To-do list:

• Merge Ancient Africa with UsefulNotes.Africa and disambiguate the page between UsefulNotes.Africa, Fantasy Counterpart Culture, and Bulungi.

Original post:

The first paragraph is a general run-down of African history. The second is a general run-down of African relationships with the outside world. Overall, this reads chiefly like an abridged history lesson and does not really discuss any kind of narrative trends or identity in modern fiction.

(Note: Ancient Egypt, Ancient Persia, Ancient Rome, The Middle Ages, The Low Middle Ages, The High Middle Ages, The Late Middle Ages and probably a few others have similar potential issues and will need their own looks-into. Ancient Greece, notably, is a Useful Note, not a trope.)

As for the examples:

Total:

• Real-life Africa, African cultures or African historic figures exist: 12/31 = 38.71%
• Fantasy Counterpart Culture of Africa or some specific African civilization: 6/31 = 19.35%
• Fictional African country: 3/31 = 9.68%
• Others: 10/31 = 32.26%

The largest category is simply chairs, the second is covered by Fantasy Counterpart Culture, and the third is coved by Bulungi.

Minus Tropes Needing TRS, the Image Source and Quote Source indexes, Elenco Provvisorio A, some quotes pages, the TRS queue, and its own laconic, there are 69 inbounds, so I had a look at them all:

Total:

• Real-life Africa, African cultures or African historic figures exist: 24/69 = 34.8%
• Fantasy Counterpart Culture of Africa or some specific African civilization: 21/69 = 30.4%
• Fictional African country: 1/69 = 1.4%
• Hollywood History or The Theme Park Version of Africa: 3/69 = 4.3%.
• ZCE: 6/69 = 8.7%
• Others: 14/69 = 20.3%

Almost all examples here just describe real-life ancient Africa existing in some tangential capacity, fictional counterparts to Africa, or some combination thereof. This is a very straightforward case of chairs, in my opinion, and doesn't really achieve anything that Fantasy Counterpart Culture, Darkest Africa and Bulungi aren't already taking care of. My suggestion is to just move any useful bits of the description to UsefulNotes.Africa, disambig it and dewick.

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I decided to also do internal wick checks for a few related tropes to see if this is part of a wider trend. I checked two, Ancient Egypt and Ancient Persia. In the former case I checked one example in five, while in the latter I checked all examples minus the Real Life folder.

Total:

• Work set in real-life Egypt: 9/24 = 37.5%
• Egyptian theming for a performer or character: 3/24 = 12.5%
• Others: 4/24 = 16.7%
• ZCE: 8/24 = 33.3%

Total:

• Work set in real-life Persia: 14/25 = 56%
• Historic sources and nonfiction works discussing Persian history: 5/25 = 20%
• Works and religions from Persia: 2/25 = 8%
• Other: 4/25 = 16%

Again, the overall trend is the same. These just describe a real-life historic culture being mentioned, sometimes in very tangential capacities, and insofar as they describe deliberate narrative trends they're basically "Fantasy Counterpart Culture but more specific".

There are a few other similar tropes that I did not have the time to check here, namely Ancient Rome, The Middle Ages, Dark Age Europe, The Low Middle Ages, The High Middle Ages, and The Late Middle Ages. Since I’m starting this, I also wanted to ask whether it would make the most sense to tackle all this as a chunk or to start separate threads for each trope.

I would also like to note that Ancient Greece is a Useful Note, although it's the kind of Useful Note that apparently lists both trope and work examples for some reason.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jun 3rd 2023 at 2:19:08 PM

Minor nitpick page links on the wiki are called wicks, not inbounds. The latter measures how many people have visited a page via an outside link. The wick checks you did for the other tropes were on page example checks. The inbound check you did is what we would call a wick check.

Anyways I agree with the proposed merge relevant info to UsefulNotes.Africa and disambig.

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Merge and disambig

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Merge with UsefulNotes.Africa and disambiguate. The Fantasy Counterpart Culture examples can just be moved to that trope and the tropes for fictional countries can be moved to tropes for fictional countries (like Bulungi).

Edited by GastonRabbit on May 31st 2023 at 11:57:11 AM

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Merge and disambig

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I think the tropes you listed are supposed to be Hollywood History entries, but I'm not sure how much they're actually being used as such, and I'm not sure "Ancient Africa" is actually a distinct concept in fiction; it's very rare that any part of Africa outside Egypt, at any time, gets portrayed as anything other than Darkest Africa (or Bulungi if it's more contemporary).

Edited by MorganWick on Jun 1st 2023 at 6:36:23 AM

agree with the merge and disambig (and for the same to be done for the other similar tropes in future threads)

Yup, merge and disambig.

+1 for merge/disambig

Merge & disambig.

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The page has been disambiguated, and the wick count isn't that high.

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Done here, so locking up.

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