Opened for discussion.
she/her | TRS needs your help! | Contributor of Trope ReportHonestly, I wouldn't oppose just making this book-specific and moving other examples to tropes like Chest Monster and Animate Inanimate Object.
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure PurenessHow about splitting it into this and a new trope “Hostile Inanimate Object”
Why waste time when you can see the last sunset last?A comparatively small number of examples (fewer than 10) are about Hostile Inanimate Objects. That's not enough for a split.
Kirby: Triple Deluxe has a course reminiscent of Big Boo's Haunt in Super Mario 64, complete with books that attack the player and even a piano that bite.
https://wikirby.com/wiki/Wild_World_-_Stage_3
There should be enough now to create the Hostile Inanimate Object trope.
Edited by Nen_desharu on Oct 14th 2021 at 7:48:35 AM
Kirby is awesome.Why are books important? Is it because they're usually evil Spell Books?
Disambig Needed: Help with those issues! tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13324299140A37493800&page=24#comment-576Yes, the most common use of the trope is Garnishing the Story by giving an evil Spell Book or Tome of Eldritch Lore a behavior to match the expectations.
Time is subjective.Because nothing says "it's evil" more than the fact that it wants to maim you at the first opportunity, or ruin your life in some other way, rather than being just a repository of forbidden knowledge. And the non-evil examples are either animated by Wild Magic, haunted, or Self-Demonstrating (such as the Monstrous Book of Monsters that is a monster itself).
Time is subjective., That's very good description if we split/narrow an Evil Animate Book trope.
Plus, books already kinda look and move like mouths. Just tip them sideways.
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure PurenessAgreed with the reasoning. This seems fine with being book-specific.
Currently mostly inactive. An incremental game I tested: https://galaxy.click/play/176 (Gods of Incremental)Yeah, I see a distinction in evil books vs. other evil objects. I'm on team "split" so far.
As for "Hostile Inanimate Object", is it really that worthy of being separated from the other similar tropes, Animate Inanimate Object and Chest Monster?
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure PurenessI like the idea of malicious mouthlike books, that's definitely a thing.
I don't think is splitworthy so far however.
Edited by Synchronicity on Oct 15th 2021 at 12:59:40 PM
Same here, except I don't see a problem with allowing evil books in general, as opposed to books that literally bite. (I'm not sure if you hold the same opinion, so I wrote this as an addendum.)
The Castlevania: Symphony of the Night example that came up in the wick check's second folder (evil books that don't bite) came to mind when I thought to write this. They look like ordinary books aside from the fact that they try to attack the player.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Oct 15th 2021 at 2:06:49 PM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.I think Evil Books in general are fine, too. I almost wrote a second paragraph to clarify that and then halfway through writing it I decided not to save the edit.
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure PurenessAgree with making this book only and moving the non-book examples over to the already existing pages. don't agree with making a wholly new trope for the non-book examples.
Edited by amathieu13 on Oct 16th 2021 at 9:39:29 AM
Why do they need to be evil? FFXIV has a chatty book with teeth named Principia who helps teach you Summoning.◊
Rename + narrow + cleanup.
By the way, the logic about books looking like mouths from 11 is also applicable to chests. Explains in part why that trope exists.
I'd like to apologize for all this.- Why do they even have teeth? That just looks really threatening?
Edited by Malady on Oct 16th 2021 at 8:02:46 AM
Disambig Needed: Help with those issues! tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13324299140A37493800&page=24#comment-576I'd actually be fine with allowing non-evil examples.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.Same. In the Harry Potter series there are enchanted schoolbooks with mouths that aren't evil, just kind of dangerous if not handled properly. Otherwise they follow the idea of this.
I think "the books are potentially dangerous" is a much cleaner qualifier than "is evil."
Edited by Karxrida on Oct 16th 2021 at 2:57:25 AM
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?Alright, seems like we have a general idea about what needs to be done. Let's start the crowner, shall we?
Time is subjective.Hooked!
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Crown Description:
Books That Bite is often misinterpreted as referring to animate books only, despite having a much broader definition covering any troublesome animate object. What should be done to deal with this problem?
Books That Bite is meant to be not just about aggressive animate books, but any troublesome Animate Inanimate Object in general, however given the on-page flavor and Literal-Minded tendencies regarding the name, most of the time it gets used only for animate books anyway, biting or otherwise.
After digging through the edit history, I realized it was used this way since the very beginning, and is a very old trope indeed, existing before the edit history started being logged in 2010, so the page creation itself wasn't there, but the short description back then was a shorthand for the current one, with most examples being books anyway. What I also found of note is that the laconic version was redefined from "books assault you physically" to just "troublesome sentient objects", so the ambiguity was present even there.
Here is the wick check, summing up both on-page examples and external wicks. As the criterion I've chosen whether the examples are about actual books or troublesome Animate Inanimate Objects in general, and whether the biting is literal or a metaphor for any unwanted and potentially harmful behavior.
The Cameo: A virtual replica of Wheatley, Zora Eggs, various pictures of "Starmen" as well as one of a busty, red-haired maid, a pink shell house on a floor known as Locria's Level, and books that gain teeth and attack people.
One on several seemingly sentient books of ancient lore left among the Spire's ruins. Unlike others that you can encounter, the Book of Stabbing has no interest in trying to drive you to madness with its knowledge. No, it just wants to stab you. A lot.
Books That Bite: A much more actively hostile example than most, as just encountering it is enough to earn its wrath, and it won't rest until either you or it are dead.
Everything Trying to Kill You: Animals, stop signs, hippies, robots, animate cups of coffee, and a hundred other weird monsters, including those goddamn exploding trees! Doesn't mention actual books.