Discussion Horrible / WesternAnimation

Been prepping for this inevitable suggestion. Even with it being pretty near unanimously hated by viewers 59% from Rotten Tomatoes critics is WAY too high. Also, it literally just came out.

Everybody hating on it is mostly focusing on the writing and concepts. The animation and voice work is apparenly mostly pretty competent, and others have said it gets less awful past episode one. I think it's just a target for hatred for the sake of it right now, bu it's not SBIH compared to something like Santa Inc which got bad critical reviews and also doesn't have great visuals.

And maybe we should way until a month after the first season ends before we could judge if Velma is worthy of being SBIH or not.

Though, I suspect the show will get worse before it gets better.

Okay, it's been over a month since Season 1 ended, and I think you're right on the money, Ivanov Troping 97. Haven't really seen any positive reviews for Velma afterward. While some people do speak on some positives the show has, they aren't anywhere near enough for them to help save the show from this list. At the very least, the ads from before its release felt more like foreshadowing of what was to come from the show itself.

Yeah. Pretty much no one likes Velma. I think we can add it here.

Might want to wait until after Season 2 to avoid any "It might get better" pushback.

Alright then. But if it gets cancelled or the second season gets just as bad if not worse ratings, I think we can safely put it here.

I've heard that Grey DeLisle, the recurring voice of Daphne Blake since What's New, Scooby Doo?, bashed the Velma show, saying that it's a bastardization of a beloved classic cartoon and wouldn't have worked as a standalone adult animated series.

You know you screwed up badly when even the people involved with other Scooby-Doo adaptations criticize your adaptation of the show, along with the audience.

So yeah, we're getting a second season (God, help us) but it's not announced when it's coming out yet.

The writing is pretty awful, but the animation and art is pretty solid and it seems like Myth Arc is somewhat competently handled. That's probably enough to keep it off this list.

^ Santa Inc. had stop motion animation (and pretty dang good stop motion animation too) so Awesome Art isn't a disqualifying factor to be on the list.

So would we have to wait until the second season came out and wrapped up before adding it here?

^ Yup

Fair enough.

I hate how Scooby-Doo! and the Mystery Pups, Coyote vs. Acme, Scoob! Holiday Haunt, and Scooby-Doo! and the Haunted High Rise all got cancelled yet Velma is getting a second season.

^ Well, that's the power of hatewatching

Season 2 is finally out and the reception has not gotten better

I think we can write the entry 6 months after S2's release date

Especially considering the 11% Rotten Tomatoes critic score, a 3.8 on IM Db, a ton of negative videos and articles about it with people finding very little redeeming about it, and hell even the families of Eric Monte and Mike Evans hated this reboot, it's worth keeping an eye on until we can add it on May 13th.

Being a ripoff and being right-wing are not alone to make a work horrible. We would need more info. Let the dust settle as it might just be a hot button controversy.

I think it's worth looking into at least, its IMDB rating is pretty abysmal and I've heard nothing but bad things about it even putting political bias aside (most notably that it's just a very boring show that stretches the Adults Are Useless trope so far that it undermines its own foundation of patriarchy and family values). And for what it's worth, the show isn't even overtly right-wing; like all Bentkey material, it tries to present itself as "apolitical" to market to a wider demographic while still not straying from its own conservative values, unlike, say, Leo & Layla which is overt propaganda. Overall, it seems to have attractive a lot of ire from both left-wing reviewers and apolitical cartoon or Bluey focused content creators.

Probably not...

I don't think it's a question of when, but if Primos will get to air.

^I doubt it

I don't think so. Things can't be added because of a review by a Caustic Critic alone, and while many people certainly hate this show I've noticed a vocal minority on Instagram that begs HBO for a season 2.

In any case, isn't 5.5/10 on IMDB considered too high for a list like this

A score like that certainly didn't stop the Ren and Stimpy: Adult Party Cartoon.

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The Prince has been cancelled after one season, so...

I've seen a lot of weird cryptobros on Twitter rather violently attack people who criticise it, even though everyone who isn't into crypto absolutely hates it. So it was successful with its target audience.

