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Welcome to the new Complete Monster (CM) cleanup thread! This thread is where we clean up or cut already-existing entries.

If you're looking to add new entries, please see the approval thread.

IMPORTANT: Before you begin any discussions on this thread, please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List. Here, you'll find explanations of the criteria for the trope as well as our rules/procedures for approving and cutting candidates.

What goes through this thread?

    Examples 
  • Cut requests. If you believe a CM has been approved and they do not count, this thread is where you propose their removal. To know how to go about this, please see the FAQ folder on the Administrivia page, where the process is explained in detail.
  • If we ever need to consider cutting multiple examples without individually reviewing them (e.g. if we discover widespread plagiarism with a particular troper's CMs), the initial discussion will be on this thread and we'll then escalate to the mod team (as described here) to get a formal consensus if we decide to recommend a mass cut.
  • If an entry was put on the wrong subpage/YMMV page, you may propose where they should be moved to.
  • Full rewrites of existing entries, including expansions, trims, and ground-up rewrites. If your rewrite is approved by the thread, feel free to add it to the drafts page so that other users can check grammar and the like before it is included with the rest of the weekly swaps.
  • If an entry on a work's YMMV page doesn't match the entry on the media subpage, you can bring it here to discuss which entry works better.

What does not go through this thread?

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  • New candidate proposals - as stated before, those are done on this thread.
  • Unapproved wicks - if a Troper encounters either of these kinds of wicks, they can be cut with no approval.
    • Any CM link on a non-YMMV page - as a YMMV trope, it should not be linked on those pages regardless of any cleanup effort. The only exception is if the wick is being used within the definition of another trope.
    • If an CM link on a YMMV page refers to an unapproved character. If it refers to an approved character on any such page, the wick can stay. On the other hand, if the unapproved character being linked to sounds like they might have promise (and you don't feel like checking it out for yourself), feel free to mention it on the approval thread - someone may already know why they don't count, or it could invite a brand new discussion!
  • Proposals for images, quotes, and videos of already-approved CMs - quotes and images are proposed on the approval thread, while videos can be uploaded normally as they are screened for approval by the moderation.
  • Crosswicking examples to YMMV pages - if an example has already been approved and added to the main page, you do not require any special permission to add the example to a work's YMMV page (assuming the work has a page already). If a YMMV page doesn't exist yet, then you can make it yourself, but either way, feel free to just add the example without asking.
  • Small changes to existing entries - these can simply be done on a Troper's own prerogative with no approval.
    • Spelling and grammar fixes.
    • Pothole changes.
    • Minor rewordings.
    • Spoiler tags.

While these changes do not require any kind of approval, it is requested that should you make any of these changes, you do one of the following:

  1. Make the same changes on the relevant Sandbox page, then add the Sandbox to the list at the bottom of the drafts page. This will add the Sandbox to the weekly swaps and ensure that the edits end up on the relevant locked page. If the Sandbox is already listed, then once you make the edits, your job is already done!
  2. If you don't know how the Sandboxes work or simply don't have the time to find it, then you can simply post on the thread about the changes you made. Someone else can then make the edit on the relevant Sandbox and add it to the weekly swaps.
  3. Alternatively, you can simply request that the change be made directly to the locked page on the Locked Pages thread. Members of this thread keep track of that one, so we will ensure that the changes are made in the Sandbox so that it doesn't get deleted during the next swap.

Again, these changes don't require any approval, but we prefer to keep the entries on the YMMV pages and the locked pages the same in order to avoid any miscommunication or errors between entries, so if you do make the change, we would greatly appreciate it if you could ensure the change is made on the locked page as well.

As a final note, we do not care what other sites have to say regarding whether or not a character counts. We have our own criteria and they have theirs for their CM equivalents; while they are similar, they are not exactly the same and should not be treated as such. Another site removing a character from their equivalent should not be a reason why a cut is proposed here, and if this is the case, it will likely lead to mod intervention.

Other than this, once again, welcome to the cleanup thread, and we look forward to your contributions!


Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 14th 2024 at 11:30:03 AM

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#7226: Jun 25th 2023 at 10:40:33 AM

I'd rather "he" than "the latter" as it was since that looks awkwardly formal and I don't think it's as unclear as you're making it out to be but I don't see the need to debate semantics so I'll leave any further decision making to you.

ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#7228: Jun 25th 2023 at 11:41:34 AM

  • A Song of Ice and Fire Fan Works
  • Criminal (2006):
    • Vol. 1 issues #1-5—"Coward": Delron Krumsky is the psychopathic lieutenant for a drug kingpin. After getting freed from prison in order to track down a load of heroin that the protagonists, Leo Patterson and Greta Watson, had inadvertently stolen from an evidence van, Delron murdered the latter's elderly mother and took her daughter as leverage. After tracking Greta down, Delron tortured her for the location of the heroin by driving nails into her palms, and eventually killed her in spite of his partner's attempts to stop him. When Leo finds him at a motel with Greta's daughter, we learn that Delron was planning to sell the little girl to Russian slavers. Upon discovering Leo, Delron naturally tries to beat him to death before getting killed himself.
    • Vol. 2 issue #1—"Second Chance in Hell": Walter Hyde is the abusive father of Sebastian, who paved the way for the ruthless Hyde crime empire of the modern day. Walter swayed fellow enforcer Clevon Brown into helping him launch a bloody coup against their mob superiors, leading to multiple deaths across the city. Then establishing his own cruel, domineering control over the city with routine beating, extortion, and murder of innocent people, Walter mistreats and moulds his son Sebastian into a brutal mobster just like his dad. In the culmination of his abuse, Walter responds to the news that Sebastian has fallen in love with and impregnated the Black woman Danica Briggs by ordering her kidnapped, her baby forcefully aborted, and her womb rendered bloody and barren, out of nothing but racism and a desire to harden Sebastian.
  • Diablo IV: Astaroth, the Charred Duke, is a demon servitor of Mephisto whose actions are still remembered in infamy. Arriving in Scosglen in years past, Astaroth brought about the "Days of Ash" where he rampaged across Scosglen. Torturing and murdering everything he found, Astaroth annihilated entire villages and condemned the souls of some victims to eternal agony before being defeated and contained. Upon being granted freedom by possessing his jailer Donan's son, Astaroth gleefully massacres an entire populated area before mocking Donan how his son suffered under Astaroth's possession.
  • Kuroinu Rebellion: In this RPG Maker game where the events of the original Visual Novel are a Bad Future that Sir Seth tries to avoid, the following duo are trying their best to bring said future:
    • Vult is the leader of the Kuroinu—a mercenary army fighting for riches and glory for the Seven Shields Alliance of Eos—and the willing servant of the Black Beast God. Introduced as a friendly leader, Vult shows his dark side by proposing to kill a surrendered enemy general. Considered a hero for his victories against the Aberrants, Vult is send to deal with their Queen Origa, winning and taking her throne to crown himself as the new Evil Overlord and proposing the Kuroinu use the Aberrants to turn Eos into a country of sexual slavery. When his lieutenant and pupil Seth is horrified at the idea and escapes with Origa and Chloe to warn about Vult's invasion, Vult frames Seth as his second-in-command to hinder his efforts and starts a invasion that kill thousands despite the efforts of Seth and the Princess Knights, with Vult showing willingness to sacrifice his own soldiers and use Deadly Gas on a Hafling city when they resist the invasion.
    • The Black Beast God Kuroinu himself is a Dark Elf that was elevated to godhood by his people during their genocidal war against the Light Elves and Humanity. Betraying his own species, Kuroinu turned many elves into Aberrants, creatures with a innate desire to kill and rape, and started to spread his degeneracy across the world, forcing the surviving Dark Elves to ally with their enemies to seal him. When the mercenary Vult contacts him, Kuroinu makes him name his army after him and empowers Vult to defeat Queen Origa, the last pure-blood Dark Elf, and crown himself King of his own degenerate country to continue Kuroinu's plans to ravage the world and use Vult and Origa's hypothetical Child by Rape as his mortal vessel. When Sir Seth proves to be a trouble that Kuroinu can't foresee, Kuroinu turns humans—including a redeemed noble that never made a deal with him—into expendable vessels to try to kill him. When his vessel Hicks dies in combat, Kuroinu proceeds to torture his soul for fun, showing that not even Kuroinu's willing servants are safe from his sadism.
  • Rebels fanfics Children of the Force & Every Colour But Red:
    • The Grand Inquisitor is head of the Inquisitorius and Darth Sidious's right hand. He leads the Inquisitors in crushing any opposition to the Empire's rule, leaving a trail of death whatever they go. The Grand Inquisitor personally leads a purge on Mandalore to crush the Fifth Uprising, forcing Sabine Wren to develop technology used in massacres. Under his leadership, Inquisitors steal and hunt Force-sensitive children and send them to the Academy on Dromund Kaas where they are tortured until they embrace the Dark Side. After the death of the High Interrogator, the Grand Inquisitor plans to make Ezra the new Interrogator, kidnapping a kind farmer's wife to force him to lure Ezra into a trap. He gives the Seventh Sister the task of breaking Ezra, leading to her sexually abusing the boy and eventually forcing Ezra to kill his friend Dev Morgan. When Sidious wants new Inquisitors in the field as fast as possible, the Grand Inquisitor orders the Headmaster to send all broken kids to him and kill the rest in a week, before ordering all kids killed when the Rebellion comes to rescue them. Working with Grand Admiral Thrawn, Grand Inquisitor plans to attack a rebel base on Yavin IV and wipe the rebellion out and steal freed children back, while giving Viceroy Gar Saxon the idea to provoke another Mandalorian purge.
