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Original post:

Note: This thread was proposed by MacronNotes and covers Dark Skinned Blond in addition to Dark Skinned Redhead.

Here's the Trope Talk thread I started a couple of months ago when I was trying to narrow down the scope of both tropes.

Dark Skinned Blond and Dark Skinned Redhead have personality traits and other things associated with them but most people see nothing but the phenotype. I was hard pressed to find anything regarding the listed personality types for both descriptions. The few examples with context seemed more like Ambiguously Brown than anything.

Here's the wick checks for I did for each trope: Sandbox.Dark Skinned Blond Wick Check and Sandbox.Dark Skinned Redhead Wick Check wick checks. Interestingly, I got almost identical ratios for both tropes.

DSB

  • Dark-skinned Blonde: 27 wicks ~~~54%
  • DSB + additional context: 3 wicks~~~6%
  • ZCE: 20 wicks~~~40%

DSR

  • Dark-skinned Redhead: 27 wicks ~~~53%
  • DSR + additional context: 3 wicks~~~6%
  • ZCE: 21 wicks~~~41%

My solution

I think turning both tropes into disambigs + yarding whatever isn't covered by existing tropes is the best course action here.

Disambig targets for Dark Skinned Blond:

Disambig targets for Dark Skinned Redhead:

Dark Skinned Blonde wick check

    open/close all folders 
    Dark Skinned Blond 
  1. Anime.Basquash: Under Cast of Snowflakes— The grungy-looking Idiot Hero Dan, white haired bish Iceman, Ambiguously Brown Miyuki, Dark Skinned Blond Sela...
  2. Saber Marionette R: Canny from the Sexadolls has dark skin and white hair.
  3. Characters.Chronicles Of The Kencyrath Caineron: Under Amberley— Both in parallel and in contrast to Dark Skinned Redhead Brier. They were both born in Kothifir and have dark skin, but still lighter hair.
  4. Characters.Dead Or Alive Xtreme Venus Vacation Under Patty— Has tanned skin and silver hair.
  5. Characters.The Demon Girl Next Door: Under Lilith— Has a light tan and blonde hair. Justified as far as her skin color is concerned, as she's from the Middle East, but not the hair.
  6. Characters.Destructive Harmonics
    • Under Laugh of the Medusa: Musa bleached her hair in those days.
    • Doctor Alaria Ajowan: Commented out ZCE
  7. Characters.Fullmetal Alchemist Scar: As an Ishvalan, he has white hair and dark skin.
  8. Film.Gabriel 2007: Ahriman is a Black man with blond dreadlocks.
  9. Characters.Gintama Kabukicho: Under Jirocho Doromizu—Dark skin and white hair.
  10. Characters.Gunslinger Girl:
    • Under Triela—And it adds to the mysteriousness of her origins. She is, however, decidedly non-ditzy, breaking type a little. Triela originates from Tunisia, lending greater support to mixed ethnicity.
    • Under Speranza Guellfi: Like her genetic mother.
  11. Characters.Helluva Boss: Agent Two is a dark-skinned woman with blond hair.
  12. Characters.How I Met Your Mother Main Characters: Under Ted Mosby— Ted dyed his hair blond in the season 5 finale.
  13. Characters.Jackie Chan Adventures The Dark Hand: Under Valmont— He has platinum blonde hair and tanned skin.
  14. Characters.The King Of Fighters Heroes: Under K—Platinum blonde, specifically. As with his being Ambiguously Brown, it's unknown if this is K''s natural hair color or a result of the experiments performed on him.
  15. Characters.Monster Musume Others
    • Under Octo: Her hair-tentacles are noticeably lighter than her skin.
    • Under Moskii: Gives that impression with her dark skin and white hair.
  16. Characters.Negima Ala Rubra: Under Jack Rakan— He has blond hair and dark skin. It appears people of the Hellas Empire normally have this look.
  17. Characters.Pop N Music Ato C:
    • Under Bianca: She has white hair but it still counts.
    • Under Chara-O: Just the trope's name#Characters.Read Or Die: Under Wendy Earhart—She has dark skin and blond hair.
  18. Characters.Tokyo Afterschool Summoners Three True Guilds And Geniuses: The Three Geniuses — They all possess tanned skin and white hair.
  19. Characters.Zetsubou Robo: Under Staff Sergeant Kevin Howarth— Is mentioned in the book as having dirty blond hair and dark skin, although whether he is black or brown is not specified.
  20. ComicBook.Star Wars Poe Dameron: Karé Kun is a dark-skinned human with short blond hair.
  21. CuteBruiser.Video Games: From the game Star Ocean: Till the End of Time we have the character Peppita Rosetti(pothole), whom, if you take the time to train her a lot, can become stronger than characters like Cliff or Fayt.
  22. Literature.The Moorchild:The Folk are a species of Dark Skinned Blonds; Saaski inherits the appearance, which becomes a point of vicious teasing.
  23. Literature.Spitfire: Feon, with his warm brown skin and pure gold hair.
  24. Manga.Zodiac PI: The Leo sprite has tanned skin and golden hair.
  25. MrFanservice.Western Animation: Riot from Jem is pretty much every 80s rock star stereotype combined into one sexy guy. Even in-series his concerts are majority fangirls. He's a Dark Skinned Blond, long haired man with an attractive singing voice.
  26. ObviouslyEvil.Western Animation: Kaijudo: Rise of the Duel Masters seems to have a liking for playing with this trope. The Choten is a blonde, long-haired guy dressed costume, specialized in Water Creatures, with a rather Affably Evil attitude, while his Dragon, Alakshmi, is a dark-skinned(pothole), white-haired woman with a strong tendencies to Psychotic Smirks and trained in using Darkness Creatures, her favourite being Razorkinder Puppet.
  27. PlayingWith.Lookalike Lovers: One has Raven Hair, Ivory Skin, the other is Dark Skinned Blond.