I also think it's a web animation, not a televised/streamed show, so it wouldn't count under how the wiki defines the "Western Animation" namespace.

We previously had NFTs listed on one of the Horrible pages but it was quickly removed because of its strong fanbase and because the bubble hasn't popped (yet).

Understandable points there. Still, it is fair to question when a point is clear for a web animated series to potentially count if it starts out bad and doesn't really improve upon itself. Not to mention if it should qualify in a grouping like Western Animation or something else altogether.

I would like to add, however, that NFT bros have very low standards if they consider it to be "good". And I would personally say that "rather violently attack people who criticise it" is not helping the case against inclusion IMO. Just as a work has to fail to appeal to a niche to qualify, I think a work should also qualify if the work isn't just bad on its own merits, but those who are fans of it are that level of psychotic.

^ First off, we should probably not call fans of anything "psychotic," even though I do not like NFT bros much at all. Second, that doesn't address the issue of it being web animation (and, for that matter, being too new to list).

On the matter of it being well received by its target audience. The I believe that the only reason it was has nothing to do with its quality, but rather with its monetary value. The NFT bros don't care that it's shit, they only care that it's valuable. That's all they care about it for them to consider it good at all. Not because of any artistic quality, but because it's expensive and can sell at all for the sake of selling.

Welp, it's apparently going to air more episodes on Apple TV and Amazon Prime. So I guess that's one problem solved now...

Only after we see how the streamed episodes are received. If they still suck, then we can add it after a month of premiering.

As stated on the commented-out page note, it can't be added until January 2 due to No Recent Examples, Please!. However, it does seem likely that it'll qualify even without the review bombing issues.

Probably "reverse review-bombed" by die-hard John K fanatics. Considering John K's reputation this day and age, I think it should stay.

I've rarely seen people strongly defend it, so IDK if it's at the level of review bombing. I think they'll defend certain episodes, though. I think Wikipedia also has mixed reviews in the reception so it is unclear to me if it truly counts, even though it blew when it aired on TV.

It has a 5.3/10 on IMDb, which is low but still too high for this list.

However, only 33 people rated it so the law of large numbers isn't really in effect yet.

I would presume so, though only if the score was natural and not review bombed down as such. Though considering the animation quality at hand also, I would think it earned its case there.

If most of the reviews are politically charged review bombs, it may be hard to find legit criticism. Personally, the stop motion looks good enough for me to disqualify it, even if the writing is awful.

I don't know if it's true or not but I've heard at least one person say that professional critics are refusing to review it because the creators of the show keep labeling people who criticize them as white supremacists and other awful things so since they can't say anything good about the show they are just saying nothing at all.

It only came out on December 2, right? In that case, it's too early to add anyway, as No Recent Examples, Please! bars Horrible entries added less than a month after release.

It's also not our place to speculate about why critics aren't leaving bad reviews — though I hesitate to believe your claim, as Variety gave a negative review and I believe they're a pretty mainstream, non-Nazi source. The criticism seems to be lauded at audience reviews, which indeed may muddy our ability to scope out legit audience criticism.

So basically, it might count, but we need to wait several weeks for the dust to settle so we can shove aside all the weird Nazi backlash and see what the general consensus is.

We literally have discussed in the forums multiple times that it doesn't qualify as the Imdb score is review bombed and Twitter shows overall mixed reception. Trailer still qualifies, but definitely not the show itself.

It only has a 1.2 because angry weebs review-bombed it. Regular non-obsessive viewers seem to just be indifferent.

Thunder Cats Roar does have some fans, so it doesn't count. If anything it's just So Okay, It's Average.

It only has that score because it's most likely been review-bombed by asshurt nostalgia-blinded babies who think threatening to shoot up schools is funny and unironically parrot slanderous buzzwords created by a washed-up pedophile. The only "horrible" thing about Roar is its hatedom.

Okay, I get you guys playing devils advocate, but you seem to have a misunderstanding of the rules for entry onto this page. So I'm gonna go through them real quick.

