better by taking advantage of his bright green colors for said contrast.
    • Special note must go to his tacky face-mask from his early Doom Patrol, which was simply ridiculous regardless of what combination of purple, black, and yellow it was using in any given issue.
    • The problems of the red and white color combination were in full swing in the 80s, and his version of the outfit then also had a bizarre little square of red-on-white contrast just below his waist, which only served to draw audience eyes painfully close to Gar's crotch.
    • In the 90s, Beast Boy decided to complement the 80s look with a deep black trench coat of all things. The poor boy was going through A Darker Me phase.


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