    • Children of the Force only: The Headmaster is a cruel man in charge of the Inquisitor Academy. Introduced almost shooting a young girl for crying and beating Ezra when the boy protests, the Headmaster drops kids into a jungle on Dromund Kaas, making them either come to the Academy in five hours or die. In the Academy, the Headmaster subjects kids to constant mental and physical torture, having no problem with his staff or Inquisitors taking sexual advantage of children, in order to break them and make them into puppets of the Empire. When Ezra and his friends plan to escape, the Headmaster shoots Dev Morgan in the gut, making Ezra beg for him to Mercy Kill Dev or watch him suffer for days.
    • Every Colour But Red only: Viceroy Gar Saxon is the treacherous Governor of the Mandalore Sector who oppresses his people on the Empire's behalf and lets Inquisitors steal their children. He falsely befriends and manipulates Sabine into going to Sundari Academy, planing to use the girl as a hostage should her clan turn against him. During the Fifth Uprising, Saxon works with the Grand Inquisitor to regain control of Mandalore, uncaring about all the Mandalorians who died in the purge, even introducing Sabine to the Inquisitor and presenting her technology to him. After Sabine joins the Rebellion, Saxon makes her young brother Tristan one of his commandos, threatening to massacre the whole Wren clan if the boy turns on him. When the Mandalorians continue to prove rebellious, Saxon plans to fake a terrorist attack to kill clan heads and call forth a new purge.
  • Madness Combat Fan Video Madness: Ascend: Jebus is far more monstrous than his well-intentioned canon counterpart. A selfish being, Jebus manipulated the population of Nevada into letting him build a factory that polluted the land and caused the people to mutate into the cross faces that he brainwashes into being his minions. While Nevada becomes a horrid wasteland, Jebus lives in paradise. When Hank arrives to destroy his factory and save Nevada, Jebus callously kills him by stabbing him in the back of the head while he is distracted.
  • The Boogeyman (2023): The Boogeyman is a vile entity speculated to have haunted mankind from the beginning of time. Despite its capability to kill entire families, the Boogeyman prioritizes driving its victims to the brink of insanity, prolonging the torment of its victims much to its sadistic amusement. After slaughtering Lester Billings's three children—the youngest being an infant—it stalks the Harper family, gradually breaking them down and feeding on their trauma. When Rita Billings fails to kill the Boogeyman in an elaborate harebrained scheme, the Boogeyman gruesomely rips her in half before retreating to the house and taking Dr. Will Harper and Sawyer hostage.
  • The Devil's Own: Mobster Billy Burke, an arms dealer based in New York City, crosses paths with Frankie "The Angel" McGuire, alias Rory Devaney, who expresses interest in purchasing Stinger missiles for the IRA, missiles that would cause much damage. Despite Burke's efforts to secure the deal, Frankie hesitates, leaving Burke in a dire financial situation after acquiring the Stingers. To exert pressure, Burke dispatches his henchmen to vandalize the residence of police officer Tom O'Mara, where Frankie had been staying, and they hold Tom's wife hostage. Burke captures and mercilessly beats Frankie's friend Sean Phelan, seeking revenge, before gruesomely decapitating the latter. Further belittling Frankie's intellect, Burke demands that he hand over the owed money. While he is brought down by Frankie's cleverness, Burke is the worst America has to offer: an individual whose own greed fuels his violence, not caring about the collateral damage as long as he gets paid.
  • Nazis at the Center of the Earth (2012):
    • Adolf Hitler himself, resurrected in a new mechanical body, seeks to restart his genocidal campaign by establishing a Fourth Reich. Upon resurrection, Hitler decapitates one of the kidnapped researchers, and leads his army to conquer the planet. Hitler would blow up a military aircraft and its pilots with it, and tries to kill the rest of the researchers when they tried to escape. His ultimate plan is to infect the planet with flesh-eating bacteria, with which he'll bombard several countries to further his megalomaniacal goals of conquest.
