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We don't want to clog this thread since Surprisingly Realistic Outcome is an Overdosed Trope. Before posting here, check if the example you're analyzing qualifies for summary deletion from the three criteria below by keeping this trope's rigorous definition in mind.

  1. Does the example involve Applied Phlebotinum (Functional Magic, Science Fiction, Artistic Licence) or a character reaction? If so, it instantly violates the definition's second bullet point's realism requirements, and you should delete it without question.
  2. Is the example a Discussed Trope or an instance of Conversational Troping? If so, it violates the definition's third bullet point's emphasis on only counting outcomes, and you should delete it without question.
  3. Considering the definitions, would the example qualify better for Deconstructed Trope or Deconstructed Character Archetype from the trope page's rules? If so, move it to the appropriate one on the spot.

If the example survived all three tests, it satisfies the second and third bullet points, so you don't need to change it immediately. If you feel like it meets the first bullet point's requirements for being surprising, you can leave it. However, if you believe it doesn't meet the first bullet point or aren't sure, talk it over in the cleanup thread before deciding.

Many Stock Phrases you'll see used in this thread describe a particular type of misuse:

  • Not surprising. — The outcome described isn't a Bait-and-Switch and merely follows expected genre conventions.
  • Plot happens. — The example merely describes an event or series of events but not why we would expect something different.
  • Too fantastical. — The causes/outcome described included the presence of stuff Impossible in Real Life such as Applied Phlebotinum, Functional Magic, or Science Fiction, meaning they're too unrealistic by default.
  • No character reactions. — The outcome involves a character reacting in a certain way or having certain emotions, which we can't gauge the realism of because people's emotional reactions vary far too much.
  • Not realistic.Exactly What It Says on the Tin, but this one requires you to write a short description for why it isn't realistic.
  • Too implausible. — The outcome describes an outcome that happened because of things too unlikely to count as relatively realistic compared to what they were subverting.
  • Cuttable ZCE.Exactly What It Says on the Tin.
  • Not an outcome. — The example is either a Discussed Trope, Lampshade Hanging, Conversational Troping, or happens over too much time to be momentary.
  • Too unclear. — The example is too convoluted or obtuse to judge.
  • Irrelevant. — The example describes stuff utterly irrelevant to the definition of SRO.
  • Bad indentation.Exactly What It Says on the Tin.

    Old OP 
I've been noticing a lot of Surprisingly Realistic Outcome misuse lately, from instances of Gameplay and Story Segregation to Awesome, but Impractical, and I thought a cleanup thread could help out a little.

A big thing I've noticed is that it's often used for anything remotely realistic, or something that's realistic but doesn't necessarily affect the story. Another problem is that the trope seems to be cherry-picked, where any instance of reality ensuing is put there, as well as when another trope could serve the example better.

Problematic examples from one sample page, SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome.Disney Animated Series:

"Despite his attempts Wander can't make friends with Dominator who constantly rebuffs his friendly gestures throughout season 2. Even at the end of everything, she still refuses. Sylvia even lampshades it, telling him some people are just like that."

"Spider-Man's fight against Sandman and Rhino, where Spidey uses Rhino's weight against him. rather than fighting him directly."

"Beshte gets sunburns all over his body and is easily exhausted while he is lost in the Outlands. Justified due to the fact that hippos need water to survive to avoid sunburn and overheating."

"It's heavily implied that being the leader of the Lion Guard has taken a toll on Kion's social and private life."

"Milo Murphy's Law is about a boy named Milo Murphy whose entire life is centered around Murphy's Law. In another cartoon, being The Jinx would cause people to be afraid of them, resulting in an unsocial lifestyle. That does not apply here. While everyone does watch their step around Milo, they do not hate him for it. Being The Jinx does, however, give everyone Paranoia Fuel, given that Murphy's Law can happen at any time, so chances are you might need insurance, a phone in case of emergencies, among other things. Milo himself (as well as his friends Melissa and Zack) just learned to adapt to his condition, being prepared for anything. He has lived with Murphy's Law his entire life after all. That being said, that does not mean that they don't panic all the time. Examples include Milo panicking over his monthly doctor's note, and Melissa panicking over riding a rollercoaster with Milo."

" Hiro is initially not allowed to use Tadashi's former lab, as it can only be accessed by upperclassmen who earned the privilege. Subverted in the second half of the pilot when Professor Granville decides Hiro using the lab would benefit him. On a related note regarding Granville, she is tough, but fair when interacting with the students. She might be, as Wasabi describes "a hard case", but Granville being a complete sadist and picking on Hiro would be unrealistic. She is actually a decent person."

-Edited with permission from the OP-

Edited by lalalei2001 on Aug 10th 2022 at 5:47:25 AM

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#1026: May 16th 2022 at 11:22:04 AM

The Amazing World Of Gumball page needs some cleaning up.

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#1027: May 16th 2022 at 11:58:08 AM

Apologies if I sound snappy, but, you could do it. I've seen Gumball, so most if not all of the examples are misuse of the "too fantastical/actually a subversion/deconstruction" variety.

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#1028: May 16th 2022 at 1:24:51 PM

    Gumball examples 
  • In "The Quest", as Tina Rex — an anthropomorphic Tyrannosaurus rex — is chasing the Watterson kids, Gumball tells Darwin and Anais to stand still because she can only see things that move. Tina promptly informs him that that only works in movies. Wrong Genre Savvy or This Is Reality
  • In "The Prank", Richard ends up breaking five ribs attempting an Impact Silhouette. Might need more context, but seems valid since it's taking an unrealistic trope and having it happen realistically.
  • In the second season finale ("The Finale") the Wattersons were fined by the city for the millions of dollars worth of damage they caused in previous events, half of the people sued them for their reckless behavior in the past, and Gumball and Darwin were forced to restart school from kindergarten for causing trouble and never doing any work. Larry (who has a different job every episode) was revealed to have so many jobs to pay for all the damage the Wattersons caused that he was blamed for. So how do they try and fix this? They break out of prison and end up destroying the town again, in the hopes that making things worse would make everything would work itself out like it usually does. When this doesn't work, the entire town breaks into their house and tries to kill them, ending the episode (but strangely, not the series). Character reaction, plus the damage was probably caused by unrealistic things.
  • While mostly exaggerated for laughs, the season three episode "The Pizza" has Larry understandably quitting all of his jobs as a result of the lackluster respect he gets (mostly from the Wattersons) and the overall conditions he's forced to work in. Since he was so integral to Elmore's economy with all those jobs, the town collapses into anarchy. Character reaction, and having one employee working so many jobs that the town's economy depends entirely on them isn't realistic.
  • In "The Countdown", Darwin and Gumball proceed to fool around with the townsfolk after everyone except them is frozen in time. However, the two soon realize that they can no longer use anything that's electric (TV, video games, the internet, etc) since time being at a standstill means they no longer work. Even when they try to use things that aren't electric, like books, the pages burn up due to friction. Unrealistic. Might fit better under Deconstruction of Time Stands Still
  • In "The Egg", Gumball and Darwin try to make up a song on the spot; it's out of sync, with one starting to sing a verse, then the other makes another one and the other repeats. Subversion of Musical World Hypothesis
  • In "The Check", Anais' fantasy about what she'll do with a check for $5,000 is that she'll use it to obtain all the money in the world, destroy it, and have everyone live peacefully in the wilderness, until it's pointed out that with them becoming non-violent they'll have no way to fend off predators. The sequence ends when an eagle grabs her and flies away. Discussed Trope, and not realistic.
  • In "The Pest", Gumball and Darwin find out that Anais is being picked on at school and try to help by telling a teacher. However, when they tell Miss Simian, she really doesn't care, and she points out to them that since Billy isn't actually breaking any school rules, she has no obligation to do anything about it. Apathetic Teacher
  • In "The Gift", Anais starts the practice of kissing frogs in hope of one them turning into a prince. This, of course, leads her to being hospitalized with wartsnote  and "frog flu" afterwards. The example flat-out mentions the outcome isn't actually realistic
  • In "The Parasite", Anais assumes that she'll be Easily Forgiven for brainwashing Jodie into being her friend and then trying to take over her body. When she regains her sanity, she suggests to Jodie that if they got to know each other, they could be friends for real. By the time she's finished speaking, Jodie is long gone. Character reaction
  • In "The Slide", Rocky's attempt to win over Brydie with a Grand Romantic Gesture backfires horribly, and Brydie rejects him because she's horrified by the creepy and deranged superficially romantic things Rocky went through to reach her. It also turns out that she thought he was creepy from the moment they met, and the only reason she sent him an invite on Trawlr is that he was using a profile photo that was doctored beyond recognition. Character reaction
  • In "The Heist", the Wattersons have to find a way to return $2,000,000 to the bank after Richard unwittingly made the employees think he was there to steal it. Anais' plan is to become an intern, work her way up to regional manager and insert a dollar a day into the bank's systems. As Gumball points out, it would take nearly 5,500 years to deposit all of the money at that rate, and the Anais in her fantasy turns into a skeleton and disintegrates. Discussed Trope
  • In "The Nuisance", the Wattersons thwart the Donald Trump-esque mayor of Elmore's plan to sell the town by performing various acts of discord to lower the housing values. Nicole believes that the citizens will be thankful, but they don't realize that the Wattersons did what they did to save the town and are more concerned with it now being in ruins, so the episode ends with the Wattersons locked in stocks and pelted with fruit. Character reaction
  • In "The Potion", Gumball and Darwin give Hector (a giant) a potion to shrink him and he attempts to do the things he couldn't do before. When he tries to walk he passes out from the effort because he's used to getting anywhere he wanted in two steps, when he tries to ride a bike he realizes that he never learned how to ride one and crashes, when he tries to play football he gets trampled because he's smaller than the other players now, and when he tries to flirt with girls he doesn't consider that they might not like him and ends up getting beaten by them and their boyfriends. Not realistic
  • In "The Transformation", After all the threats from the Fitzgeralds (except for Polly), Gumball is incredibly frightened of them even after they become more peaceful and doesn't stick around even when everything is fixed. Character reaction
  • In "The Founder", Richard is mistaken for the founder of Chanax and uses his newfound position to make changes to the workplace. Naturally, his hedonistic lifestyle leads to his changes being impractical things like replacing the computer chairs with hammocks, which make it difficult to type, and adding a pizza kiln to every cubicle, the intense heat from which makes it difficult for one employee to work. Needs more context. Probably not surprising.
  • "The Compilation" features Richard inventing "Buttersmear", a mass of butter on a stick mixed with various junk foods. Naturally, it's insanely unhealthy and he mentions that he's lost all feeling in his body after eating it for every meal for 11 days, then collapses on his desk after eating another and asks the people still watching his stream to call an ambulance when he can't get up. Not surprising, already covered by Nutritional Nightmare.
  • "The Diet" has Richard decide to go on a diet, however, he misinterprets how to go on a diet and proceeds to eat all the foods recommended to him by different diets. In any other show, he would be no worse for the wear, but here he becomes visibly overweight (or at least, even more overweight than usual) and tired by most exercises. Not surprising.
  • In "The Faith", the Scouts learn that stealing merit badges isn't the same as earning them. Because they didn't actually learn any survival skills, their attempts to form an army ends with Gumball and Darwin beating them up. Not surprising
  • In "The Question", Gumball and Darwin are trying to find the meaning of life, so the planets in the solar system all come together and sing them a song. Although they could see the planets, they couldn't hear them, because they were so far away and Gumball remarks that by the time they're finished singing, the sun will have burned out. Not realistic. Also covered by Averted Acoustic License.
    • Similarly in "The Boredom", the sun and the moon have a fight and the moon tries to headbutt the sun. When it does nothing, the sun points out that they're miles away from each other and it only looks like she's headbutting him from the perspective of Earth. Not realistic
  • In "The Inquisition", Rob's fatal flaw gets him beat up by Tina (and becomes the first victim of the spreading Void). For some reason, Rob was actually trying to save everyone...by brainwashing them into losing their cartoonish nature and turning them into humans... and that reason is somehow linked to the Void itself. No idea what this has to do with the trope.

One valid example. There's also another example in the videos that realistically subverts Soft Water, but isn't listed here.

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#1029: May 16th 2022 at 3:21:11 PM

In "The Prank", Richard ends up breaking five ribs attempting an Impact Silhouette. Might need more context, but seems valid since it's taking an unrealistic trope and having it happen realistically.

Isn't that just a deconstruction of Impact Silhouette?

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#1030: May 16th 2022 at 3:52:07 PM

[up]Yeah, not an example. Cutlist and dewick Infinity Train Boiling Point, Mastermind Strategist For Hire, and The Amazing World Of Gumball. The video example is also invalid for reasons I've already explained.