Rules (Taken from the Main Page)

1. The work as a whole is truly terrible by the standard of the medium involved, with a low quality in all aspects of work creation: storytelling, drawing, writing, and so on. —- If you look at actual reviews and not just review scores, there are mostly negative reviews of the series that are not just about "nostalgia blinded babies". The common points of those legit reviews are "bad animation, bad art, unfunny humor, disrespectful attitude towards the original". These are major sources of issues that definitely would qualify as horrible outside of the last one, which can be more subjective despite it being a recurring theme in the reviews.

2. The work has a small audience, and if it's produced for profit it has poor sales. — MEANING that it isn't disqualified just because it has fans. It can have fans and still qualify as this trope. And by any objective standpoint, clearly that fanbase was not strong enough to last them a season, as the series was cancelled after all.

3. The work has been panned by multiple critics for its low quality. The work's flaws may be parodied by a number of other works, and in some cases the work may even become a pop culture-level Snark Bait. — Again, see above point. It's not just about people who are just hating to be hated, there are legit reviews of the series out there. What seems to be more of a consistent issue isn't the hatedom, but a majority of journalists who hate the fans who hate the show and will not listen to what they have to say. Something I thoroughly expect here because of the wording of those fans. The fact that many spend more time talking about fans than the show itself is a concerning idea.

And I'm gonna make it clear, I'm not and have never been a fan of Thundercats of any incarnation, so I have no nostalgic feelings for it, but the facts are facts. This show was bad, didn't catch on with its target audience or older fans and has many aspects to it that are legitimately considered bad.

It is more than qualified for an entry on this trope. And if anything, the idea that "it has fans, so it's not eligible" needs to end because that's not what the rules say, as I just quoted. And in the future, let us be civil instead of resorting to the same buzzwords. Just pointing out that people use those buzzwords, then use similar buswords like asshurt or extreme hyperbole does not make you look any better.

I hadn't been on this page on a while. Since it's qualified by definition of the trope, I'll dig up the old entry I made and put it back in with a few revisions.

How many positives are there?

How many positives are there?

I looked around and out of 63 reviews, 27 of them gave the show an 8/10 or above (and 18 of these positive reviews were a perfect 10/10).

That's quite a bunch.

I was about to suggest this as well. So far I have seen nothing positive being said about the show. The art is mediocre at best, but the real issue is that the show flaunts how "progressive" it is while proceeding to take mean-spirited, unsubtle potshots at anyone the creators don't like. For example, one scene involves a group of three straw losers wearing shirts labeled "GAMERGATE" ^* despite the fact that the movement has been more or less silent for years by the time the show started, "PEPE"(the frog) ^* who is occasionally associated with far/alt-right political groups but even then its usually in jest and not meant to be taken seriously, and "ANIME" ^* despite the fact that Anime is responsible for popularizing the Magical Girl genre in the first place. The Big Bad is just as unsubtle, being a blatant amalgation of Pepe(again) and Donald Trump ^* he's a bright orange frog/toad with blond hair in a business suit.

EDIT: The labelnotes got ruined by the discussion format. but hopefully everything should still make sense.

It was positively reviewed by professional critics, so it doesn't really count.

I second this!!! It's very poorly animated, awful voice acting, insipid plots etc.

Third. Absolutely nothing about the show works at all.

I definitely wouldn't protest adding that abomination.

7.8/10 IMDB, 97% Tomatometer. I can't assume you have a political motive for suggesting it (despite suspecting you do), but given the time you suggested Batwoman, that possibility can't be completely dismissed.

Actually, I like both shows quite a lot. I don't expect you to believe and just assume I'm trying to cover my ass, but I'm not. I'm just kinda trolling to preemptively shut down any real jackoffs that might try to suggest those shows get on here.

I'm on the fence. While critics despise it, it has a 5.4 on IMDB (more average than anything) and I saw praise on Twitter from either Phil Lord or Chris Miller, maybe both. I brought this to the SBIH cleanup thread in the forums, feel free to join me as we await the consensus.

Not horrible, hard as it is to believe with his looney antics, Butch still has a fanbase, and most Noog Network shots have more likes than dislikes on youtube.

I think that show would go into Love It or Hate It considering there is also a hatedom for that show.

