To-do list
- Turn Gainaxing into a definition only page and redirect Misty May into it. Cleanup is being tracked via Gainaxing Wick Cleaning.
Gainaxing is one of the oldest tropes on the site, being launched way back before June 2007 (the earliest date given for any trope page is June 14th, 2007, apparently. Gilligan Cut, the oldest trope page on the site, gets the same creation date), and it has all the baggage you can expect from a trope that old. The name is bad, relying on an anime fandom meme for a now largely defunct company that was coined almost thirty years ago, but that doesn't seem to have affected the growth. However, Big Bouncy Wick Check showed that the trope is a magnet for ZC Es and examples of "breasts bounce" without any meaning. Not helping is that the description doesn't really offer any possible meaning to the trope. Misty May is a closely tied YMMV concept that has zero links from YMMV pages, and falls under not thriving regardless (18 wicks). It's also a weird concept (one full breast bounce = one misty may) that doesn't seem like a trope, ymmv or anything at all that fits on mission.
Specific numbers:
- Linked within example, apparently played for fanservice 5/ 64 7.8%
- Linked within example, not enough context about this trope 7/ 64 10.9%
- Focused on jiggling and/or bouncing without any other context to what the trope means 17/ 64 26.5%
- ZCE (includes examples that apparently expect you to know what gainaxing is before reading the trope example) 22/ 64 34.3%
- Played for fanservice, enough context 1/ 64 1.5%
- Linked in quote, not enough context 1/ 64 1.5%
- Doesn't refer to breast bounce 1/ 64 1.5%
- Played for fanservice, not enough context 1/ 64 1.5%
- Played for laughs, seems like enough context 2/ 64 3.1%
- Author Appeal 1/ 64 1.5%
- Something other than breasts jiggling 1/ 64 1.5%
- Weblink as example 1/ 64 1.5%
- Other 4/ 64 7.8%
Based on the above, Gainaxing desperately needs some sort of help.
I have three proposals in mind for this trope:
- Redefine and rename to focus on the fanservice aspect
- Split between two tropes. One for fanservice focused boob bounce and the other for comedy focused boob bounce
- Disambiguate between other boob focused tropes.
My preference would be number 2, because it covers the most bases and the concept behind it being used for comedy or fanservice seems tropable (though not under one umbrella), but no matter what, it can't stay like it is.
For the record, the definitions I'm thinking of:
- Fanservice focused: the breasts receive camera focus as they bounce or one or more characters stare at or call attention to the bouncing chest (including, in the latter case, the owner of the bouncing boobs herself)
- Comedy focused: the bouncing boobs cause comedic issues (like knocking something down) or receive comedic reactions from other characters (like a snarky response, like those included in the wick check, or comical overreaction (for example, Blanc getting angry at Vert's bouncing boobs in Hyperdimension Neptunia Rebirth 1 and trying to cut them off, which is played for laughs).
As to Misty May, I say cut it and be done with it. It doesn't really fit anywhere and comes off as mildly creepy to me.
Wick check:
Wick check for Gainaxing- (Sexy Secretary) The Suicide Squad. Camila—President Luna and later Suarez's assistant—is seen for only like a total of 5 seconds, but even in that miniscule amount of screen time, we can see that her defining characteristics are her massive tits that bounce all over the place.
- (Theiss Titillation Theory) Endless Frontier:
- The game's leading lady, one HRH Kaguya Nanbu, has huge tracts of land stuffed into a microdress held on by the cruelty of the Universe. She has an extremely acrobatic fighting style, which results in, uh, earthquakes, in keeping with the metaphor, but never a wardrobe malfunction. Whoever enchanted that thing deserves either a medal or to be hanged, depending on your perspective.
- (Raw Deal (1986)) Show Some Leg: A mobster is sitting in his car, gaping at the sight of a female jogger Gainaxing towards him. She leans down with a big smile, sticks a gun in his face and suggests he go tell the drug house he's guarding that he needs to take a leak. With the sentry taken care of, a squad of detectives pull a crash-bang-gotcha on the occupants.
