To-do list:
- Limit the definition to the original, off-site usage of what is also called "jiggle television" from the 1970s and 80s, as mentioned in this post
, this post, this post, and the opening post and rewrite the description accordingly, and turn the "See also" list at the end of the description into a disambiguation page-style bulleted list, similar to the ones on Stuffed into the Fridge and Mondegreen, and possibly add other related pages to the list.
- Clean up on-page examples and wicks that do not match the off-site definition the page is being retooled to fit. A sandbox to track checked namespaces is at Jiggle Show Cleaning.
Original post:
Note: This thread was proposed by Very Sunshine.A Jiggle Show is a genre about women who don't wear bras, or who wear skimpy clothes, or who wear swimsuits and run around in slow motion, or shows that have "seductive imagery". The description never properly defines the trope. Instead, it lists examples throughout the decades. It says each decade frowned on using jiggle shows while listing shows that were incredibly popular. Unsurprisingly, that lead to tropers having completely different ideas about what the trope actually was.
Jiggle show (or "jiggle television") is a pre-existing term. It was coined by Creator/NBC executive Paul Klien to describe Creator/ABC's television output. Klien used the term to call the shows ABC was producing trashy and low-brow. On this wiki, there are some entries that imply that a Jiggle Show doesn't have to focus on jiggling to count. There are jokes that Jiggle Shows don't have plots. In addition, many people looking at the trope name but not checking the page confused it with Gainaxing, seeing the page as an action and not a genre.
How do other websites define the genre, and what do they consider part of it?
Wikipedia suggests the "use of female television celebrities moving in loose clothing or underwear in a way in which their breasts or buttocks could be seen to shake" was used to attract audiences. It also notes the programs were frequently sexist or suggestive. They include:
- Charlie's Angels
- Wonder Woman
- Three's Company
- Police Woman
- Baywatch
- She Spies
- Beverly Hills, 90210
- Melrose Place
- Charmed
The website Groovy History says "Body parts were bouncing all over the place and it was said to be sexual exploitation of women. Women were typically, now, being shown in skimpy bikinis, towels with NOTHING underneath (oh dear!), nighties and underwear; not to mention that they were also going bra-less in public! Of course, they were… the target audience was 18 – 25 years old!" They include:
Your Dictionary says it's the "gratuitous use of scantily clad women to appeal to television audiences." This page does not include examples.
Britannica says "The new trend was referred to as “jiggle TV” in the popular press (“T&A TV” in less-polite publications) because it tended to feature young, attractive, often scantily clad women (and later men as well)." They include:
The website Flashbak's article "The Breast of the Best: The Top 5 Jiggle TV Shows of the 1970s" defines a Jiggle Show as "gratuitous T&A", a "derogatory label", and could be based more on the promotion than the actual content of the show. They included:
How do examples use the trope?
Method: Due to the fact that many examples have different text on their work pages compared to the trope page, I'm including both in the wick check when they are relevant. They will be sorted according to whichever entry would rank higher. For example, if it's a commented-out ZCE on the work page, but there is context on the trope page, it would be placed on the trope page. However, most of the examples aren't cross-wicked. I also examined the shows mentioned in the description, as those should be clearer examples than most.
- Example on the work page.
- Example on the trope page.
In total, there were:
- 19/58 or 32.8% of wicks were ZC Es or notable absences
- 17/58 or 29.3% of wicks were referencing scenes or characters rather than the work as a whole
- 7/58 or 12.1% of wicks were referencing the genre in general
- 6/58 or 10.3% of wicks were showing multiple characters wearing skimpy clothing
- 5/58 or 8.6% of wicks were showing jiggling breasts or running around braless without additional context
- 3/58 or 5.2% of wicks were discussing a genre focused on the sexualization of women
- 1/58 or 1.7% of wicks were stating that character's breasts didn't jiggle, but not calling that an aversion
- 1/58 or 1.7% were wicks that could not be put into another category
This means that 62.1% of the wicks were either ZC Es or misuse as the trope is usually defined, while 25.9% fit some version of correct usage, and 13.8% were referencing the concept of the genre of could not otherwise be counted.