    Dark Skinned Blond + additional context 
  1. Characters.Better Call Saul.Howard Hamlin: Has light blond hair and a perma-tan, which In-Universe is implied to be from regular sun bed use, as well as being involved in outdoor athletics based on the photos of him at his funeral reception (in Real Life Patrick Fabian is a keen surfer and most of the photos used in "Fun and Games" come from his Instagram account).
  2. Characters.Fate Grand Order Archers D To M: EMIYA—His skin tanned and his hair bleached as a result of his constant overuse of Projection magecraft. Or, alternatively as the UBW anime implies, it's because of his contract with Alaya. Locked into Strangeness
  3. Sandbox.Characters Apollo Justice Ace Attorney Under Kristoph— It gives him a foreign flavor in the original Japanese, and it's part of why he's German in the American version. Doubles as Truth in Television: Phoenix notes that Europe is "progressive" and that it's possible to become a lawyer at a much younger age than in the United States. This is actually true (although 17 is stretching it; the youngest as of 2013 is 18). I guess? Everything after the first sentence seems to be irrelevant to the trope though.

    ZCE 
  1. Anime.Rio Rainbow Gate: Linda. Commented out ZCE.
  2. Characters.Case Closed People From Notable Cases: People from the Seance's Double Locked Mystery Room Case— Mifune.
  3. Characters.Dangerously Chloe: Under Sergeant Ilsa Slash-Stab— The comic's shading suggests this to be the case.
  4. Characters.Fate Hollow Ataraxia: Under Archer—Though it's not natural.
  5. Characters.The Gifting Spirit: Rythis Windfall— Commented out ZCE
  6. Characters.Gumby: Goo—If deep blue skin counts as dark?
  7. Characters.Natural Selection:Beros Goyle—Gamagoori described her appearance as such.
  8. Characters.Red River 1995: Two commented out ZC Es
  9. Characters.The Shadows That Run Alongside Our Car: Under Dustin—His race is never disclosed or even implied, but he certainly matches this trope.
  10. Characters.Star Ocean 1: Under Dorne Murtough— Commented out ZCE
  11. Characters.Trauma Center: Under Elena Salazar—Commented out ZCE
  12. Characters.Walking City OCT: Under Catharine "Cat" and Princess Snow—Cat.
  13. Characters.Young Justice 2010 Justice League: Under Aqualad— And issue 14 of the tie in comics show that he gets it from his mom◊ (who amusingly enough kind of looks like Beyoncé)
  14. ComicBook.Forgotten Realms: Vartan.
  15. Literature.Witches Abroad: Ella, though it's noted this isn't an unusual arrangement in Genua.
  16. Music.Julia Nunes: In the summer, by her own admission.
  17. Music.Wonder Girls: Yubin after their 2015 comeback.
  18. VideoGame.Cannon Spike: Shiba Shintaro. Also counts for Simone, even when she has rose/pink hair.
  19. VideoGame.Suikoden Tierkreis: Many, many examples: Rizwan, Kureyah, Shams, Nakil... Commented out ZCE
  20. WesternAnimation.Superman Doomsday: Mercy Graves.

