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#1: Aug 13th 2020 at 9:47:32 AM

So, going by the description, Theme Tune Cameo is meant to be when a work's theme tune is used within the work as in-universe/diegetic music. However, some of the examples don't really follow this, at least assuming it's meant to be specifically about the Theme Tunes as implied by the description.

First off, there are several examples listing music other than theme tunes used this way - background themes, leitmotifs, Image Songs, ect. I'm not actually sure if the trope is meant to be flexible enough to also cover these examples, or be specifically and strictly about theme tunes as described in the Theme Tune trope - but if other music can be used, this should probably be mentioned somewhere in the description, which currently only mentions theme tunes and makes it seem like it's specific to them (and in this case, it would be a case of Unclear Description) Should probably also be noted there doesn't seem to be a more general trope for a work's music used in this way.

There are also some examples where the music is used non-diegetically, or at least makes it seem that way with no context, which can probably just be cut and/or moved to Title Theme Drop. Finally, some examples have works using (or sometimes parodying) the theme song... of another work/franchise. I'm under the impression that this trope is meant for works using their own music, or something from the same series, and not Shout-Outs to other works. (Also, how would fan works examples work in regards to this? A fan work referencing the theme song of the thing it's based on is technically not using music from the same work, so...)

     On-page examples 

Non-theme songsnote :

  • Azumanga Daioh does the same thing with a character's Image Song.
    • Tomo has her Image Song as a cellphone ringtone.
    • Osaka and Sakaki sang their image songs at the karaoke. Yomi does the same and epically fails. As if Rie Tanaka couldn't sing...
      • More on Sakaki, her Image Song appears again in the radio show that both Tomo and Yomi were listening to, only it's listed as being sung by Yuu Asakawa, who is actually Sakaki's seiyuu.
    • While we're at Tamers, an interesting one: Ritsuko's ringtone is Ravel's BolĂ©ro. While technically not originally a Digimon song, the track was part of Digimon Adventure's soundtrack, usually played within the context of the real world.
  • Kim Possible:
    • And in another episode, Ron attempts to win a rap music contest, and his entry is Rufus's theme from the soundtrack.
    • Ron also hums the "Naked Mole Rap" in at least two other episodes.
  • In an episode of Justice League Unlimited, Green Arrow hums along to his own Theme Music Power-Up (though it's his personal Leitmotif, not the show's theme). And then the instrumental version plays, similar to the Castle example above.
  • Not a theme tune, but in the VeggieTales episode "Madame Blueberry," the episode's Silly Song ("His Cheeseburger") shows up as muzak playing in the food court.
    • Songs from earlier episodes, especially the Hairbrush song, actually turn up in the background a lot during different episodes.
  • Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door:
    • The game also uses the ice world theme from Super Mario Bros. 3 when you receive a message from a mysterious informant, "Mr. X".
  • The ringtone of Godot's cell phone in Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney – Trials and Tribulations happens to be the same music as his own Theme Tune. ("theme tune" used here to mean character theme, and not in the way the trope description seems to use it)
    • Wesley Stickler's cell phone ringtone in Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney is one of Klavier Gavin's band's songs, Guilty Love, sped up to almost double the tempo.
    • Klavier himself plays a recording of Guilty Love by way of an introduction in court. It's somewhat safe to assume that every single repeat of the theme tune afterwards is just Klavier toeing "play" on the CD player beneath his bench.
    • Even Phoenix's cell phone is like this: his plays the Steel Samurai theme song.
    • In case 1-5, Ema Skye's cell phone plays the Steel Samurai theme song as well. This allows Phoenix to pass it going off in the parking garage as his when the detective at the scene asks what just happened. Or, possibly, he set it to the Steel Samurai theme tune because of this incident (in cases 1-1 to 1-4, his cell phone had a generic ringtone).
  • PokĂ©mon Gold and Silver have Team Rocket hijack the radio tower as part of their plan to find their missing boss, Giovanni. The music that plays on all radio broadcasts while they do this is the same theme that plays when a Rocket Grunt challenges you to a battle.

Non-diegetic music/unclear

  • In Balala the Fairies, the theme song is their transformation music. Even the toys made for the show play it. (seems to just be as background music?)
  • Bear in the Big Blue House:
    • Each episode has an instrumental snippet of the theme play over the title card.
  • The Noddy Shop:
    • Each episode begins with an instrumental version of the theme playing over the shot of the store with the episode's title over it.
  • At least one song in every Silent Hill game after the first includes a part of the track playing notes from the original game's theme. Namely Theme of Laura, Hometown, One More Soul to the Call, and Hell Frozen Rain.
  • Partial example: The Mega Man X series uses a rocking metal cameo of the musical stinger that plays when you pick a robot master in the first Mega Man game. ("partial" example?)