Notably:
- Two examples involved media usually seen as child-friendly, but both were misuse
- One ZCE mentioned a radio programme, indicating it would probably be misuse if it was given more context
- One example was on three pages, but the ways those examples were phrased meant they each ended up in another category.
How do we fix this?
Each of the five referenced websites defined a Jiggle Show in a different way. While they all agreed that being scantily clad or sexualizing characters was part of the genre, and there's a general consensus that this is used to appeal to an 18-35 demographic, each website includes different details. There are some discrepancies with what shows fit as archetypal examples, but over all, there seems to be agreement. That indicates there is a general consensus that we could reference.
Part of the issue with the page is from the name. While the standard term is "Jiggle Television", we have used "Jiggle Show." However, Jiggle Shows do appear in other media, so renaming it Jiggle Television might be limiting. Adding the word "genre" to the end of the name might cut down on the single scene misuse.
I have a few possible options:
- Overhaul the definition, but keep the name
- Overhaul the definition and change the name
- Nuke the examples and start over
- Clean the existing examples
- Keep it as a Useful Note
Wick Check
General examples
- Major Shifts That Fit: MAVTV in the United States started out its history in 2004 as what could kindly be described as a clone "No Budget SpikeTV", meant to be an even more coarse and crude than the latter with blatant programs meant only to appeal to men such as Manumentaries (profiles of only 'manly men') and Bikini All-Stars, which was a literal Jiggle Show, but without any of that messing acting or any written plots, and just a half-hour of women in the thinnest of bikinis being leered over uncomfortably by men. It got carriage mainly by being very cheap to pick up by cable providers but really didn't get viewership for much more than its motorsports programming, where all of its issues could be ignored for great coverage of races. Soon though (especially after a second season of the equally clonish "Jackass but for women" Rad Girls bombed), it was pretty well on the road to ruin as providers began to drop it and the entire 'lad culture' that allowed MAVTV to get on the air in the first place was on a quick decline. By 2010, its primetime was made up of low-cost Canadian content dramas that usually portend a network's doom, as they might not pay any money to air them, but the advertisers are always horrid on them.
- Bossfight under Stylistic Suck: The game that Eclectic Widget Games advertises is a shooter called 'Angel Protocal', featuring a bunch of Action Girls in bikinis that appears to be a Jiggle Show pandering to horny straight men. Liana however then says she actually kind of wants to play that game.
- Gainaxing: For a live-action TV series that exploits this [breasts bouncing in unrealistic ways], see Jiggle Show. 'Page was in TRS, and may no longer exist. The live-action limitation isn't on the trope page.
- Just Here For Godzilla: Live-Action TV under Specific Shows: One of the best examples of all times is Baywatch, where to the fans the plot was nothing (yes, there was a plot — allegedly) and bouncing boobs on the beach in slow motion was everything. In fact, it's become something of a cliché in itself to quip that the bay wasn't what was being watched in that world, or to outright dub the show Babewatch.
- Jiggle Show: Producer: No bra? No prob!
- Role-Ending Misdemeanor: The fact was that Denise Crosby, the actress playing Tasha Yar, was promised a hard as brass balls role and as often as not wound up with acting directions that amounted to 'Jog down the corridor without a bra.' But rather than deal with it through her agent or grit her teeth and remember that at least she wasn't wearing a cleavage-heavy dress like the ship's counselor, rumor has it Crosby took her ire straight to the writers. It wasn't the wisest of moves.
—Cracked, "10 Most Implausible, Unpleasant, And Infuriating Ways Sci-fi Shows Kill Off Main Characters"
- How I Met Your Mother under Accidental Innuendo: The Show Within a Show Space Teens that starred a teenage Robin is rife with these. It's meant to be an educational kids' show to teach math—and involves math problems about things like pet beavers eating wood. The rest of the HIMYM cast quickly start to point this out and crack jokes as they watch.
Robin: Guys, stop it! It's not like that! This is an adorable kids' show like… Sesame Street, or The Electric Company, or…
Marshall: You can't do that on television.