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I really don't think this entry belongs here:

• King Star King: Horrible animation, a nonsensical plot, constant use of Gorn (Superjail! is guilty of this too, but at least it's somewhat humorous), treating its viewers as though they're morons, and just...plain ugly visuals. All this leads to one viewing and one viewing only on Adult Swim, with no promos to show it even existed. If you really want to take a look for yourselves, here's the (thankfully dropped) pilot.

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Seconded.

I took this to the SBIH cleanup thread when it was first added, and general consensus is that it qualifies.

It has a 5.6 on IMDB (although one review is misrated as high when it was negative), and it DOES have fans, and at least some Ren & Stimpy fans think its So Okay, It's Average. I read that it was popular in some Eastern European countries, so absolutely doesn't count.

Yeah. I honestly think it's only on here for the sake of giving John K. his own section. He's a scumbag who's well past his prime, I won't argue that, but I feel that can be noted within the write-up for Cans Without Labels.

Never mind, it got a 6.4 on IMDB...somehow...

No.

Part of it is because it's been overdone, but another is because all i hear of it is "animation sucks" with an occasional quip of the voice acting.

No.

Part of it is because it's been overdone, but another is because all i hear of it is "animation sucks" with an occasional quip of the voice acting.

Hatred for Uwe Boll is overdone yet that is in Tpthe films page

Awful animation Awful voice acting Unfunny dialogue and plots Weirdly, it's too normal to even be considered avant garde, the one fandom that may have liked the show. The plots are fairly standard and The style is too gaudy to even appreciate the times the animation is decent.

I agree with Larry Larry and don't see why "it's been overdone" is a good reason against adding the show to the list. If a show is infamous and universally disliked, it belongs on the list.

Wikipedia has an article on the show. The Broadcast and reception section lists some reviews that criticize various aspects of the show, not just the animation. However, it also suggests that the show (not just the art style) does appeal to a niche, which disqualifies it.

This thing definetly needs to be here.

Well, the show failed to attract its target audience. Most of the child reviews on Common Sense Media give it one star. There are five reviews that give it higher, two of which are two-star. Would that still let it qualify?

I agree that it deserves to be here. Even if you look past the animation and voice acting, the stories and characters are also abysmal.

I think it could.

Nope. Web Originals are banned from the Horrible pages.

But we have Cans Without Labels, West Wing Story and Mule Mom's Story. Are of those are Web Originals.

Cut.

Looks like it qualifies. Definitely needs mention of how friggen long it took to be made.

Found an upload with around 50 likes and 300 dislikes. One of the worst ratios I've ever seen. Add 'er.

I'd say no. It seems to have fans that are trying to get the show on DVD.

I think it qualifies.

I guess it could be here. I haven't seen a single person who likes the show.

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That...really depends on whether we should count it as part of the old show, or consider it a separate entity (most view it as the latter). All I can say is to look to others for advice.

I want to add it on the sole criteria that even the freaking THEME SONG states how awful an idea it was ("So Pinky and the Brain/They have a new domain/It's what the network wants/Why bother to complain?"). Unfortunately, according to Mr. Enter, it also had won several awards. Why? I don't know. But if this is true, then I suppose it doesn't count.

It got So Okay, It's Average critical reviews, has at least some fans, and, at least to me, isn't that bad. It is mostly just mediocre. Plus, it got nominated for an Emmy, which is an instant disqualification.

Bad animation isn't enough to qualify for this. Plenty of well-regarded shows have poor animation.

Otherwise, it doesn't really look like it qualifies to me? The writing is boring but it doesn't seem to actively be fucking up.

I'd agree with you, but I've seen enough people who think it's funny, (and some that get bizarrely enthusiastic about defending it) that I don't feel we should put it here.

Wait, that crap got a sequel? It's probably bad enough if it's at least half a year old and has 0% on Rotten Tomatoes. Go ahead.

It belongs in the subpage for Animated Films if it's that bad.

I dunno...I mean, yeah it's pretty low-par on today's standards, but I found it entertaining when I first saw it as a kid. This may just be nostalgia talking, though.