- (Sol Trigger) Fanservice: From Gainaxing by Ema and Sophie as well as Wilma and some from post-timeskip Cyril to Fran and Sophie's as well as Wilma Stripperific choice of clothing to shots of half-naked characters being revived in the Sol pool.
- (Super Robot Wars) Fanservice:
- Gainaxing: Holy crap, particularly whenever an original female character has a Super Move Portrait Attack. Some of them get so ridiculous you'd think their chest has its own gravity field. Latter games tried to tone this down, however, with the bounciness being reduced to a more respectable levels for the mainline games. The newer handheld games like X-Ω and DD still goes more all out, though. Borderline between this folder and the one below
- (World of Buxom) Divergence Eve: Despite being very dramatic and nearly devoid of comedy or mention of them, the entire female cast (with the exception of the flat-chested android) have very large breasts that begin Gainaxing with every turn.
- (FLCL) Unusual Euphemism: A number of fans think of the title of the show as one — either as a mispronunciation of "Furry Curry" or as the onomatopoeia of bouncing breasts. Also a YMMV entry masquerading as an objective example.
- (D-Frag! 1/2) Accidental Pervert: Twice towards Takao and her Gag Boobs — in Chapter 6/Episode 3, Roka shoves her in jealousy for trying to come closer to Kenji (only to be rebuffed by his spiky hair), causing him to turn around and get a faceful; and in Chapter 9/Episode 4, the first thing he sees upon exiting the clubroom is her Gainaxing while jumping up and down trying to remove the "True Game Development Club" poster hung over his clubroom after winning the School Festival contest against Takao's Game Development Club.
- (Anime & Manga) In Macross Frontier, Ranka Lee enters the Miss Macross competition and suffers a case of A-Cup Angst as several other contestants bully their way past her with copious amounts of Gainaxing. Ranka's best friend Nanase tries to reassure her by telling her that size doesn't matter and cue Nanase's own Gainaxing because she's the most well-endowed woman on the entire show. More so than those contestants even.
- (Sanity Not Included 2/2) Gag Boobs: Nina, as per Gainaxing above.
- (Batman: The Brave and the Bold 1/2) Does This Remind You of Anything?: In the prologue before "Chill of the Night!" featuring Bats teaming with Zatanna, they take on the evil master magician Abra Cadabra. He battles Zatanna, and in order to keep her from verbalizing her spells, gags her, and then promptly does the old scarves-down-the-throat gag... which lasts curiously long and looks, well...◊
- Doesn't help that she's Gainaxing.
- (Bunny Maloney) Jiggle Physics: Applies to the women's breasts and Débilouman's nose.
- (Seven Mortal Sins) Gainaxing:
- At one point during the Beach Episode, Lucifer's breasts bounce wildly when she calmly turns aside. What's more impressive is that her no-no bits remained covered, despite the fact that if her bikini isn't tight enough to prevent such a movement in first place then it shouldn't be able to prevent her breast from slipping off either.
- This trope is the bread and butter of the X-TASY mobile game, as the character models - both the full portrait seen on the menu and cutscenes and the chibi version used for battles - are animated with heavy usage of Jiggle Physics so that the breasts are always bouncy.
- (Valkyrie Drive: Mermaid) Gainaxing:
- Even when they're not moving that much, there's quite the bounce to a lot of characters' breasts.
- Charlotte's breasts almost bounce out of her top just by walking.
- (Bleach: Thirteen Court Guard Squads 8-13) Gainaxing: Twice. The first was at the end of the Soul Society arc, when Hitsugaya scares her so much her chest almost flies out of her top. The second instance was in the Beach Episode, where she yells at Hitsugaya for not partying with everyone else.
- (Clue) Gainaxing: A rare live-action example — her first scene shows her breasts visibly bobbling as she dusts a room.
- (D-Frag! 2/2) Gainaxing: ...and in the anime they're quite prone to bouncing and squishing. That is relies on the example above it is not a point in its favor
- (Dungeon of the Endless) Gainaxing: Her breasts bounce noticeably in her idle animation.
- (Fairy Fencer F 1/3) Gainaxing: Among the Fencer girls, she clearly has the largest and bounciest breasts. Several of her animations not-so-subtly make her breasts bounce as well.