Robin: Exactly!
Marshall: No. You can't do that on television. [cut to Robin's show, where she and Jessica are jumping in slow mo]
- Girl-Show Ghetto: Towards the fifth season of Charmed, the producers, in the hopes of drawing in more male viewers, started dressing the female leads in more revealing clothes and coming up with various episodes where the sisters would be transformed into magical creatures that would require a skimpy outfit. And when the actresses protested before the final season, they still introduced a younger character who could act as the Ms. Fanservice. Thanks to the marketing focusing on the titillation, it's led to lots of people (The Mary Sue infamously) dismissing it entirely as a Jiggle Show - and the 2018 reboot marketed itself as a "smart, funny, feminist" version of the original. This prompted actress Holly Marie Combs to snark on Twitter "guess we forgot to do it the first time."
- Live-Action TV: One notorious example came with Mork & Mindy. After the first season was a hit, ABC executives wanted Pam Dawber to wear sexier clothing, hoping to bring a Jiggle Show element to the sitcom; Robin Williams and others on the show protested and the idea was scrapped.
- Series/Friends: Also the only reason the guys watch Baywatch.
- The girls on the show, and especially Rachel, are still well-known for their nipples often showing through their clothes. Fans tend to assume that this is because of a lack of undergarments, though Jennifer Aniston has said in interviews that she usually wore a bra and it was "just the way her breasts are". Only found on the trope page.
- In-universe, also the only reason the guys watch Baywatch. A ZCE without the page quote, which shows the boys cheering Yasmine for running down the beach.
- Horrible: Live-Action TV: The Trouble with Tracy is thought to have been made just to fulfill a then-financially-unsteady CTV's quota for Canadian content. There's certainly no other justification for this 130-episode 1970s sitcom, which went on for six months due to a desperate attempt by CTV to recoup their investments. Due to a severe lack of time and money, they couldn't shoot on-location, build convincing sets, or even retake scenes. The scripts were, for the most part, recycled from the 1930-45 radio series Easy Aces, with a few topical references (such as Tracy's deadbeat hippie brother) shoehorned in. The show currently has a 3.8 rating on IMDb, and this clip of the show rightfully labels it as the "Worst Sitcom Ever". People (mostly men) who do remember it at all fondly do so for the star Diane Nyland, not for any acting ability she may have had but for her revealing wardrobe (to the point that Wikipedia memorably described Tracy as being "played by Diane Nyland in a miniskirt" for many years). In that sense, the combination of hackneyed, stale sitcom plots and the female lead in skimpy clothing presage the Jiggle Show trend from later in the decade very nicely.
- Death Proof under Best Known for the Fanservice: The first half of the film has three girls wandering around Texas in short shorts and tight t-shirts. This is so ingrained in pop culture, people who haven't seen the film assume it's a two hour Jiggle Show.
- Americas Next Top Model Cycle Three under Toccora: Commented-out ZCE. Given that it's on a character page, it's not likely to be about a genre.
- Y Gwyll under Detective Inspector Mared Rhys: In the first series in particular, her determined walk is almost always shown from the front. To an extent, it's Truth in Television for a woman of her figure.
- ☯utlaw St★rr: Within and outside of music videos. Appears to be a fictitious band.
- Bring It On: Every movie features lots of this.
- Charlie's Angels (2000): The original series was the Trope Maker, and the movies followed in its footsteps.
- The Adventures of Mikuru Asahina: One suspects most viewers only watched this for the shots of Mikuru’s, um, assets. A joke page for a Show Within a Show.
- Ah My Buddha: Commented out ZCE.
- Blake's 7: famously parodied on radio show The Burkiss Way. A two-for-one ZCE.
- Pink Lady and Jeff under Hotter and Sexier: The show was a spicier take on the Variety Show format to make it palatable for the more jaded tastes of the post-Watergate era. It would become a key example of why the first wave of Jiggle Shows didn't get past 1980.
- New Girl: The girl dressed as a Native American in the pilot. Commented-out ZCE.
- Cyborg (2007): Commented out ZCE.
