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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#1: Dec 27th 2021 at 2:10:03 PM

(Don't panic! I'm saying it's not a Main/ trope! :) )

Hypothetical Casting's description says it's about creators using lists of other creators to help visualize their characters. The Tropes Needing TRS entry reads as such:

Mix of trivia (creator opinions) and audience reactions.

The wick check bears this out. Though it is not marked as Trivia, most of the wicks (55% in objective pages + 13% in Trivia pages) explicitly refer to a creator's comments saying which other actors/voice actors they have envisioned playing/voicing their characters. (I also got the idea to soft-split between fanwork creators and "official" works, and shows a similar proportion for both.) Some users evidently already recognize this, as 26 wicks (10%) are already in Trivia, and a similar proportion was found in the wick check.

In addition, the fandom phenomenon of fancasting, or the fans envisioning a character as an actor, pops up in usage and in on-page examples, perhaps not helped by the line "It can also be part of a hypothetical discussion by fans of a work". This behavior is YMMV at best.

Here's a selection of on-page examples from the Comics folder to illustrate the difference.

Results:

  • Objective page, but refers to Word of God or extratextual material: 30/55
  • Objective page, doesn't explicitly refer to extratextual sources, but reads like trivia: 6/55
  • Already in trivia: 7/55, usage is mostly the first category
  • Other casting usage: 6/55
  • Refers to "fancasting": 6/55

I vote to move the thing to Trivia and restrict to Word of God usage (ie. no purely fancasting examples, as several examples are creators going "Hmm, that could work"). If we want to do something about the fancasting examples (a Popular Fancast audience reaction or a Fancasting Fan Speak page, for example), that can be done as well.


Wick check:

    Objective Page, but Explicitly Word Of God/Extratextual Material (30/50) 
Note: Many examples were very long lists; truncated means I only listed a couple for convenience.

Fanworks and Fanwork Subpages

  1. Characters.Pokemon Clefairy Tales: "Marina Inoue (Japanese), Alex Cazares (American English), Ruby Barnhill (British English), and Chantal Macé (French), per Word of God."
  2. Fanfic.Persona The Sougawa Files: Arsene has responded to an anonymous question about which VAs she would pick for the Freedom Fighters (including the main villains) on Tumblr: (Truncated)
  3. Characters.Avengers Of The Ring: The writer mentions that he imagines him being portrayed by Kit Harington.
  4. Fanfic.Miraculous The Phoenix Rises: Well, seeing as everyone seems to do it for fanfics as this, the author has done this for curious readers... Truncated
    • Morgan : Emily Bauer
    • Max : Logan Thirtyacre
  5. Fanfic.Count Your Missing Sheep: The author has stated that that film's version of Lucifer is a big influence on Krampus, even saying that Terrence Zdunich's voice is what they had in mind for Krampus.
  6. Fanfic.Fooly Falls: The author's notes at the end of chapter 1 gives this to the nine major original characters, along with some notable roles he had in mind. Truncated
  7. DinoAttackRPG.Tropes G To L: Towards the end of At War's End, that guy from that show started working on a cast list for a hypothetical film adaptation and asked his fellow players for actor suggestions. Note that this cast list is largely based on the actors' credentials rather than their appearances, so the casting picks are not intended to give readers a better mental image of characters' appearances.
  8. Fanfic.Persona One Last Promise: The reviewers have given the SPT Japanese and English voice actors. Truncated
    • Kazuhiko Sukima: Hiroshi Kamiya and Bryce Papenbrook.
    • Kazumi Sukima: Haruka Tomatsu and Kari Wahlgren
  9. Fanfic.Stories Of The Vanished Man: The author of the series said that Danny Jacob, the one who sang many Phineas and Ferb songs would provide the voice for Perseus Papadakis.
  10. Fanfic.Random Drama Series: Each time an OC is introduced, the author lists the voice actor they'd imagine providing their voice (though they remember each VA by a character they previously portrayed rather than their name): Truncated
    • Kitsune = Stacey De Pass
    • Victor = Jess Gibbons
  11. Fanfic.Wife Of The Wolf Husband Of The Sun: In an author's note of one of the chapters, the Author mentions that they see Golshifteh Farahani as Elia and Sam Claflin for Ned.
  12. Fanfic.Power Rangers Clockwork: Hypothetical Casting: Continuing the trend from Super Sentai vs. Power Rangers: The Liveblog, the writer fancasts several characters, including a recast. Truncated
    • Ari!Carter Grayson—the Red Lightspeed Ranger in Arika's world—has his original actor, Sean Cw Johnson, playing him in flashbacks in Super Sentai vs. Power Rangers IV. Starting in Power Rangers Clockwork, his new hypothetical actor would be Drew Gulak. In-universe, the recast is justified because Carter's original body is in no condition for a resurrection, and Akira decides to create a new body that closely matches Arika's regular combat style.
    • Brynja's hypothetical actress would be Heather Masters, best known as Circus Baby in Five Nights at Freddy's: Sister Location.
  13. Fanfic.Luz Clawthorne: Buck has said that since Odalia is voiced by Rachael Macfarlane, it only makes sense that her brother Geist is "voiced" by Rachael's brother, Seth. Buck is one of the authors
  14. Fanfic.Super Mario Sunshine A Sprite Of Light: The credits in Chapter 54 reveals the made-up casting roles for the characters. Of course, the canon characters still have their original actors from the era Sunshine came out. Truncated
  15. Funny.Fall Of Starfleet Rebirth Of Friendship The credits reveal who's supposed to voice Dark Conquest: Curtis Arnott, best known as Takahata101. You can now re-read the story and hear everything Dark Conquest says with Mr. Perfect Cell's voice for added hilarity. Or better yet, read his dialogue in Dartz's accent, if you never want to take the guy seriously ever again. Refers to extratextual material
  16. BreathOfTheWild.Tropes N To Z, [Race Lift]: This is in part thanks to the Hypothetical Casting, where the characters are imagined as looking like Yara Shahidi and Joe Manganiello respectively. Not to be confused with the game
  17. Fanfic.Godzilla Rulers Of Earthland: The author has a list of (hypothetical) voice actors on his profile page for the Godzilla characters in the story The list as it follows: Truncated
    Earth Defenders:
    Godzilla: Gary Chalk