    • Josef Mengele is a genius scientist and military commander who seeks to bring Hitler back to life and create the Fourth Reich by bombing every non-Aryan country with a flesh-eating bacteria and an army of technologically advanced Nazis. Escaping to Antarctica during World War II, Mengele prolongs the lifespan of his organization and forces a doctor named Riestad to bring a "constant supply" of victims to him, so he could vivisect them to keep him and his army alive. Abducting a group of researchers, Mengele keeps a skinless man alive for hours and executes another who he suspected was a Jew. Selecting a group of women, Mengele gives one to be raped by his men and lobotomizes another, removing her brain with his own hand in a fit of anger. After reviving Hitler by allowing Riestad to kill his own unborn child and take his stem cells, Mengele plans on bringing the rest of the researchers to surgery so they could not be liabilities anymore.
  • The Nightingale (2019): Lieutenant Hawkins is a representation of the worst of the British soldiery. After heroine Clare Carroll requests he free her from servitude, Hawkins rapes her, later leading a gang rape of her and murdering her husband Aidan when he blames her for losing out on a promotion, resulting in one of his men murdering her baby Bridget. When heading to Launceston to secure a captaincy, Hawkins accepts his Sergeant Ruse abducting a native woman named Lowanna to use as a Sex Slave, raping her before leaving her for Ruse. Abandoning his men and murdering Lowanna during an Aboriginal attack, Hawkins tries to have Clare's guide "Billy" Mangana murdered. When a young boy convict named Eddie cannot shoot Billy, Hawkins abandons the former, mocking him over extending his sentence, and finally shooting Eddie dead when the latter won't stop begging for another chance.
  • The Ceremonies, by T.E.D. Klein: The dark entity, arriving on Earth eons before mankind, seeks a return to its full might. Killing, reviving, and corrupting the innocent boy who will become the wicked Mr. Rosebottom, the entity centers on heroes Jeremy Freirs and Carol to birth it into a new and powerful state. Initiating the ceremonies via manipulation, the entity causes numerous deaths from natural disasters and panic while possessing and burning out numerous bodies. Possessing the farmer Sarr Poroth, it tries to rape Carol to impregnate her with its new body.
  • Children of the Red King's Charlie Bone and the Castle of Mirrors: Florence and Usher de Grey are an endowned couple, who share a cold marriage with no signs of affection. Florence's gift allows her to create enchanted "binding oaths", which she makes unknowing victims sign whenever they are indebted, and when the vow is broken will cause debilitating pain. The oaths never being destroyed even when the debt has been fulfilled and kept protected by Usher's Force Field endownment, whereby the present day they have repeated this process on potentially hundreds of victims. The de Greys are assigned by the Bloors to be Billy's adoptive parents in order to better control him, where they make him sign an oath to be adopted. After Billy is rescued and steals the oaths, he gets hunted and attacked by the cursed papers.
  • Even Though I Knew the End: Zashiel was an angel banished from Heaven and forced to seek penance on Earth, only for Zashiel to lose faith on how they were to return to Heaven. For this, Zashiel would become the White City Vampire by possessing young women to murder people who were so they could steal their souls, breaking the minds of the women they possessed and rendering them catatonic. Using the souls they gathered Zashiel then abducted Helen Brandt's brother Ted to use his pure soul as a sacrifice to summon the Archangel Michael to let them back into Heaven, and then tries to kill Helen and her lover Edith when they try to stop them.
  • The Island of Doctor Moreau: Dr. Moreau himself is an unfettered vivisector determined to create humans using animals. After fleeing Britain as a pariah for flaying a dog which escaped his lab, Moreau took up residence on a remote island, taking more creatures to continue his experiments with. Spending the years torturously crafting over 120 animals into pain-stricken sapient beings, Moreau has them taught the "Law" to keep them under control and to worship him as a god. With his House of Pain, he tortures any who disobey his Law to the point where protagonist Edward Prendick shoots a leopard man Moreau meant to punish dead to save him from the agony. Dying when a puma he had been horribly working on for weeks breaks free, the memory of Moreau's cruelty nevertheless causes revolt amongst the surviving beast folk.
  • Jackpot Trilogy: Vespasian is an utterly depraved "continua enthusiast" who takes the attitude that stubs are expendable to its furthest possible extreme. A weapons fetishist, Vespasian gets his kicks by manipulating entire timelines into pointless, grinding conflict to salivate over their tools of destruction, bringing death and misery to untold billions for his own sick amusement. Vespasian's modus operandi is to make minor changes to a timeline, then let the butterfly effect do its thing, resulting in chaos which he later wades into and makes far, far worse. When Inspector Lowbeer, a ruthless pragmatist who's used to working with the worst of the worst to achieve her goals, is forced to make a deal with him, she has him killed almost immediately afterwards, as she finds him "too horrible to possibly let live". Despite his death, Vespasian's influence continues into Agency, primarily set in the last stub he manipulated before his death, which is on the verge of nuclear war as a result.