I have an objection: it's a movie, so if it's truly So Bad Its Horrible, it should at least go in the subpage for Animated Films instead.

I say it counts.

Then all we need is an entry.

Can someone please come up with an entry, I've been waiting months and it probably counts.

Madballs Gross Jokes suffers from things like really bad Limited Animation, attempted Vulgar Humor that's neither funny nor Nausea Fuel, unlikable characters, Viewers Are Morons, and being a variety show. It's been thrashed by Mr. Enter and Tooncrap.

It already has an entry, and it deserves that entry. I could barely sit through that ugly, artificial-feeling, uninspired, contrived snooze fest—and I almost (key word is "almost") enjoyed Full English!

It's on the Eastern Animation page now.

But where IS the Eastern Animation page?

The page was apparently cut later. A long time ago apparently.

You must be looking for the subpage for Asian Animation

...but The Nutshack isn't there...

I never saw the film, but the Box Office failing part may have had something to do with the lack of advertising, meaning barely anyone knew it even existed. I may be wrong, though, but this is one of the few times I've even heard of it going to DVD, let alone theaters.

Actually I remember the ads so there wasn't a lack of advertising but I haven't seen it since it looked lame. It did go to theaters. Just wanted to inform Sam Max.

Yup, definitely qualifies.

Thank you, idisagree. I just didn't remember that many ads at all. Now that I think about it, perhaps I wasn't paying attention.

Back on topic, if it doesn't qualify here, I guess it at least qualifies for Sequelitis. I'll be right back after I see the reactions to be certain.

I'm back! Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic seem to have low scores for both users and critics. However, it also has a 3 and a half Star Average, though I was uncertain of the time I had to do this, so I didn't read all of them, but it seem their kids enjoyed it while the parents were either mildly amused or angered at how bad it got Sequelitis. What do you think about may findings?

If we're going to keep Daddy Day Camp in Film, we may as well add HT here.

No! That sounds like more non-critic viewers liked it than not!

How do you figure? It has very low user scores, as mentioned above.

I think it qualifiers, seeing as no one liked it. that and it bombed in every possible way. If you choose to put it on, here's what i think it should say

"Hoodwinked Too: Hood Vs Evil. It takes Sequulitis to a whole new level. While the first film was original and funny, this movie is ...not. The story is practicality made of cliches, the characters are entirely one note, and the jokes are either pointless references to older movies, or Running Gags that were not even funny the first time. The animation is also really bad, and even worst than the first movie. The fact that was released in ''theaters' is baffling."

if you think this needs works, than go ahead, give me input

A good chunk of the amazon.com reviewers don't find it the worst. Doesn't that count for something of a fanbase, or at least a disqualification from this list?

And I apologize for the earlier post. Must not have been awake that day for it to have poor grammar. Amazon is also where the 3 1/2 average comes from. My apologies for not clarifying that earlier as well.

i don't know, quite a few SBIH films have their "fans" and this one doesn't have enough, i think the low RT (11 percent!) and IMDB scores make it more than qualified

it's also worthy of note that the film's co-wroter Cory edwards expressed disappointment with the final film,

If it's truly So Bad Its Horrible, then at least put it in the proper page, alright? I'm not trying to defend it; this page is just for shows, as opposed to movies.

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I actually kind of enjoyed Coconut Fred's Fruit Salad Island for its element of surprise, which really attracted my curiosity and suspense, and as The Mysterious Mr. Enter acknowledges, the show has some energy to it.

Teen Titans Go!, as hard as it can be to believe, actually has a lot of fans (genuine fans at that), including me. It has more than enough fans to keep it safe from this unflattering page.

That image was cut for Being Just A Face And A Caption. The lack of images on horrible pages is due to a lack of images that don't fall into this.

Accidentally hit the save function twice.

I don't know. I'm sure it has a legitimate fanbase that enjoys Surreal Humor and whatnot. It even has a 4.8/10 on IMDB and a 5.4/10 on TV.com. Plus, it was nominated for two Daytime Emmy Awards, so I'd think that fact alone would automatically disqualify it from this list.

Why would Bordertown qualify?

I'd say it could be on here, I haven't even seen a "true" fan of it.

