Complete Monster Cleanup

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I noticed that on the Quotes page under Live Acton TV the Mind Flayer from Stranger Things is listed. Except the Mind Flayer is no longer listed as a CM anymore due to Season 4 revealing that Vecna shaped it and that it is his puppet with Vecna being the CM. While one could argue that what the Mind Flayer through Billy is saying here is Vecna speaking through him but it shouldn't say the Mind Flayer if the Mind Flayer isn't considered a CM anymore. Plus since we don't know for sure if Vecna was doing that shouldn't the quote just be cut altogether?

Edited by Dvaderstarlord5 on Sep 29th 2023 at 8:38:32 AM

Vecna is doing that. The Mind Flayer is not some minion who serves him or anything, the Mind Flayer is just an extension of Vecna's will. The characters in the show and later the creators confirmed that.

Okay but the quote doesn't say that Vecna is saying it says the Mind Flayer so should it be changed to Vecna or mention Vecna as the one who said the quote? Since the Mind Flayer isn't listed as a CM anymore it was cut after it's true nature was revealed.

Edited by Dvaderstarlord5 on Sep 29th 2023 at 10:33:53 AM

Yeah, it should be changed to something like “Vecna talking through the Mind Flayer”

Question: We have DC Series; do we want to start one for Marvel? We currently have:

• Blade: The Series (3)
• The Gifted (2017) (1)
• Mutant X (1 currently approved; maybe more pending)
• The Incredible Hulk (1977) (2)
• Spider-Man (Japan) (2)

So nine now, possibly more to come.

Sorry, when the heck do they say Vecna controls the Mind Flayer? I distinctly remember Dustin saying something about how Vecna was like the Mind Flayer 's top general and don't remember anything in the season disproving that. Didn't One gain his power from the Mind Flayer after going into the Vale of Shadows?

Dustin's incorrect, the series has a scene of Henry/Vecna finding and shaping something he found in the Upside-Down into the Mind Flayer for him to use to speak through.

The "five star general" conjecture is debunked later in the season.

Edited by 43110 on Sep 30th 2023 at 1:36:03 PM

I am cool with that idea ACW.

It has come to my attention that To Those Who Are Never Going Home was removed from AO 3, which is the only place it was platformed. Given that the fic no longer exists, I think procedure is to remove its CM entry.

Edited by Critica7 on Oct 1st 2023 at 10:45:53 AM

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Hello everyone, I’m a little sick and haven’t read the answers to 380 yet, I’ll take a look in the next few days. I hope no one thinks negatively about me and my thoughts were clear. A couple of things.

1. First, the reduction of Pandaka Panay's entry. His “Day” of execution is completely behind the scenes. After one story mission, his propaganda trailers will announce that the day of execution will be set, but the problem is that we never see it or the consequences of the execution itself. Just a couple of news from his trailers, where in one she will be appointed and invites citizens to watch it, and in the other he reports that it was successfully carried out and invites citizens to pick up a photo of the execution. All. Apart from the fact that these two pieces of news will be repeated. In the plot itself, as far as I remember, there is no mention of this at all, no mission related to the Day of Execution, nothing. I became interested and even tried to find this place, but to no avail. So it's hardly worth mentioning when in the game itself it's just a mention after a couple of messages that are very easy to miss.

Old.

• Just Cause 2: Pandak "Baby" Panay is the oppressive and brutal dictator of Panau. Having usurped and assassinated his father, Panau's previous, benevolent, president, Panak immediate begins his regime by stripping away the rights of his citizens, and increasing his power in the military. If anyone questions his government, he has them tortured and killed. During the revolution, Panak has innocent civilians arrested, tortured and sometimes killed for minor offenses. When the prisons became full, Panak orders an Execution Day to put all prisoners to death. After a botched attempt to kill him, Panak retaliates by ordering a nuclear strike against Russia, America, China, and Japan, whilst attempting to kill Rico Rodriguez, promising to make his suffering legendary.

Proposed.

• Just Cause 2: Pandak "Baby" Panay is the oppressive and brutal dictator of Panau. Having usurped and assassinated his father, Panau's previous, benevolent, president, Panak immediate begins his regime by stripping away the rights of his citizens, and increasing his power in the military. If anyone questions his government, he has them tortured and killed. During the revolution, Panak has innocent civilians arrested, tortured and sometimes killed for minor offenses. After a botched attempt to kill him, Panak retaliates by ordering a nuclear strike against Russia, America, China, and Japan, whilst attempting to kill Rico Rodriguez, promising to make his suffering legendary.

