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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
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  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

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#206726: Mar 24th 2020 at 12:52:49 AM

[tup] Asamiya, Gopp, Strout and Rockwell

[tup] Drew as well

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#206727: Mar 24th 2020 at 1:37:07 AM

I'm gonna be ready to talk about Bloodshot soon but until then I've got a candidate from the original Valiant I dismissed at first but have since come to rejudge. From Valiant's original run of Turok: Dinosaur Hunter, we have the Campaigner.

Who is the Campaigner? What has he done?

The Campaigner (who, somewhat interestingly, was adapted into the otherwise-unfaithful Acclaim reboot—and thus, the subsequent Turok video games) was initially some soulless robot plucked out from the timestream and brought to the Lost Land, where for the purposes of making a slave out of him, Mothergod imbued the Campaigner with sapience and a sense of self. Most people subjected to Mothergod's experiments and made her slaves hated it, beyond anything. The Campaigner, on the other hand, did not. When Mothergod is defeated, the Campaigner takes it upon himself to succeed her and bring his own psychotic definition of "Unity" to the fractured Lost Land.

The Campaigner creates an army by press-ganging other tribes into joining him, forcing them into labor and servitude for his purposes. Those who resist are absolutely slaughtered. The Campaigner an ever-growing army across the Lost Land to Rape, Pillage, and Burn until all bows before him, empowering himself by feeding on the energy leftover in Mothergod's tower. The Campaigner's armies debut utterly butchering one village, down to the children, as the heroes narrowly escape.

The Campaigner's forces come down upon the heroes and their uneasy allies—the soldiers of Captain Red—and are repelled. Only one slave soldier returns to the Campaigner to report the failure. The Campaigner promptly tosses the sole survivor to his death out the window and orders Captain Red's lake village wiped out. Captain Red returns to find his home and his loved ones all slaughtered by the Campaigner's soldiers, finally prompting him and the other heroes to take the fight directly to the Campaigner. A final battle ensues and the Campaigner's true robotic nature is revealed, shortly before he's destroyed by the heroes.

Any mitigating factors?

The Campaigner is a Psycho Supporter to Mothergod herself, which in itself certainly isn't mitigating—the Campaigner indeed seems more devoted to Mothergod's psychotic dream, or his own interpretation of it—and any sympathy that could be accorded with him being another one of Mothergod's experiments is rendered moot when the Campaigner glories in what Mothergod turned him into. Now, my only other hesitation is that Turok has an uphill heinous standard—the worst of them tried to start WWII—but the Campaigner still has a meaty body count for a record total of four issues and a clear track record of Rape, Pillage, and Burn. I think that should be enough for him.

Conclusion?

Keeper.

ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#206728: Mar 24th 2020 at 1:45:19 AM

[tup] Gopp. I guess Fan Works?

Let's use Retired Badass for Gran Torino.

  • Gran Torino: Spider is a Hmong gangster who, along with his gang, terrorizes his own neighborhood. He starts off by pressuring his cousin Thao to steal his neighbor Walt Kowalski's vintage Gran Torino. When he fails at this, Spider and his gang beat up Thao and continually harass his family. Walt initially scares him off, but he continues to harass Thao afterwards and lets his subordinate put out a cigarette in his face. In retaliation for Walt beating up one of his gang members, Spider performs a drive-by shooting on Thao's family and kidnaps his cousin Sue to subject her to a violent gang rape, leaving her bloodied and traumatized. When Walt finally confronts them in the climax, he and his gang riddle him with bullets when they think he might have a gun.

Anime films stay at the anime section, and I'm not budging on that. The "...Anime can be found here" is fine IMO.

[tup] Stroud and Rockwell.

Campaigner: I'll take your word he's bad enough, and I'll also assume he wasn't reprogrammed to emjoy what happened to him and actually DID enjoy it, so I'll vote yes.

That World War III dude you mentioned is the already-approved Higdon?

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#206729: Mar 24th 2020 at 1:46:47 AM

[tup]Campaigner

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#206730: Mar 24th 2020 at 2:04:51 AM

Also, guys?

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#206731: Mar 24th 2020 at 2:14:54 AM

[tup] to Gopp, Stroud, Rockwell, Drew and the Campaigner.

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#206733: Mar 24th 2020 at 4:08:00 AM

Yes to Rockwell, Drew, and the Campaigner.

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#206734: Mar 24th 2020 at 4:30:48 AM

[tup] to Keiichi Asamiya, Stroud, Drew and the Campaigner.

DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#206736: Mar 24th 2020 at 6:14:32 AM

Yes Drew and the Campaigner.