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#1031: May 16th 2022 at 4:59:51 PM

[up][up]That depends on what the example means by "attempts an Impact Silhouette", which is why it needed more context. If Richard did make a hole, but sustained injuries doing so, it's a deconstruction. If he only injures himself and fails to make a hole, then it's SRO.

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#1032: May 16th 2022 at 5:02:29 PM

Next up on the docket, The Many Dates Of Danny Fenton. I was gonna do the folder joke, but this already has a lot of folders and I didn't feel like unfoldering it, so here we go:

The Many Dates of Danny Fenton

Despite the story mainly being about a teenage half-ghost going on blind dates with girls from other works of fiction, it is also a story steeped in reality. Shooting yourself in the foot with the statement, aren't ya?
    General 
  • All of the sequel stories reveal that because Tucker uses a misleading profile page on the dating service, his profile name TooFineTuck has become infamous for tricking girls with a fake dating profile. All those girls that Tucker went out with talked, and now TooFineTuck is known as a creep using a fake profile to lure girls in. Thankfully for Tucker, his profile was never linked to him, and all the girls that choose Danny accept him as Danny's best friend. Probably some other trope
  • Sam's stalking of Kara or whoever Danny dates in fics based on alternate endings is treated as the bad thing it is in real life. Kara and Kim even say it's only because of Sam's friendship with Danny that neither of them reported her to the authorities. Deconstruction of Stalker with a Crush/Stalker without a Crush?
  • Dash never bothered trying to have a life outside of high school. As a result, as an adult, he's looked down on by his peers who have moved on from high school to bigger and better things. Plot, Growing Up Sucks
  • Paulina, much like Dash, didn't really have any plans for a life after high school and was focused on being the Alpha Bitch when she was in high school. As she is forced to learn as an adult, being popular in high school means nothing now that she's older. Plot, see above
  • Bonnie's relationship with Junior fell apart due to his foppish nature, and she was tricked into signing a prenup that gave her no money. Without income, she was forced to get a job and ended up marrying someone of far less wealth. Plot
  • King of the Hill had Bobby and Hank Hill not looking eye to eye in a whole lot of things, with Hank constantly trying to mold Bobby to be more manly and follow Hank's dreams. In his second appearance in these stories, Deadpool points out that they eventually had a very harsh falling out and have not talked for years. Character stuff
  • While in fiction, a girl chasing after a guy is portrayed as funny, this fic shows that harassment is harassment, regardless of gender roles and it can make a person feel uncomfortable and even frightened. Danny makes it clear that he does NOT enjoy Katie's excessive fawning over him and some spin offs shown that he was even traumatized by the experience, as he becomes nervous at carnivals/amusement parks and especially around the tunnel of love afterwards due to how stressful it was when he encountered Katie there. Deconstruction of Stalking Is Funny if It Is Female After Male (I think), character has trauma
    • In "Danny and Makoto", even when going to a theme park in Japan with Makoto Kino (his match in that timeline), it doesn't help him overcome it easily. It takes him a while after avoiding rides and remembering he's with someone he truly loves to overcome it. Bad indentation, character has trauma
    • A similar thing occurs in "Danny and Felicia". Despite being enamored by Felicia, Danny rejects an offer to go through the Tunnel of Love with her during a visit to New York, due to still being traumatized by his previous encounter with Katie. Character has trauma

    The Many Dates of Danny Fenton 
  • As Tucker is learning the hard way and refuses to admit, the reason he is getting so many bad dates is because of his misleading profile page. The girls going on a date are expecting a different guy and when they meet Tucker, they get mad, yell at him or just leave without giving him a chance. Even those who give him a chance are turned off by his overconfident attitude and lame come ons. In contrast Danny is much more successful because of his honest profile page and the fact that he is being nice and polite to the girls he goes out with. Character reactions
  • In Codename: Kids Next Door, it's implied that the Teens and Kids were/are in a secret war and Cree Lincoln's hatred for kids was normal in her cartoon. However, when she goes on a date with someone outside of her setting and a teen superhero to boot, who sees her beating on kids, he's utterly disgusted and leaves her. Most people who see someone attacking kids will be disgusted and want nothing to do with you. Even Tucker, who, desperate as he is to find a date, was so completely appalled when he learned about Cree being a child hater that he didn't hesitate to stand her up on their blind date. Character reactions, also might be too fantastical?
  • Meg Griffin's obsessive, stalkerish behavior is often played for dark laughs. Here, she ends up banned from the dating site, and put under house arrest. Might be an example, but needs more context
  • Whenever Dash intrudes on Danny's dates to harass him or steal his dates, to his shock the girls end up disliking him and choose Danny over him. In school, he is a popular jock who has an easy time getting girls while Danny is lower on the Popularity Food Chain. However, most girls wouldn't like someone intruding on their dates, or being rude to their date while hitting on them. Character stuff
  • In the world of Animaniacs, Katie's transformations might be seen as a regular occurrence of a world that is Played for Laughs. For a character like Danny Fenton, who comes from a cartoon that is slightly more grounded in reality, it's terrifying. Too fantastical
    • While Danny is on a date with Katie Kaboom at a fancy restaurant, Dash, Paulina, and Star come to harass Danny and Katie. Thankfully, before a fight can break out, security comes to check on the situation and after Katie says that they were being harassed by the popular kids, the security guard throws them out. In school Dash, Paulina, and Star are favored by the teachers and can get away with this behavior. In public, however, harassing someone will get you thrown out of a place. Plot, bad indentation
    • Danny also didn't consider that his excessive "pampering" of Katie during their date could have been misinterpreted as romantic gestures until it was too late and Katie became infatuated with him as a result. Character stuff
  • When Dash finds out Danny is going on a blind date, he tries to rally everyone into making fun of him, but when the beautiful Felicia shows how much she likes Danny and kisses him in front of everyone, all the teens join the dating service. Character stuff
    • Even though he finds her gorgeous, Danny is upset when Felicia kisses him without consent just to annoy Dash. Fortunately, she apologizes and he forgives her quickly. Character stuff
  • Since Danny, Tucker and Jazz witnessed what actually happened, they call out Mindy's parents for not paying attention to their daughter as she was put in danger. Character stuff
  • It was only a matter of time before someone was physically harmed during one of Katie's temper tantrums. Yes, and?
  • When Danny meets Daria, her stern, blunt nature proves to be really, really, off-putting and frustrating. Danny is insulted when Daria basically confesses she was forced into a blind date, and storms off. Daria, however, acknowledges she was wrong and apologizes. Deconstruction of Deadpan Snarker?
  • In chapter 53 "Snippets Part 2", Danny and Jen go on a date at a local basketball game and have an encounter with Dash, who is angry since he can't get any tickets and stoops to trying to steal Danny's. After they give him the slip, a security guard shows up and Dash lies by claiming that Danny was the one who stole his tickets. However, this guard actually witnessed the entire bullying encounter and knows Dash is lying, and later takes him away for punishment, thus making Dash miss out on the game, as well as his date. Normally Dash gets away with bullying Danny, but threatening someone and trying to steal from them in a public place will eventually be noticed. Plot
  • Bonus chapter 56 reveals that after two seasons of Total Drama, Danny sues the show for their abusive treatment of Gwen and the other campers, resulting with Chris and Chef being fired and replaced. Plot

    TMDDF: Danny and Kara 
  • The sequel TMDDF: Danny and Kara has Kara threaten to inform her cousin Clark that Casper High turns a blind eye to bullying for the sake of Dash's football skills, and since the Daily Planet is a recognizable news source, negative press like this would likely get him and the rest of the faculty in trouble, so Lancer agrees to stop favoring Dash and give him detention. Plot
  • A few days after Kara threatens to inform her cousin Clark, a reporter for the Daily Planet, about Casper High's favoritism of the A-Listers, Dash serves his detention every day for a week, just as Lancer promised. Not only that, but since Lancer and the rest of the teachers stop favoring the A-Listers, every time Lancer or another teacher catches them bullying a student they immediately punish them. Because Dash and his friends are no longer getting a free pass, he and most of the other bullying jocks are serving detention for their behavior. Plot
  • Because she invaded their privacy and tried to pick a fight with his girlfriend out of jealousy, Danny doesn't return Sam's feelings and tells her she's lost his trust. Character reactions
  • Danny and Sam's estrangement lasts weeks, but not because of Danny. Sam is the party who made the mistake and so, in order to begin repairing the damage to their relationship, she's the one who has to act first and signal that she knows what she did wrong and is willing to make up for it. Sam, however, can't bring herself to interact with Danny—she feels too ashamed to speak like nothing is wrong and yet is too proud to confront the fallout of her mistakes and Danny's disappointment head-on. Because of this, she decides to avoid him, and the conflict between them lasts much longer than it probably would have otherwise. Character stuff
  • After Sam is rescued from Vlad and she apologizes to both Danny and Kara, they both forgive her no problem. Since Sam is a close friend to both Danny and Tucker, and despite straining their friendship because of her actions, they quickly forgive her when she shows genuine remorse for her actions and shows that she learned her lesson. Kara also forgives her because she's a genuinely nice person and saw that Sam truly regretted her actions. It was also shown that even though Sam earned back their friendship, it takes longer for her to earn back their trust, something Sam acknowledges. And Sam was not easily forgiven by everyone, as Danny's older sister Jazz and Kara's best friend Alex Danvers are still mad at her. Plot
  • When Vlad learns Supergirl's secret identity as Kara Kent, she is scared for her life. Unlike Danny, who not only is used to Vlad knowing his secret identity but has leverage (in that he can reveal Vlad's identity to his parents), Kara has no leverage and is afraid for her life. Kara has become paranoid that Vlad could attack her in her school. Character stuff
  • Dash, and to a lesser extent Paulina, are getting into trouble now that the teachers are not favoring the A-Listers. Both of them are spoiled and entitled brats who were given free rein to do whatever they wanted and could get away with bullying whoever they wanted with no consequences. Now that the teachers have stopped giving the A-Listers a free pass to get away with everything, they are both having trouble understanding they can't get away with their bad behavior anymore. Despite getting into trouble and getting detention for his actions, Dash has still not learned his lesson; he really doesn't seem to grasp the fact that thanks to Kara, the teachers aren't turning a blind eye to his bullying anymore and are keeping a close eye on him and the other bullies. FlowerPrincess11 answered a review stating that Dash now gets detention twice a week, and while he hasn't been suspended or expelled yet, the teachers aren't going to accept his behavior anymore. Plot, character stuff
  • Dash tried to go on a date with Michelle Lynne Clarke, but when he failed to get her the tickets to the game she wanted to go to with him and he couldn't find anyone he thought he could intimidate to give him their tickets, he suggested they sneak into the game. Michelle was so disgusted with him that she dumped him there and then and has treated him with disdain ever since. Character stuff
  • When Tucker's parents learn that he was using a fake dating profile, they ground him for a week and forbid him to use the dating service anymore for being dishonest. Plot
  • When Dash, Paulina, Kwan, and Star try to get into Michelle's party, Star is nervous because this is a senior party, and while they were in senior parties before, they were invited first. Dash and Paulina arrogantly think their not being invited was an oversight, but as Dash learns, he was put on the list of people not allowed while Kwan and the girls simply weren't invited. Since Dash made a bad impression on Michelle, she would not want him at her party, and since Paulina, Kwan, and Star were not invited, they can't get in either. Plot
    • Dash, Paulina, Kwan, and Star try numerous ways to get past the bouncer. Dash tries to use his status as an A-Lister and football quarterback; they try sneaking in; when they're caught Paulina tries to bribe him; and finally they try to gang up on him only for him and his fellow bouncer to chase them away. The bouncer is a professional and is not going to let four uninvited teenagers past him—he is unimpressed with Dash's arrogant attitude, and his status, making it clear that he does not care and that he thinks they have low standards for being popular at his school; catches them trying to sneak in and rejects Paulina's attempt at a bribe; and finally when they attempt to gang up on him, the bouncer is not afraid of four teenagers and he and his fellow bouncer scare them off. Plot
  • Sam was afraid to meet Superman, rightfully thinking that he would be mad for the way she treated Kara. While Superman is willing to give her the benefit of the doubt, he warns her the other members of the Justice League will not be so trusting, with Batman monitoring her to make sure she does not tell anyone Kara's secret. Character stuff
  • Sam doesn't want to enter the sports competition and doesn't want to wear the pink uniform, so asks Jazz why she wouldn't enter the competition. Jazz points out that she never trained for most of these sports, because she's a senior, it's too late for her to audition for these so soon, and finally this is Sam's chance to prove to everyone they can trust her again. Seeing Jazz's points, and how important this is to everyone, Sam agrees to join the competition. Plot
  • People find it suspicious that Vlad hosts a sports event with 5 different schools that are not only out of town but with 4 from different states, and one from a different country. During an interview, reporters question if this entire event is a publicity stunt to raise his PR status, and ask how this will help the town. They also point out how unusual it is for his Casper High team to compete against Jim Jr High, a middle school (his team and all the others are high school); that he invited Horizon High, a science school to a sports competition; and finally McGillis-Pertsch High, a school from Canada. Plot
  • Because of her looks, numerous boys attempt to get Felicia's attention. While she does enjoy the attention at times, she does get annoyed with boys making fools out of themselves and coming on to her without knowing her. Character stuff
  • Even though Vlad gives Danny some hints that the event will have schools that his previous dates went to, he does not make the connection until Chapter 32. While Danny calls himself stupid for not making the connection sooner and even says they told him the schools they went to, it is understandable. Even though nearly all his dates made a good impression on him, and Danny does remember them, he has not kept in contact with them and was on a lot of dates, so he can't remember every detail about them. Character stuff
  • When Danny's girlfriend Kara meets his former dates Kim, Jen, Angelica, and Felicia, it does not cause a fight or strain Danny's relationship with Kara like Vlad hoped, or would happen in another series. Though the meeting is awkward, Kara is mature enough not to be jealous, knowing even though Danny dated those girls, he chose her to be his girlfriend. And even though all the girls miss Danny and were hoping to see him, when they see Kara is his girlfriend, most of the girls respect Danny's choice. Even when Felicia flirts with Danny, it does not cause a fight and Kara and the other girls are angry with Felicia instead of Danny. Character stuff
  • Since Dale was caught trying to sabotage the rival team by stealing Middleton High's standard football cleats, he gets himself and his team the Ravens in trouble. Coach Tetslaff has Dale benched from the game, and the only reason she does not punish the whole team is because there is no proof his teammates were involved. When Dash protests that they need their running back, Tetslaff fires back that actions have consequences, and that he should be happy they aren't disqualifying the whole team. Tetslaff considers forfeiting as a show of good faith to Coach Barkin, but she really wants to teach the boys a lesson. As Tetslaff takes Dale to be punished, Dash realizes they have a huge handicap now and that they will be facing off against the Middleton Maddogs, who have been undefeated this whole season. The Middleton Maddogs' quarterback Brick Flagg, along with his team, are angry at the Ravens, and while Brick says he will not beat them up, he tells them he will save that for the field. And since the Maddogs are older than the Ravens (the Maddogs are 16 years old while the Ravens are 14 years old) and better trained, the Ravens lose the game, with the Maddogs playing roughly and humiliating the Ravens to get back at them for the attempt at cheating. Plot