  • UnBound's "UnNatural Selection": Dr. Rodin is a seemingly polite member of the Burmese Dah Zey and is in charge of the "Magic Kingdom" harvest camp. There, Rodin horrifically experiments on and modifies countless people into monstrous forms of "art", such as grafting extra limbs onto them or combining them with animals, leaving many of those who survive in constant pain, something other members of the Dah Zey find disturbing.
  • Kung Fu (2021)'s second season has a pair of Corrupt Corporate Executives:
    • Russell Tan is a corrupt businessman who was the true murderer of Nicky Shen's aunt years ago. With an iron-fisted control over San Francisco, Russell's dealings lead to numerous deaths. Revealing himself to have no care for his children, Russell murders his daughter and his son, possessing the latter, before heading into the realm of spirits to retrieve a powerful amulet to make himself invincible, with no care that this will destroy every spirit inside.
    • Chase Matheson, appearing in "Jyu Sa", is a corrupt businessman who targets vulnerable women at his place of business. Using typical grooming efforts, Chase proceeds to get them drunk in private meetings before sexually assaulting them. With Althea Shen-Soong as one victim, it is revealed she is far from the only one. Upon being exposed, Chase takes the chance to try to mock Althea first chance he gets.
  • Feds' "I Am Many": Foster Mills is a brilliant yet narcissistic psychopath, who dresses up his murderous sadism beneath the illusion of righteousness. In 2004, Foster, a self-admitted angry man, became a terrorist, sending letters laced with anthrax to his targets, killing multiple people. Gaining a sense of focus from his death sentence, Foster vowed not to die without leaving his mark on the world and reinvented himself as a cult leader. Creating "I Am Many", based around twisting religious philosophy into "even God requires the devil to act", Foster, smuggling messages out of the prison, converted multiple disenfranchised individuals into fanatics willing to kill themselves rather than fail him. The day before his execution, Foster had them carry out two hydrogen cyanide gas attacks, causing ten people to agonisingly choke to death. This was merely a prelude to his real plan, whereupon the day of his execution, his zealots would carry out multiple simultaneous gas attacks on major cities, writing the anniversary of his death into the history books with their blood, with his final target being the one victim to survive his original anthrax attacks for "defying" him.
  • Dracula: Sovereign of the Damned: Satan is the progenitor of vampires and the personal creator of Dracula himself. Having resurrected the dead Vlad Tepes and forcefully transformed him into the blood-drinking Dracula, Satan unleashed him and other vampires onto the world to wreak death and chaos for centuries. When Dracula turns on him and steals away his bride-to-be Dolores, Satan waits until Dracula and Dolores have a baby so that Satan can hurt them the most when he engineers the infant's death. Satan then tries to kill Dracula and Dolores while revealing that Dolores's power is the only thing holding him back, and once she is gone, his long-schemed intent to bring on Hell on Earth will see fruition.
  • Champions (2016):
    • Issue #3: The militant commander is the leader of a group of Islamic radicals attempting to instill gender apartheid on the city of Lasibad. The militant commander leads the oppression of the young girls and women of the city, and has no issue killing them if they don't comply with his warped ideas in order to prevent them from getting healthcare and education. When a young girl named Amal stands up to him, the commander orders the massacre of the entire crowd gathered to help her and later tries to personally kill Amal himself.
    • Issue #5: Sheriff Studdard is the racist chief of Daly County's police. He uses his influence to spread hatred and inspire violence against marginalized people. Studdard bombs a mosque and, when confronted by the Champions, threatens to make examples of them as well.
    • Issue #9: Mr. Gloom is a San Diego drug producer who lures kids into his service. Working for a mysterious crime lord, Gloom has kids implanted with chips he can use to blow them up in case of disobedience. When Viv and Red Locust break in to save the kids, Gloom threatens to blow them all up before being stopped by the heroes.
  • "Minimum Carnage" event: Marquis Radu is a devout protege of Baron Karza himself, who has his own plan to dominate the Microverse and beyond. Inspired by the ancient legends of symbiotes devastating his universe, Radu lures and captures Carnage and Venom in his laboratory, where they are painfully experimented on. Radu duplicates their symbiotes and feeds thousands of people to the ravenous beings as hosts, proclaiming his goal of unleashing an army of symbiotes onto the Microverse until the Enigma Force, and life itself, are devoured. Radu will then assume the place of the Enigma Force as a practical god, enabling him to collapse the Macroverse and all of reality in on itself and remake it in his own image.
  • Carnage: Black, White & Blood (multiple other Earths):
    • Issue #1:
      • "End of the Trail": The Carnage symbiote, arriving on Earth at some point during the late 19th century, takes over an unnamed host and gleefully burns down a church in Kansas with the congregation trapped inside. Attacking a Great Northern Railway train in Montana, Carnage kills all the passengers; massacres the entire populace of Saber, New Mexico; burns down a bank for no reason; and kills a group of poker players only to steal their teeth. Holing up in a cave in the Colorado wilderness, Carnage decorates its lair with the corpses of bounty hunters and townsfolk—impaling several on trees to rot. Hunted down by elite U.S. Marshal Seth Strode, Carnage lures him into an ambush and bonds to him, setting out to use him to commit even more atrocities.
      • "You Are Carnage": The Carnage symbiote, captured by the US military, is bonded to an unnamed soldier as a successor to Agent Venom. Should the soldier not possess the willpower to resist its sadistic bloodlust, or choose to give in, the Carnage symbiote takes control of him and gleefully goes on a feeding frenzy in the Metro-General Hospital's maternity ward; brutally slaughters a trio of Ani-Men committing a bank robbery; and/or massacres a squadron of NYPD officers. Recaptured by the military after a horrifying rampage, the symbiote consumes its host from the inside-out until nothing but bones remain.
    • Issue #2's "My Name is Carnage": The Carnage symbiote arrives in Nunavut, Canada in 1803 via the Halvorson Meteorite. Spending the next two centuries slaughtering and devouring everything it came across, Carnage comes to be feared as the mythological Qiqion by the local Inuit. Bonding to the Inuit guide Kalik, it uses him to slaughter his companions and then lure in new victims under the pretence of guiding explorers to the meteor. Encountering an expedition sent by H.A.M.M.E.R., Carnage uses Kalik to lure them into the wilderness and picks them off one by one until only Mr. Creary remains. Impressed by Creary's ruthless determination, Carnage tortuously separates from Kalik and bonds to him, murders its former host in cold blood, and declares its intent to use Creary to turn the rest of the world into its hunting grounds.
    • Issue #4's "Carnage Beyond": The Carnage symbiote abandons its longtime host, Cletus Kasady, when the latter repenting his murderous ways and takes over the comatose Dylan Brock to obtain the godlike power he'd possessed as Knull's acolyte Codex. Under Carnage's control, Codex conquers the Earth and massacres everyone save a few he spares only to torture to death—including his own mother, Anne Weying. Intent on revenge against the Dylan Brock of another universe, the Carnageized Codex impersonates Anne to ambush him, and tries to assimilate Dylan's Venom symbiote while mocking them for being weak. Dismissed as an absolute monster, the Carnage symbiote is torn from Codex's dying body and utterly destroyed by Dylan's King in Black powers.
  • 2008 game:
    • Lucifer, the Light Bringer, was cast down from Heaven after a failed coup, forced to live as a mortal human. Using his magic and parts of his throne, Lucifer crafted the Philosopher's Stone as a way to transplant his soul from person to person and extend his immortality. Corrupting the minds of many of history's greatest men, Lucifer hopes to one day use the Stone to reincarnate back to his proper form and summon his legion to Earth, where he will conquer the world and enslave all of mankind. Awakened from his favorite host Edward Carnby by the sinister Crowley, Lucifer rains destruction all across New York City as he hopes to do the same to the entire world.
    • Crowley is an occultist who seeks the power of the Philosopher's Stone to become Lucifer's vessel upon his reincarnation. Willing to sacrifice all of mankind in exchange for the power of Lucifer, Crowley tortures Theofile Paddington into awakening Lucifer from Edward Carnby, ordering one of his men to kill Edward afterwards. Uncaring about the destruction he's inflicted upon New York thanks to Lucifer's awakening, Crowley at the end holds Sarah Flores at gunpoint in exchange for Edward's half of the Stone.
  • Gala Emile's Adventurer Story: Werner appears posing as Emile's minister in the Dyrenell empire, which Emile is now emperor of. However, Werner was actually feigning loyalty in order to poison Emile and take the throne for himself, having Emile thrown into the river to drown. After that, Werner taxes the people of Dyrenell so heavily that they can hardly feed themselves, and he puts all that money toward going to war with Saint Lotier, which the citizens state they don't even want. Werner also has Magnus imprisoned and nearly executed for standing up to his tyrannical rule.
  • Dragon Booster: Armeggaddon was the Emperor of the Black Draconium Empire who lived 3,000 years ago and was responsible for triggering the first Dragon-Human War that nearly brought both races to extinction, before he was defeated by being trapped within the Shadow Track. Accidentally awakened in the present day, Armeggaddon selects Moordryd Paynn to be his apprentice, training him to become the Shadow Booster and encouraging increasingly immoral actions including killing, which horrifies Moordryd and drives him away. He reveals he intends to start another Dragon-Human War to wipe out all life on the planet but himself.