Dark Skinned Redhead wick check

    Just dark skin and red hair 
  1. Characters.Baldurs Gate Other Party Members: His sprite without his helmet reveals that he has reddish hair and tan skin.
  2. Characters.Carole And Tuesday: Has tanned skin and red hair.
  3. Characters.Chalk Zone: Has either tan or brown skin and also has short red hair.
  4. Characters.Earth Twenty Seven Greek Pantheon: Demeter is an orange-redhead with tanned skin.
  5. Characters.Earth Twenty Seven The Titans: Has auburn hair and dark skin.
  6. Characters.Fena Pirate Princess: Has long red hair and tanned skin.
  7. Characters.Hyrule Conquest Gerudo: Many Gerudo are redheads, and their skin is relatively dark, fitting their homeland in the desert.
  8. Characters.Jimmy Two Shoes: Under Saffi—She's got red-orange skin.
  9. Characters.The Powerpuff Girls 2016: Under Jemmica —Redheaded and tan.
  10. Characters.The Powerpuff Girls Residents Of Townsville: Has bright orange hair with tan skin.
  11. Characters.Rear Window: Has light, carrot-tinted hair and is very tan.
  12. Characters.Saints Row Saints Row 2 Gangs: He's Ambiguously Brown and has red hair.
  13. Characters.Tales Of Eternia: Reid is noticeably tanned due to the fairly large amount of time he spends outdoors. ...And he has red hair.
  14. Characters.Tripping Over You: It's more auburn, but he's the only one in his family to have a reddish shade in his hair.
  15. Characters.Wapsi Square: While it isn't apparent in the comic itself, due to being in black and white, the color art demonstrates that she fits due to her Mexican and Irish ancestry.
  16. Chocolate Baby: Elphaba's younger sister Nessarose is either the daughter of Melena and her white husband Frexspar or her Dark Skinned Redhead lover Turtle Heart.
  17. Drunken Glow: In The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild, Risa of the brings this up when roleplaying a conversation with a Hylian man. She pretends the guy is turning red from drink and notes that Gerudo don't because they're red already (pothole).
  18. EvilCounterpart.Video Games: Mistral echoes Raiden's mixed heritage, as neither resemble ethnicity of their country of origin, with Raiden a Liberian who's white as snow and Mistral a Dark Skinned Redhead French woman.
  19. Film.Pitch Perfect: Cynthia-Rose is a black woman (who naturally has dark hair) who dyes her hair red.
  20. Fridge.Super Smash Bros Ultimate: Ganondorf is the closest thing Smash Bros has to an Akuma expy. Both are Dark-Skinned Redheads who use dark powers in conjunction with hand-to-hand combat.
  21. Like Father, Unlike Son: "Trevor's son Simon is a noticeably more muscular Dark Skinned Fiery Redhead..."
  22. Headscratchers.Teen Titans 2003: "I like to think Blackfire is Starfire's half-sister and her parent came from a black-haired, human-eyed ethnic group that was beaten by Dark Skinned Red Head Tamareneans and given to as tribute."
  23. HoYay.DC Super Hero Girls 2019: After Diana sticks the landing on her vault and is mobbed by her cheering teammates, one of them (the Dark Skinned Redhead second from the left◊)...
  24. RaceLift.Changing The Minority: Between that film and Scooby-Doo! Mystery Incorporated she was portrayed as White. Mystery Inc undid the race lift and returned her to being a Dark Skinned Redhead.
  25. Sandbox.Critical Role Taldorei Campaign Setting: She has brown skin and curly red hair.
  26. The Ugly Guy's Hot Daughter: Although another possibility could be that Maedhros inherits his father's darker complexion, making him a Dark Skinned Red Head (a fairly common interpretation among fan artists).
  27. WesternAnimation.Transformers Animated: Sari has red hair and dark skin.

     Dark-Skinned Redhead + additional context 
  1. Literature.The Silerian Trilogy: Like most poor Silerians, Mirabar is dark-skinned, but also has bright red hair as a mark of her favor from their goddess (though most people initially believe this means she's a demon).
  2. Manga.King Of Thorn: Ron, the Black guy who didn't die first, gets pink hair as a consequence of his transformation sequence being interrupted. Locked into Strangeness
  3. Characters.RWBY Salems Faction: Under Vermillion Raddock— His tanned skin and bright red hair add to his intimidating and wild character.

    ZCE 
  1. Adventure Time: Minor: The one time her hood is removed we see she has long red hair.
  2. Characters.Bloody Urban: Commented out ZCE
  3. Characters.Dragon Mango: Her coloring. At one point, the trainee Lolita Knight party assumes that since the nearby dragonslayer party is rumored to include one, she must be nearby, since it makes no biological sense and is surely rare.
  4. Characters.Eiyuu Senki The World Conquest: Commented out ZCE
  5. Characters.Etrian Odyssey IV: The alt portrait for one of the male Dancers.
  6. Characters.F Zero GP Legend: Commented out ZCE
  7. Characters.Fate Re Trace: Just the trope's name.
  8. Characters.Jyu Oh Sei: Her skin tone is darker in the manga, but this fits in the anime, too.
  9. Characters.Peak Of Hope: Commented out ZCE
  10. Characters.The Spectral Chronicles: Just the Trope name'
  11. Characters.Super Dimension Fortress Macross:
    • Claudia LaSalle: Depending on the lighting her hair can look either dark brown or red.
    • Exsedol/Exedore Folmo: Original incarnation-only (would later be retconned for the below)
  12. Characters.Survivor One World: Just the Trope
  13. Characters.Titan Legends: Just the trope's name.
  14. Characters.Tower Of God Rankers: A Family trait, as it happens.
  15. Characters.Virtual Distress
    • Robin Tsukada — Commented out ZCE
    • Sumi Yamazaki — Commented out ZCE
  16. Characters.Yu Gi Oh SEVENS Goha Corp: Yukon Goha —Has a slight tan compared to his pale siblings.
  17. ComicBook.Amethyst Princess Of Gemworld: The people of House Citrine.
  18. VideoGame.Harry Potter And The Order Of The Phoenix: One of the student extras who is seen occasionally walking alongs Hogwarts has this trope going on with her.
  19. Wakfu.Tropes D To F: Sadlygrove after his makeover.
  20. Webcomic.Rechargeable: Century
  21. Webcomic.True Villains: Ritania