Other work's theme song:

  • Lucky Star's Konata uses the ending theme from another Kyoto Animation show, The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya, as her ringtone. The song also shows up in a few other places, including an arcade rhythm game.
    • She also hums the opening theme for The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya while playing her Brand X MMORPG, replacing certain lines with MMORPG-specific phrases.
    • One episode has a scene where Konata and her friends attend a concert featuring an Image Song from The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya.
      • This is a real world concert Suzumiya Haruhi no Gekisō that the characters 'attended'. The 'person' singing on stage is Aya Hirano, credited as such (she is also the VA of Konata and Haruhi) and is a fairly good likeness of the actress.
    • The ending themes for Lucky Star up to episode twelve are often themes to other (non-Kyoto Animation) series, anime or otherwise. The others are general popular tunes.
  • In a comic featuring Venom as the main character, he's seen swinging building to building singing a song, with lyrics featuring himself, obviously meant to line up with the classic Spider-Man theme song.
  • In Deadpool #8, the merc sings Spider-Man's theme song with his own lyrics:
    "Deadpool-Man! Deadpool-Man! Does whatever Deadpool can! Makes a plan, any size, catches thieves and makes them die. Look out! There goes the Deadpool-Man!"
  • In the first issue of The Unbeatable Squirrel Girl, the Spider-Man theme tradition is continued:
    "Squirrel Girl, Squirrel Girl! She's a human and also a squirrel! Can she climb up a tree? Yes she can, easily. That's whyyyy Her name is Squirrel Girl!"

As for a wick check:

     Actual theme tune used diegetically 

     Non-theme tune used/unclear 
  • Anime.Guilty Crown: "Euterpe" several times, and also the first ending theme "Departures ~あなたにおくるアイの歌~" as Inori's main song. ("Euterpe" is apparently a song sung by one of the characters in the first episode, not sure if it's considered a "theme tune"?)'
  • VisualNovel.Tayutama: The Karaoke Box session from episode nine uses this one. (which "one"?)

     Non-diegetic/unclear 
  • Manga.Hidamari Sketch: The second season anime ends with the first season OP. (assuming this means "using the first season's OP as second season's ending theme?)
  • Recap.Monk S 8 E 9 Happy Birthday Mr Monk: The original Monk theme shows up in a slower, waltz form when Monk is having fun testing out the new self-cleaning vacuum on his living room rug.
  • Series.Minder: When Terry returns to boxing in an episode, a Training Montage features the theme song, including verses not usually heard in the opening or closing credits. | When Ray is revealed as Arthur's new minder after showing he can fight, the new theme tune plays, with cheesy results.
  • Series.The Monkees: Used for comedic effect in multiple episodes. One example is in "Monkees A La Mode", when after the group is proclaimed "typical young persons" by a chic magazine, the show cuts to a photo montage of the boys making goofy faces while the show's theme song plays in the background.
  • VideoGame.Castlevania 64: The franchise's "Big Three" songs, Vampire Killer, Bloody Tears, and Beginning, also reappear, although never in the form of a full remix.
  • VideoGame.Obsidian: The game's theme pops up within a few puzzles throughout the game, such as when the Bureau's Celestial Puzzle is solved, and whenever one of the camouflage buttons on the Crossover Switch happens to be pressed.
  • VideoGame.Super Mario World: The World 1-1 theme from Super Mario Bros. plays in the Special Zone, but the player must wait nine loops.
  • WebVideo.Game Grumps: Small portions of The Angry Video Game Nerd's theme song can be heard during the "___ WINS" screens at the end of Game Grumps VS videos. (also counts as "theme tune from other work)
  • WesternAnimation.Cartoon All Stars To The Rescue: When Alvin and the Chipmunks and Slimer first appear, their respective cartoons' theme songs play in the background. | When Pooh is initially talking to Corey, an instrumental version of the theme to The New Adventures of Winnie the Pooh plays in the background.''
  • ThunderCats Roar: In "Mumm Ra of Plunn-Dar", the original theme song can be heard during the final fight with Mumm Ra.

     Theme tune from other work 

...While it's not widely misused, it's interesting to note how the on-page examples have more "non-theme tune" examples while the wicks on work pages have more "non-diegetic music" examples.

Since there doesn't seem to be a more general trope for this, I'll suggest:

  • 1: Rewriting and clarifying the description (if intended to also cover non-theme tunes associated with the work), or broaden the trope to also include non-theme song music. Should still be something associated with the work such as background music, a character theme, ect.
  • 2. Making a supertrope/more general version of this trope and move non-theme tune examples to that one.

(Either way, non-diegetic music examples should be cut, most likely along with the ones about theme tunes from other works)

Edited by Zanreo on Aug 13th 2020 at 6:49:05 PM

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#2: Aug 13th 2020 at 12:36:39 PM

Opening.

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#3: Aug 13th 2020 at 12:59:35 PM

As I have expressed here, I think broadening the trope to include other themes in the soundtrack like a love theme or a character's Leitmotif is a good ideanote . I think it's a very similar concept that isn't worth splitting.