- Pear Cider and Cigarettes: More than once, Valley makes sure to show us how pert his wife's bosom is.
- YMMV/Bossfight under Do Not Do This Cool Thing: The in-universe 'Angel Protocol' is meant to be a Stylistic Suck parody of bad Jiggle Shows from the 2000s - but some aspects of it look quite fun.
- Career Opportunities under Signature Scene: Josie riding a mechanical horse, for obvious reasons.
- Superhero Series: Super Models is a Jiggle Show mixed with superhero stories. It also has some cursing and censored nudity. It doesn't help that children's animation voice actors such as Kath Soucie, Grey DeLisle and Jim Ward voice the characters.
- Pokémon The Abridged Series: Misty's sisters perform one in episode 7.
- The '70s: Practically every American TV show airing in the late 1970s certainly had some fanservice in it (Happy Days and Little House on the Prairie being the only exceptions), but shows like Charlie's Angels and Three's Company were quite blatant about it, their only reason for existing being to show the beautiful female stars in skimpy or otherwise form-flattering outfits.
- Main/Padding: Shandra: The Jungle Girl has two longish scenes that could be removed without affecting the plot in anyway. The first where Karen sits in her bath watching a Jiggle Show on television. The second is where Shandra goes to the strip club in search of a victim and there is an entire striptease act shown before she attacks the fat patron outside. Referencing an in-universe show.
- Chorus Girls: Compare the Jiggle Show (the women are actually the stars of the show, rather than decoration).
- Creator/ABC: With Silverman's invention of the Jiggle Show (with Charlie's Angels and Three's Company), loading the schedule with sitcoms (Happy Days and others), and the broadcast of several significant Mini Series (Roots, Rich Man Poor Man), sports events (Monday Night Football, Wide World Of Sports, the Olympic Games), and other big-draw spectacles (including the Sunday Night Movie, which aired major theatrical features such as the James Bond films, and live events like the Academy Awards Ceremonies), the network saw both its ratings position and its revenue skyrocket.
- Ayn Rand under Web Original: The character Ann Rearden of Bossfight is a parody of her; depicting her as the jaded executive of a video game company that makes mindless Jiggle Shows, but who has a Heel–Face Turn when Princess Sparklemuffin convinces her to embrace her love of musical theatre. She's named after Lilian Rearden from Atlas Shrugged. Unclear if Jiggle Show applies to video games.
- Tenjho Tenge under Girl on Girl Is Hot/Les Yay: This, like other examples of jiggle shows in anime does have its share of potential Les Yay. The biggest example is the fairly infamous scene with Aya and Chiaki early in the series, with slightly different ways of Chiaki seducing Aya but Aya ending up getting away. In the Anime they were both wearing towels covering their naughty bits and Chiaki is trying to seduce her. In the Manga they were both seen nude and while Chiaki is just seducing Aya it really looks like they are having sex. Both of them ended in the same way though; Aya using her powers to get away and both of them apologizing over how that happened.
- Todd in the Shadows under Clueless Aesop: He feels this way about the entire Charlie's Angels franchise, from the original TV show onward. On paper, it was one of the most feminist shows on television and clearly meant to appeal to women, a show about three Action Girls who quit their old police jobs because the sexists in charge didn't recognize their talents and became glamorous private detectives instead... but most people remember it, for good reason, as a Jiggle Show in which those three women were portrayed chiefly as sex objects. The 2000 film adaptation had a similar identity crisis, being, if anything, even more tasteless and oversexualized yet also having its theme song by Destiny's Child be a female empowerment anthem.
- King of the Hill: The finale of "Boxing Luanne." She finds out only after challenging Freeda Foreman —as in, the daughter of George Foreman— that her boxing career has been a mere Jiggle Show for a bunch of drunk men, and all her opponents were patsies hired to take a dive. Luanne takes a big payoff to throw the match she obviously can't win, but seeing the guys in the audience continuing to drool over her while she waits for the 10-count makes Luanne change her mind. She gets back up at the count of 9 and begins fighting for real, while the guys who were catcalling and ogling her moments before start cheering her on and yelling actual encouragement, and she even manages to get a few good shots in on Foreman. Does she win? Of course not; her opponent was Freeda Foreman. Does she lose on points, but still hold her ground and go the distance against a far superior opponent? HO YEAH!
