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  • Archive Panic: As of 2020, there are well over 700 movie sin videos alone, and the Sins franchise also extends into individual episodes of various TV series as well as music videos.
  • Base-Breaking Character:
    • Some people were entertained by Matthew Santoro, the guest narrator for Everything Wrong With Underworld: Evolution, while others disliked him.
    • Some fans liked The Nostalgia Critic, the guest narrator for Everything Wrong With How the Grinch Stole Christmas!, while others found him boring due to having done a review of the movie beforehand, and many of his contributions came across as just repeating the same points he made in that video.
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    • Jeremy is an example as while most people don't mind him as a narrator, his attitudes in his Dear Hollywood videos regarding the movie industry are either endorsed by fans or lambasted due to his extremely abrasive and judgmental attitude, with the Disney video being blatant in this regard, and found borderline hypocritical in regards of his hate for remakes/sequels/reboots, noting that Jeremy has branched CinemaSins into multiple forms such as Music Video Sins and Brand Sins. His reactions during the "Review Crew" scandal haven't helped his case either due to actions being seen as petty by some.
    • Kevin Smith in the A New Hope video. Some appreciated the gesture of gratitude for Kevin putting Cinema Sins on the map, while others hated his annoying voice, tendency to drag sins on much longer than Jeremy, and raunchy humor that goes far beyond what Jeremy does.
  • Broken Base:
    • Don't even touch the shitstorm that followed the announcement of Brand Sins. Either it's an intriguing concept that aims to explore more aspects of society, or it's a long and boring series whose topic is ill-suited by the Cinema Sins style, with an irritatingly voiced narrator. Either way, G.I.F.T. applies.
    • Even among fans of the franchise, there's debate over which "style" of Cinema Sins is better. The Old Format was shorter and focused more on actual Fridge Logic, while the new format has longer videos with many of the sins falling under Rule of Funny or nitpicking.
    • Jeremy's Dear Hollywood videos already have this going due to his abrasive attitude, but the "F*ck Disney" and "F*ck Hollywood" videos in particular are divisive due to Jeremy accusing the industry of killing creativity over remakes and sequels and proclaiming that people who enjoy these films and other remakes and sequels are doing so as well. This sparked debate between people who agreed with him and those angry at him for overreacting and making a myopic statement, noting that remakes and sequels are nothing new and on how bad original works are nothing to praise. After all, he still finds plenty of sins with films that are more original. Another crowd even sees him as borderline hypocritical, noting that Jeremy has branched CinemaSins into multiple forms such as Music Video Sins and Brand Sins, and makes a living nitpicking off the work of others, or the fact both he and Chris got their start writing clickbait articles, which hollows his "dumbing down of entertainment" complaint.
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    • Jeremy's now deleted video where he accused Screen Junkies of ripping off his Before and After reviews with their now deleted Review Crew video, which contained Product Placement has become this. While there are those who side with him, others have called him out for being immature, especially considering the Screen Junkies claimed to have not seen his series and included the Product Placement due to it being from a sponsor, in addition to pointing out that car review shows have been done by other people before. The fact both deleted their videos and appeared to make up has only made the matter more contentious.
    • Donald Trump's cameo from Home Alone 2: Lost in New York got 1,000,000,000 sins (In comparison, the Ocean's Eleven scene where Danny Ocean is in a phone booth next to the Trump Plaza gets 10 sins). Some appreciated the Take That! aimed at the president, while others saw it as a political cheap shot and felt Jeremy was signaling that Trump supporters, or right-wingers in general, were not welcome in his fanbase.
      • For that matter, Jeremy becoming more political in later videos, which is split between those who agree with his views and those who don't. Those who agree with his views usually say that these views are relatively uncontroversial with opposition to them being minimal. Those who disagree with his views argue that while he has every right to voice his views and opinions, a web series whose premise is identifying flaws in movies is hardly the appropriate place.
  • Don't Shoot the Message: Jeremy's Dear Hollywood videos would probably be taken seriously by film professionals if he wasn't so abrasive and openly loathing towards them.