Edited by Bullman on Mar 24th 2020 at 8:15:03 AM

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
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#206737: Mar 24th 2020 at 6:27:48 AM

Yes to Drew and the Campaigner and as ACW just highlighted, can we get some of those writeups coming out?

ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#206738: Mar 24th 2020 at 6:37:53 AM

I'm having Gopp at Fan Works, since it seems like a Game Mod.

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#206739: Mar 24th 2020 at 7:29:37 AM

[tup] to Drew and the Campaigner

ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#206740: Mar 24th 2020 at 7:51:55 AM

I think it's time to folderize GI Joe:

Comic Books (by publication date)

G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero (Marvel) & Devil's Due series
  • The original Cobra Commander himself is, underneath any silliness or ridiculous behavior, a truly vile, heinous monster who has earned his title of the Arch-Enemy of the G.I. Joes. A former car salesman who got his start with well-intentioned goals following the death of his brother, the Commander quickly moved beyond this altruistic outlook, growing in ambition and love for power as he killed thousands of people in his various maniacal plots. Returning from the grave after a seeming change of heart, the Commander brags that he has thrown away all of his humanity and redeeming qualities, illustrating this by burying his own son alive along with many of his former allies. Orchestrating a variety of atrocities that ranged from nuking cities to dropping acid rain onto others, the Commander throws away the lives of hundreds of loyal recruits to illustrate his cruelty, and his villainy culminates in the final arc of the Devil's Due series, in which the Commander murders his son, Billy, simply to prove that he can, and tries to wipe out all life on Earth so he can feel like a god. Cobra Commander goes through a variety of character twists and turns, but always is brought back to his roots: a psychopath who willingly, happily has chosen to destroy his humanity and embrace pure evil for the power and glory it brings him.
  • "Dr. Venom", real name Claude Vinim note , is the original Mad Scientist for Cobra, who came into the organization after burning a college dean alive for attempting to expose Venom's murder of his own father. Developing the Brainwave Scanner for Cobra, Venom deliberately designs the machine to cause the maximum amount of pain to its victims, using it to Mind Rape anyone unfortunate enough to cross Cobra. After making an Arch-Enemy out of Snake Eyes by using the Brainwave Scanner on him, Venom brutally beats the defenseless G.I. Joe, betrays and tries to kill him when they are forced to team up, and shoots one of Snake Eyes's partners, Kwinn, In the Back when the man showed Venom mercy. Though seemingly killed after a failed attempt to poison the United States's money supply and kill millions, Venom returns, having copied his brain into a computer program, and begins bodyjacking several people, using them in his mad experiments on innocents to kill or subjugate every member of G.I. Joe and Cobra alike. Though lacking in appearances of other leadership of Cobra, Venom's despicable crimes and scoffing of love and caring relationships marks him as one of the worst criminals to ever grace Cobra's ranks.
  • Vance Wingfield, debuting in "Operation: Wingfield", is a military tactician obsessed with the idea of survival of the fittest, and, believing that a large portion of humanity has become weak, sets out to cull mankind. Wingfield plans to frame America for dropping a nuclear bomb onto a highly populated Russian city, then ride out the ensuing World War III before rising up and ruling over whatever of humanity is left. To aid in his endeavors, Wingfield subjects numerous men to Training from Hell, while attempting to turn their children into Child Soldiers, and eventually tries to blow up himself, his followers, and their entire families with another nuke to ensure a nuclear holocaust starts even if he is dead. Surviving this event, though crippled, Wingfield goes on to create a virus that can pull satellites down from orbit, and proceeds to drop satellites onto both Chicago and Silicon Valley, killing thousands of men, women, and children, planning to do the same to Washington, D.C. and New York City as well. Even after death, Wingfield's crimes continue, as his son Tyler, whom Wingfield horribly abused and corrupted into becoming like him, tries to continue his father's legacy, threatening millions of lives, all the while unaware that his father was planning to kill him as a child because he was showing weakness. Vance Wingfield stood out even among the terrorist organization Cobra as one of the few wholly irredeemable villains the G.I. Joes faced in their original comic run.