Not Fanworks

  1. Blog.The Island Of Misfit Christmas Specials: Peter recalls in his review of A Wish For Wings That Work that Bloom County creator Berke Breathed designated the late Sterling Holloway as his #1 choice to voice Opus. Peter admits personally finding that an inappropriate choice, but adds that he could relate to Breathed because of his unfulfilled desire for Brittany Murphy to voice Electric Wonderlands Aerynn Arlia. Half this, half fancast'
  2. Creator.Claudia Gray: She often does this with her Star Wars novels (for example, she imagines Senator Ransolm Casterfo as Tom Hiddleston and Leia's First Love Kier Domadi as Rami Malek).
  3. ComicBook.Scud The Disposable Assassin: Always listed the voices of actors that the creator of the comic imagined would be voicing the characters in animation.
  4. Literature.Spy High: The author is on record as saying that if the books were ever to be made into a movie, he would want Anna Kournikova to play Lori. Also counts as What The Hell Casting Agency, since Kournikova is a tennis player - not an actress.
  5. Literature.The Girl Who Would Be King: According to Thompson in an interview Bonnie could be played by Deborah Ann Woll or Sophie Turner, while Lola was visually inspired by Imogen Poots circa 28 Weeks Later.
  6. Literature.The Icemark Chronicles: Word of God says Redrought was based on BRIAN BLESSED and should be played by him.
  7. Webcomic.Forever 16: This page here lists actors to play the characters. They are; Truncated, writeup in weblink says this is Word of God
  8. Characters.Megg Mogg And Owl: Hanselman stated that if the comics ever received an Animated Adaptation, he would want Lindsay Lohan to play Megg. This arguably crosses into Comic-Book Fantasy Casting as the two have a similar figure and long, red hair. Subpage for comic book
  9. Webcomic.Outsiders: Mac Veigh claims that the design of Harold Wisley is based off of Richard Burton, and if possible, he would have his voice if the comic was adapted to film (though he knows that Burton died, he still thinks that if the software was available to recreate the voices of deceased actors, singers or other celebrities, we could one day hear Richard Burton’s voice on the big screen once again).
  10. Creator.Lindsay Ellis: Lindsay has suggested that an Axiom's End movie would feature Pedro Pascal as Nils. She also agreed with suggestions for Rosa Salazar to play Cora, at least until she realized Salazar's age surpasses that of Cora.
  11. Characters.A Song Of Ice And Fire Sand Snakes: George R. R. Martin has mentioned that Janina Gavankar looks like what he envisioned for Lady Nym.
  12. Creator.Greg Weisman: On his website, he used to reveal who he mentally imagines the voices of characters that have yet to receive one (like in Young Justice), although as of 2016 he no longer does this out of respective for the voice actors they wound up with instead if it were to happen.
  13. ComicBook.Batwoman Rebirth: Tynion has mentioned in an interview that he'd like to see Jessica Chastain play Kate.