As for it being to early, well we added Norm Of The North too the horrible lists and that came out in the same month so...

I wouldn't put it on here. I actually loathe the show also, but as of now it has a 7.5 on IMDB, and a weak-but-not-terrible 4.6 on TV.com – and it does have a legit fanbase of those who like shock humor – so it most likely doesn't belong here. (That said, TV.com's skews a lot lower than IMDB – usually it's the other way around – so the IMDB score may be worth looking into).

Removed. It is not So Bad, It's Horrible. It's an annoying short at worst. Also you're right, good ratings disqualify it.

Well, as the description notes we can use "professional" reviewers to add context to our examples.

That, and the man reads this very page to get ideas for what to review, so he's bound to have reviewed a lot of it.

Well, if it gets nothing but hate, then we can list it here.

Judging by the reviews, the general view is that it's just mediocre.

Mediocrity has no place here, so I'd suggest no, we shouldn't put it here.

It's bad, but I've seen cartoons that are far worse than this. So no, it doesn't belong here.

If the voice acting and animation is good, this may not count... Then again, the story is probably the most important thing about a movie. Let's see.

Oh, and apparently there's Awesome Music in the movie, provided by Flo and Eddie of Frank Zappa and The Turtles fame...

Actually, this fits better in the Animated Films section. Go over there and ask.

Didn't know some Frank Zappa cohorts made music for this film, but yes those are some good points and that aspect too makes the film more tolerable. I'll take this discussion to Animated Films.

They're all bad shows but the only one that wouldn't count is Kung Fu Dino Posse because of pretty high score. That's a very valid question.

I can't answer your question, but I think this does not belong on this page. It should go either on Horrible.Video Games or Horrible.Animated Film.

Added to Horrible.Animated Film.

Dear lord, that show looks worse than Sanjay And Craig (which I used to think was the worst Nickolodean had to offer). I saw the previews and knew it might be headed here. However it's still running so ...

Even children hate this show?

I recently saw something that said it was successful amongst kids.

Wait till the series is canceled and then we'll decide.

"Even children hate this show?"

According to Common Sense Media. Any other sources?

I saw a ratings report saying that it was successful amongst its target audience. I don't think they'd falsify ratings.

It also seems that a lot of the "kid reviews" on Common Sense Media are really adults or teens masquerading as children.

I think it is possible they are falsifying information to make Breadwinners look better than it actually is.

Then why didn't Fox come out with a ratings report saying Allen Gregory was a huge success? They could have easily done that.

Okay, 1. I like Sanjay and Craig 2. It's the show's style, you either like it or you don't. 3. Breadwinners can't be added to this list because most professional critics (like New York Daily News and Los Angeles Times) have given it fair reviews, they haven't praised it, but they haven't bashed it either.

A lot of people seem to really hate this show for a variety of reasons, and i think it qualifies for a lot of reasons, including the fact iMDB gave it a 2.7, which ranks it lower than Allen Gregory. Yes, people hate Breadwinners more than what many people consider the worst show ever (Allen Gregory has 4.4). And i personally think that the "effort" put into making Breadwinners actually earn being "#1" is very poor and that all of this "praise" is just faked for publicity. The Mysterious Mr Enter made a lot more good points in his review, so i'd probably go see what he had to say to truly see if this qualifies.

Why exactly would Nickelodeon fake the praise? If the show was really, truly bombing it'd be off the network now.

And IMDB ratings are given by adults, who are not the show's target audience.

And this brings up another round of problems: If people don't like the show, adult or not, it's a failure. A good cartoon should be able to be good for both children and adults, and this show fails here. There's also a huge Critical Research Failure provided by Rebel Taxi in which this show promotes feeding bread to ducks - which causes liver diseases! And as of the time of this writing, this show sank to 2.5 in iMDB; to put that in comparison, the bottom 100 list there has films 2.6 or lower. Yes, breadwinners qualifies to be put on the bottom 100. And nick would fake praise to keep the show on the air and to hide their obvious failure they've done; Nick does not want to fail so they try to keep themselves up. And to answer Aldo930, the creators of Allen Gregory knew that it was a failure from the backlash; Breadwinners doesn't seem to care or listen.