Extreme comic miniseries

  • Iron Klaw is the main villain the military team the G.I. Joes confront in this comic miniseries, and handily the worst. The leader of the terrorist group Soldiers of Kaos, Anarchy, and Ruin, or S.K.A.R., surpassed in rank only by the Duchess, Iron Klaw murdered his way to the top position of the group, and is a horrific boss, murdering his henchmen for everything from accidentally touching him, to simply assert his ego. After murdering the Duchess when she slowly shows disgust for his homicidal plans for world domination, Iron Klaw murders a man, taking out many of his soldiers in the same instance, to steal his political position, and proceeds to steal the powerful crop hormone known as Ferti-gel, poisons it, then plans to spread it across numerous countries to plunge them into famine and drought in order to blackmail the world with his massive supply of food. Even when forced into an Enemy Mine situation with the Joes against Red Scream, Iron Klaw takes every opportunity to betray and try to murder his "allies". Iron Klaw was a complete sociopath who was only concerned with his own personal power.
  • Inferno is a psychopathic Mad Bomber who, though only a minor servant of Iron Klaw in the present, is revealed to be a truly wicked individual in his backstory, shown in the short arc From the Ashes. Using his pyrotechnic skills, Inferno bombed more than half a dozen military bases, killing dozens of innocent American soldiers, and follows it up by blowing up an American intelligence agency, killing more than thirty people. After bombing the recently-created G.I. Joe base, wiping out most of the starting Joes, Inferno goes on to try and kill the President of the United States with an explosive during a mass funeral for his own victims, fully aware of the dozens of military families present as well.

Reloaded

  • Cobra Commander is, much like many of his other incarnations, a pure evil lunatic in this mini-series created to make a more realistic take on the franchise. As the leader of the terrorist group Cobra, the Commander is a power-hungry madman obsessed with bringing America to its knees, and kicks the story off by blowing up the Golden Gate Bridge and the many innocents on it. Going on to try and steal the United States Constitution, the Commander's ultimate plan is to drop the Omega Black virus onto a highly-populated city, which will painfully rot the bodies of the millions infected by it before melting their brains, at which point he will blackmail other cities to cow to his whims. When the Joes show up to stop him, the Commander attempts to simply launch as many nukes as possible as he makes his retreat. Despite his seemingly-benevolent attitude toward his minions, this is completely thrown out the window when he is revealed to ruthlessly execute anyone who fails him, even animals, and goes a murder spree of his own soldiers for the pettiest of reasons. Though slightly implied to have a tragic backstory and many claims of well-intentioned goals, Cobra Commander is ultimately shown to be a remorseless and deranged tyrant with nothing but greed and evil itself driving him.
  • Firefly is a mercenary-turned-Cobra agent who takes joy in classical music and blowing things up. After bombing the Golden Gate bridge in Cobra's name, killing dozens, Firefly derails a train and executes the surviving passengers with a gun to steal supplies which he uses to take over an oil rig whose staff he massacres. Firefly murders anyone who tries to approach the rig, and later mocks a Joe over the fact that Firefly killed the man's girlfriend in a previous job.

Danger Girl/G.I. Joe, written by Andy Hartnell

G.I. Joe (IDW)