- Airplane!: The film includes a "cameo" from a pair of ridiculously bouncy breasts.
- Freddy vs. Jason: Lori provides one of these at the end of the film.
- Murder at 1600 under Ms. Fanservice: An odd and version-specific case. If you saw this film on pay-TV in the late 90s or early 2000s, that is to say, if you saw the Pan and Scan version, the scene at Spikings' house is very different from what you would have seen in the theater or in a widescreen version. When Chance runs in to back up Regis, the shot is tightly cropped and follows her closely as she runs across the lawn. In the widescreen version, it's pretty much a static shot on a much wider field, with Lane's bouncing bosom considerably less noticeable.
- The Gold of Naples under Head-Turning Beauty: All the men in the neighborhood like to gawk at luscious Sofia, who puts on quite the Jiggle Show as she's making pizza.
- How I Met Your Mother under Season Six: The entirety of "Glitter". From the porn trope-infested "Space Teens" (the inexplicable Jiggle Show sequence along with the whole gang's reaction to Robin & Jessica "aiding" Alan Thicke both deserve special mentions) to Jessica as the NY Rangers' organist (with her playing some of the bars from "Take Me Out to the Ball Game" after mentioning Robin's previous suicide attempt) and "The Beaver Song", the whole episode is just spit-out-your-drink funny.
- Drunken Peasants: A viewer in the chatroom asked TJ to "jiggle your tits, please", with TJ responding appropriately.
- (Continued work page example) Dr. Segmento is TJ's stomach flab, animated ventriloquist-style by Paul's voice. Whenever he's on the show briefly becomes a parodic subversion.
- Buffy the Vampire Slayer S 3 E 8 "Lover's Walk" under Fanservice: Buffy jumping rope in a low-cut top.
- S F Debris under Distracted by the Sexy: Happens to Chuck while he reviews "A Night in Sickbay" as Archer is talking with T'Pol as she jogs on a treadmill in a skimpy tank-top.
"Archer, I'm a human, and all I can understand about you is that you're an idiot, insane, or both, and why do I have a sudden craving for milkshakes?!"- Are You Being Served?: Quickly became one after the addition of Miss Belfridge, leading up to Miss Brahms' performance in the finale.
- The Carol Burnett Show: Mainly limited to Bernadette Peters singing in anything low-cut.
- The Price Is Right under Fanservice: The models, particularly when they break out the swimsuits or leotards. There's a reason the show offers an average of at least one pool/spa or boat per episode...and a reason why those prizes get the most cheers from the audience. Likewise with leotards and exercise equipment. If they're dressed this way for a final Showcase, the closing credits can become a Jiggle Show as they walk with the winner.
- Wonder Woman (1975): There's a reason some say "the Baywatch run" was invented by this series. Observe this scene from "Amazon Hot Wax". Weblinks aren't examples!
- Lynda Carter taught Series/Baywatch how it is done. "Amazon Hot Wax" features this scene complete with slow motion, framing, and the all of the bounce that anyone can ask for. Barely has enough context, but that might be my bias from having read many lists stating the show is a valid example.
- The Little Mermaid (1989) under Fan Disservice: Ursula's Jiggle Show during "Poor Unfortunate Souls".
- LayCool under Dropped a Bridge on Her: Michelle's departure seemed really rushed. They began to show cracks a while ago, but aside from a couple of sneak attacks and a couple of matches, there wasn't much of a payoff for it, especially in comparisons to other current feuds such as Michael Cole vs. Jerry Lawler. Real Life Writes the Plot below seemed to indicate that there might have been more to it, but it got cut short for one reason or another. It's especially bad since Michelle and Layla are a couple of WWE's better Divas and LayCool was one of the things that made Women's wrestling a little more enjoyable to watch (since WWE's writers tend to forget storyline most of the time and turn the Divas into a PG-rated Jiggle Show.) Because they're talking about these twom and not female wrestling as a whole.