TL;DR Breadwinners fails to engage adults and kids so it fails, they forgot that "bread + ducks = No-no", and it has 2.5 on iMDB when the bottom 100 has <2.6, and the people making it don't care about their feedback.

And Scooby-Doo shows a dog eating things that could very well kill it. So does practically every funny-animal cartoon EVER. This is moronic. Most Funny Animal cartoons have the characters eating normal human foods.

Oh, and lookadis: http://www.cynopsis.com/052814-baby-genius-gets-todd-goldman-makeover-kidz-bop-block-breadwinners-creators-recipe-success/

So i guess you're going to try to defend it; while a critic may claim to like it and say that the cartoon is #1 in four weeks, you should notice this little clip of writing from your link: "Breadwinners seemed to happen almost overnight for us. We made the short over the span of a couple months, put it online, and there was an instant positive response. Within a couple of months we were developing the show at Nickelodeon, and within six months moving into full production on the first season." Note that the short was made in a couple of months to entertain other animators and features some pretty bad animation, terrible butt jokes, and irritating music. And unlike when Nickelodeon gave Fred a show (then the #1 show on youtube), the original cartoon short did not even get 150k views. Yes, Nick really is that incompetent in noticing things like that. Also, backlash by the fans is much more powerful then critics' opinions; fans of Total Biscuit made two teams of developers back off from claiming copyright on his videos sharply criticizing their games (The War Z and Guise of the Wolf) and deleting his entire channel.

While i can't make you not keep defending it, i'd like to help tell you why i think that this is a bad show and why it should go here. We all have different opinions, and i can accept that.

I went to Ask The Tropers and asked whether it should be here. The response was no. I added something to the page saying that it is not eligible to be on this page.

That is that. It won't end up on this page unless the show ends ignominiously.

Do you have a good reason?.

I have literally heard nothing positive about it.

Please see the below post by romanatorX. It was nominated for an Annie Award, which rules it out.

Never mind, then. Carry on.

It didn't WIN the Annie Award, did it? Not only that, anyone can nominate for awards.

The Wacky World Of Tex Avery apparently is well-loved in Germany, so that probably could discount it for this page.

Yo Yogi, according to our fellow forum-mate Psi001, had a few genuinely amusing episodes. (I thought so, too, admittedly.) It isn't the worst thing Yogi was in - that'd be Yogi's Gang - but it isn't very good either.

Yo Yogi! has a 6.1 on TV.com and a 6.3 on IM Db so it gets cut. The King and I stays because it has a 13% on Rotten Tomatoes and a 3.8 on IM Db. The Wacky World of Tex Avery has a 6.8 on TV.com and a 5.1 on IM Db so I guess that's getting cut too.

I'll move it back. Film is very large as it is; adding more entries to it could break the size limit.

IF that's not enough to convince anyone, here's something according to the IMDB's Trivia:

"In response to the overwhelmingly negative reviews, the estates of Richard Rodgers and Oscar Hammerstein have declared that there are to be no more animated features based on their musicals."

Sounds like a good example.

Despite it having a huge hatedom, I have to defend that movie. Most of the characters are likable, and I enjoyed the sub-plot about the crown prince and his love for a commoner girl.

The movie has a 2.7/10 on IMDB. Also, we should try and get someone to make a more fitting description for the film if we were to pit it up here.

Why?

The show apparently does have a fan base. Some feel it went downhill after its first season - which implies it had something going for it in the first place. People like Peter Paltridge of Platypus Comix like the show.

So, no, it doesn't count.

That and it's considered both So Bad, It's Good and for many, a Guilty Pleasure. I admit it was decent originally but went through Seasonal Rot.

So I highly doubt it counts.

I guess we could place it here. If it's going to go on here, I've already came up with an entry.