    Examples 
  • The Second Cobra Commander, real name Krake, is the egomanical psychopath who took over the terrorist organization Cobra after the previous leader's death. Growing up in a war-torn country, Krake became a dangerous soldier by his teen years, and ruthlessly killed anyone who threatened his livelihood, from innocent slaves who worked too slowly, to his own partners when he suspected one of them might be a mole. Joining up with Cobra, Krake became one of its top enforcers, murdering dozens of innocents and trying to slaughter an entire village of people throughout his missions. Eventually taking over the organization as the new Commander, Krake's first order is to lead to an onslaught on the entire country of Nanzhao, massacring hundreds of innocents, nuking its major cities, and turning it into a radioactive wasteland. Showing no loyalty or care for anyone but himself, Krake regularly attempts mass murder and bombings, from shooting up airports and bombing entire cities, to trying to drop an entire plane onto the city of Paris to kill one person. With slave camps worldwide, Krake has adults and children alike forced to work under threat of death, and, in some cases, sends the children to training camps where they are brainwashed into becoming sociopathic fanatics of Cobra's cause. A homicidal megalomaniac who killed any and all threats or annoyances to himself on a whim, Krake is one of the most wicked Cobra Commanders throughout the G.I. Joe franchise.
  • Xamot Paoli is the more sadistically inclined, ambitious twin brother of the pragmatic Tomax. Committing a variety of war crimes and atrocities throughout his life alongside his brother, from slavery to exterminating hundreds of innocent people, Xamot makes a personal enemy with the G.I. Joe Chuckles when he tricks Chuckles into killing his own Love Interest for an ultimately pointless reason. After being scarred across his face by Chuckles for this, Xamot grows more unhinged and deranged, culminating in his concoction of a scheme to murder the Cobra High Command—starting with his own brother—which Xamot personally kicks off by massacring an entire room of defenseless Cobra agents. Though sharing many of his crimes with his brother, Xamot is the more proactive and crueler of the duo, and uses his relatively few appearances to make his own mark.
  • Vargas
  • Firefly is a Cobra operative skilled in pyrotechnics and sabotage who absolutely loves his job. Introduced blowing up a building filled with dozens of people as one of his jobs for Cobra, which is something he routinely does, Firefly later attempts to blow up an entire casino filled with hundreds on Tomax Paoli's orders, showing visible annoyance when many of the patrons flee and lower the body count. Not restricted to just destruction of buildings, Firefly flings a live grenade into a crowd of innocents to kill them all as a distraction for his escape, and assists in Cobra's takeover of an entire town by walking into a police station and burning the entire staff alive with a flamethrower.
  • Blacklight
  • Skull Buster is the recruit trainer for Cobra, and a sadistic brute to boot. To train potential recruits, Skull Buster takes them on long treks through isolated locations such as deserts or jungles, forcing them to start out naked and starved. When any of the recruits show weakness, such as decreasing mental health or revulsion at eating raw meat, Skull Buster wastes no time in ruthlessly killing them. Along their travels, Skull Buster has his troops murder any and all people they come across, be they Taliban soldiers or innocent villagers—including children—in order to steal their supplies. Doing this routine weekly on separate groups each time, Skull Buster enjoys his job way too much, and takes sadistic pleasure in any of his trainees' deaths, be they by his hand, their own weakness, or suicide. Though having limited appearances, Skull Buster made his mark as the most wicked low-level villain in the story.
  • Chimera is a former Green Beret who got rich from manipulating stocks, but when his crimes were discovered and his money taken from him, he murdered his entire family before going on the run. Undergoing facial reconstruction surgery, Chimera bombs the clinic where he had his operation to kill anyone who saw his face, and later murders numerous police officers who try to arrest him. Taking over a gang of thugs after executing their current leader, Chimera kidnaps a governor's daughter, claiming his plans to use her for ransom to his gang, before sadistically murdering her in front of her father to show his true goal isn't money, but destruction. Chimera reveals he has set two timers, one of which will release a toxin that will kill millions of people worldwide, the other which will leak stock market strategies and money laundering secrets to corrupt individuals, and will lead to economic failure within a few years. Though killed while trying to murder numerous Joes, Chimera's money laundering secrets are still leaked online. Demented and sadistic, Chimera may have been one of the earlier major villains the Joes faced, but he was easily one of the worst.
  • Future Noir: In this non-canon, alternate universe, the sociopathic Dr. Mindbender is portrayed as far worse than his mainstream counterpart. Mindbender performs horrifying experiments on numerous innocents, including children, who are drawn into the cult of Cobra. These experiments leave them as hideous monsters in constant agony that he uses to kill anyone who defies Cobra. With raving fanaticism for his leader, Serpentor, Mindbender plans to spread a toxin countrywide that will turn all it infects into monstrous and mangled beasts in order to leave only the "pureness" of the Cobra cult to exist in the world. Commiting his crimes For Science! and misanthropy, Mindbender stood out as a wicked monster who more than made up for the relatively low quantity his crimes with the sheer monstrosity of said crimes.

Transformers/G.I. Joe, by John Ney Rieber

  • Cobra Commander continues to prove himself capable of being an irredeemable psychopath when it comes to adaptations of his original iteration. With Cobra serving as a stand-in for the Nazi Party, Commander runs his empire with the same cruel egomania that the Nazis were known for. After discovering the Decepticons hidden in an ancient monastery whose inhabitants he has just had slaughtered, Commander forcefully takes control of the Decepticons and forces them to lay waste to numerous countries across Europe, including Berlin and Rome. Any survivors of these massacres, including the children, are forced into slave camps, and, later, used as human shields against the Commander's enemies. After forcing a Decepticon to exhaust all his energy in wantonly laying waste to enemies and allies alike, the Commander reveals his plan to use the Decepticons to institute a new world order under his rule where only the strong will survive and serve under his thumb. Cobra Commander is a megalomaniac whose status as a stand-in for the Nazi leadership makes him one of the most realistic, and wicked, baddies throughout the G.I. Joe franchise.

G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero vs. The Six Million Dollar Man, by Ryan Ferrier, SL Gallant, et al.

  • Cobra Commander himself plots to Take Over the World. He starts by having Baroness and Doctor Mindbender brainwash Steve Austin, The Six Million Dollar Man, into joining them, while Commander and Cobra forces take over the massive Infinity Centre skyscraper in Switzerland, taking over the top floor and threatening the lives of the inhabitants. Promising a "bloodbath" if anybody challenges his rule, Commander has Baroness and her henchmen attempt to bring down Air Force One and kill everyone on board, ultimately aiming to prevent the signing of a global peace accord on the Frisian Islands. When this fails, Commander's contingency plan is to have Baroness activate Austin's arm—basically turning it into a nuclear weapon—and attempt to blow up the island, killing thousands of people.