Non-diegetic examples should be cut as misuse.

Edited by Synchronicity on Aug 13th 2020 at 3:00:39 AM

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#6: Aug 13th 2020 at 1:45:41 PM

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For a new name, how about Soundtrack Song Cameo or Diegetic Soundtrack Usage?

Edited by jandn2014 on Aug 13th 2020 at 4:47:05 AM

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#8: Aug 13th 2020 at 3:11:24 PM

[up] "Diegetic" is the correct spelling. Or were you just agreeing with my name suggestion?

Edited by jandn2014 on Aug 13th 2020 at 6:11:52 AM

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Zanreo Meito Anizawa, Anime Tenchou from Glitch City (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Meito Anizawa, Anime Tenchou
#9: Aug 13th 2020 at 8:19:26 PM

Agree that broadening the trope sounds like a better idea since I don't see why it should be restricted to just theme tunes, if using other music is used more or less the same way. As for names, kinda leaning towards Diegetic Soundtrack Usage from the suggestions since that makes the "diegetic" part of it clear.

As for doing this with music from other works, I'm assuming that's not this trope?

Edited by Zanreo on Aug 13th 2020 at 5:19:23 PM

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#10: Aug 14th 2020 at 8:33:45 AM

I strongly prefer Diegetic Soundtrack Usage over Soundtrack Song Cameo, since the use of the word "diegetic" makes it much less ambiguous that the music has to be playing in-universe in addition to the audience hearing it, with any ambiguities being cleared up by looking up the concept of diegetic sound.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 14th 2020 at 10:35:56 AM

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#12: Aug 15th 2020 at 11:23:21 PM

Expand to include other songs in the work's soundtrack and rename Diegetic Soundtrack Usage.

FernandoLemon Nobody Here from Argentina (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: In season
#13: Aug 16th 2020 at 10:58:39 AM

We should fire a crowner with those options, then.

  • Rename the trope
  • Expand definition to allow non-Theme Tune examples
  • Redefine trope to only allow diegetic examples
  • Do nothing

...or is consensus clear enough?

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#14: Aug 16th 2020 at 11:54:54 AM

Pretty sure everyone here has voted for "expand" and a lot of people added "rename" on top of that. IDK if we're at consensus point, but...

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Zanreo Meito Anizawa, Anime Tenchou from Glitch City (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#15: Aug 16th 2020 at 1:14:29 PM

Pretty sure it is already meant to only be diegetic, and the non-diegetic examples are misuse

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#16: Aug 16th 2020 at 1:30:36 PM

Should we make a new trope for non-diegetic examples?

Zanreo Meito Anizawa, Anime Tenchou from Glitch City (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Meito Anizawa, Anime Tenchou
#17: Aug 16th 2020 at 2:37:06 PM

[up] Something like Title Theme Drop only for all of the work's music?

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#18: Aug 16th 2020 at 4:05:29 PM

Yeah, I believe the non-diegetic version (eg. anime OP plays in the background during the final battle) is actually Title Theme Drop. It is also restricted to title themes for now.

Zanreo Meito Anizawa, Anime Tenchou from Glitch City (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Meito Anizawa, Anime Tenchou
#19: Aug 16th 2020 at 4:38:38 PM

Plus, regular background music playing in the background at a certain moment is just, well, background music, so not sure that needs to be a separate trope? Maybe a remixed version of the usual music used for special moments could work though

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GastonRabbit Sounds good on paper (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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#20: Aug 17th 2020 at 10:43:27 AM

Can non-diegetic misuse go to Title Theme Drop, since Theme Tune Cameo is already supposed to be purely diegetic?

Anyway, regarding the crowner proposal, bullet point three isn't needed since this is already supposed to be diegetic, and the "Do nothing" option could probably be omitted based on this mod post from Septimus in the appearance trope cleanup thread.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 17th 2020 at 12:45:56 PM

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FernandoLemon Nobody Here from Argentina (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: In season
#21: Aug 17th 2020 at 11:53:42 AM

Gotcha, so only the first two points. Do I create the crowner, or do I wait?

Edited by FernandoLemon on Aug 17th 2020 at 3:53:52 PM

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#22: Aug 17th 2020 at 11:58:36 AM

[up]The thread has been open long enough for one to be made, per the Three-Day Rule.

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#23: Aug 17th 2020 at 12:01:40 PM

Here it is, then.

Edited by FernandoLemon on Aug 17th 2020 at 4:01:50 PM

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Zanreo Meito Anizawa, Anime Tenchou from Glitch City (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#24: Aug 26th 2020 at 12:56:18 PM

Also, we'll also have to cut examples using music from another work, right, since that's not the same thing?

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#25: Aug 26th 2020 at 1:54:43 PM

I'm pretty sure that's the case.

Anyway, since I don't think anything is missing — hollering to hook the crowner.

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