  • Face of the Band: Jeremy receives much more attention than Chris Atkinson, considering he narrates the videos and mostly manages the official social media accounts and has his own channel. Jeremy even acknowledged this in a tweet where someone asked if they ought to change the Twitter account to his own.
  • Friendly Fandoms
    • With the Honest Trailers crew. They often cover the same movies and even collaborated a number of times. (once they even switched shows) To the point where Honest Trailers complained that people think that they're the same and ask them to do sins videos. However, the car review scandal caused a clash between the two that the channels deeply regretted.
    • Also with Game Care Network, who does a series of Gaming Sins, the video game equivalent to Cinema Sins. Cinema Sins has come to their defense on occasion, stating that they do not mind.
  • "Funny Aneurysm" Moment:
    • In the Spider-Man: Homecoming video, he criticizes Peter Parker when he is running towards fire, claiming that he "should be ash at this point". In Avengers: Infinity War, Peter ends up disintegrating into ash due to Thanos's Badass Fingersnap, in one of the film's saddest scenes, right in front of his mentor, no less!
    • In the Music Video Sins video "Everything Wrong with Charli XCX - Boys", one of the first sins is "monogrammed robes died with Hugh Hefner, dude. Wait, Hef is still alive? Really?" Hugh Hefner died a month after the video was released.
    • Jeremy's comment on Valerian's behavior in Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets, involving him having attended the "Harvey Weinstein School of Workplace Behavior" became this after director Luc Besson was accused of sexual assault by several women.
  • Harsher in Hindsight:
    • One of the stingers for Justin Bieber: Never Say Never features the bit from Godzilla (1998) where Madison Square Garden gets blown up, presumably during the concert. It seems less funny after the bombing of an Ariana Grande concert in Manchester in 2017. The shooting up of the Eagles of Death Metal at Bataclan in Paris and later the massacre at the Route 91 Harvest country music festival in Las Vegas only make it even harsher, even though those were not bombings and the artists playing had far less in common with Bieber than Grande does.
    • In "Everything wrong with Guardians of the Galaxy", after the explanation of the Infinity Stones' power, Jeremy concludes that the stone's "wheat field genocide" power won't be used. Come Avengers: Infinity War, the stones are used to wipe out half of all life in the universe, which is definitely WAY worse.
  • He Panned It, Now He Sucks!:
    • In every one of his sin videos, you will find many mixed YouTube comments, usually those who criticize or insult him on being too serious and overly critical about an entertaining movie. In the descriptions of some videos, they even note that they like some of the films they're covering; examples have included Back to the Future, The Hunt for Red October and The Matrix. In Everything Wrong With CinemaSins Jeremy notes that one of the films they've covered is in his personal top ten.note  Some people do have a point about not reading too much into the films, focusing on narrative themes rather than minor nitpicks, and though the nature of the channel is satirical, they often add some serious criticisms and treat sins as fact... which comes with its own share of flaws. Also despite their own claim that, "[cinema] sins have no real value", the number and length of the bonus rounds tend to indicate their disdain for a film, and sometimes they'll actually state as much.
    • In a Reddit post, Jeremy noted that the films CinemaSins has specifically gotten the most hate for sinning are the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
    • The first two Music Video Sins episodes for Melanie Martinez had the highest number of dislikes on the channel until they made a video for JoJo Siwa's "Boomerang", and the two Twenty One Pilots videos also went straight to the bottom 5.
    • Jeremy's minor remark in the Batman Forever video noting people haven't realized The Lost Boys is terrible yet got more than a few people livid.
    • Jeremy has received some intense criticism for "Everything Wrong With Lilo & Stitch In 18 Minutes Or Less", in which (among several issues that viewers had with his criticism, including the fact that he doesn't remove even one sin for anything in the film) he bashes Nani for being a "terrible human being" (going as far as to state that no amount of a redemption story will ever change his mind) because she couldn't properly handle taking care of Lilo, even though most anyone with a sense of understanding in the context of the Pelekai sisters' situation know that Nani was thrust in the position of taking care of Lilo against her will thanks to the deaths of their parents (and that fact gets sinned as well because of Disney's infamy with the Deceased Parents Are the Best trope) and the both of them were struggling to cope with the situation at hand. Viewers pointed out Nani was trying her best, but the stress of everything going on was easily overwhelming her and thus causing her to make those mistakes depicted in the film.