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Agentofchaos A God Am I from Somewhere in the Universe Since: Dec, 2021
#7229: Jun 25th 2023 at 2:00:40 PM

On The Southern Book Club's Guide to Slaying Vampires on James Harris's entry someone added this to the end:

REALITY IS AN ILLUSION, THE UNIVERSE IS A HOLOGRAM, BUY GOLD BYEEEE! | She/Her
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#7230: Jun 25th 2023 at 2:05:23 PM

I'm fine if someone wants to put that on the ymmv since were really More lax on that. But don't add it to The main entry. It's really pointless to him counting. It's not even the most dickish thing he does in that scenario. After he sexually assaults her. He spreads a rumour that she has Aids (a total oscratisation in the 90's) just to isolate and destroy her life more.

The thing Is Harris is an absolute scumbag and I will stand that he's one of tH worst vampires introduced in a modern literature book. And we'd have to tweak his entry all the time if wanted to add every detail about every dick move he pulls over the whole book.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#7231: Jun 25th 2023 at 2:11:02 PM

Well, the entries have to match (the OP even points out that one of the purposes of this thread is to correct mismatches), so if you think it shouldn’t go on the main page, then we should delete it from the YMMV.

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#7232: Jun 25th 2023 at 2:24:35 PM

STAR's correct. I'd just cut it if it's not substantial. We can still host a relaxed environment simply deleting additions that aren't necessary.

Michealthehero21 Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#7233: Jun 25th 2023 at 2:55:56 PM

Speaking of unnecessary additions, someone made this unapproved addition underneath the CM entry from Bramble the Mountain King;

  • This makes the fact that killing of the Skogsrä is treated so harshly a bit perplexing. This monster has one of the greatest body counts and least sympathetic backstory of any enemy in the game. Yet, the story gives an explicit What the Hell, Hero?, and this act is listed among Olle's regrets in the climax.

I already deleted it but I thought you all should know.

MagiMecha Since: Dec, 2010
#7234: Jun 25th 2023 at 2:56:54 PM

While we still have one more episode left to go, for your consideration:

  • Mobile Suit Gundam: The Witch from Mercury (Ad Stellia) The Four CEOs of Peil Technologies, Nugen, Kal, Nevola, Golneri. While none of the companies that make up Benerit Group are free of sin, these four ladies behind Peil are probably the worst businesspeople around. They have the Enhanced Person Program, grabbing random vagrants and altering them to resemble their future replacement Elan Ceres so they can also test out GUND-Format devices in the process. They're disposable to them and if they fail, they're incinerated - the first Elan we see is #4 and he's killed after losing to Suletta and the fifth one is on the run because he doesn't want to join them. When discussing the Aerial's fate early in the series, they openly admit to making the Pharact Gundam but are willing to give it up to take down the Aerial before Miorine creates GUND-Arm Inc. When Prospera is making her move for initiate Quiet Zero and attacks Quinharbor and the subsequent attack at Asticassia School of Technology, they quickly move to the Space Assembly League's side to get away from any particular trouble that Benerit Group might get into. They also plot to take over Benerit Group once the incident is over with after using a Kill Sat to destroy the Quiet Zero battleship and everything in Lagrange Point 4 as an "accidental discharge".

The only problem with this IMO is the fact that all four women are never seen apart, they all function together and the rules state it has to be an individual.

ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#7235: Jun 25th 2023 at 3:01:09 PM

  • That should go here.
  • If there's still one episode, it's two weeks after said episode.