Animated Works

    Examples 
The Movie

Sgt. Savage and his Screaming Eagles

  • Lieutenant Garrison "General Blitz" Krieger, aka Dr. Garret Stromm, quickly establishes himself as one of the most evil characters in the franchise. A member of the IRON (International Robotic Operations Network) Army in World War II, Krieger infiltrated the U.S. Army and served in Sgt. Savage's unit, all of whom he led into a trap, with only Savage surviving the ensuing slaughter. Krieger then subjects Savage to horrific experiments in his attempts to create a super-soldier to help The IRON Army win the war. Having Savage cryogenically frozen after The IRON Army's defeat, Krieger turns himself into a cyborg and spends the next 50 years re-establishing The IRON Army in secret, helping to create the terrorist group Cobra in the process. When Savage's frozen body is located by the G.I. Joes, Krieger dispatches an executioner robot to kill Savage and any Joes that get in its way. Krieger then initiates his master plan: Using a satellite weapon to take control of Earth's computer systems, then leading The IRON Army in the conquest of the world. Savage, though brutally beaten and taunted by Krieger, manages to stop his plan, but not before Krieger makes his escape. A vicious would-be dictator, Krieger was willing to betray, torture, and murder anyone who got in his way to ensure The IRON Army's domination of the world.

Sigma 6

  • Cobra Commander is as bombastically villainous as always, and despite the heavy censorship of this series, stands out as a purely evil warlord. Using "Thor's Hammer" to obliterate the G.I. Joe base of operations, the Commander then attempts to use "Thor's Hammer" to carve off the entire East Coast of America so as to invade it and create his own country, uncaring of the massive casualties that would ensue. The Commander pulls off a variety of other terrorist acts that endanger many innocent people—all while threatening the lives of his minions and command council for the slightest of failures—and reaches the apex of his evil when he unveils the Terrordrome. Using the Terrordrome, the Commander throws all of Earth's weather into catastrophic conditions, causing floods and forest fires worldwide that endanger countless lives, and follows it up by threatening to leave entire countries in these conditions while revealing he has frozen all of the world's leaders alive to serve as trophies to his conquest.

Resolute

  • Cobra Commander is the ruthless leader of the international terrorist organization Cobra, and this version is a far cry from his previous versions. Appearing before the United Nations via a hologram, Cobra Commander wipes out Moscow and its population of 10 million with his Kill Sat and announces he will do the same to more nations if the world hasn't surrendered to him within 24 hours. After the G.I. Joes begin thwarting his plans, Cobra Commander orders his soldiers to destroy cities randomly until the world gives him what he wants, then kills one of them for informing him they have to recharge the weapon first. When the Joes locate his base, Cobra Commander proceeds to freak out, slaughter his entire command center, and try to use his satellite laser to obliterate Washington, D.C. before being stopped by the G.I. Joes.

Renegades

  • Cobra Commander/Adam DeCobray is the cruel, calculating head of Cobra Industries, who uses the supposed philanthropic organization to mask the terrorist activities of the group "Cobra". The Commander utilizes Cobra for a variety of crimes, from developing a bioplague to wiping out entire towns when they halt Cobra development, all while silencing any potential leaks and ruthlessly executing or punishing his subordinates, notably sealing a metal mask around the face of James McCullen and dubbing him "Destro". To combat the Joes, the Commander threatens their entire families with death, kidnaps one of their number to experiment on, and frames them for heinous crimes committed by Cobra itself. After his bevy of plans to Take Over the World through more subtle methods are consistently thwarted by the Joes, the Commander forgoes all attempts at obscurity and tries to lead a full-on invasion of various countries using the M.A.S.S. device.
  • Dr. Mindbender, real name Brian Bender is portrayed here as a more youthful, monstrous incarnation of his usual depictions in media. A psychopathic Mad Scientist who develops the Bio-Viper army for Cobra, Mindbender experiments on innocents to assist in his projects, and works with Baroness in ordering the deranged Firefly to destroy a small town and its inhabitants. Torturing the twin psychics Tomax and Xamot in an attempt to use their powers for Mind Rape, Mindbender later tries to destroy Brooklyn, New York just to distract the Joes from his activities, and interrogates and threatens a young child for information in the same episode. As Cobra develops the M.A.S.S. device, Mindbender cheerfully tests it on Cobra's own soldiers, uncaring of any deaths it causes, before trying to send Snake Eyes through it and kill him while making his best friend Scarlett watch.