    • His video on The Princess and the Frog has attracted a good number of negative comments, due to him expressing distaste for "Friends on The Other Side" as well as Keith David's performance of the song.
  • Hilarious in Hindsight:
    • Jeremy's spinoff channel, CinemaSins Jeremy, is ripe with these. His Dear Hollywood videos in particular have become pretty prophetic regardless of whether he likes the results or not.
      • "Dear Hollywood - Captain America 3 Vs. Batman v Superman." Jeremy goes on a rant about Disney and Warner Bros. announcing Captain America: Civil War and Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice to both open on the same exact weekend. He complains about how it is counter-productive and if they were to both carry forward without one moving, they would see diminishing returns. However, Jeremy ended up predicting wrong which movie would be the one to change dates, as even though he had criticized many parts of Man of Steel, he believed it would be Captain America, as he called out Marvel as having "lost your god-damned mind" because apparently no-one cares about Captain America and Batman v Superman was absolutely guaranteed to completely and utterly slaughter Civil War at the box office. Fast forward a few months and DC blinked first and changed the release date of their movie. Fast forward a few more months and even Jeremy himself is regretfully admitting that he really, really doesn't like the look of the new Batman v Superman trailer and he even predicts it's going to be "the Terminator Genisys of 2016". Possibly Harsher in Hindsight, depending on your point of view, but considering how passionate he was being to Marvel about what an utterly insane idea pitting Civil War against Batman v Superman was, the hubris is particularly sweet. This culminated in the critical flogging and/or overall mixed impression for Batman v Superman, in addition Civil War receiving critical acclaim and making more money.
      • In the same vein, his "Conversations with Myself" about the (at the time) extremely controversial casting of Ben Affleck as Bruce Wayne had one Jeremy supporting the decision, while the other complained that he didn't know anyone who liked Affleck. Though the film was extremely divisive, it was nevertheless generally accepted that not only was Affleck one of the best parts of the film, some considered him one of the best film portrayals of Bruce Wayne ever (or at least, physically so).
      • "Dear Matt Damon & Paul Greengrass - Make Another F*cking Bourne Already". When Damon and Greengrass actually decided to make another Bourne film, Jeremy remembered this and declared himself in charge of Hollywood and mandated all the changes in his previous videos, plus a few new ones. Fast forward to the actual film receiving mixed reviews, and Jeremy complained briefly about it in a Dear Hollywood while deciding to dedicate a whole video to it. A classic case of Be Careful What You Wish For if there ever was one.
      • Jeremy complains in his "F*ck Disney" rant over Ridley Scott and Neill Blomkamp trying to create more Alien films due to his claim that neither have made a good film in a decade. Later in 2015, The Martian was released to acclaim by Scott and Blomkamp's Alien film was shelved by Scott, which many believe was tied to Blomkamp's Chappie being negatively received.
      • "Dear Hollywood - Splitting Books Into Multiple Movies." Jeremy's belief that splitting up book adaptations into multiple parts have finally run their course. He compares splitting the movies up is like playing Russian Roulette in which eventually fans will revolt and not see the sequel. He caps it off by saying the Divergent series is likely the one that's going to get impacted. In 2016, it was reported the Lionsgate was considering tanking the series and releasing the last film on TV due to the diminishing returns, which was probably the trend killer for sequel-splitting.
    • In the video for Child's Play, one of the sins points out a Godzilla toy on a shelf. Take a wild guess what their next sin video was about.
    • Early on in their take of The Amazing Spider-Man 2, a scene of Richard Parker killing the super-spiders is described as a visual representation of what the movie did to the rebooted series. A few months later, it was announced that The Amazing Spider-Man Series would be discontinued, and that the character would be integrated into the Marvel Cinematic Universe following the agreement to share the character between Marvel Studios and Sony Pictures.