- (Fairy Fencer F 2/3) Gainaxing: Her well-endowed chest can be seen bouncing near the end of her Ulimate attack.
- (Fairy Fencer F 3/3) Gainaxing: The opening video for Refrain Chord shows her well-endowed chest bouncing.
- (X-Men Origins: Wolverine) Gainaxing: We have Emma Frost's slow-motion bouncing near the end before the helicopter.
- (He Is My Master) Gainaxing: Every now and then, Izumi's breasts bounce around while she's running.
- (Digimon Adventure 02 E 36 Steel Angel Shakkoumon) Gainaxing: It's subtle, but as Arukenimon angrily gets up to snap at Tapirmon, her chest jiggles.
- (Conker's Bad Fur Day) Gainaxing: The sunflower's and Jugga's jiggling breasts, and probably, the latter's name is a pun of that.
- (Trials of Mana) Gainaxing: Female characters in the remake have a little bit of bounce if they're showing cleavage (especially Angela). And so does Sylphid. Just enough context to end up here
- (X-Men: Children of the Atom) Gainaxing: Psylocke's breasts are drawn to bounce or droop depending on her posture and actions.
- (The iDOLM@STER) Gainaxing: Zigzagged in Episode 10 between Azusa and Takane. Found commented out
- (Arknights Guards A To M) Gainaxing: Her chibi has this unlike any other operators in the game.
- (Beware Thebatman 1/3) Gainaxing: Subtle, but noticeable.
- (Beware the Batman 3/3) Gainaxing: Subtle, but it's there.
- (Endless Frontier) Gainaxing: Seen often during her Super Move Portrait Attacks.
- (No More Heroes) Gainaxing: Desperate Struggle dramatically increasing her bust also led to a noticeable use of this.
- (Transformers Alter Verse The Seraphims) Gainaxing: Played with. Applies to the female Seraphim characters of this story (both main and supporting), especially the more well-endowed ones.
- (Unchained Blades 1/2) Gainaxing: Lapis has a sprite that has her bounce in... more ways than one.
- (Unchained Blades 2/2) Gainaxing: On her animated sprites showing her drawing her sword.
- (Mayo Chiki) Gainaxing Found commented out
- (Sword Art Online) Gainaxing: Though the anime is tame with Fanservice in relation to many others, there's still a bit of artistic mammary license seen on Sakuya and Leafa.
- (Mahoromatic) Gainaxing: In abundance. This is made by Gainax after all.
- (Digimon Tamers) After the Final Battle in Runaway Locomon one of the shots involve Sakuyamon being freed from the swamp of Combat Tentacles, or, rather, a close-up of her Breast Plate and the solitary Gainax of her chest as she's released.
- (Toumei Shoujo Ea) Gainaxing: The end credits feature a scene of Ea running towards the camera. Since she's naked this is pretty inevitable.
- (Agarest Senki 2) Gainaxing: Oh boy. Notable for the fact that even just a simple sentence, somehow the women must move their avatars just so they can get their point across complete with Gainaxing.
- (M.U.G.E.N Gainaxing:
- Despite not bouncing at all in the actual Street Fighter games, Warusaki3's Rainbow Mika does this.
- There is also one of the trope namers for M.U.G.E.N: Kabao & Warusaki3's Yoko Littner from TTGL.
- Mugen has an entire community dedicated to NSFW characters that are simply this in a nutshell, albeit typically nude.
- (Vanguard Princess) Gainaxing: Every girl that's a bust size higher than a A-cup. Found commented out
- (Sanity Not Included 1/2) Gainaxing: Nina and Amanda are almost always bouncing around with nary a care.
- (Batman: The Brave and the Bold) Gainaxing: Zatanna in "Chill of the Night!"
- (Tropes I to P) Pec Flex: A non-comical version at the end of Descent where Guts is fighting ghosts in the field, he jumps to attack and his pecs gainax upon landing. Serious a scene as it as, the display did not disappoint. Put here because it seemed the best fit, even if I don't know whether it was intentional. Also, that it assumes the trope is usually played for comedy is telling...