• In 1993, Calico Entertainment was planning on making a Bubsy cartoon, but the pilot episode, entitled "What Could Possibly Go Wrong?", never got picked up due to poor reviews and nothing else was made after that. And it's very easy to see why it was thrashed so much. Almost all of our main heroes are completely unlikable, and have voice acting that not only wastes the talent of famous names like Rob Paulson, Jim Cummings and Tress MacNeille, but are also so incredibly ear-grating. It was also hampered down even more with unfunny jokes and overusage of Stock Footage. The only likable character in the entire pilot is Arnold Armadillo, and sadly he is treated to a downright mean-spirited Running Gag involving his fear of getting run over by a truck. The animation in the pilot is So Okay, It's Average, but at times resorts to cheap techniques. The Mysterious Mr. Enter took an axe to it here, as well as Tooncrap and Nothing but Cartoons. There's also an annotated version as well. And just in case you weren't convinced enough, here's the entire thing. "What could possibly go wrong?", indeed.

EDIT: Holy crap, it was already on here!!!!

I have to agree. If there's literally NOTHING describing how bad the show is, as well as you thinking it's just So Okay, It's Average, then we might as well just nix it.

It's been deleted. If anyone who does hate the show can give a good reason as to why it was awful, they can put it back up. For now, though...

Let's try coming up with something together.

Were you the guy who originally added the entry?

If not, did you see the show and why did you think it was bad?

I found the footage he showed hilarious and in my opinion, it looks So Bad, it's Good. Though I'd expect it to show up on both lists to be honest.

Just because you liked it, doesn't mean anyone else agrees with you. The film has a 2.3/10 on IMDB in case you're wondering.

I don't think either movie qualifies, but I held off on removing Titanic The Legend Goes On because I couldn't think of a convincing enough reason and the reason I used for The Legend Of The Titanic wouldn't work. (The Legend Of The Titanic was a success while Titanic The Legend Goes On was a flop.)

We can all agree that they're both BAD movies, why do people insist on arguing which is worse?

I don't care which one is worse, I just think people shouldn't just add things they don't like but are So Bad, It's Good. Hatedom doesn't equal horrible enough and that's a general rule

Wait a sec.. are we talking about the "uncut" version of the movie or the "edited" version?

Originally the "edited" version was listed here along with The Legend Of The Titanic, A troper pulled it claiming that being historically innacurate and/or getting trashed by Doug Walker isn't enough to call it "horrible", and I did the same with The Legend Of The Titanic as well as pointing out the film's strong sales in Italy.

The issue here is that, while I don't think the "uncut" version is that bad either, it has more "strikes" against it that make it harder to defend.

I, for one, found it So Okay, It's Average. It's the sequel I found horrible, except the credit song.

It has a 4% rating on rotten tomatoes and a 28/100 on Metacritic, so it definitely may as well be put on the list.

I don't like those shows, either (I especially agree with the statement about Camp Lakebottom, but they actually get some fairly decent reviews from critics (Almost Naked Animals especially, surprisingly enough). And for Caillou, parents either Love It or Hate It. So they (sadly...) don't qualify for this page.

damn it! why these people love it even when there COPYING and mimicing shows and yet nobody seems to care!

Why do people like things you don't? One of life's greatest mysteries.

Same reason people like Dance Pop, because a lot of mediocre stuff gets popular and Hatedom can't stop that. Just because you hate something doesn't mean it deserves to be here. Johnny Test is also So Bad, It's Good and a Guilty Pleasure for many.

Never mind. Maybe it belongs under Eastern Animation.

FUN FACT: That movie actually stars Rebecca Black. Yes, THAT Rebecca Black.

Can you reword that?

If I'm getting this correctly, linuxfan66 says that he actually liked the first Space Chimps, but he would like to forget that a sequel ever came to existence.

As for my own opinions, I've never seen either film, but the first film was apparently successful enough to warrant a second film, so unless it's a bizarre case, I say the first doesn't belong here, at the very least.

No. Unless all of the internet is calling for Tosh's head on a platter.

I watched it once when I was younger and found the second half to be bad. However I enjoyed the first half so I'd say no. I'd put it in between Jack And Jill (which I'd get banned for defending) and Going Overboard (which really is a horrible excuse for a comedy) in terms of Adam Sandler. I say tha as a fan.

That specific part, I think should be removed, but the entry itself should stay.