    • When Jeremy sinned Batman Forever, he expressed lament that Billy Dee Williams couldn't reprise his role to play Two-Face. One year after the video was released, Billy Dee Williams was finally given an opportunity to play Two-Face in The LEGO Batman Movie.
    • These lines from Everything Wrong With Jurassic Park 3, if we consider that it was kinda-sorta what happened in Jurassic World:
      Jeremy: "It's not a Jurassic Park movie if someone isn't trying to smuggle something dino-related off the island. No, seriously. Every movie. I bet Jurassic World has some theme park investor trying to smuggle a baby dino inside his suitcase or some sh*t. You watch." (The Indominus Rex was designed as a prototype for a biological battlefield weapon, as well as it's the reason the attempt to train Raptors was allowed in the first place. As well, Wu manages to leave the island with various dino embryos).
      Jeremy (on the detail of the pterodactyls flying off into the sunset and nobody seems to care): "Also, somehow the 4th movie will completely gloss over these escaped pterodactyls, I guarantee it." (Supplemental information on the Jurassic World website says that the pterodactyls were exterminated in Canada by Hoskins. As he guessed, this isn't brought up in the movie).
    • A similar thing (which could also admittedly double as Harsher in Hindsight) happens in Everything Wrong With Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2. Jeremy points out that Peter Quill has mommy issues in the first film, daddy issues in GOTG Vol. 2, and predicts that he will have trouble with the in-laws in the next film; "basically Meet the Parents in space". In Avengers: Infinity War, Quill has to help stop Thanos - Gamora's adoptive father - getting all the Infinity Stones, but Thanos not only gets all the stones, he kills Gamora in order to activate one of the Stones. Those definitely qualify as 'trouble with the in-laws'.
    • The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Out of the Shadows video has a rant from Jeremy in the beginning complaining about the Critical Dissonance of its predecessor allowing the movie to exist and claims the sequel will also create a sequel. It seems Jeremy didn't pay attention to the news since Paramount confirmed it likely won't happen before the video even went up.
    • Everything Wrong With Elektra points out that the Hand sending more killers after sending Elektra after the same target as "a case of the left The Hand not knowing what the right The Hand is doing". According to Iron Fist, which belongs in the very continuity that Elektra has been inserted back into, the Hand is already in an Enemy Civil War.
    • Thanks to a delay, Linkara posted a video about Flashpoint on May 30, 2017—the same day CinemaSins posted a video about Justice League: The Flashpoint Paradox, its Animated Adaptation.
    • One of the sins for Doctor Strange (2016) is Jeremy wishing that Stan Lee's cameos throughout the MCU told a story. His cameo in Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 sees him playing a Watcher telling other Watchers stories, implying that Lee's previous cameos in the MCU we all done by the same Watcher character when including one time when he played a FedEx delivery man.
    • The sentence for Transformers: The Last Knight was "Just End Already!" It becomes funnier when you realize it did end; The Last Knight was a Franchise Killer for the original film series, with Bumblebee serving as a Continuity Reboot for the franchise (not to mention that it received much better reception).
    • In the The Greatest Showman video, Jeremy claims that if Hugh Jackman wanted to do another musical, he would've been perfect as Harold Hill in The Music Man. Well, now he is.
    • In the video for Spider-Man: Homecoming, Jeremy makes fun of Robert Downey Jr.'s constant presence in the film saying that Marvel has tricked him into starring in another Iron Man movie while making him believe that he is in a Spider-Man movie. In 2019, Gwyneth Paltrow revealed that she didn't even know she was in this movie (in the very scene that Jeremy was mocking, no less!) and believed that she was in an Avengers movie, although in her case, Marvel hadn't tricked her, given that she went on to reveal that she remembers almost nothing note  about the franchise.
