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NOTE: The following thread was proposed by Mad About Love 97. Please give credit to them.


Like other appearance-based tropes that were cut or disambiguated, Bare Your Midriff mostly consists of chairs and ZCEs.

While there are tropes that tie into a bared midriff i.e. the Ms. Fanservice, No Dress Code or Exposed to the Elements, a crop top/half shirt on its own isn't a trope. Most examples aren't referred to in the work of question, leading to several one-handed troping examples.

Summary of Bare Your Midriff Wick Check:

  • A character is wearing a short shirt (35/77)
  • ZCE (36/77)
  • Applies to another trope (6/77)

Wick check:

The problem with Bare Your Midriff is that like other appearance-based tropes that were disambiguated, it attracts a lot of potholes or ZCEs that state "this character's midriff is exposed".

While there are several tropes that tie into an exposed midriff i.e. No Dress Code for when a character wears a crop top/half shirt in a school setting, Exposed to the Elements when a character wears a crop top in cold weather, or Age-Inappropriate Dress if a character is too old or young to wear said crop top, an exposed midriff on its own isn't a trope.

Wicks checked: 77/77

     Just "this character's outfit exposes their midriff" (35/77, 45%) 

    ZCE (36/77, 47%) 

     Applies to another trope (6/77, 8%) 
  • Mean Girls: "Most of her tops show off her belly button. How she gets away with this at school is anyone's guess." This is an example of No Dress Code.
  • Sly Cooper: Allies: ...and what a midriff it is. Especially when made to dress as a belly dancer in Thieves in Time. This sounds more like Bedlah Babe, also one handed troping.
  • The Man Who Sold the World: Huntress's outfit. The Hunter lampshades this, wondering how the hell nobody shot her there and calling it dangerous (and indecent). Sounds more like Chainmail Bikini since he's pointing out armor that doesn't protect her rather than the midriff.
  • Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind: Nausicaä at the end of Book 6 and part of Book 7, thanks to Heedra tearing her shirt off during an attack. This is more applicable to Clothing Damage.
  • Clone High: "Joan of Arc wears a black T-shirt that reveals her midriff. Even in the winter, she still wears outfits that show off her midriff." The later is more applicable to both Exposed to the Elements and No Dress Code.
  • Tropes A to C: Vicky's shirt exposes her bellybutton.
    • Along with Trixie in her Wonder Gal outfit, Veronica in her Wardrobe Malfunction, and few of the female students in Dimmsdale Elementary are like this too, the school itself has rather lousy dress code for allowing ten year olds walk around with their belly buttons revealing.
      • The former is a ZCE while the latter is another example of No Dress Code.

    Bare midriff is used for a reason(?/Total, %) 

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Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 7th 2023 at 2:58:47 PM

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#26: Mar 2nd 2023 at 5:07:33 PM

However, it's already been proven that a lot of people just can't handle fanservice tropes. They apply them to absolutely everything. So can we trust that people won't do that here?

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#27: Mar 2nd 2023 at 5:26:15 PM

Whether they are for fanservice or not, most of the entries just talk about the midriff in the outfit. It's kind of hard to communicate anything else but that. I know it might not be clear to see what's fanservice or not visually but I don't think it always translates well when you are trying to describe tropes like Bare Your Midriff in text. Just saying what the character wears isn't good enough but being overly detailed about their attributes isn't what we want people to do either. Who Wears Short Shorts was supposed to be for fanservice and the description made that clear but everyone was using it for any character with short shorts so decided to disambiguate it.

I don't think clarifying the fanservice would do anything and it's likely that people won't even notice that the description changed.

Edited by MacronNotes on Mar 3rd 2023 at 3:12:53 PM

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#28: Mar 2nd 2023 at 5:28:31 PM

Disambig per what [up] said.

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#29: Mar 2nd 2023 at 5:45:17 PM

[up][up] Agreed. This goes for other tropes as well, not just BYM.

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#30: Mar 2nd 2023 at 5:58:04 PM

[up](x3) In regards to "clarifying the fanservice", just to be 100% sure, are you also discussing the option of renaming it to something that makes it clearer that it's about fanservice (kinda like how the current title to Sexy Surfacing Shot illustrates the fanservice aspect unlike the title to the aforementioned Who Wears Short Shorts)?

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#31: Mar 2nd 2023 at 6:09:19 PM

Yeah I was talking about that too.

Well, Sexy Surfacing Shot is an about scene framing while Bare Your Midriff is about costuming. I don't renaming it to focus on the fanservice aspects would help and people are still going to add characters they find attractive. Most people are aware that BYM is supposed to be a fanservice trope (or at least partly) so I don't think there's any confusion there.

Edited by MacronNotes on Mar 2nd 2023 at 9:10:01 AM

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#32: Mar 2nd 2023 at 6:11:58 PM

[up]Ok and thanks. For the record, I meant to list that as an example of a title that makes it clear that it involves fanservice in some way.

EDIT: Come to think of it, how do you know most people are aware that BYM has to be played for fanservice?

Edited by RandomTroper123 on Mar 2nd 2023 at 10:07:52 AM

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#33: Mar 2nd 2023 at 6:30:05 PM

MacronNotes, I agree with everything you've said. I think it would be the best move to disambig rather than try to tool BYM.

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#34: Mar 2nd 2023 at 9:02:22 PM

If this is a fanservice trope, can we talk about how creepy it is how often this trope gets applied to underaged characters even when it wasn't intended as fanservice?

EDIT: If we're disambiging, I guess it doesn't really matter.