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Agentofchaos A God Am I from Somewhere in the Universe Since: Dec, 2021
#7236: Jun 25th 2023 at 3:01:57 PM

Multiple issues:

  • First, this is the cleanup thread, not the proposal thread:
  • Second, we only discuss works 2 weeks after the season finale, not anytime before unless the thread specifically agrees to do it earlier for a clear reason
  • The work is reserved by Emperor Geode, he gets first dibs on discussion when the time comes
  • We need more information than just a write up, we need explanation on how bad they are compared to other villains in continuity and how they lack redeeming qualities
  • We do allows groups, but only up to groups of 3, anything more than a trio and it gets too cloudy, after that they need to do things independently to qualify individually

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MagiMecha Since: Dec, 2010
#7237: Jun 25th 2023 at 3:58:42 PM

Oh, I'm sorry! I'm so embarrassed!

Agentofchaos A God Am I from Somewhere in the Universe Since: Dec, 2021
#7238: Jun 25th 2023 at 4:12:13 PM

No problem

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EmperorGeode Not the Eye from A Galaxy far, far away Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: On the prowl
Not the Eye
#7239: Jun 25th 2023 at 4:15:05 PM

All okay, happy to see another G Witch fan in the threads.

Agentofchaos A God Am I from Somewhere in the Universe Since: Dec, 2021
#7240: Jun 26th 2023 at 2:15:44 PM

Was this approved, on YMMV.Man On The Internet, edit history doesn't mention the thread

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Not the Eye
Echidna from Ontario, Canada Since: Aug, 2021 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
#7242: Jun 26th 2023 at 2:18:43 PM

There was no EP of him from what I have searched. I'll probably make an EP of him either tomorrow or another day.

Edited by Echidna on Jun 26th 2023 at 5:21:31 AM

ElJuaco Since: Aug, 2019
#7243: Jun 26th 2023 at 3:10:28 PM

Hi people. After reading the Indiana Jones and the Mystery of Mount Sinai novel, I'm starting to feel that maybe Helmut von Mephisto should be cut. Reasons? He mentions his mother as his "dear mother" and even mentions that she kept him locked up for his own good. Any thoughts on this, fellow tropers?

EmperorGeode Not the Eye from A Galaxy far, far away Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: On the prowl
Not the Eye
#7244: Jun 26th 2023 at 3:19:39 PM

It does sound somewhat disqualifing, but I would like more context of lines, specificaly what motivated her to lock him up.

AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
ElJuaco Since: Aug, 2019
#7246: Jun 26th 2023 at 3:25:55 PM

He never mentions what specifically, but the text notes he put vancant eyes while saying that she locked him up for his own good.

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The Moron
#7247: Jun 26th 2023 at 4:11:46 PM

I usually wait for the OP to respond before I make any judgements, but I know Scraggle is gone until the 30th - is it okay if you come back then so he can respond and we can have a full discussion on it? For the record I am not trying to dismiss you, I promise, but I know I like the chance to respond when my own candidates come up for discussion so I think it'd be good for all of us to wait until he comes back

futuremoviewriter Since: Jun, 2014
#7248: Jun 26th 2023 at 4:52:20 PM

Yeah. Let's get confirmation as to whether or not this is actually redeeming and why on either end too.

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Woagh
#7249: Jun 27th 2023 at 3:13:03 PM

Ight, so Man on the Internet. So recently we shot down his songs on Bowser and Ridley for the simple fact that there's none of the story requirement for it: they just brag about their crimes/what they plan on doing and that's it. With that, that got me thinking of another song they did and sure enough, i don't think there's enough: Marx from the "Vs. Marx" song.

Long story short, there's no plot. It's just Marx bragging about how he played everyone and want everyone to die and that's it. Like, we don't even see any of this onscreen either: the footage (and music for that matter) is from his boss battle from Smash Ultimate. I talked about this with Ravok and we both agreed that there isn't enough narrative for him to make it.

I'm not familiar with the other songs, but if anyone's wondering i'm perfectly fine with Lavos and the recently upvoted Dimento staying, they're part of full-on musical adaptations of the source work so there's more than enough story.

Also damn, it's been almost 2 years since i last did a proper post here. Shits crazy lmao.

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AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Lizzid people!
#7250: Jun 27th 2023 at 3:14:16 PM

Have to agree with Marx not counting since he falls on the same problems as Bowser. The others I am fine with.

Edited by AustinDR on Jun 27th 2023 at 3:15:44 AM


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