    TMDDF: After Many Dates: Danny and Kim 
  • In the spin-off After Many Dates: Danny and Kim, it's shown that the events of Ralph Breaks the Internet were undone as Vanellope's leaving Sugar Rush for Slaughter Race got the attention of the game's programmers, thinking it's the work of hackers, and her IP owners, who never approved of her appearance and sued the developer, forcing her to return home. Too fantastical
  • Since Danny was unconscious for several days, he hadn't brushed his teeth, something Kim becomes aware of when they kiss. Yes, and?
  • The same spinoff shows how the world would've responded to the "Disasteroid Incident", in which the Earth was nearly hit by an asteroid and held for ransom by a supervillain: many civilians panicking and breaking down in fear, riots taking place, and different heroic factions trying to solve the problem themselves (or hoping another hero could). The author was motivated by how little attention the canon series paid any of these real life issues that would pop up. Plot
  • Chapter 51 reveals that Dash and most of the A-Listers will not be graduating because 75 percent of their homework was done by someone else, with the only one graduating being Star. It also reveals that since Danny went public with the school favoring the A-Listers, the teachers lost their paychecks for a year, but Principal Ishiyama considered it better than being blacklisted. Plot
  • The entire Kids Next Door franchise is hit with this like a ton of bricks. It is later revealed that the entire kids vs adults war in the series, including all the reality breaking logic (such as the 2X4 technology working) was the result of Mxyzptlk and Bat-Mite warping reality for laughs. Once they stop, the KND technology (soda bottles glued to wood) stops working, and the Moon base ceases to exist. Too fantastical?
    • Also, because they aren't being protected by these cosmic entities anymore, all the KND villains, who in the show would have been arrested by the authorities for child abuse at a minimum, are all imprisoned with life sentences. As for the Delightful Children from Down the Lane, all five were restored to normal and sent back to their legitimate families. Too fantastical, also plot and bad indentation
    • Learning you've devoted your life to nothing but a lie naturally drives several characters (notably Numbuh 1) into breakdowns or denials. Character stuff
  • Because of Stan Smith's stupidity, he fails his mission, and in his cowardliness sells out his family and country to Thanatos. So when Stan is rescued, he is jailed for treason, and his former boss Avery Bullock loses his job as Head of the CIA because of Stan. Stan's wife Francine divorces him and reveals to Stan that because he lost his job their daughter Hayley was arrested, as his job at the CIA was the only reason she was not jailed for her illegal behavior. Plot
  • In the series, Bonnie treated her relationship with Junior as the greatest thing in the world. Now, into adulthood, she realizes he's not husband material, much less father material. Not only is he too foppish and immature to be a proper husband, he is too squeamish to have kids. In addition, marrying into a known supervillain family isn't wise and she should consider herself lucky that the worst thing the Seniors did to her was trick her into signing a prenup. Plot
  • Chapter 57 reveals that Paulina tried to sue Kim Possible for stealing Danny from her. Not only did her ridiculous lawsuit fail, her husband Dash and her father were furious with her. Dash filed for divorce, while her father cut off her inheritance, with only her children getting their inheritances when they turn 18 years old. Uhhh?
  • After Danny and Kim finished college, Kim's first mission as an official Global Justice agent had her bust an illegal operation of Ed Wuncler the I that, since it took place outside of Woodcrest, got his grandson and best friend, who were in charge of said operation, arrested. Ed Wuncler the I tried to use his usual connections, but a new president - coupled with the world clearly siding with heroes like Danny Phantom - cut him off. As a result, his grandson and his friend were jailed, Uncle Ruckus was arrested for hate crimes, Robert Freeman was given serious repercussions for how he raised his grandsons, both of whom spent most of their days in juvenile hall, and finally he lost all his power over Woodcrest. Plot
  • In King of the Hill, the series ended with Bobby and Hank bonding over grilling. The end of Chapter 58 reveals that Bobby does not talk with Hank much anymore now that he has grown up to be a famous comedian. Throughout the series, Hank tried to change Bobby to be like himself, while not learning to accept his differences, so it was only a matter of time before Bobby would get sick of his father trying to change him and cut him out of his life. Deconstruction of Fantasy-Forbidding Father
  • Chapter 59 shows that it was only a matter of time before Mama Lipsky stopped being Locked Out of the Loop from what her son actually does for a living. Yes, and?
  • Because Vlad has spent years with little to no use of his powers, much less someone to spar with, he's completely out of practice in combat. Meanwhile, Danny, who is married to a martial artist, spars with her and goes on adventures all the time, giving him more experience and skill that his archenemy cannot compete with anymore. Not surprising

    TMDDF: Danny Chooses Alex After the Many Dates 
  • Sam and Tucker try to sneak into Alex's aunt's house to get some info on her, but they end up being caught. Once their parents hear about it, they both wind up grounded and Sam's parents cut her off. Plot
  • Clover introduces Dale to Alex because Danny is not into sports like her. When Alex turns him down because she's dating Danny, he becomes angry and tries to attack them. But a guy that works in the arcade steps in and threatens to throw him out if he attacks the couple, telling him that he knows the school favors jocks, but that they're not in school and he'll have no problem hurting them. Dale and his friends decide to leave. Plot
  • Unlike in canon, it's revealed that Ron Stoppable will get his money back. His riches came from royalties on a popular fast food item, not a lump sum like inheritance or lottery. As long as people keep buying 'Nacos', Bueno Nacho owes him money and the large sum up front was essentially backpay. Plot
  • When Tucker's parents learn that he used a fake account on the dating service to scam some girls, they are angry and extend his grounding for it. This one was listed already.
  • When Clover and Samantha go on a date with Dash and Kwan, at first things are good, but when Clover asks if Dash plans to be a famous football player, he reveals he will probably work for some nerd and has no true aspirations, much to Clover's disappointment. Later, when Samantha reveals that she plans to become a journalist and does her own homework, Dash and Kwan refuse to believe her, since to them, pretty girls are not smart. Clover and Sam angrily dump them after that. Even though they did not mean to insult them, girls don't like boys who don't plan for the future and who don't think attractive girls can be smart. Character stuff
  • Dash and Paulina try to prank Danny and Alex at the prom, but when their prank fails and they get caught, they hope that Mr. Lancer will turn a blind eye to the prank like he does to their bullying of other students. However, because they did the prank in a public place with parents there to witness the act, Mr. Lancer punishes them instead. Plot
    • At the same time, it is revealed that because the parents threatened to sue the school for the double standard involving students, Mr. Lancer and the other teachers have stopped favoring the A-listers. Bad indentation, plot
  • In chapter 19, the Guys in White capture Sabrina and Cassandra because they saw Cassandra abuse her powers and realised that the girls are witches. However, they are forced to let them go because their leader Agent Alpha points out that they are not in Amity Park, a place where everyone is used to the supernatural, and that the local citizens would not believe that the girls are witches. Plot, too fantastical
  • Clover plays a prank on Dash, making him think that Mandy was playing hard to get when in fact Mandy really can't stand him. Dash learns the truth and tries to threaten Danny in a store. A salesperson overhears Dash and tells him to leave; when Dash refuses and asks You and What Army?, two guards appear, and Dash takes his cue to leave. Plot
  • When three sports celebrities are abducted, the only connect is their manager, who leads them to Ezekiel Remancho, a.k.a. El Grosso. Danny wants to arrest El Grosso on the spot, but Jerry tells him he and the spies need to get the celebrities before they make any arrests. They go to El Grosso's house, distract him with questions, rescue the celebrities and then arrest El Grosso. Plot
    • In the movie Underdogs, it's implied that Ezekiel Remancho, a.k.a. El Grosso's, career was destroyed when he deliberately injured an adversary from a team of amateurs from his former home town. Here, however, while his manager drops him like a hot potato, and he loses his both fame and his place in his team, he just joins another team and is still rich. Plot

    TMDDF: After Many Dates: Danny and Gwen 
  • While stalking Danny and Gwen at a restaurant, when asked her order, Sam says she'll have whatever she (Gwen) is having. The waiter tells Sam she's not in a movie and needs to make an actual order or else be forced to leave. Maybe?
  • Much like in Danny and Kara, Danny does not return Sam's feelings. However, things turn out far worse: because Sam made the video of Gwen using her powers, it led to the Guys in White hunting her, Vlad taking advantage of the situation, and Danny being unable to assist in fighting Vilgax for a time. It also prevents Ben from using his Omnitrix to help stabilize Danielle, which was the best chance they had to save her life. He's so angry at Sam for putting Danielle and Gwen's lives in danger that he, Tucker, Jazz, and Danielle cast her out of Team Phantom. Plot
  • After his granddaughter Gwen's identity is revealed to the Guys In White and Vlad uses that to lock her out of Amity Park with a ghost shield so Danny can't help her battle Vilgax, Max Tennyson uses his connections with the Plumbers to help them, with mixed results. Plot
    • Max has a talk with Sam Manson, after calling Sam out on spying on Gwen even when she insisted she was only going to show the photo to Danny. Max tells Sam that she is going to be under watch to make sure that she does not tell Ben or Gwen's secret. When Sam complains that that's an invasion of privacy, Max tells her she should have thought of that before she invaded Gwen's privacy. Plot, bad indentation
    • When Max threatens to expose Vlad unless he leaves Gwen alone, Vlad threatens to expose Danny. Vlad agrees to keep Gwen's secret if Max agrees not to expose his. With no other leverage over Vlad, Max regretfully agrees to Vlad's deal. Plot, bad indentation
    • Max goes to the Guys In White base to talk with leader Agent Alpha. Agent Alpha is shocked that they were hurting his granddaughter and agrees to stop hunting both Danny and Gwen, much to the shock of all the operatives. When Agents O and K protest, Alpha tells them that the Plumbers are bigger than them; the President and every other world leader have given them complete jurisdiction over extraterrestrial matters, and anything connected to it. If they want to recruit Danny Phantom, then he is no longer the GIW's business. Alpha then threatens to fire O and K if they don't leave Danny alone. Plot, bad indentation
  • Dash makes Danny angry by calling Gwen a freak, so he punches Dash in the stomach. Mr. Lancer punishes Danny and refuses to listen to him that Dash started it, because of Dash's status as a football player. Carmen Clarke, a parent who was picking up her daughter Michelle and saw the whole thing, is outraged, even more so when Mr. Lancer tells her that as a quarterback, Dash is vital to the school and therefore exempt from scorn. She calls him out for allowing Dash to harass and abuse other students because he's more interested in football scores than doing his job, and threatens to have a friend of hers sue the school unless Mr. Lancer lets Danny go and punishes Dash. Mr. Lancer agrees, and lets Danny go and gives Dash detention. Plot
  • Vlad makes a deal with Desiree, promising to give her the thing she really wanted when she was alive as a harem girl (her own kingdom) if she gives him a wish that won't backfire on him. Desiree agrees and warns him he needs to be very exact when making a no backfire wish. She recommends using many details about Danny's girlfriend so he can trap her. Vlad wishes that the girl with red hair and green eyes that Danny met and dated during the summer who is very fond of him and fights evil to be in the cage he's prepared. The wish not only summons Danny's girlfriend Gwen Tennyson, but other girls he dated like Starfire, Makoto Kino, and Kim Possible. When Vlad gets angry that Desiree summoned more girls than he expected, she replies that he said red hair and green eyes who fights evil, dated Danny, and likes him, and each of these girls qualified. Too fantastical and a regular example of Literal Genie