- How the Grinch Stole Christmas! under Values Dissonance: Adult!Martha isn't much better. Her many, many provocative outfits and lustful attitude were already considered Fetish Retardant when the film was first released (her first scene alone has her rapid-firing from a canon that causes her to jiggle around a lot while wearing a stripperiffic Santa-themed hoop skirt and bustier), but like the above, having such blatant female objectification and explicit sexuality in a family movie would greatly upset people concerned with the effect of both on children.
- The Misfits under Best Known for the Fanservice: The scene of Roslyn playing paddleboard is widely remembered, and provides the page image. The way it's often described, one would think the entire film turns into a Jiggle Show - when there are only two brief shots, and another Male Gazey one of her ass from the perspective of two leches.
- Progressively Prettier: Tough Enough winner Nidia's lack of push for all her efforts up to getting breast implants somewhat soured her on the industry when she was then released in favor of "divas" not trained to be wrestlers but chosen because they apparently fit WWE's new direction better. She toured the world with Gail Kim following but unlike her didn't find another promotion that could reignite her passion for the business and quit. There's plenty of context, but I'm unsure which category this should be in.
Examples from the description, which should theoretically have the best description of what the trope is:
- Charlie's Angels: The original and canonical example. Women running without bras tend to jiggle, and the show made a point of playing this for Fanservice (though not as much as you might think — fans have selective memories).
- The show made a point of having the heroines run and jump without bras. Unlike many of its successors, it was also quite plot-heavy and would have been a decent detective show without the fan service.
- Three's Company: Probably one of the Trope Codifier examples. Chrissy doesn't wear a bra and is frequently shown jumping up and down in celebration, for no apparent reason. Jack likes watching her and even comments that she cheers better than anyone he knows.
- Commented out ZCE on trope page.
- Baywatch: Quite literally. The show was famous for showing well-endowed women running in not very supportive swim suits.
- Trope Codifier: Baywatch has frequent slow-motion shots of running women in bikinis.
- The Facts of Life: No direct mention, but the entry for Fanservice states "The first season was made at the height of the "Jiggle TV" era codified by then-NBC president and CEO Fred Silverman during his previous tenure as president of ABC Entertainment, so the older girls ran around in skimpy shorts for large portions of every episode. When new producers Linda Marsh and Margie Peters arrived to do the second season Retool, they insisted on less exploitative wardrobes."
- The Facts of Life began this way. With high-school-aged girls dressed skimpily, the show is a little disturbing to watch now. Season two was retooled and toned down.
- Lost Girl: A 21st-century version. There isn't very much actual jiggling, since all the women wear bras most of the time, but there is so much focus on Bo's cleavage that the fans have invented a special term for it ("Boobs o'clock").
- Lost Girl is an example from The New '10s, where all the women wear bras (and thus don't jiggle) but so much attention is spent on the protagonist's cleavage that fans have invented a special term, "Boobs O'Clock", for it. The fact that she's a supernatural creature who has to have sex often or else she'll die doesn't exactly lower the amount of Fanservice.
- The Love Boat: No entry on the work page.
- No entry on trope page.
- Married... with Children: No entry on the work page.
- No entry on trope page.
- Game of Thrones: No entry on work page.
- No entry on trope page.
Edited by Berrenta on Feb 7th 2023 at 1:29:52 PM
She / Her
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to limiting the definition.
Oversized Garden Ornament
(Never mind).
Edited by GnomeTitan on Feb 3rd 2023 at 10:24:29 AM
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
If we turn the "See also" section into a bulleted list without making this definition-only, I'm considering turning it into an index of related tropes, since some trope pages have those and this will still be a trope if we don't make it definition-only.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Calling in favor of the following:
- Limit the definition to the original, off-site usage of what is also called "jiggle television" from the 1970s and 80s, as mentioned in this post, this post, this post, and the opening post
- Turn the "See also" list at the end of the description into a disambiguation page-style bulleted list, similar to the ones on Stuffed into the Fridge and Mondegreen, and possibly add other related pages to the list
Oversized Garden Ornament
So what's the next step? Rewriting the "trope" description to limit the definition per the crowner?