- (Things Mr. Welch Is No Longer Allowed to Do in an RPG) All Men Are Perverts:
695. Buying the Elf Babe a trampoline and telling her it boosts her Dexterity isn't fooling anybody.
- (Beware the Batman 2/3) Ms. Fanservice: She sports a tight, midriff-bearing, Gainax-approved outfit.
- (Dislyte: Esper Union) Gainaxing: Her animations do a fair bit of this to show off her large chest.
- (Anime & Manga) When Yuriko says she's gotten bigger in episode 6 of Kotoura-san and bounces her breasts in front of Dai'chi, he nonchalantly says that she must have gotten fatter.
- (hololive Indonesia) Ollie returns from a break and mentions that she's gained weight. She then reveals her buxom overlay and it can bounce. It can also bounce faster — so fast that it "flies off".
- (Strong Drinks) James Bond drinks vodka martinis, "shaken, not stirred."
- Ian Fleming explained this preference by noting that it really only mattered if the bartender were female. Shake it!
- (Plus-Sized Elf) Gainaxing: It's a common trait this manga has. All the Mon-Girls have certain parts, mostly their stomachs, that jiggle to display their weight issues.
- (Skin Horse) Gainaxing: Not that you see it, but Nick apparently knows the term.
- (Anagram Bin 1/2) Public Bathhouse Scene
- (Anagram Bin 2/2) Castlevania: Judgment
- (Real Life) Studio Gainax
- DeadOrAlive Considering how Kasumi is now a guest star in Razor's Edge, and perfectly capable of committing the same bloodletting violence as Ryu and Ayane, this Troper thinks it's some Foreshadowing that DOA6 will have scenes that are Bloodier and Gorier to match. Granted, there probably won't be any fatalities in any in-game matches, but the story mode can easily escalate in serious violence and drama onscreen, especially towards the climax. Bonus points if the other, non-ninja fighters get caught up in the whole mess in the worst way possible...
- Surprisingly, Confirmed! What little has been seen of Dead or Alive 6 proves that it is already establishing itself as Bloodier and Gorier (albeit in a Downplayed sense, in that the worst shown (so far) is fighters sending blood flying with their hits, usually ending matches with visible bruising on their faces (subverting Beauty Is Never Tarnished), and that some characters (namely the ninjas like Kasumi, Ryu and Hayate) use various weapons in addition to their martial arts), and that the tone is more "serious" than the previous games, including downplaying the sex appeal from "cartoonishly exaggerated" to "still attractive, but won't be for long in a full-on fight". Of course, this all depends on whether or not Team Ninja doesn't roll back these changes in the wake of an outcry from the fans like they did LAST TIME with their "I'm A Fighter" campaign in Dead Or Alive 5, so take it with a grain of salt... Here because it doesn't fit anywhere else
Edited by GastonRabbit on Nov 28th 2022 at 3:49:57 AM
"Unrealistic movement of breasts" for fanservice or humor seems like a trope worthy concept and is definitely a popular thing in animation, not just a fan-term. Gainaxing is a bad name, but renaming it to something like Bizzare Bouncing Breast or Unrealistic Breast Jiggle would make it more clear what the trope is and prevent ZCE.
Misty May on the other hand does seem meaningless and I don't oppose to just cutting it or turning it into Fanspeak.
How is animating them meaningfully different than Jiggle Show, which already attracts animated examples?
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.Jiggle Show description makes it specifically about a trend in time where producers would have live-action characters wearing no bras and doing actions so as to cause their breasts to bounce. It doesn't mention animation at all. I'd even argue it's The Same, but More Specific to Sex Sells.
The Gainaxing trope is more broad. For example, it doesn't have the "no bra" limit on it, because it's often supposed to look odd and unrealistic. Not to mention, it can just be a single moment, Jiggle Show has the implication the entire media revolves around bouncing breasts.
Gainaxing can be up to a single moment in the work and can be minor case of Artistic License – Biology as an animatior either fails to put appropriate weight or does so deliberataly for own appeal.
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup2k inbounds is terribly good for a term with minimal examples of people using the term away from tvtropes, which means that I still prefer merging.