    TMDDF: After the Dates: Danny and Violet 
  • While trying to apply for an internship (due to his father's insistence), Dash tries bullying Danny (who also wants the internship) and says that the only comfort would be taking it away from him. Cue the security guards (and Dash's father), who were there and could see him, reprimanding him and him getting rejected for the internship. Plot
  • Kwan gets the DevTech internship with Danny, and aside from telling their boss that Danny's clumsy, does not attempt to bully him. While talking to Dash, who asks him why he's not bullying Danny, Kwan tells him that it's not like school - the job has supervisors, and unlike Dash he has hope for his future and he won't ruin it just because Dash can't accept that there are pretty girls who'd rather date Danny than him. Plot
  • After Jack and Maddie learn that Vlad is half-ghost, and help the Guys in White and the National Super Agency defeat and imprison him, they put two and two together and realize that if Vlad has ghost powers, then their son must have them as well, and they never suspected because they stubbornly refused to accept the possibility of humans having ghost powers. They talk with Danny and confront it, with them assuring Danny that even with ghost powers they accept him as their son. Plot
  • Like in the movie, Edna Mode points out the dangers of superheroes having capes. She does acknowledge that Superman and Supergirl's indestructibility might enable them to survive the dangers of wearing a cape, but even then she's worried about them and any fans willing to follow their example. Too fantastical
  • At school, Dash tries to lock Danny in his locker to make him late for his job so he can lose his internship. He's stopped by Winston Deavor and his lawyer Robert Parr, who came to the school because the town's Acting Mayor is planning to reinstate the security cameras to stop bullies and to add the same kind of anti-ghost protection his factory has. Winston tells Principal Ishiyama that Dash was bullying Danny and she gives Dash detention. When Dash protests that he's a football star, Ishiyama points out that the witness testifying against him is a respected adult with no reason to lie about what he did. Plot
  • Valerie reveals to Danny, Sam, and Tucker that because her father was rehired to his old job at Axiom Labs by the now imprisoned Vlad, he's been suspended without pay pending an investigation. And it's implied that the National Super Agency took her ghost hunting equipment because it was given to her by Vlad. Plot

    TMDDF: After Many Dates Danny and Kitty 
  • Dash and Paulina get angry that they weren't invited to Michelle's party and blame Danny, thinking he must have told Michelle to not invite them, despite the fact that Michelle made it clear to Dash he was not invited because she hates him, sees him as immature, and is angry at him for trying to steal tickets to a basketball game he promised her on a date. They learn Danny's girlfriend Kitty Pryde is a mutant, so in school they plaster pictures of Kitty using her powers to save children everywhere with the words "Fenton's MUTIE girlfriend" on them. Everybody is appalled with Dash and Paulina's actions and are even more disgusted when they learn why they did it. Michelle, outraged, tells Dash he already knows why he wasn't invited to her party and that she only knew Danny for a week while slapping Dash. Mr. Lancer, who normally favors and looks the other way on the A-Listers on bullying the other students, punishes them, informing them of "educational mandate 4/3/04", that any student who uses hate speech verbally or written regarding another student's race, culture, or physical condition will be suspended for a month. Dash and Paulina are suspended for two months and are forced, along with their accomplices, to remove the pictures before their suspension starts. And when Dash later threatens Danny, he loses his place on the football team. Plot
  • Dash and Paulina, with their parents, lead a mob of protesters (most of them parents of students who go to Casper High but there are some students also) outside the school, protesting Dash and Paulina's suspension. Danny sees this and argues with Paulina and her father in his superhero identity; he tells the rest of the protestors that he understands that they are scared and just want the best for their kids but asks if they even know why the suspension happened, explaining the reasons. While Paulina's father shows disinterest in the reasons, the protestors start muttering and throwing down their signs and leave. The protesters who were parents probably thought Dash and Paulina were suspended over a serious issue that endangered their children; learning they were suspended over a petty reason like acting out over not being invited to a party, they left with only the ones who actually had an issue with mutants staying. Plot
    • Danny tells the rest of the protestors to go home before he forces them, but a policeman tells him that will not be necessary. The policeman tells the crowd to disperse or be taken into custody. When Dash protests that they have a right to free speech, the policeman informs Dash that free speech is one thing, disrupting school and using violent means to get your point across is something else, which forfeits their right to assembly. Dash and Paulina run for the hills, and the protestors leave. Paulina's father is arrested for attacking Danny; when he asks about Danny attacking him back, the policeman says he attacked him in self-defense. Plot, bad indentation
  • While most of the students of Casper High are disgusted with Dash and Paulina's actions and their racism, there are some students and parents that are equally racist to mutants. Yes, and?
  • Danny had good intentions giving a speech on TV about mutants rights under his superhero identity, but unfortunately his speech got the attention of his archenemy Vlad, who decides to use his girlfriend against him. Plot
  • Because of Tucker's reputation from the dating service, Velma's friends become wary of him and decide to follow them on their dates. Plot
  • After Danny's secret identity is revealed to the world, Agents O and K of the Guys in White try to hunt him down, even using a Sentinel to attack him, Kitty, and Danielle at a restaurant, not caring about the innocent people they are endangering, even saying that they wouldn't have stayed in the same restaurant as Danny (already exposed as Phantom by this point) and mutants aren't innocent. After Danny and the X-Men take care of the Sentinel, Danny calls Kim Possible; Kim and Dr. Betty Director come and arrest Agents O and K. When Agents O and K protest, calling Danny a ghostly freak, an abomination of nature and a criminal that's a threat to society, Betty tells them Danny is the reason there still is a society, as without him the planet would be nothing more than a lifeless rock, and then arrests them for endangering the public. After Betty reveals she's the director of Global Justice, the two understand how much trouble they are in as they are taken away. Plot

    TMDDF: After Many Dates: Danny and Makoto 
  • Though Danny and Makoto clearly care for one another, their living on opposite sides of the planet with school and unspoken commitments to being superheroes makes their online relationship difficult. The fact that they go to school or fall asleep at different times also doesn't help. Plot
  • Since Danny doesn't speak Japanese fluently, he's forced to rely on a book at first when he visits Japan. When speaking with the Hero Club and the Light Music Club, he has difficulty saying the words right, much less understanding how sentences in Japanese work. His pronunciation is shown to be rather poor, even when Mugi tries to claim he wasn't that bad. Karin of the Hero Club even snarks at how he butchers Japanese. Character reactions
  • During their drive around towns to check out colleges, Jazz is attacked by the Kids Next Door for not letting Danielle have any candy. Rather than thank them or partake in the candy, Danielle assaults them, mostly Numbuh One, for attacking Jazz. Since they're used to kids in their town being mistreated by teens and adults and thanking the KND, the idea of coming across a small girl who doesn't share their opinions on older people, or a teen and small child being very close, is lost on them. Plot
  • Chapter 14 brings several logistical concerns with the Silver Millennium. No.
    • When Danny is told about the Moon Kingdom, he balks because there isn't any proof of such a thing. Luna points out that the kingdom existed thousands of years before modern humanity, ages before there was any means of observing other worlds much less traveling to them. Given that the Silver Millennium's era veers into Time Abyss territory, there wouldn't be any physical evidence of it's existence in the modern day. Too fantastical
    • When he finds out that the Guardians are reincarnations of the princesses of their planets, he questions if Rei in her original life looked human or like the Martian Manhunter. Given the confirmed existence of a being from Mars in the form of a Green Martian it does make sense that someone would question if another denizen looked the same, especially because Martians possess shapeshifting powers. Too fantastical
      • Going back to how ancient the Silver Millennium was, Artemis clarifies that the humans who lived in that era predated the Martians in a manner similar to how dinosaurs predate humans on Earth. A planet capable of supporting life still does so even if a civilization and the people living there are wiped out. It's perfectly conceivable that a whole new race would have risen up after an extinction event and vary quite drastically from what was there before. Not surprising, ESPECIALLY bad indentation
    • Danny questions how Jupiter could have a kingdom living on it, given that it's a gas giant. Artemis tells him said kingdom was actually made up of colonies on the planet's moons. Too fantastical
    • Danny asks why Usagi is the leader of the group, given her immature behavior, and supersedes the others if they're all princesses. For the former it's because she's the only one who can use the Silver Crystal. For the latter they note that the Silver Millennium was a vast cosmos spanning empire, and that while they did lead their respective worlds, they were more like regional rulers rather than existing as separate authorities. Too fantastical
  • Ben reveals to Ami that Max told him old stories about the Silver Millenium, much to her surprise. While it did end ages ago, and physical proof of its existence can't be found, some of the worlds that were connected to it still exist in the present day (the Omnitrix identified Artemis as being from Planet Mau so at least Azmuth and the Plumbers are aware of its existence), and still retain the knowledge of that time. Just because a civilization physically ends doesn't mean all knowledge of it automatically fades away, especially if the places where that knowledge exists are on the radar of major powers. At the same time, Ben and Max did believe the stories were only that because they had no proof of the tales being real. Not surprising, too fantastical

    TMDDF: After the Dates: Danny and Barbara 
  • When Sam and Tucker are spying on Danny and Barbara, a cop eventually notices them and is about to arrest them for stalking until Sam grabs Tucker for a Fake-Out Make-Out session, making the cop think they're a couple. Plot
  • Dash, with his friends Dale and Kwan, confront Danny and Barbara about knowing Danny's secret (he thinks Danny lied to his dates that he's a superhero). When Dash attacks Barbara and she uses a judo move on him and he's the one who gets hurt, Detective Bullock appears alongside another cop and asks Barbara if Dash hurt her. When Dash tells him that he was the victim, Danny tells Bullock that Dash is a school bully that Barbara had to hit in self-defense. When Dash threatens Danny to try and make him take that back, Bullock informs him that witness coercion is a crime, and that he's under arrest. When Dash pleads that Danny and Barbara were the troublemakers, Bullock tells him not to insult the Commissioner's daughter, which makes Dash and his friends realize how much trouble they're in. Plot
  • After Dash and Dale are arrested, Danny asks to be taken into police protection because he rightfully fears that the other A-Listers will want revenge for them. The police agree, and Danny and Jazz start to live with Barbara and her father the Commissioner. Plot
  • Mr. Lancer tries to get Dash and Dale released, saying that Casper High needs them to win the big game. Detective Bullock is not impressed with his reasoning, saying that there's no excuse for them to do what they did, and beside the Commissioner would be very upset if he let them out. Mr. Lancer tries to argue that Barbara is blowing it out of proportion, saying that Danny is a troublemaker while the arrestees are football stars. Bullock can tell that Mr. Lancer favors the athletes and is disgusted, telling him that those punks probably wouldn't be in this situation if he taught them right from wrong. Mr. Lancer then reveals that he waged a whole month's pay on this game, which Bullock points out is illegal. When Mr. Lancer offers to share his winnings with Bullock if he releases them, Bullock angrily arrests him for attempting to bribe a police detective, and informs the education board about his bet. Plot
  • With Dash, Dale, and Lancer arrested for their actions, the teachers of Casper High stop favoring the A-Listers, causing them to lose their power in school. Plot
    • At lunch time, Paulina tells Danny, Sam and Tucker that while they think they are free of Dash, his Uncle Charlie's lawyers will get him out because his uncle can bribe people that outrank Commissioner Gordon. She tells them that he'll be free soon and will put the three of them in their place. Instead, Dash takes a plea bargain in Gotham where he pleads guilty of attempted assault and will serve 250 hours of community service; until that sentence is fulfilled, he can't leave Gotham without permission from the court. When Dash asks if that's the best his lawyers can do, his uncle sternly tells him that he should be glad that he won't have to wait until he's 21 to be free. Plot, bad indentation
    • During a school announcement from Principal Ishiyama, she reveals that after the Gotham City Police Department reported Mr. Lancer for wagering on the outcome of the football match that Casper High played in Gotham, the Board of Education revoked his teaching license and, because of that, he's no longer a teacher. His substitute, Mr. Stone, is now a regular teacher, permanently holding Mr. Lancer's former position, and Mr. Falluca is now Casper High's new Vice Principal. Plot, bad indentation
  • Danny and Barbara talk about how Cameron Kaiser's original plan to build a Camelot-themed project ended up costing more than he expected or could afford, so he decided to trick the Joker into destroying it. He even bribed an Arkham guard into setting the inmates' TV on the channel that was showing the casino's opening so the Joker would see it, and the same guard later made it easier for the lunatic to escape. Barbara reveals the plan wouldn't have worked even if nobody had proven Kaiser guilty of any crimes; because of the sudden change to the casino's name and theme, the insurance company could have held this as a misrepresentation of the insured property and invalidated any claims Kaiser had over the matter. Danny even lampshades how people with overly complicated plans always seem to forget about important details. Plot