Edited by GastonRabbit on Nov 5th 2022 at 3:51:16 AM

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#1: Oct 26th 2022 at 7:51:15 AM

To-do list:

Original post:

Note: This thread was proposed by MacronNotes and covers Dark Skinned Blond in addition to Dark Skinned Redhead.

Here's the Trope Talk thread I started a couple of months ago when I was trying to narrow down the scope of both tropes.

Dark Skinned Blond and Dark Skinned Redhead have personality traits and other things associated with them but most people see nothing but the phenotype. I was hard pressed to find anything regarding the listed personality types for both descriptions. The few examples with context seemed more like Ambiguously Brown than anything.

Here's the wick checks for I did for each trope: Sandbox.Dark Skinned Blond Wick Check and Sandbox.Dark Skinned Redhead Wick Check wick checks. Interestingly, I got almost identical ratios for both tropes.

DSB

  • Dark-skinned Blonde: 27 wicks ~~~54%
  • DSB + additional context: 3 wicks~~~6%
  • ZCE: 20 wicks~~~40%

DSR

  • Dark-skinned Redhead: 27 wicks ~~~53%
  • DSR + additional context: 3 wicks~~~6%
  • ZCE: 21 wicks~~~41%

My solution

I think turning both tropes into disambigs + yarding whatever isn't covered by existing tropes is the best course action here.

Disambig targets for Dark Skinned Blond:

Disambig targets for Dark Skinned Redhead:

Dark Skinned Blonde wick check

    open/close all folders 
    Dark Skinned Blond 
  1. Anime.Basquash: Under Cast of Snowflakes— The grungy-looking Idiot Hero Dan, white haired bish Iceman, Ambiguously Brown Miyuki, Dark Skinned Blond Sela...
  2. Saber Marionette R: Canny from the Sexadolls has dark skin and white hair.
  3. Characters.Chronicles Of The Kencyrath Caineron: Under Amberley— Both in parallel and in contrast to Dark Skinned Redhead Brier. They were both born in Kothifir and have dark skin, but still lighter hair.
  4. Characters.Dead Or Alive Xtreme Venus Vacation Under Patty— Has tanned skin and silver hair.
  5. Characters.The Demon Girl Next Door: Under Lilith— Has a light tan and blonde hair. Justified as far as her skin color is concerned, as she's from the Middle East, but not the hair.
  6. Characters.Destructive Harmonics
    • Under Laugh of the Medusa: Musa bleached her hair in those days.
    • Doctor Alaria Ajowan: Commented out ZCE
  7. Characters.Fullmetal Alchemist Scar: As an Ishvalan, he has white hair and dark skin.
  8. Film.Gabriel 2007: Ahriman is a Black man with blond dreadlocks.
  9. Characters.Gintama Kabukicho: Under Jirocho Doromizu—Dark skin and white hair.
  10. Characters.Gunslinger Girl:
    • Under Triela—And it adds to the mysteriousness of her origins. She is, however, decidedly non-ditzy, breaking type a little. Triela originates from Tunisia, lending greater support to mixed ethnicity.
    • Under Speranza Guellfi: Like her genetic mother.
  11. Characters.Helluva Boss: Agent Two is a dark-skinned woman with blond hair.
  12. Characters.How I Met Your Mother Main Characters: Under Ted Mosby— Ted dyed his hair blond in the season 5 finale.
  13. Characters.Jackie Chan Adventures The Dark Hand: Under Valmont— He has platinum blonde hair and tanned skin.
  14. Characters.The King Of Fighters Heroes: Under K—Platinum blonde, specifically. As with his being Ambiguously Brown, it's unknown if this is K''s natural hair color or a result of the experiments performed on him.
  15. Characters.Monster Musume Others
    • Under Octo: Her hair-tentacles are noticeably lighter than her skin.
    • Under Moskii: Gives that impression with her dark skin and white hair.
  16. Characters.Negima Ala Rubra: Under Jack Rakan— He has blond hair and dark skin. It appears people of the Hellas Empire normally have this look.
  17. Characters.Pop N Music Ato C:
    • Under Bianca: She has white hair but it still counts.
    • Under Chara-O: Just the trope's name#Characters.Read Or Die: Under Wendy Earhart—She has dark skin and blond hair.
  18. Characters.Tokyo Afterschool Summoners Three True Guilds And Geniuses: The Three Geniuses — They all possess tanned skin and white hair.
  19. Characters.Zetsubou Robo: Under Staff Sergeant Kevin Howarth— Is mentioned in the book as having dirty blond hair and dark skin, although whether he is black or brown is not specified.
  20. ComicBook.Star Wars Poe Dameron: Karé Kun is a dark-skinned human with short blond hair.
  21. CuteBruiser.Video Games: From the game Star Ocean: Till the End of Time we have the character Peppita Rosetti(pothole), whom, if you take the time to train her a lot, can become stronger than characters like Cliff or Fayt.
  22. Literature.The Moorchild:The Folk are a species of Dark Skinned Blonds; Saaski inherits the appearance, which becomes a point of vicious teasing.
  23. Literature.Spitfire: Feon, with his warm brown skin and pure gold hair.
  24. Manga.Zodiac PI: The Leo sprite has tanned skin and golden hair.
  25. MrFanservice.Western Animation: Riot from Jem is pretty much every 80s rock star stereotype combined into one sexy guy. Even in-series his concerts are majority fangirls. He's a Dark Skinned Blond, long haired man with an attractive singing voice.
  26. ObviouslyEvil.Western Animation: Kaijudo: Rise of the Duel Masters seems to have a liking for playing with this trope. The Choten is a blonde, long-haired guy dressed costume, specialized in Water Creatures, with a rather Affably Evil attitude, while his Dragon, Alakshmi, is a dark-skinned(pothole), white-haired woman with a strong tendencies to Psychotic Smirks and trained in using Darkness Creatures, her favourite being Razorkinder Puppet.
  27. PlayingWith.Lookalike Lovers: One has Raven Hair, Ivory Skin, the other is Dark Skinned Blond.