Thank you for providing a link. I tried asking for links to offsite usage the last time offsite usage of what was stated to be Fan Speak was claimed on TRS (the Eight Point Eight thread) and never got any, which might have been a factor in why that thread ended with disambiguation.
I should probably clarify that when I say offsite usage, I don't mean that the term had to originate offsite (though if an archive of that 1993 Usenet posts exists, a link it would be nice to have, even if it's not as necessary now that we have an external link from 15 years later). If people took one of our terms and are using it independently of us (which does at least partially appear to be what's going on here, considering the only wiki being referenced is Wikipedia), that's fine as well (TV Tropes Will Ruin Your Vocabulary, after all).
Edit: Oh, right, and making both Misty May and Gainaxing definition-only might work, though a merge would still be fine if the link to a small sample of offsite usage isn't considered a sufficient enough reason to keep them separate (if I'm reading the last sentence of the quote post correctly as saying a merge is still preferred). I'm still against splitting Gainaxing into fanservice and comedic examples because I don't see what separates comedic examples from Gag Boobs. It was claimed that Gag Boobs needs TRS, but if there's no wick check, I'm not going to take that claim into account.
Another edit: Oh, right, and I think these are the options I think we have right now (text in parentheses is commentary and not text that would go on the crowner):
- Make Gainaxing a Definition-Only Page without splitting it, with links to other tropes like Jiggle Physics, Jiggle Show, Gag Boobs, and possibly other pages on it (if Misty May is kept separate, it would fall under the "possibly other pages" category)
- Redirect Misty May to Gainaxing (not mutually exclusive with any other option related to doing something with Gainaxing)
- Make Misty May a Definition-Only Page without redirecting it to Gainaxing (see the above parenthetical commentary for Gainaxing; this would still presumably leave it YMMV since it describes an audience game and not a trope)
- Move Misty May from YMMV to Just for Fun without redirecting it to Gainaxing (not my preferred option compared to making it definition-only or merging; I'm only listing here because it was brought up in the Outdated Administrivia Pages thread in its early days back when it was called the Outdated Pages thread, before it was established that Just for Fun was outside its scope)
- Split Gainaxing between Fanservice and Played for Laughs examples and disambiguate the original name; names to be decided with separate crowners (Misty May would redirect to the disambiguation page if it's merged)
- Split Gainaxing between Fanservice and Played for Laughs examples and turn the original name into a Definition-Only Page with links to the new pages; names of the new pages would be to be decided with separate crowners (Misty May would redirect to the Fan Speak page if it's merged)
This crowner might not be the best way to do it and it's too soon to hook one either way; I just want to see what everyone thinks to see if I missed anything (plus my head's kind of fuzzy from just getting out of bed; I'll see if I can do better than this after the coffee I drank gets rid of the fuzzy-headedness).
Edited by GastonRabbit on Nov 20th 2022 at 8:39:41 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.Since your parentheticals keep mentioning the "if it's merged" stuff, I feel like we ought to have the "Merge Gainaxing and Misty May" option too...
Current Project: Incorruptible Pure Pureness...Well, that was embarrassing. I added it because I meant to, but the reason I didn't ties into what I said about not being completely awake since its omission was a mistake.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Nov 19th 2022 at 1:27:18 PM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.It's fine, I get it
Current Project: Incorruptible Pure Purenessit doesn't have the "no bra" limit on it
can be minor case of Artistic License – Biology as an animatior either fails to put appropriate weight or does so deliberataly for own appeal.
I asked for a meaningful difference. The differences described here are a technical difference, like explaining why a Linear Edit is different from an Online Edit.
The description for Jiggle Show limits it to live-action only, but that hasn't prevented more than 5% of the examples to include animated works.
On the matter of external usage: searching for "Gainax bounce" finds me plenty of hits outside the wiki (and its forks). It's even a tag on AniDB.
Stories don't tell us monsters exist; we knew that already. They show us that monsters can be trademarked and milked for years.The question pertains to Misty May, not Gainaxing.
Current Project: Incorruptible Pure PurenessI actually agree with not splitting, which is why I only suggested a rename and maybe redefining to cover examples that highlight the absurd gravity physics, be it for fanservice or humor.