    TMDDF: After Many Dates: Danny and Wendy 
  • Upon learning of Sam's feelings for him and how she stalked him and Wendy, Danny (of course) breaks off his friendship with Sam—he also explains to her that the only reason he hasn't reported her to the police is because of their former friendship. Plot

    TMDDF: After Many Dates: Danny and Starfire 
  • Despite how attached they quickly became, Danny and Starfire realize they can only be together in public when he is Phantom and not Fenton. Being a superhero with no secret identity, Starfire being involved with two boys of the same name would cause suspicion. Ploy

    TMDDF: The Many Kids of Danny Fenton 

General

  • Characters like Bonnie Rockwaller, Gemini "Gem" Stone, Paulina Sanchez and Dash Baxter were spoiled brats and bullies when they were younger, and rivals to heroes like Danny Fenton, Kim Possible, Sabrina Spellman (and whomever else Danny ends up with through the dating service). Virtually none of them outgrow their bad behavior as adults (if anything, they just become worse)—as a result, they're having a hard time with their adult lives because people just won't tolerate their bad behavior anymore. And since virtually none of them made any real plans for their lives after high school, they (except for Gemnote  they ultimately don't make anything of themselves and (financially speaking) are barely able to support themselves and their families. They also raise their kids to be just as bad as they were in their youth and to be rivals to the children of Danny and whomever he ends up marrying—however, none of them really seem to get that the times have changed and their bullying simply isn't acceptable anymore (and even then, them getting away with their own bullying was truly only temporary), their children aren't able to get away with it like their parents were. There's also the fact that the children of Danny and his wife are superheroes(-in-training) who have inherited their dad's powersnote  and have also been trained in various forms of combat (like martial arts) while the children of characters like Bonnie, Gem, Dash and Paulina don't have powers or any kind of combat training—as a result, their kids tend to be seen more as nuisances than actual threats/rivals. Basically, because characters like Bonnie, Gem, Dash and Paulina didn't "grow up" or improve as adults, they're having a hard time living their lives beyond high school, and because they learned nothing (or in the case of characters like Dash and Paulina, are trying to relive their "glory days" through their kids), they teach their children the same bad behavior, setting them up for failure like they did themselves. Plot
    • The only true exception (that we've seen so far) to this is Paola Baxter, Dash and Paulina's daughter and Dash Junior's older sister—thanks largely to the influence of her grandparents (Dash's parents and Paulina's parents), Paola has ultimately become a much kinder, friendlier and more down-to-earth person than her brother or either of their parents. This includes being nice to people like the kids of Danny and whomever he ends up marrying as an adult. In fact, in the timeline where Danny chooses Sailor Jupiter, Paola's shown to be close friends with their daughter, Mako Fenton. Plot, bad indentation

Annie Fenton

  • In the chapters focusing on Danny's daughter through Kim Possible, it's revealed that by time Annie's a student Casper High, Nasty Burger has changed the recipe of its secret sauce to avoid using ingredients that would make it combustible—while talking about it over the phone with her friend (and secret crush), Ronald Stopabble Junior (Ron and Yori's son who's more commonly called "RJ"), RJ theorizes that whoever approved the original recipe for NB's secret sauce was probably fired by the FDA at some point. Maybe?

Three potentially good examples out of however many that is. I was gonna do more today but fuck that, this was like five different fics in one with so much retreading.

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magnumtropus Since: Aug, 2020
#1033: May 16th 2022 at 5:30:17 PM

Is there a list of all the examples that this thread has deemed valid?

Idiosyncratic CelestaPlebs from Charlottesville, Virginia, USA Since: Aug, 2020 Relationship Status: Abstaining
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#1034: May 16th 2022 at 6:33:39 PM

[up]No.

[up][up]All three are invalid. 1 is just Black Comedy, 2 doesn't justify itself, and 3 is too implausible for realism. Cutlist and dewick.

Add a title. Stay safe; stay well. Live beyond… memento vivere! Should intermittent vengeance arm again his red right hand to plague us?
underCoverSailsman Peeks from Under Rocks from State of Flux Since: Jan, 2021 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Peeks from Under Rocks
#1035: May 16th 2022 at 9:04:52 PM

[up]X4 and just as important: Does the narrative lead us to expect an Impact Silhouette situation? Or is it just in his head?

underCoverSailsman Peeks from Under Rocks from State of Flux Since: Jan, 2021 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Peeks from Under Rocks
#1036: May 16th 2022 at 9:43:54 PM

[up]x3 Re: The many dates that are not SRO, swipe left. The only possible exception is the 4-day morning breath thing, and that only if the tone of the narrative makes us expect something else - even if just looks like it's building up to a sweetly-romantic kiss.

NOTE: An example that looks like a aversion of Artistic License – Law is really hard to evaluate for realism in a melieu like this, as all the fantastical things could, logically, affect the structure of laws and the legal system.


Is it just me, or are these fanfic pages worse than we expected overall? Hopefully, this is just a symptom of Fanfic fans being a little too eager to defend the genre.

nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#1037: May 16th 2022 at 9:47:54 PM

IMO it's just you - because I pretty much fully expected the fanfic pages to be extra bad, given the nature of both fanfic (& fanfic pages on this site) and the misuse of this trope.

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#1038: May 16th 2022 at 10:36:50 PM

Okay I actually checked the Gumball thing - here is a video, Richard crashes through multiple walls and even the ceiling, so not realistic. It's not even Impact Silhouette because he just makes huge hole.

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#1039: May 17th 2022 at 5:23:02 AM

[up][up][up]I went in expecting 99% of what we find to be total garbage. The misuse ratio I found from cutting pages with Reality Ensues redirects so I could justify abandoning inbounds before I wrote the tightened definition was that pages had two to three correct uses at best, being far more likely to have none. SRO is in the highest category of Overdosed Tropes currently, but once we expunge all misuse in a few months or so, it'll probably have barely several hundred correct wicks. Slash and burn.

[up]Cutlist and dewick.

Edited by Idiosyncratic on May 17th 2022 at 5:47:49 AM

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Someoneman Since: Nov, 2011
#1040: May 17th 2022 at 6:58:50 AM

Mega Man Star Network:

  • Lan may have MegaMan in the Cyber World, but in the real world, he's still a middle-schooler against a super-powered adult. And Vic-Vac, a Matter Wave, is pretty useless against supervillains like Dark Phantom. Lan only gets beaten up for his trouble before Mayl is taken from him. Not realistic. Possibly covered by Your Magic Is No Good Here.
  • After King Foundation got exposed as Dealer, a lot of businesses with Mr King's name on it (such as Spica Mall) got shut down for investigations. A crime syndicate gets shut down, the businesses it's connected to get affected. Not surprising (at least with the curent amount of context)
  • The city switch is treated as a serious crisis to both ends of the timeline because in the past there is an entire city of innocent people with knowledge of the future now trapped in a past they can alter with simple decisions such as leaving Wilshire Hills, while in the future, there's a city of people from the past that's practically cut-off from the rest of the world besides the network of Cyber City because their technology is rendered obsolete. It's only because WAZA is a little more careful with how to handle Cyber City because they have 200 more years of knowledge to work with that anyone is allowed to leave Cyber City at ALL. Not realistic
  • An opponent already established to be capable of stealing energy from their opponents is dangerous to underestimate. If Lan and Hub weren't in that area, Geo would have been killed because he underestimated Sagittarius Arrow at a key moment. Not realistic.

Idiosyncratic CelestaPlebs from Charlottesville, Virginia, USA Since: Aug, 2020 Relationship Status: Abstaining
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#1041: May 17th 2022 at 8:42:48 AM

[up]Cutlist and dewick, along with The Amazing World Of Gumball because that isn't done yet.

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#1042: May 17th 2022 at 12:25:55 PM

Next fanfic subpage: No Chance For Fate.