    Dark Skinned Blond + additional context 
  1. Characters.Better Call Saul.Howard Hamlin: Has light blond hair and a perma-tan, which In-Universe is implied to be from regular sun bed use, as well as being involved in outdoor athletics based on the photos of him at his funeral reception (in Real Life Patrick Fabian is a keen surfer and most of the photos used in "Fun and Games" come from his Instagram account).
  2. Characters.Fate Grand Order Archers D To M: EMIYA—His skin tanned and his hair bleached as a result of his constant overuse of Projection magecraft. Or, alternatively as the UBW anime implies, it's because of his contract with Alaya. Locked into Strangeness
  3. Sandbox.Characters Apollo Justice Ace Attorney Under Kristoph— It gives him a foreign flavor in the original Japanese, and it's part of why he's German in the American version. Doubles as Truth in Television: Phoenix notes that Europe is "progressive" and that it's possible to become a lawyer at a much younger age than in the United States. This is actually true (although 17 is stretching it; the youngest as of 2013 is 18). I guess? Everything after the first sentence seems to be irrelevant to the trope though.

    ZCE 
  1. Anime.Rio Rainbow Gate: Linda. Commented out ZCE.
  2. Characters.Case Closed People From Notable Cases: People from the Seance's Double Locked Mystery Room Case— Mifune.
  3. Characters.Dangerously Chloe: Under Sergeant Ilsa Slash-Stab— The comic's shading suggests this to be the case.
  4. Characters.Fate Hollow Ataraxia: Under Archer—Though it's not natural.
  5. Characters.The Gifting Spirit: Rythis Windfall— Commented out ZCE
  6. Characters.Gumby: Goo—If deep blue skin counts as dark?
  7. Characters.Natural Selection:Beros Goyle—Gamagoori described her appearance as such.
  8. Characters.Red River 1995: Two commented out ZC Es
  9. Characters.The Shadows That Run Alongside Our Car: Under Dustin—His race is never disclosed or even implied, but he certainly matches this trope.
  10. Characters.Star Ocean 1: Under Dorne Murtough— Commented out ZCE
  11. Characters.Trauma Center: Under Elena Salazar—Commented out ZCE
  12. Characters.Walking City OCT: Under Catharine "Cat" and Princess Snow—Cat.
  13. Characters.Young Justice 2010 Justice League: Under Aqualad— And issue 14 of the tie in comics show that he gets it from his mom◊ (who amusingly enough kind of looks like Beyoncé)
  14. ComicBook.Forgotten Realms: Vartan.
  15. Literature.Witches Abroad: Ella, though it's noted this isn't an unusual arrangement in Genua.
  16. Music.Julia Nunes: In the summer, by her own admission.
  17. Music.Wonder Girls: Yubin after their 2015 comeback.
  18. VideoGame.Cannon Spike: Shiba Shintaro. Also counts for Simone, even when she has rose/pink hair.
  19. VideoGame.Suikoden Tierkreis: Many, many examples: Rizwan, Kureyah, Shams, Nakil... Commented out ZCE
  20. WesternAnimation.Superman Doomsday: Mercy Graves.