And by ignoring the description the animated examples are all clear misuse. The trope is even listed as a Discredited Trope, because the trope is supposed to be about a product of its time. It's about a trend/genre, not jiggling boobs. If anything it probably needs TRS itself, since the name is attracting misuse.
It's not just "Fanservice because breasts jiggle" because it's uniquely suited to animation since static images or live-action can't properly convey it, as it uses Artistic License – Physics to emphasize the breasts and make a visual gag. If it was about just jiggling being sexy, it would allow live-action examples.
We even have Pec Flex as its Spear Counterpart, and that trope has even less going on. I don't see why this would not be tropeworthy.
For the record, the page Jiggle Show makes no mention that it's limited to live action. (I know because I've been prepping to do a wick check for it.)
That's not just a violation of No New Stock Phrases. It also violates Everything's Worse with Snowclones (compare how we got rid of Space Does Not Work That Way by merging it and Artistic License - Astronomy into Artistic License – Space).
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.Admittedly I wasn't much serious about that as a title. Moreso just processing what the suggestion was for the trope description.
Vehicle-Based Characterization | Grief-Induced Split | Locker MailI've never heard of Misty May until this thread, a quick Google shows me an American vollyball player. To be honest, it's a non-indicitive name for anyone unfamiliar with Studio Gainax.
Since most anatomically impossible boob moment is Played for Laughs, I agree with the idea of moving some Gainaxing to Gag Boobs.
Edited by PresidentBrit on Nov 20th 2022 at 5:12:26 PM
TV Tropes ruined Faust's lifeSomewhat, in the sense that Artistic License – Biology is part of it.
We might need the subtrope Artistic Licence: Anatomy at this rate.
TV Tropes ruined Faust's life
That could work. Kills a lot of birds with one stone.
There's so much I wish I could take back.So, are there enough options for a crowner?
TRS Queue | Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining | Troper WallIs this correct?
Also remind me the difference between Definition-Only Pages and Fanspeak.
- Keep Gainaxing and rename.
- Keep Gainaxing and make it Fanspeak.
- Disambiguate Gainaxing.
- Make Gainaxing a Fanspeak/Disambig combo.
- Split Gainaxing for Fanservice and Played for Laughs examples. Disambiguate old name.
- Split Gainaxing for Fanservice and Played for Laughs examples. Keep old name as Fanspeak.
- Split Gainaxing for Fanservice and Played for Laughs examples. Keep old name as a Fanspeak/Disambig combo.
- Keep Misty May as Fanspeak.
- Move Misty May to Just for Fun.
- Merge Misty May into Gainaxing.
I made a crowner without splitting, renaming, or disambiguation options because the OP says there are no other meanings given to work with, particularly because most categories in the wick check only have one wick each (seven out of 13 unless I miscounted, and the other categories only have a single-digit amount of wicks each as well), so I added less options than I originally listed because upon further inspection, we don't have a lot to work with if we renamed or split this.
Plus, as has been mentioned several times, comedic examples go under Gag Boobs, and while it's been claimed that that trope needs TRS as well, I'm taking an innocent-until-proven-guilty approach unless it gets a wick check of its own, so I'm disregarding that claim for now.
Edit: Eh... went ahead and added disambiguating.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Nov 21st 2022 at 8:50:56 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Crown Description:
Gainaxing often attracts examples of breasts bouncing without meaning, and Misty May is an obscure in-joke whose page isn't thriving and has a fairly small inbound count for a page that's existed since before 2007, with 2,002 inbounds since 2012 (compare 127,755 inbounds for Gainaxing), and it's been questioned whether its concept (which is "a unit of measurement for Gainaxing") is worthy of a page. What should be done with Gainaxing and Misty May?
I think you're looking for something like this, although it appears self-referential (meaning that it is off-site evidence of people citing tvtropes, even at a remove) rather than independent verification.
2k inbounds is terribly good for a term with minimal examples of people using the term away from tvtropes, which means that I still prefer merging.
Edited by crazysamaritan on Nov 19th 2022 at 2:11:12 PM
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.