    Examples 
  • A group of women who have no qualifications apart from finishing high school come to rule the world. Great? Not really. People resent them for not lifting a finger when a disaster decimated the world and then simply returned later to claim control by force. They are ill-suited for ruling as well and everything goes down the drain. In addition, the people of Tokyo don't appreciate having a large chunk of their city being bulldozed in order to make way for the palace. Doesn't sound surprising or realistic.
  • Ten years on the road made Ranma feel rootless and yearning for a home, instead of seeing it as a valid way of life. Character reaction
  • In a related note, Ranma's Training from Hell and one-sided education has left him completely unprepared for life in the real world, as even running a dojo requires a college degree. In Chapter 21, Genma comments that, despite his excellent martial arts skills, without a degree, he can't work at a dojo and must resort to menial jobs. Sacrificed Basic Skill for Awesome Training
  • Genma's wearing a gi all the time in canon is shown to be unacceptable in the modern world; instead, he has to wear a standard suit. Character reaction
  • One of the reasons for the hidden weapons technique is that it is illegal for ordinary civilians to carry swords and such in public. Nodoka comments that she is amazed that she was able to get away with carrying her family blade for a year. Not an outcome
  • Soun's ten-year hiatus from martial arts has caused his skills to deteriorate beyond any hope of recovery, and he is hopelessly outclassed by Genma during their sparring. Needs more context. If the fighting is completely realistic (no powers), and the narrative clearly makes us expect Soun to win, it might count. Otherwise, it's misuse.
  • Akane having to face down all the boys of the school makes a lot more sense. In this fic, Kuno's decree (which he enforces with violence) is not that the boys have to defeat Akane to date her; instead, he says that they must defeat her in order to date, period. After all, no matter how attractive a girl is, some guys will simply not be interested, and others will gladly settle for someone who doesn't require a fight to date her. Character reaction
  • Once the events at Furinkan High could no longer be covered up by the administration (who fear Kuno's father), the authorities crack down hard on it and everything related. Needs more context. Probably not surprising or realistic.
  • Overall, the police are involved more actively in other aspects of this story's treatment of the Ranma canon. Ryouga's reckless actions in threatening to kill Ranma, causing a violent altercation at a school, and finding himself (however unwittingly) in compromising positions with unwilling women leads to him being wanted by the police. Konatsu's family's kidnapping scheme leads to a confrontation with the Japanese equivalent of a SWAT team. Ryu Kumon's identity theft and attacking Genma in his own home land him in jail. When four staff members at the Mugen School are connected to murderous attacks, the police open an investigation that shuts the place down and destroys its reputation. The Senshi are exempt from police intervention because political higher-ups have deemed that the demons they fight are way above the police's pay grade, a fact that the police are none too happy about. Law enforcement intervenes in crimes. Not surprising.
  • Martial Artist vs. Speeding Truck. Truck wins, martial artist has extended stay in hospital. Needs more context
  • It's totally okay to stalk someone for years and try to murder them because they ruin your life? Nope! Setsuna shows Ryoga a Bad Future of what would happen had he succeeded in his goal. Needs more context. Might not be an outcome if it's just the possibility that is shown.
  • Even having Ami Mizuno to help Ranma catch up won't magically give him good grades. Why is this surprising?
  • Getting cool magical powers does not give you any skill at them nor any combat training as well. The Senshi have to train hard to not end up dead in battle. Training also isn't magic. They can't expect to become good in a reasonable time. Also, Ranma can't do the training. Despite being a master of his art, he has neither the authorization nor the ability to teach others. Thus, the Senshi are trained by Cologne, while Mamoru is trained by Nodoka, who is skilled in kendo. Not realistic.
  • Senshi always screw up the plans? Make a plan where they won't even notice until it is too late, or can't even respond to it (drain people thousands of miles away, for example). Probably not realistic.
  • So your village has thousands of years of ancient martial arts techniques, and legions of female warriors in a proud, matriarchal society? Turns out that when facing people with guns, the ability to hit something really hard with your fist isn't that great of a skill. Add in the "Our laws supersede those of outsiders," bit while living in China, which isn't exactly known for tolerating dissidents, and you get a curb-stomping that shatters your town morally, physically, and culturally. Bigger Stick
  • Picolet Chardin's "I won an eating contest, thus I get one of your daughters" is shot down gloriously, with Ami's mom pointing out that not only was Soun not in his right mind when the deal was made (he was starving due to Happosai's training, thus the entire deal should be thrown out the window), but there is no court of law in France or Japan that would accept such a deal. Furthermore, if he tries kidnapping one of the girls, they'd get the police involved (if they didn't just have the martial artists work him over first). Not sure.
  • Konatsu's ugly step-family got away with all their crimes in the rural setting where they were at the top. Of course, sending Konatsu to Tokyo and then committing several crimes there got them arrested very quickly. Not sure
  • Guns Are Worthless? Actually not; the Amazons can testify to this. Ranma and Ryoga also are not stupid enough to do anything foolish when a gun is pointed at them, nor are Konatsu's stepfamily stupid enough to try and resist when lots of guns are pointed at them by the Tokyo Metropolitan Police. True, conventional weapons don't work as well against Youma or other supernatural baddies, but they work against normal people just fine. Might also fit Bigger Stick
    • As shown when the Phoenix tribe use them against Ranma and Xian-Pu, to bloody effect. Curb-Stomp Battle
  • Happosai molesting girls is played deadly seriously, showing just how traumatic this would be. Deconstruction
  • People point out that Pantyhose Taro can just get his name changed at a government office, and that he probably didn't need to track down Happosai. Not to mention that his mother was a moron, telling everyone his extremely embarrassing name (making his social life absolute hell) and honoring the wishes of a man who turned him into a monster. Stating the Simple Solution
  • Akari. First, her fetish for anything porcine – and comparing everyone and everything to pigs – is bullied out of her in school (especially in a country with sayings like "the nail that sticks up gets hammered down"). Additionally, the whole "beat-my-pig-to-date-my-granddaughter" thing is quashed once it results in hospital bills and police intervention. Character reaction
  • Hotaru. After her exorcism, it is clear that, no, she cannot live with Michiru and Haruka, since the latter two are too young to raise a preteen, and the girl ends up with (a reformed) Nodoka and Genma. Additionally, because she has spent years being drained by a demonic parasite, and due to being only twelve years old, Hotaru is neither physically nor emotionally ready to become a full-fledged Senshi. Not sure about the first one. The second one is not realistic.
    • Once Hotaru becomes a full-fledged Senshi, which is helped by her power-up speeding up her recovery, her uniform is regarded – by everyone – as scandalous. Setsuna states that, for this reason among others, the original Senshi were required to be at least 16. Character reaction
  • Romance. There are more pairings in this story than canon for either of the original series, but each of the couples tries to take it slow and avoid rushing into a relationship, let alone sexual activity.Character reaction
    • Specifically for Usagi and Mamoru, their past selves' relationship makes them more reticent to pursue a romance, as they want to make sure that their feelings are their own.
  • It's only given brief mention, but the Senshi with odd hair colors (blonde, red, or even Michiru's oddly-colored hair) have put strain on the families in the past, ranging from worries that something was wrong with their child, to accusations that their partners cheated on them. Haruka's family especially dislikes her blonde hair; unlike the other examples, which are explained away as natural results of having ancestors with those colors generations ago or harmless genetic glitches, her blonde hair is proof that members of their family interbred with non-Japanese immediately following World War II.Character reaction
  • People don't recover magically from being forced to live through horrible nightmares. As a result, the Senshi have lasting changes in them, though they also want to not angst around, as that would mean letting Nehelenia win from beyond the grave. Character reaction and unrealistic
  • Not all parents will have a positive reaction to their daughter doing heroics as a magical girl. Character reaction and unrealistic
  • Xian-Pu learns that coming from a warrior village means little to the authorities if you are still of school age, as the warrior-excuse doesn't fly with them. Also, the environment of the Chinese school in Tokyo, with the children of politicians and businessmen, is not very friendly to someone from the rural area. Not sure
    • When they hear that the power of the Phoenix was used by its tribe as a glorified heater, the Sailor Senshi and their companions can't help but comment on the sheer idiocy of the wasted potential. Not realistic
  • The bad guys don't come after the heroes one at a time, with, for instance, the Death Busters waiting for the Dark Kingdom to be defeated before themselves engaging the Senshi. There are times when the heroes must face two, or even three villains at once. Fortunately, this series averts Evil Is One Big, Happy Family, and the various villains are as much enemies of each other as they are of the heroes. Not sure about the first part. The second part is a character reaction.
  • As the final battle looms, Setsuna arranges a meeting with the government, and Usagi, as Sailor Moon, delivers a televised address, to ensure the help of the military and the evacuation of Tokyo. Senshi or no, they can't take on an army on their own. Avoiding an outcome

I removed the blatant misuse, but left the ones I'm unsure about. They're probably also misuse, but need a clear reason why.

Edited by Someoneman on May 17th 2022 at 12:46:51 PM

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#1043: May 17th 2022 at 1:31:55 PM

[up]Soun vs Genma & Martial Artist vs. truck are possibles - though not likely, since this whole thing is a Deconstruction. Maybe drop them in the cleanup sandbox with your notes, see if we can get someone who actually knows this fic to review later.

All the rest are No Chance For SR Os.

Re: Villians taking turns vs. simultaneous: We can't tell all their motivations for the serial nature, unless they explicitly state that they are waiting for another villain's attempt to run to completion - there are any number of reasons for various schedules, so that's another character reaction/motivation thing.

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#1044: May 17th 2022 at 1:46:18 PM

Next up, The New Adventures Of Invader Zim.

    The New Misuse Of Invader Zim 

The New Adventures of Invader Zim

Season 1

  • During their first fight, Dib tries to stake Norlock. However, since all he has is a piece of wooden debris, with nothing else to hammer it in with, he fails to penetrate Norlock's ribcage. Subversion of Wooden Stake
  • Viera's attempt to teach Gaz a lesson in humility only succeeds in making Gaz hate her and want her dead. After all, Gaz is a spoiled brat who's used to everyone being too afraid of her to defy her; when she meets someone willing to stand up to her, of course she's going to be too petty to let it go. Not surprising, character holds a grudge
  • When everyone fights the sea hydra, Dib figures out how to beat it by telling everyone to blast as many of its heads off as possible. The hydra grows all its heads back and extra ones until it has dozens of heads, and almost immediately afterwards collapses on its own. It had too many heads at once and not enough blood for all of them, so it lost consciousness without oxygen properly getting to its brain. Too fantastical
  • Zim and Tak's competition for control of Earth was always doomed to fall apart because of the Tallest's hate for Zim. After everything he's done, the competition was ultimately just a means to get rid of him one way or another and when it seems that he's about to get a dangerous Super Weapon, they obviously don't trust him with it and finally turn on him completely. Too fantastical
  • After all the time and effort put into mentoring Zim, of course Norlock wasn't going to just let him give up once the Tallest banish him. Not surprising
  • Norlock's betrayal arguably also counts. Have the villainous Hypercompetent Sidekick get in a confrontation with Dib where the latter points out that for all said sidekick's insistence he's both manipulating Zim so that he'll be his Puppet King and helping him achieve his potential as a villain, he's ultimately just a coward who hides behind others instead of doing the work himself. THEN have that same sidekick have an epiphany and see that on some level Dib is right, especially since that no matter how hard he tries to teach Zim to better himself as a conqueror he won't learn. So once Norlock sees a way to seize power for himself he's quick to run for it. Not surprising, plot

Season 2

  • When the Swollen Eyeball agents point out that Team Save Earth have constantly failed to collect any credible evidence that Zim or the other Irkens are aliens, Viera counters by pointing out that it's hard to gather evidence when you're in the middle of fighting for your life. Plot
  • Zim's attempt early in Season 2 at blackmailing Gaz into serving him by threatening to reveal to Dib that she sold him out to Zim at the end of Season 1 fails because, as she points out, she doesn't care what Dib thinks of her, and even if she did, Dib is unlikely to believe anything Zim has to say about her anyway. Character reactions, regular example of Blackmail Backfire
  • Nyx puts a bounty out on Dib, thinking that Zim will be pleased with her. Instead, he's pissed, since aside from the fact that he wants to kill Dib himself, she didn't even talk to him about it before doing it. Character stuff
  • Dib is not happy to see Dwicky again, as despite his good intentions he did still lie to and trick Dib the last time they met. It's only after their new adventure together that Dib decides to (mostly) forgive him. Character holds a grudge
  • When Gaz is blamed for the damage caused to Game Slave Inc. headquarters by the rampaging rat people, she realizes she can't tell people what really happened because with her as the only witness, no one will ever believe it. Too fantastical, regular example of Cassandra Truth
    • Gaz earlier abused her position during her trip to Game Slave Inc. by snitching on workers and/or making sure they get the blame for slights. So when she's accused of the damage committed by the rat slaves, a worker she abused is quick to pin the blame onto her. Even if he had been willing to believe her possible claim that the rat creatures were responsible or if he had also witnessed the incident, he'd be hopping at the chance to pay her back for her horrid behavior. Plot, character holds a grudge
  • Because everyone (except Tenn) causes or otherwise gets involved in trouble during their Career Day assignments, they all end up sent to detention. Not surprising
  • When Red questions why they allow the Dark Irk-Net to exist when it's used for crime and sedition, the Control Brains point out that it's run on independently operated servers outside of their control network. As such, it's hard for them to even monitor most sites, let alone shut them down. Too fantastical
  • The Massive is the size of a small planet. As such, there's a lot of redundant space that's rarely ever used by the crew, and therefore has plenty of room for Bob's New Irken Order cell to use as a headquarters. Yes, and?
  • While Tak talked the Tallest into giving her a chance at conquering Earth, she was never officially re-encoded as an actual Invader, meaning she's nearly barred from entering the Invaders' tournament until the Tallest vouch for her. Similarly, it turns out that she's technically AWOL from her janitorial assignment, which she fled so that she could steal Earth from Zim, so she almost gets arrested for desertion until the Tallest waive off the problem. Plot

Another page bites the dust.

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#1045: May 17th 2022 at 2:10:48 PM

[up]The Invasion may be cancelled due to issues with it's SRO page. Cut.

Idiosyncratic CelestaPlebs from Charlottesville, Virginia, USA Since: Aug, 2020 Relationship Status: Abstaining
CelestaPlebs
#1046: May 17th 2022 at 8:19:18 PM

I'll be the one to review the rest of No Chance For Fate if you're unsure.


No Chance for Fate is littered with reality ensuing. The list is impressive. Meaning we'll have to slash and burn it.
  • Soun's ten-year hiatus from martial arts has caused his skills to deteriorate beyond any hope of recovery, and he is hopelessly outclassed by Genma during their sparring. My Kung-Fu Is Stronger Than Yours shoehorn.
  • Once the events at Furinkan High could no longer be covered up by the administration (who fear Kuno's father), the authorities crack down hard on it and everything related. Cuttable ZCE.
  • Martial Artist vs. Speeding Truck. Truck wins, martial artist has extended stay in hospital. Cuttable ZCE.
  • Even having Ami Mizuno to help Ranma catch up won't magically give him good grades. Cuttable ZCE.
  • So your village has thousands of years of ancient martial arts techniques, and legions of female warriors in a proud, matriarchal society? Turns out that when facing people with guns, the ability to hit something really hard with your fist isn't that great of a skill. Add in the "Our laws supersede those of outsiders," bit while living in China, which isn't exactly known for tolerating dissidents, and you get a curb-stomping that shatters your town morally, physically, and culturally. Never Bring a Knife to a Gun Fight shoehorn.
  • Picolet Chardin's "I won an eating contest, thus I get one of your daughters" is shot down gloriously, with Ami's mom pointing out that not only was Soun not in his right mind when the deal was made (he was starving due to Happosai's training, thus the entire deal should be thrown out the window), but there is no court of law in France or Japan that would accept such a deal. Furthermore, if he tries kidnapping one of the girls, they'd get the police involved (if they didn't just have the martial artists work him over first). Standard Hero Reward subversion shoehorn.
  • Konatsu's ugly step-family got away with all their crimes in the rural setting where they were at the top. Of course, sending Konatsu to Tokyo and then committing several crimes there got them arrested very quickly. Plot happens.
  • Guns Are Worthless? Actually not; the Amazons can testify to this. Ranma and Ryoga also are not stupid enough to do anything foolish when a gun is pointed at them, nor are Konatsu's stepfamily stupid enough to try and resist when lots of guns are pointed at them by the Tokyo Metropolitan Police. True, conventional weapons don't work as well against Youma or other supernatural baddies, but they work against normal people just fine. Guns Are Worthless aversion shoehorn.
  • Hotaru. After her exorcism, it is clear that, no, she cannot live with Michiru and Haruka, since the latter two are too young to raise a preteen, and the girl ends up with (a reformed) Nodoka and Genma. Plot happens.
  • Xian-Pu learns that coming from a warrior village means little to the authorities if you are still of school age, as the warrior-excuse doesn't fly with them. Also, the environment of the Chinese school in Tokyo, with the children of politicians and businessmen, is not very friendly to someone from the rural area. Plot happens.
  • The bad guys don't come after the heroes one at a time, with, for instance, the Death Busters waiting for the Dark Kingdom to be defeated before themselves engaging the Senshi. There are times when the heroes must face two, or even three villains at once. Sorting Algorithm of Evil aversion shoehorn.