Also an expansion of the recording of Father Mathias and the roach scientists. Matthias added his murder of Roy (his personal villainy), and the scientists threw away a sentient bunch of cordyceps, considering it a failure, which ultimately reanimates Leif's body.

• Bug Fables: The scientists in charge of Upper Snakemouth are a duo of sociopathic cockroaches who sought to recreate the Everlasting Sapling's incredible powers, no matter the cost. In hopes of achieving immortality without the sapling, they kidnapped innocent bugs and would subject them to inhumane experiments that would destroy their minds and turn them into feral cordyceps zombies and throw away a reasonable bunch of cordyceps, considering it a failure. Though long dead thanks to falling prey to their own hubris, the victims they left behind infest Snakemouth Lair as a haunting reminder of the atrocities they committed in their arrogant bid to create something even stronger than a god.

• Tomb Raider (2013): Father Mathias, upon being stranded on Yamatai island, tricks many of his fellow survivors into sailing off said island to prove that escaping by boat was impossible, uncaring about their deaths. Forming the Solarii Brotherhood based around the aforementioned Himiko, he only uses the Sun Queen to distract his followers while he tries to escape alone, showing no true loyalty to her or his cult; he has his initiates go through days or even weeks without food or water, with many driven to cannibalism. While tracking down the survivors of Dr. Whitman's expedition, Mathias and his army attack Lara and Conrad Roth's helicopter hovering site, and ultimately throws an ax to kill Roth. Callous to the deaths of his followers and allies alike, Mathias kills one of his own for objecting to his order to blow up a bridge some his men were on, and leaves Dr. Whitman to his death after convincing him to betray the other survivors. He then attempts to sacrifice Samantha Nishimura to Himiko, knowing that this would free her and doom the entire world.

2. Now the most important thing. I have a candidate for removal that I am confident in.

• Tonight We Riot: Chet Whippleton III is the CEO of Whipple Co., and the despotic ruler of an island nation dominated by his corporation. As CEO, Whippleton subjects his workers to abysmal conditions, often forcing them to take more than one job with little pay and any attempts at peaceful protest being violently put down by police and armed forces. When a revolution starts in response to Whippleton's brutality, Whippleton sics machines on the revolutionaries, declaring that their deaths will allow him to gain more profit for his shareholders. As the revolutionaries liberate their country from Whipple Co., they discover that Whippleton has been developing deadly inflammatory material and special toxic sludge for mass consumption; said toxic sludge turning anyone who consumes them into mindless mutants. When confronted at the top of Whipple Co., Whippleton declares himself to be superior to his workers simply because of his wealth and how he inherited his father's company, and that without him, no one will be able to create jobs and the economy would be ruined if he was to be overthrown.

He has no redeeming qualities, the guy is an obnoxious jerk and on paper he's pretty bad. That's the point. On paper. The problem is that it lacks emotional weight. Let's point it out right away. His main crime is his terrible treatment of his female workers and his production of deadly inflammatory materials and special toxic residues that turn people into mutants. The rest is standard. Brutal rebellion suppression? Bad, but standard, plus we don't even know if anyone was badly hurt or if there were deaths. The same goes for setting a machine on revolutionaries, this is a standard attempt to suppress a riot.

Now comes the fun part. His horrendous treatment of female workers sounds awful on paper. Problem? This is not properly shown. We see only three 3 slides, where yes, we see 3 unhappy people (on the 1st slide you can see others, but their faces are not visible, although they obviously feel bad) and the game itself shows this in fact in one word. “They felt bad.” That’s all. The story doesn’t go deep into how terrible the conditions are, just 3 slides with unhappy workers and words like “they felt bad.” Sorry, but I think this is very small and too general for a CM, especially when it is one of the villain's main crimes. This is very reminiscent of those two dogs from some rip-off that Captain Knox offered last year, where they seem to treat dog children horribly, but the story doesn't delve into how terrible it really is and just describes them as "they feel bad, they're in pain." That's it. This ends up looking like just the standard evil treatment of tyrant villains. It's the same here.