    • In his review of The Terminator, Jeremy snarks that it's a good thing Sarah Connor called her apartment when she did, because otherwise the T-800 would have mistaken his kill of Sarah's roommate Ginger for a completed mission and would have gone on to "have sex with robot hookers". In Terminator: Dark Fate, the T-800 that kills John Connor goes on to make a living as a construction worker, even marrying and adopting a child. Not quite the same thing, but still fits under "ok, I completed my mission, what do I do now?"
    • The sentence for Bruno Mars's music video for "Versace on the Floor" was "Gucci Mane Collaboration". Guess who Bruno collaborated with on "Wake Up in the Sky" a year later?
  • Memetic Mutation:
    • "Discount X, ding" Explanation 
    • "This scene does not contain a lap dance".
    • "They survive this! - Ding!" Explanation 
    • "Roll credits" *ding*
    • It's satire. Explanation 
    • x: (anything). CinemaSins: *ding* Explanation 
  • Memetic Troll: You're bound to become this if your channel about almost nothing but shitting on movies, good or bad, becomes popular.
  • Most Wonderful Sound:
    • The sound of a rewinding *ding* that comes with sins being taken off.
    • Whenever Jeremy honestly laughs.
  • Padding: Sins in later videos are prone to being plain statements of fact in order to increase the length of the video and make it more likely for YouTube to recommend to other viewers.
  • Poe's Law: Jeremy started out as a parody of overly-nitpicky critics, but with later videos becoming longer and sins becoming focused on increasingly small details to pad out the time (particularly on movies Jeremy doesn't like), some fans argue that Jeremy now is an overly-nitpicky critic.
  • Reviews Are the Gospel: There are overzealous fans who will take the videos at face value and use it as evidence against a movie dislike. The Cinema Sins crew have acknowledged this Misaimed Fandom and for extra irony, they even stated they loved The Amazing Spider-Man, their very first video.
  • Seasonal Rot: Initially, the videos were pointing out the actual flaws of the movies, like a Plot Hole or Special Effects Failure. However, the show has gradually devolved into a parody of itself, picking apart a movie for the most minor things, like just showing the studio logo or having narration. It's telling that the earlier videos were around 5 minutes long, later ones are 20-30 minutes. At least.
  • Shocking Moments: "Everything Wrong with Justin Bieber: Never Say Never". At first, it seems like the film has a standard sin score, with 98 sins respectively. Then the bonus rounds the end, the film now has over 13,332,791,808 sins. For reference, that's the most sins a movie has ever gotten on the entire series.
  • Take That, Scrappy!: Jar-Jar Binks single-handedly earned his film over one hundred sins. Twice.
  • Tear Jerker:
    • The second-to-last stinger for the Big Hero 6 sins video is a mashup of the "Hiro, I will always be with you" scene with the similar, just as tearjerking scene from The Iron Giant.
    • Regardless of one's thoughts on the matter, the "Review Crew" scandal is this as Jeremy appeared to be deeply hurt in his accusation video and over the attacks from his own fans against Screen Junkies. This is especially sad when one considers the tight bond the fans of both channels share.
    • Jeremy reveals in his review of The Mighty Ducks that he had an abusive baseball coach as a kid, one who spent a whole car ride telling him he'd never be as good as his older brother. "We were eleven!" indeed.
  • They Changed It, Now It Sucks!:
    • The "Like/Dislike" ratio will skew more towards dislike if the creators actually does something different than their regular schtick, especially if they have a Special Guest Voiceover. The guys have now started mocking those who get upset.
    • Some fans will sometimes complain that new videos are either too long (many twenty minutes or longer compared to earlier videos of five minutes or less) or rely too heavily on running gags or dumb jokes instead of actual sins. While making longer videos came with the channel making more revenue, the latter forgets that there were just as many lowbrow jokes in the original sins videos as there were actual sins.
  • Unintentionally Unsympathetic: Jeremy can come across as this in his Dear Hollywood videos. While his pleas for more original and better films are a reasonable demand, his often vulgar demeanor makes him come across as rather entitled and arrogant.

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Sentence: Justifying Edit (Hell)

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