    Doesn't mention Word of God, but seems like Trivia (6/55) 
  1. Fanfic.Book Five Legends: There's a whole list of voice actors intended for the Original Characters featured in Book Five. Some examples include: (Truncated)
  2. Fanfic.Pokemon XD Enigma Shadow Series: In a sense; every character is assigned a hypothetical voice actor.
  3. Characters.My Suburban Heroic Fantasy: Subpage for a roleplay
    • Voiced apparently by Michael Rosenbaum or Kyle Mc Carley.
    • Ideally, Fala would be voiced by Michaela Dietz of Steven Universe fame in the event of an animated adaptation.
  4. Characters.Pretty Cure Perfume Preppy: Subpage for a fanfic, only listing 2 entries since they all read the same
    • Asumi Nakata (Japanese) and Sherry Lynn (English).
    • Asami Shimoda (Japanese) and Luci Christian (English).
  5. Characters.Code Prime Peace Mark: Subpage for a fanfic, all entries read like this:
  6. Characters.Citadel Of The Heart Kanto: [Captain Ersatz] Of Cinder Fall, down to having the same voice actress via Hypothetical Casting.

    Already in Trivia (7/55) 
  1. Trivia.The Conversion Bureau The Other Side Of The Spectrum: The authors often cast actors in fictional roles for their characters.
  2. Trivia.Of Gemstones And Watches: The credits reveal some of the casting choices for the characters, including the OC's.
    • Cristina Vee for Ceres.
    • Monica Rial for Kylie.
    • Tara Strong for Ria.
  3. Trivia.Huck: Mark Millar has said that his personal top pick to play Huck is Channing Tatum.
  4. Trivia.Universe Falls: Jenn has a personal fantasy casting list for the fusions of Steven, Connie, and the Mystery Twins:
  5. Trivia.The Raven Cycle: Maggie has admitted to retroactively picturing Colin Greenmantle as John Mulaney thanks to a fandom joke suggesting that casting.
  6. Trivia.Ben 10 Guardians: Word of God has stated that Adolherd sounds like Seth Green's performance as Leonardo.
  7. Trivia.Arrowverse: According to Marc Guggenheim, if Bruce Wayne was to finally appear, he'd rather him be played by Jensen Ackles. The role ultimately ended up going to Warren Christie instead.

    Other Casting Usage (6/55) 
  1. VideoGame.Curses: In-universe. Examining the demon and angel tells you that if you were to cast a film of your adventures so far, you would hire Donald Sutherland to play the demon and Judi Dench to play the angel.
  2. Recap.Film Reroll Jumanji: Charles and Anabelle are compared to Tim Curry and Lesley Ann Warren as Wadsworth and Miss Scarlet, respectively. '''This is a subpage for a podcast, so maybe in-universe? Or fancasting?
  3. Her Code Name Was "Mary Sue", Barney Miller example: Harris starts Hypothetical Casting for a film version, and picks Charles Nelson Reilly as Dietrich because he's "mad at him". in-universe
  4. Characters.Teito Monogatari: Was played by legendary Kabuki actor Tamasaburo Bando V, who is actually a scholar of Kyoka Izumi, and has produced plays based on his works. This is just...regular, non-hypothetical casting?
  5. ComicBook.The Ultimates: At one point, on a slow day they sit around talking about who would play them in the movie of their lives. Naturally, Nick Fury says Samuel L. Jackson (on whom Ultimate Nick Fury was based). Unfortunately, Bruce Banner walks in just as Hank Pym starts suggesting who'd play him in very unflattering terms (Steve Buscemi, just for the record), and this causes Bruce to have something of a breakdown. Who would you cast as yourself in a movie?
  6. Main.Creator Chosen Casting: See also Hypothetical Casting, where a list is made of potential stars to cast in the role,

    Fancasting (6/55) 
  1. Creator.Molly Quinn: She was among many popular fan-casting choices for Clary Fairchild in The Mortal Instruments.
  2. Fanfic.A Cure For Love: Light and L sound like they should be played by David Tennant and John Simms. Reads like audience reaction
  3. Fanfic.Smash Life: There is one made by Lesley Black Velvet here. Yes, weblinks are not examples — but following this link, it reads like the maker is not the author.
  4. Cant Unhear It: Some fans might prefer to hear Victor Caroli's (or even Tony Jay's) voice when they read Tirek's lines in the comics.
  5. Fanfic.Futari Wa Pretty Cure Blue Moon: "Done entirely by the readers." ZCE
  6. Characters.Street Fighter Alpha: For many of her fans, the beautiful Italian actress and Bond Girl, Monica Bellucci, is the perfect real-life Rose. Her artwork for Super Street Fighter IV provides a particularly close resemblance.

Edited by Synchronicity on Dec 27th 2021 at 4:25:00 AM

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#2: Dec 27th 2021 at 2:41:11 PM

Opening.