Finally, the most important thing is his creation of materials and sediment that turn people into mutants. It’s even worse here, since it’s just said in the newspapers (before each level there is a newspaper from the authorities) and literally only in them it is said that this substance seems to turn people into mutants. And that’s all. The revolutionaries are not horrified by this, the game itself doesn’t even focus on this emphasis, this seems more like a way of introducing a new enemy, rather than a terrible and monstrous crime. And about the sale of these things and further consequences. This is hardly mentioned. And in general, everything is mentioned so carelessly that.....it’s simply not even close to the level of CM. Their actions should always be shown clearly and fully, especially their worst crimes, and not in a "they had it bad" way or in a casual way. The game doesn't focus on them, which only makes them seem less horrific than they could be.

Generally? Whippleton seems like a simple yes on paper when you hear all his crimes. But when you see how careless or standard they are portrayed? It's just not the same. Moreover, when the revolutionaries rebel, the game simply forgets how bad it was for them. There are no injuries or stress. And the use and sale of substances that create mutants is not seen as catastrophic, unlike the sale of cocaine to Tempenny or Rascalov from you know what franchise. Recently Alberto Fussar was proposad to Lighty and the way he interacted with his workers was the true level of CM. I quote, “We see the complete hell into which Fussard turned Guarma. He enslaves people, works them to death, and simply kills them en masse when they try to resist. Torture and cruelty? It's just a normal day at work for Fusar." That's it. That's how terrible the treatment of workers must be. To be fair, Whippleton isn't treated like a horrible and vile monster, but like a standard greedy corrupt corporate executive and his crimes are effectively portrayed as typical mistreatment of employees.

Note that in his proposal xie323 mentioned that at the end of world 1 he destroyed most of the factory town. Uh, with all due respect, it’s not entirely clear why he thinks that way. Whippleton simply viciously tells the revolutionaries to enjoy their victory and flies off with a sinister laugh. That's all. There is no explosion even close. Honestly, after reviewing the full walkthrough, I was only more convinced that he wouldn’t even come close.

Here's the walkthrough itself. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3QCjSGSr38&t=836s

His treatment of his workers is shown at the beginning. 32.50 - 45.10 world 3 is shown in which substances that turn people into mutants are mentioned. If you want to see for yourself, then decide for yourself, emotional action is enough. For me personally, no and that's why I'm all for "Cut." xie323 did a very good job, but his candidate is a perfect example of a villain who seems like the perfect CM, only for the game itself to portray him in a generic way. The last thing I will say is that the walkthrough is not entirely English, but at the beginning there is an explanation in English, and in the 3rd world.... to be honest, I don’t think that words will change anything. It's important to see how his worst crimes are portrayed.

Edited by Ghal-Sur on Oct 1st 2023 at 1:56:19 AM

Sounds like a cut. Also, was I wrong? Is cutting CMs from fanfics that were taken down not standard procedure?

Edited by Critica7 on Oct 1st 2023 at 10:48:24 AM

Cut Whippleton there, great job on the thorough analysis as well! Lemme give my support to your rewrites as well.

I was going through the Monster page for Yugioh, and I noticed that the Doktor from Arc-V wasn’t on there despite being listed in the Arc-V YMMV. Could someone update the page to include him, please?

Cut Chet.

Was he properly voted up?

I don’t know; I wasn’t the one who proposed him or wrote his effortpost. I’m guessing he was approved though, going off of how his EP was written.

I searched for an EP and didn't find one, so he was probably unapproved.

Whippleton seems like a cut.

Doesn't look like the Doktor was formally approved.

I cut the entry with the reasoning of it being unapproved and linked to the proposal thread. Although I haven't seen ARC-V in years, I personally don't feel like the Doktor will count, as all I remember him doing and all the writeup indicates is brainwashing 4 people, even if he's a sadist about it.

As the original guy that proposed him, Whippleton.

Cut Whippleton.

And since we're cutting a villain for their crimes not being focused on enough, I may as well throw in a formal cut to Bagura from the Bomberman series. I already wrote a cut post for him a little while back—just replace "graphical limitations" with "narrative focus". There's no discussion on the potential damage of his Colony Drop on Planet Bomber or anything.

Cut Whippleton and Bagura

YMMV.The Flash Eobard Thawne is a subpage of a character page subpage (and covers multiple works). That is not allowed. Can you make sure the Complete Monster entries go to the correct work page/media subpage sandboxes, if they aren't already there?