Unfortunately I have very little free time for the next two weeks and won't be able to help during that period.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Yeah, it needs to be rewritten, but no rush.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Feb 7th 2023 at 11:41:05 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
How sweet it is
I'll start cleanup on wicks. Since some can be kept, I'll set up a sandbox here.
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How sweet it is
We're in the double digits in wicks.
Seen a discussed and a conversed example, but both were valid; former's from the time period, while the latter talks about a show from the genre.
Edited by Berrenta on Feb 10th 2023 at 11:28:39 AM
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Just stoic wisdom.
Alright, knocked out a couple more.
Vehicle-Based Characterization | Grief-Induced Split | Locker Mail
How sweet it is
Okay, there's one in Film/ that needs a second look.
Edited by Berrenta on Feb 15th 2023 at 6:56:29 AM
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Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Wait, how much has been getting removed? We didn't make this definition-only. If there haven't been enough valid examples, does this need to be given an example drive on TLP?
Edit: Or is this something that had a limited lifespan and doesn't need very many examples listed to begin with?
Edited by GastonRabbit on Feb 15th 2023 at 7:49:52 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
How sweet it is
In hindsight, we may have a Forgotten Trope. I asked in the Dead Tropes cleanup thread.
I may declare Film/ as done in the meantime, unless if someone objects. The surviving wick is a work within the year range of the trope.
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Ah, I guess that's just a possibility I didn't consider until after example cleanup progressed.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
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Tbh, I thought it was pretty clear that if kept a trope, it'd have to be a Forgotten Trope since a lot of the conversation about the concept had been about its historical usage and issue was that most modern shows do not fit / were shoehorns. (That's also part of why I wanted it Def Only because the concept has long since died given that kind of purely objectifying content fell to the wayside when thrid wave feminism started criticizing them in the 90s)
Edited by amathieu13 on Feb 15th 2023 at 11:29:17 AM
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Eh, well, if it's classified as a Forgotten Trope, then a lack of wicks isn't a problem anyway. I have yet to look at the Related page of a Forgotten Trope and see a wick count that isn't a double-digit amount.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Feb 15th 2023 at 6:58:05 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Nintendo Fanatic Extraordinaire
In the trope description, should we cut the part about the 2010s and twerking as they are stretches (no pun intended)?
Kirby is awesome.
Professional Wick Checker
Yeah, I think so.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
randomtroper89 removed it, and I agree with that decision. (I accidentally removed the other parts of that paragraph because I misread the above posts, but reverted it back to how it was after randomtroper removed the part about twerking and noted what happened.)
Edited by GastonRabbit on Feb 16th 2023 at 3:43:31 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
How sweet it is
Okay, we just have Series/ left for wicks.
How's the on-page stuff coming along?
Edited by Berrenta on Feb 16th 2023 at 2:30:38 PM
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I have merged the paragraphs and simplified them.
Kirby is awesome.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
I tried my hand at cleaning up the on-page examples, between cutting ZCEs and a violation of Examples Are Not Arguable (an example that said it "probably fits here" probably not fitting here), and I cut examples that didn't clearly fit the revised definition, at least as written (particularly works more recent than the time period it's from, aside from in-universe examples featuring a Show Within a Show).
Edited by GastonRabbit on Feb 17th 2023 at 3:52:03 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
How sweet it is
Finished the wick cleaning. Do we have any on-page examples that need to be crosswicked?
Edit: Okay, did a bit more cleaning and crosswicking. As for on page examples: does the Family Guy example count, or are we declaring that misuse?
Edited by Berrenta on Feb 17th 2023 at 12:15:55 PM
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Sounds good on paper (he/him)
I removed it because upon further inspection, it doesn't appear to fit (it refers to Sideboob while the trope itself is more about cleavage).
I think we can just lock the thread with that out of the way, so locking.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Crown Description:
Jiggle Show's definition doesn't quite match the original preexisting term, and it attracts Zero Context Examples. What should be done with Jiggle Show?