Edited by supernintendo128 on Mar 2nd 2023 at 11:11:24 AM

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#35: Mar 2nd 2023 at 9:29:18 PM

Regardless of what happens to the trope, that discussion is for the Fanservice tropes and underage characters thread, not here.

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#36: Mar 2nd 2023 at 9:37:32 PM

The following is part of a question I have about most Fanservice tropes, but I'm going to stick to a midriff example here for relevance:

We're in agreement that a character wearing a navel-exposing outfit isn't inherently Fanservice, but then you have less clear-cut cases. Take Pokemon's Misty, for example. Her usual outfit leaves her belly button visible, but, while she is a Proud Beauty who draws attention to her own looks at times, the series generally doesn't give attention to her navel specifically. If we did keep the trope and emphasize the fanservice aspect, would characters like her actually count?

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#37: Mar 2nd 2023 at 9:51:58 PM

She's a child who's neither sexualized nor in an Ecchi work. Her case is just a character wearing a crop top that naturally exposes their belly, nothing more, nothing less. There are certain things that work as clues for whether this might be used for fanservice or not (check the genre, if it's a harem it's most likely fanservice regardless of age, etc.) but this won't matter if it gets disambiguated.

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#38: Mar 2nd 2023 at 10:05:09 PM

Also, Misty is a water type trainer from a water type gym with a pool in it. It's not a stretch to say that she's in the short top because it's beach-y. Also, Short Tank.

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#39: Mar 2nd 2023 at 10:10:04 PM

Let me clarify what I trying to get at a little: I was trying to use Misty as an example of a character with an exposed navel who is used for Fanservice, but said Fanservice doesn't give any real focus to their navel over other parts of their appearance or general looks (she is used for Fanservice on occasion, like when she enters the Beauty Contest in "Beauty and the Beach"). Does that kind of character count?

Edited by badtothebaritone on Mar 2nd 2023 at 12:11:56 PM

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#40: Mar 2nd 2023 at 10:11:44 PM

No. If this is a fanservice trope, the fanservice isn't from the character, it's from the outfit specifically.

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#41: Mar 2nd 2023 at 10:12:41 PM

Okay, that's what I was initially thinking. Thanks for clarifying.

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#43: Mar 2nd 2023 at 11:28:04 PM

I know it might be clear to see what's fanservice or not visually but I don't think it always translates well when you are trying to describe tropes like Bare Your Midriff in text.

If I remember right, Shes Got Legs was in a similar situation, and TRS retooled it to Leg Focus and made it so it was necessary that the legs were given some sort of emphasis (like characters commenting on it, or the camera zooming in on them) for it to be a valid example. I feel something similar could work here. It seems like the best way to treat these "body part for fanservice" tropes.

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#44: Mar 3rd 2023 at 12:28:58 AM

^ Fixed the missing "not" in that quote.

Shes Got Legs definition was tightened a decade ago to be about the camera focusing on someone's legs or in-universe attraction based on the legs. It was then renamed to Leg Focus years later to help curb misuse because the redefinition didn't stop that.

As for retooling Bare Your Midriff to be about belly shots and in-universe attraction to a character's midriff, I think it might be better to yard that as the the wick check didn't find any examples of it.

Edited by MacronNotes on Mar 3rd 2023 at 3:31:44 PM

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#45: Mar 3rd 2023 at 12:29:35 AM

[up][up]You're right, before being renamed to Leg Focus, Shes Got Legs had something rather similar; people were often misusing it to discuss long and well-toned legs or (sometimes) leg-revealing outfits in general, regardless if they're played for fanservice or not.

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Edited by RandomTroper123 on Mar 3rd 2023 at 12:30:29 PM

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#46: Mar 3rd 2023 at 5:10:03 AM

I think the following concepts regarding bare midriffs are tropable:

EDIT: Otherwise I agree with turning Bare Your Midriff into a disambig, covering (heh) Tank-Top Tomboy, Bedlah Babe, Exposed to the Elements, No Dress Code, Chainmail Bikini, Seashell Bra, Fur Bikini, Walking Swimsuit Scene and so forth.

Edited by Snicka on Mar 3rd 2023 at 2:36:55 PM

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#47: Mar 3rd 2023 at 5:38:40 AM

As was already stated, new tropes would be a job for TLP/the Salvage Yard and not TRS.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 3rd 2023 at 7:52:12 AM

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#48: Mar 3rd 2023 at 6:39:21 AM

Snicka, I don’t see how Tank-Top Tomboy would tie into this disambig. But the other examples do fit, namely Fur Bikini and Seashell Bra.

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#49: Mar 3rd 2023 at 6:40:45 AM

Tank-Top Tomboy was mentioned on the previous page as one of the potential disambiguated tropes. If a female character wears a tank top (that may or may not be midriff-baring), it indicates she's either an Action Girl, a Tomboy or The Lad Ette; however, if it is midriff-baring, it's often because it's a more feminine variant of the sleeveless tank tops of badass male heroes.

Edited by Snicka on Mar 3rd 2023 at 4:33:20 PM

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#50: Mar 3rd 2023 at 8:24:42 AM

Well, Momoko Asuka wears a belly shirt as a default outfit even if she's 10 years old (and later 11)!

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Trope Repair Shop: Bare Your Midriff
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Bare Your Midriff attracts Zero Context Examples and examples that have no meaning beyond a character wearing a short shirt. What should be done with it? Note that tropeworthy concepts related to midriffs can be taken to the Trope Launch Pad independently of this thread.

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