I agree with moving this to Trivia/

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#3: Dec 27th 2021 at 2:45:43 PM

Agree with moving to trivia, and requiring it to be Word of God, Word of Saint Paul too maybe, examples.

Fancasting should be dumped entirely from this trope and moved to an audience reaction or fanspeak page.

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#4: Dec 27th 2021 at 7:52:01 PM

I agree with moving to Trivia. If people are already putting examples on Trivia subpages, that's usually a good sign that it's the kind of thing that should go there to begin with (compare what happened with Dummied Out not long after we closed the Trivia thread).

Edited by GastonRabbit on Dec 27th 2021 at 9:53:13 AM

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#5: Dec 27th 2021 at 9:37:42 PM

[tup]Move to Trivia.

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#6: Dec 27th 2021 at 9:42:58 PM

This is definitely Trivia. [tup] to move

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#8: Dec 28th 2021 at 2:31:59 AM

Everything about that page suggests behind the scenes situations, maybe an in-universe example here and there. Yes, it should be Trivia.

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#9: Dec 28th 2021 at 4:15:12 AM

Move to Trivia.

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#10: Dec 28th 2021 at 4:16:39 AM

[tup] Move to Trivia.

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#11: Dec 28th 2021 at 4:59:29 AM

Oh yay! I'm glad to see a thread for this, I was the one who originally added it to Tropes Needing TRS.

[tup] Move to trivia. The fancasting examples could be saved in a sandbox to help with creating a page for fancasting.

restrict to Word of God usage (ie. no purely fancasting examples, as several examples are creators going "Hmm, that could work").

Not sure I follow. Examples please?

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#12: Dec 28th 2021 at 7:47:24 AM

My bad, I was in a rush when typing that OP up — I meant it would include creators who agree with popular fancasting, like the Creator.Lindsay Ellis entry:

Lindsay has suggested that an Axiom's End movie would feature Pedro Pascal as Nils. She also agreed with suggestions for Rosa Salazar to play Cora, at least until she realized Salazar's age surpasses that of Cora.

But not just something like "fans think Pedro Pascal should play Nils and Rosa Salazar should play Cora".

Edited by Synchronicity on Dec 28th 2021 at 9:47:42 AM

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#13: Dec 28th 2021 at 9:58:52 AM

I thought this trope had always been trivia, so yeah, I definitely support the move.

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#16: Dec 30th 2021 at 8:06:29 AM

Definitely a Trivia topic.

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#18: Dec 30th 2021 at 5:34:46 PM

Calling in favor of making this Trivia.

Remember that it's only examples that need to be moved to Trivia/ subpages (with the exception for Creator/ page wicks, which are fine where they are). Inline wicks in examples for other items are fine on any page.

Edit: I indexed this under Trivia and posted a notice on the discussion page.

Edit: Added to TRS Wick Cleaning.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Dec 30th 2021 at 7:52:34 AM

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#19: Dec 30th 2021 at 5:56:22 PM

I was thinking to crowner this to finalize removing fancasting from the scope; would we need one?

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#20: Dec 30th 2021 at 5:57:56 PM

[up]Yes. I forgot about that earlier.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Dec 30th 2021 at 7:58:24 AM

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#21: Dec 30th 2021 at 5:59:58 PM

Crowner hooked for whether to trim the definition down to Word of God-derived examples. I unstarred the thread until this is sorted out.

Edit: Removed from TRS Wick Cleaning since I added it prematurely.

Edit: And I accidentally made a typo and misspelled "preclude" in the crowner. That's been fixed as well.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Dec 30th 2021 at 8:13:51 AM

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#22: Dec 30th 2021 at 11:00:29 PM

I could see fancasting as its own audience reaction, but I worry it would attract tropers' personal choices for fancasts. So even an audience reaction would probably need restrictions, like citations or making it Sugar Wiki.

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#23: Jan 3rd 2022 at 5:37:17 AM

Calling in favor of forbidding fan casting and starring the thread. Feel free to Yard fan casting.

Edit: I fixed Laconic.Hypothetical Casting. Fortunately, it was as simple as changing two words.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 3rd 2022 at 7:43:41 AM

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#24: Jan 3rd 2022 at 10:40:20 AM

I went through the main page and removed all pure fancasting examples and those that lacked clarity. I haven't gone through HypotheticalCasting.Fan Works in depths, but from a quick skim it looks like it's all creator comments.

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#25: Jan 3rd 2022 at 3:24:54 PM

It's mostly creator confirmation and a few ZCE / general examples. The Pretty Cure one is fanon-wide for example.

Edited by mightymewtron on Jan 3rd 2022 at 6:25:09 AM

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Restrict to Word Of God usage (i.e., no purely fancasting examples)?

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