The first person to read me can slash and burn the page.

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#1047: May 18th 2022 at 8:25:41 AM

The One To Make It Stay

    Examples 
  • It's pointed out how Alya's Zany Schemes to help Marinette and Adrien get together ultimately do more harm than good. Though she means well, Alya operates under the presumption that Marinette needs to be pushed past her shyness, and thusly ignores all of her friend's protests as she shoves her into one awkward situation after another. Unsurprisingly, being thrown in headfirst doesn't do any favors for her nerves, especially when each failed attempt creates more memories of embarrassing herself around him. What's worse, Alya's refusal to listen ultimately causes a rift in their friendship, as Marinette grows tired of having to deal with her bossiness and unflattering assumptions. Character reaction
  • When Alya creatively recuts a video she took of one of Chat Noir's Love Confessions and posts the results on the Ladyblog, Ladybug is not the only one who notices that the footage has been edited. Several of her followers noticed as well. Her attempts to manage the backlash by deleting any comments she saw about it only serves to make matters worse; instead of making the problem go away, she only makes them angrier — and more certain that she's hiding something. Possibly an aversion of Instant Humiliation: Just Add YouTube!, the second part is Streisand Effect
    • While confronting Alya about said video, Ladybug points out how Hawkmoth is just as capable of following the Ladyblog as anyone else, and anything she posts on there can be used against them. It's eventually confirmed in a Hawkmoth-focused interlude that he does, in fact, read her blog, and found that video inspiring, incorporating that information into his plans. Not surprising if a character mentions the outcome before it happens
  • Alya also learns the hard way that her parents weren't totally unaware of all the running around she's been doing, or of the danger she's been putting herself in for the sake of getting footage for her blog. Her grades have also slipped as a result, and her mother points out how skewed her priorities have become before grounding her. Not surprising
  • After being forbidden from putting herself in harm's way for the sake of Going for the Big Scoop, Alya attempts to do so secretly when Desperada attacks. Nora reminds her that her family is perfectly capable of following the Ladyblog themselves, meaning she can't update it without them knowing about it. Discussed Trope
  • At the core of Alya's stubbornness and Selective Obliviousness is the underlying fear that if she acknowledges that she made a mistake or misjudged something, then that means dealing with the fallout of said mistakes. As she finds out the hard way, the consequences of her actions catch up to her regardless of whether or not she's willing to face them... and denying any responsibility doesn't help at all. Character reaction
  • Being trusted to continue as Queen Bee has done absolutely nothing to improve Chloe's attitude. Just like with Ms. Bustier's hands-off, 'lead by example' approach, her takeaway from Ladybug letting her remain a superheroine is that she doesn't need to change — she's already getting what she wants, so why should she? When Marinette sees her bullying Aurore and realizes that she hasn't even tried to improve her behavior, she decides enough is enough and cuts her off. Character reaction
  • Chat Noir's insistence on believing that Ladybug will eventually return his feelings if he just pursues her long enough only serves to make her increasingly frustrated with him. When he attempts to blame her for everything and accuses her of not treating him like a true partner, she fires back by pointing out his refusal to respect her, and his blatant Moral Myopia: Character reaction
    Ladybug: "Why is it that I have to entertain what you want, but when I tell you to back off and stop hitting on me, you get to act like I'm being unreasonable?"
    • His tendency to Think Like a Romance Novel also hits a brick wall when Miracle Queen exploits it. Despite having every reason to wonder why Ladybug would completely change her tune immediately after having a huge argument with him about how she very decidedly is NOT interested, he accepts her abrupt about-face as her finally 'giving in', allowing the disguised villainess to swipe his ring. Character reaction
  • Adrien believes that their friendship means that Nino will always agree with and support him, and is honestly shocked when his bestie turns out to have his own opinions about things. Such as his decision to blame Alya and Marinette for what he overheard at the museum. Character reaction
  • Support of the Mayor has been dwindling, and the hotel has been getting boycotted. As Alya's mother still works there, she's eager to take her friends over there when she can to support her, and mentions that she suspects they're trying to keep her mom from jumping ship as others have. Character reaction
  • Jagged and Penny do interview prep for Kitty Section in A Bottle of Exquisite Stuff. Doing interviews with any sort of publication is going to be different from performing on stage or livestreaming. Not surprising
  • Adrien's attempts to keep the peace by appeasing Lila naturally result in Neutrality Backlash after he attempts to justify her stealing his phone and impersonating him to send a nasty message to Kagami as her 'just joking around'. Though he doesn't see that as taking a side, Kagami does. Character reaction
    • Similarly, Lila's reaction to this same incident is to gloat inside her head about how this effectively makes him part of her posse. How Adrien sees his decisions doesn't have any real impact on how everybody else interprets them. Character reaction
  • Following her akumatization into Miracle Queen, Chloe is harassed by Paparazzi eager to learn more about how she ensured that Hawkmoth got the Ring. It's implied that this has also impacted her father's popularity, contributing to the aforementioned boycott, along with altering how others treat her. Character reaction
  • When Alya comes clean on the Ladyblog about failing to fact-check Lila's claims, both face harassment and trolling. Alya faces some particularly harsh backlash from people insisting that her efforts to make amends are 'too little, too late', and that she should have never started the blog due to her lacking journalistic integrity. Lila, meanwhile, gets teased and taunted with questions about whether she's 'heard from Ladybug lately'. Character reaction
  • Felix feels that Adrien is too much of an Extreme Doormat, and has taken it upon himself to help him by forcing him to face the consequences of his inaction. However, he fails to take several things into account: Character reaction
    • Felix's side of the family is much more permissive and less controlling than Gabriel is with his son. Thus, his frame of reference of what somebody in Adrien's position can get away with is very skewed.
    • He refuses to take Adrien's feelings into account beyond the notion that humiliating and shaming him might force him to act the way he wants... making him no different from his uncle.
    • Adrien, quite naturally, resents Felix for treating him so callously, and doubts that he's doing this for anything more than his own personal amusement and spitefulness.
    • This toxic treatment also casts Chat Noir's behavior in a new light. Felix's refusal to take anyone else's feelings into account while pursuing his own interests is reflected in how Adrien acts while transformed; both Felix and his father have demonstrated that power and freedom mean you can disregard others' desires with impunity.

The Spectre Trilogy

    Examples 
  • Before Carla starts her journey, she's advised to get a haircut as it's dangerous to have very long hair out in the wild. Discussed Trope
  • Sending almost all her money to her sister leaves Carla with little to spend on medical supplies – which causes major problems when Tess gets poisoned. Not surprising
  • Since she's unfamiliar with some of the species on her team, Carla has to look them up on a database in order to learn about them. Not surprising
  • When sabotaging Team Scythe during the blackout in Mauville City, Carla tries pulling her hood up to disguise herself – and then realises that won’t hide her face completely and she'll be in real trouble if she's recognised. She's forced to use her scarf to hide the lower half of her face. Not an outcome
  • Carla loses weight from the constant travelling. Not surprising
  • Aspiring trainers don't officially need parental permission to become a trainer or obtain a licence. Naturally, some people are unhappy with that and are actively trying to change it. Character reaction, Pokémon trainers are not realistic
  • Since several trainers on the blacklist are teenagers, there are rules in place to protect them. Unfortunately, said trainers are on the blacklist for a reason and aren't willing to come along quietly when hunters come for them. Pokémon trainers are not realistic
  • When a pokémon gets poisoned, the problem can be fixed easily but when a human gets poisoned it's an entirely different matter. Not realistic
  • Trainers have to be able to actually take care of the pokémon on their teams. Tally reluctantly decides to give her Wailmer away, because she knows she won't be able to look after him properly once he evolves. She's very upset by her decision and worries that Boing hates her. Not realistic
  • Similarly, Carla chooses not to capture a Finneon as the species is aquatic and she knows it will be difficult to look after.Not realistic or an outcome
  • If there's a serious incident - such as a rogue team taking hostages at a hotel - the authorities will react as quickly as they can as soon as they hear of it. In fact, Carla and her friends only inflict a small amount of damage on Team Scythe before the teleporters arrive. Aversion of Police Are Useless
  • When Groudon and Kyogre woke up, a national emergency was declared and people were absolutely terrified. When May Maple's involvement became public knowledge, people were outraged that a teenager was the one who stopped the threat and didn't want their own children going through something like that. Not realistic

Edited by Someoneman on May 18th 2022 at 8:41:11 AM

Idiosyncratic CelestaPlebs from Charlottesville, Virginia, USA Since: Aug, 2020 Relationship Status: Abstaining
CelestaPlebs
#1048: May 18th 2022 at 10:03:35 AM

[up]Slash and burn.

I singled out Steven Universe to purge next because it's the only page people have recreated after we cut it. SRO is an extremely potent Pothole Magnet, leading me to think we may have to keep this thread open indefinitely so we can police misuse down the line.


Steven Universe

  • In "Coach Steven", Steven tries to train himself extra-hard so he can get strong faster. The only thing that happens is that Steven is so sore and exhausted the next day that he can barely move. Training from Hell deconstruction shoehorn.
  • In "The Return", the Crystal Gems use all their tools and skills to defend Earth from the Homeworld Gems... and lose spectacularly after all of their attacks are completely No Selled. Going up against a hyper-advanced enemy using technology that's 5,000 years out of date tends not to go well. Space Age Stasis aversion shoehorn.
  • In "Cry For Help", after the truth come out that Pearl has been rebuilding the communication hub after Sardonyx first smashed it, so she'd have an excuse to fuse with Garnet. Garnet was furious because Pearl has been wasting their time on a wild goose chase while Peridot is still out there, trying to contact Homeworld and likely signaling for a full-scale invasion of Earth. Garnet immediately demands an obviously uncomfortable and unwilling Amethyst fuse with her and destroy the communication hub. After coming back to the temple, Garnet is still not speaking to Pearl. Steven and Amethyst watch the end of a Crying Breakfast Friends episode with a similar plot wherein the Pearl-analogue is Easily Forgiven, Steven and Amethyst lament that people don't just immediately makeup as they do on cartoons. Psychology, unqualified.
    Amethyst: "Man, it sure would be nice if things worked out the way they do in cartoons..."
    • True, people don't just immediately makeup like in cartoons. Because personal matters were brought and used by someone so they can feel great about themselves and lie for their own gains. Something Pearl does to Garnet, considering Garnet sees fusing as something personal for her and Pearl lied to her just so she can feel powerful about it. And unsurprisingly, Garnet was furious and didn't talk let alone forgive Pearl after what she's done. Psychology, unqualified.
  • A minor Played for Laughs one in "Adventures in Light Distortion". The Gems dismiss Peridot's Technobabble about the Ruby ship... but it turns out the calibration was pretty important, especially when the ship goes faster than light. Peridot is an expert in Gem tech, after all. Too much Science Fiction to count.
  • Gem bodies, being sturdy Hard Light projections, are fantastically durable and can withstand great punishment. Even half-organic Steven exhibits no small amount of Super-Toughness. Fully-Human bodies, on the other hand, most certainly do not. So in "Off Colors", when the robonoid he's clinging on to explodes and hurls him into a rock face, Lars is killed almost instantly. Thankfully, it turns out that Steven's healing powers can resurrect the recently dead, but it's still a brutal reminder that humans are far out of their league when dealing with Gemkind. Too magical to count.
  • When Steven succeeds in getting back to Earth from Homeworld thanks to Lars' new Pocket Dimension hair creating an Extra-Dimensional Shortcut with Lion's mane, the first thing he does is rush to the kitchen to wolf down water and food. Being stuck on an alien planet for over a day with lifeforms who are The Needless would make anybody extremely hungry and thirsty. The only reason why Lars isn't is because thanks to his resurrection making him a human version of Lion, he seems to no longer require food or drink. Too magical to count.
  • In “Change Your Mind”, when White Diamond pilots the Diamond mecha, it's considerably more unwieldy than when the pieces were operating independently, and all she can do is flail about and hope to hit her targets. No matter how perfect you think you are, piloting a Humongous Mecha designed for 4 pilots all by yourself is hard. Too much Science Fiction to count.