Dark Skinned Redhead wick check

    Just dark skin and red hair 
  1. Characters.Baldurs Gate Other Party Members: His sprite without his helmet reveals that he has reddish hair and tan skin.
  2. Characters.Carole And Tuesday: Has tanned skin and red hair.
  3. Characters.Chalk Zone: Has either tan or brown skin and also has short red hair.
  4. Characters.Earth Twenty Seven Greek Pantheon: Demeter is an orange-redhead with tanned skin.
  5. Characters.Earth Twenty Seven The Titans: Has auburn hair and dark skin.
  6. Characters.Fena Pirate Princess: Has long red hair and tanned skin.
  7. Characters.Hyrule Conquest Gerudo: Many Gerudo are redheads, and their skin is relatively dark, fitting their homeland in the desert.
  8. Characters.Jimmy Two Shoes: Under Saffi—She's got red-orange skin.
  9. Characters.The Powerpuff Girls 2016: Under Jemmica —Redheaded and tan.
  10. Characters.The Powerpuff Girls Residents Of Townsville: Has bright orange hair with tan skin.
  11. Characters.Rear Window: Has light, carrot-tinted hair and is very tan.
  12. Characters.Saints Row Saints Row 2 Gangs: He's Ambiguously Brown and has red hair.
  13. Characters.Tales Of Eternia: Reid is noticeably tanned due to the fairly large amount of time he spends outdoors. ...And he has red hair.
  14. Characters.Tripping Over You: It's more auburn, but he's the only one in his family to have a reddish shade in his hair.
  15. Characters.Wapsi Square: While it isn't apparent in the comic itself, due to being in black and white, the color art demonstrates that she fits due to her Mexican and Irish ancestry.
  16. Chocolate Baby: Elphaba's younger sister Nessarose is either the daughter of Melena and her white husband Frexspar or her Dark Skinned Redhead lover Turtle Heart.
  17. Drunken Glow: In The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild, Risa of the brings this up when roleplaying a conversation with a Hylian man. She pretends the guy is turning red from drink and notes that Gerudo don't because they're red already (pothole).
  18. EvilCounterpart.Video Games: Mistral echoes Raiden's mixed heritage, as neither resemble ethnicity of their country of origin, with Raiden a Liberian who's white as snow and Mistral a Dark Skinned Redhead French woman.
  19. Film.Pitch Perfect: Cynthia-Rose is a black woman (who naturally has dark hair) who dyes her hair red.
  20. Fridge.Super Smash Bros Ultimate: Ganondorf is the closest thing Smash Bros has to an Akuma expy. Both are Dark-Skinned Redheads who use dark powers in conjunction with hand-to-hand combat.
  21. Like Father, Unlike Son: "Trevor's son Simon is a noticeably more muscular Dark Skinned Fiery Redhead..."
  22. Headscratchers.Teen Titans 2003: "I like to think Blackfire is Starfire's half-sister and her parent came from a black-haired, human-eyed ethnic group that was beaten by Dark Skinned Red Head Tamareneans and given to as tribute."
  23. HoYay.DC Super Hero Girls 2019: After Diana sticks the landing on her vault and is mobbed by her cheering teammates, one of them (the Dark Skinned Redhead second from the left◊)...
  24. RaceLift.Changing The Minority: Between that film and Scooby-Doo! Mystery Incorporated she was portrayed as White. Mystery Inc undid the race lift and returned her to being a Dark Skinned Redhead.
  25. Sandbox.Critical Role Taldorei Campaign Setting: She has brown skin and curly red hair.
  26. The Ugly Guy's Hot Daughter: Although another possibility could be that Maedhros inherits his father's darker complexion, making him a Dark Skinned Red Head (a fairly common interpretation among fan artists).
  27. WesternAnimation.Transformers Animated: Sari has red hair and dark skin.

     Dark-Skinned Redhead + additional context 
  1. Literature.The Silerian Trilogy: Like most poor Silerians, Mirabar is dark-skinned, but also has bright red hair as a mark of her favor from their goddess (though most people initially believe this means she's a demon).
  2. Manga.King Of Thorn: Ron, the Black guy who didn't die first, gets pink hair as a consequence of his transformation sequence being interrupted. Locked into Strangeness
  3. Characters.RWBY Salems Faction: Under Vermillion Raddock— His tanned skin and bright red hair add to his intimidating and wild character.