The Rise of Cobra & Retaliation

  • The Doctor/Cobra Commander is the Diabolical Mastermind behind Cobra, and the ultimate villain of the films. Once a soldier named Rex Lewis who was left to die by his military allies, the Commander embraced his abandonment, as it gave him time to weaponize the nanomite technology and ally with James "Destro" McCullen of MARS Industries as "the Doctor". Using the nanomite technology to mind control a variety of soldiers—even his own sister Ana, the future Baroness—"the Doctor" planned to assist McCullen in using the nanomites to wipe out major cities, before using Zartan to replace the President of the United States for ultimate power. After the nanomite plan fails, "the Doctor" betrays McCullen, uses Ana as a hostage, tries to blow up his entire lair and everyone inside and christens himself Cobra Commander. Later escaping prison, the Commander uses Zeus to destroy London, promising to continue wiping out entire cities until the world cows to Cobra.
  • Zartan is the Commander's right-hand psychopath, a Master of Disguise whose sadism and cheerful personality make him far worse than any other servant of Cobra. His introductory scene showing him stabbing Cover Girl through the back and mocking her as she dies, Zartan assists in killing a variety of Joes before killing a man for his clothes to evade capture. After capturing and replacing the President of the United States, who he regularly tortures for information, Zartan orders the execution of the G.I. Joes and kickstarts a war in a foreign country to enable Cobra Commander's escape. At the demonstration of Zeus, Zartan giddily pulls the trigger that blows up the city of London, England, and is revealed to have been the one who killed Storm Shadow's master as a child and corrupted him into evil, cementing himself as the worst Cobra has to offer alongside its Commander.
  • James "Destro" McCullen, from The Rise of Cobra with a small cameo in Retaliation, is an Arms Dealer and the head of Military Armaments Research Syndicate (M.A.R.S.) Industries, using the company to mask his growing schemes for power. Able and willing to sell to weapons to terrorists worldwide and eager to test out said weapons on anyone in close proximity, McCullen works with the Doctor to create the powerful machines called Nanites, using them to turn hundreds of men into enslaved soldiers fully aware of their surroundings but unable to control their own actions. Developing four nanite warheads then orchestrating the destruction of the military convoy transporting them, McCullen tests one of the warheads out on Paris in an attempt to wipe it out, before planning to use the other three to destroy Moscow, Beijing and Washington, D.C., at which point his plan to use an imposter President to take control of a panicked Earth will ensue. McCullen also arranges for the deaths of his own troops should they be captured, has the President's security detail killed, and keeps the Baroness as his enslaved puppet to seduce, even ordering the death of her public husband out of mere jealousy.
  • Operation HISS tie-in comic: Major Sebastian Bludd is a mercenary hired by Cobra to cover up its criminal activities and enable the escape of Cobra Commander from imprisonment. Using nanomite technology to turn entire factories of workers into living statues or bloodthirsty soldiers, Bludd kidnaps a variety of military soldiers to use as hostages, executing one simply because his rank is higher than "major". Bludd demands the release of Cobra Commander, threatening to start detonating bombs across the entire world and kill thousands of people if his demands are not met, and illustrates the threat is real by blowing up the Golden Gate bridge, killing everyone on it with smug satisfaction before ordering a variety of other bombs be detonated—though noting to spare Sydney, Australia from any of them, as he has family there he wants to kill with his bare hands very soon.

Miscellaneous

Action Force
  • In this British comic retooling of the classic G.I. Joe franchise, Baron Ironblood, later Cobra Commander, is a sociopathic terrorist obsessed with subjugating or destroying all he surveys. Having created the terrorist organization known as the Red Shadows in a murderous campaign, Ironblood uses them to perpetrate various atrocities throughout the comic, from attempting to wipe out entire cities to planning full-scale invasions of countries at a time, promising to paint the streets red with blood, until, finally annoyed at his constant losses, Ironblood betrays his entire organization to be wiped out by Action Force, ditching them to their fates while he restyles himself as Cobra Commander, creating a new group called Cobra in the process. With this new group, Cobra Commander's evil only increases, as he tries to kick-start wars, enslave London, and finally infect all of humanity with a plague, the cure for which he will only give to those who will bow down to him. Cobra Commander is also a horrific boss to his minions, subjecting them to training that kills dozens of them at a time, executing them for the pettiest of slights, and feeding them to ravenous beasts regularly for his own amusement. Be it as Ironblood or Cobra Commander, this power-hungry madman would let no man, woman, or child come between him and his goals, and he kills thousands of them to illustrate this point.

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Overlord Since: Mar, 2013
#206741: Mar 24th 2020 at 8:14:08 AM

Yes to Stroud, Rockwell and The Campaigner.