Steven Universe: The Movie

  • Spinel angrily lampshades that Steven can't make everything better by singing, especially since she suffered for thousands of years. Discussed Trope, unqualified.
  • Spinel wins the first fight with the Crystal Gems thanks to catching them off-guard and having a weapon they don't understand. The second fight, when she no longer has it and they're on guard, things go very differently. Curb-Stomp Battle shoehorn.
  • Steven gets the idea to cure the damage caused by the injector by using his healing powers. He kisses the ground, the plants and grass return... and then the camera pans out to show he's only healed one small patch. A little bit of spit will only go so far, after all. Too magical to count.
  • Steven seemingly talks down and redeems Spinel... only for a misunderstanding to trigger another psychotic break. Just because you've talked down someone with a serious mental illness that makes them legitimately dangerous to themselves and others doesn't mean they might not relapse or are instantly no longer dangerous. Psychology, unqualified.
  • Spinel is redeemed and helped through her pain... but is still clearly having issues, especially when it comes to befriending Steven and the Gems. As with Lapis, the amount of suffering and trauma she went through doesn't just disappear instantly. Psychology, unqualified.
  • While the Diamonds have come to accept that Steven is not Pink Diamond, they still want him to stay on Homeworld with them since he's still a living reminder of their lost sister. Psychology, unqualified.
  • Steven's breakthrough with the Diamonds did stick, but since they've been stuck in their dysfunctional ways for so long, change doesn't come easy for them. They have to actively work at being better people and frequently screw up (White makes a Freudian Slip about "lower lifeforms", Yellow makes a subtle insult about the destroyed Beach City's smell, and Blue makes a Suspiciously Specific Denial to cover for their obvious distaste with the city's destroyed state). Psychology, unqualified.

Steven Universe: Future

  • "Little Homeschool":
    • The episode starts with Steven placing the corrupted Cherry Quartz into a bathtub filled with the essence of the four Diamonds. There were multiple Gems, both Homeworld and Crystal Gems, that were corrupted thousands of years ago. The Gems uncorrupted at the end of "Change Your Mind" was only a fraction of that amount. Too magical to count.
      • The bottles of Diamond essence also remind us that the Diamonds can't stay on Earth to heal every last gem, given they still have an empire to run. Hence leaving a portion of their power for Steven to use. Too magical to count.
    • Jasper, while not actively fighting the Crystal Gems anymore, has chosen to isolate herself and train for whatever war comes. While uncorrupted, she is a Quartz soldier that spent her entire life-fighting. It's only after she and Steven spar that they come to a tolerable understanding. Reformed, but Not Tamed shoehorn.
      • It's also realistic that even though the old social order was destroyed, not everyone is going to be happy about that- Jasper still wants to be a soldier, and doesn't want anything to do with the people who put her in that position. Psychology, unqualified.
  • "Rose Buds":
    • Holly Blue Agate is not happy about the changes, as she's lost all the authority she once had. Just because a toxic, malevolent regime has been changed doesn't mean everyone is going to like it, especially those who were previously in positions of power. Psychology, unqualified.
    • The Zoomans have gotten better, but they still have strange mannerisms and ways of seeing things. Just because they're free now doesn't mean that a lifetime of conditioning and living in a completely alien environment won't go away in two years. They also prefer living in the Zoo itself, even though they logically could leave, as it's their home. Psychology, unqualified.
    • As Garnet points out, the Crystal Gems know the Rose Quartzes aren't Rose, and treating them differently for it is wrong, but trauma and negative baggage don't just disappear overnight. Whether they want to or not, Steven, Greg, and the Crystal Gems are extremely uncomfortable around someone who looks so much like the person they had such strong feelings and grief over. Psychology, unqualified.
    • While initially seeming to be perfectly fine with what happens, the Rose Quartzes reveal at the end of the episode that no, they're not fine and their emotions towards Pink Diamond/Rose Quartz are very similar to Steven's. Psychology, unqualified.
  • In "Bluebird" has Steven dealing Aquamarine and Eyeball (along with both of them fusing into Bluebird). Just because Steven is All-Loving Hero and has people who love him, that doesn't mean all people love him. Hundred Percent Adoration Rating aversion shoehorn.
  • "Little Graduation":
    • Lars and Sadie do not end up as a couple. While Lars and Sadie did have gone through a wonderful deal of Character Development, and were reunited at the fifth season's finale. However, after so many years of their up-and-down relationship and time to become new people, they both failed to reconnect and decided they were better off apart but still care about each other. Did Not Get the Girl shoehorn.
    • Just because Steven wasn't around to witness certain events doesn't mean they didn't happen. Nor does it mean that Steven is entitled to know about said events. Sadie point-blank tells him that her and Lars going their separate ways was a private matter. Him being the main character doesn't mean that the lives of others revolve solely around him. Not surprising.
  • In "Together Forever", Steven decides that his new purpose in life is to be Stevonnie with Connie, like Ruby and Sapphire are Garnet. The episode sets up an entire confession for him as he prepares to propose to Connie so that they can be married like Ruby and Sapphire...and Connie's response is, of course, to politely decline with a "not now" as they're too young to get married, and Connie feels a bit uncomfortable at being married just for the purpose of them being Stevonnie, wanting to maintain her individuality while they remain friends; Steven's unstable gem condition doesn't exactly sell the proposal. She still chooses to cherish their friendship, helping to arrange a doctor's appointment for Steven, and gets in touch with Greg to provide emotional support. Not surprising.
    • Not helping is the reason why Steven makes this Grand Romantic Gesture; Connie is preparing to apply for the equivalent Ivy-League level colleges. With his homeschooling and lack of records for college applications, Steven has little to no chance. Greg had even brought up that he can send Steven to college with his royalties back in "Mr. Greg," but Steven blithely pointed out he was going on Gem missions. Not surprising.
  • The episode "Growing Pains" shows that Steven's experiences throughout the series have traumatized him to the point where it has affected his body's ability to properly handle stress. He essentially has PTSD, and his pink mode is a flight or fight response that gets activated when something stresses him out. Also, it turns out all that fighting and murder attempts he's endured over the years have been breaking his bones the whole time, and the only reason he's still alive is because his gem healed him as soon as the injuries occurred. Cartoon physics wasn't what kept Steven alive this whole time. Too magical to count.
    • Steven's unconventional upbringing really comes back to haunt him in this series. While it might seem idyllic to grow up without schooling, it's shown repeatedly how it's hobbled his ability to relate to normal humans. He also doesn't have a social security number and has never been to the doctor, which makes his upbringing seem less idyllic at first and a lot more tragic in a way. Sacrificed Basic Skill for Awesome Training shoehorn.
  • "Homeworld Bound" shows that even after their change for the better, some Gems still distrust the Diamonds for the former tyrannical ways, with a Jasper distrusting Yellow Zircon for supposedly being a "Diamond stooge". Even Steven turns out to have a buried resentment towards White that manifests when she lets him control her body. Psychology, unqualified.
  • "The Future", Steven mentions that he has a therapist now with who he has scheduled to regularly meet with. Severe mental trauma doesn't just disappear. Psychology, unqualified.
  • Jasper's redemption arc in this season ends this way. When Steven accidentally shatters her, she recognizes his strength, and for the first time ever is worried about someone else's wellbeing when Steven in a breakdown mode warps to Homeworld. Following the events of the Future, she wants to go with Steven on his road trip to "protect" him and bond with her Diamond. Normally, Steven would feel great about having had a gem successfully reform. Instead, he politely turns her down, pointing out that they may be friends, but this is a journey he needs to take on his own; Steven promises they'll catch up when he returns, which Jasper accepts with mild disappointment and frustration. Steven was trying to work on her, but considering their history and that she indirectly helped fuel his breakdown, it's healthier for both of them if they have some space. Jasper needs time to work on her toxic mindset about power, and Steven needs to process his guilt about shattering her. Both psychology and too fantastical.

Whoever cutlists and dewicks this page, please put this for your cut reason so we can avoid a triple relapse.
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underCoverSailsman Peeks from Under Rocks from State of Flux Since: Jan, 2021 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Peeks from Under Rocks
#1049: May 18th 2022 at 10:50:30 AM

[up]Agreed, that's bad. Also has grammar and indenting issues. I'm not sure that the custom cut-reason will stick on a second cut, but will give it a try.


On a lighter project note: The Remarried Empress. (Side note: It's beautifully illustrated)

    I'd agree to divorcing these examples 

  • Surprisingly Realistic Outcome: This story is pretty much another deconstruction of the otome genre and how things would really turn out in a feudal society. Overall, the focus on politics practically outweighs the romance. Not a good sign. Politics, in particular, is just large-scale character reactions.
    • On the surface, Rashta is a beautiful and innocent runaway slave girl who captures the heart of the emperor. He divorces his cold wife and makes Rashta the next empress, while she gives him the heir he wanted so much. However, Rashta is an illiterate and short-sighted girl whose status of a former slave has to be hidden from the public knowledge as not to cause a scandal. Since she is of low birth, she has no powerful family to support her and no idea about etiquette or court life, which, combined with the above mentioned problems, makes her an easy target for blackmail and manipulation. Not surprising. Also, not mentioning an outcome.
    • Meanwhile, part of the reason why Navier successfully remarries a ruler of a neighboring country is the fact that she was a very capable empress whose reputation preceded her. While a lot of it is thanks to her own character and hard work, she received proper upbringing and education to do her best job. Why did she receive it? Because was picked as a wife for the crown prince. Why was she picked? Because she comes from a ducal house well associated with the imperial family. Wuh? Plot Happens? Never set up to look like anything different.
    • Also, the novel/manhwa don't end at Navier's divorce and remarriage to Heinly with a Happily Ever After. After they flee the Eastern Empire and come to Western Kingdom, they have to face the fact that they caused an international scandal, since her remarrying Heinly immediately following her divorce strongly implies they had an affair while she was still married to Sovieshu. It also causes a shift in Heinly's invasion plans, which does not endear his officials to him, and he is still a relatively freshly crowned king. Furthermore, Navier has to learn to navigate her way as the queen in a foreign court, while the widow of the former king is still around and pretty popular, which uncomfortably slightly mirrors her situation with Rashta back home. However, despite this, Navier's abilities allow her to eventually integrate herself into the court while Rashta in contrast proves unable to handle the responsibilities. Were we expecting anything else?
    • After becoming empress, Rashta expects to have free reign to do as she wants. However, after some instances of her abusing this power to bully those lower than her, the major incident being claiming she had a maid's imprisoned father executed resulting in said maid attacking her, Sovieshu strips her of many of the powers granted to the empress because she shows she cannot be trusted with said authority and would only further damage the empire's reputation, on top of not being able to handle the other responsibilites expected of her as an empress. Given how easily he pushed Navier to the side, how is this unexpected?
    • While Eastern nobility clearly prefers Navier over Rashta, both due to her aristocratic background and political competences, once Navier is divorced from Sovieshu and leaves the Eastern Empire, they pragmatically don't bother with Undying Loyalty pretenses and flock to Rashta as their new empress, who they also see as easy to manipulate. Only when Rashta proves herself to be inadequate in her new role and starts losing Sovieshu's favor due to her increasingly erratic behavior, the nobles start avoiding her again, especially considering she had already alienated nobility when she was a concubine. Not surprising: Noble Politics Edition.
    • The novel defies the Easily Forgiven trope concerning Sovieshu and Navier. He believed that Navier would understand once he explained everything to her once he secured a heir from Rashta and remarried her, despite never telling her about this plan prior to divorcing her or the event that caused him to resort to such measures. Naturally, by the time he does tell her the former, Navier refuses to forgive him or return to being his empress. After all, he never showed any consideration for her feelings or even any trust when devising said plan, so she has little reason show the same consideration he expected her to have for him. Character reaction. Plus, by the time this rolls around, we (& Navier) have seen enough to make her disdain totally expected.

I don't think any of these are salvageable.

Edited by underCoverSailsman on May 18th 2022 at 1:13:04 PM

Idiosyncratic CelestaPlebs from Charlottesville, Virginia, USA Since: Aug, 2020 Relationship Status: Abstaining
CelestaPlebs
#1050: May 18th 2022 at 11:20:16 AM

Slash and burn.

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