    ZCE 
  1. Adventure Time: Minor: The one time her hood is removed we see she has long red hair.
  2. Characters.Bloody Urban: Commented out ZCE
  3. Characters.Dragon Mango: Her coloring. At one point, the trainee Lolita Knight party assumes that since the nearby dragonslayer party is rumored to include one, she must be nearby, since it makes no biological sense and is surely rare.
  4. Characters.Eiyuu Senki The World Conquest: Commented out ZCE
  5. Characters.Etrian Odyssey IV: The alt portrait for one of the male Dancers.
  6. Characters.F Zero GP Legend: Commented out ZCE
  7. Characters.Fate Re Trace: Just the trope's name.
  8. Characters.Jyu Oh Sei: Her skin tone is darker in the manga, but this fits in the anime, too.
  9. Characters.Peak Of Hope: Commented out ZCE
  10. Characters.The Spectral Chronicles: Just the Trope name'
  11. Characters.Super Dimension Fortress Macross:
    • Claudia LaSalle: Depending on the lighting her hair can look either dark brown or red.
    • Exsedol/Exedore Folmo: Original incarnation-only (would later be retconned for the below)
  12. Characters.Survivor One World: Just the Trope
  13. Characters.Titan Legends: Just the trope's name.
  14. Characters.Tower Of God Rankers: A Family trait, as it happens.
  15. Characters.Virtual Distress
    • Robin Tsukada — Commented out ZCE
    • Sumi Yamazaki — Commented out ZCE
  16. Characters.Yu Gi Oh SEVENS Goha Corp: Yukon Goha —Has a slight tan compared to his pale siblings.
  17. ComicBook.Amethyst Princess Of Gemworld: The people of House Citrine.
  18. VideoGame.Harry Potter And The Order Of The Phoenix: One of the student extras who is seen occasionally walking alongs Hogwarts has this trope going on with her.
  19. Wakfu.Tropes D To F: Sadlygrove after his makeover.
  20. Webcomic.Rechargeable: Century
  21. Webcomic.True Villains: Ritania

Edited by GastonRabbit on Nov 5th 2022 at 3:51:16 AM

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#2: Oct 26th 2022 at 7:51:58 AM

Paging ~MacronNotes to the thread.

Anyway, disambiguating sounds good.

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Adept (Holding A Herring) Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#3: Oct 26th 2022 at 7:58:59 AM

I don't really like the disambigs, since they're nearly identical lists. Maybe just redirect both to Ambiguously Brown, since a dark-skinned blond/redhead doesn't really correspond to any common phenotype that people know of anyway?

Edited by Adept on Oct 26th 2022 at 10:02:33 PM

MacronNotes (she/her) (Captain) Relationship Status: Less than three
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#4: Oct 26th 2022 at 8:01:55 AM

I mean I don't have an issue with it but since the last time I proposed that with Tights Under Shorts and Skirt Over Slacks and people voted against it.

As for the Ambiguously Brown redirect idea, I still prefer disambiguating. Plenty of examples for DSB and DSR have defined ethnicities.

Edited by MacronNotes on Oct 26th 2022 at 11:04:33 AM

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amathieu13 Since: Aug, 2013
#5: Oct 26th 2022 at 8:09:19 AM

[up][up] I actually knew a girl growing up who was black with naturally red hair. Genetics are a trip.

In this case, I also prefer the redirect to Ambiguously Brown over disambig (both of these seem like they were created with anime/manga in mind and that's typically what these characters are in that context), but either option is fine

Edited by amathieu13 on Oct 26th 2022 at 11:10:18 AM

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#6: Oct 26th 2022 at 8:09:29 AM

[up][up]But either way, it won't be a trope anymore, so does it matter? The examples will be gone regardless.

[up]Which is why I said that it's not a "common phenotype that people know of" rather than "not a phenotype that exists IRL". tongue

ETA: [nja]

Edited by Adept on Oct 26th 2022 at 10:11:23 PM

MacronNotes (she/her) (Captain) Relationship Status: Less than three
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#7: Oct 26th 2022 at 8:13:11 AM

Eh, I prefer not link non tropes to actual tropes because I think it encourages misuse and I don't want people to move wicks to Dark Skinned Redhead and Dark Skinned Blonde where it doesn't apply. I won't fight it if people want to redirect it.

Edited by MacronNotes on Oct 26th 2022 at 11:16:08 AM

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GastonRabbit Sounds good on paper (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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#8: Oct 26th 2022 at 8:21:30 AM

Well, I was already planning to have the crowner set up like the one for Tights Under Shorts and Skirt Over Slacks when we get around to that part (one option for disambiguating both, two options for disambiguating one and turning the other into a redirect with the two being in opposite directions, and, in this thread's case, options for redirecting, which wasn't present with Tights Under Shorts and Skirt Over Slacks)

Edit: Actually, maybe four additional options for disambiguating one and turning the other into a redirect, but with the redirects' targets being either Ambiguously Brown or Phenotype Stereotype instead of the disambiguation page, plus one option for redirecting both to Ambiguously Brown and another for redirecting both to Phenotype Stereotype. Of course, I didn't get much sleep, so we have plenty of time to fix any oversights. I'm really only spitballing now to prevent the sort of mistakes made with Black Sheep's thread.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Oct 26th 2022 at 10:30:02 AM

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#9: Oct 26th 2022 at 8:47:52 AM

Refining my opinion on the Trope Talk thread: Both are using rare skin/hair combinations to create a striking look. That is definitely a creative decision, especially when they put wigs on performers of color, but not one necessarily done with narrative intent other than “looks cool” (I cited Rihanna as someone who favored this look).