I got a short one, from Superman: Man of Steel, another bad Superman video game from 2002 (though not as bad as Superman 64) and despite Brainiac 13 being the main villain, he is not who I am proposing today:

Who is Mongul? What has he done?

Mongul is the ruler of War World and an intergalactic tyrant. When Superman has deal with the return of Brainiac 13, who is rebuilding himself in the middle of Metropolis, Superman knows he will need more advanced weapons to defeat him and goes to War World.

Knowing Mongul will not help him, Superman frees the slaves imprisoned on War World, but not before having to rescue them from Mongul's guards, drones and automated gun turrets that would rather see the prisoners dead than free. After Superman rescues the prisoners, they help him obtain a disruptor weapon that could help defeat Brainiac.

However, when Superman and the slave ships escape War World, Mongul arrives in his ship and sends out a holographic message saying Superman freeing his slaves is akin to theft and demands Superman compensate him, when Superman refuses, Mongul says he will get his pound of flesh from Superman. Mongul's ship attacks Superman and the slave ships.

Superman defeats Mongul's ship, but Mongul has a nasty surprise. Mongul's ship has a reactor that is powerful enough to blow up a planet 10 times larger than the Earth and Mongul launches at it the Earth, to punish Superman for his interference. Superman stops the reactor before it can reach the Earth, foiling Mongul's genocidal plans, leaving him free to continue his quest to defeat Brainiac 13.

Is he heinous by the standard of the work?

Despite being a minor villain in the game, he is the most heinous.

Brainiac 13 spends the entire game rebuilding himself, so he does not get the chance to do much in the long run. Brainiac 13 manipulates Bizzaro into attacking Superman and enlists Metallo to help him, so those 2 are just Brainiac's pawns. Luthor betrays the Earth to Brainiac 13 and Cyborg Superman tries to kill Superman when Superman tries to get some tech in the Phantom Zone.

Mongul is a slaver and has an attempted body count of billions.

Any Freudian Excuse or other redeeming qualities?

Nah, he is no FE, no redeeming qualities and despite being a minor villain with limited screen time, he has enough personality to count.

Final Verdict?

Another keep for Mongul.

falcontalons from Earth-2 Since: Apr, 2019
Bullman "Cool. Coolcoolcool." Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
#206743: Mar 24th 2020 at 8:22:00 AM

Yes to Mongul. This is his 6th incarnation and second video game one to count.

Edited by Bullman on Mar 24th 2020 at 10:25:25 AM

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#206745: Mar 24th 2020 at 8:32:06 AM

Yes to Mongul...can someone ping guys like Men, Lore, Wary, etc? It's not right the list is this big. Let's cut this down, it's not fair to ACW.