House of the Dragon made the brown skin and white hair combination intentional (since the family was racelifted to black and the actors were wearing white wigs) AND plot relevant (it’s part of a Chocolate Baby plotline), which is more than most examples can say: but the same universe has done similar things with other non-Dark Skinned Blond phenotypes. So ultimately, it's still "looks cool".

I’ll agree with a disambiguation for both.

Edited by Synchronicity on Oct 26th 2022 at 11:38:13 AM

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#10: Oct 26th 2022 at 9:12:04 AM

[up]That might be worth Yarding since the current state of "this character has a combination of this hair color and this skin color" can't be used for it because the current examples don't give a reason for why the combinations were chosen (such as if it was due to Rule of Cool, etc.).

I'm kind of reminded of how both Heroic Albino and Evil Albino were just "this character has white hair and red eyes plus a specific moral alignment" and were redirected to Albinos Are Freaks after it was launched to cover cases of discrimination against actual albinos instead of just being about any character with a specific hair color and eye color.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Oct 26th 2022 at 11:16:06 AM

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#11: Oct 26th 2022 at 9:13:28 AM

[tup] Double dismbig. Dismble Doubig?

Of course, not having similar disambigs would be better, but I can't come up with the order.

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#12: Oct 26th 2022 at 9:16:42 AM

[tup] Disambig for both

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#13: Oct 26th 2022 at 11:25:00 AM

Disambig for both

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MadAboutLove97 Since: Jul, 2019 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
#14: Oct 26th 2022 at 11:36:41 AM

Disambig for both.

Also I think the description for both should be "Having dark skin and red/blonde hair isn't tropeworthy on its own".

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What, me worry?
#15: Oct 26th 2022 at 11:40:25 AM

[tup] dismbig

Berrenta How sweet it is from Texas Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
How sweet it is
#16: Oct 26th 2022 at 2:00:45 PM

Dosambig both. [tup]

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#17: Oct 26th 2022 at 2:54:24 PM

What about redirecting them to Implausible Hair Color?

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#18: Oct 26th 2022 at 3:07:22 PM

The examples don't say if the hair color is genetic, artificial, or even implausible within the setting (eg. Game of Thrones/House of the Dragon runs on People of Hair Color rules, not real life genetic rules. Ariel on The Little Mermaid (2023) is a mermaid.). It's a good disambig target though.

Edited by Synchronicity on Oct 26th 2022 at 5:08:01 AM

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#19: Oct 26th 2022 at 6:41:10 PM

[up]I agree. The examples that simply mention the hair color without the reason for it are in the same boat as the examples that got You Gotta Have Blue Hair deprecated (which didn't distinguish between characters naturally having hair colors that are impossible in real life or characters who simply dyed their hair).

Edited by GastonRabbit on Oct 26th 2022 at 8:45:17 AM

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ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
#20: Oct 28th 2022 at 11:56:14 AM

Disambiguate, maybe yard the intended personality aspect

GastonRabbit MOD Sounds good on paper (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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#21: Oct 29th 2022 at 12:26:29 AM

Hooked a crowner for the various disambiguation and redirection options. Did I miss anything? The crowner's kind of long, so I'm not sure if I did.

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MacronNotes (she/her) (Captain) Relationship Status: Less than three
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#22: Oct 31st 2022 at 10:21:03 AM

I cut both wick check sandboxes and transferred their contents into the OP.

Edited by MacronNotes on Oct 31st 2022 at 2:03:50 PM

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#23: Oct 31st 2022 at 10:26:49 AM

Downvoting Phenotype Stereotype because the point of the OP is that there are no stereotypes associated with this phenotype in the examples smile

Edited by Synchronicity on Oct 31st 2022 at 12:26:59 PM

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#24: Nov 1st 2022 at 2:53:18 AM

Disambiguating both is the only option with consensus, so let's go ahead and do that.

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GastonRabbit Sounds good on paper (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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#25: Nov 1st 2022 at 3:09:50 AM

And they've been disambiguated and de-indexed, and their subpages (Laconic, etc.) have been cut. I pinned a to-do list.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Nov 1st 2022 at 5:10:00 AM

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Trope Repair Shop: Dark-Skinned Redhead and Dark-Skinned Blond
29th Oct '22 12:21:46 AM

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Dark Skinned Redhead and Dark Skinned Blond examples rarely have any meaning and deprecating them has been suggested as a solution. What should be done with them?

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