  • Kill the Minotaur: The fanatical King Minos, viewing the Minotaur as an object of worship and his new son, wages war on Athena to force a tribute every year to feed young men and women to the beast, named Asterion, in preparation for the day when Asterion emerges from his labyrinth to wreak havoc on the world. Minos tortures his daughter Ariadne in preparation to one day be raped by Asterion and bear 'godly' children. Murdering his adviser Daedalus for plotting to stop him, Minos also murders a boy he deems too sickly for sacrifice before sending Theseus and his friends to the Labyrinth. Upon Ariadne stealing into the Labyrinth to help Theseus, Minos simply decides to allow Asterion to violate his wife Pasiphae instead.
  • Satanic Panic: Satanist socialite Danica Ross raises her daughter Judi to be a virgin sacrifice to be impregnated by the demon Baphomet. Upon learning Judi has lost her virginity, Danica kills her lover and delivers Judi to other Satanists to be murdered, planning to kill her husband when he objects. Upon young pizza girl Sam's arrival, Danica substitutes her for the sacrifice and upon problems with her coven, lures over Sam's coworker to murder him and glean answers from his entrails, using her own husband's soul in a ritual to manifest a monster to go after the girls. Torturing Sam and Judi into submission and painfully drowning her would be usurper, Danica delivers Sam to Baphomet and when things go wrong, furiously cuts her own daughter's throat.
  • Clark Ashton Smith
    • Colossus: Nathaire is a wicked, diminutive sorcerer with a huge chip on his shoulder. Faking his death and stealing countless corpses from the graveyards, Nathaire fuses them into a gigantic colossus to house his soul before going on a rampage. Ravaging the countryside, Nathaire tortures, rapes and murders everything he finds, plucking people apart when he catches them and leaving nothing but ruin and death in his wake for miles. Attacking the chief city of his wrath, Nathaire tramples over countless, slaughtering everything he sees before focusing on the church, intending on leaving no survivors.
  • The Stairs in the Crypt: An evil necromancer in life, Avalzaunt awakens in his own crypt after death and enslaves a group of ghouls to his will. Sending them out to murder people to quench his thirst for blood, Avalzaunt grows bloated upon it, having all his old apprentices hunted down and murdered. Growing greedier, Avalzaunt leads an attack on a nearby monastery, plotting to kill and drain every monk before he moves on to more living beings out of cruelty and gluttony.
  • The dark Eidolon: Namirrha, born Narthos, is a beggar boy nearly killed by the careless of prince Zotulla. Surviving and nursing a monstrous grudge, Namirrha becomes a great necromancer and invites Zotulla and his lover to a banquet. Having all their guests murdered, Namirrha then tortures Zotulla and his favorite mistress savagely, forcing Zotulla to watch the pain of the latter while also summoning demonic horses to trample Zotulla's chief city, killing everyone except those in Namirrha's palace.
  • Bloodborne: Miolash, Host of the Nightmare, is a former member of the Byrgenwerth scholars who leads the School of Mensis. Bent on asending past humanity and being granted 'Eyes' by the Great Ones, Micolash nd the school have countless people abducted into the Unseen village of Yahar'ghul, experimented upon to make hideous undead abominations without humanity. Sacrificing his school to draw himself into the Nightmare of Mensis, Micolash also keeps a Great One captive and tortured in their experiments,being the one who contacted the Great Ones to call down the Blood Moon upon Yharnam and starting the horrific scourge.
  • Mana: Stroud, later known as the Dark Majesty, is the emperor of Lorimar who tried to murder his own baby brother by hurling him into the ocean and eliminating all other potential claimants to his throne. Making a pact with the demons of Mavolia, Stroud intended on sacrificing his own nation and later the world for power, even betraying the demons to become an archdemon himself. Ages later, in Trials of Mana, Stroud is revived as theDark Majesty and intends to eliminate Mana's goddesses, fusing Mavolia with the world to bring hell on earth in a dark realm where he is the only god.
  • Trigan: King Zorth of the Lokans is a wicked tyrant who seeks to conquer and annihilate all across the world. Attacking the Vorg people, Zorth has civilians slaughtered before moving to wipe out the entire country of Cato. His forces repulsed, a furious Zorth orders one tenth of the survivors executed before renewing his attaks to kill until the rest submit. Upon the founding of the Trigan empire, Zorth learns a moon will crash into Loka. Executing the astronomers for the bad news, Zorth sends 'refugees' to Emperor Trigo, only to launch an attack from within to slaughter numerous Trigan soldiers and civilians. One of the Trigan Empire's most depraved foes, Zorth routinely has innocents and even his own massacred to satisfy his cruelty and need for dominance.

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom from tall grass (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#206746: Mar 24th 2020 at 8:35:53 AM

[tup] Mongul.

[up]Is The Dark Eidolon supposed to have a lower case d in "dark"?:

Rawr.
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#206747: Mar 24th 2020 at 8:36:27 AM

[tup]Mongul.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Draxterrus An Eldritch Troper Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
An Eldritch Troper
#206748: Mar 24th 2020 at 8:43:35 AM

Before I go to bed I’ll just say that I got no response from a PM I sent to Wary Hoglet about the Lady of the Green Kirtle. Who should write her up then?

Also, I noticed at The Chronicles of Narnia that there’s a Complete Monster entry in the film section that goes like this:

  • In addition to all the stuff she did in the books, Jadis also beats Edmund and returns in The Voyage of the Dawn Treader as a smoke monster and sea serpent attempting to kill all of Narnia.

Humanity is defined by its absurdity, and I am no exception.
papyru30 The wifi here sucks from South Dakota for school Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
The wifi here sucks
#206749: Mar 24th 2020 at 8:44:24 AM

[tup] Mongul

I saw the third Resident Evil film yesterday and I'm curious if the clone of Dr. Isaacs could count, he's certainly heinous enough but I feel like if he counted he would already be up by now. Also looking though the character pages makes me feel like Wesker could count in the films. Could someone who's more familiar with the films chime in on this please?

Hope your prepared for an unforgettable luncheon
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom from tall grass (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#206750: Mar 24th 2020 at 8:44:27 AM

Meanwhile, I'll see what ~Lore Deluxe, ~Wary Hoglet ~Age Of Trope Empire, ~Men In Grey To Blak, ~Stellarvore, ~Ravok, ~therealjackieboy, and ~randomtroper89 are up to with their drafts.

[up][up][nja]

Edited by SkyCat32 on Mar 24th 2020 at 11:45:02 AM

Rawr.

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